 Ones which worked before? Are they just giving html instead of playlists now?
 @dohbee, Yeah. I have no idea what they're giving now.
 That's all I see
 Open the URL in a browser? Or wget it
 @dohbee, How do I get the URL?
 @dohbee, I'm just using the shoutcast app UT
 I don't know then
 @dohbee, [Edit] I'm just using the shoutcast app on UT
 @AmolithSeregion, What app is that?
 Hi. Is there a way to copy the wi-fi configurations saved in my PC directly into the phone?
 [Edit] Hi. Is there a way to copy the wi-fi configurations saved in my PC (with Ubuntu) directly into the phone?
[07:29] <ubptgbot> dom134 was added by: dom134
 @dom134, Hi Dom, to learn about UBports, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Thanks, I have a Meizu pro 5 and looking to try Ubuntu again!
 That sounds perfect!
 If it ran UT before you should not have any problem
[09:48] <ubptgbot> K31j0 was added by: K31j0
 Hi
 Noticed a typo in Nexus 5 page
 how/where do I suggest edits?
 @K31j0, Hi, what Nexus 5 page exactly?
 https://ubports.com/devices/nexus5-convergence section  Convergence with your Nexus 5, there's incg instead of inch
 The site is maintaned by https://ubports.com/foundation/ubports-foundation/foundation-boardmembers … @Dalton could help, probably, but I think he's sleeping now
 okay
 is the mention correct? when I click it, some channel appears
 I don't understand your question
 [Edit] Sorry, I don't understand your question
 Is @Dalton correct
 I think it is not the thing you wanted to link
 That's a ping for Dalton, to let him know
 [Edit] The site is maintaned by https://ubports.com/foundation/ubports-foundation/foundation-boardmembers … @UniversalSuperBox could help, probably, but I think he's sleeping now
 I'm getting some weird channel with arab script when I click on it
 Maybe his nickname is other
 Oh, I know what you mean now. My bad. Fixed it
 Okay, I'll inform him through PM so when he wakes up he'll know
 Perfect. Also I should stop doing too many things at the same time 😅
 Humans aren't perfect at multitasking :P
 😂
 @AmolithSeregion, I just installed the app and tried it. Works perfectly. I wonder if there is pushback from them over the use of an 'unauthorised' app?
 @K31j0, you can just open an issue here https://github.com/ubports/ubports.com/issues
 i think
 Already forwarded to @UniversalSuperBox, he said he'll forward it to approprieate people
 k, then LD
 :D
 ubports git repo is here https://github.com/ubports
 there should be all ubports related stuff
 @popescu_sorin Hi gentleman , I would need to ask you in name of ubports writers if you could help us with one app review blog, can I pm you pls?
 @malditobastardo, shoutcast-ubports is the name I think
 @milkor73, sure, but i don't have much free time for anything right now :(
 i'll try to find some time to record a silly video with the new apps in the open store
 maybe next week :/
 @K31j0, Marketing and writers group is able to fix website typos and such and thanks for letting us know. You can just do what you did here and pm myself, Dalton, Joe, etc... And we will fix usually when we have desktop accessibility
 @garrogarri, Yes-ish
 They should be in `/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/` iirc. Need to copy there as root
 Okay
 Does halium work with AOSP or is it cyanogenmod/Lineage-focused?  … I happen to have Xperia Z2 lying around
 But Android development for it is as dead as my will to use that platform
 Had sailfish brought up by me, but Cyanogenmod's kernel is crap and I need to base on AOSP, need to rebuild Sailfish on AOSP6 and also wanted to poke around with Halium
[13:17] <ubptgbot> Yash was added by: Yash
 @Yash, Welcome, Yash! Take a look here to get you started! … https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @K31j0, You probably want @halium for such questions. I think you could theoretically base on any kernel/vendor tree, but lineage is a "known working" state to start from
 @K31j0, the approach would work with AOSP (tested with Gemini), but you would need to port patches yourself
 @dohbee, There's only CM12.1 working for Z2 and it's known not to be able to bring up bluetooth and couple other things like sensors
 hmm
 @dohbee, Thanks
 Anybody have an opinion on the Cloud Act that was recently passed in the United States?
