[06:23] <ubptgbot> RDB77 was added by: RDB77
 @Mark Mullins, I'm interested in the chipset they've chosen: i.MX8. I presume it's because Open drivers can be used on them. Which begs the question: why isn't there an SBC using the chipset...
 @Mark, https://www.solid-run.com/nxp-family/hummingboard-pulse/
 @advocatux, Now that's very interesting!
 Someone's just sent me this link too: http://www.compulab.com/products/sbcs/sbc-imx8-nxp-i-mx8m-single-board-computer/
 Yep, I think there will be more SBCs to come
 ... and am I right in thinking that the chipset is more open?
 I think the main advantage is that those processor are very well documented
 ahh - Thanks for that.
 I also read this yesterday: https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/03/31/0622248/open-source-risc-v-processor-gets-support-from-google-samsung-qualcomm-and-tesla Which I thought was interesting.
 [Edit] I think the main advantage is that those processors are very well documented
 It doesn't say how far off it is though...
 Welcome @RDB77 !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 We need more true openhardware, that's for sure
 :) Yes we do.
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wZylQ6r4.webp
 @advocatux, And we need more mainline
[09:59] <ubptgbot> Adifher was added by: Adifher
 Whatsup
 @Adifher, Hi Adif, don't forget to go to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Oke
 There's a lot of useful info in that page, including links to language groups
[12:32] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @Zetarancio, This was moved to an OT thread as it does not contribute to but rather distracts from ubports in general, please do not ping me about this in this thread again (not aimed specifically at you, just a message for anyone else that links that wiki to me again)
[13:00] <ubptgbot> René was added by: René
[13:13] <ubptgbot> W was added by: W
 Can you load all ubunutu desktop apps on ubuntu touch? Is it possible to load whonix onto ubuntu touch and create an option to choose what to load on boot? one for the regular ubuntu touch UI and 1 for the VM
 @René, Welcome Rene! Check out the link below to get you started!  … ubports.com/telegram-welcome!
 @W, No
 @W, No and no. Libertine would let you install desktop apps but it's broken right now. As such, you can't have something like VirtualBox even if AppArmor would let you use a virtual machine
 You can install deb packages which are built for armhf under libertine, but they aren't all necessarily going to work right, and most all will not really be usable without an external display
 @W, [Edit] No and no. Libertine would let you install desktop apps but it's broken right now. As such, you can't install something like VirtualBox even if AppArmor would let you use a virtual machine
 @amolith, Libertine works. It's just broken on Nexus 5
 @dohbee, Oh. I thought it was across UT. Dang . . .
 okay cheers for the answers :) I'll play around with some options and see if I can figure out a solution
 You can still use it on Nexus 5 even, but only for CLI apps. GUI apps are what's broken with it, due to some weird error where xmir can't talk to mir
 @dohbee, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 also, virtualbox is only x86
 @W, No problem! 🙂
 I think you can manually create a launcher that will make it work
 xmir works fine
 @Mark, Do you have a N5?
 Yeah!
 you could theoretically use kvm/qemu, but i don't think virtualization is supported on the phone SoCs
 @Javacookies, How would you go about that?
 @Javacookies, outside of libertine, but then you're installing stuff into root and making custom launchers
 which is not nice
 @Javacookies, that would work for loading bitmessage too?
 what is bitmessage? it is not in the ubuntu archives
 https://scottlinux.com/2013/07/26/bitmessage-how-to-for-debian-and-ubuntu-linux/
 @dohbee, no,I mean still using libertine for the container no the same/"wild" as me :P
 I haven't really tried it yet to be honest but I just thought it's doable
 @W, it would be way better for someone to build a native mobile app for this, if you really want to use it
 @Javacookies, i guess not, otherwise libertine would just work as-is
 can't we install matchbox in the container then just use something like " matchbox /app/path/in/container" and put X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enabled=true?
 @Javacookies, matchbox is already installed in the container
 you know what I'll try it instead of speculating and giving nexus 5 users false hope :D
 oh really? okay, is that the default WM that is used in libertine?
 and no, you have to run the app with the container as it's root, just running /path/to/container/usr/bin/app will probably fail, because it may need libs that aren't installed in the rootfs
 @Javacookies, yes
 unless that changed, but i don't think it did
 @amolith, I Thought he was imitating a heavy metal guitar chord strike...
