[00:36] <mcm_> after installing slack with snap `sudo snap install slack --classic`, starting it with `slack` crashes xwayland.
[00:37] <mcm_> where should can i report the error?
[00:41] <Bashing-om> !bug | mcm_ 
[00:44] <mcm_> ubottu, but which package? wayland, snap, or slack. if slack are the bugs for snap packages reported?
[00:55] <tsimonq2> mcm_: snapd
[00:55] <tsimonq2> Snap bugs should be filed there, because the deb authors should not be responsible for snap bugs.
[00:58] <mcm_> tsimonq2, thanks.
[07:17]  * enyc meows
[07:17] <enyc> my 18.04-on-btrfs  when updated, broke itself...!
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> enyc: btrfs is still a not very good supported way, unreliable
[07:18] <enyc> the 18.04-on-ext4 and 16.04 and 14.04  in same VM are fine
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs
[07:38] <enyc> lotuspsychje: hrrm...  woneder why btrfs been declared stable kernel-level for a long time
[07:38] <enyc> i think i had a patched ext4 into something pre-10.04 once iirc hehe!
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> enyc: yes its not experimental anymore, but that doesnt mean its reliable for data yet
[07:39] <enyc> lotuspsychje: but with ext4  that was 'ext4dev'  until it seemed reliable, i thought
[07:39] <enyc> then became ext4
[07:39] <enyc> and there have been issues, but not so widespread
[07:40] <enyc> whereas, btrfs ... reports are  it  doesn't like full filesystem,  and  encryption/compression  cause issues.
[07:40] <enyc> even, for some reason, running over  luks  underpinning-compression
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> enyc: feel free to file a new !bug on btrfs/18.04?
[07:42] <enyc> lotuspsychje: hard to file a clear testcase other than "it broke - somehow!"
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> enyc: a bug is a bug, report your experience in detail could help the community
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> enyc: we might not have much users testing it :p
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> so could be usefull you bug it
[10:03] <sweb1> safely remove on USB storage like flash or external hdd is take very long time to affect. how can i report it ? Ubuntu 18.04 (development branch)
[10:04] <Faux> It's likely a bug in your desktop environment's stuff, so Gnome or Unity? Possibly "gvfs".
[10:08] <sweb1> i want to ensure this bug it's reported and in progress 
[10:10] <sweb1> i had another bug for my new laptop for booting when nvidia driver not installed... it's common bug cpu#3 stuck for 23s ... after i add nomodeset on grub and install the proprietary driver and reboot i dont need kernel flag ... 
[10:11] <sweb1> i buy new laptop and i want to test whole ubuntu 18.04 for test all functionally to report any problem ... 
[10:12] <Faux> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ has instructions on doing tests.
[10:13] <Faux> But is otherwise not super accessible to non-employees aiui.
[10:21] <flocculant> Faux: iso.qa.com is pretty much only non-employees using it 
[10:22] <Faux> I was assuming it was employee only as .. it doesn't let me log in to it. :)
[10:22] <Faux> I don't know nothin'.
[10:23] <flocculant> Faux: ubuntu sso login afaik
[10:24] <Faux> Yeah, I'm logged into SSO but the site tells me I'm not logged in and to bugger off.
[10:25] <flocculant> no idea then
[10:26] <flocculant> Faux: sometimes it doesn't like you not haveing an LP account - but I assume that's not the case
[10:26] <Faux> Nope.
[10:26] <flocculant> no idea then still ;)
[10:42] <acylon> when i try to run system monitor it fails
[10:42] <acylon> it does nothing if i choose the icon from 'show applications'
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> acylon: can you try launch from terminal to see errors?
[10:43] <acylon> and when i try it from terminal i get this:
[10:43] <acylon> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ gnome-system-monitor
[10:43] <acylon> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[10:43] <acylon> (gnome-system-monitor:7074): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[10:43] <acylon> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ 
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> acylon: graphics drivers installed correctly?
[10:43] <acylon> please forgive my unknowingness...
[10:43] <Faux> Is that from a graphical terminal, not from a vconsole?
[10:44] <acylon> i'm running off a live usb stick of bionic beaver how can i check ?
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> acylon: sudo lshw -C video
[10:44] <acylon> i'm booted into a gnome desktop environment and then i right clicked and chose 'launch terminal'
[10:44] <acylon> okbrb
[10:44] <Faux> Yeah.
[10:45] <acylon> it's a big long thing do you have a pastebin i should use or just do it here
[10:46] <acylon> *-display                 
[10:46] <acylon>        description: VGA compatible controller
[10:46] <acylon>        product: GM204 [GeForce GTX 970]
[10:46] <acylon>        vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
[10:46] <acylon>        physical id: 0
[10:46] <acylon>        bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> acylon: driver= ?
[10:47] <acylon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gzgQJ6r8Bm/
[10:48] <acylon> nouveau
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> are you on wayland or xorg acylon ?
[10:50] <acylon> plz hold
[10:50] <acylon> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[10:50] <acylon> ubuntu
[10:50] <acylon> that's what i'm seein but i know it can't be right lol so i gotta try to figure this out
[10:51] <acylon> i'm seein usr/sbin/gdm3 fromn /cat/default-displaymanager stuff
[10:52] <acylon> i think i'm on wayland
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> acylon: wayland could block launching gui programs
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> try the same on xorg please
[10:55] <acylon> i take it back i think i'mo n xorg
[10:55] <acylon> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ env | grep -i wayland gives no result 
[10:55] <acylon> and this ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[10:55] <acylon> x11
[11:00] <acylon> ty for your alls time i just wnated to tell yall that maybe there's somethin for you to look at regarding that stuff
[11:00] <acylon> cya guys
[16:48] <howarth> Anyone know why ubuntu doesn't default to LVM partitioning in bionic? I thought most other distros had switched to that.
