[01:37] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfpanel-switch/1.0.6-0ubuntu1 :)
[01:39] <Unit193> \o/
[01:40] <bluesabre> That's enough productivity for tonight
[01:40] <bluesabre> nighty all
[01:42] <Unit193> ..I did Debian-side things. :3
[01:43] <bluesabre> :)
[01:43] <bluesabre> I saw, exciting :)
[01:44] <Unit193> (Not really, but OK!)
[01:44] <Unit193> I might try to push sn-plug through pkg-ayatana team instead, bluesabre.
[01:47] <bluesabre> nice
[03:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: just so you're aware - on my lets have all the ppa's install xfpanel-switch refuses to let me cancel or save - just checked on updated iso - that is ok :)
[04:04] <flocculant> but bug 1759117 
[06:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice!
[09:54] <Unit193> Anyone with xfce4-panel 4.13?  Can you try xfce4-timer-plugin (as from Debian's vcs)?
[11:46] <knome> ugh, i did literally one small string change in the contest code and now wordpress refuses to load any of the contest admin pages.
[11:46] <knome> well not one but a few changes - to strings only
[11:46] <Unit193> Crap, forgot to vote again.
[11:46] <knome> you'll still have time
[11:46] <knome> as soon as i get this working
[11:50] <knome> ....OH
[11:53] <knome> welcome to go vote
[12:19] <knome> flocculant, did you know you have voted all except one submission? (if this is intentional, then dismiss)
[12:19] <knome> akxwi-dave, dkessel, pleia2, ochosi, slickymaster: you have voting to do!
[12:28] <knome> bbl...
[13:30] <pleia2> knome: I have to vote on alllll of them? >_<
[13:30] <pleia2> I don't have opinions on many!
[15:10] <ochosi> yeah, i also didn't vote on some where i'm undecided
[15:11] <ochosi> Unit193: i use 4.13 on a daily basis. if you point me to the source i can try to build and test
[16:44] <flocculant> knome: aah yes - couldn't see a difference between it and the one that looks the same ;)
[16:48] <flocculant> knome: re meeting - might be a tad late - dad taxi ...
[16:48] <flocculant> pleia2: I only voted on them all because I did it piece meal ;)
[16:48] <flocculant> - the one I didn't vote on :p
[16:49] <pleia2> hah, yeah, I went in twice to vote, that was enough for me ;P
[16:49] <flocculant> :)
[16:50] <flocculant> there was a lot ...
[16:58] <willem> evening all
[16:58] <flocculant> hi willem 
[16:59] <willem> still testing/using xubuntu 18.04. At start up just now, I got an error, which produced an 
[16:59] <willem> wrapper-2.0 assert failure: free(): invalid pointer.
[16:59] <willem> I reported this to launchpad, but the issue is marked private
[16:59] <flocculant> ok - let it got through the process then
[17:00] <willem> and only direct subscribers will see the report. And I am the only direct subscriber
[17:00] <flocculant> yea = only you and bug team people will be able to see it
[17:01] <willem> ah, so some other *will* be notified?
[17:01] <flocculant> yep
[17:02] <willem> right, even though no names are shown in the "other bug subscribers"?
[17:02] <flocculant> yep
[17:02] <willem> <confused but content>
[17:02] <flocculant> :)
[17:03] <willem> thanks, as allways
[17:03] <flocculant> np
[17:03] <willem> always?
[17:03] <flocculant> there's a meeting tonight btw
[17:04] <flocculant> always :)
[17:05] <willem> would it be helpful if I were to attend?
[17:05] <flocculant> up to you - see what goes on - and they are community meetings - that usually only the team go to lol
[17:07] <flocculant> bbl
[17:07] <willem> would it be okay for me to just "listen in", and be a fly-on-the-wall-but-as-silent-as-a-dead-battery sort of attendee?
[17:07] <flocculant> yea of course :)
[17:08] <willem> what time?
[17:08] <flocculant> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Xubuntu+Community+Meeting&iso=20180327T20&p1=%3A&ah=1
[17:10] <willem> here?
