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| Guest34818 | when replacing characters like foo=$(bar// /.) how can i delete the first character to be replaced and replace all others | 00:08 |
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| Guest34818 | like in this case first whitespace will be deleted and not conveted to '.' | 00:09 |
| Guest34818 | or any first character since its a path i want to remove the root '/' and use it as a filename | 00:10 |
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| ykos | hhh | 00:46 |
| Atomic_FRv43 | hi | 00:53 |
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| TabMasher | Can anyone recommend a good firewall app for ubuntu please? | 01:05 |
| compdoc | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | 01:07 |
| compdoc | that one seems pretty good | 01:07 |
| Speed_ | hi | 01:19 |
| Speed_ | i got a new monitro, and am now using it but there are these black lines on my screen whenever its enabled, | 01:19 |
| Speed_ | i dont think there is anything wrong with the screen, because it also apears in screenshots | 01:20 |
| Speed_ | is there any way i could see whats causing it? im on 16.04 | 01:20 |
| good2bjim | hi im new | 01:21 |
| good2bjim | logout | 01:23 |
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| comrumino | So why would something not being able to connect to libphy | 01:42 |
| comrumino | more specifically, no nics show and here is dmesg http://stro.nz/public/ubuntu-dmesg.txt | 01:44 |
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| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, can you elaborate on your question? such as what might have lead you to look at your dmesg log? | 01:51 |
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| comrumino | pragmaticenigma, so for aarch64. I follow macchiatobin instructions on install ubntu and i can get shell and logged in. However, there is no eth0 and only bind0, sat0, and lo show under /sys/class/net/. I know that the nic works since I can request an ip and ping out using `Marvell>>>` which is like their firmware shell | 01:53 |
| comrumino | they compile modules into their img so I suppose i could attempt to compile the img myself and see which modules load. but the main is --- why can't I connect to the internet :) | 01:54 |
| comrumino | also attempted with arch linux but the nics weren't showing their either. may be a u-boot issue? not sure | 01:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, I'm sorry, but this channel is for Ubuntu only. We cannot offer support for Arch as it is built in a way that is significantly different than Ubuntu. You will probably have better luck in /join #archlinux | 01:55 |
| comrumino | uh, the dmesg is for ubuntu | 01:55 |
| comrumino | pragmaticenigma, ... | 01:55 |
| comrumino | it was more of a side note, I have more than one usd | 01:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, Maybe I misread something, I apologize if I did | 01:56 |
| comrumino | pragmaticenigma, no worries i probably wasn't clear. here are the instructions (which aren't great). technically it is for arm so just lmk if this isn't the right channel and point me to the right one | 01:57 |
| comrumino | http://wiki.macchiatobin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Boot+from+removable+storage+-+Ubuntu | 01:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, I wouldn't give up hope yet. Unfortunately I don't personally have knowledge of that type of setup. There are quite a few here that could help you get that up and running, but they're usually around weekdays. | 02:02 |
| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, as far as networking goes... it would appear that it's a missed module. It's also possible that they didn't include the configurations for the network interfaces as they're leaving that up to the end user | 02:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, just a glance at macchiato's site, is it possible that you need to use Marvel to setup the interfaces in the firmware so that they ports can be discovered on boot by Ubuntu? http://wiki.macchiatobin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Boot+from+removable+storage+-+Ubuntu | 02:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | oops | 02:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | wrong link | 02:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | http://wiki.macchiatobin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Update+Ethernet+MAC+address | 02:06 |
| comrumino | pragmaticenigma, hmmm thanks, i'll take a look | 02:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, also found this page: http://wiki.macchiatobin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Use+network+in+Linux | 02:09 |
| comrumino | I saw that one before, but the devices didn't show up under ifconfig | 02:09 |
| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, I did see something about a prebuilt image of Ubuntu... did you happen to find that as well? | 02:10 |
| comrumino | yeap, that's the one which is giving me grief :S i do have their new revision so I know that most of the documentation was written for 1.2 and I have 1.3 so I'm wondering if I may have overlooked something | 02:11 |
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| pragmaticenigma | comrumino, hopefully the revision is just layout of the board or a swap for price competitive component | 02:13 |
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| comrumino | pragmaticenigma, yeah they switched from switches to jumpers. but updating the mac addresses didn't work :| | 02:17 |
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| agio | hi, does anyone know how the packages like "linux-firmware" or "firmware-realtek" actually get the firmware installed onto the chipsets? | 02:23 |
| agio | usually this requires a special kind of "flashing" process, right? | 02:24 |
| CryptoSiD | Hi, how can i force apache2 to use php7.2 instead of php7.0 when both are installed? | 02:36 |
| ffs | the xubuntu.org homepage says "Xubuntu 16.04.4 LTS was released in March 2018. The LTS release is supported until April 2019 and is the recommended version for all environments that require stability." How's it LTS if it's supported for 13 months? | 02:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, The firmware gets flashed each time the machine boots up. The firmware contains updated microcode that overrides the what the processor ships with. It isn't permanently stored though and must be reapplied each time the machine starts | 02:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | ffs, 16.04 was released in April of 2016, 16.04.4 is a point release that contains a rollup of all updates since the initial release, so that an install does not need to download all of the updates since the initial release | 02:40 |
| ffs | pragmaticenigma, is it really only supported until next April? | 02:41 |
| pragmaticenigma | ffs, security updates are provided for 16.04 through april 2021 | 02:42 |
| pragmaticenigma | ffs, see https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life | 02:42 |
| ffs | pragmaticenigma, will it be upgradable to 18.04? | 02:42 |
| guiverc | ffs, upgrades from 16.04 won't (by default) be offered until the release of 18.04.1 -- can you provide the link that says Xubuntu 16.04 is supported 13 months please. | 02:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | ffs, when the developers have finsihed the upgrade testing (usually around June/July of the release year) you will receive a prompt in Desktop to upgrade to 18.04. In command line, I believe it will be part of the message of the day | 02:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | guiverc, it doesn't say 13 months. ffs was noting that the release date of 16.04.4 makes it appear as though it's only supported for 13 months | 02:45 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: great expanation thanks! as a side issue, I see that the "linux-firmware" package is in "main" component. Does this mean that all the firmware code in "linux-firmware" is licensed open source and source code is freely available? | 02:45 |
| guiverc | ffs- never mind - i see it (it wasn't changed from 14.04 which is what is supported to..) | 02:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, part of that depends on the processor vendor | 02:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, most of the microcode contained in the firmware is freely available. however, there are proprietary binary blobs within them too | 02:47 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: if the processor vendor used closed source BLOBs and non-free licences shouldn't the package containing that software (linux-firmwar) be in multiverse or restricted - so we can recognise its status of being non-free? | 02:49 |
| guiverc | ffs, Xubuntu & other flavors consist of many parts - those parts found in 'main' repo are supported for five years, those that are in Universe are only guaranteed support for three years. 2016+3 = 2019 (which is a minimum; anything included in 'main' or also found in Ubuntu has five years of support) - same applies for all flavors. | 02:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, depends on what is contained within the firmware. I would imagine where ever possible, anything closed source is avoided. But if it's required to operate the machine, it's hard to get around that restraint | 02:51 |
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| pragmaticenigma | agio, it looks like linux-firmware is generic and from opensource in Ubuntu. A user will have to explicitly request to install the vendor specific microcode, which may contain closed source code. | 02:56 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: so all the code in linux-firmware is open-source? | 02:59 |
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| agio | so if a user had to install vendor specific microcode/firmware that contained non-free code - it would be in "restricted" or "multiverse"? | 03:00 |
| agio | or does ubuntu only apply the criteria for main, universe,etc for programs which run on the CPU? chipset firmware is excluded? | 03:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, those are questions I cannot answer. I do not fully understand the different *verses for packages, and system architecture is a very complicated matter (as seen with the recent Meltdown and Spectre exploits) | 03:11 |
| Guest34818 | hi | 03:13 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: no problem. thanks | 03:13 |
| Guest34818 | hi | 03:14 |
| dax | agio: linux-firmware contains firmware that is redistributable, regardless of open source status. linux-firmware-nonfree contains firmware with redistribution issues. https://www.ubuntu.com/licensing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Firmware discuss rationale | 03:15 |
| Guest34818 | if [[ $2 != ?(+)+([0-9]) ]]; then echo 'error' please guide me how to perfect it to produce error on non integer,floating and minus values | 03:17 |
| dax | agio: ubuntu (unlike, say, FSF) considers non-open-source firmware to be regrettable but acceptable for the main repository because it doesn't run on the CPU | 03:17 |
| Guest34818 | floating i mean decimal | 03:17 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest34818, This is a support channel for Ubuntu. We cannot help with programming issues | 03:17 |
| Guest34818 | oh im so sorry | 03:18 |
| dax | Guest34818: assuming I guessed language correctly, try /join #bash | 03:18 |
| Guest34818 | ubuntu is perfect with no probs :) | 03:19 |
| pragmaticenigma | thank you dax for clarity on linux-firmware distribution | 03:19 |
| agio | dax: ah right. I read in the realtek license of /usr/share/doc/linux-firmware/licenses that yes it allows distribution of binaries in closed source and extends its patents to vendors like ubuntu - so I assumed they were allowing redistribution only becuase they are hardware companies - they actually _want_ us to get their software on our machines - even if they dont get paid for the software - they make | 03:27 |
| agio | their $$ on the chipsets? | 03:27 |
| dax | basically, yes | 03:29 |
| widp | Is scheduling a systemd service as simple as "systemctl start temp.service" "sytemctl enable temp.service"? | 03:30 |
| widp | will this ensure this service runes everytime on boot? | 03:30 |
| widp | *runs | 03:30 |
| agio | dax: thanks. do you know if debian, as upstream package maintainers to ubuntu, have the same "we don't like it but we will accept non-open-source firmware into the main repository" policy? or would they put those packages in "contrib"/ "non-free" or something like that? | 03:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, usually a system service isn't "scheduled" as that is a task you would configure in something like Cron. But yes, you start/stop/enable/disable services via the systemctl command (for those tasks that are setup to work with it) | 03:36 |
| guiverc | non-open-source goes in non-free in debian agio - debian are stricter (one of the things that people find Ubuntu easier) | 03:36 |
| dax | agio: debian doesn't put closed-source firmware into main, it goes into non-free or contrib | 03:37 |
| widp | pragmaticenigma: does that mean I have to setup a cron job for a systemd service? | 03:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, no, they are two separate things | 03:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, what are you trying to do? | 03:37 |
| widp | setting up offlineimap | 03:37 |
| widp | https://github.com/OfflineIMAP/offlineimap/blob/master/contrib/systemd/offlineimap%40.service | 03:38 |
| widp | using this .service file, | 03:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, a service manages it's own resources and scheduling. it continuously runs from boot to shutdown. | 03:38 |
| widp | pragmaticenigma: how do I ensure it runs on every boot? | 03:38 |
| widp | I put that file in .config/systemd/offlineimap.service and ran systemctl enable offlineimap.service. | 03:39 |
| widp | is that enough? | 03:39 |
| widp | I mean systemctl --user enable offlineimap.service | 03:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, on a high level, the first one was correct... I don't know anything about the --user argument for systemctl | 03:40 |