 politicians are ignorant of IT no matter where you look?
 they just want your data/encryption keys
 and if they can't get them when they need them they'll jail you to break you
 like in US or UK
 that's why I'm nevver going there
 Okay here in Spain they try, but they are stuck on internet explorer 7 and windows XP
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> I live in US, I use an ad blocker and have nothing to hide so I don't really care as long as I can go to website I enjoy and use the service like this one that I choose to
 That "nothing to hide" worldview is what is causing that madness
 saying "I have nothing to hide" is like walking around the city naked, would you do it? I wouldn't.
[16:03] <ubptgbot> Chrillepille was added by: Chrillepille
 @FreeGarlicBread, Please, for non UBports topics use the OT group https://t.me/ubports_ot
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, Thank you sir, for being part of the problem.
 @Chrillepille, Hi Chrille, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
[16:10] <rbasak> https://robindoherty.com/2016/01/06/nothing-to-hide.html
[16:11] <rbasak> https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2015/responding-to-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear
[16:11] <rbasak> We all benefit, even if indirectly, from people having privacy.
[16:12] <rbasak> Even if you don't care, you still receive and value the benefits - for example you gain from others whistleblowing, investigative journalism, polictical activity, etc.
 Hi all ))
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/7xHDz4zl.webp
[16:29] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @K31j0, I wouldn't cause I'd be arrested, part of the problem is people that are not comfortable with having their info out there without their permission, most of it already is anyways, whether you like it or not, in the US I can walk into any town, find a phone book, get that persons number, address, and then use t
[16:29] <ubptgbot> hat info to find out how long they've been there, where they lived before, and I could prob even get their personal info with enough digging and patience.  Anyways, getting OT with this, what's new with ubports?
 no
 @dohbee, yes
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, Do you mind me watching you while you're in your home?
 stop spamming the supergroup with off topic nonsense please
 @dohbee, and also, to all people, stop spamming the openstore with useless webapps ^_^ … everyone is capable of using webappcreator
 @Pgcor, i don't know what this means but i must disagree
 @dohbee, I don't want to say that ALL webapps are useless, I use many of them, but... honestly, when I see some webapps, I've the impression that noone needs it, except the author. … From my point of view, if someone is not sure of the utility, or possible large diffusion of a webapp, it' useless to publish it. And if ever someo
[17:07] <ubptgbot> ne will need it, it only takes to open webapp-creator
 @Pgcor, Well you don't get to make that judgement. Suggesting people should all create their own webapps, except for the special ones you want, is a bit rude. Anyone can create any app they want and upload it to the store.
[17:13] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @FreeGarlicBread, Go for it, you'll get pretty bored though
 @Pgcor, The funniest things are webapps marked as apps in the OpenStore
 Exhibit A: Duolingo
 @K31j0, When I make a webapp (I've only done my favourite news sites), I make sure to put webapp in the title of the app so people don't download it thinking it's a normal app and it not be
 @K31j0, as opposed to?
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, Don't encourage the off topic conversation further, please. If you want to engage, go to @ubports_ot as was already asked
 @K31j0, [Edit] When I make a webapp (I've only done my favourite news sites), I make sure to put "WebApp"in the title of the app so people don't download it thinking it's a normal app and it not be
 @dohbee, native apps?
 @K31j0, they are still both "apps" though
 whether or not they are native
 heck, people call electron apps "native" when they absolutely aren't
 I really need to find a better name for that then~
 screw electron, it's only eating resources
 electron is the worst issue I have with discord
 usually things eat resources when they are running, yes
 >fires up discord … >load average jumps from below 1 to 2 or 3 instantly
 or whatever it's called, generally it hogs on my cpu god knows why
[18:21] <Xeha> cause its shit
 @Xeha, don't be disrespectful/rude
 I know, but pulling people away to better comms such as matrix is hard
 judging a protocol/application isn't disrespectful
 If it's a binary blob
 and it's of bad performance
 the only resort is to call it shit and walk away from it
[18:23] <Xeha> usually, those tools are written by people who shouldnt name themself "developer"
[18:23] <Xeha> "copy paste developer" is suiting ;)
 Xeha: that's right
 @K31j0, judging is one thing. calling it "shit" is another
[18:23] <Xeha> people just dont care enough if something is bad, aslong as it works half.
