[03:04] New xfpanel-switch release coming soon, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xfpanel-switch-dev/xfpanel-switch/trunk/revision/112 [04:53] Unit193: then again it's very likely people will install stuff like Vlc and it would suck if it looked out of place [04:54] It's possible sure. [04:55] just sayin, certain apps that are considered 'standard' are qt [04:55] bluesabre: nice, didnt have xfpanelswitch on the radar, good job! [04:55] Well if we feel that strongly about VLC, I'd say s/parole/vlc/ then.. [04:55] ochosi: on the other hand - no-one cared much when I had to sort it out for me :p [04:56] flocculant: Cared enough to make sure the env var is set, so all one has to do is install a package. [04:56] Unit193: that was a long wait ;) [04:56] Unit193: that was not at all my point though [04:56] Because nobody gets Qt5 and the answer keeps changing, first it was QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE. [04:57] ochosi: Sure, but nevertheless. People do all sorts of things, I really don't think that's the answer here. [04:57] flocculant: yeah sry, got into the cycle a little late... [04:57] personally I'd think that supplying people with the information for this is sufficient [04:58] right, but if it's a <1mb package incl depends... [04:58] Yeah, need to document it well and obviously. :/ [04:58] re knome's comment - would the answer be the same if we were space constrained [04:58] ochosi: 60+mb [04:58] we used to get this right in the past [04:58] oh, ouch [04:58] i thought it was just a tiny pkg [04:59] Because it pulls in all of Qt5, which is my point. [04:59] meh, i guess i should've more carefully read [04:59] we could easily get into a cycle of we've got plenty of room - why not install the kitchen sink [04:59] The package is really tiny if you're installing vlc, keepassxc, or something else Qt5 because it's already pulling in the base libs. [05:00] i guess there is no way to solve this on the packaging side by making it a depend of aomething in xubuntu? [05:00] or maybe we could make it a depend of some extras package [05:01] there's a meeting tomorrow - not sure who's going to be around for that [05:01] xubuntu-qt5? One would still have to know to install it. [05:03] hmm [05:05] we've got our wiki - under our control - this seems like an ideal time to start using it to give users information [05:06] anyway - in and out for the next 30 mins [05:31] maybe even worth including it in the release notes [05:31] right [05:32] originally i was thinking something like xubuntu-restricted-extras, but thats not the right place either [05:32] we could also patch an infobar into the appearance settings dialog to warn the user or give a button to easily install [05:32] And IIRC that's just a 'symlink' to ubuntu-restricted-extras now. [05:33] memory's not what it was - but I think I've needed this package for 2 cycles prior to this one [05:34] so it's not something new [05:34] ochosi: I like the infobar idea [05:34] gtg now - back later [05:35] flocculant: Right, just the info keeps changing. :/ [05:35] mmh [05:36] Amusingly, since Dropbox bundles libs it still uses QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE. :P [05:36] And if you export both, things look horrid. [05:36] ....Well, used to then. Now: QApplication: invalid style override passed, ignoring it. [05:38] yeah, but the 'info changing' is exactly what you can hide behind the infobar [05:38] plus it would only conditionally show up [05:38] anyway, not sure about it... [05:39] Biggest concern would be the patch or whatnot getting out of date. [09:10] and translations [09:10] Err...Yeah. [09:11] maybe the dep chain could be improved with the base qt libraries [09:11] have one of 1) kde, 2) lxqt, 3) razor, 4) qt5-style-plugins [09:11] so qt apps don't look like garbage on anybody's machine [09:12] razor isn't something to consider anymore. [10:56] Hey guys, just wanted to ask something quick. I'm a 3D artist using Xubuntu every day and wanted to see if I could donate some artwork for the LTS. Am I too late in the cycle for that? [11:27] mantissa, thanks for your offer [11:28] knome will be the best member to reply you [11:29] in case you won't be around when he gets bacl I advise you to mail our mailing list about it [11:29] the email for that is xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [11:31] Ah perfect, I'll stick around for a bit and if I son;t see him, I'll drop an email. Thanks! [11:32] sure, he's our artwork lead [11:32] again thanks for the offer [11:34] No worries, happy to give back! :) [13:25] mantissa: what kind of artwork would you like to contribute? if it's about default wallpapers, the community contest's submission period has already ended for 18.04... [13:29] Ah ok, didn't realize there was a contest for it. That was what I wanted to suggest. If I'm too late that's too bad.