| dax | agio: also, Linux kernel packages in Ubuntu aren't sourced from Debian, they're created by Ubuntu's kernel team. That would also go for most (possibly all? not sure) firmware packages. | 03:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, did you install offlineimap with apt or another source? | 03:41 |
| widp | yes, I used apt | 03:41 |
| dax | agio: so if you end up comparing the two, expect different package names/contents | 03:41 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, it wasn't configured by default for upstart ? | 03:42 |
| widp | I don't think so. | 03:42 |
| agio | guiverc: yeah, last time I tried installing debian - my wifi didn't get setup - because my hardware requires some non-free packages - which was a deal breaker for me - mostly because I couldn't connect to the internet get information or to download the packages I needed! | 03:43 |
| dax | debian has an unofficial (everything non-free in debian is unofficial, the official distribution only includes main) installer iso containing non-free firmware, but #debian would know more about it | 03:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, check systemctl list-units | grep offlineimap and see if it comes up with anything | 03:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, check "systemctl list-units | grep offlineimap" and see if it comes up with anything | 03:46 |
| widp | nope, nothing. | 03:46 |
| agio | dax: thanks. yeah there is a non-free downloader here: | 03:47 |
| agio | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ | 03:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, that file should not go into a user directory | 03:47 |
| agio | dax: but there is no torrent download for it - so you need to get a whole download as one clean full HTTP request - which my flaky network couldn't support | 03:48 |
| dax | ah | 03:48 |
| widp | are you sure, I was reading on the arch wiki that that is exactly what I should do. | 03:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, Ubuntu is not the same as Arch... what works there, may not work here | 03:49 |
| dax | pragmaticenigma: systemctl --user does user services management, and does indeed put files inside ~/ | 03:49 |
| widp | hmm, so what should I do? | 03:49 |
| dax | on ubuntu, arch, and most any other current systemd distro | 03:50 |
| dax | i've never used it, but it's a thing | 03:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | dax, would that mean it only runs that service when the user logs in? | 03:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | dax, or does it set it self up to run under that user's permissions on boot? | 03:51 |
| dax | it runs on login, and stops when all of a user's sessions are closed | 03:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, if your intention is for offlineimap to run only when you're account is logged in, that would be an appropriate place to put the configuration | 03:52 |
| auctus | ubuntu (several versions, 16.04-18.04) has a problem where sometimes (or every time, on my previous machine) itll show you what's on the screen *before* showing you the lock screen | 03:52 |
| auctus | maybe i should make a bug report | 03:52 |
| auctus | tried on 16.04 on a core2duo and just found the same issue on 18.04 on a haswell i5 laptop | 03:52 |
| pragmaticenigma | auctus, are you using the propriatary drivers for your video card? | 03:52 |
| widp | pragmaticenigma: I'll just put that in my .profile or .zshrc, that should do , right? | 03:53 |
| widp | duct tape linux | 03:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | widp, not certain... | 03:53 |
| SpurGoat | #ratchat | 03:53 |
| auctus | pragmaticenigma: both of these are integrated graphics, x3100 on core2duo, HD4400 on core i5 | 03:54 |
| auctus | intel graphics | 03:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | SpurGoat, try /join #ratchat | 03:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | auctus, is it on cold boot, reboot, post screensaver? | 03:54 |
| DarkAceZ | hi, can anyone help me with not being able to access over half of my drives unless I'm root, in a brand new installation? | 03:55 |
| auctus | post screensaver and/or wake from sleep on laptop | 03:55 |
| DarkAceZ | some of them won't even show up without root access | 03:55 |
| auctus | 100% certain it happens on wake from sleep, not sure about just if screensaver | 03:55 |
| agio | DarkAceZ: who owns the files - possiby a user account from the previous machine? | 03:56 |
| auctus | ^ yeah its what agio said im pretty sure | 03:56 |
| DarkAceZ | root owns them, agio | 03:56 |
| DarkAceZ | all of them | 03:56 |
| auctus | chown -R /drive ? im a noob too | 03:56 |
| auctus | wait i guess its chown -R username /drive | 03:56 |
| DarkAceZ | and I can't find a way to mount them in a way that my user will own them | 03:56 |
| auctus | sudo chown -R username /drive | 03:57 |
| DarkAceZ | it _SHOULD_ happen automatically | 03:57 |
| pipp8 | DarkAceZ, man chmod | 03:57 |
| pragmaticenigma | auctus, that's a bad technique | 03:57 |
| agio | DarkAceZ: not really it should happen automatically | 03:57 |
| auctus | pragmaticenigma: whats the better idea? im not much of a linux admin | 03:57 |
| auctus | i guess that would override several users and might not always be desireable | 03:58 |
| DarkAceZ | so you're suggesting I change the permissions of everything recursively in all drives? | 03:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, NO | 03:58 |
| auctus | DarkAceZ: listen to those guys not me :p | 03:58 |
| pipp8 | /chmod -R 770 /home should | 03:58 |
| pipp8 | showld be better | 03:58 |
| agio | but then what about files others need to read? | 03:59 |
| pragmaticenigma | auctus, the issue you're experiencing isn't something that is fixable via bug. What you are seeing is a momentary view of what was last in the frame buffer. The video driver hasn't received a new instruction fast enough to clear the buffer and show the lock screen, so a momentary view of the last image displayed is sometimes seen | 03:59 |
| pipp8 | agio which files? system files? | 03:59 |
| agio | and folders should have a diffent perm set than files | 04:00 |
| auctus | pragmaticenigma: so put the lock screen in the framebuffer before setting the laptop to sleep | 04:00 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, which files are you trying to access | 04:00 |
| pragmaticenigma | auctus, it tries to | 04:00 |
| agio | pipp8: any of them /home is huge there are countless files in there | 04:00 |
| auctus | pragmaticenigma: so then this probably works on other models of laptops? I'm talking about an HP 6910p and a Dell E7440 | 04:01 |
| DarkAceZ | pragmaticenigma: any and all of my files on my drives other than sda | 04:01 |
| DarkAceZ | ubuntu has automated the mounting process of these drives, and only gives ownership to root | 04:01 |
| pipp8 | agio, so chmod -R a+r /home | 04:01 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, I would need examples on where the folders are mounted to give you proper directory | 04:01 |
| DarkAceZ | /media/ace/Archive | 04:02 |
| DarkAceZ | you're saying replace /home with my drive location | 04:02 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, No | 04:02 |
| DarkAceZ | because I did not interpret that | 04:02 |
| pipp8 | DarkAceZ,try: chmod -R a+r /media/ace/Archive | 04:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | pipp8, STOP... let's figure out what they are trying to do first before giving them random commands | 04:03 |
| pipp8 | pragmaticenigma, ok sorry | 04:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, is this drive using NTFS or a native linux supported file system like EXT4, ZFS, etc? | 04:04 |
| agio | agreed. pipp8 - that command would apply to directories - and no-one else could enter that entire disk. | 04:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, the command would enable read access for user/group/everyone on all files and directories... it's harmless but wouldn't solve what might be going on with the mounting of the drive in the first place | 04:06 |
| DarkAceZ | pragmaticenigma: there's multiple drives, some of them have EXT4 partitions, some NTFS | 04:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio u = user, g = group, o = others, a = all | 04:07 |
| DarkAceZ | only one of the drives works, and it has both an EXT4 and an NTFS partition on it | 04:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, are these drives listed in fstab? | 04:07 |
| DarkAceZ | yes | 04:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | can you pastebin your fstab for us at pastebin.ubuntu.com ? | 04:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, ^ ^ | 04:08 |
| DarkAceZ | oops, sorry, pragmaticenigma, they're in my fdisk -l | 04:08 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: all thanks - I thought `a' meant "others" but you're saying `a' means u,g,o all together right? | 04:08 |
| DarkAceZ | I don't have fstab | 04:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | fstab is located in /etc/fstab | 04:09 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio correct | 04:09 |
| DarkAceZ | well then is that effectively the same output? fdisk -l | 04:09 |
| pragmaticenigma | DarkAceZ, I know, but it also has the default configuration for how they are mounted | 04:10 |
| Speed_ | how do you boot with noview? | 04:11 |
| DarkAceZ | pragmaticenigma: thanks for helping so far, I'm going to restart first because the drive order is messed up for some unknown reason | 04:13 |
| starfire | leave | 04:16 |
| s10gopal | which kernel comes default in ubuntu 16.04 LTS ? | 04:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | s10gopal, check "uname -r" | 04:22 |
| s10gopal | i am on ubuntu 14.04 lts | 04:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | s10gopal, it may help to know what you are attempting to do? | 04:23 |
| guiverc | s10gopal, 4.4 | 04:24 |
| s10gopal | pragmaticenigma, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 happen on ubuntu 16.04 lts , but with ubuntu 14.04 lts i have tested it and dont happen(tested on kernel 4.4 to 4.10) | 04:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1745646 in linux (Ubuntu) "Battery drains when laptop is off (shutdown)" [Medium,New] | 04:24 |
| s10gopal | pragmaticenigma, i want to find on which kernel the bug came | 04:25 |
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| pragmaticenigma | s10gopal, if I follow the bug thread, it is believed to have come down from upstream and might be related to WOL feature. If you disable WOL in the BIOS does the problem go away? | 04:29 |
| s10gopal | pragmaticenigma, no | 04:29 |
| s10gopal | pragmaticenigma, please see this too https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 | 04:30 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 198665 in Power-Off "Battery drains when laptop is off (shutdown) . WOL disabled and no usb device connected." [High,Needinfo] | 04:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | s10gopal, you might want to reach out in /join ##kernel ... since it appears to be an upstream issue | 04:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | s10gopal, that would pinpoint better the release, which you can then follow downstream to ubuntu and when it might have been introduced by ther Ubuntu kernel maintainers | 04:32 |
| s10gopal | pragmaticenigma, any chances that it is ubuntu bug not kernel ? | 04:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | s10gopal, seeing as there is still active discussion on bugzilla.kernel.org thread, I would imagine the answer is for the moment no, it's a kernel bug from upstream | 04:36 |
| s10gopal | pragmaticenigma, thx | 04:37 |
| DarkAceZ | thanks for your time guys | 04:41 |
| agio | can anyone tell me- when Im running the ubiquity installer - what the "install third party software for graphics and Wi-Fi hardware, flash , Mp3 and other media " is all about? | 04:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, similar to the discussion on linux-firmware... they either have restrictions on their distribution or require user interaction to be installed because of license agreements | 04:51 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: I was more thinking about what gets installed? e.g. if choose "no" at the ubiquity install but decide later to enable - how would I do that ? | 04:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, an example. if you have an nvidia GPU, by default the nouveau display driver is used. If you enable "3rd party..." it will install the vendor supplied Nvidia drivers instead | 04:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | nouveau is free and open source but doesn't have all the features enabled that the vendor supplied driver does | 04:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, there are ways of obtaining the packages later... the feature in the installer offers a convenient way of obtaining them during install | 04:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio for instance to get flash later, you would just run the command "sudo apt install flashplugin-installer" for adobe flash | 04:56 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: oh ok, thanks. I think I would rather do that - as I at least know what Im installing. | 04:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, it's how I do my systems... just get the main install done, then add the rest later | 04:57 |
| agio | I guess ubiquity is just offering the convienience for those people who just dont want to know ! | 04:57 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, this channel can help get you the right installers. The main thing to remember, always use apt whenever possible. and avoid any 3rd party PPAs | 04:57 |
| endersending | is anyone in here familiar with multipath? | 04:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | endersending, it is best to ask your question... if someone knows how to help, they'll reply | 04:59 |
| endersending | i have some fibre channel disks, and im having a problem with scsi reservations. i have some multipath issues, and i think the machine is waiting fir disks to flush, they dont so it hangs | 04:59 |