[17:10] <flocculant> yup
[17:10] <flocculant> right - off for a bit now
[17:10] <willem> sure. thanks
[18:12] <knome> pleia2, ochosi: well we can allow "0" votes... for the next time
[18:12] <knome> but for now, in order to keep the voting and chances to win the same for everyone, please vote something
[18:13] <knome> if you don't have an opinion, i'd probably vote down then
[18:13] <knome> we don't want the "wallpapers that generate the least amount of ugly" to win, but the ones that give most people the "wow, this is nice" effect
[18:14] <pleia2> k
[18:14] <knome> willem, other bug subscribers essentially means "everybody else who has explicitly subscribed to this bug that aren't normally via their memberships"
[18:15] <knome> pleia2, thanks and sorry, i know it can be a daunting task if done at once
[18:15] <knome> there are 162 submissions fwiw
[18:15] <knome> you only have about 128 clicks to do (:
[18:16] <knome> ochosi, you're very close, just go click a few buttons :P
[18:18] <willem> knome, thanks. That's goood to know. I wasn't aware of that.
[18:18] <knome> to be exact, re: 0 voting, i want everybody to vote on every submission anyway... even if it had the same effect with not voting
[18:19] <knome> that's because i want to make sure the "not voted" aren't just things you missed or votes that aren't registered for technical reasons
[18:20] <knome> and practically, a few of the top submissions haven't got as many votes as others
[18:20] <knome> so they could fall out of the mix
[18:20] <knome> and others could rise to the mix if even with a positive sum of 1
[18:29] <flocculant> then surely they aren't top submissions ;)
[18:57] <knome> top meaning the ones that might get included... :P
[19:08] <flocculant> still sounds wrong - hopefully it'd Finnglish ;)
[19:09] <knome> maybe i'm just a bad explainer :P
[19:09] <flocculant> :)
[19:19] <knome> maybe we should do a revised post about the window resizing..
[19:19] <knome> !team | meeting in 40ish
[19:19] <flocculant> knome: isn't the detail the same?
[19:19] <knome> there's a lot of gtk2
[19:20] <knome> and we don't talk about greybird-a11y
[19:20] <knome> which is... WIP, but maybe this could get people help us with it
[19:21] <pleia2> I'll be on a train during meeting, but nothing really from me anyway
[19:21] <knome> oki
[19:21] <knome> have fun
[19:21] <knome> :)
[19:22] <flocculant> well - asking people might work - it's worked for Ubuntu and their Community Theme thingy
[19:22] <knome> yep
[19:22] <knome> and tbh just brainstorming ideas could help with that thing
[19:22] <knome> could...
[19:23] <flocculant> yea
[19:23] <knome> it's so long since i even thought about that thing that i don't remember where we are
[19:23] <flocculant> no good asking me :p
[19:23] <knome> i don't stop a question there :P
[19:23] <knome> stop?
[19:23] <knome> eh
[19:23] <knome> spot
[19:24] <flocculant> only because perhaps you have to have a ? at the end :p
[19:24] <knome> nah
[19:24] <knome> :P
[19:45] <ochosi> sry guys, still on my way, will probably be late.. :/
[19:45] <knome> no problemo
[19:57] <flocculant> obviously I'm not dad taxi as previously expected
[19:57] <knome> :D
[19:57] <knome> dad bus?
[19:58] <flocculant> nah - she's using friend taxi :p
[20:00] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[20:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 27 20:00:23 2018 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[20:00] <knome> who's here for the meeting?
[20:00] <knome> (we encourage you to make some noise now even if you are just lurking)
[20:01] <willem> lurking
[20:01] <knome> hello willem :)
[20:01] <flocculant> yup 
[20:01] <knome> (and while we do that...)
[20:01] <knome> #topic Open action items
[20:01] <knome> none carried on
[20:02] <knome> #topic Updates and Announcements
[20:02] <knome> #subtopic Wallpaper contest results (knome)
[20:02] <knome> this is still work on progress, i've pinged people who need to do some more voting; results will be published as soon as we're ready
[20:02] <knome> #subtopic Dbus timeout bug (flocculant) 
[20:03] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1754836
[20:03] <flocculant> right 
[20:03] <knome> this sounds like a nasty one
[20:03] <flocculant> so this is mostly about the fact we've 4 weeks left - and what we do if there's not change here
[20:04] <flocculant> not as bad as it sounds 
[20:04] <flocculant> effectively (afaik) rubbish boot time to live session
[20:04] <knome> yes
[20:04] <flocculant> rubbish first boot time after install
[20:05] <flocculant> assuming no bluetooth available
[20:05] <flocculant> obviously it's not good - but it could be worse
[20:05] <knome> have we heard any more from daniel from the bug than that single comment?
