[05:14] I gotta say, I'm a *big* fan of the way Mutter “application not responding” dialogs sitting on the top of a background window eat all mouse clicks for the foreground application. [05:22] is that wayland or X? [05:22] X === maclin1 is now known as maclin [06:18] RAOF: Sounds like the foreground window has reverted to being a non-reactive actor. So clicks pass through it. We've fixed one similar bug already and have others unresolved [06:19] duflu: Entirely possible. [06:30] good morning [06:30] Salut didrocks [06:31] salut jibel ! [06:32] Morning didrocks, jibel [06:32] didrocks, I'm reviewing jbicha's branch Ubiquity, then I think we can do a release that include the new page and the telemetry stuff [06:32] branch of* [06:32] Afternoon duflu [06:32] Correct [06:39] hey duflu [06:39] jibel: excellent! is the FFe approved? [06:40] good morning desktoppers [06:41] hey duflu, jibel, didrocks [06:41] salut oSoMoN [06:41] Hi oSoMoN [06:42] seems not, but the release team hasn't been suscribed it seems [06:43] Bonjour oSoMoN [06:47] jibel: added info and paperwork on bug #1755456 [06:47] bug 1755456 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[ffe] Optional recording/sending of installer&system details to help improving Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755456 [06:50] didrocks, thanks [06:54] didrocks, this bug needs more documentation according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_upstream_versions === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:14] Ah crap. Instead of profiling my memory diff I had a look at the memory total for gnome-shell. And 70% of it is from PulseAudio (!?) [07:16] Until you use gnome-shell for a bit. Then the graphics memory usage becomes the bigger issue [07:17] jibel: seb128 filed it, I think it's how he was doing when it's not a new upstream (as another upstream than us) version, let's see with him [07:43] jbicha, done [07:51] koza, got the meeting notification 1 hour early... regardless, are we meeting? [08:00] duflu, koza - anything to talk Bluetooth today? Do we need to meet? [08:00] also morning [08:00] duflu, oh, another change of time [08:00] morning willcooke [08:00] willcooke: we could skip [08:00] willcooke: only thing i have is that the bloody speaker has arrived :) [08:01] and has some issues [08:01] koza, you think it's that speaker? [08:01] noidea yet [08:01] kk [08:01] I dont have anything [08:01] lets skip then [08:01] * willcooke gets on with the slide show [08:02] And good morning willcooke, koza [08:03] yo [08:03] hey hey Laney [08:04] sup Laney [08:04] allo allo [08:10] good morning desktopers [08:10] hi seb128 === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|denti [08:10] hey seb128 [08:10] willcooke, duflu, koza, sorry got delayed ... did you do the bluetooth meeting? is it over? anything interesting? [08:10] hey willcooke didrocks [08:11] seb128, skipped it [08:11] good, I don't think there is much bluetooth changes/work ongoing atm [08:11] Although it should be 50 minutes from now in theory [08:11] we are pretty much settled for bionic === pstolowski|denti is now known as pstolowski|bbl [08:11] DST fun right? [08:14] oSoMoN, https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/532294 [08:14] oSoMoN, Am I reading that right - did they merge it at last? [08:17] good morning seb128 [08:17] I think the status is still merge conflict [08:18] willcooke, not quite, they didn't merge it yet [08:18] willcooke, it's an updated patch set, but what's really interesting is that it comes from a google engineer [08:18] whereas the original patch was by someone from intel [08:18] so it looks like google is showing some interest at last [08:18] Hurrah [08:19] willcooke, worlds collide: bug 1759497 [08:19] bug 1759497 in PulseAudio "80% (512MB) of gnome-shell's memory mappings at start up are due to PulseAudio" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759497 [08:19] lut oSoMoN [08:20] duflu, that seems excessive indeed [08:21] duflu, whaaa?!?! odd [08:22] It could just be address space and not real memory [08:22] But still, lots of address space [08:23] Could this be related to us running pulse under GDM as well for a11y? Oh, no hold on, I think I've got that backwards, we *don't* start PA & BlueZ in GDM. [08:25] no, that's part of the gnome-shell user process mapping [08:25] if I understand correctly [08:25] willcooke, gnome-shell uses libcanberra for sound(?) which uses pulseaudio [08:25] It's an upstream thing, hardcoded in there [08:27] On a related note, what is goa-daemon and why does