 Libertine doesn't work only on Nexus 5? It was a cool feature of Ubuntu touch
 @Gabriele, right, this is some unresolved issue with it on nexus 5
 Happy easter!
 Happy pagan fertility goddess ritual day!
 😄 didnt know this religion was still active. Anyway this is ot. Sorry for that.
 Heck
 (Photo, 628x208) https://irc.ubports.com/0SgWnjmj.png
 Building Halium, I see
 #JustAndroidThings
 Not even halium, trying to build Lineage14.1 to see if those sources even work
 I had to make my own ubuntu chroot for that though
 because my host is gentoo
 and gentoo obsoletes packages very quick
 good thing that 14.1 is java 8
 finally
 Gentoo bad
 because java 7 is obsoleted everywhere
 @JoshuaAshton, why?
 It's a troll, buddy
 -> @ubports_ot -funroll-loops
 You spend 99% of your time rebuilding everything rather than getting work done
 -j24
 kernel builds 2 minutes
 If you'd like to continue that can of worms, please go to @ubports_ot
 dunno, didn't find any prebuilt distro I stayed long with, going away now, my laptop battery is dead
 12c/24t laptop? wonder it works on battery at all :P
 guys i was tryin to build boot image but icouldnt edit fstab thing
 there's also @halium channel for halium porting discussion
 @dohbee, that could be better thnaks
 or group, whatever telegram calls them
 Nah, that's my main box I ssh'd to
 Dual Xeon E5-2620
 My laptop is Thinkpad X220 Tablet, which is 2c/4t i5-2520M, gets hot when it doesn't have proper thermal paste :S
 but let's cut it right there
 @W, There are Signal and Matrix. At least one other option under development
 @takaturgut, Once the base Halium work is done, there is also a UBports porting group
 Is 57:29 ((min:s)) normal buildtime for Android with 24 threads, 24 gigabytes and no ccache/ssd?
 Yep
 Good, I had to comment out some repo, we'll see if it boots
 @Stereofont, Yeah i'm just not sure sure about signal after seeing this
 (Video, 95s) https://irc.ubports.com/rU9Ib5fC.mp4
 @W, wow!
 it's horrible isn't it
 they don't even need a warrent
 Guys and gals, quick question: AnBox is being developed for 16.04 alone, right?
 I wasn't paying much attention to it, since I didn't need any android apps so far... but now I realized I could use it for some annoying authentication system my bank has set.
 Yeah 16.04 only
 needs kernel patches
 Alright... I don't think this alone merits upgrading it. Thanks!
 Don't remember if it only requires kernel flags or some actual patches, still it's up to maintainer to take care of that.
 after general integration into distro is complete
 I'll try it later, as long as my N4 holds alive I'll stick to tried and true 15.04
 did you all hear about that news release?? what the...??  On the news feed just now: https://t.me/ubports_news
 @wayneoutthere, Yay this is amazing allways wanted to port the clock appeared pt this system! 😀
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Mky1miat.mp4
[15:32] <ubptgbot> Venetin was added by: Venetin
 @W, They hack into your phone, effectively as root, so of course they have total access. If you can read it, they can
 @Stereofont, but it even shows deleted signal messages, not just ones readable by a user
 shows that all the data is kept on the phone
 everything you type and say is likely all recorded
 @wayneoutthere, Not all it is cracked up to be. It only toasts in Dutch
[15:42] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> The toaster was a joke right
 Jammer! Had een nieuwe port verwacht!
 Expected a new port for a phone
 @Mark Mullins, 👀
 Luckily they didn't say anything about Wire
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/OQk7a09k.webp
 @W, 'Delete' and 'hide' are often treated as interchangeable. Perhaps someone will fork Bleachbit for Ubuntu Touch sometime
 @ferds666, XDXD
 @Stereofont, you think bleaachbit would make the deleted signal messages unrecoverable?
 if you could get whonix on ubuntu touch could have signal desktop on the VM and then the deleted files wouldn't be on the phone itself right?
 @W, It could make locally stored discarded messages unrecoverable
 @W, because with having signal desktop on the VM you could run bleachbit on the VM to make the data unrecoverable on that, then if your phone was compromised it wouldn't matter if the messenger you used was through a VM
 @W, Syncing requires centralised storage, generally
 Bleachbit is just a frontend to many other actions, it'd be easier to destroy the data from the CLI I think
 AFAIK, the best way to "delete" data on a HDD is to overwrite it with something else
 The classic "dd" move
 (But that's for the whole disk)
 @Gorsh2, With flash memory, yes
 On Android eMMC you use a secure discard. I don't know if UT has anything built in for that.
