[02:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> hello, I have Kubuntu 17.10
[02:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> after installing AMDGPU drivers xorg stopped working
[02:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> lightdm doesn't even start up
[02:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> same for sddm
 @MDTech-us_MAN, What if you manually run startx at the prompt?
[02:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> it immediatly shuts down
[02:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> the display clears for a second before returning to the prompt
[02:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> for now, I get by using Ctrl+Alt+F1 and startplasmacompositor
 I have not own an AMD card since I started using Linux, so I am probably not much help.
[02:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> but that uses wayland
[02:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> is there a way to prevent xorg from using a driver?
[02:39] <MDTech-us_MAN> so it would use the free driver
 you should be able to sudo apt remove <package name>
 and remove the driver package you installed.
[02:40] <MDTech-us_MAN> I don't want to do that since I need opencl
 you could try a new kernel
[02:42] <MDTech-us_MAN> I'm on 4.13.0-37-generic
[02:43] <MDTech-us_MAN> is there anythign newer?
 4.16 was just released.  Many AMD updates to the kernel since 4.13, but I don't know if they include opencl....
 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
 Follow these directions: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/install-linux-kernel-4-6-ubuntu-16-04/
[02:45] <MDTech-us_MAN> so, after installing the new kernel I should try opencl without the proprietary driver?
 That what I would recommend...
 Read bottom of this post here.... https://community.amd.com/thread/199447
 you may not need new kernel....
[02:56] <MDTech-us_MAN> ok, removed amd drivers, installed new kernel mesa opencl
 Working?
[02:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> gonna reboot in a sec
[02:57] <whiteboygbob> whats going on heard this is a better os than windows
 🤞
[02:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> just gotta enable the grub timeout so I can recover if anything happens
[02:57] <MDTech-us_MAN> whiteboygbob: its cool
[02:57] <whiteboygbob> how would i go about that
 the "esc" key will bring up grub menu if needed.
[02:58] <whiteboygbob> ok cool good looks
[02:58] <MDTech-us_MAN> DarinMiller, not if the timeout is set to zero
 hit esc after bios...
[02:59] <MDTech-us_MAN> whiteboygbob: try it alongside windows first
[02:59] <MDTech-us_MAN> whiteboygbob: make sure everything works
 @MDTech-us_MAN, Just verified on my PC, hit esc work after BIOS POST and grub menu will show even with timeout set to 0.
 @whiteboygbob, If you have a spare 2GB or larger USB drive, make live boot session and boot your  PC to the USB and "kick the tires" so to speak.  If you like what you see, install along side windows.  If you like it better than windows, you an reclaim your window hard drive space later and visa versa is you prefer windows.
 @MDTech-us_MAN, Any luck?
 @whiteboygbob, Did you need assistance creating bootable media?
[03:29] <MDTech-us_MAN> DarinMiller: No luck
 x still fails to start?
[03:30] <MDTech-us_MAN> yea
[03:30] <MDTech-us_MAN> and plasma failed too
[03:30] <MDTech-us_MAN> so I had to reinstall amdgpu drivers
[03:30] <MDTech-us_MAN> just to use wayland
[03:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> and the shitty thing is that startplasmacompositor doesn't work anymore
[03:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> so I had to start plasma using kwin_wayland --xwayland plasmashell
[03:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> the problem with that is that a bunch of fonts and stuff are bad
[03:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> I'm really waiting for KDE nano 18.04 to go live
[03:35] <MDTech-us_MAN> hopefully they will fix some of the wayland bugs
 hmmm, 18.04 has mesa 18, xorg 1.19 and the 4.15 kernel.  You might give live session a spin just see how it runs.
[03:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> really, I'm happy to just stay on wayland, but there are a few major things that just really eat away at me
 I am running 4 machines on the 18.04 beta and it work great.  Beta testing starts in a few days, so packages and most setting are fairly stable.
[03:36] <MDTech-us_MAN> it constantly crashes once or twice a day
 18.04?
[03:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> can I upgrade my current install
[03:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> I got 17.10 now
 yes, you can upgrade you current install.
[03:37] <MDTech-us_MAN> how?
