[01:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfpanel-switch/1.0.6-0ubuntu1 :) [01:39] \o/ [01:40] That's enough productivity for tonight [01:40] nighty all [01:42] ..I did Debian-side things. :3 [01:43] :) [01:43] I saw, exciting :) [01:44] (Not really, but OK!) [01:44] I might try to push sn-plug through pkg-ayatana team instead, bluesabre. [01:47] nice [03:52] bluesabre: just so you're aware - on my lets have all the ppa's install xfpanel-switch refuses to let me cancel or save - just checked on updated iso - that is ok :) [04:04] but bug 1759117 [04:04] bug 1759117 in xfpanel-switch (Ubuntu) "Wording of saved panel layout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759117 [06:08] bluesabre: nice! [09:54] Anyone with xfce4-panel 4.13? Can you try xfce4-timer-plugin (as from Debian's vcs)? [11:46] ugh, i did literally one small string change in the contest code and now wordpress refuses to load any of the contest admin pages. [11:46] well not one but a few changes - to strings only [11:46] Crap, forgot to vote again. [11:46] you'll still have time [11:46] as soon as i get this working [11:50] ....OH [11:53] welcome to go vote [12:19] flocculant, did you know you have voted all except one submission? (if this is intentional, then dismiss) [12:19] akxwi-dave, dkessel, pleia2, ochosi, slickymaster: you have voting to do! [12:28] bbl... [13:30] knome: I have to vote on alllll of them? >_< [13:30] I don't have opinions on many! [15:10] yeah, i also didn't vote on some where i'm undecided [15:11] Unit193: i use 4.13 on a daily basis. if you point me to the source i can try to build and test [16:44] knome: aah yes - couldn't see a difference between it and the one that looks the same ;) [16:48] knome: re meeting - might be a tad late - dad taxi ... [16:48] pleia2: I only voted on them all because I did it piece meal ;) [16:48] - the one I didn't vote on :p [16:49] hah, yeah, I went in twice to vote, that was enough for me ;P [16:49] :) [16:50] there was a lot ... [16:58] evening all [16:58] hi willem [16:59] still testing/using xubuntu 18.04. At start up just now, I got an error, which produced an [16:59] wrapper-2.0 assert failure: free(): invalid pointer. [16:59] I reported this to launchpad, but the issue is marked private [16:59] ok - let it got through the process then [17:00] and only direct subscribers will see the report. And I am the only direct subscriber [17:00] yea = only you and bug team people will be able to see it [17:01] ah, so some other *will* be notified? [17:01] yep [17:02] right, even though no names are shown in the "other bug subscribers"? [17:02] yep [17:02] [17:02] :) [17:03] thanks, as allways [17:03] np [17:03] always? [17:03] there's a meeting tonight btw [17:04] always :) [17:05] would it be helpful if I were to attend? [17:05] up to you - see what goes on - and they are community meetings - that usually only the team go to lol [17:07] bbl [17:07] would it be okay for me to just "listen in", and be a fly-on-the-wall-but-as-silent-as-a-dead-battery sort of attendee? [17:07] yea of course :) [17:08] what time? [17:08] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Community+Meeting&iso=20180327T20&p1=%3A&ah=1 [17:10] here? [17:10] yup [17:10] right - off for a bit now [17:10] sure. thanks [18:12] pleia2, ochosi: well we can allow "0" votes... for the next time [18:12] but for now, in order to keep the voting and chances to win the same for everyone, please vote something [18:13] if you don't have an opinion, i'd probably vote down then [18:13] we don't want the "wallpapers that generate the least amount of ugly" to win, but the ones that give most people the "wow, this is nice" effect [18:14] k [18:14] willem, other bug subscribers essentially means "everybody else who has explicitly subscribed to this bug that aren't normally via their memberships" [18:15] pleia2, thanks and sorry, i know it can be a daunting task if done at once [18:15] there are 162 submissions fwiw [18:15] you only have about 128 clicks to do (: [18:16] ochosi, you're very close, just go click a few buttons :P [18:18] knome, thanks. That's goood to know. I wasn't aware of that. [18:18] to be exact, re: 0 voting, i want everybody to vote on every submission anyway... even if it had the same effect with not voting [18:19] that's because i want to make sure the "not voted" aren't just things you missed or votes that aren't registered for technical reasons [18:20] and practically, a few of the top submissions haven't got as many