[00:06] agio: installing to persistent storage will not only provide persistence, so you can keep configuration changes (such as workarounds to this issue) across reboots, it also provides notably better performance than the live install. plus you get a fully (security) patched system (the live install is only patched when it is released, not afterwards unless you install patches manually, but this wont work for kernel patches). [00:07] agio: you see there are several good reasons to use a persistent installation, whereas i see very few to none for using the live install generally. [00:07] If I wanted to upgrade the the chipset firmware for my laptop's PCI connected wireless device - how would I do that ? I can't `aptitude install ' can I? [00:08] really the only reason i can think of is testing things, but you said you're using it for many days or a month now? i asked before why you do this, you did not answer, so i won't (directly) ask again. === mkv is now known as m4v [00:10] tomreyn: ah yes, I remember you asking - you said maybe you could suggest a better way of achieving what I was trying to do rather than a live USB. sorry I didn't fully answer. [00:10] agio: there is the linux-firmware package which provides firmware for many devices (i have not checked whether it provides firmware for yours, yet). it gets updates occasionally. if you want even newer firmware or firmware that is not available in this package, you'll need to manually find it somehow and place it somewhere in /lib/firmware [00:11] agio: no problem. i assumed you had privacy related reasons not to discuss it. [00:12] but if that were the case i'd rather run TAILS or similar. === compdoc_ is now known as compdoc [00:14] tomreyn: the basic reason I am using the live USB is that I am just trying to test stuff. e.g. laptop timeout settings e.g. how long it waits till it suspends. also getting versions of the software I want right before I actually commit to an install. because its harder to change then. e.g the lastest firefox doesn't support the plugins im used to etc. The live USB lets me try stuff. revert to the older [00:14] version etc [00:17] tomreyn: no, no privacy reasons. only reason I didn't answer your question earlier was I got a bit sidetracked trying to get my syslog off the broken computer and up to a pastebin! [00:23] tomreyn: I see on the broken laptop there is a new version of the linux-firmware listed in its apt-cache - its on 1.157.11 and there is a 1.157.17 available? is firmware typically the cause of network manager/wifi problems? [00:24] agio: i see. well if you want a way to quickly reset things then you should use either snapshotting (a very handy feature LVM2 supports), a versioning system (such as git) or a rapid software deployment solution such as docker. wroking within a full VM with virtualbox and its snapshotting mechanism is also an option. [00:24] the latter is probably the most easy to grasp approach in case you're not into the others, yet. [00:25] agio: "is firmware typically the cause of network manager/wifi problems?" - > not neccessarily, but it can well be (i think it often is, but then there can also be bugs, regressions etc.). [00:26] when you say "snapshotting" is that kind of like saving a "clone" of the hard disk - and then re-copying the clone/snapshot to "re-install" ? [00:27] agio: it is my impression that the wireless chipset you have there was never really well supported. there are others which work better and provide more features and performance. [00:27] but im stuck with that wireless chipset right? [00:27] unless I get another computer? [00:27] unless oyu acquire a different one, i guess so. [00:27] you can always attach one via usb [00:28] or if the casing allows for it, replace the wireless module [00:28] hmmm. interesting.. [00:29] when i said "snapshotting" i was referring to 'freezing' a complete file systems' state, and keeping this state while continuing to work based on it and possible create further snapshots as you go. [00:29] this way you can create a timeline and always goback to a certain point where you created a snapshot. [00:30] kind of like a git history? [00:30] kind of, yes. [00:31] since you seem to have come across git, you could also use this to preserve states of configuration files. such as those of firefox. [00:31] the problem with that is when I change something - and I didn't know it at the time but it broke something else - how do I get back to the good state ? I dont know which snapshot to