[20:06] <flocculant> oh right - well he's wrong anyway :p
[20:06] <knome> and did ali1234 end up with something that can lead to a fix?
[20:06] <flocculant> will cooke is aware of the issue (ubuntu have a 25s delay - amongst other issues)
[20:06] <knome> right... that sounds good (and i don't mean to sound snarky)
[20:06] <flocculant> jibel is aware and looking at it amongst other things
[20:06] <ali1234> i never found anything beyond what i wrote on the bug
[20:07] <knome> ali1234, ok
[20:07] <flocculant> oh yea
[20:07] <flocculant> checked over the weekend - mate are affected - flexiondotorg was notified
[20:07] <knome> yep
[20:08] <knome> maybe this can get more leverage from there as well
[20:08] <flocculant> mmh
[20:08] <knome> anything else on this or shall we just keep an eye on it for now?
[20:08] <flocculant> well
[20:09] <flocculant> we need to at least have some idea of what we're going to do - I'd guess bluesabre will check logs later 
[20:09] <knome> the only workaround for this i can come up with is drop the bluez stuff (if even that helps) and that's a bit meh too for those who *do* have bluetooth
[20:09] <flocculant> but nothing we can actively do now
[20:09] <knome> especially if they are bt-only
[20:09] <knome> i mean for input
[20:10] <flocculant> I think I'd rather release note the problem for non-bt than leave bt floundering
[20:10] <knome> yes
[20:10] <flocculant> well
[20:10] <knome> #info in case a fix or a good workaround isn't found, add a mention about this in the release notes
[20:10] <flocculant> actually I'd pretty much refuse to release without bt even if it's a bit meh
[20:11] <knome> yes, i don't think that's a very realistic option, just a fix for the bug... :P
[20:11] <flocculant> yup
[20:11] <flocculant> :)
[20:11] <knome> shall we move on?
[20:12] <flocculant> yea
[20:12] <knome> #subtopic Numlockx on laptops (flocculant)
[20:12] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1759112
[20:12] <flocculant> heh
[20:12] <knome> i know... :P
[20:13] <knome> so... what's the issue numlock being on with laptops?
[20:13] <flocculant> so - at the weekend Sean and I discussed this a bit - some input from krytarik too - needs script to include laptop-detect 
[20:14] <flocculant> again - was just a put it on the table thing given just you and I atm :)
[20:14] <knome> sure, but i'd like to know why it's a problem
[20:15] <knome> and also, this sounds like a relatively easy one...
[20:15] <knome> to fix, that is
[20:15] <knome> if it is indeed an issue
[20:15] <flocculant> currently - numlockx is on - which is fine on desktop - perhaps not so fine on a laptop - turn it off - reboot - turn it off
[20:16] <knome> i understand, but why isn't it fine on laptop?
[20:16] <flocculant> we 'could' do this with information on wiki or something too
[20:16] <flocculant> knome: I just brought compaints to Sean's attention
[20:16] <flocculant> or complaint
[20:16] <knome> our blog is a bit more accessible than the wiki i think, so an article there would be good
[20:18] <flocculant> anyway - up to dev's I suppose which they do
[20:18] <knome> yep
[20:18] <knome> i just dug through the links pasted here
[20:18] <knome> good job krytarik, i'm sure that's a great solution (:
[20:18] <krytarik> :D
[20:18] <knome> moving on then
[20:19] <knome> #subtopic Freezes
[20:19] <knome> #info Documentation String Freeze: March 29 (two days!)
[20:19] <knome> #info Final Beta Freeze: April 2 (for final beta on April 5)
[20:20] <knome> #info (non-language-pack) Translation Freeze: April 12
[20:20] <flocculant> likely to be April 3rd 
[20:20] <knome> ahha
[20:20] <knome> well anyway, there that is
[20:20] <flocculant> yup
[20:20] <knome> so for the docstringfreeze, we need to get the slideshow in order
[20:20] <flocculant> 2nd is official date 
[20:20] <knome> i'll try to fix up that tomorrow
[20:20] <flocculant> oh yea - that's sparse ...