it use 96GB of address space? [08:29] welcome to webkit [08:29] it's the daemon handling online accounts [08:31] duflu, webkitgtk upstream said that when we were discussing the webkit/ulimit issue impacting deja-dup [08:31] seb128: Just address space [08:31] It's not actually just a spectre mitigation, it's also a general security feature [08:31] Looks like it's allocating 144 GiB of address space. If I've done my division right. [08:32] getting faster as this now: https://imgur.com/a/BXgpf [08:33] That's wacky, but potentially safe if there's no real memory needed behind most of it [08:34] right [08:35] Even Chrome only needs 1.2GB [08:35] per process :P [09:13] My DSL is broken. Oddly at 5pm two days in a row [09:13] Did I miss anything? === duflu_ is now known as duflu [09:17] duflu, nothing === pstolowski|bbl is now known as pstolowski [10:22] duflu, should bug #1748450 be marked as invalid for gnome-shell since that's an xwayland issue? [10:22] bug 1748450 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler(message="Connection to xwayland lost") from g_logv() from g_log() from " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748450 [10:23] seb128, no. Xwayland and gnome-shell are co-dependent so when one crashes the other does too. It's not always easy to tell who crashed first [10:23] that's what the apport fix will help with [10:23] oh ok, I though that it was clear from the error that gnome-shell was hitting the sigtrap because it losts the connection to xwayland [10:24] which meant xwayland went away first [10:25] seb128, but with built-in crash handling you could bounce between each more than once. So it's not obvious who crashed first, or how many times [10:25] Perhaps Xwayland dies because gnome-shell was in the process of dying already [10:25] k, I see [10:25] let's see if we get better reports now that the apport changes landed then [10:26] well, if gnome-shell was already down, would it still sigtrap due to xwayland going away? [10:26] anyway let's hope we get better reports that tell us more [10:26] seb128, yes a process can crash multiple times in its lifetime if it caught its own the first time [10:27] I think we might need to check and remove any self-crash handling [10:27] It's always a dumb idea to have such things [10:27] right [10:27] Xorg is the bigger offender [10:28] And then there's the other big problem of X errors being delayed and you never know where they originated [10:32] duflu, you can obviously force xorg errors to be synchronous, but that doesnt work in a apport world etc [10:32] darkxst, yeah. A good system is one that is always-on in production [10:36] Although I don't think the origin of any X errors should matter in this case. We should always expect X errors, and we should be able to survive them [10:38] * duflu runs away [10:38] duflu, just to be clear this is the greeter (gdm) session crashing? [10:43] he left, and I think we don't know, it's bug #1748450 [10:43] bug 1748450 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler(message="Connection to xwayland lost") from g_logv() from g_log() from " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748450 [11:08] GunnarHj, hey [11:08] Hi seb128 [11:08] GunnarHj, I rechanged e-d-s/did an upload, that worked, .po are being imported [11:08] GunnarHj, see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/evolution-data-server/+imports [11:09] GunnarHj, also "make template.update-pot" is not a strandard target in the inltool world afaik [11:09] seb128: Nice. Hope that the upstream link does not get re-enabled again.. [11:10] yeah, I don't know why/how that happened [11:10] are you sure your changed worked? like launchpad didn't timeout or something? [11:11] seb128: That has nothing to do with intltool. It's the command used when intltool is not made use of. [11:11] GunnarHj, sorry that I didn't comment on bug #1751820 earlier, I was on vac some days and things have been crazy here otherwise, I'm doing that now [11:11] bug 1751820 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) "Teach dh_translations how to deal with meson" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751820 [11:11] GunnarHj, I'm not sure I understand the question then [11:12] GunnarHj, what I meant is [11:12] LC_ALL=C make -C eog-3.18.2/po eog.pot-update [11:12] make: Entering directory '/tmp/eog-3.18.2/po' [11:12] make: *** No rule to make target 'eog.pot-update'. Stop. [11:13] $ LC_ALL=C make -C eog-3.18.2/po eog.pot [11:13] make: Entering directory '/tmp/eog-3.18.2/po' [11:13] INTLTOOL_EXTRACT="/usr/bin/intltool-extract" XGETTEXT="/usr/bin/xgettext" srcdir=. /usr/bin/intltool-update --gettext-package eog --pot [11:13] seb128, yeh that is gdm again [11:13] GunnarHj, was your question specific to meson projetcs? [11:13] projects [11:14] seb128, aapart from the apport noise are there any real reports of issues? [11:14] darkxst, not that I know but often we don't get user feedback about segfaults out of apport/whoopsie reports [11:15] seb128: No, my question was specific to good old build system which makes use of po/Makefile instead of intltool. But it looks like I'd better test before talking more about that topic. ;) [11:18] seb128, that has been ongoing for a few cycles before you guys switched back to GNOME, I never managed to find the cause though [11:19] :/ [11:19] I don't even understand why we need xwayland under gdm [11:20] mutter is entirely dependant on Xwayland, upstream were working to decouple that but that work seems to have stagnated [11:23] k :/ [11:24] I have next week off work, so might try and look into a bit more, if there are any other nasty bugs let me know [11:24] GunnarHj, commented on that dh_translations bug, I don't know if we can figure out how to get the domain from meson introspect in a robust way, if we can't maybe we should add a --domain to dh_translations and just specify the domain by hand in the rules for those projects, would be cleaner that the overrides copied around [11:25] darkxst, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html and http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html are lists worth looking at if you are interested in flagged issues [11:26] seb128: Yeah... The other problem is figuring out the build dir. I suppose that also that would need to be passed to dh_translations. [11:26] seb128: But it feels like a post release thing. [11:27] GunnarHj, I don't think we would have an issue adding that --domain option before release, it's not changing an existing behaviour [11:27] then we probably don't need to replace the hacks now [11:27] next time we update those packages/merge [11:28] GunnarHj, the builddir we could use the obj-arch by default and override manually if needed yes [11:28] seb128, hmm I never seen those before, are they new(ish) [11:28] seb128: But dh_translations is a perl script. Does it understand that variable? [11:29] darkxst, no, some years old at least [11:29] GunnarHj, well, I'm sure there is a way to query the arch tripplet from perl :) [11:30] seb128: 15 years ago I might have known how. Now I don't. :( [11:33] GunnarHj, well, I'm not saying that you are the one that need to do that work [11:33] I'm going to try to help having a look [11:33] adding the --domain would be a first step and probably easier [11:35] seb128: I'll be happy to help if I can, but you or somebody else needs to help with the approach. [11:36] k [11:37] jbicha: right, I guess I could upload 0.28.1 as well with lighter testing, as the only other 0.28.1 changes are two translation updates and adding "static" to one function [11:37] Mirv: please :) [11:38] will do [11:38] seb128, some years is indistinct, keeping I mind I didnt have internet for 18months of the last 2 years! [11:41] darkxst, I don't remember but my emails suggest it was started in 2011 [11:45] this glib test failure sucks [11:46] AND I forgot my lunch at home [11:51] :/ [11:51] hmm i had internet in 2011 [11:55] I'm trying to build GNOME Software with a patch I got from Robert for the slideshow. I've git cloned it, applied the patch, now... how the heck do I build this thing? [11:56] ah, meson [11:56] jbicha, Hi, can you update lp:~jbicha/ubiquity/update-updates-page following latest changes from m_pt? also there are periods missing at the end of the label of the radio buttons to perfectly match the spec. [11:57] other than that it's ready to merge [11:57] jibel: yes, I'm working on that now [11:57] willcooke, meson builddir && cd builddir && ninja ? [11:57] jbicha, thanks [11:58] seb128, ta, I'll try that. Looks like I need to build in 1804 [11:58] willcooke, you are trying to build a binary or a package? [11:58] my bloody 1804 machine keeps going to sleep [11:58] seb128, just a binary will be fine for now [11:59] willcooke, I would rather start from the source package and add the patch [11:59] k, then meson might be what you need [11:59] I'll try the source package approach, that might be easier in the long run [12:01] willcooke, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DjSrN98Y4r/ is what the package does, if you want to build with the same options [12:01] you might set