[02:25] <lopta> Mornin'
[02:26] <daftykins> \o
[02:26] <daftykins> how's the xubuntu going? this a first time install?
[02:26] <lopta> Well, this won't be the first time she's run Xubuntu.  First time in recent years though.
[02:27] <daftykins> ah, what else?
[02:28] <lopta> Qimo was her first, then Xubuntu, then Ubuntu, recently Solus and this evening she's probably going back to Xubuntu.
[02:28] <lopta> (Qimo seems to have been a repackaging of Xubuntu aimed at education).
[02:29] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:29] <daftykins> i suppose you do get a bit more of the full experience by roadtesting on bare metal versus trying them out in VMs
[02:30] <lopta> I don't even remember why we went from Qimo to Xubuntu. I think she went to Ubuntu when I replaced her PC.
[02:30] <lopta> ...then Solus when I installed an SSD.
[02:33] <lopta> We quite like Solus but one of the few games she plays won't run on that.
[02:36] <daftykins> :>
[02:36] <lopta> ...thought about putting Lubuntu on there.  Not sure what the pros and cons are between that and Xubuntu.
[02:37] <daftykins> just down to personal preference of which desktop you prefer
[02:37] <lopta> What's Lubuntu? Lxde?
[02:38] <daftykins> i had always preferred tinkering with xubuntu for xfce goodness over LXDE, yeah
[02:38] <lopta> I've used Xfce in the past.  I'm not that familiar with Lxde.
[02:39] <daftykins> i felt it sacrificed a bit too much
[02:42] <ali1234> xubuntu 18.04 currently has a bug... setup and first login are delayed by 75 seconds. after that it's okay
[02:43] <ali1234> just in case you decide to try those :)
[02:43]  * lopta checks which one he's downloaded
[02:43] <lopta> 17.10.1, apparently.
[02:43] <daftykins> non-LTS D:
[02:43] <ali1234> 18.04 is not released yet. i suggest to wait for it to be released
[02:43] <ali1234> it's like 3 weeks away
[02:44] <ali1234> otherwise you will just have to upgrade in 3 months
[02:45] <lopta> That's ok.
[02:46] <lopta> She doesn't have a lot of things so it's fairly painless to nuke and pave.
[02:47] <daftykins> hmm got a stack of DDR3 so thought i'd have a go at finding an LGA775 mobo with 4 x DDR3 slots, it's been pretty tough going though
[02:48] <lopta> I don't think LGA775 even supports DDR3
[02:48] <daftykins> sure does, i have a rare board behind me with both DDR2 and 3 slots on the same board
[02:49]  * lopta is surprised
[02:49] <daftykins> asus P5KC :)
[02:50] <lopta> I have a few Core 2 Duo chips on the shelf but I don't think I'll get to use them.
[02:51] <lopta> (aside from the E4500 that's on my general workhorse)
[02:51] <daftykins> a friend gave me a core 2 extreme X9650, so my Q6600 quad is sat on the shelf right now
[02:56] <lopta> I'd have to look that one up.
[02:58] <daftykins> 3GHz quad with oodles of cache vs. 2.4GHz quad with less
[02:58] <lopta> Cache is good. We like cache.
[03:01] <lopta> Looks as though the two other Core2 Duo chips I have are an E7400 and E8400.  The 8400 has half the cache of your X9650 and fewer cores of course but it also runs cooler.
[03:02] <lopta> They're all museum pieces anyway.
[03:04] <daftykins> yeah, my real machine is downstairs :>
[03:04] <daftykins> i've got a stack of HDDs here i want to throw together for fun, but i'm lacking a good combo of suitable hardware really
[03:05]  * lopta nods
[03:05] <lopta> My E4500 box has a mirrored pair of 1T WD Red disks and no monitor.
[03:07] <daftykins> let's see... it's an old E6750 in my file server, though i'm finding the lack of USB 3 makes it such that it's quicker to get data off it from another PC over gigabit LAN xD
[03:08] <lopta> I don't think my OS even has USB 3 support yet, though it's a while since I checked.