[18:23] <Xeha> shit is a judgement
 insulting people whom you have absolutely no knowledge of, as a scapegoat for your dislike of a product, is rude and disrespectful
[18:24] <Xeha> a wild SJW appeared
[18:24]  * Xeha ducks
 The IRC channel and this Telegram group are meant to adhere to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. If you cannot do that, then I suggest you leave
[18:27] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @dohbee, I do apologize, I'll stop feeding the OT
 @dohbee, I don't want only webapps I use in the OpenStore; example: I don't use ebay, amazon, yahoo, paypal, librapay, but obviously a webapp for these is a thing a lot of people need and will use. … But, to make another example (examples make always it better), publishing a webapp to a small Italy's town's news site (I'm italia
[18:52] <ubptgbot> n, I use express this example to not offend anyone - my compatriots will comprend), unknown in Europe and perhaps also in Italy, I find this pretty useless, also considering the small amount of ubports users.
 @Pgcor, Well, the three people in that town might not find it useless. There are millions of apps published for Android, Linux, Windows, and everything else that I find absolutely useless. But I don't go blaming the people who make app stores for people making useless/redundant apps.
[18:59] <ubptgbot> Mark Mullins was added by: Mark Mullins
[19:00] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Do yall have support for xperia
 I don't think any xperia devices are supported yet, no
[19:01] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Crud
 @Mark Mullins, Check out the page here: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch … There are our core devices but there are more on the way as well as some in the testing phase
 @Mark Mullins, [Edit] Check out the page here: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch … These are our core devices but there are more on the way as well as some in the testing phase
 @Mark Mullins, [Edit] Check out the page here: https://ubports.com/devices/ready-to-use-devices … These are our core devices but there are more on the way as well as some in the testing phase
 it might be plausible to create a port for an xperia device though, if you have the time/skills to do so
 Thinking about Z2
 Xperia L is receiving some Halium attention apparently
 but as I said, base choices are slim
[19:07] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> I've got the xa1 ultra
 iirc, there was supposedly a canonical port to the z5, but it was never released and i guess all the work on it is lost now :-/
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Hmmm
 Iiiiiif only somebody got me or other guy from the team any of the kitakami platform I'd be happy
 >~>
 Z5 is my favorite Xperia
 and I never had one xD
[19:09] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Xa1 ultra suxks
 @dohbee https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/44 What's this doing there then?
 wait
 not booting
 @Mark Mullins, Is it MTK?
 @K31j0, no idea, but pretty sure it's unrelated to whatever work canonical did when they had the one at MWC
[19:12] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Yes mtk
 Then there's probably no LOS/CM
 MTK Xperias never received the well-deserved appreciation, they're the only good MTK devices IMO
 at least you get kernel source there >~>
 probably no published kernel/vendor trees
[19:13] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> I was able to load twrp and root and it still sucks
[19:13] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Nope
 Every released Xperia has kernel sources
 that's the Open Devices worldview for you
[19:13] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Not this one
 but MTK ones don't have AOSP maintained
 what SoC?