| endersending | i have done a reboot, and then im stuck with a zfs pool that cant import because of the disks having a reservation on them | 05:00 |
| endersending | i have fixed it before with a combination of multipath -d reconfigure, multipath -F, -r, reboot | 05:01 |
| endersending | got everything working, and then i tried to destroy a pool. i think it hung on my multipathing setup, and since it had to be rebooted, the disks were reserved and i need to flush that or reset it so i can import them | 05:01 |
| pragmaticenigma | endersending, did you come across this article? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/multipath-admin-and-troubleshooting.html | 05:02 |
| endersending | when i say reboot, the computer is responsive, but the zfs command wont return, and any other zfs commands will hang after waiting for the first to complete | 05:02 |
| endersending | ill look | 05:02 |
| endersending | Whenever multipath.conf is updated, so should the initrd by executing update-initramfs -u -k all. ' | 05:04 |
| endersending | is the only true for persitance on reboot? | 05:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | endersending, I'm not certain, I can only do my best to help triage, as I'm not experienced in this type of configuration | 05:05 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: yes I like the idea of doing a minimal install so initial install gets up and running fast, then I can add stuff as needed later | 05:11 |
| endersending | pragmaticenigma, im reading... | 05:13 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: for that reason I would like to connect ubiquity to Wifi/network so it can download and install latest packages right away - rather than install off the installer - then update cache and re-install everything again - problem is - ubiquity seems to install huge amount of language files - I only speak english and dont need all that -so I disable wifi completely during the install to prevent | 05:13 |
| agio | this | 05:13 |
| agio | do you know how I can enable wifi during install, but avoid downloading language packs? | 05:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, are you using the mini.iso? | 05:14 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: I don't know what the mini.iso is, I'm using the main official 16.04.3 live USB iso | 05:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 05:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | It's a CLI installer, which will install only the core ubuntu packages by default (you can install some components like Desktop Environments, servers too) | 05:17 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: oh you mean the TUI installer? | 05:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | I think so | 05:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | not familiar with the term TUI | 05:18 |
| === sigsts is now known as skyroveRR | ||
| agio | pragmaticenigma: I take it you are familiar with the screens that you commands like "dpkg-reconfigure" give you? | 05:20 |
| agio | the TUI installer is lots of screens like that - its not command line | 05:20 |
| === danny is now known as Guest77701 | ||
| agio | you can move a cursor around with arrow keys and select options from menu's etc | 05:21 |
| agio | TUI -> "text user interface" like a GUI in spirit but UI is made from text characters | 05:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio: sure, the only caveat to the mini.iso is it doesn't support UEFI installations | 05:25 |
| agio | pragmaticenigma: nice thanks. the mini.iso looks cool | 05:27 |
| mad_ | Boa noite, a todos. | 05:30 |
| skyroveRR | :) | 05:35 |
| ubone | hello, is there a simillar setting to change gnome's colour temperature during day time gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.color night-light-temperature | 05:35 |
| === Jochen_wvdT is now known as Schlawiner | ||
| mstr_ | hi | 05:46 |
| tripelb | hello. my 16.04 installation is all jammed up in the gui, except I could open terminal. So I installed and started irssi (which I have never used. I did top. But "kill -9 chrome didnt work. QUESTION: How do I kill chrome. | 05:50 |
| tripelb | when I say jammed I mean fromzen. | 05:50 |
| tripelb | when I say jammed I mean frozen. The mouse moves but does nothing. I started Terminal with cont-alt-T | 05:51 |
| triplebeer | oops started another terminal window only to realize that it covers the first one and there is nothing I know how to do to move it. | 05:54 |
| triplebeer | OK same question. how do I kill chrome. | 05:54 |
| triplebeer | top | 05:54 |
| triplebeer | oops brain fart. | 05:54 |
| triplebeer | will someone please kick tripelb which is me,. | 05:55 |
| triplebeer | this isnt helping. she moves to her phone. | 05:56 |
| === mkv is now known as m4v | ||
| triplebeer | exit | 06:01 |
| triplebeer | exit | 06:02 |
| triplebeer | quit | 06:02 |
| triplebeer | q | 06:02 |
| agio | I usually use htop to kill chrome | 06:02 |
| agio | it doesn't respond to the TERM signal so I use KILL | 06:03 |
| agio | does anyone know of a decent screencast explaining how to use aptitude's TUI interface? | 06:07 |
| === skyroveRR is now known as sigsts | ||
| triplebeer | thanks for ignoring me. the solution was killall -9 chrome instaead of kill -9 chrome ---- I am now feeling resentment so I shall go. | 06:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, what are you getting hung up on? | 06:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, you can follow this guide all the way up to the Post-Installation. (Post-Installation is old stuff and I wouldn't recommend installing it since some of the packages are no longer included) | 06:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-a-minimal-ubuntu-on-old-laptop/ | 06:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | agio, here is one for 16.04 https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/ubuntu-lts-minimal-server/ | 06:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | I've gotta bounce, night all | 06:16 |
| endersending | thsi multipathing is kicking my butt | 06:47 |
| endersending | everything WAS fine, right now, multipath doesnt seem to be running. i cant connect using multipathd -k | 06:47 |
| EriC^^ | !info multipath | 06:48 |
| ubottu | Package multipath does not exist in artful | 06:48 |
| endersending | multipath-tools | 06:48 |
| EriC^^ | !info multipath-tools | 06:48 |
| ubottu | multipath-tools (source: multipath-tools): maintain multipath block device access. In component main, is extra. Version 0.6.4-5ubuntu1 (artful), package size 215 kB, installed size 779 kB | 06:48 |
| endersending | i have 12 disks, all zoned for the machine sees 4 paths each. dmesg says resevation conflict. | 06:50 |
| endersending | sometime multipath will show only 1 or 2 paths to a disk, where the disk rigth next to it will have all 4 | 06:50 |
| EriC^^ | endersending: can you paste the dmesg errors? | 06:58 |
| endersending | yes, hold on | 07:00 |
| endersending | this is all that is relevent: [ 241.445917] sd 2:0:3:0: reservation conflict | 07:02 |
| endersending | root@fibre:/dev# multipath -r | 07:04 |
| endersending | Apr 01 02:04:35 | /lib/dev/scsi_id exitted with 255 | 07:04 |
| === apsknight1 is now known as apsknight | ||
| lotuspsychje | endersending: are you arranged in raid? | 07:09 |
| calimero_82 | hi guys, i've installed ubuntu at my girlfriend, but now we don't find our files, i'm linked with her with teamviewer, any idea? | 07:46 |
| calimero_82 | thanks | 07:46 |
| asyterirc36485 | \debug | 07:47 |
| alive876 | hi, i'm trying to use transmission to download a file, but i get this open: xdg-open . Any help appreciated | 07:48 |
| calimero_82 | any idea? | 07:49 |
| agio | when Im in aptitude and I enter a "tree" say like: universe, then scroll down many screens, does anyone know how I can return to the top of the "tree"/section I am in - or at least closing the tree? | 07:50 |
| guiverc | calimero_82, if you are connected now; I'd try `lsblk` (list block devices) to view partitions... (gparted, disks or other tools can view the info using gui) | 07:51 |
| calimero_82 | guiverc, i must write in terminal only lsblk ? | 07:53 |
| guiverc | yep | 07:55 |
| elichai2 | Hi | 07:55 |
| elichai2 | when I run ls all the symlinks have an underline and are blinking, how can I cancel this? | 07:56 |
| elichai2 | ok, it looks like it's byobu's fault | 07:58 |
| guiverc | elichai2, do you mean the whole term is blinking?? `reset` may help (reset beign a command) | 07:59 |
| elichai2 | only the symlinks are blinking, but it's byobu's fault, i'm trying to check how to cancel only this | 08:01 |
| alive876 | hi, i am trying to use transmission to download a file. i get open xdg-open then: The specified location is not supported. Any help appreciated | 08:12 |
| DaShaggyRoo | 57 | 08:18 |
| a50212 | Hi all | 08:18 |
| === yCrazyEdd is now known as CrazyEddy | ||
| guiverc | alive876, do you get the xdg-open error from a browser, or on trying to open a file within transmission? | 08:35 |
| alive876 | in the browser | 08:36 |
| alive876 | guiverc in the browser | 08:38 |
| guiverc | alive876, I'd suggest 'save torrent' to disk, then open in transmission. what browser are you using? | 08:40 |
| alive876 | chrome | 08:40 |
| alive876 | wher is 'save torrent to disk'? | 08:42 |
| ioria | alive876, are you trying a magnet or a file.torrent ? | 08:42 |
| alive876 | magnetic | 08:43 |
| niko1990 | Hello everyone | 08:43 |
| alive876 | is transmission still viable? | 08:43 |
| ioria | alive876, sure, chrome might have some problem with that... download the file.torrent as guiverc said | 08:44 |
| guiverc | i know nothing about 'magnets | 08:44 |
| Draegon | I have a Ugee graphics tablet which "works", but I'd like to be able to use it fully. The issue I'm having are hotkey button, tablet vs monitor aspect ratio, touch sensitivity. Is there any way I can get this resolved? | 08:45 |
| guiverc | (sorry ) i know nothing about magnets; yes transmission is good, but gotta go sorry... | 08:46 |
| alive876 | ioria i dont see an option to download the file on the torrent sight | 08:46 |
| alive876 | site | 08:47 |
| cfhowlett | it won't be on the sight. if transmission opens, it offers to DL or open transmission | 08:47 |
| cfhowlett | otherwise, right click the torrent link and save | 08:47 |
| Draegon | @alive876 what torrent program are you using? | 08:47 |
| ioria | alive876, the link , please | 08:47 |
| alive876 | transmission isnt opening | 08:48 |
| niko1990 | I have a problem right now, and i figure out why this happens: I have a ubuntu file server in my network, on this server is a virtual win7 (with own ip adress) running too. The ubuntu servers firewall is to accept all data packages. Everything works fine in the network. If I now connect with VPN to my network, I can ping and work with all network devices in my network, but not with my ubuntu server. The pings always e | 08:48 |
| s10gopal | how to remove installed kernel | 08:49 |
| alive876 | how can i check to see if transmission is there? | 08:49 |
| alive876 | is it a service? | 08:49 |
| cfhowlett | alive876, open a terminal: which transmission | 08:49 |
| ioria | alive876, transmission should be installed by default .... | 08:49 |
| agio | alive876: try `pgrep -f -a transmission' | 08:49 |
| alive876 | this is actally gallium os which is some kind of hybrid for chromebooks | 08:50 |
| Draegon | @alive876 I use Deluge, all u do us right click & choose copy link, then paste that into Link option in ur torrent program | 08:51 |
| cfhowlett | alive876, then it is absolutely not supported here as this is UBUNTU. | 08:51 |
| cfhowlett | suggest you see the gallium OS links for support | 08:51 |
| ioria | alive876, btw, the command is transmission-gtk not transmission | 08:51 |
| s10gopal | how to remove new kernel installed ? i want to remove all kernels installed above 4.4.0-116-generic | 08:53 |
| cfhowlett | what ubuntu are you on, s10gopal ? | 08:54 |
| Draegon | I am using Ubuntu 14.04 for the moment, until I get a new computer to upgrade, is there any way to remap the hotkeys on graphics tablets? | 08:54 |
| s10gopal | cfhowlett, 14.04 | 08:54 |
| cfhowlett | s10gopal, then you have to do it manually for each kernel | 08:54 |
| s10gopal | cfhowlett, please guide | 08:55 |
| cfhowlett | http://tuxtweaks.com/2010/10/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu-with-one-command/ | 08:55 |
| s10gopal | cfhowlett, but i am removing new kernel | 08:56 |
| cfhowlett | NOT the currently booted kernel though right? | 08:56 |
| s10gopal | cfhowlett, yes | 08:57 |
| ioria | s10gopal, i know i'am looking for troubles, but paste dpkg -l | grep linux-image-[0-9]|grep ^ii | 08:59 |
| agio | does anyone know how to change the sorting / grouping of packages that aptitude TUI/graphical UI uses ? | 09:00 |
| s10gopal | ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BC95zYwkNR/ | 09:00 |
| agio | e.g. show by repo, or by component etc. instead of like this: | 09:00 |
| agio | https://www.linuxnov.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Aptitude-package-manager-Ubuntu-13.04-Raring-Ringtail.png | 09:00 |
| ioria | s10gopal, sudo apt purge linux-image-4.10.0-041000-generic | 09:01 |
| s10gopal | ioria, done | 09:01 |
| ioria | s10gopal, uname -r | 09:02 |
| s10gopal | ioria, 4.4.0-116-generic | 09:02 |
| ioria | s10gopal, ok, repeat the same cmd for the others (not for 116 and 112) | 09:02 |
| Draegon | I've tried looking for guides to resolve my graphics tablet issues, without success. Is there any guides, especially that aren't out of date, that might be able to help? | 09:02 |
| s10gopal | ioria, thx | 09:04 |
| ioria | s10gopal, you're welcm | 09:04 |
| cfhowlett | s10gopal, curious: why delete the latest kernel? | 09:06 |
| s10gopal | cfhowlett, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 | 09:07 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 198665 in Power-Off "Battery drains when laptop is off (shutdown) . WOL disabled and no usb device connected." [High,Needinfo] | 09:07 |
| cfhowlett | ahhhhh, right. | 09:07 |
| cfhowlett | nasty | 09:08 |
| s10gopal | i should try 4.11 or 4.12 ? | 09:08 |
| hussein_ | guten morgen | 09:09 |
| cfhowlett | !de | hussein_ | 09:10 |
| ubottu | hussein_: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! | 09:10 |
