[05:08] !trusty [05:08] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) was the 20th release of Ubuntu. Download at http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ - CHECK FOR POINT RELEASES at http://releases.ubuntu.com - Release Info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes [06:44] good morning, everyone [06:50] good morning to all [06:54] good morning, lotuspsychje - how are you today? [06:55] hey ducasse very good as its holiday! [06:55] hey xangua [06:55] Hey [06:55] Good midnight [06:56] \o xangua [06:57] how are you today ducasse [06:58] lotuspsychje: yay! :) i'm fine, thanks - got to go shopping groceries today as the shops will be closed for a few days again [07:00] aha! we did full fridge yesterday :p [07:04] all well EriC^^ ? [07:04] yeah just woke up :D [07:04] how's it going with you? [07:05] great, holidays yess [07:06] awesome :D [07:34] ahhh coffee tastes so good [07:35] hi EriC^^ - how are you? [07:35] hi ducasse , good thanks you? [07:38] all good here, EriC^^ - enjoying a quiet morning [07:39] cool :) [07:56] did you guys read intel graphics tool has been depraced [07:58] as drivers got backed well from the Os itself [07:58] i saw the article, but didn't really read it [08:18] !info pingus [08:18] pingus (source: pingus): Free Lemmings(TM) clone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.6-4 (artful), package size 652 kB, installed size 2222 kB [08:21] nice [08:21] looks great [08:24] neat graphics & nostalgy haha [08:27] :D [08:32] bbl shower [09:52] Hi folks [10:37] hey BluesKaj [11:07] cool bionic got transfer integration on nautilus icon [11:12] !debian | iBurger21 [11:12] iBurger21: Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian - !Repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! [11:12] iBurger21, #ubuntu is for Support questions only [11:12] iBurger21: as your on ubuntu here, we of course reccomend you use ubuntu [11:13] I personally started using ubuntu for my servers because I noticed there are PPAs which sometimes fix things for me. [11:13] iBurger21: ubuntu is friendly in use for everyone [11:13] Ubuntu has a looser policy on what can be included (ie. many non-free bins are included in the ubuntu iso when compared to debian - making installs easier [11:13] +1 guiverc [11:13] Hey lotuspsychje, guiverc [11:13] hey mate [11:13] free meaning freedom (debian terminology) ; non-free meaning no cost to use, but no freedom to view/change source etc [11:14] Howdy BluesKaj lotuspsychje - hope ya both well. Happy Easter (Passover...) [11:14] tnx u2 happy EGG [11:15] I know this maybe sounds stupid: but how do you guys recommend me to install Google Chrome? [11:15] Add the PPA, yes or no? [11:15] (that's the 1st I do on Linux now) [11:15] iBurger21: we have chromium-browser as alternate for ubuntu [11:15] Sounds good [11:16] ttyl guys [11:16] cheers [11:16] ttyl [11:16] iBurger21, i don't really use it, but a simple way is adding the ubuntu-mate welcome package (which includes the software-boutique) and selecting chrome from their. many non-standard software is listed in the boutique and ppa's are added automatically if required [11:16] Happy Easter lotuspsychje, I just cut the cord to my sat service a couple of days ago ...I receive more tv chans on kodi than I can watch :-) [11:16] Ahh that's amazing. If possible, I don't want to mess a lot with the system. [11:16] (cus you risk fucking it up) [11:16] Thanks guiverc [11:17] it makes adding things like skysomething, dropsomething easy - as many common apps are there :) (and repos are safe/vetted) [11:17] iBurger21, google chrome coes as a deb file if you download it from their site...and watch the language please [11:18] comes [11:18] ps: it works on any *ubuntu, just created by ubuntu-mate flavor... [11:18] Ahh but ubuntu-mate is also gives you the Mate desktop. [11:19] ^ gotta add the ubuntu welcome package, will do some research. [11:19] one difference between ubuntu & debian is release date. both are ~two year releases (stable debian vs lts ubuntu), but you know when ubuntu is released (even year, april), you don't know when debian will be [released; ie. when its ready] [11:20] the welcome package is just a welcome-intro app (plus software-boutique), and won't include anything else of the mate desktop... software-boutique was just packaged with welcome-app [11:21] installing ubuntu-mate-welcome will only add welcome & software.boutique apps to other ubuntu's, no part of mate desktop will be added (unless you add it) [11:22] i really like the new look of 18.04 [11:22] ubuntu looks cool again [11:24] one question: does the python package in ubuntu, come directly from debian? [11:25] another advantage I guess with Ubuntu - from 12.04LTS (past EOL) you could switch to 12.04ESM for longer support; debian doesn't really have that security... [11:27] re: python - i don't use python so no idea. