[03:04] <bluesabre> New xfpanel-switch release coming soon, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xfpanel-switch-dev/xfpanel-switch/trunk/revision/112
[04:53] <ochosi> Unit193: then again it's very likely people will install stuff like Vlc and it would suck if it looked out of place
[04:54] <Unit193> It's possible sure.
[04:55] <ochosi> just sayin, certain apps that are considered 'standard' are qt
[04:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice, didnt have xfpanelswitch on the radar, good job!
[04:55] <Unit193> Well if we feel that strongly about VLC, I'd say s/parole/vlc/ then..
[04:55] <flocculant> ochosi: on the other hand - no-one cared much when I had to sort it out for me :p
[04:56] <Unit193> flocculant: Cared enough to make sure the env var is set, so all one has to do is install a package.
[04:56] <flocculant> Unit193: that was a long wait ;)
[04:56] <ochosi> Unit193: that was not at all my point though
[04:56] <Unit193> Because nobody gets Qt5 and the answer keeps changing, first it was QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE.
[04:57] <Unit193> ochosi: Sure, but nevertheless.  People do all sorts of things, I really don't think that's the answer here.
[04:57] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah sry, got into the cycle a little late...
[04:57] <flocculant> personally I'd think that supplying people with the information for this is sufficient
[04:58] <ochosi> right, but if it's a <1mb package incl depends...
[04:58] <Unit193> Yeah, need to document it well and obviously. :/
[04:58] <flocculant> re knome's comment - would the answer be the same if we were space constrained
[04:58] <Unit193> ochosi: 60+mb
[04:58] <ochosi> we used to get this right in the past
[04:58] <ochosi> oh, ouch
[04:58] <ochosi> i thought it was just a tiny pkg
[04:59] <Unit193> Because it pulls in all of Qt5, which is my point.
[04:59] <ochosi> meh, i guess i should've more carefully read
[04:59] <flocculant> we could easily get into a cycle of we've got plenty of room - why not install the kitchen sink
[04:59] <Unit193> The package is really tiny if you're installing vlc, keepassxc, or something else Qt5 because it's already pulling in the base libs.
[05:00] <ochosi> i guess there is no way to solve this on the packaging side by making it a depend of aomething in xubuntu?
[05:00] <ochosi> or maybe we could make it a depend of some extras package
[05:01] <flocculant> there's a meeting tomorrow - not sure who's going to be around for that
[05:01] <Unit193> xubuntu-qt5?  One would still have to know to install it.
[05:03] <ochosi> hmm
[05:05] <flocculant> we've got our wiki - under our control - this seems like an ideal time to start using it to give users information
[05:06] <flocculant> anyway - in and out for the next 30 mins 
[05:31] <ochosi> maybe even worth including it in the release notes
[05:31] <flocculant> right
[05:32] <ochosi> originally i was thinking something like xubuntu-restricted-extras, but thats not the right place either
[05:32] <ochosi> we could also patch an infobar into the appearance settings dialog to warn the user or give a button to easily install
[05:32] <Unit193> And IIRC that's just a 'symlink' to ubuntu-restricted-extras now.
[05:33] <flocculant> memory's not what it was - but I think I've needed this package for 2 cycles prior to this one
[05:34] <flocculant> so it's not something new
[05:34] <flocculant> ochosi: I like the infobar idea
[05:34] <flocculant> gtg now - back later
[05:35] <Unit193> flocculant: Right, just the info keeps changing. :/
[05:35] <flocculant> mmh
[05:36] <Unit193> Amusingly, since Dropbox bundles libs it still uses QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE. :P
[05:36] <Unit193> And if you export both, things look horrid.
[05:36] <Unit193> ....Well, used to then.  Now: QApplication: invalid style override passed, ignoring it.
[05:38] <ochosi> yeah, but the 'info changing' is exactly what you can hide behind the infobar
[05:38] <ochosi> plus it would only conditionally show up
[05:38] <ochosi> anyway, not sure about it...
[05:39] <Unit193> Biggest concern would be the patch or whatnot getting out of date.
[09:10] <bluesabre> and translations
[09:10] <Unit193> Err...Yeah.
[09:11] <bluesabre> maybe the dep chain could be improved with the base qt libraries
[09:11] <bluesabre> have one of 1) kde, 2) lxqt, 3) razor, 4) qt5-style-plugins
[09:11] <bluesabre> so qt apps don't look like garbage on anybody's machine
[09:12] <Unit193> razor isn't something to consider anymore.
[10:56] <mantissa> Hey guys, just wanted to ask something quick. I'm a 3D artist using Xubuntu every day and wanted to see if I could donate some artwork for the LTS. Am I too late in the cycle for that?
[11:27] <slickymasterWork> mantissa, thanks for your offer
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> knome will be the best member to reply you
[11:29] <slickymasterWork> in case you won't be around when he gets bacl I advise you to mail our mailing list about it
[11:29] <slickymasterWork> the email for that is xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com 
[11:31] <mantissa> Ah perfect, I'll stick around for a bit and if I son;t see him, I'll drop an email. Thanks!
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> sure, he's our artwork lead
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> again thanks for the offer
[11:34] <mantissa> No worries, happy to give back! :)
[13:25] <ochosi> mantissa: what kind of artwork would you like to contribute? if it's about default wallpapers, the community contest's submission period has already ended for 18.04...
[13:29] <mantissa> Ah ok, didn't realize there was a contest for it. That was what I wanted to suggest. If I'm too late that's too bad.