[17:13] <alkisg> I think it defaulted to LVM in 8.04; can't say I liked that, too much trouble for no benefit to simple users
[17:15] <Faux> Why would simple users ever see it?
[17:25] <alkisg> Well, try dual booting with windows and doing some partition resize to make space....
[17:26] <Faux> LVM doesn't affect that at all? You can't resize ext4 or btrfs or xfs or etc. partitions from Windows?
[17:26] <alkisg> Sure, many windows tools support that
[17:27] <Faux> Oh, right. But not Windows.
[17:53] <lol768> error: write /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/bpf/snap.ubuntu-budgie-welcome.hook.install.bin.$randomCharacters: no space left on device
[17:53] <lol768> anyone seen this before when installing (inside VMware workstation 14 pro, if relevant)
[17:54] <lol768> (ubuntu-budgie-18.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso)
[17:55] <TJ-> lol768: "no space left on device" is pretty clear!
[17:55] <lol768> well sure :P
[17:55] <lol768> but there is space!
[17:55] <lol768> I am curious as to where /var/lib/ refers
[17:56] <lol768> but the hard disk for installation 50GB
[17:56] <lol768> * is
[17:56] <lol768> I do wonder is VMware's easy install is to blame
[17:57] <TJ-> lol768: maybe there's a separate block device/partition/LVM/ZFS volume for the /var/lib/snapd ?
[17:57] <TJ-> lol768: try "df -h" and "df -i" check there's free space/inodes
[17:58] <lol768> this is during installation, how do I get a terminal?
[17:59] <lol768> seems ctrl+alt+fX (where X != 1) just gives me a blank screen
[17:59] <TJ-> lol768: No idea; I don't use the 'install' option; whenever I use the GUI installer I use the 'Try Ubuntu' session so it's possible to do diagnostics
[17:59] <TJ-> the installer only runs a single tty usually
[19:26] <lol768> decent suggestion TJ-, but with easy install you don't get that option
[19:26] <lol768> I think I will try to manually install
[19:27] <TJ-> so not so 'easy' then?
[19:30] <lol768> Hahaha
[19:30] <lol768> it's VMware, life is rarely easy..
[21:43] <monery> ah there we go
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[21:44] <monery> lotuspsychje: my question is php related... I ran into an issue that seems is explained with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/php-mcrypt
[21:44] <monery> does that mean that ubuntu is going to be including a new php and I just have to wait?
[21:45] <monery> that is my assumption, I was hoping to maybe find someone that knew for certain...
[21:45] <TJ-> monery: upstream switched to a different library
[21:45] <monery> TJ- so just wait for the beta repositories to be build fully is solution?
[21:45] <monery> built
[21:46] <monery> no php-mcrypt means that the project stops sadly... Its amateur radio related so its not mission critical
[21:48] <TJ-> http://php.net/manual/en/migration71.deprecated.php
[21:49] <TJ-> monery: you could always manually install the PECL version https://pecl.php.net/package/mcrypt
[21:50] <monery> I am starting to learn to expect this from HAM code...
[21:50] <monery> HAMS seem to offer two options
[21:50] <monery> quick hack, UBER complex
[21:50] <TJ-> it was written a long time ago, with what was current at the time, but then not kept up-to-date.
[21:51] <monery> sadly this requires it...
[21:51] <monery> https://github.com/urlgrey/hsmm-pi
[21:51] <TJ-> so use the PECL package
[21:53] <monery> thx for your info TJ, i'll be looking into this. If you program and would like to take on an exciting challenge, let me know... until thx again and wish me luck
[21:54] <TJ-> I think I have enough challenges trying to keep up with fixing the bugs that Ubuntu creates!
[21:55] <monery> well work in the HAM section more. If I can help make this happen, I am pushing and trying to bring the word out for Software Defined Radio. Sadly my programming skills suck...
[21:57] <TJ-> I built an SDR-based directonal scanner a couple years ago, around a RasPi, 4" LCD and RTL chipset
[21:57] <monery> Doing a HF Transceiver around pi3 and 7 inch touch, but the software is a pain to use... rather just have a CLI tuner :P
[21:58] <monery> Quisk was for certain written by an engineer :P
[21:58] <monery> what were u scanning HF for btw
[21:58] <monery> looking for noise or transmissions
[22:01] <TJ-> I built a 2.4GHz scanner to do long-distance link detection and testing
[22:02] <TJ-> extremely directional 
[22:08] <tomreyn> there were vry good reasons to remove mcrypt https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mcrypt-viking-funeral
[22:09] <monery> TJ- HF is 3MHZ-30MHz 2.4GHz doesn't propagate like microwaves. with my frequency range, TCP packets can travel across town, across the country, across an ocean.... ultimate WiFi :P
[22:10] <monery> high frequency got its name when frequencies that we do broadcast FM on were considered unusable
[22:11] <monery> anything beyond say 50MHz was tough or impossible for awhile
[22:11] <monery> again thx for your infomation guys...
[22:11] <monery> tc
[22:16] <TJ-> ahhh, the innoncence of the non-engineer! lower frequency = more propogation, lower SN ratio, lower information content. Try loading even an average web page over a 3MHz HF link... I'll come back in 15 minutes to see if it's loaded :)