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[05:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1003.3+signed1]
[07:15] <LocutusOfBorg> hello guys, slangasek I think we should merge debhelper again, can I do it?
[07:47] <elbrus> infinity: Laney: slangasek: juliank: not sure if I caught all the autopkgtest / pinning backlog
[07:48] <elbrus> but just to be clear, why I wanted to get rid of pinning with a= is because one can have either sid or unstable, or testing or buster in ones sources.list
[07:49] <elbrus> autopkgtest should do the right thing, not only for Ubuntu
[07:49] <elbrus> and I don't want the logic to convert names in autopkgtest, as that is rediculous
[07:49] <elbrus> slangasek: can you point me at the commit what you have now in Ubuntu after my "mess"
[07:50] <elbrus> and I didn't see a note in the debian bug 893754, was that intentional, or just missed?
[07:50] <ubot5> Debian bug 893754 in autopkgtest "autopkgtest 5.1 "autopkgtest-default-release" breaks tests that exercise apt" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/893754
[07:52] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Leave debhelper to me.
[07:53] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+files/debhelper_11.1.6ubuntu1.dsc
[07:54] <LocutusOfBorg> feel free to take from there
[07:54] <LocutusOfBorg> if you read #debian-devel, some cherry-picks or this version are useful for us
[07:56] <infinity> elbrus: I agree that it shouldn't "only work in Ubuntu", but I think we can also agree that "only works in Debian" isn't an ideal solution to that. ;)
[07:57] <elbrus> infinity: I never intended that
[07:57] <elbrus> I hope you didn't read that in my words anywhere
[07:57] <infinity> elbrus: I know, hence the winky face.
[07:57] <elbrus> sorry, missed that :(
[07:57] <infinity> elbrus: I'm quite positive you didn't intend to break our use-case.  Just, y'know, oops.
[07:57] <elbrus> right
[07:58] <elbrus> so let's figure out together how to properly fix autopkgtest (or at least agree how it should behave)
[08:00]  * infinity just typed "patch --dry-rub"...
[08:00] <infinity> Cause who doesn't love slow roasted patches?
[08:04] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: DH merge uploaded.  It's byte-identical to yours except without all the translation cruft.
[08:05] <infinity> elbrus: I'd love to be involved in getting to the bottom of doing this "right", but I also need sleep (and I'm on vacation, in theory), so I won't hold you hostage by my schedule.  I think juliank has a good handle on how I think the world should work.
[08:05] <infinity> elbrus: (Really, "how the world should work" from my POV is "how it worked before these changes landed", which should be easy enough to sort out in a TDD fasion)
[08:06] <elbrus> infinity: juliank actually helped with the current fix (and learned something new in the process :) )
[08:06] <infinity> elbrus: And it may well just be that Debian and Ubuntu need divergent paths here, due to how we publish archives.  stable, testing, and unstable are full suites.  bionic, bionic-updates, and bionic-proposed are not (well, bionic is, the others are partials).
[08:06] <elbrus> infinity: before these changes == unacceptable for autopkgtest from my standpoint
[08:06] <infinity> elbrus: Which leads to curious differences.
[08:07] <elbrus> infinity: I think I understand what you mean
[08:08]  * elbrus doesn't know what TDD is
[08:08] <infinity> elbrus: Test Driven Development.  ie: decide what we want the result to be, then make the code behave.
[08:08] <elbrus> ack
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks infinity I wanted to remove the translation delta, but I know you redo usually the merge from scratch so I didn't loose any time with it :)
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm interested because now dh-strip-nondeterminism should be back in sync with debian
[08:14]  * infinity wanders off to bed.
[08:23] <elbrus> slangasek: skip my note on not updating the debian bug 893754, I just saw debian bug 894094
[08:23] <ubot5> Debian bug 893754 in autopkgtest "autopkgtest 5.1 "autopkgtest-default-release" breaks tests that exercise apt" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/893754
[08:24] <ubot5> Debian bug 894094 in autopkgtest "Pin 'release foo' matches foo-proposed in Ubuntu" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/894094
[08:35] <LocutusOfBorg> g night Adam!
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-artwork (artful-proposed/universe) [0.8.3 => 0.8.3ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom)
[11:12] <fossfreedom> ^^^ can an archive admin please can someone cancel the above upload - forgot to  put my name in the changelog correctly.
[14:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.13.0-1013.16] (no packageset)
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fonts-roboto (xenial-proposed/universe) [2:0~20160106-1 => 2:0~20160106-1ubuntu0.1] (personal-gunnarhj)
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vagrant (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.8.1+dfsg-1ubuntu0.1 => 1.8.1+dfsg-1ubuntu0.2] (ubuntu-cloud)
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.13.0-1013.16]
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (artful-proposed/main) [2.20.7-0ubuntu3.7 => 2.20.7-0ubuntu3.8] (core)
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (xenial-proposed/main) [2.20.1-0ubuntu2.15 => 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.16] (core)