some plugin to false for local testing [12:03] I like the new picker! [12:04] looks awesome, and nice icons [12:06] thanks seb128 [12:06] np [12:06] xnox, picker? [12:07] acheronuk: ping [12:07] seb128, the whatever that "google-chrome" shows when one tries to attach file to a gmail e.g. "open/browse a file" dialog [12:07] jbicha: pong [12:07] xnox, ah, that sounds like a chrome thing :) [12:07] but it's a gnome thing [12:08] let me get a screenshot, or trigger it elsewhere [12:08] acheronuk: can I change your "Minimal Install" to "Minimal installation" to match the updated gtk string? [12:09] seb128, what's that metapackage that brings in all the deb tools, like fakeroot etc? [12:09] seb128, Super -> search for evince; launch; Ctrl-O -> see the dialog that pops up with loads of small icons column, then subdirs as a sidebar [12:09] oooh, and it has some orange highlits [12:09] I am rebasing the ubiquity merge proposal so it will have fewer commits and changes to be easier to read [12:09] jbicha: please do. I prefer that, but decided not to change while it was being debated [12:09] * xnox ponders if i have a weird ass nautilus extension and/or customizations [12:10] seb128, ignore, it's building [12:10] willcooke, I don't know of one, you can apt-get build-dep gnome-software though [12:10] if you have a deb-src enable [12:10] yeah build-essential didnt bring fakeroot in [12:11] but that's all I was missing [12:11] xnox, oh, that's a theme update from Trevinho :) [12:11] acheronuk: gtk uses "What apps would you like to install to start with?" qt uses "Which applications would you like to start with?" is that intentional? [12:16] seb128, woot, it work [12:16] seb128, I used the deb-buildpackage [12:16] :) [12:17] does the patch work as well? ;) [12:17] it does! [12:17] nice [12:17] jbicha: yes, KDE is much more applications still than apps [12:18] 🙄 [12:20] tkamppeter, hey, I don't know if you noticed but the cups update isn't migrating because the autopkgtest are failing, see [12:20] https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-bionic/bionic/amd64/c/cups/20180328_101808_e6118@/log.gz [12:20] " FAIL stderr: lpadmin: Raw queues are deprecated and will stop working in a future version of CUPS." [12:21] tkamppeter, those warnings are writting on stderr which makes the test fail, either you need to write on stdout, or filter out, or allow writting on stderr [12:42] kenvandine, I've prepared a LO 5.4.6 build for artful (SRU: bug #1759404), would you be able to upload it for me? https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-5.4.6/ [12:42] bug 1759404 in libreoffice-l10n (Ubuntu) "[SRU] libreoffice 5.4.6 for artful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759404 [12:42] I've built it in a PPA, verified that autopkgtests pass (on amd64) and successfully ran the manual test plan [12:54] btw, is there a way to request an autopkgtest run for a package in a PPA? that would be super useful [12:54] Laney, you probably know ^ [12:56] oSoMoN, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#Testing_against_a_PPA [12:58] acheronuk: I updated my merge proposal and new PPA packages (bionic3) are building https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/temp-ubiquity/+packages [13:05] seb128, perfect, thanks! [13:05] oSoMoN, yw! [13:08] it would work if I were allowed to upload libreoffice… seb128, mind running this for me? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=artful&arch=amd64&package=libreoffice&ppa=osomon/lo-test&trigger=libreoffice/1:5.4.6-0ubuntu0.17.10.1~ppa1 [13:08] (I will request PPU for libreoffice someday, it's on my to-do list) [13:09] oSoMoN, done [13:09] cheers [13:12] oSoMoN, sure [13:20] thanks kenvandine [13:22] acheronuk: new PPA packages are published now [13:22] kenvandine: hey, mind pushing your g-c-c changes to the vcs? I had to revert my commits [13:22] didrocks, sorry! [13:22] will do [13:23] kenvandine: no worry, I was wondering why I got a reject :) [13:24] that's annoying when it happens :/ [13:26] didrocks, done [13:26] thx! [13:28] oSoMoN, sponsored [13:29] cheers! [13:29] seb128, re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1756006 -> if and when it is approved, i can do the systemd upload with relevant changes. But that FFe is not yet approved, right? [13:29] Ubuntu bug 1756006 in systemd (Ubuntu) "FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate" [Undecided,New] [13:30] xnox, right, looks like Lukaz wanted and UIFe, maybe GunnarHj can help you with that [13:30] well I think the systemd change doesn't impact