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[09:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[14:13] <blaze> boo, kio gdrive stopped working all of a sudden
[14:13] <blaze> can anyone reproduce?
[14:15] <blaze> google apis are not reliable at all
 @blaze, gdrive:// working fine here in dolphin with 18.04....
 maybe turn it off and on again?
 Update: gdrive is acting a little quirky.  Delete action does not auto refresh the list and certain actions causes duplciate branches.
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[16:01] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[16:02] <santa_> acheronuk: if you have a few minutes I could explain the changes I made in kmailtransport + upload it to bionic if you are ok with tthat
[16:04] <santa_> s/tthat/that/
[16:04] <acheronuk> santa_: go for it
[16:06] <santa_> ok, in the first place, let me say that I did several commits and the first ones wasn't on my most inspired day so sorry for the mess
[16:06] <santa_> so...
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[16:07] <santa_> to see the actual changes you may want to type "git diff ubuntu/17.12.3-0ubuntu3"
[16:08] <santa_> note that I have just pushed a couple of commits right now, so make sure you pull them now
[16:08] <acheronuk> doing...
[16:10] <acheronuk> ok. seems sensible
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[16:12] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: did you try the settings package from the ppa, or just manually set the backgrounds?
[16:14] <santa_> so a couple of comments about the changes
[16:14] <acheronuk> santa_: kmailtransport has been a 'mess' for much longer than you touching it. scarlet has quite some issue with it on Neon
[16:14] <acheronuk> s/has/had
[16:14] <santa_> about the kio-smtp deletion I just blindtrusted you the other day when you say it's gone
[16:14] <santa_> in second place there's something still wrong
[16:15] <santa_> or probably wrong
[16:15] <acheronuk> I thought it had, but somehow not
[16:15] <santa_> usr/lib/*/qt5/plugins/mailtransport/mailtransport_smtpplugin.so installed by libkf5mailtransport5abi2
[16:16] <santa_> that, as far as I know is a violation of a debian must policy, but aparently scarlett had some issue providing it in its own package
[16:17] <santa_> so we could upload this improved version and discuss with her a possible new package providing mailtransport_smtpplugin.so
[16:17] <santa_> even after our lts release
[16:21] <acheronuk> santa_: scarlet seems to be doing more with debian than Neon at the moment, and as they have it in the same place, maybe she can get it changed in all places
[16:21] <santa_> that's the idea
[16:21] <acheronuk> okay. sounds a plan
[16:22] <santa_> I mean, if we are going to have a separate package, better if we have the same name everywhere
[16:23] <acheronuk> yep
[16:24] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you about?
 @acheronuk, On phone for the next five hours but otherwise yeah
 later or tommorow then
 not urgent
 @acheronuk, What's up?
 never did get ksmtp 17.12.3 uploaded. but on 2nd thoughts, maybe should leave it until this kmailtransport upload is done. that is nore important to get in 1st
 @acheronuk, I neglected to use the PPA.  Will try ppa shortly....
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 @DarinMiller new kio-gdrive 1.2.2 on the way. fixes don't really sound like those issues, but I don't use it, so can't really say 100%
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[19:10] <yofel> o/
 Yo
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[19:36] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[19:37] <sick_rimmit> Hi, sorry i'm a little late
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[19:43] <valorie> sick_rimmit: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[19:43] <valorie> so good to see you again!
[19:44] <sick_rimmit> Hi valorie
[19:44] <valorie> how are you?
[19:44] <sick_rimmit> I'm good
[19:44] <sick_rimmit> It's been a very eventful year
[19:44] <valorie> it was quite a winter
[19:44] <sick_rimmit> WoW for you guys, most certainly
[19:44] <sick_rimmit> Couldn't believe the weather you've been getting
[19:44] <valorie> yes, a lot packed in and it's just the third month
[19:45] <valorie> well, milder over on my side of the continent
[19:45] <valorie> well and truly spring here now
[19:45] <sick_rimmit> We had a couple of days of snow, one of which was a blizzard
[19:45] <sick_rimmit> most unusual
[19:46] <sick_rimmit> I've been trying to keep in the loop with the high level stuff, via Telegram
[19:46] <valorie> cool
[19:46] <sick_rimmit> and Email
[19:46] <valorie> lots to keep up on
[19:47] <valorie> beta 2 next week!