[03:12] <lopta> Firewire used to work though. :-)
[03:12] <daftykins> that's one dead interface now!
[03:12] <lopta> Says the person building Socket T machines ;-)
[03:13] <daftykins> ah i'm just juggling old parts i already have here for free! they're still useful as headless servers running Linux
[03:13] <lopta> It's still handy for sucking video from old miniDV cameras.
[03:13] <daftykins> ah never owned one
[03:14] <lopta> ...and I think I have some Firewire disk enclosures here too.
[03:14] <lopta> Depending on your OS you can also use Firewire as a network interface but... I don't recommend it.
[03:14] <daftykins> i'd replace the CPU+mobo+RAM in my file server but... it's running well
[03:15] <lopta> "If it aint broke, don't fix it".
[03:15] <daftykins> oh i dabbled with that when i was a kid, discovered it doesn't support IP so that died quick
[03:15] <daftykins> would've been 400Mb otherwise yeah :)
[03:15] <lopta> It supports IP but there's some latency there.
[03:15] <lopta> Plenty of bandwidth but with latency.
[03:15] <daftykins> ah well perhaps things have changed
[03:16] <lopta> daftykins: It's possible Linux doesn't support that.  I've never tried.
[03:16] <daftykins> think i was on windows 98 / XP back when i had the cable the first time
[03:17] <lopta> Ah right, I've no idea whether Windows can do it.
[03:17] <daftykins> if i'm honest i'd love some 10GbE toys, 1Gb has felt slow for the large files of HD video for quite a while
[03:18] <lopta> 25G ftw ;-)
[03:18] <lopta> It's out in the wild but I'm not sure whether it's formally ratified yet.
[03:18] <lopta> (I'm a bit behind on my networking news)
[03:18] <daftykins> i see cheap cards for 2.5/5/10 but the trouble of course is the power consumption
[03:19]  * lopta hands daftykins a PLIP cable.
[03:19] <daftykins> my file server is the aforementioned core 2 duo with 8GB DDR2, an SSD, 6 x 2TB in RAID5 and 2 x 2TB drives, whole lot pulls about 85W
[03:20] <lopta> I'm not keen on RAID5 but if it works for you, that's ok.
[03:20] <lopta> I lean more towards RAID 1+0
[03:20] <daftykins> i put it together a long time ago, so it's a legacy situation now - i tend to do 6 minimum now
[03:20] <daftykins> but more recently i've dabbled with ZFS and RAIDz2
[03:20] <lopta> I know the FreeBSD people like ZFS.
[03:21] <daftykins> ja, usable on *buntu too
[03:21] <lopta> (and Solaris, and probably Illumos)
[03:24] <lopta> Come to think of it, I should stand up an OpenIndiana box for test purposes.
[03:24] <lopta> ...that or OmniOS.
[03:26]  * lopta looks around the room for spare hardware
[03:35]  * lopta accidentally prices up new hardware
[03:38] <daftykins> easy mistake to make ^_^
[03:38] <daftykins> tempted by a board i've found on ebay, but it says untested + they try to say no returns
[03:38] <lopta> Is it morally wrong to put a $93 chip in a $50 board? :-)
[03:44] <daftykins> i'd found about that pricing level on some parts recently
[03:44] <daftykins> cheapest boards with intel gigabit LAN adapters + a 7th or 8th generation i3
[03:45] <lopta> RAM is what I'm struggling with at the moment.
[03:47] <daftykins> choice or the nasty prices DDR4 has reached? :)
[03:53] <lopta> Lack of choice, for the DDR4-2666 DIMMs.
[04:05] <lopta> Time to re-image. Wish me luck!
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[07:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:51] <squadBugg_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[07:52] <daftykins> o0
[07:53] <KnighW0rk> hey daftykins how are you man
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