| daftykins | !trusty | 05:08 |
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| ubot5 | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) was the 20th release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ - CHECK FOR POINT RELEASES at http://releases.ubuntu.com - Release Info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes | 05:08 |
| ducasse | good morning, everyone | 06:44 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 06:50 |
| ducasse | good morning, lotuspsychje - how are you today? | 06:54 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse very good as its holiday! | 06:55 |
| lotuspsychje | hey xangua | 06:55 |
| xangua | Hey | 06:55 |
| xangua | Good midnight | 06:55 |
| ducasse | \o xangua | 06:56 |
| lotuspsychje | how are you today ducasse | 06:57 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: yay! :) i'm fine, thanks - got to go shopping groceries today as the shops will be closed for a few days again | 06:58 |
| lotuspsychje | aha! we did full fridge yesterday :p | 07:00 |
| lotuspsychje | all well EriC^^ ? | 07:04 |
| EriC^^ | yeah just woke up :D | 07:04 |
| EriC^^ | how's it going with you? | 07:04 |
| lotuspsychje | great, holidays yess | 07:05 |
| EriC^^ | awesome :D | 07:06 |
| lotuspsychje | ahhh coffee tastes so good | 07:34 |
| ducasse | hi EriC^^ - how are you? | 07:35 |
| EriC^^ | hi ducasse , good thanks you? | 07:35 |
| ducasse | all good here, EriC^^ - enjoying a quiet morning | 07:38 |
| EriC^^ | cool :) | 07:39 |
| lotuspsychje | did you guys read intel graphics tool has been depraced | 07:56 |
| lotuspsychje | as drivers got backed well from the Os itself | 07:58 |
| ducasse | i saw the article, but didn't really read it | 07:58 |
| lotuspsychje | !info pingus | 08:18 |
| ubot5 | pingus (source: pingus): Free Lemmings(TM) clone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.6-4 (artful), package size 652 kB, installed size 2222 kB | 08:18 |
| EriC^^ | nice | 08:21 |
| lotuspsychje | looks great | 08:21 |
| lotuspsychje | neat graphics & nostalgy haha | 08:24 |
| EriC^^ | :D | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl shower | 08:32 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 09:52 |
| lotuspsychje | hey BluesKaj | 10:37 |
| lotuspsychje | cool bionic got transfer integration on nautilus icon | 11:07 |
| lotuspsychje | !debian | iBurger21 | 11:12 |
| ubot5 | iBurger21: Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian - !Repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! | 11:12 |
| guiverc | iBurger21, #ubuntu is for Support questions only | 11:12 |
| lotuspsychje | iBurger21: as your on ubuntu here, we of course reccomend you use ubuntu | 11:12 |
| iBurger21 | I personally started using ubuntu for my servers because I noticed there are PPAs which sometimes fix things for me. | 11:13 |
| lotuspsychje | iBurger21: ubuntu is friendly in use for everyone | 11:13 |
| guiverc | Ubuntu has a looser policy on what can be included (ie. many non-free bins are included in the ubuntu iso when compared to debian - making installs easier | 11:13 |
| lotuspsychje | +1 guiverc | 11:13 |
| BluesKaj | Hey lotuspsychje, guiverc | 11:13 |
| lotuspsychje | hey mate | 11:13 |
| guiverc | free meaning freedom (debian terminology) ; non-free meaning no cost to use, but no freedom to view/change source etc | 11:13 |
| guiverc | Howdy BluesKaj lotuspsychje - hope ya both well. Happy Easter (Passover...) | 11:14 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx u2 happy EGG | 11:14 |
| iBurger21 | I know this maybe sounds stupid: but how do you guys recommend me to install Google Chrome? | 11:15 |
| iBurger21 | Add the PPA, yes or no? | 11:15 |
| iBurger21 | (that's the 1st I do on Linux now) | 11:15 |
| lotuspsychje | iBurger21: we have chromium-browser as alternate for ubuntu | 11:15 |
| iBurger21 | Sounds good | 11:15 |
| lotuspsychje | ttyl guys | 11:16 |
| iBurger21 | cheers | 11:16 |
| iBurger21 | ttyl | 11:16 |
| guiverc | iBurger21, i don't really use it, but a simple way is adding the ubuntu-mate welcome package (which includes the software-boutique) and selecting chrome from their. many non-standard software is listed in the boutique and ppa's are added automatically if required | 11:16 |