[20:21] <knome> anything else for the announcements?
[20:21] <flocculant> but I see the damn thing too many times during a cycle to do more than shudder at it regardless
[20:21] <flocculant> not for announcements
[20:21] <knome> ok, moving on then :)
[20:21] <knome> #topic Discussion
[20:22] <knome> since there are no agenda items on the wiki, any other discussions?
[20:22]  * flocculant has something 
[20:22] <knome> floor is yours
[20:22] <knome> (obviously...)
[20:22] <flocculant> #subtopic - Result of Dev/QA recent blogpost
[20:22] <knome> you aren't a chair
[20:22] <knome> #subtopic - Result of Dev/QA recent blogpost
[20:22] <knome> there we go
[20:23] <flocculant> so iirc we did this just before the first Beta
[20:23] <knome> march 4
[20:23] <flocculant> we got increased coverage from NEW people on the tracker then
[20:23] <flocculant> so hopefully - we'll see similar next week
[20:24] <knome> maybe we could repost on social media to remind people of this
[20:24] <flocculant> and also we got someone come by to start running 18.04 as daily and check things and report stuff
[20:24] <knome> good good :)
[20:25] <flocculant> so Willem - thanks for that - logged forever in the Xubuntu meeting archive
[20:25] <flocculant> :)
[20:25] <knome> yes, thank you willem :)
[20:25] <knome> it's very much appreciated
[20:25] <flocculant> good to see new people - always adds new perspectives
[20:25] <flocculant> ok - nothing else from me
[20:25] <willem> you're welcome :-)
[20:25] <knome> not from me either
[20:26] <flocculant> knome: yea - we can certainly be loud over the weekend I think
[20:26] <flocculant> I'll start on m/l - then ping for twitter/g+
[20:26] <knome> #action knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordiate some social media publicity for final beta testing
[20:26] <meetingology> ACTION: knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordiate some social media publicity for final beta testing
[20:26] <knome> coordinate too, but who cares
[20:26] <flocculant> :)
[20:26] <knome> i guess i do...
[20:26] <knome> #undo
[20:26] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:26] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:26] <knome> #action knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordinate some social media publicity for final beta testing
[20:26] <meetingology> ACTION: knome, pleia2 and flocculant to coordinate some social media publicity for final beta testing
[20:27] <knome> #nick pleia2 
[20:27] <knome> #topic Schedule next meeting
[20:27] <knome> next up is our fantastic artwork lead and council member ochosi 
[20:27] <knome> #action ochosi to schedule next meeting
[20:27] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to schedule next meeting
[20:27] <knome> #nick ochosi
[20:27] <knome> any final words for the archive?
[20:27] <flocculant> that'll be the Cantankerous Cicada first meeting then ...
[20:27] <flocculant> :D
[20:28] <knome> unless we get up in speed and have it within a week or 1,5
[20:28] <flocculant> :)
[20:28] <knome> might be useful that
[20:28] <flocculant> I think needed 
[20:28] <knome> yep
[20:28] <knome> always useful before a release
[20:28] <flocculant> if ochosi forgets I'll call one 
[20:28] <flocculant> I'll likely be the one getting itchy for it :p
[20:28] <knome> yes, let's try to do this probably very early next week
[20:29] <knome> anyway...
[20:29] <knome> #endmeeting
[20:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 27 20:29:13 2018 UTC.  
[20:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-03-27-20.00.moin.txt
[20:29] <flocculant> knome: re wallpaper 
[20:29] <flocculant> how long do we wait for voting?
[20:29] <knome> we only need to match final freeze, so we can still run it for a week if needed
[20:29] <flocculant> ie - what freezes do we have to care about there? or not?
[20:30] <flocculant> ok cool
[20:30] <knome> but sooner the better
[20:30] <flocculant> yup
[20:30] <knome> we still need to double-check on the licenses
[20:30] <flocculant> yea
[20:30] <willem> night all
[20:30] <knome> sending out the emails doesn't take a lot of time, getting replies might
[20:30] <knome> nighty willem :)
[20:30] <flocculant> willem: night :)
[20:31] <flocculant> yea
[20:36] <knome> and minutes are already uo
[20:36] <knome> up too
[20:36] <knome> sigh..