 just stock sources
 IIRC
 at least E4 had
 don't know about the newer ones
 Mark it's Helio P20
[19:15] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Mtk mt6757 1.64 GHz octa-core
 Gemini is mt6797T
 might be somewhat similar in terms of porting
[19:16] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> I'm trading this for a nexus 5 Ubuntu is better than Android
 By the way, how's anbox coming along here? In Sailfish mal is wizarding around it and he's close to some alpha >~>
[19:17] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Idk
 @K31j0, It's working on some devices runing 16.04 but I don't know which ones off the top of my head
 @K31j0, [Edit] It's working on some devices running 16.04 but I don't know which ones off the top of my head
 Dunno, IIRC it worked funny, mounted a generic android container or something like that and ran everything from here
 pro5 and bq m10
 basically there's some issue on qcom socs
 @K31j0, well ubuntu is already running android in a container, so it's a little more weird than normal here
 @K31j0, The top priority is getting to a stable 16.04. That is necessary to building a stable Anbox anyway
 weird^weird
 At least Halium makes it possible to provide one unified rootfs
 well, the rootfs is unified already, really. halium is just meant to make the android container part easier to maintain and build for new devices, as i understand
 and makes it easier for other linux platforms to build on top of
 Well Sailfish is mess when it comes to that, every device has device-specific images
 halium doesn't change the need for that
[19:32] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> What would be the best mobile device for Ubuntu
 @Mark Mullins, That depends on what you want it for
[19:33] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> I'm just looking for a decent stable device
 Each device is different and has different capabilities and feautures that currently work
 nexus 5 is decent
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Does it support mhl
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> I would like to use convergence
 https://ubports.com/ready-to-use-devices has the most stable devices. The N5 is the only phone with convergence and that's what I have. It uses Slimport instead of MHL
[19:35] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Cool
 One of the tablets also has convergence I THINK?
 right it's slimport
 and "convergence" is not the right term here
 nexus 4 and nexus 5 both support external display via slimport
 That depends on how you define convergence
 bq m10 has external display via hdmi
[19:36] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Cool
 pro 5 has external display via miracast
 @dohbee, and FP2 i think
 @AmolithSeregion, well your'e apparently defining it as "windowed mode on an external display"
 @DanChapman, well, most phones should be able to do miracast i guess, save for maybe the e4.5/e5
[19:37] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Does it support USB otg
 well, there are limited drivers built into the kernel, and limited power delivered over usb, but yes you can use OTG just fine
 but you can't use OTG and slimport display simultaneously
 @dohbee, I mean in SFOS whole OS is supplied, here rootfs is separate from hardware-specific part
[19:38] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Cool. Just wondering how does Ubuntu use nfc
 @dohbee, From what I understand, that's what convergence is with regards to UT. I know Purism uses convergence and just means a uniform look and feel cross-device
 @Mark Mullins, it doesn't
[19:38] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Oh
 @AmolithSeregion, it is not
 @dohbee, So what is it?
 @AmolithSeregion, it means a lot more than just being able to display windowed mode on an external screen from a phone. it means responsive design in apps, apps that work with touch and kb/mouse inputs (or possibly other inputs as well), running the same apps and unity8 on phones and high end PCs, and basically the end goal was
[19:40] <ubptgbot>  always "be able to use the same things everywhere"
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Just wondering is anyone here currently using Ubuntu as daily driver on pc or otherwise
 @dohbee, Like with iOS and macOS? I've never used them so I don't know how similar they are
 @Mark Mullins, i've basically only used ubuntu for like the last 10 years
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Oh cool
 @AmolithSeregion, no, like with unity8 and unity8 :)
 @Mark Mullins, On my phone yes. On my laptop, I'm an Arch user. I used Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based distros for a few months
[19:42] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> I'm currently running deepin os
 granted, things took a not so great turn a year ago
 My main box is running Gentoo now, I'm a masochist of some sort
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Hmm cool
 i'm working on building something to replace it though
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Cool
 @dohbee, Replace what?
 @AmolithSeregion, traditional linux distributions, on my systems at least
 hopefully others will want to use it too
 @dohbee, I don't know what you mean. You're building something to replace traditional Linux distros?
 @AmolithSeregion, yes
 in my extremely rare free time
 @Mark Mullins, On PC? Almost everyone here
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> Cool
[20:57] <ubptgbot> Dragon2710 was added by: Dragon2710
 Is it possible to web develop on Ubuntu touch?
 Like using localhost to setup your own website on it?
 @Zack, Yes
 @Zack, Hell yes
 @Zack, https://askubuntu.com/a/623311/50737
 can also use libertine instead, which makes some bits easier. i need to update the answer for that
 @Mark Mullins, pretty much... everyone? :)
 Not necesarily. I'm more of a Debian user.