the UI [13:31] then g-s-d ... dunno if adding an enum is user visibile/reflecting on g-c-c choices (but then we need a string added there I guess) [13:33] jibel: I added an updated screenshot (and merge proposal) to LP: #1758082 [13:33] Launchpad bug 1758082 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update ubiquity's Minimal Install page to match the spec" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758082 [13:34] seb128: gnome-control-center hard-codes the list of Power options, so there won't be a new string there unless we add it [13:35] that's what I though [13:51] jbicha, we've got the OK from product management to drop the Amazon web app from the minimal session. [13:51] congrats! [13:52] ;) [13:52] 🎉 [13:53] and committed! :) [14:49] oSoMoN, there seem to be no scroll bars in LO Impress when you shrink the window from full screen. Have you seen that one? [14:53] oSoMoN, they're back once I restarted it [14:53] seb128: For now I take it that we await the LP update of gettext instead of playing with a hack. [14:54] GunnarHj, we can do that and revisit in a week [14:55] seb128: Yeah - suppose you by "do that" mean wait. ;) [14:55] right [14:55] Ack. [15:02] xnox, I've got the slideshow ready, but I updated the text slightly on the Software slide - do I need to do anything about that? [15:03] willcooke, last time i touched this, it was eons ago. If you run the previewer from the branch, if you see what you are expecting to see, it should be all just fine. [15:03] willcooke, i can review the branch, if you want.... [15:06] thanks xnox [15:06] oh, my bad, it was cyphermox who pinged about it yesterday ^ [15:09] as xnox said [15:09] willcooke, weird, if you manage to reproduce please file a bug [15:10] the previewer helps a lot to make sure things look the way they should, sometimes spacing can be a little odd [15:30] xnox: yeah is the file sector sidebar, even in nautilus... Based in ambiance-rw. There might be some improvements to do, but after you got used to, it's nice [15:32] Trevinho, i liked from the first time I saw it! [15:33] Good :-) [15:40] cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1759601 I checked with the testing tool, and it all looks good to my eyes. [15:40] Ubuntu bug 1759601 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "18.04 LTS Bionic Beaver Mascot" [Undecided,New] [16:08] jibel, the gnome-menus update issue, do you get steps where you can still trigger it without hitting the plymouth issue that is blocking L_aney to investigate? [16:11] seb128, I can try to find steps. I'd like to finish the review of ubiquity today but planned to work on upgrades tomorrow and fraiday. I'll check if I can find steps that do not hit the plymouth issue. [16:20] willcooke: cool, will review after lunch [16:20] cyphermox, merci! [16:48] have a good evening everyone === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [17:10] jibel, thanks, thursday or friday sounds good [18:00] jbicha, I merged the "update & software" page. Thanks for your work! [18:00] jbicha, can you drive the uife [18:00] ? [18:00] um, I thought it was provisionally accepted based on fixing Kubuntu [18:01] I see nothing in the bug report and ubuntu-release is not subscribed [18:01] otherwise i'll do it tomorrow morning [18:02] I'm interpreting comments #4 and #14 [18:02] Laney: do you want to reconfirm the UIFE for LP: #1758082 ? [18:02] Launchpad bug 1758082 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update ubiquity's Minimal Install page to match the spec" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758082 [18:05] gnight all [18:10] jbicha, ah sorry, I missed #4. It's all good then. thanks [18:10] * jibel -> EOD [18:10] cool, thanks for reviewing :) [18:13] good work guys! [18:59] EOD, have a good evening everyone === amano_ is now known as amano [20:29] Trevinho: do you want to close LP: #1689239 now? [20:29] Launchpad bug 1689239 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Headerbar used as toolbars in unity are missing proper css classes" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1689239 [20:52] jbicha: correct [22:52] c-lobrano: hey, just to know... Will you do something for https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/desktop-design/issues/28 or should I? [22:52] CanonicalLtd bug 28 in desktop-design "Nautilus path bar buttons are inconsistent" (comments: 13) [Community Team, Open] [22:52] bug 28 in Launchpad itself "Outgoing email configuration ready for production - gogo!" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28