[01:35]  * thumper needs another coffee
[02:41] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: around?
[02:42] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/loggo/pull/30
[02:45] <anastasiamac> thumper: lgtm'ed
[02:45] <thumper> anastasiamac: thanks
[02:51] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: hey, give me 5?
[02:52] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sure
[02:58] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: ok, ready!
[02:59] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok, in 1:1
[02:59] <babbageclunk> ?
[03:45]  * thumper sighs
[09:08] <manadart> jam: Can we have a quick chat when you've the time?
[09:16] <jam> manadart: sure
[09:30] <jam> manadart: standup room or 1:1?
[09:31] <manadart> jam: Hading to standup.
[09:33] <jam> manadart: doorbell just rang, brt
[09:34]  * manadart nods.
[12:30] <manadart> How do we get tests to emit the trace-level logging?
[12:42] <jam> easy review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8538
[12:50] <manadart> jam: Approved it.
[15:04] <mup> Bug #1654136 opened: Removing relationship didn't remove subordinate unit <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654136>
[15:13] <mup> Bug #1654136 changed: Removing relationship didn't remove subordinate unit <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654136>
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1654136 opened: Removing relationship didn't remove subordinate unit <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654136>
[20:23] <externalreality> I would like to know what causes the config changed hook to fire for charm config
[20:23] <externalreality> There are functions which return notifyWatchers but they done seem to be called anywhere
[20:24] <externalreality> However, if I have an ubuntu charm, for example, and I change the the hostname in the charm config, then the hook fires
[20:25] <externalreality> I see that ubuntu.py in reactive on the charm has a @when(config.changed.ubuntu)
[20:25] <externalreality> I am trying to find out why this works "automatically" for charm config but not application config
[22:04] <thumper> externalreality: hey
[22:04] <thumper> externalreality: the hook firing will be based on a charm config watcher
[22:04] <thumper> which in turn will be driven by a document watcher
[22:04] <thumper> on the apiserver
[22:05] <mup> Bug #1654136 changed: Removing relationship didn't remove subordinate unit <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654136>
[22:05] <thumper> there are two ways to fix it
[22:05] <thumper> either add a separate appliation config watcher for the uniter
[22:05] <thumper> or have two watchers, one charm config and one appliation config, driving the config watcher on the apiserver
[22:27] <externalreality> thumper, gracias jefe!