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python & https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python would need me to check the maintainers to see.. i don't recognize names & not willing to spend time myself sorry. [11:27] ill look into it, thanks [11:29] python3-minimal [11:29] https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python3-minimal [11:29] generally ubuntu/canonical try to change minimal (to reduce maintenance costs) - in fact some of debian is maintained by canonical staff.. [11:29] yes that's what the page says too [11:30] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/python3-defaults/python3-defaults_3.6.4-1/changelog -- nearly every email is @debian... [11:32] (i had to go to 2009 to find first @ubuntu.com email in changelog..) [11:32] wow that's a good thing [11:33] (i can develop on ubuntu and deploy on debian) [11:47] What I also appreciate about Ubuntu is that there a recent versions of Neovim included. [11:48] Some stuff in Debian gets so old. It really takes a lot of time to get it all up to snuff. [11:50] yes - ubuntu is mostly debian-testing (so its rarely as old as debian-stable), though i know many many folks who only ever used debian-testing (and thus see lesser older stuff)... hadn't seen neovim so thanks :) === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [13:33] the neovim completion manager is just plain brilliant [13:33] https://github.com/roxma/nvim-completion-manager [14:36] whats going on with drivers lately, arent those suppose to keep stable when they work? [14:37] got 2 eth chipsets on xenial and bionic that worked fine, and after updates cant connect anymore === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [15:11] lotuspsychje, which ones [15:12] kostkon: realtek & 3com https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248 [15:12] Ubuntu bug 1755248 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network card does not connect anymore" [Undecided,New] [15:13] kostkon: they worked fine month ago [15:21] welcome ppf [15:21] hi [15:21] wanna see what this chan is about :) [15:21] we discuss about latest stuff here to make #ubuntu support better [15:23] like this one lol. windows just got demoted https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17179328/microsoft-windows-reorganization-future-2018 [15:23] Does 3com still exist? [15:23] lordievader: yeah yeah laugh at my old hardware [15:23] lordievader: the other chipset was in a more recent laptop [15:23] Thought that was one of those companies you only heard off from stories of the past. [15:24] lordievader: if the driver was working amonth ago... [15:24] Oh, it is actually true 🤣🤣🤣 [15:25] nice link kostkon [15:26] And now? No device is detected? [15:26] lordievader: yeah device is detected, driver active, just cant connect eth anymore, wifi works like a charm on both systems [15:28] Through the network manager? What happens when you connect manually? [15:29] lordievader: yes via nm, when trying to click in icon eth it doesnt connect [15:31] what about using i[ [15:31] ip [15:31] ppf: didnt test that yet [15:32] Yeah, that is what I meant with manually, just ip or dhclient. [15:32] my isp has dynamic ip [15:32] is this machine your router? [15:32] if ip was bad, wifi would not work neither right? [15:33] what's the network topology? [15:33] You don't have a router between you and your isp? [15:33] lordievader: he talks about wifi, i bet he does ;) [15:33] ppf: no router, vdsl2 modem straightly connected [15:33] With `ip` we mean the command from iproute2. [15:34] lotuspsychje: what're you connecting your wifi to then? [15:34] vdsl2===eth cable===laptop/desktop both systems got same isp [15:34] ppf: bot machines got wifi card also, working fine there [15:34] ppf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1755248 [15:34] Ubuntu bug 1755248 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network card does not connect anymore" [Undecided,New] [15:35] lotuspsychje: there's no wifi AP in your topology graph [15:36] yeah both vdsl2 modems got wifi broadcast [15:36] wat [15:37] vdsl2 sagem modem + wifi [15:37] is it a router, a modem, or a 'wifi modem' you got from your asp? [15:37] wifi modem [15:37] Oh, they are probably one of those all in ones [15:37] bbl dinner first mate [15:37] yeah, that's a router [15:37] so your isp doesn't matter [15:37] Modem + router +WiFi [15:38] so, ifup your eth, and run dhclient [15:38] Anyhow, try to connect manually. [15:38] Don't blaim nm before you know nm is the problem 😉 [15:40] ok ill try, you guys got me thinking [17:16] I got to run .. back in several hours .