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[04:35] <FurretUber> xfce4-notifyd is having a strange behavior while megasync is open: when I click the button in a notification, it opens megasync's status. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XLah_3Q_74
[06:50] <flocculant> Unit193: I did downgrade xfpm - no change here
[06:51] <flocculant> knome_: how often does tracker update against bugs?
[08:15] <knome_> flocculant, daily iirc
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[08:16] <flocculant> knome_: mmm - the 75s timeout bug isn't showing on the tracker for some reason
[08:16] <flocculant> but thanks for the info regardless of that :)
[08:16] <knome> mhm, i can look at that a tad later
[08:18] <flocculant> ok - no panic - was just wondering :)
[08:18]  * flocculant has dug out laptop and sorted the dust bunnies ... some lock and suspend testing to do on it
[08:48] <flocculant> forgot how slow it can be to install on hdd
[09:53] <flocculant> well suspend and lock appear to work ok on that
[09:56] <knome> heh, hdd, yeah
[09:56] <flocculant> :p
[09:57] <knome> i think i might have an extra laptop available
[09:57] <knome> one that works too :P
[09:57] <flocculant> :)
[09:58] <flocculant> still not working well on the desktop
[10:06] <flocculant> ochosi: just installed nvidia driver here during testing of suspend - coming out of suspend the login screen looks like it's at 640x480 - then when I get to the pretty much unusable desktop resolution is normal again
[10:10] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:10] <flocculant> hi bluesabre 
[10:10] <bluesabre> lightdm always ready to crash the LTS party
[10:10] <flocculant> sigh ...
[10:11] <flocculant> you'd not believe how often I've looked how much windows is lately ...
[10:12] <bluesabre> pay robert ancell the cost of a windows license and you might get a fixed lightdm ;)
[10:13] <flocculant> :)
[10:13] <flocculant> so basically found a bunch of issues now - and I've no idea if they're connected at all :p
[10:14] <flocculant> and after taking an age to get laptop working and installing it - I can't replicate the one from TJ last night lol
[10:15] <ochosi> flocculant: the resolution topic is probably your driver+lightdm
[10:16] <ochosi> havent had time to look at that lightlocker issue and will probably be afk over the weekend
[10:16] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[10:16] <bluesabre> I saw some bugs pop up that the issue has reappeared on 16.04+, so could be the latest kernel versions as well
[10:16] <flocculant> yup - I suspect the channel will be a tumbleweed zone for the weekend :p
[10:16] <ochosi> wondering if those are sporadic issues or easily reproducible ones
[10:17] <flocculant> ochosi: for me - every time
[10:17] <ochosi> anyway, the greeter stuff is probably something that could end up being unfixablenfor us
[10:18] <flocculant> but I think I'll ppa-purge again so I'm using default - did check all with nouveau yesterday like that
[10:18] <ochosi> for the locker we'll see what we can do
[10:18] <flocculant> time to bring up the should we use lightdm - given we're at the end of the lts cycle - got to love tradition :D
[10:18] <ochosi> i read somebody debugged it a little already
[10:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: feel free to link it all to xubuntu-b-bugs so we have a list to work through... we can unlink them if something isn't right or they are dupes
[10:18] <flocculant> yea - TJ posted something
[10:19] <ochosi> nah, that discussion is moot
[10:19] <bluesabre> and I think ubuntu main is the only one not using lightdm now, so relevant across the board
[10:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: frankly I'm not even sure where to report the suspend thing lol
[10:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: just attach it to lightdm for now
[10:21] <flocculant> ok
[10:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll do the list then ...
[10:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks
[10:23] <bluesabre> won't be around tonight, but hopefully will be able to debug (and maybe resolve some issues) over the weekend
[10:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: also - did you see comment on the numlock bug re 'what if I've a laptop with seperate keypad'
[10:24] <bluesabre> flocculant: I think the patch we have actually covers that scenario
[10:24] <flocculant> turns it on?