votes as others [18:20] so they could fall out of the mix [18:20] and others could rise to the mix if even with a positive sum of 1 [18:29] then surely they aren't top submissions ;) [18:57] top meaning the ones that might get included... :P [19:08] still sounds wrong - hopefully it'd Finnglish ;) [19:09] maybe i'm just a bad explainer :P [19:09] :) [19:19] maybe we should do a revised post about the window resizing.. [19:19] !team | meeting in 40ish [19:19] meeting in 40ish: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [19:19] knome: isn't the detail the same? [19:19] there's a lot of gtk2 [19:20] and we don't talk about greybird-a11y [19:20] which is... WIP, but maybe this could get people help us with it [19:21] I'll be on a train during meeting, but nothing really from me anyway [19:21] oki [19:21] have fun [19:21] :) [19:22] well - asking people might work - it's worked for Ubuntu and their Community Theme thingy [19:22] yep [19:22] and tbh just brainstorming ideas could help with that thing [19:22] could... [19:23] yea [19:23] it's so long since i even thought about that thing that i don't remember where we are [19:23] no good asking me :p [19:23] i don't stop a question there :P [19:23] stop? [19:23] eh [19:23] spot [19:24] only because perhaps you have to have a ? at the end :p [19:24] nah [19:24] :P [19:45] sry guys, still on my way, will probably be late.. :/ [19:45] no problemo [19:57] obviously I'm not dad taxi as previously expected [19:57] :D [19:57] dad bus? [19:58] nah - she's using friend taxi :p [20:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [20:00] Meeting started Tue Mar 27 20:00:23 2018 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:00] who's here for the meeting? [20:00] (we encourage you to make some noise now even if you are just lurking) [20:01] lurking [20:01] hello willem :) [20:01] yup [20:01] (and while we do that...) [20:01] #topic Open action items [20:01] none carried on [20:02] #topic Updates and Announcements [20:02] #subtopic Wallpaper contest results (knome) [20:02] this is still work on progress, i've pinged people who need to do some more voting; results will be published as soon as we're ready [20:02] #subtopic Dbus timeout bug (flocculant) [20:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1754836 [20:03] Launchpad bug 1754836 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu: ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on org.bluez:/org/bluez: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:03] right [20:03] this sounds like a nasty one [20:03] so this is mostly about the fact we've 4 weeks left - and what we do if there's not change here [20:04] not as bad as it sounds [20:04] effectively (afaik) rubbish boot time to live session [20:04] yes [20:04] rubbish first boot time after install [20:05] assuming no bluetooth available [20:05] obviously it's not good - but it could be worse [20:05] have we heard any more from daniel from the bug than that single comment? [20:06] oh right - well he's wrong anyway :p [20:06] and did ali1234 end up with something that can lead to a fix? [20:06] will cooke is aware of the issue (ubuntu have a 25s delay - amongst other issues) [20:06] right... that sounds good (and i don't mean to sound snarky) [20:06] jibel is aware and looking at it amongst other things [20:06] i never found anything beyond what i wrote on the bug [20:07] ali1234, ok [20:07] oh yea [20:07] checked over the weekend - mate are affected - flexiondotorg was notified [20:07] yep [20:08] maybe this can get more leverage from there as well [20:08] mmh [20:08] anything else on this or shall we just keep an eye on it for now? [20:08] well [20:09] we need to at least have some idea of what we're going to do - I'd guess bluesabre will check logs later [20:09] the only workaround for this i can come up with is drop the bluez stuff (if even that helps) and that's a bit meh too for those who *do* have bluetooth [20:09] but nothing we can actively do now [20:09] especially if they are bt-only [20:09] i mean for input [20:10] I think I'd rather release note the problem for non-bt than leave bt floundering [20:10] yes [20:10] well [20:10] #info in case a fix or a good workaround isn't found, add a mention about this in the release notes [20:10] actually I'd pretty much refuse to release without bt even if it's a bit meh [20:11] yes, i don't think that's a very realistic option, just a fix for the bug... :P [20:11] yup [20:11] :) [20:11] shall we move on? [20:12] yea [20:12] #subtopic Numlockx on laptops (flocculant) [20:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1759112 [20:12] Launchpad bug 1759112 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Disable numlockx on laptops" [Undecided,New] [20:12] heh [20:12] i know... :P [20:13] so... what's the issue numlock being on with laptops? [20:13] so - at the weekend Sean and I discussed this a bit - some input from krytarik too - needs script to include laptop-detect [20:14] again - was just a put it on the table thing given just you and I atm :) [20:14] sure, but i'd like to know why it's a problem [20:15] and also, this sounds like a relatively easy one... [20:15] to fix, that is [20:15] if it is indeed an issue [20:15] currently - numlockx is on - which is fine on desktop - perhaps not so fine on a laptop - turn it off - reboot - turn it off [20:16] i understand, but why isn't it fine on laptop? [20:16] we 'could' do this with information on wiki or something too [20:16] knome: I just brought compaints to Sean's attention [20:16] or complaint [20:16] our blog is a bit more accessible than the wiki i think, so an article there would be good [20:18] anyway - up to dev's I suppose which they do [20:18] yep [20:18] i just dug through the links pasted here [20:18] good job krytarik, i'm sure that's a great solution (: [20:18] :D [20:18] moving on then [20:19] #subtopic Freezes [20:19] #info Documentation String Freeze: March 29 (two days!) [20:19] #info Final Beta Freeze: April 2 (for final beta on April 5) [20:20] #info (non-language-pack) Translation Freeze: April 12 [20:20] likely to be April 3rd [20:20] ahha [20:20] well anyway, there that is [20:20] yup [20:20] so for the docstringfreeze, we need to get the slideshow in order [20:20] 2nd is official date [20:20] i'll try to fix up that tomorrow [20:20] oh yea - that's sparse ... [20:21] anything else for the announcements? [20:21] but I see the damn thing too many times during a cycle to do more than shudder at it regardless [20:21] not for announcements [20:21] ok, moving on then :) [20:21] #topic Discussion [20:22] since there are no agenda items on the wiki, any other discussions? [20:22] * flocculant has something [20:22] floor is yours [20:22] (obviously...) [20:22] #subtopic - Result of Dev/QA recent blogpost [20:22] you aren't a chair [20:22] #subtopic - Result of Dev/QA recent blogpost [20:22] there we go [20:23] so iirc we did this just before the first Beta [20:23] march 4 [20:23] we got increased coverage from NEW people on the tracker then [20:23] so hopefully - we'll see similar next week [20:24] maybe we could repost on social media to remind people of this [20:24] and also we got someone come by to start running 18.04 as daily and check things and report stuff [20:24] good good :) [20:25] so Willem - thanks for that - logged forever in the Xubuntu meeting archive [20:25] :) [20:25] yes, thank you willem :) [20:25] it's very much appreciated [20:25] good to see new people - always adds new perspectives [20:25] ok - nothing else from me [20:25] you're welcome :-) [20:25] not from me either [20:26] knome: yea - we can certainly be loud over the weekend I think [20:26] I'll start on m/l - then ping for twitter/g+ [20:26] #action knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordiate some social media publicity for final beta testing [20:26] ACTION: knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordiate some social media publicity for final beta testing [20:26] coordinate too, but who cares [20:26] :) [20:26] i guess i do... [20:26] #undo [20:26] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [20:26] ha ha [20:26] #action knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordinate some social media publicity for final beta testing [20:26] ACTION: knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordinate some social media publicity for final beta testing [20:27] #nick pleia2 [20:27] #topic Schedule next meeting [20:27] next up is our fantastic artwork lead and council member ochosi [20:27] #action ochosi to schedule next meeting [20:27] ACTION: ochosi to schedule next meeting [20:27] #nick ochosi [20:27] any final words for the archive? [20:27] that'll be the Cantankerous Cicada first meeting then ... [20:27] :D [20:28] unless we get up in speed and have it within a week or 1,5 [20:28] :) [20:28] might be useful that [20:28] I think needed [20:28] yep [20:28] always useful before a release [20:28] if ochosi forgets I'll call one [20:28] I'll