[03:38] <MDTech-us_MAN> do-release-upgrade doesn't show anything
 sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[03:39] <MDTech-us_MAN> it works
[03:40] <MDTech-us_MAN> I'll just remove the amd drivers first
[03:40] <MDTech-us_MAN> just in case
 make sure it completes the update BEFORFE rebooting!  If it gives errors on update, ensure to run sudo apt full-upgrade until all updates are finished/completed.
[03:42] <MDTech-us_MAN> gotcha
[03:43] <MDTech-us_MAN> its still downloading packages
 Earlier in the alpha stage, the upgrade process some package deps were not complete, thus dpkg —configure -a and sudo apt-get install -f were required to complete the install.
 did you happen to try the "esc" key after BIOS POST to access the grub menu?
[03:49] <MDTech-us_MAN> I just removed the whole grub hidden timeout
[03:49] <MDTech-us_MAN> so grub is now visible
 that works too :)
[03:49] <MDTech-us_MAN> :D
[03:55] <Se7enLC> anyone familiar with 18.04 status? I'm having sddm trouble, wanted to see if it's just me or a known issue
 @Se7enLC, No 18.04 SDDM issues here on 4 machines....
[03:57] <Se7enLC> bummer, guess I have to actually debug it, then :-P
[03:57] <Se7enLC> thanks
 What are the SDDM symptons?
[03:59] <Se7enLC> hard to tell. No obvious errors, just never comes up
[04:00] <Se7enLC> as in, black screen. text terminal still works fine. Stop and restart of sddm service doesn't change it. Remove+purge, reinstall. remove config files.
 I use autologin so most of the time I don't interactive with SDDM.  However, I logout to switch to Wayland and it worked fine.
[04:00] <Se7enLC> ran sddm executable direct from terminal, still no dice
 Was it running fine and died after an update?
[04:02] <Se7enLC> yep
 What video card?
[04:04] <Se7enLC> nvidia. XPS15 9550 laptop, GTX 960M
 390 drivers?
[04:05] <Se7enLC> yep
 I have a Dell 7559 with same video card, 390.42 drivers installed.  No issues with it so far, however, I usually run the Intel drivers.
[04:06] <Se7enLC> X works fine, either launched with X, startx, or via gdm3
[04:06] <Se7enLC> it's just SDDM that's not working
 Running updates on that box now to see if I have same issue....
 you might try chmod 600 ~/.Xauthority
[04:11] <Se7enLC> shouldn't have anything to do with any user accounts
 Previous people have had issues with .Xauth and SDDM.  This Arch wiki recommends stomping on it if you experience hangs after login... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM
[04:15] <Se7enLC> It's not after login
[04:15] <Se7enLC> sddm doesn't even start
 Updates completed, rebooted, no issues here... switching to NVidia and rebooting....
 prime-select takes almost a minute in 18.04.  17.10 used to be less than second.
 Other than krunner starting up in the upper left hand corner, everything is fine here.  I am using autologin BTW....
[04:25] <Se7enLC2> I think autologin must be sufficiently different
[04:25] <Se7enLC2> does sddm even show anything, or does it go straight to kde?
 Turning off autologin and rebooting....
[04:27] <Se7enLC2> have fuuuun
[04:27] <Se7enLC2> :-)
 Goes straight to KDE when auto login enabled...
[04:27] <Se7enLC2> thanks for looking into it, if for nothing else than confirmation
 Reboot stops at SDDM screen.... prompting for login...
 Login working fine....
 So, I cannot replicate here.  Did you try remaining your .Xauthority file?
[04:29] <Se7enLC2> I even removed it
[04:30] <Se7enLC2> but really, I have multiple user accounts, how woo remove? sddm doesn't use anyuld I even know which one t
 Other than what listed on the Arch wiki, I don't know what else to try.
[04:30] <Se7enLC2> yeah, I've found a lot of similar reports, too, none of the suggestions so far have worked
 did you re-install SDDM?
[04:31] <Se7enLC2> about a dozen or so times
 cwap
 Do you have this line in your /etc/sddm.conf : Session=plasma.desktop
[04:34] <Se7enLC2> "QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different thread" is the only clue I have - might be unrelated. google suggests it might be common
 nm, that was under the [Autologin] section on my desktop.