use? === mkv is now known as m4v [00:33] I mean the problem with snapshots/disk imaging/cloning/ or containers is they can capture the bad/misconfigured/hacked stuff [00:34] or versions of software that you can't uninstall or downgrade [00:34] yes you could revert back to a snapshot of a month ago - but then you lose too much work/state etc [00:35] agio: so take snapshots regularly (and delete outdated ones regularly). [00:35] agio: and before you revert you can backup any data you still need. you can also store all your data in a different location that the configuration, in fact you should. [00:35] my current approach is I use ansible and shell scripts to install and configure new machines - and then manage things like say firefox configs etc mostly from within the ansible git repository [00:36] not the actual reason i'm here, but is there an easy way to figure out how a 2gbinstall managed take up a 32gb drive? [00:36] agio: just for yourself? doh, you are the most structured person i know of, i guess. [00:38] tomreyn: I re-use alot of the ansible/install scripts between my ubuntu laptop and ubuntu servers I manage - its a big advantage of ubuntu in my experience [00:38] agio: i guess ansible is great when it comes to deploying systems for the first time, but it's not as great when you want to apply specific configurations (or configuration changes) to an existing system. i prefer puppet for this. [00:39] others would say salt stack, chef etc. [00:41] so you mean like it you wanted to apply a variation to a system config? Im pretty new to ansible - mostly used shell scripts in the past - but at least compared to shell scripts ansible works for me for re-applying configs to an existing machine [00:41] Deetster: depends a bit on how you partitioned and which file systems you created there and where you mount them to. lsblk and "df -h" should hint on this. and then there is "du -schx /*" and "du -schx /var/*" etc to get a better idea of where the data is in use. [00:42] Deetster: or install baobab for a graphical / GUI take on this [00:43] agio: re-applying the same configuration generally, yes. but for making fine-grained changes / merging etc. i think puppet is better. [00:45] agio: you must have a software developer background or similar, since you ar einto git and a little into ansible and deployment in general, but have not considered to replace your wireless module (something a system administrator or hardware person would probably have considered). [00:46] tomreyn: cool. I should take a look at puppet. yeah, Im a web develper mostly - not systems /hardware. when I gave you the [nnnn:nnnn] number output from the `lspci -nn' command earlier did you do a lookup to find out about the chipset and history of bugs etc. I would be interested to know which service/site you used? [00:49] agio: it is called "web search". many people would say "google", ;-) [00:50] you just put these ids in quotation marks, add "linux" and there you go [00:51] some long term system administration background or a certain understanding of how the kernel, kernel modules and the common user space software play together helps a lot, though. [00:51] (in dissecting the information) [00:52] tomreyn: lol, fair enough. I thought there may have been some feature on launchpad bug tracker or ubuntu web search or something [00:53] tomreyn: i'll try that [00:58] agio: i'm not aware of any such features (but it doesn't rule it out). there are databases which resolve these IDs to names. your computer has a copy of those which can be updated using the update-pciids and update-usbids commands. but this doesn't improve the driver support, just the presentation / naming of things in the output produced by utilities such as lspci and lsusb [00:58] tomreyn: in terms of generally stability for the testing of system setups etc - where say you need the system to remain up for say about a week - would you recommend the live USB? I'm finding the live USB is stable enough to last a few days typically - then I run into some issue like this wifi problem - or it doesn't resume from suspend etc. If I make sure all packages are at latest (apt-get dist-upgrade) [00:58] and use the latest installer (e.g. 16.04.5) is it reasonable to use the live USB for what Im doing? or were the live USB's only designed for a quick 45minute tour of the desktop to decide if you like it? and ubuntu dont really expect the live USB's to be any more stable than that? [00:59] what manner of nonsense is this. steam with