[20:36] <flocculant> good chap :)
[20:36] <knome> i've just replaced the keyboard, next up are new fingers
[20:36] <flocculant> oh that - I hate that time :D
[20:37] <flocculant> I can touch type - because cheap kbd has lost letters from keys :p
[20:37] <knome> hah
[20:37] <knome> this wasn't cheap but has been worth the price
[20:37] <flocculant> anyway - I've been awake since 3:30am unfortunately - so I shall bid you good night ;)
[20:38] <knome> nighty flocculant :)
[20:38] <knome> and i'm off to do other things as well
[20:38] <knome> o/
[20:38] <flocculant> updating thunar icons :p
[21:11] <pjotr> Hello, I've found a rather annoying bug in the xubuntu-meta of Xubuntu 18.04 Bionic:
[21:11] <pjotr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1759390
[21:13] <pjotr> micahg, Unit193, ochosi, Noskcaj (or any other dev): can this still be fixed in time for Bionic?
[21:14] <krytarik> Sure, we're already on it, and that's a duplicate too.
[21:39] <bluesabre> Casually late.
[21:48] <ochosi> meh
[21:48] <ochosi> took considerably longer to get home
[21:52] <bluesabre> hi ochosi 
[21:53] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[21:53] <ochosi> just finished reading the meeting minutes
[21:53] <ochosi> or backlog in fact
[21:54] <ochosi> will head to take the final votes now
[21:54] <bluesabre> awesome
[21:55] <ochosi> i can also do another greybird release for 18.04
[21:56] <ochosi> i think the xfwm4 theme may take a bit longer to get finalized
[21:56] <ochosi> too many icons to draw...
[21:56] <ochosi> so i can also release just with the CSD hidpi fixes that are in master now
[21:56] <ochosi> it's still a valuable release
[21:57] <ochosi> hmm, where did the vote button in the sidebar go...
[21:59] <bluesabre> ochosi: Contests > Hover the contest you want > Vote
[21:59] <bluesabre> ochosi: greybird release would be dandy
[22:02] <ochosi> yeah, the contests is missing
[22:02] <ochosi> from here https://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/
[22:02] <ochosi> k, i'll tag a release tonight
[22:06] <Unit193> ochosi: Basically it's the release tarball+packaging, I presume you wouldn't build the package?
[22:13] <ochosi> Unit193: i'd rather not
[22:13] <ochosi> i can build from git though
[22:13] <ochosi> if that helps
[22:14] <Unit193> Tarball/git sure, just add it and see if you get properties in the right click option.
[22:16] <ochosi> just git master?
[22:17] <Unit193> Sure, doubt anything more than translations are new there.
[22:18] <ochosi> knome: voted on all
[22:25] <ochosi> Unit193: seems to work ok
[22:25] <ochosi> or did you want anything specifically tested.?
[22:26] <Unit193> Just that you can right click the tray icon and see properties (and open the config.)
[22:26] <ochosi> yeah
[22:26] <ochosi> done that
[22:26] <Unit193> ochosi: Thanks.  Corsac has .13 libxfce4panel but .12 panel, and we're thinking that since it affects indicator-plugin too.
[22:26] <ochosi> configured a timer, ran it, received the alarm
[22:27] <Unit193> \o/
[22:27] <ochosi> so that was xfce4-panel from git master with timer from git master
[22:28] <ochosi> the whole dialog could be much improved from the UI point of view...
[22:28] <ochosi> but it's working and looking very much like gtk2
[22:35] <Unit193> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin 0.4.0-1 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[22:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.22.8
[23:00] <bluesabre> ochosi: much appreciated
[23:02] <ochosi> no worries
[23:02] <ochosi> thanks for handling all the uploads
[23:03] <ochosi> do you need another icon thme release too?
[23:03] <ochosi> i think there was the wm icons patch
[23:03] <ochosi> or does it not matter that much because those get pulled directly into xubuntu-artwork anyway
[23:04] <Unit193> Yes, thanks bluesabre for handling all the theme/artwork uploads, not my favorite. :3
[23:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: doesn't matter as much since it's pulled into xubuntu-artwork
[23:07] <ochosi> yup, perfect then
[23:43] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greybird-gtk-theme/3.22.8-0ubuntu1