| BluesKaj | Happy Easter lotuspsychje, I just cut the cord to my sat service a couple of days ago ...I receive more tv chans on kodi than I can watch :-) | 11:16 |
| iBurger21 | Ahh that's amazing. If possible, I don't want to mess a lot with the system. | 11:16 |
| iBurger21 | (cus you risk fucking it up) | 11:16 |
| iBurger21 | Thanks guiverc | 11:16 |
| guiverc | it makes adding things like skysomething, dropsomething easy - as many common apps are there :) (and repos are safe/vetted) | 11:17 |
| BluesKaj | iBurger21, google chrome coes as a deb file if you download it from their site...and watch the language please | 11:17 |
| BluesKaj | comes | 11:18 |
| guiverc | ps: it works on any *ubuntu, just created by ubuntu-mate flavor... | 11:18 |
| iBurger21 | Ahh but ubuntu-mate is also gives you the Mate desktop. | 11:18 |
| iBurger21 | ^ gotta add the ubuntu welcome package, will do some research. | 11:19 |
| guiverc | one difference between ubuntu & debian is release date. both are ~two year releases (stable debian vs lts ubuntu), but you know when ubuntu is released (even year, april), you don't know when debian will be [released; ie. when its ready] | 11:19 |
| guiverc | the welcome package is just a welcome-intro app (plus software-boutique), and won't include anything else of the mate desktop... software-boutique was just packaged with welcome-app | 11:20 |
| guiverc | installing ubuntu-mate-welcome will only add welcome & software.boutique apps to other ubuntu's, no part of mate desktop will be added (unless you add it) | 11:21 |
| iBurger21 | i really like the new look of 18.04 | 11:22 |
| iBurger21 | ubuntu looks cool again | 11:22 |
| iBurger21 | one question: does the python package in ubuntu, come directly from debian? | 11:24 |
| guiverc | another advantage I guess with Ubuntu - from 12.04LTS (past EOL) you could switch to 12.04ESM for longer support; debian doesn't really have that security... | 11:25 |
| guiverc | re: python - i don't use python so no idea. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python & https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python would need me to check the maintainers to see.. i don't recognize names & not willing to spend time myself sorry. | 11:27 |
| iBurger21 | ill look into it, thanks | 11:27 |
| iBurger21 | python3-minimal | 11:29 |
| iBurger21 | https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python3-minimal | 11:29 |
| guiverc | generally ubuntu/canonical try to change minimal (to reduce maintenance costs) - in fact some of debian is maintained by canonical staff.. | 11:29 |
| iBurger21 | yes that's what the page says too | 11:29 |
| guiverc | http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/python3-defaults/python3-defaults_3.6.4-1/changelog -- nearly every email is @debian... | 11:30 |
| guiverc | (i had to go to 2009 to find first @ubuntu.com email in changelog..) | 11:32 |
| iBurger21 | wow that's a good thing | 11:32 |
| iBurger21 | (i can develop on ubuntu and deploy on debian) | 11:33 |
| iBurger21 | What I also appreciate about Ubuntu is that there a recent versions of Neovim included. | 11:47 |
| iBurger21 | Some stuff in Debian gets so old. It really takes a lot of time to get it all up to snuff. | 11:48 |
| guiverc | yes - ubuntu is mostly debian-testing (so its rarely as old as debian-stable), though i know many many folks who only ever used debian-testing (and thus see lesser older stuff)... hadn't seen neovim so thanks :) | 11:50 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| iBurger21 | the neovim completion manager is just plain brilliant | 13:33 |
| iBurger21 | https://github.com/roxma/nvim-completion-manager | 13:33 |
| lotuspsychje | whats going on with drivers lately, arent those suppose to keep stable when they work? | 14:36 |
| lotuspsychje | got 2 eth chipsets on xenial and bionic that worked fine, and after updates cant connect anymore | 14:37 |
| === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon | ||