a single game installed in 20gb? [00:59] the live usb's are really only designed for the quick tour, and to recover your broken persistent installtions. [01:01] agio: ^ for repeatedly bootstrapping a system you'll use for days or weeks i would surely recommend setting up a fully automated deployment mechanism. [01:02] like? [01:04] agio: the easy way to install ubuntu fully automated is called "preseeding" ("preseed") where you boot off the network and have the installer run automatically, setting up the system based on parameters you provided on a configuration file (stored on a different computer on your network). and then you could deply your configurations there using ansible. [01:04] *deplOy [01:04] ...or using git. [01:06] !preseed [01:06] :-/ doesn't exist [01:07] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apbs02.html [01:07] "boot off the network" --> does that mean when I first boot - I enter BIOS custom boot menu and choose "boot from network" ? where does the MBR / partition table/ grubloader etc come from ? I wouldn't have wifi access ? would I need to have ethernet/wired connection to internet? [01:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apb.html [01:10] agio: right, you'd set your bios / uefi to "boot from network" and set up a "tftp" server (a very simple ftp-like server) on another computer in your LAN to host the installer kernel and the preseed configuration file, as well as a little dhcp server (which assigns ip addresses automatically etc.). those files from the tfpt server are then loaded by the newly booted 'test' system automatically. [01:11] and then it runs the installer fully automated, which only takes a few minutes. [01:11] part of the installation is to write the MBR / install grub. [01:11] ah thats the point of the preseed file? is to provide all that info which normally a full system could get at - but because at this point the system hasn't fully bootstrapped it has to get info from a "special file in the preseed format?" [01:12] tomreyn: that program was great. had no idea that i managed to download that much on steam workshop (mostly because i downloaded it all from a different computer) [01:12] now i'm going to reboot and see if my SD card reader comes back, since it worked before installing steam [01:14] agio: exactly [01:15] agio: here's an example preseed file someone posted here the other day: https://pastebin.com/raw/S2BBwKuH [01:17] well that didn't work. its been too long since i was on ubuntu, i dont remember how to do anything xD [01:17] SD card reader worked the other day, stopped working for no apparent reason. card works in other computers [01:27] hi [01:27] im new to bash scripting [01:28] can anyone guide me on using `diff -u` on two files, why i see some lines without `+` or `-` meaning they are present in both the files [01:29] any help would be appreciated [01:31] zeus__: yes, lines starting without + or - are just shown to provide context. they are the same in both files. [01:32] is there a way i can remove them from the output [01:33] zeus__: you could grep just the lines starting with + or -, or you could just use diff without -u [01:34] oh yes, i didnt thought about grep. thanks alot [01:35] to filter the output through grep, you would add something along the lines of: | grep '^[-+]' [01:36] agio: FWIW, i just looked at your kernel log (it's full of errors because of the nature of the live install, many files cannot be written to disk). It contains this line: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin [01:37] im doing it now [01:37] agio: so that's the firmware your wireless adapter uses. [01:38] this is installed as part of the linux-firmware package [01:39] can i paste a line of code here? [01:39] zeus__: one line yes, many lines, no [01:39] !paste [01:39] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [01:40] Dif="$(diff -u "a" "b" | grep '^[-+])" [01:40] unexpected EOF error [01:41] how can i properly grep it and save it to this var [01:42] agio: and here's a bug report which discusses the issue of connection drops for this chipset, and where a newer (?) firmware of unknown origin (?) is provided for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1454843/ [01:42] Launchpad bug 1454843 in linux (Ubuntu) "10ec:b723 Realtek RTL8723BE wireless card drops connection" [Medium,Triaged] [01:43] zeus__: Dif="$(diff -u "a" "b" | grep '^[-+]')" [01:43] zeus__: just dont cut off the trailing single quote ;) [01:45] oh im soo noob at this :) [01:45] zeus__: assigning multi-line values to a variable does not always provide the inteded effects, however. you *may* need to dump it to a temporary file and read from it later. [01:46] zeus__: everybody makes those mistakes which is why people who develop software usually use editors which provide syntax coloring, and why mature scripting and programming language provide better error output. [01:48] thats the thing which i love about this community :) Prob the best support [01:49] the lines starting with `+' , and `-' represent the differences not the context. [01:49] for bash, #bash is a lot better, plus they have a better quote db than ubottus. [01:49] agio: correct. [01:52] if [! -z "$DIF" ] Does this mean if the var Dif is empty === handleV3 is now known as handlebar === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:53] what im trying to do is to collect the diff in a variable, and if there is some changes, print the changes [01:54] and overwrite the file with original text ( which was before it getting changed) [01:58] tomreyn: nice find on the kernel log output and bug report - Im just reading it and testing on my laptop now. One thing I do like about all the hardware in this laptop with the wifi problem (lenovo edge) is that I don't need any packages out of restricted -the entire system seems comprised only from main and universe [01:58] echo lines=$(echo $DIF | wc -l)", storing the number of lines returned. then [ $lines -gt 9 ] && echo "there is a difference:"; echo $dif [01:58] zeus__: ^ [02:00] agio: right, except, of course, the binary firmware blobs are effectively unmaintained, since they are proprietary code which (more or less) nobody understands but the company developing the hardware. [02:03] $lines -gt 9 what dies this command do ? [02:03] zeus__: look into inotify / incron if you would like to have the kernel notify (and spawn) your scripts when files change === gr33n7007h is now known as al2o3-cr [02:03] which firmware binaries? out of universe/main? - I thought to be in main/universe the code had to be open source + persmissive licences? [02:04] zeus__: do you have man pages (package "man-db") installed ? if so, run "man test" to learn about -gt [02:04] agio: those in the linux-firmware package. === renatos is now known as infern0s [02:06] tomreyn: but `apt-cache policy linux-firmware' shows linux-firmware comes out of main - thats supported open source right? [02:06] agio: i dont think the code in main/universe has to always be open source + permissive licences. other distributions handle it this way, ubuntu is maybe not as strict. i am not sure about the exact policies there. [02:07] i didnt knew about it, theres alot of good info, thanks alot :0 [02:09] I think thats what restricted is for - yes ubuntu will "comprimise" and enable installs of non-free software as part of the default OS config - but only hardware drivers and only if there is no other way a user could install ubuntu [02:12] agio: see the files in /usr/share/doc/linux-firmware/ for details on licensing and copyrights. [02:12] and restricted is supported (to the extent that ubuntu can support closed-source proprietary code ) [02:14] zeus__: there is also "man bash" if you have a couple hours ;) [02:17] huh, Im reading /usr/share/doc/linux-firmware/LICNECE.realtek firmware.txt - and it does seem it only allows redistributing binaries only? and no reverse engineering etc - thats totatlly not free - why isn't it in restricted or multiverse? === Israphel is now known as Guest94452 [02:19] i do not know the exact policies which apply to the sections (main, universe, multiverse). the only distinction i know is about security support. 'main' gets full security support by the ubuntu secrutiy team. === Israphel_ is now known as Israphel [02:23] yeah, I think main does - for sure - get security support - so does restricted (but it must surely be limited) and so does canonical partners - but again that must surely be limited as "partners" is closed-source propritary code [02:31] i would be interested in how other people would explain it. that it is in main strikes me as wrong, too, and that's why i brought it up initially. i do, however, acknowledge the (sad) reality that a lot of hardware devices require those blobs to work properly. including our cpus. and i do appreciate the fact that getting things to work is easy with ubuntu. [02:38] [ $lines -gt 9 ] && echo "theres a dif"; this line the echo doesnt seem to work [02:39] zeus__: i think i mean -gt 0 [02:39] not -gt 9 [02:42] ok [02:44] zeus__: thinking again, it's possible that you may always have one line of output [02:45] yeah, but isn't that what "restricted" is for? - its the "component" of apt repository for those packages - which we have to just live with as closed - for example - this laptop which Im IRC'ing on - has the intel-microcode package - which I understand is akind of dynamically loaded firmware -"intel-microcode" is in restricted [02:45] ...a minimum of [02:46] it applies on one line of output [02:47] agio: for me, the latest version of intel-microcode is in main, not restricted [02:49] !info intel-microcode [02:49] intel-microcode (source: intel-microcode): Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs. In component main, is extra. Version 3.20180312.0~ubuntu17.10.1 (artful), package size 1254 kB, installed size 1757 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; x32) [02:51] Does anyone know what 'grub-install: error: disk `md0' not found' means? [02:51] I've setup raid 1. [02:51] tomreyn: ah same here no that I look at it: the original package in the release "pocket" v 3.20151106.1 was in "restricted" but now version 3.20180108.0 is in "main" weird... [02:53] cuddylier: it means that there is no dask called md0. which is probabyl correct. [02:53] *disk [02:53] cuddylier: what were you running? [02:54] or rather: which command produced this output? [02:54] tomreyn: I ran 'grub-install /dev/sda' [02:54] And grub-install /dev/sdc produces the same output (the two drives in the raid 1 array) [02:57] cuddylier: hmm, that's interesting, i'm not sure what's happening there. can you shouw "lsblk" output? [03:02] cuddylier: also, which ubuntu release is this? [03:02] Just getting the output of that command atm and Ubuntu 16.04 [03:04] 16.04 .0, .1, .2, .3, .4 or .5? [03:04] lsb_release -ds [03:04] 16.04.3 [03:05] then patch the system and try again [03:05] Right now I've just got it in a rescue mode as I couldn't boot it fully due to lack of grub. [03:06] tomreyn: lsblk output: https://pastebin.com/raw/yhbQKfkr === apsknight1 is now known as apsknight [03:07] cuddylier: can you also show: grub-install -v /dev/sda [03:08] tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/raw/hSftd2xS [03:08] cuddylier: and see man grub for possible workarounds such as -s, --skip-fs-probe or even --force (but i would not do this, yet, not sure what it will do to your md0) === marve is now known as Guest32908 [03:12] cuddylier: do you have /boot/grub/device.map ? if so, can i see it? [03:13] Nope, that isn't there. [03:13] cuddylier: because of the way you've laid out the system you need to create a /boot/grub/device.map to help grub-install know where things are [03:14] Is the way I've laid it out special? [03:14] Or what part confuses it? [03:14] cuddylier: run this then try grub-install again: " echo "($(sudo grub-probe -t bios_hints -d /dev/md0)) /dev/md0" | sudo tee -a /boot/grub/device.map " [03:15] TJ-: grub-probe: error: disk `md0' not found. [03:15] () /dev/md0 [03:16] cuddylier: it's currently mounted isn't it? [03:16] Yes [03:16] /dev/md0 472M 53M 395M 12% /boot [03:16] cuddylier: does "cat /proc/mdstat" confirm that? [03:16] TJ-: echo "($(sudo grub-probe -t bios_hints -d /dev/md0)) /dev/md0" | sudo tee -a /boot/grub/device.map [03:16] oops [03:16] TJ-: https://pastebin.com/raw/z8GRete3 [03:17] are you running grub-install from within a chroot on /dev/md1 ? [03:17] yeah [03:17] cuddylier: did you (bind) mount devfs into the chroot ? [03:18] TJ-: I did: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/linux/dev [03:18] https://pastebin.com/raw/bGyW0PDd [03:18] cuddylier: OK, so from inside the chroot there should be block nodes /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 [03:19] How do I check that? [03:19] cuddylier: this isn't correct: "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/linux" [03:19] ls -l # :) [03:19] cuddylier: your lsblk shows " └─md1 9:1 0 476.3G 0 raid1 /" [03:19] oops, I forgot to say I replaced with: mount /dev/md1 /mnt/linux [03:20] so it should have been "mount /dev/md1 /mnt/linux" [03:20] cuddylier: trying to catch us out huh? :D [03:20] yeah, I did that, sorry for the confusion :P [03:20] hehehe [03:20] in case you won't find a solution this ooold bug report suggests that mdadm is not installed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1315344 [03:20] Launchpad bug 1315344 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "Grub install failed on disks with software