[00:18] <tomreyn> it actually took 2 hours. and it did not.
[06:01] <BionicMac> Moooo
[06:01] <flocculant> poor attempt at an April Fool :p
[06:02] <BionicMac> :0
[06:02] <BionicMac> d=) <- like my hat?
[06:02] <flocculant> :)
[06:02] <BionicMac> oh! lots of juicy upgrades for the beaver tonight.
[06:06] <BionicMac> Hmmm, again with the "Orange Bag Ubuntu Software" not showing updates available. apt* shows it, gui "Software Updater" shows it and Synaptics all show the same updates available as they should. But not the orange bga. I'll never trust it for system upgrades. Only for the third party blah.
[06:08] <BionicMac> It is a "pretty" way to search/install/remove popular third party apps though. Bu if it doesn't show the 40 updates the other tools agree on to the "t"... then I lose faith.
[06:08] <BionicMac> ok, I'm done bitchin'. =) 
[06:25] <BionicMac> Hello lotuspsychje 
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> hey BionicMac 
[06:26] <BionicMac> I like the new default bluetooth applet/settings/manager. hmmm... changes abound. 
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah cool
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> have you noticed nautilus file transfers progress on the icon like unity?
[06:27]  * BionicMac scratches his head... did I install this blueman manager or was it included in the latest updates? ... =)
[06:27] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: I haven't noticed that.
[06:27] <BionicMac> I guess blueman-manager is the default now.
[06:28] <BionicMac> Some of my icons look different too.
[06:28] <BionicMac> I need to test  file transfer in nautilus to see what you are talking about.
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: wich icons?
[06:29] <BionicMac> I've always been a nautilus fanboy.
[06:29] <BionicMac> Well... top right corner applts/icons... bluetooth is different there adn m dropbox ... I'm pretty sure i saw an icon/gtk/blah update in the last ouple of days.
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> cool, think i need updates
[06:30] <BionicMac> I just had 40 upgrades.
[06:30] <BionicMac> And plus a few yesterday.
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> wasnt it suru icons they gonna do?
[06:31] <BionicMac> I'm unsure.
[06:31] <BionicMac> What is strange is I have 2 bluetooth icons in the top right now.
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: strange, BT are integrated in settings now
[06:32] <BionicMac> Ok, the "blueman applet" is new. 
[06:33] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: How do I get detailed information on an installed package so I can check if it is part of official Ubuntu ?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: apt-cache policy packagename
[06:33] <BionicMac> cli or gui
[06:33] <BionicMac> cool
[06:35] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: universe is not official distro default packages is it?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> !universe
[06:37] <BionicMac> thanks
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> just updated, noticed high color theme, but not changes i see
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: are you on ambiance?
[06:39] <BionicMac> No idea.
[06:40] <BionicMac> What is ambiance?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: install gnome-tweak-tool mate, a bunch of neat settings there
[06:40] <BionicMac> ok
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> and preload too
[06:40] <BionicMac> preload is a package?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> !info preload
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: its boosts your overall experience speed
[06:41] <BionicMac> ok, doing i tnow.
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> in tweak tool you can check your theme
[06:41] <BionicMac> done
[06:42] <BionicMac> Yep, ambiance
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:42] <BionicMac> =) nice tool. thanks brother
[06:43] <BionicMac> Do I have to start preload or restart gnome to run it?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> for preload you need a reboot
[06:43] <BionicMac> ok, brb
[06:43] <BionicMac> no need to turn it on?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> nop
[06:44] <BionicMac> ok ...
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> it starts as service
[06:44] <BionicMac> can I just start the service or is reboot needed.
[06:44] <BionicMac> ?
[06:44] <flocculant> reboot
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> morning flocculant :p
[06:44] <flocculant> morning lotuspsychje :)
[06:45] <flocculant> just been resizing partitoions and stuff
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:45] <flocculant> done with Xubuntu :( installing Ubuntu
[06:46] <flocculant> done with testing too 
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: schedule getting tighter?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> when is feature freeze?
[06:46] <flocculant> only freeze left now is kernel and lang stuffs
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:47] <flocculant> feature freeze was beginning of March
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> very curious wich impact bionic will have
[06:47] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[06:47] <flocculant> not sure what you mean there?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> users impact, in main #ubuntu support
[06:49] <flocculant> oh right
[06:49] <flocculant> I never
[06:49] <flocculant> ever
[06:49] <flocculant> go there :p
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> i meant final freeze :p
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> 19 april heh
[06:50] <flocculant> oic
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: now launching programs should go smoother
[06:50] <BionicMac> I noticed a snappy feel when starting firefox... 
[06:50] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: in #xubuntu we let people talk about the unreleased version from Beta onwards - smaller set of people looking
[06:50] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: Thank you for the tips. =)
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: np
[06:51] <flocculant> BionicMac: interesting - not heard firefix called snappy for a long time :p
[06:51] <BionicMac>  oxymoron
[06:51] <flocculant> :)
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: chromium-browser + preload + cleaned up system with bleachbit + ssd rocknrolls here
[06:51] <BionicMac> Ithink I want to install vivaldi and check it out.