| Draegon | Is this the correct channel to ask for support for graphics tablets, or is there somewhere different I should be asking/searching/reading? | 09:21 |
| Draegon | Is there anyone here with knowledge of graphics tablets? | 09:28 |
| lotuspsychje | Draegon: best to ask your specific ubuntu version to the channel so vounteers can try to help | 09:36 |
| Draegon | I did mention earlier I am using Ubuntu 14.04 | 09:37 |
| Draegon | if that helps? | 09:37 |
| lotuspsychje | Draegon: volunteers come and go here all day, thats why its best to ask your full question, all in one line once in a while with all details | 09:39 |
| Draegon | ok. | 09:39 |
| lotuspsychje | Draegon: usefull details are: ubuntu version, kernel version, system up to date, steps tryed, hardware version etc | 09:41 |
| Draegon | Ok, thank you. I will make sure to do that after, I have to go out for a lil while shortly. | 09:41 |
| Draegon | How do I find out the kernel version I have? | 09:42 |
| MonkeyDust | uname -r | 09:42 |
| Draegon | thank you @MonkeyDust | 09:43 |
| Draegon | The hardware version, is that to do with the graphics tablet, or the pc itself? | 09:44 |
| lotuspsychje | Draegon: graphics tablet type for sure, and depending if you connect it to pc? or has tablet itself ubuntu? | 09:45 |
| Draegon | I'm not sure what "type" it would be classed as, it just connects with a cable. It's not one of the Wacom type with a digital screen or anything. Just a tablet you draw on to, and everything is seen on the computer. | 09:47 |
| === daniel is now known as Guest5557 | ||
| Guest5557 | good morning | 10:25 |
| Guest5557 | bom dia | 10:25 |
| Guest5557 | alguem poderia me ajudar | 10:26 |
| Guest5557 | como faço para mudar a pasta /home e por em outra partição? | 10:26 |
| geirha | !pt | Guest5557 | 10:27 |
| ubottu | Guest5557: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada. | 10:27 |
| Guest5557 | thanks! | 10:28 |
| === Sircle_ is now known as Sircle | ||
| === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka | ||
| multifractal | I have 16.04 on a Dell 9365. Just recently, whenever I plug in headphones or external speakers, no sound comes out. This has only been going on the last couple of days. The headphone jack functions perfect on my Win10 partition. | 11:16 |
| multifractal | Oh NVM I just did this https://askubuntu.com/questions/768463/laptop-headphone-jack-produces-no-sound | 11:18 |
| guiverc | multifractal, I'd just load `pavucontrol` & confirm its not muted... I find myself doing this on occasion on strange keyboards (hitting the mute key) | 11:18 |
| skinux | When you open a .deb with Synaptic, where do you find it to actually install it? | 12:22 |
| cfhowlett | where ever you stored it, skinux. are you installing debs from outside of ubuntu repositories? not the best idea ... | 12:23 |
| skinux | Well, sometimes the repo debs don't work | 12:25 |
| skinux | Or are freaking old | 12:26 |
| cfhowlett | both are good reasons to not use them. | 12:26 |
| skinux | I like stability, but I don't like ancient versions | 12:26 |
| cfhowlett | but using .debs from outside = you take your chances | 12:26 |
| cfhowlett | better to compile from source | 12:26 |
| skinux | Taking chances versus ancient or fucked....I'll take my chances | 12:26 |
| zergut | hello | 12:27 |
| zergut | how to localize sound problems on ubuntu? | 12:28 |
| cfhowlett | !sound | zergut start here | 12:28 |
| ubottu | zergut start here: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. | 12:28 |
| zergut | cfhowlett: i have a question on first step | 12:31 |
| cfhowlett | ask | 12:31 |
| zergut | cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec gave me output | 12:31 |
| zergut | Codec: Realtek ALC282 | 12:31 |
| zergut | Codec: Intel Valleyview2 HDMI | 12:31 |
| zergut | i think the problem could be in this | 12:32 |
| zergut | how manually switch output tp realtek | 12:32 |
| cfhowlett | yep | 12:32 |
| cfhowlett | zergut, you have no sound now? | 12:33 |
| zergut | yes, i dont have sound | 12:33 |
| cfhowlett | do you have vlc installed? play some media through there | 12:34 |
| zergut | no sound | 12:37 |
| cfhowlett | OK seems you are running hdmi output then. looking now to see how to manually switch | 12:38 |
| ledeni | zergut, open terminal alsamiser f6 select soundcard | 12:39 |
| Pan51 | zergut: to change the soundcard if you have more them one, "alsamixer" then f2 to change it | 12:39 |
| ledeni | zergut, *alsamixer | 12:40 |
| Pan51 | zergut: i meant f6 to change it | 12:40 |
| zergut | ledeni Pan51 hmm.. strage there is only one device in alsamixer | 12:43 |
| zergut | strange | 12:43 |
| cfhowlett | zergut, try: pacmd list-sinks | grep name: | 12:44 |
| cfhowlett | should show a hdmi and pulseaudio entry | 12:44 |
| zergut | <alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo> cfhowlett | 12:45 |
| cfhowlett | huh. well that is your normal output and the one you want. | 12:45 |
| cfhowlett | pacmd-set-default-sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo | 12:47 |
| cfhowlett | ***should*** set the default | 12:48 |
| zergut | command not found | 12:49 |
| cfhowlett | ah!!! typo alert | 12:50 |
| cfhowlett | pacmd set-default-sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo | 12:50 |
| cfhowlett | kill the first hypen and set a space | 12:50 |
| zergut | still no sound | 12:52 |
| cfhowlett | ubuntu version?? | 12:53 |
| azizLIGHT | how do i launch terminal with specific terminal profile from .desktop file. what to put for exec= ? | 12:53 |
| azizLIGHT | im on 17.10 | 12:53 |
| azizLIGHT | oh no im on 16.04 | 12:54 |
| cfhowlett | zergut, what ubuntu version> | 12:54 |
| zergut | cfhowlett: 14.04.5 | 12:55 |
| === r0Oter is now known as r00ter | ||
| cfhowlett | zergut, try this: pactl list cards | grep also.card | 12:56 |
| denixx|h2 | Hi! | 12:56 |
| zergut | no output | 12:56 |
| denixx|h2 | Can anyone say me the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu? | 12:56 |
| cfhowlett | zergut, try this: pactl list cards | grep alsa.card | 12:57 |
| cfhowlett | ***alsa*** | 12:57 |
| lotuspsychje | denixx|h2: no polls here please | 12:57 |
| denixx|h2 | I'm messing with Lenovo MIIX 320-10ICR | 12:57 |
| cfhowlett | denixx|h2, both are ubuntu. different look and default apps | 12:57 |
| lotuspsychje | denixx|h2: try #ubuntu-discuss | 12:57 |
| zergut | Имя: alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1b.0 | 12:57 |
| zergut | Драйвер: module-alsa-card.c | 12:57 |
| zergut | alsa.card = "0" | 12:57 |
| zergut | alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel PCH" | 12:57 |
| denixx|h2 | And Kubuntu boots into graphic mode normally, main display works. And Ubuntu with Unity can't handle main display :( | 12:58 |
| zergut | cfhowlett: имя = Name , driver = драйвер | 12:58 |
| cfhowlett | unity is going bye-bye denixx|h2 choose accodingly | 12:58 |
| denixx|h2 | cfhowlett: I'm thinking now that Unity will be more preferable for tablet, isn't it? | 12:59 |
| cfhowlett | no longer developed or supported. | 12:59 |
| cfhowlett | at least not officially | 12:59 |
| denixx|h2 | cfhowlett: So, I should install KDE (Plasma, actually), and like it even more? ) | 13:00 |
| cfhowlett | do you have ubuntu installed now, denixx|h2 | 13:00 |
| lotuspsychje | !flavors | denixx|h2 | 13:00 |
| ubottu | denixx|h2: Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours | 13:00 |
| lol768 | I have a question regarding the setuid bit. I thought if it was set the process would *automatically* have the EUID of the owner of the file but it appears this is not the case - the process needs to still call seteuid(2)? | 13:01 |
| ledeni | zergut,witch card is showing in alsamixer | 13:01 |
| cfhowlett | zergut, see this one https://askubuntu.com/questions/41858/shortcut-to-switch-between-analog-stereo-output-hdmi-audio-output | 13:01 |
| zergut | https://dpaste.de/Hgzy | 13:01 |
| zergut | is it possible? | 13:01 |
| denixx|h2 | cfhowlett: 18.04 Desktop, and main display is not working. I've tried Ubuntu 16.04.4 after Kubuntu, and it won't work with main display too. | 13:01 |
| cfhowlett | sudo? why are you using sudo? zergut | 13:02 |
| zergut | noob | 13:02 |
| zergut | :) | 13:02 |
| cfhowlett | denixx|h2, you can easily test alternate destkop environments | 13:02 |
| cfhowlett | sudo apt install xfce4 would intall xfce4 | 13:03 |
| denixx|h2 | So, I should search for support of touchscreens in KDE, actually. Thanks 2 all. :) | 13:03 |
| cfhowlett | zergut, to output in English go to your terminal: export LC ALL=C | 13:03 |
| cfhowlett | switch back to normal with unse LC_All | 13:04 |
| zergut | switching via pavucontrol doesnt help | 13:04 |
| cfhowlett | note the LC_ALL LC _ bar | 13:04 |
| ledeni | zergut,can you tell us lspci | grep Audio | 13:07 |
| zergut | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0a) ledeni | 13:09 |
| meeseeks | Hi I have an weird problem: some youtube videos have no audio in firefox, as most of them are fine I assumed it was the videos but now I notice that a video that had no audio in ff does have audio in chrome | 13:12 |
| meeseeks | am a bit stumped about how to diagnose this | 13:13 |
| cfhowlett | are you playing the HD videos in all cases? | 13:13 |
| meeseeks | have to check one moment | 13:13 |
| cfhowlett | and make sure you haven't muted the video tab in FF | 13:13 |
| ledeni | zergut, give us 'pacmd list-sinks | nc termbin.com 9999' | 13:16 |
| meeseeks | the tab is not muted I double checked that, the example I noticed now only shows SD in firefox and 720 in chrome | 13:16 |
| ikonia | pacmd ? | 13:16 |
| ikonia | what is pacmd ? | 13:16 |
| meeseeks | so it's not HD atm | 13:16 |
| meeseeks | I will have to check an example that has HD | 13:17 |
| cfhowlett | ikonia: reconfigure pulseaudio server command | 13:17 |
| ikonia | that's useful to know | 13:17 |
| meeseeks | or can I do this some other way (there are not that many videos that don't work | 13:18 |
| cfhowlett | yep. hasn't quited worked out for zergut yet | 13:18 |
| meeseeks | ) | 13:18 |
| ikonia | still useful | 13:18 |
| zergut | ledeni: http://termbin.com/pi80 | 13:18 |
| cfhowlett | meeseeks, you were right. tis a pretty puzzle | 13:18 |
| meeseeks | cfhowlett: Codecs vp09.00.51.08.01.01.01.01 (244) / opus (251) | 13:19 |
| meeseeks | this is the codec in the silent movie | 13:19 |
| cfhowlett | only thing I can think is ***maybe*** some obscure codec is being launched but YT codecs are standardized. if one plays they should all play ... | 13:20 |
| meeseeks | cfhowlett: yeah now I am watching a 1080p with the same Codecs vp09.00.51.08.01.01.01.01 (248) / opus (251) | 13:21 |
| cfhowlett | test a vimeo video in both browsers. | 13:22 |
| cfhowlett | meeseeks, | 13:22 |
| meeseeks | cfhowlett: btw I upgraded to bionic, have the same issue with twitter video's if that clarifies anything: none of them work | 13:23 |
| meeseeks | cfhowlett: checking the vimeo site brb | 13:23 |
| cfhowlett | can't help here: ask #ubuntu+1 as BB is not yet released | 13:24 |
| meeseeks | cfhowlett: vimeo works in hd/sd no problem, xcuse me I see bionic wraps on the next line with join ubuntu+1 | 13:28 |
| cfhowlett | best of luck meeseeks | 13:28 |
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| ledeni | zergut, can you run 'pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo' | 13:30 |
| azizLIGHT | i created .desktop file to launch gnome-terminal with specific terminal profile that does things, and the icon appearing on the unity taskbar (16.04) is terminal. is there a way to change it? i want this gnome-terminal window to have the icon of a clock (icon=clock in .desktop)... i have tried changing StartupWMClass but it doesnt affect | 13:31 |
| zergut | ledeni: still no sound | 13:33 |
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| franklyn | hola | 13:37 |
| franklyn | hola | 13:38 |
| Miguel78 | hola | 13:38 |
| cfhowlett | !es | 13:39 |
| ubottu | En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 13:39 |
| franklyn_ | /join #ubuntu-es | 13:41 |
| === nzoueidi_ is now known as nzoueidi | ||
| === u0m3__ is now known as u0m3 | ||
| ledeni | zergut, can you give us 'cat /proc/asound/modules | nc termbin.com 9999' | 14:00 |
| lulu | hello | 14:06 |
| === lulu is now known as Guest40242 | ||
| Guest40242 | hello | 14:06 |
| Guest40242 | what does the commend root toor do ? | 14:07 |
| Guest40242 | anyone > | 14:07 |
| tomreyn | Guest40242: are you asking what the command "root toor" does? | 14:11 |
| tomreyn | if so, unless there is a command "root" (by default there is not, and i'm not aware of one), it will just return with an error message saying that the command is not available. | 14:12 |
| Guest40242 | @tomreyn yes | 14:12 |
| tomreyn | Guest40242: why are you asking? | 14:12 |
| Guest40242 | an interview qestion | 14:12 |
| tomreyn | Guest40242: what kind of interview? | 14:13 |
| Guest40242 | for network administation | 14:13 |
| tomreyn | Guest40242: you should probably just install ubuntu to find out yourself. | 14:13 |
| Guest40242 | wow | 14:13 |
| Guest40242 | thankyou for your reply | 14:13 |
| Guest40242 | im forever in debt to you | 14:13 |
| Guest40242 | that was the most brilliant answer ive ever received | 14:14 |
| tomreyn | Guest40242: i assume you are being sarcastic | 14:14 |
| tomreyn | Guest40242: although this does not translate well over IRC | 14:14 |
| peter2222 | hi folks! | 14:27 |
| rud0lf | hi | 14:27 |
| peter2222 | anybody familiar with parallel-scp / pscp | 14:27 |
| peter2222 | ? | 14:27 |
| peter2222 | Hey rud0lf! Frohe Ostern | 14:27 |
| peter2222 | Happe Easter to all of you | 14:27 |
| rud0lf | happy easter \o/ i'm not german tho, my real name is David | 14:28 |
| rud0lf | so Wesołych Świąt Wielkanocnych to me :) | 14:28 |
| peter2222 | hehe sounds polish? right? | 14:28 |
| peter2222 | :-) | 14:29 |
| rud0lf | it is | 14:29 |
| rud0lf | good eye | 14:29 |
| peter2222 | Wesołych Świąt | 14:29 |
| peter2222 | :-) | 14:29 |
| rud0lf | :) | 14:29 |
| peter2222 | are you familiar with parallel-scp? | 14:30 |
| peter2222 | i tried using the following command: | 14:30 |
| peter2222 | parallel-scp -h hostips.txt -l root ~/Downloads/file.txt /home/\$USER/ | 14:30 |
| peter2222 | i d like to copy a file to the home folder of many different machines via parallel-scp | 14:31 |