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, which ones | 15:11 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: realtek & 3com https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248 | 15:12 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1755248 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network card does not connect anymore" [Undecided,New] | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: they worked fine month ago | 15:13 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome ppf | 15:21 |
| ppf | hi | 15:21 |
| ppf | wanna see what this chan is about :) | 15:21 |
| lotuspsychje | we discuss about latest stuff here to make #ubuntu support better | 15:21 |
| kostkon | like this one lol. windows just got demoted https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17179328/microsoft-windows-reorganization-future-2018 | 15:23 |
| lordievader | Does 3com still exist? | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: yeah yeah laugh at my old hardware | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: the other chipset was in a more recent laptop | 15:23 |
| lordievader | Thought that was one of those companies you only heard off from stories of the past. | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: if the driver was working amonth ago... | 15:24 |
| lordievader | Oh, it is actually true 🤣🤣🤣 | 15:24 |
| lotuspsychje | nice link kostkon | 15:25 |
| lordievader | And now? No device is detected? | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: yeah device is detected, driver active, just cant connect eth anymore, wifi works like a charm on both systems | 15:26 |
| lordievader | Through the network manager? What happens when you connect manually? | 15:28 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: yes via nm, when trying to click in icon eth it doesnt connect | 15:29 |
| ppf | what about using i[ | 15:31 |
| ppf | ip | 15:31 |
| lotuspsychje | ppf: didnt test that yet | 15:31 |
| lordievader | Yeah, that is what I meant with manually, just ip or dhclient. | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | my isp has dynamic ip | 15:32 |
| ppf | is this machine your router? | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | if ip was bad, wifi would not work neither right? | 15:32 |
| ppf | what's the network topology? | 15:33 |
| lordievader | You don't have a router between you and your isp? | 15:33 |
| ppf | lordievader: he talks about wifi, i bet he does ;) | 15:33 |
| lotuspsychje | ppf: no router, vdsl2 modem straightly connected | 15:33 |
| lordievader | With `ip` we mean the command from iproute2. | 15:33 |
| ppf | lotuspsychje: what're you connecting your wifi to then? | 15:34 |
| lotuspsychje | vdsl2===eth cable===laptop/desktop both systems got same isp | 15:34 |
| lotuspsychje | ppf: bot machines got wifi card also, working fine there | 15:34 |
| lotuspsychje | ppf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248 | 15:34 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1755248 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network card does not connect anymore" [Undecided,New] | 15:34 |
| ppf | lotuspsychje: there's no wifi AP in your topology graph | 15:35 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah both vdsl2 modems got wifi broadcast | 15:36 |
| ppf | wat | 15:36 |
| lotuspsychje | vdsl2 sagem modem + wifi | 15:37 |
| ppf | is it a router, a modem, or a 'wifi modem' you got from your asp? | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje | wifi modem | 15:37 |
| lordievader | Oh, they are probably one of those all in ones | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl dinner first mate | 15:37 |
| ppf | yeah, that's a router | 15:37 |
| ppf | so your isp doesn't matter | 15:37 |
| lordievader | Modem + router +WiFi | 15:37 |
| ppf | so, ifup your eth, and run dhclient | 15:38 |
| lordievader | Anyhow, try to connect manually. | 15:38 |
| lordievader | Don't blaim nm before you know nm is the problem 😉 | 15:38 |
| lotuspsychje | ok ill try, you guys got me thinking | 15:40 |
| Bashing-om | I got to run .. back in several hours . | 17:16 |
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