[05:08] <daftykins> !trusty
[06:44] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:54] <ducasse> good morning, lotuspsychje - how are you today?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse very good as its holiday!
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[06:55] <xangua> Hey
[06:55] <xangua> Good midnight
[06:56] <ducasse> \o xangua
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> how are you today ducasse
[06:58] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yay! :) i'm fine, thanks - got to go shopping groceries today as the shops will be closed for a few days again
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> aha! we did full fridge yesterday :p
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> all well EriC^^ ?
[07:04] <EriC^^> yeah just woke up :D
[07:04] <EriC^^> how's it going with you?
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> great, holidays yess
[07:06] <EriC^^> awesome :D
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> ahhh coffee tastes so good
[07:35] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ - how are you?
[07:35] <EriC^^> hi ducasse , good thanks you?
[07:38] <ducasse> all good here, EriC^^ - enjoying a quiet morning
[07:39] <EriC^^> cool  :)
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> did you guys read intel graphics tool has been depraced
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> as drivers got backed well from the Os itself
[07:58] <ducasse> i saw the article, but didn't really read it
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> !info pingus
[08:21] <EriC^^> nice
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> looks great
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> neat graphics & nostalgy haha
[08:27] <EriC^^> :D
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> bbl shower
[09:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> cool bionic got transfer integration on nautilus icon
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> !debian | iBurger21
[11:12] <guiverc> iBurger21, #ubuntu is for Support questions only
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> iBurger21: as your on ubuntu here, we of course reccomend you use ubuntu
[11:13] <iBurger21> I personally started using ubuntu for my servers because I noticed there are PPAs which sometimes fix things for me.
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> iBurger21: ubuntu is friendly in use for everyone
[11:13] <guiverc> Ubuntu has a looser policy on what can be included (ie. many non-free bins are included in the ubuntu iso when compared to debian - making installs easier
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> +1 guiverc
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje, guiverc
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> hey mate
[11:13] <guiverc> free meaning freedom (debian terminology) ; non-free meaning no cost to use, but no freedom to view/change source etc
[11:14] <guiverc> Howdy BluesKaj lotuspsychje - hope ya both well.   Happy Easter (Passover...)
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> tnx u2 happy EGG
[11:15] <iBurger21> I know this maybe sounds stupid: but how do you guys recommend me to install Google Chrome?
[11:15] <iBurger21> Add the PPA, yes or no?
[11:15] <iBurger21> (that's the 1st I do on Linux now)
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> iBurger21: we have chromium-browser as alternate for ubuntu
[11:15] <iBurger21> Sounds good
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> ttyl guys
[11:16] <iBurger21> cheers
[11:16] <iBurger21> ttyl
[11:16] <guiverc> iBurger21, i don't really use it, but a simple way is adding the ubuntu-mate welcome package (which includes the software-boutique) and selecting chrome from their. many non-standard software is listed in the boutique and ppa's are added automatically if required
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Happy Easter lotuspsychje, I just cut the cord to my sat service a couple of days ago ...I receive more tv chans on kodi than I can watch :-)
[11:16] <iBurger21> Ahh that's amazing. If possible, I don't want to mess a lot with the system.
[11:16] <iBurger21> (cus you risk fucking it up)
[11:16] <iBurger21> Thanks guiverc
[11:17] <guiverc> it makes adding things like skysomething, dropsomething easy - as many common apps are there :)  (and repos are safe/vetted)
[11:17] <BluesKaj> iBurger21, google chrome coes as a deb file if you download it from their site...and watch the language please
[11:18] <BluesKaj> comes
[11:18] <guiverc> ps: it works on any *ubuntu, just created by ubuntu-mate flavor...
[11:18] <iBurger21> Ahh but ubuntu-mate is also gives you the Mate desktop.
[11:19] <iBurger21> ^ gotta add the ubuntu welcome package, will do some research.
[11:19] <guiverc> one difference between ubuntu & debian is release date. both are ~two year releases (stable debian vs lts ubuntu), but you know when ubuntu is released (even year, april), you don't know when debian will be [released; ie. when its ready]
[11:20] <guiverc> the welcome package is just a welcome-intro app (plus software-boutique), and won't include anything else of the mate desktop... software-boutique was just packaged with welcome-app
[11:21] <guiverc> installing ubuntu-mate-welcome will only add welcome & software.boutique apps to other ubuntu's, no part of mate desktop will be added (unless you add it)
[11:22] <iBurger21> i really like the new look of 18.04
[11:22] <iBurger21> ubuntu looks cool again
[11:24] <iBurger21> one question: does the python package in ubuntu, come directly from debian?