| peter2222 | I tried to use the variable $USER | 14:31 |
| peter2222 | which obviously cant work cos the $USER is referring to my own system.. so i tried to mask it with \ but that doesnt work either... | 14:32 |
| peter2222 | is there a possibilit to get the hostmachine user names somehow? | 14:32 |
| peter2222 | they r running on guest mode so their usernames change everytime | 14:33 |
| leftyfb | peter2222: yeah, the user you're using to connect | 14:33 |
| leftyfb | you don't need /home/$USER | 14:33 |
| peter2222 | leftyfb thank you. well, thats the point.. i dont know the name... only that it starts with "guest" | 14:33 |
| leftyfb | just use hostname: | 14:34 |
| leftyfb | you do know the username or else you wouldn't be able to authenticate | 14:34 |
| peter2222 | hmm.. well i authenticate via root | 14:35 |
| leftyfb | then your user is root (also very dumb) | 14:35 |
| peter2222 | parallel-scp -h hostips.txt -l root ~/Downloads/file.txt /an/existing/folder/ is working fine | 14:35 |
| peter2222 | leftyfb: the machines are using guestmode with a random guest-name. | 14:36 |
| leftyfb | peter2222: what does that have to do with the fact that you're logging in as root? | 14:37 |
| peter2222 | i have access to the machines with root | 14:37 |
| peter2222 | the problem is: I dont know what name the temporary guest-session folder has cos the folder is renamed everytime on rebooting | 14:38 |
| ppf | peter2222: then would do you expect the command to do? | 14:38 |
| ppf | guess the right name? | 14:38 |
| ppf | how on earth should it do that? | 14:38 |
| peter2222 | ppf haha yeah... well that would be cool if possible... | 14:38 |
| peter2222 | there is a temporary working directory for guest-users | 14:39 |
| peter2222 | but maybe i should look for a different solution | 14:39 |
| peter2222 | :-) | 14:39 |
| leftyfb | peter2222: so let me get this straight, you're connecting to multiple servers with the username root, but you're not logged in as root, you're logged in as some randomly generated username? Or us it just the /home/ location that's randomly generated? Can you login via ssh and type: whoami | 14:40 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 14:40 |
| LordDragon | hey all | 14:40 |
| LordDragon | so im trying to install telnetd | 14:40 |
| LordDragon | and i get this error | 14:41 |
| ppf | leftyfb: he's logged in as root, but he wants to copy the file to some random directory | 14:41 |
| LordDragon | https://pastebin.com/x2WvbhKD | 14:41 |
| ppf | and random i mean literally | 14:41 |
| LordDragon | why wont it install those dependencies? | 14:41 |
| leftyfb | ppf: that is not confirmed | 14:41 |
| ppf | LordDragon: because you installed stuff from ppa's and have a dependency conflict | 14:41 |
| leftyfb | LordDragon: run the command it tells you to fix it | 14:41 |
| ikonia | LordDragon: very few situations would actually require telnet | 14:42 |
| ikonia | I'd suggest you evaluate if you really need/want telnet | 14:42 |
| LordDragon | blah | 14:42 |
| LordDragon | my /boot is full | 14:42 |
| LordDragon | so now i gotta clean it out | 14:43 |
| LordDragon | before i can install those dependencies :( | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | LordDragon: why do you think you need teletd? | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | telnetd* | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | *typing with a baby in your arms is hard* | 14:43 |
| peter2222 | leftyfb: i am logged in as root to multiple machines that are running and are using Ubuntu on guest-mode. I d like to send them files via parallel-scp / pscp. the problem is, that if a guest user is logged in, ubuntu creates a random directory like for example /home/guest-463299/ | 14:43 |
| LordDragon | leftyfb: because the computer i want to use with it is from the 80s and there is no ssh | 14:43 |
| ikonia | that seems unlikley | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | peter2222: ok, so you want to upload files to a home directory of user that's currently logged in. Not the user you're logging in as | 14:44 |
| peter2222 | leftyfb: yes that is right. im sorry for my bad english and explanation.. am not a native speaker | 14:44 |
| leftyfb | peter2222: you would need to run a script to do this that would first login, find the users that are currently logged in, get the $home for each and pass that to your pscp | 14:45 |
| leftyfb | LordDragon: please elaborate. Why would you need to remotely connect to your ubuntu server from the computer from the 80's? This machine from the 80's has a tcp stack? | 14:46 |
| peter2222 | leftyfb ok thank you, i ll try that out. Thank you very much for your help! | 14:46 |
| ppf | peter2222: not familar with pscp, can you put '/home/guest-*' as target? | 14:46 |
| peter2222 | ppf ... that might be working.... | 14:46 |
| peter2222 | :-) i ll try that out too | 14:46 |
| ppf | leftyfb: why does it matter? if they want telnetd, let them have telnetd ;) | 14:46 |
| Miguel78 | hi | 14:46 |
| LordDragon | leftyfb: just trust me when i say telnet is the only solution for me | 14:47 |
| leftyfb | that probably won't work if you have multiple guest users | 14:47 |
| leftyfb | ppf: you do you | 14:47 |
| leftyfb | LordDragon: could you explain the situation? | 14:47 |
| ppf | leftyfb: :) | 14:48 |
| LordDragon | leftyfb: i want to use a terminal program on my tandy color computer 3 to connect to a linux box that has irssi and get on irc with it | 14:48 |
| LordDragon | there is software called "drivewire" | 14:48 |
| LordDragon | which permits you to make a telnet connection | 14:48 |
| LordDragon | to an ip | 14:49 |
| leftyfb | seems like a lot of resources for a tty | 14:49 |
| peter2222 | ppf worked!! thank you! | 15:10 |
| jpe_ | Does anyone know how to stop /dev/tty1 from being displayed on /dev/fb0? | 15:12 |
| leftyfb | jpe_: why? | 15:16 |
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| ubuntu-mate | k | 15:34 |
| soxa | Hey, I'm using Ubuntu17.10 on a XPS13 notebook, and everytime I use it for a while and want to shut it down, everything freezes for about 15seconds and the the shutdown prompt pops up. If i close the prompt it works flawlessly from there on. | 15:35 |
| soxa | Is this a nown issue? | 15:35 |
| soxa | Is there a way to resolve it? | 15:35 |
| jpe_ | leftyfb, i want to be able to draw stuff on it from an application | 15:37 |
| jpe_ | leftyfb, but it keeps printing characters from my keyboard which i dont want | 15:38 |
| luxio | been trying to get Minecraft working on Ubuntu and keep getting this error: https://pastebin.com/j9W8XVuG | 15:45 |
| luxio | i've tried all solutions offered on google, none of them worked. anyone have an idea what could be wrong here? | 15:45 |
| leftyfb | luxio: sudo snap install minecraft | 15:46 |
| luxio | hey that works | 15:49 |
| luxio | thanks | 15:49 |
| luxio | out of curiosity, what is `snap`? | 15:50 |
| luxio | wait this isn't minecraft | 15:51 |
| leftyfb | luxio: yes it is | 15:53 |
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| LordDragon | this is weird | 15:57 |
| LordDragon | im trying to apt-get install irssi | 15:58 |
| LordDragon | and i get this | 15:58 |
| LordDragon | Err:1 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security/main amd64 irssi amd64 0.8.19-1ubuntu1.5 | 15:58 |
| LordDragon | 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1562::16 80] | 15:58 |
| LordDragon | is the repo down? | 15:58 |
| leftyfb | LordDragon: sudo apt-get update | 15:58 |
| LordDragon | yep | 15:59 |
| LordDragon | that fixed it | 15:59 |
| LordDragon | thank you | 15:59 |
| jess_ | ? | 16:05 |
| jess_ | nice to meet you | 16:05 |
| luxio | leftyfb: it's like a knockoff minecraft | 16:05 |
| leftyfb | luxio: negative | 16:06 |
| leftyfb | luxio: it is minecraft | 16:07 |
| leftyfb | luxio: Have you purchased the the game from Mojang with the account you're logged in as? | 16:07 |
| luxio | https://i.imgur.com/RbHtcoc.jpg | 16:07 |
| luxio | I am logged into a Mojang account that has purchased Minecraft | 16:08 |
| luxio | but that is not Minecraft | 16:08 |
| luxio | the textures are off | 16:08 |
| leftyfb | luxio: you probably need the resource packs | 16:13 |
| leftyfb | luxio: that said, that is the official snap release of minecraft. | 16:13 |
| ioria | luxio, leftyfb maybe the snap pkg name is minecraft-nsg not minecraft https://www.lifewire.com/install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-with-snap-packages-4107840 | 16:18 |
| lol768 | How can I tell the UID a process is running as? | 16:19 |
| lol768 | a very short-lived process (so ps -ef is out..) | 16:19 |
| === rbt- is now known as urinoterapeft | ||
| multifractal | When i set up this laptop I made the Win10 partition too big and the Ubuntu too small. Can I resize them without formatting or losing everything? Gparted? | 16:27 |
| leftyfb | multifractal: theoretically, yes. But no guarantees and make sure you have backups | 16:31 |
| leftyfb | lol768: make the process write out $$ to a file | 16:34 |
| docmur | This might be the wrong channel but has anyone mounted a fully encrypted Windows Drive, with VeraCrypt in Ubuntu? | 16:45 |
| TJ- | docmur: yes | 16:46 |
| docmur | TJ, how did you do it? I selected the device /dev/sdd, went into options and selected Mount partition using system encryption, but then I get No such file or director /sys/block/sdd/sdd/start VeraCrypt::File::Open:232 | 16:49 |
| TJ- | docmur: I was using command-line tools | 16:51 |
| docmur | Fair enough, I should try that | 16:51 |
| === qzero is now known as grv | ||
| Nokaji | Hi, Im connecting 16.04 PC to android phone,using KDE CONNECT for the second time - weeks ago it worked fine, it is paired (so success?) however sFTP gives me error 102 (apparently 'connection refused by server') any ideas, folk? | 16:55 |
| Nokaji | I can ping from my PC to phone but not vice versa (using 'sen ping' button) | 16:57 |
| Nokaji | send* ping | 16:57 |
| ikonia | look in the ftp server log | 17:04 |
| ikonia | do you see a connection attempt | 17:04 |
| ikonia | ping is not a valid test | 17:05 |
| Nokaji | ikonia: I may have missed something here - it says zero licences - maybe I had a tiral and it expired? | 17:06 |
| Nokaji | website says 1 licence required | 17:06 |
| Nokaji | trial* | 17:06 |
| ikonia | what website, what says zero licenses ? | 17:07 |
| ikonia | you're tryingt to connect to an ftp server from your phone ? | 17:07 |
| Nokaji | sFTP itslef says unlicnesed user | 17:07 |
| ikonia | on the client on your phone ? | 17:07 |
| Nokaji | on the PC | 17:07 |
| ikonia | so is your phone the server and your PC the client ? | 17:08 |
| Nokaji | I'm connected via KDE CONNECT ...proof of that is | 17:08 |
| Nokaji | I just got an emailon the PC and the phone beeped inharmony | 17:08 |
| Nokaji | yup | 17:08 |
| Nokaji | sFTP inslatted on PC | 17:08 |
| Nokaji | installed* - damn | 17:08 |
| ikonia | so you're trying to connect from a client on your desktop to an ftp server running on your phone | 17:08 |
| ikonia | (just to clarify) | 17:09 |
| Nokaji | as I understand it, yup - I want to download files form my phone to my PC | 17:09 |
| ikonia | what is the ftp server running on your phone ? | 17:09 |
| Nokaji | sFTP installed only on my PC, KDE CONNECT installed on both PC & phne | 17:09 |
| ikonia | Nokaji: sftp is the client | 17:10 |
| ikonia | Nokaji: there must be a server for the client to connect to | 17:10 |
| ikonia | so what ftp server is running on th ephone | 17:10 |
| ikonia | the phone | 17:10 |
| Nokaji | KDE CONNECT? | 17:10 |
| Nokaji | I had this running once beofre, it was very easy to install but now obv'I have a problem - I think sFTP trial may have expired | 17:11 |
| Nokaji | KDE CONNECT pairs the PC with the phone and shows connected | 17:12 |
| ikonia | no, | 17:12 |
| ikonia | you're using a client on your PC, that means there must be something running on the phone for your PC to connect to | 17:13 |
| Nokaji | hmh, ... | 17:13 |
| Nokaji | I don't recalll how I had it running before but it was easy to set up | 17:13 |
| Nokaji | KDE CONNECT: The connection is made without any servers—your phone and PC connect directly to each other using TLS encryption over the local network. | 17:15 |
| ikonia | yes, thats a connect | 17:16 |
| ikonia | not a transfer | 17:16 |
| ikonia | you're tyring to open an FTP client | 17:16 |
| ikonia | that means there must be an FTP server running | 17:16 |
| Nokaji | Ah, ... okay | 17:16 |
| Nokaji | I'll see if I had/have one installed ... | 17:16 |
| === justin__ is now known as justin4thirty | ||
| Nokaji | activating WiFi File Transfer ... and seeing if I can now get it to work ... I was wondering what IP I needed to use ... so answers that one ... | 17:18 |
| ikonia | you'd need to use the phone IP to connect from your desktop the phone | 17:19 |
| ikonia | the client connects to the server | 17:19 |
| Nokaji | ikonia: that solves it - thanks, I feel such a fool - lol | 17:20 |
| Nokaji | connecting via nautilus files | 17:20 |
| ikonia | no problem | 17:21 |
| ikonia | nothing to be foolish about | 17:21 |
| s10gopal_ | !ping | 17:37 |
| ubottu | pong! | 17:37 |
| dockeed | Hi can I use ubuntu with docker? | 17:42 |
| kostkon | !docker | 17:42 |
| dockeed | kostkon: I m not able to join' | 17:42 |
| dockeed | #docker | 17:42 |
| kostkon | dockeed, i was just trying to invoke a bot factoid | 17:43 |
| dockeed | I dont know anything about docker I want to use ubuntu in windows and want to know if I can do it with docker | 17:43 |
| tgm4883 | dockeed: no you cannot | 17:52 |
| dockeed | :( | 17:53 |
| tgm4883 | dockeed: you can use either the windows subsystem for Linux on windows 10 | 17:53 |
| tgm4883 | dockeed: or if you use Docker, it just installs a VM | 17:53 |
| dockeed | tgm4883: if I use vagrant I will have a Vl where I can use it same way ? | 17:54 |
| dockeed | I need a vm to be used inside using to docker | 17:55 |
| tgm4883 | dockeed: IDK, I'm unfamiliar with vagrant | 17:55 |
| dockeed | tgm4883: I want to use ubuntu with docker, In that ubuntu I should be able to install many programs like vim editior, python,go etc is it possible | 17:56 |
| tgm4883 | dockeed: yes you can do that. Most command line programs should work | 17:56 |