[10:24] <bluesabre> the 55numlockx does some things
[10:24] <bluesabre> # Enable numlock for USB keyboard on laptop
[10:24] <flocculant> cos I have laptop with seperate keypad - and numlock was on there
[10:24] <flocculant> oh right 
[10:25] <flocculant> that'd explain it I guess :)
[10:25] <bluesabre> pretty smart script, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
[10:25] <flocculant> yea I did read that - but you know me and voodoo don't mix too well ;)
[10:26] <bluesabre> :)
[10:26] <flocculant> oh yea
[10:26] <flocculant> timeout issue - was talking briefly to jibel - apparently Laney is looking at thos things
[10:26] <flocculant> whether that includes our one or not - unsure
[10:26] <bluesabre> cool
[10:27] <flocculant> but he'll be away with the fairies till Tuesday I'm sure
[10:27] <bluesabre> :D
[10:27] <flocculant> right rebooting back to a ppa-less setup then do some ubuntu-bug things
[10:28] <bluesabre> bionic is pretty up-to-date, I'd recommend not using our PPAs for the remainder of the cycle
[10:28] <flocculant> :)
[10:28] <flocculant> but but but ...
[10:28] <bluesabre> :D
[10:29] <flocculant> thunar is all gtk2 now there :p
[10:29] <flocculant> I assume the resolution and locker I can do against that
[10:31] <bluesabre> oh wow, the wallpaper ranking moved around a bit
[10:31] <flocculant> if the lightdm bugs end up private - I'll check it all out on the unused install I have and report from there so I can un-private them
[10:31] <flocculant> how do you see the ranking then?
[10:32] <bluesabre> Contests > Hover the 18.04 one > Vote Results
[10:32] <knome> only -council sees the ranking :P
[10:33] <flocculant> oh right
[10:34] <bluesabre> oh
[10:34] <bluesabre> :D
[10:34] <bluesabre> well, it moved around a bit
[10:34] <knome> yep
[10:35] <flocculant> they are in a different order for sure
[10:35] <knome> this is exactly why i asked people to use all of their votes
[10:36] <knome> next thing is to get akxwi-dave, slickymaster and jjfrv8 do the rest of their votes
[10:37] <flocculant> the real next thing is to get the community to vote the next time we do it
[10:37] <knome> dkessel is at 0 votes so unless he steps up soonish to vote, then he simply doesn't
[10:37] <flocculant> and have -team veto on things
[10:37] <knome> that's one option
[10:37] <flocculant> dkessel: has been mia for ages
[10:37] <knome> yep
[10:37] <flocculant> though I do remember him saying it was going to happen.
[10:37] <knome> yep
[10:37] <knome> not a biggie
[10:38] <flocculant> ofc not
[10:38] <knome> flocculant, remind me what you said again about having that one vote missing?
[10:38] <flocculant> it was the same pic as another one - maybe resolution difference or something
[10:39] <knome> right... could you do the same vote as for the other one anyway?
[10:39] <knome> for mental health purposes :P
[10:39] <bluesabre> :)
[10:39] <flocculant> if I remember - right now I'm up to my neck in bug reporting
[10:39] <knome> sure
[10:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: quick one > http://i.imgur.com/AUB7BeJ.png
[10:41] <flocculant> if I say no - will that likely hamper the solving?
[10:41] <flocculant> if so I'll nip to the other install 
[10:43] <flocculant> knome: can't - it won't let me help your mental health ...
[10:43] <knome> huh?
[10:43] <flocculant> just stays green/red
[10:43] <knome> try clicking the other button, then the one you want to vote on?
[10:44] <flocculant> nope - not happening
[10:44] <flocculant> I'll log out and try again
[10:46] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes will probably have more useful details
[10:47] <flocculant> ok - I'll do them from the other one 
[10:47] <bluesabre> thanks
[10:47] <flocculant> np
[10:47] <flocculant> and likely find that suspend works there - at which point I will be bald :D
[10:47] <flocculant> biab as trackerX
[10:56] <flocculant> apport-cli much quicker than ubuntu-bug
[10:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: so - not bald - same no network post suspend there :p
[11:00] <flocculant> added both to the list
[11:01] <flocculant> nice to see lots of green on there too btw :)
[11:03] <flocculant> I appear to have broken my install ppa-purging :p xfce4-notifyd-config: error while loading shared libraries: libxfconf-0.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:11] <flocculant> Unit193: ^^ you got an idea what I did there? 
[11:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - linked the other now - neither of the lightdm bugs went private
[11:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1759112/comments/4
[11:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1759112 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Disable numlockx on laptops" [Undecided,Fix released]
[11:26] <flocculant> 55numlockx looks for /usr/sbin/laptop-detect but it's in /usr/bin 
[11:27] <flocculant> afk for a while now - headaching ...