 I think it's safe to say that 85% (I just chose that number out of my fancy hat) of people in this group of 1400+ want the devices to converge.  Unity8 has re-started and we're back on track.  Some people will say they aren't using ubuntu but.. yeah.  We know how that conversation is going to go ;)
 it's whatever to me.  If you don't want it to converge I'm not going to reject you.
 Like a great philosopher once said...
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Ttd6vsOy.mp4
 I like you Gorsh.  Even though I hate your OS. Hate.  despise.
 (truth is i never tried it)
 Once you get down that red spiral, you never look back (?
 but my 85% number above is true because the internet just told you
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/RyObXXrk.mp4
 that's the 'at' sign at the start of @wayneoutthere
 @Gorsh2, How is Debian? I've never tried it but I think I need to sometime soon
 @Gorsh2, How is Debian? I think I need to try it sometime soon. Reply in OT if you don't mind
 https://t.me/ubports_ot
[22:00] <ubptgbot> haoyun was added by: haoyun
 Hi Dragon & Yun Hao, welcome. Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @abhishek_0, Oh man that's awesome 😮 is there any guide or something, website to see how to set it up?
 @dohbee, Thanks for your answer Rodney!
 Is there a place to learn how to use the ogra thing in the web app creator?
 Which part @AmolithSeregion
 Like how to do more advanced stuff?
 @mateosalta, Like what you did with the NC webapp. (that was you right?) … I'd like to make one for Diaspora and Mastodon
 Yeah it was you
 Because it's ridiculous to have one separate app for every Mastodon instance and every diaspora* pod lol.
 Oh, like two link buttons on the circle menu
 Or part of a custom address?
 Are they kind of setup like Tumblr, where every page is like mypage.tumblr.com
 [Edit] Are they kind of setup like Tumblr, where every page is like "mypage.tumblr.com"
 [Edit] Are they kind of setup like Tumblr, where every page is like mypage tumblr com
 I'll link you the source for nextcloud, if the address follows a consistant rule, you can pre add that bit and just have them fill in the name
 No they're all different. UBports has a Mastodon on mastodon.rocks and I have one on mastodon.participate.digital lol. And with diaspora, I have an account on diasp.org but there are many other. I don't even know what the ogra thing is, I just know that's what you used for NC, right?
 *partecipa.digital
 So ogra is the users nick name who started the alternate webapp container, he took the source from the old webapp container and combined it with the circle menu.
 I've been maintaining and adding features, recently Brian came in and added download, as well as helping with the custom menu on nextcloud
 @mateosalta, Oliver Grawert. Excellent engineer.
 https://github.com/mateosalta/nextcloud_ogra
 His name is on a lot of the UT porting stuffs too.
 And the blog post that started it:
 https://www.google.com/amp/s/ograblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/22/an-alternate-approach-to-ubuntu-phone-web-app-containers/amp/
 It makes for adding extra qml, to blend app/webapp nice
 I don't even know what I'm looking at 😅 … I assume you didn't use Webapp Creator then?
 I help put the alternate container into webapp creator 😉
 So, if your sites work with the nextcloud webapp, try the address quick, you could just rebrand
 Change the icons, color in the .desktop, https://github.com/mateosalta/nextcloud_ogra/blob/master/nextcloud.desktop
 @mateosalta, It works wonderfully. Where would I change the text that says to provide the URL forecourt your personal NC?
 I'i'll look around and see if I can find it myself; thank you so much!
 Then main.qml is the spot to change the app name, as well as manifest so you can re upload https://github.com/mateosalta/nextcloud_ogra/blob/master/manifest.json
 settingscomponent towards the end of main.qml
 The radial menu links are in that file as well
[23:40] <ubptgbot> Chris Minetti was added by: Chris Minetti
 @Chris Minetti, Welcome, Chris! Check out this link to get you started! … ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @mateosalta, [Edit] It works wonderfully. Where would I change the text that says to provide the URL for your personal NC?
[23:52] <ubptgbot> shezuker was added by: shezuker