[19:47] <sick_rimmit> Some great early reviews on YouTube
[19:47] <sick_rimmit> 18.04 is looking very promising
[19:47] <valorie> yes, I've got beta 1 on my travel laptop and it's great so far
[19:48] <sick_rimmit> What's been happening in the community
[19:48] <sick_rimmit> I saw a post from a person on the web, who announced themselves as the Product Manager for Kubuntu
[19:48] <sick_rimmit> Did we find someone ?
[19:48] <sick_rimmit> I'll be so pleased
[19:48] <valorie> besides the devel going nuts and uploading spectactular packages
[19:49] <valorie> yes, Nate Graham @nggraham  is going great guns at the job
[19:49] <sick_rimmit> Oh that's excellent
[19:49] <valorie> working all over Kubuntu and KDE in QA, usability, etc.
[19:50] <valorie> I asked him -- you are already doing the job, why not take the title?
[19:50] <valorie> lol
[19:50] <valorie> so he did
[19:50] <sick_rimmit> Well done
[19:50] <sick_rimmit> :-D
[19:50] <sick_rimmit> {{{hug}}}
 Hello!
[19:50] <sick_rimmit> Hi Nate.
[19:50] <valorie> thank YOU for crystalizing our need into that proposal
 Hi, nice to meet you
[19:51] <sick_rimmit> I've been seeing some of your interactions, well done, doing an awesome job
[19:51] <valorie> hey nate, meet Rick who proposed your job title
 hehe
[19:51] <sick_rimmit> Very nice to meet you
 thank you very much, I've been having a blast
[19:52] <sick_rimmit> I'm afraid, I'm going to have to leave doing Kafe.
 the CTO of my company, who is ordinarily a Windows guy, put Kubuntu 17.10 on his machine recently and was very impressed. I was so happy
[19:53] <sick_rimmit> It's clear already that 18.04 is shaping up really strongly
[19:53] <sick_rimmit> I think it is important to sweat the small stuff, at this stage. 
 yup
[19:54] <sick_rimmit> We really must try hard to stamp any niggles our
[19:54] <sick_rimmit> s/our/out/
[19:54] <sick_rimmit> We've been getting some great reviews and videos on YouTube
[19:54] <valorie> sick_rimmit: don't sweat it
[19:55] <valorie> if it can resume at some time, that would be great
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> Thanks @valorie
[19:55] <valorie> I miss having your energy in the team
[19:55] <valorie> so when you can slide back in that would be great
[19:55] <valorie> if
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> Well, I'm on my way back into the fold
[19:56] <sick_rimmit> I've still lots of family stuff todo, Brother, Sister both need my support
[19:56] <sick_rimmit> and of course my own girls
[19:56] <valorie> losing a parent is very hard
[19:57] <sick_rimmit> But, you've all been great, supportive and understanding
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> More importantly we've got an LTS to ship, and lots to do
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> So what's to do ?
[19:59]  * sick_rimmit Kicks off Firefox, for a look at Phab
[19:59] <valorie> the meeting is when?
[19:59] <valorie> I thought it was later, but no reason we can't start now
[20:00] <valorie> hmmm, looks like ahoneybun didn't add the meeting to calendar
[20:00] <valorie> tsk tsk
[20:01] <valorie> i'm supposed to be in another meeting right now but I don't see JP on irc, so....
 HiI Rick. Good to see you. :)
 I am here and not here :/
[20:02] <valorie> @acheronuk, where are you on minimal install?
 Same here. Easter lunch with the family.
[20:02] <valorie> does a mini-install work yet?
 it works
[20:02] <valorie> @tsimonq2 Easter is tomorrow!
 @valorie, I know :)
 just the package list needs refining a bit
[20:02] <valorie> do you feel like you are done with it?
[20:03] <valorie> oh, ok
[20:03] <valorie> task not ready for the "done" pile then
[20:03] <sick_rimmit> acheronuk: Hiya, good to see you too
 Heyo Rick
[20:04] <sick_rimmit> tsimonq2: Hello young man, nice to see you, hoe you getting along ?
