[01:24] <R13ose> I heard KDE is not as good as gnome, is that true?
[01:26] <Unit193> Did a GNOME user tell you this?  KDE is a choice, it could be better for you but not as good for whoever else.
[01:28] <R13ose> I am unsure.  They said KDE is like Windows.
[01:29] <R13ose> I like KDE as that is what I started on with Linux way back
[01:30] <R13ose> Why did Ubuntu pick Gnome over KDE as the main one?
[01:31] <Unit193> KDE gives you much more control over your desktop configuration, so if Windows is more configurable than GNOME, I suppose "Yes", it's more like Windows...Otherwise, not sure how.
[01:34] <R13ose> ^
[01:44] <R13ose> Ya!!!
[02:58] <chcknrub> https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15119/why-is-it-so-much-easier-to-sin-than-follow-jesus
[03:02] <Unit193> chcknrub: Hello, this is a support channel for Kubuntu.  It's not the right platform for that.
[03:04] <chcknrub> coz it is a sin not to fix bug...
[03:04] <Unit193> No chcknrub, please don't do that here.
[03:05] <chcknrub> Happy Easter
[04:07] <redwhite> kde took the the thanking calander out how my i find that back in kde plasma over and out.
[04:07] <redwhite> spme told me happy easter
[04:27] <zczbd> Hello. I have 17.10 installed on my Dell 7559 with dual graphics. If safer mode is ENABLED, the laptop refuses to boot. I'm using Intel graphics with proprietary nvidia drivers
[04:28] <zczbd> All of them have been updated using the driver manager
[04:28] <zczbd> *DISABLED
[04:28] <zczbd> If safer mode is DISABLED the laptop refuses to boot. I thought it'd be the other way around
[04:29] <zczbd> How ever, I have to disable safe mode if I needed to use nvidia graphics
[04:31] <zczbd> SECURE BOOT dammit not safe mode
 @zczbd, I also have the Dell 7559 and it works working great, but require a few tricks.
[04:50] <zczbd> DarinMiller I followed this guide https://connorkuehl.github.io/dell-inspiron-7559-linux-guide/
[04:51] <zczbd> Except I didn't add any kernel parameters after installation as brightness keys worked out of the box
 zczbd, that is a good guide, but you only need nomodeset (not nomodeset i915_bpo.nomodeset=1 quiet splash) to boot and install the nvidia drivers.
[04:52] <zczbd> Yeah I've installed it successfully
[04:53] <zczbd> If I don't disable secure boot, it works fine
 Which driver?
[04:53] <zczbd> 384.111
 Oh. Checking mine for for secure status....
[04:53] <zczbd> Updated using driver manager
 I am currently using 390.42, but 384.11 should work fine.
[04:55] <zczbd> Are you using the proprietary firmware too? Also how much battery life do you get? I'm barely getting 2 hours :/
[04:55] <zczbd> In windows I got 4
[04:55] <zczbd> *intel microcode
 ahh, I am using UEFI with secure boot disabled.  If I remember correctly, the NVidia install insisted on disabling secure boot (but that was long ago and I left it that way ever since).  I was dual booting win10 while my daughter used it for school and win10 booted fine,  but now win10 is long gone.
 If I "sudo prime-select intel", I get 4 to 5hrs of battery.  I also have the 4k display so not sure how that factors.
[04:59] <zczbd> Oh my
[05:00] <zczbd> I always used to get unknown when I did prime select query
[05:00] <zczbd> Now I did prime select intel and now query returns intel
[05:00] <zczbd> I'll try rebooting now
 I do not have bumblebee installed as it was a little quirky last I tried.
[05:01] <zczbd> I'm not using that either
 I do not customize my grub command line either as recommended by that article.  Once the NVidia drivers are installed, the laptop behaves quite well.  However, awaking the laptop with NVidia drivers enabled sometime ends in a tailspin with video card "falling off the bus", but in Intel mode I never have waking issues.
[05:06] <zczbd> Ohh wtf my laptop is not booting
[05:06] <zczbd> I restarted it and now it skips the bios
[05:07] <zczbd> Okay now query returns unknown
 Skipping BIOS? It fails to prompt with F2 Setup, F12 boot options while displaying the Dell logo?
[05:08] <zczbd> Yup. The Dell logo flashes for barely half a second
[05:08] <zczbd> Are you using the proprietary Intel microcode?
[05:08] <zczbd> Now it booted
 Is nomodeset enabled in /etc/default/grub?  If so, remove it.  It is not needed once NVidia drivers are installed.
[05:11] <zczbd> No it's not there. I only used it for installation
 Since 17.04 and later, the default ubuntu kernels work fine so the Intel driver install as mentioned in the article are no longer necessary.
 I use this PPA to install the NVidia 390 drivers: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
 If I remember correctly, I had the same issue where prime-select was failing and re-installing the NVidia drivers fixed the problem.  Are you running the default kernel for 17.10?
[05:16] <zczbd> I'm not sure. I think I had a  kernel update
[05:17] <zczbd> Gah. I'll limp along with this and and do a clean install with 18.04
 Not running 4.16 beta kernel or something bleeding edge...correct?  Sometimes drivers don't play well with new releases.
[05:17] <zczbd> No
[05:18] <zczbd> I'll try reinstalling the drivers
 I am currently dual booting the laptop between 18.04 and Neon.  Both are working fine.  In fact, I swith to Intel mode to test Wayland.  On Neon, Wayland is progessing to the point where I sometime have to pull up system monitor to check which mode is running.
 FWIW, my BIOS version is 1.2.7 which matches the latest on the Dell website.
[09:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:54] <yehor> hi
[10:54] <jonathan_> bonjour a tous
[10:57] <redwhite> bonjour
[16:57] <metalbiker> hey guys i need some help
[16:58] <metalbiker> i'm wanting to try out the minimal installation of kubuntu and i want to install the muon discover center for software installation. how can i install it using terminal?
[16:59] <metalbiker> or at least install my necessary programs like libreoffice, thunderbird, etc.
[17:10] <mparillo> sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y discover
[17:12] <metalbiker> mparillo cool, thanks! i seriously need to learn the terminal so much better. smh
[17:12] <mparillo> What is nice about doing that in the terminal, then you up-arrow, and change discover to (say) kteatime and just hit enter.
[17:14] <metalbiker> is kteatime a software center as well?
[17:15] <mparillo> Oh, sorry, no, it is not.
[17:15] <mparillo> I was just illustrating that if you know your package name, it is much faster in the terminal.
[17:15] <mparillo> kteatime is a useful count-down timer.
[17:17] <metalbiker> mparillo: that's ok. i'm still learning even though i've used ubuntu for over 12 years now. lol and yeah, i'm really wanting to turn to the terminal a lot more these days in order to expand my knowledge as well.
[17:17] <mparillo> There is a widget, but I find it hard to manipulate it with only my track pad. But, the point is that software centers are great for showing you what you might like...the command line is great for getting what you know you need.
[17:19] <metalbiker> mparillo: thank you for the illustration of that. and yes, i agree with you. i just want to be able to get what i want that i use a lot.
[19:46] <stefano_> hi