RAID" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:22] Yes, and my recent one where I've got the device.map workaround and am working on a permanent GRUB source fix: bug #1756517 [03:22] bug 1756517 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-install: error: diskfilter writes are not supported" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756517 [03:23] cuddylier: the fact grub-probe is failing is key to this, and it not finding the dev node is very wrong [03:23] hmm :( [03:25] cuddylier: which meta-data version is md0 using? [03:25] TJ-: How do I check? [03:25] cuddylier: "mdadm --examine /dev/sda2" [03:26] cuddylier: 2nd line should show "Version: ...." [03:27] now that you ran "mdadm --examnine", grub-install /dev/sda should work [03:27] Seems like the mdadm package is in deed not installed [03:27] :) [03:27] And I can't actually get apt-get to work on this chroot [03:28] how so? [03:28] sources.list is messed up with what my PXE boot put it in it [03:28] cuddylier: exit the chroot then do "mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/linux/etc/resolv.conf" then "chroot /mnt/linux" and try apt again [03:29] resolv.conf was an issue but I fixed that [03:29] mdadm must be available somewhere it was used to assemble the 2 arrays [03:29] The vim installed on Ubuntu 16.04 is very confusing to use :( [03:29] why would your pxe boot mess with what's in /mnt/linux ? [03:29] cat /proc/mdstat works fine yeah [03:29] is that done from outside the chroot? [03:30] I did cat /proc/mdstat inside [03:30] cuddylier: right, but the tool that assembles arrays, called by udev, is mdadm [03:32] it's a bit of a weird arrangement. I'd have made /dev/sda + /dev/sdc = /dev/md0, then partitioned it and but the root-fs and /boot/ in 2 partitions that way [03:32] i would still expect /mnt/linux/etc/apt/sources.list to be unmodified by the PXE boot [03:32] tomreyn: agreed, and if the root-fs which requires md has no mdadm then something is broken [03:33] maybe the initrd was not generated there but copied, and mdadm was never installed there. [03:34] possibly [03:35] thing is though /boot/ is not required to mount the root-fs so the initrd mdadm /conf/mdadm.conf wouldn't usually have an entry for /dev/md0 - that would be left for the real init system to do [03:36] hmmm. well i'm sure cuddylier will let us know once he finds out. [03:37] Yeah, I'm going to try installing with /dev/sda and /dev/sdb to see if that makes a difference. [03:37] sdb is the USB isn't it? [03:37] oh, no, I misread [03:38] yes, sda + sdb looks more sensible since they're the same size [03:39] and I'd suggest build the array directly from sda + sdb, then partition the resulting md0 and adding your file-systems there [03:39] As in just have a single raid array? [03:39] And not a separate /boot one? [03:40] That way the grub-probe workaround I gave will work (from Bug #1756517) [03:40] bug 1756517 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-install: error: diskfilter writes are not supported" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756517 [03:40] cuddylier: yes, you only need to RAID the physical disks [03:40] hello [03:40] and bye [03:41] just testing [03:41] cuddylier: makes it much easier to deal with since you've already shown you want booth root-fs and /boot/ protected anyhow [03:42] I'm going to try sleeping (without /dev/sda and /dev/sdb) to see if that makes a difference. [03:42] even when theres no difference why it finds empty white space, and says theres a difference and thats an empty line [03:43] sorry zeus__, it's too late here, maybe ask in #bash, goo dluck [03:44] ok good night [03:47] zeus__: you say you're trying to revert changes to file A based on an original file B ? [04:06] Hello [04:06] does somebody use Cheese here? [04:18] hi [04:28] hi [04:28] !hello [04:28] hello [04:29] what issue? [04:29] exit [04:29] man [04:31] Hello. I have Kubuntu 17.10 installed on my Dell 7559 with dual graphics. If secure boot is DISABLED, the laptop refuses to boot. I'm using Intel graphics with proprietary nvidia drivers [04:35] hi I'm setting up a new server with 16.04 LTS. This is a fresh install, was looking for some recommendations on how to configure the drive layout. I have a 256gb ssd to boot (did 8gb swap and rest for /) and I 5x3.7tb sshd and 4x1tb ssd. [04:36] !patience [04:36] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ [04:36] wanted to make the SSDs a single drive for a database. and use the sshd's for storage