 @valorie, not sure it will require too much discussing. it is mostly a dev job now of getting rid of left over cruft that PIM etc leaves behind when the main apps are removed
 @sick_rimmit, Pretty good!
[20:07] <valorie> @acheronuk cool, I'm just sort of randomly clicking on stuff I know anything about
[20:07] <valorie> looks like most of the uploads on our wishlist are done
 @valorie, that is exactly my tactic every time I look at the board. 🤣
 Last chance to get uploads in is tomorrow
[20:08] <valorie> https://phabricator.kde.org/T7332
[20:08] <valorie> so I guess today is the last chance for anything left there that anybody realy realy really wants
[20:09] <sick_rimmit> Ah, so I was playing with MyCroft PLasmoid today
 Yep.
[20:09] <sick_rimmit> I didn't get it working yet.
[20:09] <valorie> is the Morse issue resolved, or just *dead*
 Monday is only beta freeze. In theory a new source could go in after
[20:09] <valorie> https://phabricator.kde.org/T5125
 I'm pretty sure that project is dead :(
 Cutelyst is on my radar. … Peruse needs some fixing up and an upload to Debian. … Some new Qt packages need to be uploaded (we have #ubuntu-qt for coordination of that now, btw, Rick). … Am I missing anything we want in for 18.04?
[20:10] <valorie> I see no sign of telepathy reviving soon, so I'm going to mark that one as dead
[20:10] <valorie> ah, I thought peruse was done
[20:11] <valorie> ok
 I'd love to see an official package for Lollypop, FWIW
 @acheronuk, It's Final Freeze. I've already asked, and been told "no" for new sources. :P
 clive was keen on that new tp stuff. I never really cared, as it seemed to want to stay dead
 it's the best GTK music player in existence IMHO, and so good that I use it in Plasma
 @tsimonq2, Unless it's super urgent or the KC makes a statement on it.
 @valorie, Peruse had some concerns that I need to address. Upstream doesn't do library handling right, and I messed up the version number...
[20:12] <valorie> ok
 I'll be going for Debian Maintainer at LFNW so I should be able to upstream a lot of this work.
 @tsimonq2, Final freeze is April 19th on the schedule
 @acheronuk, Hmmmmmm
 Oh
 I suck XD
[20:13] <valorie> @nggraham have you filed a bug for that lollypop thing on LP?
 So, we'll be able to do a Qt transition after all...
[20:13] <valorie> I don't see us doing it though, because it's gtk
 But I'll still call it a deadline for new sources unless a flavor identifies it as a release goal.
[20:14] <valorie> falkon got in, correct?
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaFreeze
[20:14] <valorie> I didn't have a chance to check on the travel laptop
 @valorie, Yepper
 "Once the BetaRelease is shipped, we roll back to FeatureFreeze and UserInterfaceFreeze status. "
 @acheronuk, Yeah I got mixed up. :P
[20:15] <valorie> \o/
 We shoudl still aim to get things in PDQ though
 But yeah, besides Qt, if anyone sees a new upstream bugfix release of things, yell loudly and we can get it in.
 @acheronuk, Right.
 for that, please test Krita 4.0.0 in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-misc
 @tsimonq2, Before Final Freeze, that is...
[20:16] <sick_rimmit> \o/ Yay I'm really pleased about Falkon
[20:16] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha, I am a pretty competent Krita user. I'll pull that in and test it
[20:17] <valorie> I use it exclusively now and love it
[20:17] <valorie> So Peruse, Cutelyst, kio-stash, systemdgenie, Plasma Mycroft and kube remain unpackaged or not uploaded.
[20:17] <valorie> from the list on that task
[20:17] <sick_rimmit> I really really think Plasma Mycroft should be focused on
[20:18] <valorie> what are the issues with it?
 One other thing is that I did a Mass Bug Filing in Ubuntu the other day. No new package sources should be introduced that depend on Qt 4, and the goal is to get that completely removed by the 19.04 release. … So if you see a package here that isn't triaged that you want to get ported, make sure to talk to upstream! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qt4-removal
[20:18] <sick_rimmit> That is such an exclusive item, and we could mke much PR of that
 @sick_rimmit, Got a link to the source package.
 s/./?/
[20:18] <valorie> !info plasma-mycroft
[20:18] <sick_rimmit> Sure.. stand tsimonq2
[20:19] <valorie> sick_rimmit: I'm reasonably sure neon has a package
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> https://github.com/MycroftAI/mycroft-core.git
 I love Neon, I really do, but some of their stuff is "package it and don't touch it"...