| dockeed | I need command line only and even if GUi cant I achive using port opening? | 17:57 |
| dockeed | web ui* | 17:57 |
| tgm4883 | well that's a web ui, not a GUI | 17:57 |
| soxa | Hey, I'm using Ubuntu17.10 on a XPS13 notebook, and everytime I use it for a while and want to shut it down, everything freezes for about 15seconds and the the shutdown prompt pops up. If i close the prompt it works flawlessly from there on. Is this a nown issue? Is there a way to resolve it? | 17:58 |
| jeremy31 | soxa Have you checked the system logs? | 18:00 |
| soxa | I don't know how | 18:00 |
| dockeed | tgm4883: Yes | 18:01 |
| jeremy31 | soxa use the file manager to go to /var/logs and look at kern.log and search for the time you tried to shut down | 18:01 |
| dockeed | tgm4883: so it will install ubuntu vm? | 18:01 |
| tgm4883 | dockeed: IDK if the windows docker install installs a ubuntu VM. I just know it installs a Linux VM so you can run docker containers | 18:02 |
| soxa | It's empty | 18:02 |
| dockeed | tgm4883: in that Linux Vm I want to install few cmd and web ui softwares | 18:03 |
| jeremy31 | soxa what about /var/log/kern.log.1 | 18:03 |
| tgm4883 | dockeed: ok, that should be fine | 18:03 |
| jeremy31 | soxa or syslog | 18:04 |
| dockeed | tgm4883: Okay thank you | 18:04 |
| rs_ | mozilla-firefox | 18:04 |
| ioria | dockeed, https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-windows-ubuntu-hyperv-containers#0 | 18:06 |
| === IGot2P is now known as rmunson | ||
| rmunson | Isn't 14.04's EOL coming up soon? | 18:13 |
| jeremy31 | about a year rmunson | 18:13 |
| rmunson | Oh yeah, I forget the server gets longer support. | 18:14 |
| tgm4883 | rmunson: server and desktop get the same length of supprt | 18:15 |
| TJ- | rmunson: more info @ https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life | 18:15 |
| soxa | jeremy31 https://ghostbin.com/paste/qxeqx | 18:16 |
| soxa | jeremy31 those are the logs that happened between clicking the button and the popup showing up | 18:16 |
| rmunson | Sorry guys, been a long time since I've used Ubuntu, </end offtopic banter> | 18:18 |
| TJ- | soxa: that shows the system took about 19 seconds to send some crash reports (using whoopsie) | 18:19 |
| soxa | and that's causing the lag? Can I disable that somehow? | 18:20 |
| jeremy31 | soxa do you have a USB webcam? | 18:21 |
| soxa | No | 18:21 |
| TJ- | soxa: well, it suggests some executable (not installed from Ubuntu archive) at /usr/share/code/code is crashing | 18:21 |
| TJ- | soxa: what does "dpkg -S /usr/share/code/code" report, if anything? | 18:22 |
| soxa | code... this could be visual studio code, but I had this issue before I installed code | 18:22 |
| TJ- | soxa: the delay is caused by the bug-reporter running at shutdown, so other processes could have crashed as well, but the one you've just shown is the /usr/share/code/code | 18:22 |
| TJ- | soxa: see this answer for how to disable it via the GUI https://askubuntu.com/questions/135540/what-is-the-whoopsie-process-and-how-can-i-remove-it#135552 | 18:24 |
| soxa | TJ- disabled it and it still happens. | 18:27 |
| TJ- | soxa: the delay? | 18:27 |
| soxa | yes | 18:28 |
| TJ- | soxa: can you capture another log the same way so we can analyse what's happening. | 18:28 |
| soxa | yep, give me some time | 18:28 |
| TJ- | soxa: It could be the Whoopsie reporting didn't take 19 seconds but the next message at 20:13:27 " 20:13:27 XPS-13-9360 gsd-power[26481]: Failed to acquire idle monitor proxy: Timeout was reached" is telling us that gsd-power sat around waiting until it hit a timeout | 18:29 |
| TJ- | soxa: looks like Bug #1725163 | 18:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1725163 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell freezes for 25s when logout/shutdown" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1725163 | 18:31 |
| soxa | Logged in at 20:29:00 clicked shutdown at 20:31:43 prompt came at 20:32:09 uploading the log, moment... | 18:32 |
| TJ- | soxa: this bug is why jeremy31 asked you if there is a webcam | 18:33 |
| TJ- | soxa: does the XPS not have a built-in camera? | 18:33 |
| beefjoe | Can someone recommend a nice Github GUI app for Ubuntu ? | 18:35 |
| soxa | https://ghostbin.com/paste/a3jxc | 18:35 |
| TJ- | soxa: you could try unloading the camera driver module before starting the shutdown process, see if it still pauses. "sudo modprobe -r uvcvideo" should do it | 18:35 |
| soxa | Yes it has | 18:35 |
| soxa | okay I will try that moment | 18:35 |
| jeremy31 | beefjoe Have you tried gitcola? | 18:41 |
| soxa1 | TJ- delay still happens | 18:41 |
| beefjoe | I'll check it out | 18:41 |
| beefjoe | trying to make Github Desktop work on Ubuntu now | 18:41 |
| jeremy31 | soxa1 does it have a SSD? | 18:44 |
| soxa1 | yes | 18:44 |
| soxa1 | m.2 | 18:44 |
| beefjoe | aaaaaand it works!! | 18:44 |
| beefjoe | :D | 18:44 |
| jeremy31 | soxa1 another bug report showed that some people made it shutdown quicker removing splash from the grub command line and some added acpi=force | 18:45 |
| soxa1 | shutdown itself is quick, but it takes half a minute before the prompt appears | 18:46 |
| jeremy31 | soxa1 I would recommend a reboot and then press e when you see the grub menu, scroll to the line with quiet splash and make your changes | 18:46 |
| jeremy31 | NDx33xsy please fix your connection | 18:53 |
| === fabricius1 is now known as fabricius | ||
| BillyCrook | I'm playing with preseeds in xenial, and I have a weird video problem on boot. (The install completes successfully, and when it reboots, its totally fine over the netowrk. Just a video problem.) In libvirt VMs, it manifests as a black screen with the output of a successfull fsck on screen. On physical hardware, a white screen with a hundred vertical black lines. Either way, sending a ctrl-alt-f1 gets be a login prompt. | 18:53 |
| BillyCrook | installing manualy from mini.iso does the same thing on libvirt afaict | 18:54 |
| BillyCrook | I want to install a text only system, and on boot, show the login prompt at tty1 | 18:55 |
| === black_cloud is now known as alpe9084 | ||
| ioria | BillyCrook, already successfully installed from mini.iso ? or any errors ? | 19:01 |
| yonatan | Hey! This isn't an ubuntu-specific question, but maybe someone here can help me out. I just installed ubuntu on a second drive, but my BIOS won't let me change the drive boot order in UEFI mode (which I need to use). Is there something small I can put on a USB drive that simply opens up a GRUB menu? My hope is to then put the USB drive as the top boot priority. | 19:03 |
| SimonNL | yonatan: in my opinion sudo update-grub should put that in your grub menu. but wait a moment for someone else to reply for second opinion | 19:05 |
| linelevel_ | Hello, I can't install curl on Ubuntu 16.04: "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." Here is the full output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HHkVQskdgG/ | 19:06 |
| yonatan | Have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install" ? | 19:07 |
| BillyCrook | ioria: mini.iso doesn't work as I would expect honestly. maybe my expectations are wrong though | 19:08 |
| BillyCrook | ioria: I expect after install, that the machine boots up, without manual intervention and displays a login screen that asks for username, then password | 19:08 |
| insanity99 | Hey guys | 19:09 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, nope, mini.iso is cli only (unless you install a de) | 19:09 |
| BillyCrook | What's happening instead, is I get no login prompt. I see that a disk check was successfull. Enter does nothing. | 19:09 |
| BillyCrook | ioria: I understand hat, and only want a cli | 19:09 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, no login screen | 19:09 |
| linelevel_ | yonatan: Yes, I did. Same output. | 19:09 |
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| BillyCrook | Becuse I've used gnu linux for a couple decades, I knew that I could try switching ttys and maybe there's a getty on one of them. I was correct | 19:10 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, sometimes the problem is that mini.iso is set with 'quiet splash' in /etc/default/grub instead of 'text' | 19:10 |
| BillyCrook | but I want the getty to display on boot. Is that now how ubuntu is supposed to work. (I have not used ubuntu much, mostly EL based stuff) | 19:10 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, grep splash /etc/default/grub | 19:11 |
| BillyCrook | ioria: that sounds very likely the issue. Is there a preseet variable to change that or would i be better off to edit it in a postinstall command? | 19:11 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, change 'quiet splash' with 'text' and run sudo update-grub (other than that is a video driver issue) | 19:12 |
| BillyCrook | ioria: neither 'text' nor 'splash' appear in my /etc/default/grub | 19:12 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, not possible | 19:13 |
| BillyCrook | heh, I've broken what's possible many times in my life.... GRUG_COMMANDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT is just 'quiet' in this sytem | 19:13 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, not possible | 19:14 |
| jeremy31 | BillyCrook that is the line | 19:14 |
| SimonNL | yonatan: I was assuming there is linux on first HD but that might not be the case of course | 19:14 |
| BillyCrook | the only grub related options I set in the preseed are 'd-i grub-installer/only_ubuntu boolean true' and 'd-i grub-installer/bootdev string default' | 19:15 |
| BillyCrook | ioria: jeremy31: perhaps 'quiet' became a shortcut or 'quiet splash' in xenial? | 19:16 |
| jeremy31 | BillyCrook Normally it is quiet splash in Xenial | 19:16 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, idk, remove that and replace with 'text' | 19:17 |
| BillyCrook | That did the trick! So now I just need to figure out the 'most correct' way to accomplish that in the preseed | 19:18 |
| yonatan | SimonNL, there isn't :( | 19:18 |
| BillyCrook | I need to be able to install ubuntu repeatedly and not by hand | 19:18 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: it sounds like there might be a VT switch on the kernel command-line. check "cat /proc/cmdline" for 'vt.handoff=7' | 19:20 |
| ioria | BillyCrook, preseed is not my cup of tea, maybe someone else could help | 19:20 |
| BillyCrook | TJ-: nope, just BOOT_IMAGE, root, ro, and text | 19:21 |
| BillyCrook | ioria: it doesn't smell like tea to me either, fwiw | 19:21 |
| ioria | :þ | 19:21 |
| * rmunson smells sewer waste. | 19:21 | |
| BillyCrook | is 18.04 right around the corner? | 19:22 |
| jeremy31 | vt handoff is in another grub file | 19:22 |
| rmunson | BillyCrook, yep. | 19:22 |
| BillyCrook | I just know a soon as I figure this out for 16.04, 18.04 is dropping | 19:22 |
| jeremy31 | BillyCrook April 26, IIRC | 19:22 |
| BillyCrook | woot! | 19:22 |
| * rmunson is using it, it's nice, but alas it's a +1 discussion ;-) | 19:22 | |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: OK... let me give you an overview of the usual *desktop* vs *server* install - ubuntu-server does precisely what you want. ubuntu-desktop uses plymouth-splash to replace the console output with a graphical progress indicator. The mini.iso is in between, so it may be it's installed plymouth-splash but as that doesn't lead to a GUI starting you don't see the consoles. | 19:23 |
| ioria | TJ-, not sure, but what he needs is instruct the pressed automated install of mini.iso with 'text' and not 'quiet splash' in /etc/default/grub (in my humble opinion is a mini.iso fault) | 19:25 |
| TJ- | ioria: agreed | 19:26 |
| ioria | horrah | 19:26 |
| TJ- | ioria: I was just looking for what the mini.iso defaults are | 19:26 |
| ioria | great | 19:26 |
| fuseteam | hey guys i think my printer problem is similar to this guy's https://askubuntu.com/questions/898077/connecting-printer-to-usb-port-on-router?noredirect=1&lq=1 | 19:27 |
| fuseteam | only i seem to get an additional "shutdown" message these days | 19:27 |
| Budgii | how to change power settings when the lid closes, what to do? | 19:27 |
| Budgii | NVM | 19:28 |
| agio | hi, can anyone tell me what the ubiquity installer program does? I know it copies files from the install disk to the computers harddisk, but does it detect hardware and perform hardware specific setup? | 19:31 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: when you started the install from the mini.iso did it want to install a desktop session? | 19:31 |
| === idwer_ is now known as idwer | ||
| TJ- | agio: not as such, no. The Linux kernel detects hardware and loads required drivers itself | 19:31 |
| SimonNL | yonatan: did you install bootloader on second drive ? | 19:32 |
| ioria | TJ-, by default if offers you the choice , but you can decline | 19:32 |
| insanity99 | Anyone know the best python text editor for Ubuntu? | 19:32 |
| ioria | *it | 19:32 |
| yonatan | SimonNL, yes. For various reasons, I can't install it on the first. | 19:32 |
| yonatan | SimonNL, I'm hoping to just bypass it all by installing on a USB drive. Obviously, I can have an entire ubuntu install on there, but I was hoping for something a bit lighter weight. | 19:33 |
| SimonNL | yonatan: can you change HD connection so first becomes second and second becomes first ? | 19:33 |
| TJ- | ioria: right; I'm trying the 16.04-hwe mini in a VM | 19:33 |
| agio | TJ-: the kernel detects and loads required drivers on the fly? so then theorectically I could take the harddisk (containing an existing ubuntu install) install that harddisk into a different machine and ubuntu should then be able to work? | 19:34 |
| yonatan | SimonNL, No. The bios won't let me boot from anything internal other than the M.2 drive, whereas linux is on a 2.5" drive. | 19:34 |
| TJ- | agio: precisely - it's not like Windows - it doesn't tie itself to the install hardware | 19:35 |
| jeremy31 | agio with some limitations, UEFI install will only work on UEFI systems and some graphics cards might cause issues | 19:35 |
| agio | TJ-: wow thats huge. so does the hardware detection/kernel driver loading occur at boot? | 19:36 |
| TJ- | agio: the only time it'll not have drivers is a) the kernel is older than the hardware or 2) some hardware requires drivers that aren't in the mainline kernel (like Nvidia GPU drivers, Broadcom network adapters, some RealTek network devices) | 19:36 |