as a single drive. on board controller no hardware raid. [04:37] does anyone have an opinion on best practices/file system of choice? === deathonater is now known as Smeef [04:54] Hi, how going beta of ubuntu? [04:54] shuforov: 18.04? [04:54] yes [04:55] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/HEADER.html [04:55] oh no, beaver beta [04:55] ? [04:55] damm sory [04:55] my mistake [04:56] still sleeping just wake up. [04:56] thenx for link energizer [04:56] shuforov: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule [04:57] energizer, yes i monitoring this link :) cant wait to update to it from 16 lts === BartolomeBellid is now known as BartolomeBellid1 === BartolomeBellid1 is now known as BartolomeBellid0 [05:02] hi === marve is now known as Guest21656 [05:19] If I install ubuntu onto a USB drive, can I boot from it on any machine? [05:22] no [05:22] Hi, does anyone know how long it takes a ghost nick to be free? [05:22] solarradiation, if the machine is a different arquitecture it wont work [05:22] my ubuntu system keeps freezing [05:23] solarradiation, theres also the drivers, which matter. [05:24] tty wise, its possible, but with Xorg, its a bit harder [05:24] BartolomeBellid0, ask in #freenode [05:25] AntiSlayer, try cleaning the RAM, if that's not it check the disk drive [05:25] how [05:25] is there a program to clean ram [05:25] AntiSlayer, if the disk drive is not wrong, try upgrading to latest stable [05:25] AntiSlayer, ... no [05:25] Kumool, thanks, i try this :) [05:26] AntiSlayer, RAM is a physical device in the computer itself, if it gets dusty inside, you're gonna have hiccups and freezes [05:26] how to upgrade to latest stable [05:26] oh okay [05:26] AntiSlayer, what computer do you have? [05:26] ubuntu 16.04 and it is an hp 15 f272wm [05:27] it could also freeze if the cpu gets hot [05:28] how do i upgrade to the latest stable thingy [05:28] mm [05:28] it seems brand new so i doubt its anything physical [05:29] have you noted when it freezes [05:29] a pattern === BartolomeBellid0 is now known as BartolomeBellid1 [05:29] yeah i was doing a bunch of stuff and then it froze while i was working on the computer then i had to cold boot it [05:30] mmm [05:30] was it hot? [05:30] no [05:30] i feel no heat from it [05:31] did you install ubuntu? [05:31] yes [05:31] ubuntu 16.04 lts [05:32] desktop [05:34] you're better off looking for a guide online on upgrading to 17.10 (this was the first hit https://askubuntu.com/questions/909323/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-ubuntu-17-10-upgrade) [05:34] check the answers section [05:34] kk thank you for your time [05:35] sorry, couldnt be of more help :S [05:35] i'd suggest you install a hardware sensor [05:35] its alright have a wonderful day and happy easter [05:35] okay [05:35] oh, you too [05:38] oh, i'm also getting freezes too antisl... oh, gone :( [05:38] hello [05:40] hello ShriHari === BartolomeBellid1 is now known as BartolomeBellid === BartolomeBellid is now known as Tuxer === Tuxer is now known as BartolomeBellid [06:17] I disabled my display manager using systemctl and now whenever I reboot, I don't get a graphical display unless I start it manually. When I run "sudo systemctl enable gdm3", I get an error saying that it failed, citing that the unit files have no installation config. What is the proper way to enable a display manager in Ubuntu? It's obviously not the same way it is with most distros I've tried. [06:17] Which is the systemd method. [06:18] Would be great if someone could help, because I'm not reinstalling Ubuntu, and I don't want to manually start my display manager every time I boot. thx [06:30] what is a UI freeze? [06:30] UI = User Interface I am guessing. [06:30] yes..and? [06:31] Freeze = stops reacting. [06:31] | All hail our UI freeze on MARCH TWENTY-TWOTH [06:31] so that was a finalization? [06:31] When can I get 18.04 stable? [06:32] that's what I came here to ask [06:32] funny nick IGot2P [06:35] am reading https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-18-04-release-features/ [06:37] 26th April: Stable Ubuntu 18.04 LTS release -- Let me look. Maybe that is in the topic already. [06:38] MODS PUT The date in the Topic, That is my suggestion. That is all. [06:46] !pastebin [06:46] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [06:51] For anybody who needs to see what it reads exactly, here's what I get: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N5kn6N7Rsd/ [06:53] I tried googling my problem, and