[05:30] knome: There, happy? I also maaaay have had help with the answers. I cheated. :3 [06:59] https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/ppa is wrong. :3 [07:15] https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes?do=diff&rev2%5B0%5D=1521701811&rev2%5B1%5D=1522307655&difftype=sidebyside ? [15:24] hey there... I'm using xubuntu 17.10, and I've found that light-locker won't let me unlock my screen after a recent update. I traced this down to a failure where the seat path for systemd is NULL, and light locker can't do much to recover from there it seems. Is this a known issue? [17:10] bluesabre: ^^ - also - on bionic after suspend I get a dead desktop - had to go back a version to see desktop [17:14] not been in long - got stuff to do - then I'll try and look at it a bit logically [17:15] ochosi: just to cheer you up - and just before release (again) lightdm turns into devil child :p [18:26] well - I really hate this thing every cycle :( [18:45] I've got an unusual blank/black/off tty issue on resume from suspend for the user session with 18.04. Looks to be related to XFCE, is this the correct channel to discuss/explore it? *only* when doing S3 suspend via lid-close, on resume lightdm greeter/lock shows and I authenticate. Immediately it switches to the user session the screen blanks (no sign of backlight). Can switch away to other TTYs and [18:45] the console displays fine. switch back to GUI and 'black' [18:46] I've been trawling logs watching it remotely over SSH and so far no clues as what is going on. xrandr says the output is connected and active, DPMS is off [18:47] TJ-: yea it is the right channel - but currently you'll be talking to me only ;) [18:53] TJ-: I did purge ppa's - still seeing bizarre things - and no network after suspend [19:15] It's so weird it's making me laugh. I just returned from dinner, pressed a key, bluetooth connects, greeter/lock shows, authenticate and 'blam!' black screen again (it didn't resume so it's 'remembered' this 'off' setting for the user session [19:16] so that's light-locker [19:26] interesting! If I 'systemctl suspend' then after it's suspended close the lid. Open the lid, it resumes, greeter > auth > user session is fine [19:32] this suggests the Lid Close event is handled but not cancelled when resuming [19:33] https://i.imgur.com/5qYRfNj.png [19:33] I get this when coming back from suspend - some times [19:34] that looks like the wrong texture is being restored [19:34] also the systemctl suspend made no difference to no network [19:35] Interestingly, in auth.log up until March 25th when I d-r-u-ed to 18.04 there are "systemd-logind: Lid closed/opened" pairs ... since then, none [19:36] (xfwm4:1316): xfwm4-WARNING **: 20:32:11.168: GL not available [19:36] bluesabre: ^^ [19:36] which network device is it? dmesg should reveal something [19:42] according to 'man logind.conf' HandleLidSwitch=suspend is the default but usually a GUI will take-over handling with an inhibito lock handle-lid-switch [19:43] this points the finger at xfce4-power-manager I think [19:43] TJ-: dmesg had a lot of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rMnpkXR8hZ/ [19:44] flocculant: that's framebuffer (fb) DRM so definitely a video driver issue; what GPU/driver ? [19:44] GeForce 210 using nouveau [19:45] I've seen nouveau do that on 16.04 but it seems to depend on which GPU [19:52] looks like x-p-m has also regressed in other areas; it no longer reports the Bluetooth keyboard battery status [19:52] TJ-: took a few goes to get just no network > https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yjmY5Tnz5y/ [19:54] I disable x-p-m Security > "Lock screen when system is going to sleep" and the problem didn't occur. Need to test it a few more times though [19:56] oh, was wrong about no auth.log Lid closed/opened messages; grep thought the file was binary after March 25th. With 'grep -a' it sees the messages for 18.04 [19:59] and Bluetooth keyboard battery state is kernel issue; /sys/class/power_supply/hid-XXXXX/ nodes show the same values [20:01] TJ-: I've got to afk now - hopefully someone helpful will be along [20:54] One could test via downgrading xfpm. [21:11] I've found the problem and reverted the offending code. https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues/108 [22:05] knome: You didn't review? :3 [22:05] review what? [22:06] the slideshow? :P [22:06] I pasted wiki link. [22:06] hmm [22:07] i approve the wiki change [22:07] OK, thanks. [22:47] knome: Oh, there's also the PPA wiki page. :> [22:49] yes [22:49] so what about that is wrong? [22:52] 1. xfce4-gtk3 doesn't exist. 2. experimental may kind of be right, but it's basically "All Xfce development releases." 3. staging is basically "Backports to $currentRelease". [22:53] ok, so why not update the page? [22:53] it's a wiki for a reason... :) [22:57] 1. Words are haaaard. 2. Yes, just making sure I'm not "going off and doing my own thing" :) [22:57] Eg, communicating! [22:57] tbh i'm not the right person to talk about the PPA descriptions [22:58] i can help with the words things