[17:08] <FurretUber> There is a strange behavior on the button in the notifications. Video: https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=1XLah_3Q_74 I've seen this happen only with megasync, but it "hijacks" the button, so a gnome-software notification opens the megasync status window
[17:12] <FurretUber> Maybe this is a problem with megasync (third party application), but maybe the button in the notification should only open the intended application
[17:17] <flocculant> can't see the video - but if you only see it with some random 3rd party tool - perhaps it's that
[18:14] <TJ-> flocculant: do you still suspect lightdm suspend bugs?
[18:32] <flocculant> TJ-: we're not sure - kind of a bit lightdm/light-locker
[18:33] <TJ-> I've been digging the source of both, not found anything obvious so far
[18:33] <flocculant> I managed to get a laptop working earlier today - and while I got some issues - I didn't see what you were seeing 
[18:34] <flocculant> I did report things today at least - https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Eflocculant/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[18:35] <flocculant> top 3 there
[18:35] <flocculant> we quite frequently get issues with lightdm - usually right around now in a cycle
[18:37] <TJ-> suspend issue is rather weird for sure. 
[18:38] <flocculant> yup
[18:39] <flocculant> bluesabre and ochosi were here this morning - but holidays and stuff so went - both had seen what went on yesterday in here
[18:40] <flocculant> TJ-: re the suspend issues - I don't often use it - so I'm not able to say when it stopped working properly for me during the bb cycle - but it was a while back
[18:41] <TJ-> the network not being brought back?
[18:43] <flocculant> yea
[18:43] <flocculant> and the double login
[18:44] <flocculant> pretty much always use nouveau - so not sure about if the odd resolution happened before
[18:54] <TJ-> any idea how to configure lightdm in debug mode? It only seems to take a command-line --debug, but I don't see anything that can be set via lightdm.conf
[19:17] <TJ-> Possibly related: from reading lightdm/src/vt.c::vt_set_active() where it has a comment regarding VT_WAITACTIVE (because I see in lightdm.log "WARNING: Error using VT_WAITACTIVE 7 on /dev/tty0: Interrupted system call") links to  Bug #851612 comment #16 and bug #1566073
[19:17] <ubottu> bug 851612 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Logging out from a FUS session does not reliably return to VT7" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851612
[19:17] <ubottu> bug 1566073 in lightdm (Ubuntu Trusty) "Use /dev/tty0 instead of /dev/console for VT operations" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566073
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[19:39] <tacocat> someone doesn't know how to thread
[19:40] <knome> also freenode is flipping on me
[19:40] <knome> i have owner flag on this channel, but i'm not authorized to op me?
[19:42] <knome> better...
[19:42] <knome> but what on earth
[19:50] <tacocat> my guess is that you weren't logged in or weren't logged into the right account
[19:50] <flocculant> TJ-: possibly - something a bit more similar to your issue bug 1303736
[19:50] <ubottu> bug 1303736 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303736
[19:51] <flocculant> back tomorrow now
[19:51] <TJ-> wow, good find, let me look
[19:57] <TJ-> I've found an issue as a result: from a console "xrandr -d :0.0 -q" shows the current resolution is 320x200 when it should be 2560x1440, and 320x200 is not valid on this display (eDP-1)
[19:58] <elefler> Does installing the daily in VBox help or is it not the same thing as installing for real?
[19:59] <elefler> Sometimes when I try proper releases of distros they do weird things in VMs so I'm not sure how reliable it is
[20:03] <Unit193> flocculant: libxfconf-0.so.3 is the newer xfconf only from the experimental PPA.  apt list | grep ed,loc
[20:24] <flocculant> TJ-: yea - it wasn't nice that - took a while to sru it
[20:24] <flocculant> elefler: at the moment - any testing is good :) I'll be shouting out next week for specific final beta testing
[20:25] <flocculant> Unit193: I thought so - got that after ppa-purging all the ppa's - then notify failed - currently readded experimental but really wanted to lose that for the rest of the cycle
[20:26] <Unit193> flocculant: Should be doable, to lose it.
[20:26] <flocculant> especially as bluesabre recommended not using ppa's right now
[20:27] <flocculant> I think I saw an error when purging - but was right in the middle of all the things this morning - so I got no further lol
[20:30] <Unit193> Likely because certain libraries aren't available in normal repos.  And for testing purposes, might make sense.  But a lot of the GTK3/Xfce development builds are only going to be in PPA.
[20:31] <flocculant> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3Ft9PcVkCg/
[20:31] <flocculant> yea ofc - but I'm confused as to why it's not purging properly I guess
[20:32] <flocculant> really away now - night all
[20:34] <Unit193> Basically, for the stuff that only says $package/now $version amd64 [installed,local]  you do: apt-get install $package/bionic