[11:25] <guiverc> another advantage I guess with Ubuntu - from 12.04LTS (past EOL) you could switch to 12.04ESM for longer support; debian doesn't really have that security...
[11:27] <guiverc> re: python - i don't use python so no idea.  https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python &  https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python would need me to check the maintainers to see.. i don't recognize names & not willing to spend time myself sorry.
[11:27] <iBurger21> ill look into it, thanks
[11:29] <iBurger21> python3-minimal
[11:29] <iBurger21> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python3-minimal
[11:29] <guiverc> generally ubuntu/canonical try to change minimal (to reduce maintenance costs)  - in fact some of debian is maintained by canonical staff..
[11:29] <iBurger21> yes that's what the page says too
[11:30] <guiverc> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/python3-defaults/python3-defaults_3.6.4-1/changelog  -- nearly every email is @debian...
[11:32] <guiverc> (i had to go to 2009 to find first @ubuntu.com email in changelog..)
[11:32] <iBurger21> wow that's a good thing
[11:33] <iBurger21> (i can develop on ubuntu and deploy on debian)
[11:47] <iBurger21> What I also appreciate about Ubuntu is that there a recent versions of Neovim included.
[11:48] <iBurger21> Some stuff in Debian gets so old. It really takes a lot of time to get it all up to snuff.
[11:50] <guiverc> yes - ubuntu is mostly debian-testing (so its rarely as old as debian-stable), though i know many many folks who only ever used debian-testing  (and thus see lesser older stuff)...  hadn't seen neovim so thanks :)
[13:33] <iBurger21> the neovim completion manager is just plain brilliant
[13:33] <iBurger21> https://github.com/roxma/nvim-completion-manager
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> whats going on with drivers lately, arent those suppose to keep stable when they work?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> got 2 eth chipsets on xenial and bionic that worked fine, and after updates cant connect anymore
[15:11] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, which ones
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: realtek & 3com https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: they worked fine month ago
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome ppf
[15:21] <ppf> hi
[15:21] <ppf> wanna see what this chan is about :)
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> we discuss about latest stuff here to make #ubuntu support better
[15:23] <kostkon> like this one lol. windows just got demoted https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17179328/microsoft-windows-reorganization-future-2018
[15:23] <lordievader> Does 3com still exist?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yeah yeah laugh at my old hardware
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: the other chipset was in a more recent laptop
[15:23] <lordievader> Thought that was one of those companies you only heard off from stories of the past.
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: if the driver was working amonth ago...
[15:24] <lordievader> Oh, it is actually true 🤣🤣🤣
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> nice link kostkon
[15:26] <lordievader> And now? No device is detected?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yeah device is detected, driver active, just cant connect eth anymore, wifi works like a charm on both systems
[15:28] <lordievader> Through the network manager? What happens when you connect manually?
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yes via nm, when trying to click in icon eth it doesnt connect
[15:31] <ppf> what about using i[
[15:31] <ppf> ip
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> ppf: didnt test that yet
[15:32] <lordievader> Yeah, that is what I meant with manually, just ip or dhclient.
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> my isp has dynamic ip
[15:32] <ppf> is this machine your router?
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> if ip was bad, wifi would not work neither right?
[15:33] <ppf> what's the network topology?
[15:33] <lordievader> You don't have a router between you and your isp?
[15:33] <ppf> lordievader: he talks about wifi, i bet he does ;)
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> ppf: no router, vdsl2 modem straightly connected
[15:33] <lordievader> With `ip` we mean the command from iproute2.
[15:34] <ppf> lotuspsychje: what're you connecting your wifi to then?
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> vdsl2[15:34] <lotuspsychje> ppf: bot machines got wifi card also, working fine there
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> ppf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248
[15:35] <ppf> lotuspsychje: there's no wifi AP in your topology graph
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah both vdsl2 modems got wifi broadcast
[15:36] <ppf> wat
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> vdsl2 sagem modem + wifi
[15:37] <ppf> is it a router, a modem, or a 'wifi modem' you got from your asp?
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> wifi modem
[15:37] <lordievader> Oh, they are probably one of those all in ones
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinner first mate
[15:37] <ppf> yeah, that's a router
[15:37] <ppf> so your isp doesn't matter
[15:37] <lordievader> Modem + router +WiFi
[15:38] <ppf> so, ifup your eth, and run dhclient
[15:38] <lordievader> Anyhow, try to connect manually.
[15:38] <lordievader> Don't blaim nm before you know nm is the problem 😉
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> ok ill try, you guys got me thinking
[17:16] <Bashing-om> I got to run .. back in several hours .