| SimonNL | yonatan: no key during boot to change bootorder ? | 19:36 |
| TJ- | agio: Yes | 19:36 |
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| TJ- | agio: the kernel discovers each device's unique signature and send a message to the userspace device manager (udev) which loads the driver than claims the unique signature | 19:37 |
| yonatan | SimonNL, there's a key to select what to boot from, but in UEFI mode there's no internal drive option other than the M.2. In legacy, there is (that's how I'm running it now), but I need to be in UEFI to boot the other OS. | 19:38 |
| agio | TJ-: is each device driver, for example my wifi driver: rt2800pci a kernel module? and udev would load that with something like `insmod rt2800pci' ? or are kernel modules and device drivers a differnt thing? | 19:42 |
| TJ- | agio: Yes, each 'driver' is a kernel module. udev will use 'modprobe' since it handles dependencies whereas insmod doesn't | 19:43 |
| insanity99 | Anyone know the best python text editor for Ubuntu? | 19:43 |
| insanity99 | Sorry I didn't meant to repeat then | 19:43 |
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| SimonNL | yonatan: don't run the command I gave you I have to little knowledge to know if thats safe. | 19:43 |
| SimonNL | yonatan: you'll need to find someone in here that has more knowledge. | 19:45 |
| agio | TJ-: If the kernel detects and udev loads drivers on boot - I take it a similar "detect and load at boot" process must happen with firmware also? | 19:46 |
| yonatan | SimonNL, thanks a bunch anyway! | 19:46 |
| TJ- | agio: correct, driveres tell kernel's internal firmware loader and it loads them directly. Firmware files are under /lib/firmware/ | 19:47 |
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| SimonNL | You're welcome yonatan | 19:47 |
| TJ- | agio: kernel uses device's unique vendor:product IDs for PCI and USB.. other buses/devices may be recognised via ACPI | 19:50 |
| agio | I know ubiquity does a lot of tasks - such as partitioning harddisk - but if driver detection is done upon every reboot - is the installers primary task simply to copy over the system files and pre-installed user programs onto the hard disk? | 19:51 |
| agio | basically a huge `rsync' kind of operation? | 19:52 |
| TJ- | agio: actually, ubiquity is a GUI layer on top of debian-installer, which does the heavy lifting. That in turn relies on partman for the disk partitioning and so forth | 19:53 |
| TJ- | agio: so the installer copies the initial bootable image over, then chroot's into and installs additional packages plus writes the initial config | 19:54 |
| EriC^^ | also it removes unneeded packages | 19:55 |
| TJ- | agio: the ISOs contains a root file-system in a squashfs file. That get's loopdev mounted for running the desktop ISO and is also copied over into the installed system. For -server installs that uses debian-installer alone and installs packages directly using debootstrap (a Debian tool for bottstrapping a basic usuable root file system) | 19:55 |
| azizLIGHT | why doesnt always-on-top work on top of browser which is in full screen mode (F11) on 16.04 | 19:56 |
| Ben64 | because the browser gets set to always on top also | 19:56 |
| azizLIGHT | how can i browse full screen and still have another window always-on-top then | 19:58 |
| agio | TJ-: when you say "root file system" - is that essentially the whole file system? everything from `/' downwards? | 19:58 |
| TJ- | agio: yes | 19:58 |
| TJ- | agio: everything the OS needs to run | 19:59 |
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| Delta706 | If a bug is in the upstream product, is it worth opening a bug in launchpad? | 20:07 |
| agio | so on the normal "full installer" ISO - are all the files in the squashfs file root file system come from packages from the release pocket? - many of which would get upgraded after the install is done? | 20:08 |
| PLC | hi' there :) | 20:09 |
| === DarkAceZ_ is now known as DarkAceZ | ||
| TJ- | agio: yes, correct. | 20:16 |
| TJ- | agio: plus the ISO contains a very small number of other optional packages in debian archive format (just like archive.ubuntu.com) with directories /pool/ and /dists/ and you'll see a cdrom: entry in the installed system's /etc/apt/sources.list referring to that | 20:17 |
| agio | TJ-: cool. thanks for great explanations. yes I've seen those packages - I think I did special command "add a cdrom apt repository" those cd rom packages are basically from "restricted" component right? like "intel-microcode" etc only a dozen or so packages | 20:22 |
| === sebastian is now known as Guest16983 | ||
| Guest16983 | Hello, do you know of places where to report ideas. I mean the "boot time improvement" that is planned for 18.04 | 20:25 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: ioria: I've reproduced the blank screen issue from the mini.iso. Will investigate and figure out what package to report the bug against | 20:26 |
| brainwash | Guest16983: where can I read about this "boot time improvement"? | 20:26 |
| Guest16983 | I'm running 18.04, and there are no boot time improvements whatsoever yet it is as simple to enable suspend to disk and it went form 60 to 20 seconds for me | 20:26 |
| Guest16983 | brainwash: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-newsletter-19th-jan-2018/3524 | 20:27 |
| Guest16983 | Not only suspend to disk, but actually terminate all processes except for DE (and some crucial ones) and compress that, so instead of 20 seconds it would go to 8 seconds, but that requires some scripting or so, and just hibernating is very easy | 20:28 |
| jeremy31 | Boot time improvement? My Ubuntu 16.04 loads in about 30 seconds | 20:28 |
| Guest16983 | I understand hibernation doesn't work on every device, but c'mon.. it's their problem, they would have it as they do currently, and hardware that can hibernate would benefit astonishingly well | 20:29 |
| TJ- | Guest16983: the biggest boot-time GUI delay is waiting for a (usually WiFi) network to be available | 20:29 |
| Guest16983 | TJ-: it is not for me, I always disable that and a bluetooth, printing etc. via systemd | 20:29 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Guest16983: hi | 20:30 |
| TJ- | Guest16983: I don't boot that often unless I'm debugging/testing... I waste more time on IRC than on waiting for boot | 20:30 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Guest16983: you need to file a bug report as feature request and mention all the related stuff there | 20:31 |
| Guest16983 | BTW Windows 10 has that feature over previous versions (maybe 8.1 had it too) | 20:31 |
| phoenix_firebrd | Guest16983: If a lot of people like your idea, It will get implemented soon. | 20:31 |
| TJ- | I use S3 sleep; resumes in about 1 second | 20:32 |
| brainwash | isn't suspend to disk still disabled in ubuntu? | 20:32 |
| brainwash | first step you be to make it available by default I'd think | 20:32 |
| TJ- | brainwash: hibernation is available but usually not by default | 20:32 |
| Guest16983 | I had to add "resume=insert-your-swap-partition-or-swapfile" to /etc/default/grub | 20:33 |
| brainwash | I wouldn't bother with this request | 20:34 |
| Guest16983 | Yes, they sure will ignore that | 20:34 |
| Guest16983 | I think GNOME could add that, but no, they don't even have hibernation anywhere, only suspend | 20:34 |
| Guest16983 | That bugs me a lot | 20:35 |
| brainwash | right | 20:35 |
| brainwash | it works for you, so that's nice | 20:35 |
| Guest16983 | ^^ | 20:36 |
| TJ- | Guest16983: generally it just needs the swap device UUID adding in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume as RESUME=<UUID> | 20:36 |
| fraser__ | lol | 20:36 |
| Guest16983 | Oh, and if someone would possibly try it out, I forgot to mention, one then needs to turn off pc by "systemctl hibernate" (or 20 different commands that I won't look for) or add an extension for gnome or do this for unity: https://askubuntu.com/questions/614662/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-15-04#617254 (Haven't tested this) | 20:43 |
| BillyCrook | TJ-: ioria: The defaults are not 'quiet splash'. It's just quiet. I'm certain that on my install, it just gave me 'quiet' and not 'quiet splash' TJ-: When i installed from the mini, I don't recall if it askd to install a desktop session. I just next next nexted through everything without making any active choices.. I will go back and look though. | 20:51 |
| BillyCrook | TJ-: sorry I drifted off. We're getting a freak snowstorm, and I was just in awe of nature. It's possible this bug doesn't happen on 'normal' hardware. All I have to test with are libvirt VMs and utterly odball physical hardware | 20:54 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: yes, that's what I did without choosing any desktop related options, and when it rebooted there was "vt.handoff=7' on the kernel command line, which should only be done when a GUI is expected to be started on tty7 | 20:54 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: it's definitely a bug, not something you did. | 20:54 |
| BillyCrook | not sure if I should feel relieved or terrified | 20:55 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: I suspect it's an oversight. The value is added to the kernel command-line by the scripts that configure GRUB boot loader | 20:56 |
| jeremy31 | It might be the result of /etc/grub.d/ files. I think that is where the vt handoff originates | 20:56 |
| BillyCrook | on another note, I'm trying to maintain a mirror of the ubuntu repos, and I noticed that the mini.iso's are the only isos I have. Are the 'regular' desktop and server ISOs not kept in the regular mirror tree? | 20:56 |
| agio | does anyone know how to export all of the open tabs/webpages in firefox? is the there some config file or something that can be copied? | 20:56 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: they're on cdimage.ubuntu.com and/or releases.ubuntu.com | 20:57 |
| tomreyn | agio: it's probably in one of the sqlite databases | 20:57 |
| TJ- | agio: export the content, or the URLs, or the tab-arrangement? There are add-ons for that | 20:58 |
| tomreyn | agio: i guess you could ask in the firefox channel on irc.mozilla.org | 20:58 |
| BillyCrook | (intentionally seperate from archive.ubuntu.com ? ) | 20:58 |
| tomreyn | BillyCrook: i would think so. those images are usually of large size, meaning long file transfers, which is a different wordload than the package mirrors (smaller files, shorter download durations). | 21:00 |
| tomreyn | *worKload | 21:00 |
| BillyCrook | TJ-: I've been rsyncing rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and excluding dists I don't want, and debs with arches that I don't need. I did similar with centos and their big packaged ISOs came through, but they do things differently | 21:00 |
| BillyCrook | tomreyn: ah makes sense | 21:00 |
| agio | tomreyn: TJ: thanks, so `irc.mozilla.org' that not on a channel on freenode? do I have to add the irc.mozilla.org IRC "server"? | 21:01 |
| tomreyn | BillyCrook: note there is also #ubuntu-mirrors | 21:01 |
| BillyCrook | tomreyn: good to know. Especially if I run into snags with bionic, but I'm hoping it will be smooth sailing | 21:02 |
| tomreyn | agio: they run their separate irc network, yes | 21:02 |
| TJ- | agio: just use Firefox's addons page to search for "save tabs" and it'll list several addons that might be suitable | 21:02 |
| tomreyn | agio: i guess TJ has a point there. | 21:02 |
| agio | tomreyn: TJ: thanks yes I'll look into the add-ons. One problem with the addon's is that the ones that I've used in the past - and that work - don't work with the lastest firefox (version 59 - quantum) in the 16.04 repositories. | 21:05 |
| tomreyn | agio: such as (this is not a recommendation, find one for yourself) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/export-tabs-urls-and-titles/ | 21:05 |
| tomreyn | this seems like an unrelated (but not non-existing) issue to me. | 21:07 |
| agio | so I have to choose between either running the release pocket firefox v54 - which works but is missing security updates - or the security updated v59 - but essentially currently has unknown addon status | 21:07 |
| tomreyn | running any software without security updates on the internet is not a choice, it's lack of intelligence. | 21:08 |
| agio | well there is a compelling argument to not run the security updates | 21:09 |
| tomreyn | loosing features is annoying, loosing control over your computer and loosing data and taking part in attacks on other people's computers is a lot worse. | 21:09 |
| agio | essentially without the updates - I know I will be productive with a working system - and free from the problems the security updates bring | 21:09 |
| tomreyn | abd full of problems the lack of security updates brought to you | 21:10 |
| tomreyn | *and | 21:10 |
| TJ- | BillyCrook: we have an existing Bug #1697968 | 21:11 |
| ubottu | bug 1697968 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "$vt_handoff causes black screen even when nomodeset is used" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1697968 | 21:11 |
| tomreyn | agio: no doubt, the breaking change in firefox's addon support did not create a lot of happy faces. on the other hand, if we loose the ability to adapt to change then we we loose a lot mor ethan just our appreciated browser add-ons. | 21:13 |
| Apteryx | hello! I'm booting from a live usb, enable wifi from usb adapter, connect to wifi, but DNS is not resolving :( | 21:13 |
| tomreyn | okay, this is more for #philosophy than #ubuntu, i'll stop here | 21:13 |
| Apteryx | I've manually added my AP address to /etc/resolv.conf to try to hack it (192.168.1.1), and it works to some extent (dig www.google.ca returns 172.217.2.163), but browsers and other applications still won't resolve. | 21:14 |
| tomreyn | Apteryx: which ubuntu release is it? | 21:15 |
| agio | tomreyn: I agree with you - in that I personally do always run an updated system - especially due to spectre and meltdown - but I also respect people who don't update - I think they have a point. | 21:15 |
| Apteryx | ubuntu 17.04 (old usb thumbdrive I had lying around) | 21:16 |