the only solution I find to enabling a display manager is here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/how-to-enable-or-disable-services#19324 [06:55] k12: i just joined, do you want to install a desktop envorinment? [06:55] lotuspsychje: no, trying to re enable my display manager. [06:55] Installed Ubuntu 16.04.4 and installation took forever... eventually go to the point where I say yes to reboot into OS and I get this message, "MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list " and the computer had frozen and refuses to restart. Any ideas so as not to corrupt installation please? [06:56] But I see something for permanently reenabling it, and odly enough I didn't see it there, because I'm dumb. Going to give it a shot. [06:56] k12: display manager comes with the DE? [06:57] brb [06:57] Ascavasaion: are you singlebooting ubuntu? [06:58] singlebooting? As in Ubuntu is the only OS to boot? then yes., [06:59] Ascavasaion: ok, have you disabled secureboot & fastboot? [06:59] lotuspsychje: secureboot I do not know. I have disabled fastboot though. [06:59] Hi there im having a lot of issues with My Nvidia drivers can anyone help? [07:00] Im on a laptop if that helps at all. [07:00] !details | Willzor [07:00] Willzor: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel. [07:01] Ascavasaion: try legacy in your uefi settings [07:01] I have all the drivers installed for prime but when i load the server up i dont get anything [07:01] Willzor: are you on untu server? [07:01] lotuspsychje: but I am in the installation and it is trying to reboot for the first time and froze. [07:02] Im not on the server no [07:02] Willzor: wich nvidia driver are you using? [07:02] The Nvidia X server Settings [07:02] And 390 [07:02] Willzor: and on wich ubuntu version? [07:03] You mean the Kernal? [07:03] morning EriC^^ [07:03] morning lotuspsychje [07:03] Willzor: no i mean ubuntu version [07:04] Hmm how would i find that? [07:04] lsb_release -a Willzor [07:04] No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: MakuluLinux Description: MakuluLinux 14 LinDoz Release: 14 Codename: LinDoz [07:05] Willzor: we only support ubuntu here mate [07:05] It is [07:05] Its Ubuntu [07:06] Willzor: we only support vanilla ubuntu & their flavors here [07:06] Its all of the Ubuntu things just with a few added icons and what not [07:07] Willzor: we only support official ubuntu & its flavors here [07:07] lotuspsychje: it's GDM3 which comes with the gnome desktop environment. [07:07] So your not willing to help me out even tho im saying its the same thing? [07:07] Like really the same thing just a few added icons and you want to say screw you/ [07:07] Willzor: its not that i dont want, we cant help unofficial ubuntu distro's here [07:08] Right and saying you dont want to help and saying what you said isnt the same thing? [07:08] Willzor: for your distro, seek help on their official web/irc [07:08] !based on ubuntu | Willzor === fatty is now known as stibium [07:08] Willzor: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) [07:08] Letting someone hand like that isnt cool [07:09] They dont have an irc that i can see [07:09] Willzor: if you like ubuntu support, choose an official ubuntu flavor and youl get help here [07:09] Willzor: lotus is right, it's not supported here. you need to use their support forums. [07:09] Ok and they dont have one that i can find? [07:09] Even tho everything on this OS is Ubuntu but you cant help? [07:09] What sense does that make? [07:10] Willzor: understand your distro is NOT ubuntu [07:10] i'm sure there is something listed on their website. [07:10] Im sure there isnt [07:11] Ive looked [07:11] Willzor: you agree, you are the one that choose your Os? [07:12] Ascavasaion: paste that error to EriC^^ he might have a clue on that uefi issue [07:12] And you agree i came to an IRC for UBUNTU knowing thats what the back end is on this but yet you dont want to help? [07:12] Willzor: again, its not me that doesnt wanna help, we have rules here..if you dont agree the !guidelines, please ask in #ubuntu-ops please [07:13] Willzor: we don't know what changes have been made from plain ubuntu, so we don't even attempt to support it to avoid mistakes. [07:14] All im having is issues with my video drivers thats it, ive tried everything i could think of [07:14] Willzor: install ubuntu and you might have a much better driver experience [07:15] I just like the UI i dont know how to make normal Ubuntu look and feel like this one does [07:15]