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> on 17.10 the Core won't build for me, the problem is with Python virtualenv
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> missing zlib.so.1
[20:20] <valorie> right, but plasma-mycroft
 @sick_rimmit, Hum
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> Hangon not finished
[20:20] <valorie> the other stuff isn't KDE software
[20:20] <valorie> this is
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> I'll grab the next link
 If y'all can find Neon's packaging, that'd be cool.
 doing krita ffe bug.....
[20:27] <valorie> my friend showed up for our meeting so I'll be busy elsewhere for awhile
 Does anyone find it important to get Qt Creator 4.6.0 or Gcompris-qt 0.90 in Bionic?
 @tsimonq2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krita/+bug/1760347
 @tsimonq2 please amend, if you feel appropriate
[20:29] <valorie> acheronuk: thank you! I know paperwork is not your most loved thing
[20:29] <valorie> anybody know if this https://phabricator.kde.org/T8177 got done?
[20:29] <sick_rimmit> tsimonq2: https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-mycroft.git/
 @acheronuk, Ack. I'll poke around next week.
[20:30] <sick_rimmit> This is not the one I was using today, but I can't find that. However, AIX states on his GitHub that this is now the latest and greatest
[20:31] <valorie> well, for plasma stuff, cgit is the latest and greatest
[20:31] <valorie> not github
[20:31] <valorie> which is only a mirror, and sometimes out-of-date
 @sick_rimmit, I'll package it tonight and give you something to play with tomorrow, then we can decide from there if it's ready?
 @valorie, nope. I can't test PLASMA_USE_QT_SCALING=1 thing, and it seems to me to be problematic
[20:32] <valorie> ah, ok
 what's the problem with it?
[20:33] <valorie> perhaps when you have a sec you can comment on it
 @nggraham, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1760319
 I don't know, and can't test though
 interesting, didn't see that in my own testing
 taking a look
 but maybe this is too buggy to turn on yet, especially for an LTS
 @nggraham, my instinct said that, even before seeing that bug. So if you want it in, you are going to have to prove that feeling wrong
 sounds like your instinct is right; let's not do it
 I'll do more upstream work first to see if we can kick it into shape
[20:37] <valorie> I edited the task  : Wait until 18.10; re-test
 ok :)
[20:39] <sick_rimmit> tsimonq2: That sounds excellent
[20:41] <valorie> @nggraham, any more progress on https://phabricator.kde.org/T7566 ?
[20:41] <valorie> backends for Discover
[20:41] <valorie> sounds very promising
 I wouldn't support changing the default backend, but I think we could turn on the Flatpak backend, at least. It's pretty stable.
[20:43] <valorie> I would love to see snaps/flatpacks/whats the other thing all offered
 what I think would be really awesome is to ship with the Kubuntu backports PPA added, but disabled, so people could go into Discover and turn it on with one click
[20:44] <valorie> how much testing was done though?
[20:44] <valorie> this is an LTS....
 on the flatpak backend?
[20:44] <valorie> yes
 a lot. I use it in 5.12 myself and report every bug I see, and there aren't many
[20:45] <valorie> or with the PPA added but disabled
[20:45] <valorie> the problem I see with the latter idea is that how does one do ppa-purge via discover?
[20:45] <valorie> and that is very occasionally necessary
 @valorie, actually now that I think about it, we can't do this because the UI for showing debian-based repos is still terrible in Discover
[20:46] <valorie> ok
 and yeah, DIscover can't do ppa-purge
[20:46] <valorie> so:  : Wait until 18.10; re-test
 @nggraham, not allowed
 not allowed?