| tomreyn | Apteryx: run: lsb_release -ds | 21:16 |
| Apteryx | laying* | 21:17 |
| tomreyn | agio: a point of entry :) (or several rather) | 21:17 |
| agio | tomreyn: lol, yeah, I guess | 21:17 |
| TJ- | Apteryx: don't edit /etc/resolv.conf, edit the Wifi connection's IPv4 options and add the DNS server IP address there. | 21:18 |
| Apteryx | yeah, I've tried that as well :/ | 21:19 |
| TJ- | Apteryx: did that not work once you'd reconnected to the WiFi AP? | 21:20 |
| Apteryx | it does say my primary DNS is 192.168.1.1 when I check 'Connection Information' from there. | 21:20 |
| tomreyn | !17.04 | Apteryx | 21:20 |
| ubottu | Apteryx: Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-January/000228.html | 21:20 |
| merpnderp | Just fired up a new 16.04 instance and am doing sudo systemctl restart nginx but nothing is showing up in my tail -f /var/log/nginx/* | 21:21 |
| merpnderp | Nothing changes in the logs. Anyone know what's up? | 21:21 |
| merpnderp | I think I have a config error, but the logs don't even reflect the service has tried to restart | 21:21 |
| Apteryx | tomreyn: yes, true. I'm not planning to use this farther than for salvaging a couple CDs using this old machine I don't usually use. | 21:21 |
| TJ- | Apteryx: network manager will start a private instance of dnsmasq which should be listening on 127.0.1.1 which should be in /etc/resolv.conf. Adding the correct DNS server to the N.M. connection settings causes it to tell it's dnsmasq to use that/those upstream servers | 21:21 |
| tomreyn | merpnderp: your disk ran full | 21:21 |
| merpnderp | tomreyn: 23GB available :/ | 21:22 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: check 'systemctl status nginx' | 21:22 |
| Apteryx | TJ-: OK! I will try the dpkg-reconfigure resolveconf trick to restore its original state. | 21:22 |
| merpnderp | TJ-: two processes running. | 21:22 |
| merpnderp | nginx is definitely running | 21:23 |
| merpnderp | Just restarts aren't showing in the logs. | 21:23 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: you could check 'journalctl -u nginx.service' in case there's more clues there | 21:23 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: could be that nginx doesn't have permissions to (re)create those files. Have you altered/checked the permission on /var/log/, /var/ to ensure the nginx process's user can traverse those directories and has write permission in /var/log/nginx/ ? | 21:24 |
| tomreyn | merpnderp: for another approach (especially if the two nginx processes are more than you expected to see): run "systemctl stop nginx" twice, see if there's still an nginx process, if so, kill it (kill / kill -9), then run "systemctl start nginx" | 21:25 |
| merpnderp | tomreyn: there's only one instance. stopping it worked | 21:27 |
| merpnderp | TJ-: this is a brand new install from 16.04. | 21:28 |
| tomreyn | <merpnderp> TJ-: two processes running. | 21:28 |
| tomreyn | ^ you said there were two. so there is one now that you stopped the other? | 21:28 |
| TJ- | If nginx is anything like apache it may well have multiple processes/threads running | 21:28 |
| tomreyn | yes it may, but there should be none left after you stopped the service | 21:29 |
| merpnderp | tomreyn: doh, no idea why I said that. | 21:29 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: I guess the hidden assumption here is that nginx will be writing to the log files at this point. could it be it's log-level is set so that it's not very verbose? | 21:30 |
| merpnderp | TJ-: good point | 21:30 |
| merpnderp | TJ-: just never ran into log level issues | 21:31 |
| TJ- | does it ordinary report it's own startup? is that what you'd be expecting to see? | 21:31 |
| merpnderp | TJ-: well in 17, nginx out of the box logs startups | 21:32 |
| merpnderp | this is my first 16.04 | 21:32 |
| merpnderp | Trying to find where loglevels are set | 21:32 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: why not check, when (re)staarting nginx, if it is opening those files. In a separate terminal/shell run "inotifywait -m /var/log/nginx" then (re)start nginx | 21:33 |
| merpnderp | TJ-: good idea | 21:33 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: you'd expect to see some ACCESS/OPEN events | 21:33 |
| merpnderp | inotifywait isn't installed by efault | 21:34 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: indeed; install it obviously :) | 21:34 |
| TJ- | !info inotiy-tools | 21:35 |
| ubottu | Package inotiy-tools does not exist in artful | 21:35 |
| TJ- | !info inotify-tools | 21:35 |
| ubottu | inotify-tools (source: inotify-tools): command-line programs providing a simple interface to inotify. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.14-2 (artful), package size 21 kB, installed size 65 kB (Only available for linux-any) | 21:35 |
| merpnderp | am I doing tail wrong? -f right? | 21:35 |
| merpnderp | Because nginx just opened and closed the logs files 3,4 | 21:35 |
| merpnderp | times | 21:35 |
| tomreyn | you may want to unbuffer tail | 21:37 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: if you don't tail does ls -l show the files have length/growing | 21:38 |
| merpnderp | okay nginx opened and closed the logs 3 times, but apparenlty didn't write anything. | 21:38 |
| merpnderp | TJ-: I'll double check. But opening them shows nothing new. | 21:38 |
| TJ- | merpnderp: Well we know nginx can get to them at least. If it's not writing something to stdout/stderr (that is captured by journalctl) then it would look to be log-level related | 21:39 |
| merpnderp | well 'curl localhost' adds to the logs | 21:40 |
| merpnderp | So, it is loglevel. Thanks for the help :) | 21:40 |
| oneirosFade | Hey all. Quick question - if I'm installing Ubuntu in place of another distro, in a dual boot UEFI via rEFInd... The 'bootloader' it asks about in the install -- should that be the root partition or the EFI boot partition? | 21:40 |
| TJ- | oneirosFade: it should be the raw disk e.g. /dev/sda --- grub-install in EFI mode will automatically find and use the EFI system partition | 21:42 |
| oneirosFade | Hmm... ok. If I selected the root partition then, it won't boot? Or will it be 'smart' and find the EFI anyway? | 21:43 |
| oneirosFade | Esp. considering the EFI was marked as such in the installer. | 21:43 |
| TJ- | oneirosFade: I've not tried that in EFI mode; I'd hope it'd fail and report as much | 21:44 |
| oneirosFade | Interesting. Well, we'll see. | 21:44 |
| agio | merpnderp: on my 16.04 system if I run `watch sudo systemctl status nginx.service' in one terminal. then run `sudo systemctl restart nginx.service' in another systemctl status show the restart | 21:45 |
| agio | but its just showing the most recent start - not a runnig log of all starts | 21:46 |
| merpnderp | agio: thanks. The problem is I'd ran letsencrypt and thought I had a conf error, but wasn't seeing anything in the logs on restart and thought it was something else. But looks like my problem is network related. | 21:46 |
| TJ- | agio: correct. You need to use "journalctl -u nginx.service" | 21:47 |
| agio | TJ-: ah cool. `journalctl' works nicely. I thought - for reasons of saving disk space - you needed to setup journalctl before you could use it to log a service? but it seems to work for nginx... | 21:50 |
| oneirosFade | TJ-: It didn't fail, but it did overwrite rEFInd apparently. That wasn't what I wanted. | 21:52 |
| Simarillion | Trying to install script to invoke an fstrim daemon. | 21:54 |
| Simarillion | I d/l'd the software package to my /home Downloads dir. My /home is set aside on a separate pri partition. I don't like to install sftwr pckgs via Desktop. Should i have placed the software package in question in a folder on /root partition instead? | 21:54 |
| agio | merpnderp: thats why I use the --webroot option to letsencrypt - where certbot just places a secret file in webservers document root - because I dont want certbot to interfere wth the config of a running nginx | 21:54 |
| merpnderp | agio: I did sudo certbot --nginx certonly | 21:55 |
| merpnderp | Not sure what it did, but my certs are there | 21:55 |
| Simarillion | i read the READme.md that came with said sftwr pckg carefully. I ran chmod +x install.sh from within the folder the sftwr package dir/folder is located at /home Downloads | 21:57 |
| Simarillion | The sftwr pckg contains the folder fstrimDaemon-master; within this folder is etc folder and usr folder. | 21:58 |
| Simarillion | Does this channel support xUbuntu 16.04? | 22:00 |
| leftyfb | Simarillion: yes | 22:00 |
| Simarillion | Am i troubling channel with a question that is not meant for this question? | 22:01 |
| Simarillion | Advise at your convenience. | 22:01 |
| leftyfb | !ask | Simarillion | 22:01 |
| ubottu | Simarillion: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 22:01 |
| Simarillion | Thank you leftyfb and ubot | 22:02 |
| Simarillion | Should I move the software pckg to a specific folder/dir on the ubu sys partition instead, then? | 22:03 |
| leftyfb | Simarillion: Could you clarify? | 22:04 |
| agio | merpnderp: the --webroot option verifies to the letsecrypt CA that you own the domain becuase when it does a DNS look up (for the HTTP request) the DNS points to the server containing your .well-known secret file. the CA is satisfied you own the domain - and no other action needs to be taken (except you'll have to add the path to the X509 cert manually to your nginx config) but (I believe) the --nginx option | 22:04 |
| agio | - stops your nginx service - modifies the config - presumably to add the directives and paths to your ssl cert chain and priv key file) | 22:04 |
| Simarillion | Trying to install script to invoke fstrim daemon. | 22:04 |
| Simarillion | I d/l'd the sftwr pckg (folder) to my /home Downloads dir/fldr. | 22:05 |
| Simarillion | My /home is on a separate pri partition | 22:06 |
| leftyfb | Simarillion: please don't abbreviate so many words when explaining an issue | 22:07 |
| Simarillion | the install.sh would not install the fstrim daemon app even when i chmode +x /install.sh | 22:07 |
| leftyfb | Simarillion: fstrim is part of the util-linux package already installed by default in ubuntu | 22:08 |
| leftyfb | Simarillion: You'll have to contact the creator of that install.sh program for support with it | 22:08 |
| Simarillion | Thank you lefty fb. I will do. | 22:09 |
| leftyfb | Simarillion: if you want to make fstrim into a service there's already an example service for it to use in /usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.service | 22:10 |
| leftyfb | Simarillion: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-periodic-trim-for-ssd-storage-on-linux-servers#setting-up-periodic-trim-for-systemd-distributions | 22:11 |
| Simarillion | I perform manual fstrim via fstrim / -v, fstrim /home -v (daily) but i just wanted to automate and start a daemon to do it at boot up so i wouldn't miss trimming due to shutting down prior to the process being performed. | 22:12 |
| Simarillion | Thank you for reply on this. | 22:12 |
| Simarillion | I did not know the util was already available to do this within the current OS. Big plus. Grateful i am for your guidance, leftyfb. | 22:14 |
| Simarillion | Happy holiday and enjoy wknd, channel. Going now to make use of your pointer, asap - leftyfb. | 22:15 |
| djneik | stervus | 22:21 |
| leftyfb | djneik: can we help you with something? | 22:21 |
| djneik | es. ei rashe. | 22:22 |
| djneik | na russkom kto nibutj rasgovarivaet? | 22:22 |
| leftyfb | !ru | djneik | 22:23 |
| ubottu | djneik: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. | 22:23 |
| djneik | senkyou | 22:23 |
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| pythonick | hello | 22:29 |
| kostkon | pythonick, hi | 22:29 |
| pythonick | i am using ubuntu 16.04... i am running a python script that use 95/100% cpu for 2-3 hours | 22:29 |
| pythonick | i see ubuntu kills the process automatically | 22:30 |
| pythonick | why? | 22:30 |
| pythonick | hi kostkon | 22:30 |
| leftyfb | pythonick: where do you see that ubuntu kills the process automatically? | 22:33 |
| kostkon | pythonick, maybe it stops executing for some reason, throws an exception and exits. have you tried to debug it | 22:34 |
| pythonick | leftyfb, shell... i see "killed" | 22:35 |
| pythonick | yeah i found it... Out of memory...... it is really strange, i have 32 gb | 22:35 |
| kostkon | pythonick, you've got some refactoring to do | 22:36 |
| pythonick | kostkon, i cant it is the spacy libraries | 22:38 |
| pythonick | i should get a memory profile to understand when it happens | 22:38 |
| Apteryx | /close | 22:39 |
| jayjo | I installed jupyterhub on my system a while ago and now am encountering some errors... in my syslog I see a lot of ureadahead errors, is there a way to "flush" this pack so I can see what is actually being called? | 22:44 |
| jayjo | do I just delete the pack files? is that a safe operation? | 22:45 |
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| tomreyn | !info jupyterhub | 22:59 |
| ubottu | Package jupyterhub does not exist in artful | 22:59 |
| tomreyn | jayjo: this doesn't seem tobe an ubuntu package | 23:00 |
| tomreyn | (or none from the official repositories, to be precise)+ | 23:00 |
| === deathonater is now known as Smeef | ||
| === Aztec|FamilyTime is now known as Aztec03 | ||
| froppy | I'd like to insert 32bit EFI firmware into ubuntu image so I can install it on some goofy hw. I tried startup disk creator, but it creates iso 9660 fs that I don't know how to insert files into. I tried unetbootin but I've heard that that program can cause errors. Is there a better option? | 23:14 |
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| circ-user-6xjfg | #chat | 23:22 |
| superguest | bash | 23:26 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: what's the link to your famous 'foreign' package script? | 23:28 |
| leftyfb | TJ-: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/foreign_packages | 23:50 |
| TJ- | leftyfb: ahh, thanks | 23:51 |
| tomreyn | TJ-: right, my nick on giuthub basically ;) | 23:54 |
| tomreyn | not famous until you make it. ;) | 23:55 |
| TJ- | tomreyn: someone in ##linux might be able to gain some insight from it | 23:56 |
| tomreyn | thanks, watching now | 23:57 |
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