[14:18] <jrwren> User INterface Freeze? I don't remember these in years past.
[14:18] <cmaloney> for 18.04?
[14:18] <cmaloney> or something else?
[14:27] <hpucks> Wouldn't surprise me.  This is the first LTS release without Unity in what?  Five years?  Something like that.
[14:28] <Scary_Guy> good, now if we can just get rid of gnome and KDE that would be amazing
[14:28] <Scary_Guy> small DE's FTW
[14:29] <Scary_Guy> unless we're talking about VR, then sure make it pretty
[14:33] <hpucks> I've been using 17.10 with gnome, I don't hate it.  Seems like they tried to recreate the functionality of Unity in Gnome.
[14:35] <jrwren> yes, 18.04 did User Interface Freeze, I just don't remember it in yeras passed.
[14:35] <Scary_Guy> exactly, that's why they made MATE, because they hated what Gnome became
[14:36] <jrwren> I hate any UI which removed the menu. Hiding it, as is hte case for web browsers is an acceptable alternative.
[14:37] <jrwren> `File Edit View Window Help` is such a well known UI, it is inexcusable to throw it away without strong justification.
[14:39] <Scary_Guy> I think a lot of people want to part from that because it seems antiquated to them and they want to "revolutionise the UX" or some crap
[14:39] <jrwren> That is fine. Let them, as long as they know that they are experimenting in UX
[14:40] <Scary_Guy> the menu is like it is because it works.  fine make it dynamic like Apple but at least leave it in there
[14:40] <jrwren> when gnome.org claims, "An easy and elegant way to use your computer, GNOME 3 is designed to put you in control and get things done."  and then ignores 30 yrs of UI and throws familiarity out the window, they should admit their hypocracy.
[14:44] <Scary_Guy> that and everything is a bloated memory hog too.  https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/
[14:44] <Scary_Guy> although that is a bit out of date now
[14:45] <jrwren> i love how e17 is listed. e used to be the most bloated.
[14:47] <jrwren> that article you linked uses "free" to measure ram before and after. That is rather pointless.
[14:47] <jrwren> unused ram is wasted ram.
[14:47] <jrwren> linux bufcache and mmap make "free" a useless tool for this type of analysis.
[14:47] <jrwren> All numbers in that article should be ignored.
[14:49] <Scary_Guy> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/linux-distros-ram-consumption-comparison-4175609369/ this one is more up to date
[15:11] <jrwren> again using free output. not very useful.
[15:11] <jrwren> yay, people in that thread saying the same thing.