 @acheronuk, Gray area
 I can ask the TB
[20:50] <valorie> so not much input on https://phabricator.kde.org/T7979
[20:50] <valorie> and might be a bit too late for this one
 Kylin and MATE *technically* do similar things.
 well it's moot anyway because even if it was allowed and disirable, Discover isn't ready yet
[20:50] <valorie> Use kicker by default for Application Launcher
 @valorie, yes please
[20:50] <valorie> we have lots to do for the Chronic Carrot
 Kicker is much better and more usable than Kickoff
 [09:02] <acheronuk> hi. is there an issue with flavours shipping a ppa sources list in /etc/apt/sources/ even if disabled by default? I vaguely recall this was a red line 'thou shall not cross', but could be wrong? … [09:02] <acheronuk> *sources.d/ … [09:10] <slangasek> acheronuk: why would you ship it if it's disabled by default?  But yes, it is a red line
 @acheronuk, I have an agenda item at the next TB meeting anyway, I'll ask.
 I would rather people have to deliberately add the source anyway. added by default, but diabled, suggests a level of support'ness (if that's a word) that it doesn't merit
[20:55] <valorie> we do often announce it, and how to add it
[20:55] <valorie> and I quite often link to that announcement in #kubuntu
[20:55] <valorie> or on the k-user list
[20:55] <valorie> so I'm with acheronuk on this one
 Ok
[20:56] <valorie> we usually or always mention ppa-purge just in case
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> Rebooting - brb
[20:57] <valorie> so, are we doing https://phabricator.kde.org/T7979 or not? too late to do it?
[20:57] <valorie> I can never remember the names
[20:57] <valorie> but I always change
 Kicker is the nice one :)
[20:58] <valorie> rofl
 Kickoff is the huge space-wasting one that doesn't switch tabs until 250msec of hover time, and makes you click on app categories to look at apps, and click again to go back
 You know what I've been keeping an eye on lately? … I encourage y'all to grab an ISO of Ubuntu MATE or Ubuntu Budgie, and check out their welcome center...
[20:59] <valorie> I don't like their color schemes but it is pretty nice
[20:59] <valorie> I helped with their beta1 tests
[20:59] <valorie> when ours were fudged
 I like kickoff, and the stealth branding it gives us :P
 heh
 we already get extra always-visible branding via the menu icon now though!
 plus it's a bit win10 (ish)
[21:01] <valorie> sec
 personally I would rather go with the familiar kickoff for the LTS, and again make a experimental switch for 18.10
[21:04] <valorie> hmmm, wonder where ahoneybun is?
 if we stay with kickoff, let's patch it to make the tabs instantly switch on hover instead of making you feel like your machine is crawling through molassas. I'm submitting a patch upstream now that we can cherry-pick if it's accepted (and I expect it to, as it seems popular among the plasma developers)
[21:05] <valorie> ok, so put on hold until 18.10?
 250ms ?????
 yup
 check out /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kickoff/contents/ui/FullRepresentation.qml on your machine
 try reducing that to like 15 and see how much it lowers your blood pressure :)
 can't actually say it has ever bothered me!
 you must be a tolerant soul
[21:07] <sick_rimmit> Just played with Kickoff - +1 for nggraham. It's really subtle and I never noticed, but now he points it out, I agree 
 Timer { …         id: clickTimer
[21:07] <mamarley> I usually just click on those buttons.
 an admirable trait, outside of UI criticism! 🤣
[21:07] <sick_rimmit> mamarley: Funny me too
[21:08] <valorie> i usually just use krunner
[21:08] <sick_rimmit> which is probably because of the delay
[21:08] <valorie> rare that I use either
 the menu has a limited form of KRunner inside it, actually
 its search *is* a KRunner search
[21:08] <valorie> cool
[21:09] <sick_rimmit> valorie: I wish I could get into the habit of using that, it would save me so much time
 but we can make it even better: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38276
[21:09] <valorie> alt+space and type
 oops, that's not the right bug...
[21:09] <valorie> for everything!
[21:09] <valorie> even simple addition, subtraction
[21:09] <valorie> esp useful for systemsettings
 This one: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382760
 that's on my to-do list, and then it just becomes "meta key and type"
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> OK, friends I got to go.. catch up tomorrow
[21:11] <valorie> but meta key+type doesn't work for subtraction
[21:11] <valorie> lol
[21:11] <valorie> sick_rimmit: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[21:11] <valorie> so good to see ya
 @sick_rimmit great to see you
[21:12] <valorie> have a wonderful easter
 bye bye!
[21:14] <valorie> so are we deciding on https://phabricator.kde.org/T7979 ?