 Yep, there too would work, as you have your stuff on a different drive/partition
 Aw, was excited for a moment, espasallay since we have a Ubuntu snap based refrigerator...
 @W, There is no vm
 And what happens with the he Android app has no bearing on what the UT native app does
 Not does it mean some other app wouldn't have the same issue
 Ubuntu touch for Xiaomi Mi 4 ?
 This is the list of supported devices http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/
 Any ideas why clock-app hangs ~25sec after start up? Clock animation stops, no buttons work. After that time it works normally..
 Which device and what UT version?
 Nexus 5 and 15.04.
 I don't have that problem in my N5, 15.04
 I has worked before. I noticed this behavior last week when tried to change alarms..
 *it
 Mine works fine too
 Someone should confirm this but I think the alarm cache is in `/home/phablet/.cache/msyncd/alarms.db.sqlite` I'd delete that file, restart the phone, and sees how it goes
 yeah, the rules and regulations about the mis/use of technology is not clearly defined. And that's f-ed up for sure.
 Wow just read about bacon for rosters. I heard rumers that a years type device is in the making with famous podcast artist Evolution Tera doing the voice prompts.
 Evo Tera.
 @W, yeah, the rules and regulations about the mis/use of technology is not clearly defined. And that's f-ed up for sure.
 @Slucepan, Hmm, I'm not sure that voice navigation for Baken is planned yet.
 @UniversalSuperBox, But it does have popups
 I love you guys XD
 With booting CM, I'm halfway through
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0udUeeWX.png
 Does VP8 work on UT?
 Or is it device-dependent or is it broken?
 the video codec?
 yep
 the webm one
 On Sailfish it's entierely broken, dunno about Halium/UT
 i guess it probably works in browser, don't know if there's a codec for gstreamer installed; and i guess the hardware doesn't have it
 @Stereofont, Can it abort though? It needs to have abort functionality.
 oh, it's in gst-plugins-good, so it should work
 @YougoChats, It must carry the toast to full term
 But we need to abort the toast!
[20:30] <ubptgbot> ksjff was added by: ksjff
 https://youtu.be/zeTy6uewZZo
 Welcome @ksjff !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 @YougoChats, Patience people. We must first converge the toast before we get back to mobiles
 Baken allows us to reach all people with the brand
 @YougoChats, Only after OTA4 and GPS plate location.
 @wayneoutthere, You converge the toast by filling the quota of bacon between the two slices, and inserting it into your face.
[22:00] <ubptgbot> SexyBeast420 was added by: SexyBeast420
 Uhh, hi, where can i buy a toaster?
[22:06] <ubptgbot> G_Raffe was added by: G_Raffe
 Hello guys. I don't have github acc, but saw an issue that nexus 5 is not being detected on mac in bootloader apparently as all other devices. I found a workaround for this
 To make it work open terminal
 and type
 sudo open -a ubports-installer
 This will open programm with priviligies to use system features, in our case - fastboot
 I just had a successful installation
 Welcome!
 @wayneoutthere, Uhh, hi, where can i buy a toaster
 ?
 First question - why clock app crashes?
 @SexyBeast420, Target
 @G_Raffe, 16.04?
 yep
 because it's unstable still and those issues have yet to be resolved
 Oh, okau
 If you'd like a more stable experience, use 15.04
 will alarm work? Cause looks like I have no way to disable it now lol
 You can change your installation from the Installer.
[22:29] <opendata> What does ubports use to get the battery percentage
 @G_Raffe, If an alarm is created and enabled it should work still yes. The clock app doesn't run the alarm process itself, that's deeper in the system
 NIce than. Thank you
 @opendata, it gets it from the kernel
 @G_Raffe, but 16.04 is still unstable so there could of course be some other bug that would cause it to not run
 I'm totally fine with unstable builds, that's kinda experiment for me=)
[22:32] <opendata> Not even upower
[22:33] <opendata> !
[22:33] <opendata> ?
 what do you mean? repowerd is the dbus service
 and it gets power info from the kernel of course
 annnd wi-fi doesn't work after reboot. Got the point, installing stable build
 http://moebuntu.web.fc2.com/home_eng.html
 @Montefrio please do not post inappropriate links
 ok
 sorry