[06:51] <flocculant> ssd for sure makes loads of difference
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> tested vivaldi and brave, they both s*ck
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: but even then not happy the with boot & desktop boot times
[06:52] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: flocculant: what are your preferences with a broser?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> very laggy still
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: FF & chromium
[06:52] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: "sick" in a good or bad way? =)
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> good way
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> bad sorry
[06:53] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: aah - I've been talking about a bug - 'my' system is fine
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: ill await final now, perhaps reinstall fresh too
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> got too many testing stuff :p
[06:54] <BionicMac> I use vivaldi on my Antergos Cinnamon setup. So far so good. I like Antergos too. I literally LOVE Cinnamon. But I tried it in Ubuntu and the system-settings is broken. Kinda wanted that app.
[06:54] <BionicMac> cinnamon-system-settings \
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: i also use links2 for text base browse
[06:55] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: nice. I love lynx and links.
[06:55] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I shan't - this install will become xubuntu cantankerous cicada :)
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> quick lookup from terminal
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: im sticking to LTS for a while again :p
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: and continue the heavy bugging
[06:58] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: bit hard for me to do that - Xubuntu Team member
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:00] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: so we did find what the slow boot issue is btw - 3 25s timeouts while blueman looks for things on machines without bluetooth basically
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: did you hear more of that systemd speed tweak yet?
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> similar think :p
[07:00] <flocculant> consequently it appears that our iso is dead ...
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[07:00] <flocculant> I read something in -desktop a while back, but didn't take a lot of notice of the detail
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> if it gets fixxed its good
[07:03] <flocculant> yup :)
[07:06] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: Do you run bleachbit on your system or just your $HOME ? 
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: whole system runned as root icon
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> BionicMac: just be carefull when choosing some options, know you might deep delete
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> like autoremove kernels n such
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> cleaned 8gig last scan here
[07:12] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: Yes, Iam going to have to get familiar/comfortable with what to delete. I will watch it closely.
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> lemme know afterwards if notice speed
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> bbl now
[07:13] <BionicMac> For instance, I am not so sure about this: Delete 4.1kB /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[07:13] <BionicMac> Delete 4.1kB /var/lib/apt/lists/auxfiles
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah those are fine
[07:14] <BionicMac> basically a lot of files in /var/lib/apt/lists/* (158.MB worth)
[07:16] <BionicMac> lotuspsychje: I read the links you sent concerning the 4 categories of repos. From what I gather, Universe is notincluded in a system installation. Those are packages chosen by the user. Does this sound correct?
[07:18] <BionicMac> How do I fnd un-needed "no longer required" packages? Once I get that list then I will go over it before I hoose to uninstall ny.
[07:19] <ducasse> BionicMac: software in universe is supported by the community, not canonical
[07:21] <BionicMac> ducasse: Thank you.
[07:24] <BionicMac> How do I  find Orphan packages? I googled and found an app called Deborphan. I sthere a tool already on ubuntu for this?
[07:25] <flocculant> BionicMac: do you have an issue with disk space? if not I'd likely leave well alone if you're not sure what you're doing
[07:26] <BionicMac> No worries. I would make sure of what packages I remove. I'm just learning in general but I am sure there has to be a way to find those. Then I can go through them with care. 
[07:27] <BionicMac> Only 3 packages show up. I will leave well enough alone then.
[07:38] <BionicMac> Thanks to everyone for the help. I'm out for the night. Take care. 
[13:30] <meeseeks> Hi I am experiencing some weird stuff since my upgrade: some youtube video's don't have audio while most do
[13:30] <meeseeks> I assumed it was just muted due to copyright at first
[13:31] <meeseeks> but after trying one in chrome this is not the case
[13:33] <meeseeks> twitter video is also silent, vidzi.tv streams as well, but they are all silent, on YT almost every video works fine but then others don't
[13:36] <brainwash> on youtube you can right click the video player > stats for nerds, and then check the used audio codec
[13:38] <meeseeks> Yeah I did that, I had an silent SD movie without audio which was vp9, and another movie work fine which was also vp9
[13:38] <brainwash> I would start firefox.exe from a terminal window and see if it prints any audio related messages when playing a video with broken audio
[13:38] <brainwash> vp9 is the video codec
[13:39] <meeseeks> opus then?
[13:39] <brainwash> yes
[13:39] <brainwash> is it opus in both cases?
[13:40] <meeseeks> vp09.00.51.08.01.01.01.01 (244) / opus (251)
[13:40] <meeseeks> no sound
[13:40] <meeseeks> vp09.00.51.08.01.01.01.01 (244) / opus (251)
[13:40] <meeseeks> sound
[13:40] <brainwash> well...
[13:40] <brainwash> that's pretty odd then
[13:41] <brainwash> do you have any firefox extensions enabled?
[13:42] <brainwash> also, try my terminal advise
[13:42] <meeseeks> I have youtube video popout, noscript and ublock origin
[13:42] <meeseeks> yeah I'll try cmdline first
[13:43] <brainwash> an extension could be the culprit
[13:43] <meeseeks> although I can check .xsession_errors perhaps instead nowadays no
[13:43] <blackflow> meeseeks: use --safe-mode switch to temporarily disable xtensions
[13:43] <brainwash> you probably can
[13:45] <meeseeks> powerdevil: Enforcing inhibition from ":1.13" "firefox" with cookie 15860 and reason "audio-playing" powerdevil: By the time we wanted to enforce the inhibition it was already gone; discarding it
[13:45] <meeseeks> I am on webchat so I'll have to leave and come back to check cmdline debugging
[13:46] <meeseeks> brb
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