likely be the one getting itchy for it :p [20:28] yes, let's try to do this probably very early next week [20:29] anyway... [20:29] #endmeeting [20:29] Meeting ended Tue Mar 27 20:29:13 2018 UTC. [20:29] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-03-27-20.00.moin.txt [20:29] knome: re wallpaper [20:29] how long do we wait for voting? [20:29] we only need to match final freeze, so we can still run it for a week if needed [20:29] ie - what freezes do we have to care about there? or not? [20:30] ok cool [20:30] but sooner the better [20:30] yup [20:30] we still need to double-check on the licenses [20:30] yea [20:30] night all [20:30] sending out the emails doesn't take a lot of time, getting replies might [20:30] nighty willem :) [20:30] willem: night :) [20:31] yea [20:36] and minutes are already uo [20:36] up too [20:36] sigh.. [20:36] good chap :) [20:36] i've just replaced the keyboard, next up are new fingers [20:36] oh that - I hate that time :D [20:37] I can touch type - because cheap kbd has lost letters from keys :p [20:37] hah [20:37] this wasn't cheap but has been worth the price [20:37] anyway - I've been awake since 3:30am unfortunately - so I shall bid you good night ;) [20:38] nighty flocculant :) [20:38] and i'm off to do other things as well [20:38] o/ [20:38] updating thunar icons :p [21:11] Hello, I've found a rather annoying bug in the xubuntu-meta of Xubuntu 18.04 Bionic: [21:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1759390 [21:11] Launchpad bug 1759390 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "numlockx shouldn't be installed by default: it's wrongly activating the hidden numeric keypad on my netbook" [Undecided,New] [21:13] micahg, Unit193, ochosi, Noskcaj (or any other dev): can this still be fixed in time for Bionic? [21:14] Sure, we're already on it, and that's a duplicate too. [21:39] Casually late. [21:48] meh [21:48] took considerably longer to get home [21:52] hi ochosi [21:53] hey bluesabre [21:53] just finished reading the meeting minutes [21:53] or backlog in fact [21:54] will head to take the final votes now [21:54] awesome [21:55] i can also do another greybird release for 18.04 [21:56] i think the xfwm4 theme may take a bit longer to get finalized [21:56] too many icons to draw... [21:56] so i can also release just with the CSD hidpi fixes that are in master now [21:56] it's still a valuable release [21:57] hmm, where did the vote button in the sidebar go... [21:59] ochosi: Contests > Hover the contest you want > Vote [21:59] ochosi: greybird release would be dandy [22:02] yeah, the contests is missing [22:02] from here https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/ [22:02] k, i'll tag a release tonight [22:06] ochosi: Basically it's the release tarball+packaging, I presume you wouldn't build the package? [22:13] Unit193: i'd rather not [22:13] i can build from git though [22:13] if that helps [22:14] Tarball/git sure, just add it and see if you get properties in the right click option. [22:16] just git master? [22:17] Sure, doubt anything more than translations are new there. [22:18] knome: voted on all [22:25] Unit193: seems to work ok [22:25] or did you want anything specifically tested.? [22:26] Just that you can right click the tray icon and see properties (and open the config.) [22:26] yeah [22:26] done that [22:26] ochosi: Thanks. Corsac has .13 libxfce4panel but .12 panel, and we're thinking that since it affects indicator-plugin too. [22:26] configured a timer, ran it, received the alarm [22:27] \o/ [22:27] so that was xfce4-panel from git master with timer from git master [22:28] the whole dialog could be much improved from the UI point of view... [22:28] but it's working and looking very much like gtk2 [22:35] xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin 0.4.0-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac) [22:58] bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.22.8 [23:00] ochosi: much appreciated [23:02] no worries [23:02] thanks for handling all the uploads [23:03] do you need another icon thme release too? [23:03] i think there was the wm icons patch [23:03] or does it not matter that much because those get pulled directly into xubuntu-artwork anyway [23:04] Yes, thanks bluesabre for handling all the theme/artwork uploads, not my favorite. :3 [23:07] ochosi: doesn't matter as much since it's pulled into xubuntu-artwork [23:07] yup, perfect then [23:43] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme/3.22.8-0ubuntu1