[21:14] <valorie> or waiting
[21:16] <valorie> because the right-click for alternatives is not the most discoverable thing
[21:16] <valorie> so I imagine 90% of our users will stick with the default
[21:16] <valorie> if not more
 I don't see anything wrong with that :P
[21:17] <valorie> I don't feel strongly either way
[21:17] <valorie> but I always change it
[21:18] <valorie> to menu
 Well, I have both as I use a bottom and top panel. So have kickoff on the top one, and kicker on the bottom.
 I always change it too, but Kicker has problems of its own. I'm actually writing a new menu right now that's based on Eike Hein's SimpleMenu that I hope will be better than all of them
[21:18] <valorie> why on earth do they call it kickoff and kicker, and then in their own menu call it menu and launcher/
 Simplemenu gound be sooooooooooo good
 SimpleMenu is amazing
 but a bit *too* simple
[21:19] <valorie> ok, so lets wait until 18.10
 mine uses it as a base, but adds missing features. I call it SuperMenu :)
 Let me put it this way. I will change it, but ONLY if I am seriously outvoted! lol
 Lets at least get beat feedback
[21:21] <valorie> yes
[21:21] <valorie> so: https://phabricator.kde.org/T7911
[21:21] <valorie> Kubuntu should install PowerTOP and TLP and turn them on during installation
[21:22] <valorie> quite a few yes votes, yofel had a sobering message about testing
[21:22] <valorie> and I have to agree, I didn't see this in a PPA or so for testing
[21:22] <valorie> and so didn't test
 it's not in a PPA, it's abailable in the default repos
[21:23] <valorie> ah
[21:24] <valorie> well, a call for testing should have gone out
[21:24] <valorie> I didn't really notice this until now, sorry
 I just run laptops off the adapter 99% of the time, but the few time I have treid stuff like that before I got really ****y performance to get a few % more battery life
 but has been some years since I tried
[21:25] <valorie> I'm not willing to vote for it without more testing
 I use it on mine and it makes a difference in battery life. Gets me about an extra hour and a half, up to 8.5 hours
[21:25] <valorie> for the LTS
[21:25] <valorie> that's cool
[21:26] <valorie> let's put up a wiki page or even let people login to phab and give their feedback there
 if we are too push that on people by default, then we need a good case for it being of benefit to that majority, and no detriment to others
[21:26] <valorie> but this needs more than just a couple of testers
[21:27] <valorie> precisely
 yep
 ok. maybe back in a bit. maybe not. "good stuff" so far
[21:30] <valorie> ok, I'll be around
[21:33] <valorie> any progress recently on Replace Middle Click Paste on Desktop with Application Launcher ?
[21:33] <valorie> https://phabricator.kde.org/T7978
[21:34] <valorie> sounds like a stalemate
 bye guys, I'm off too for a while
[21:34] <valorie> @nggraham, LOL at your PM
[21:34] <valorie> ciao!
[21:38] <valorie> !info TLP
[21:38] <valorie> !info powertop
[21:43] <yofel> from what I saw, TLP had fairly sane defaults, so I could be convinced to seed that.
[21:43] <yofel> Powertop OTOH, while being a really useful CLI power usage reporting tool, isn't that useful for a general user. And turning on auto-tuning unconditionally is something I don't feel good about, as it changes kernel settings
[21:45] <valorie> ugh
[21:45] <valorie> thanks for speaking up about it yofel
[21:46] <valorie> did you see https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/better-battery-life-on-fedora-linux ?
[21:47] <valorie> Enabling auto-suspend for USB Bluetooth seems like a no-brainer, although bluetooth often seems buggy
[21:48] <valorie> dunno what Enabling auto-suspend for Intel HDA codecs would do or not do
[21:48] <valorie> same with 
[21:48] <valorie> Enabling SATA link PM by default
[21:48] <valorie> Enabling i915 Panel Self Refresh by default.
[21:49] <valorie> I remember trying powertop in the past and didn't see any effects at all, good or bad
[21:49] <valorie> but i''ll try it again on the travel lappy
[21:50] <valorie> this laptop is always plugged in
[21:50] <valorie> it's nvidia and battery life is bleah
[22:00] <valorie> ok, if we're all gone for now, so am I
[22:00] <valorie> :-)
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