[04:35] <Se7enLC2> Session= is blank, next to a note that says it will try last logged in
[04:35] <Se7enLC2> but again, that is only needed after login
[04:35] <Se7enLC2> won't matter what session if it doesn't even get to the part where I can log in
 yes, understood.  I keep forgetting that SDDM is failing to start.... not Plasma failing to launch...
 Did you stumble across this page: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1471264#p1471264
 The guy at botttom of this page says the above link worked for him with a 3 sec.  delay... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=226363
 that delay may fix the plasma and krunner corruption that I see on my laptop with plasma and krunner + nvidia driver.... atempting now...
 not working here as sddm.timer is not available....
 nm, did not read all the directions....
[04:45] <Se7enLC2> It's from 2015, too
[04:45] <Se7enLC2> hard to imagine I upgraded into an old bug
[04:48] <Se7enLC2> well, thanks for looking. I think I'll wait for 18.04 to officially release before I dig too much further.
 We may need to open a new bug.  If it fixes my issue, I will report the bug and maybe it will be fixed by the time 18.04 is released.
 Yes, SDDM is the Kubuntu's default display manager.
 Set user to autologin in system settings.
 FWIW, my system failed to boot using the sddm.timer method... and now sddm is failing to start...
 @Se7enLC2, Something is definitely amiss with nvidia and sddm.  My nvida profile now fails to properly run sddm, but the intel profile boot into sddm without issue.
 I will file a bug tomorrow.
[05:53] <BionicMac> Is it possible to "transform" Kubuntu to Ubuntu-Studio? I realize the kernel and tweaks are totally different for Rt (real time) ... I am curious if there is a simple way to install all the sound software from Ubuntu-Studio on top of (into/on)  Kubuntu or Ubuntu.
[05:58] <BionicMac> I guess I will pick and choose particular audio apps and install to Kubuntu for now.
[06:00] <krytarik> BionicMac: See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta
[06:01] <BionicMac> krytarik: Thank you so much. =)
[06:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:08] <BionicMac> krytarik: Great! I can pick and choose within the subsets of meta packages as such: (1) ubuntustudio-audio: Ubuntu Studio Audio Package -- (2)  ubuntustudio-audio-core: Ubuntu Studio Audio Core Package -- (3) ubuntustudio-audio-plugins: Ubuntu Studio audio plugins Package   --- ### --- Install those into (K)Ubuntu and I will have all the audio applications/tools/plugins that come with Ubuntu-Studio. Great! =)
[06:09] <BionicMac> This may work out better for me because Idon't need/want the rest of the Studio.
[06:10] <krytarik> You are welcome. :)
[06:11] <BionicMac> Thank you. =)
[06:14] <BionicMac> krytarik: I probably have several of the applications included in the ubuntustudio meta packages. Is this something I can sort out later? I don't want to break anything with dep conflicts.
[06:15] <BionicMac> I will look carefully before proceeding.
[06:17] <krytarik> Well, metapackages merely install other packages - if you got any of those already installed, no problem.
[06:18] <BionicMac> krytarik: How do you simulate (dry run) of what "apt-get install blah balh2 blah3" command will do so I can inspect what is going to happen?
[06:19] <krytarik> "apt-get -s ..."
[06:19] <BionicMac> -s
[06:19] <krytarik> :D
[06:19] <BionicMac> ok thanks
[06:20] <BionicMac> Kubuntu beta1 is running soooo smoooth.
[07:20] <lordievader> BionicMac: Good to hear.
[07:20]  * lordievader was wondering if he should switch back to Kubuntu from Neon.
[07:44] <BionicMac> lordievader: I am trying Kubuntu for te first time. Installed it yesterday. I'll have to say I really like it.
[07:45] <lordievader> I ran the development edition for quite some time. Switched to Neon some time back to play with it.
[07:46] <lordievader> s/edition/editions/ 😉
[07:46] <BionicMac> I'm partial to Kubuntu over the Ubuntu 18.04 Beaver I run with Gnome.
[07:52] <BionicMac> lordievader:I've been reading about Neon lately. Looks interesting.   Right now I need to boot into my Antergos install. Be back in a minute.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:07] <fRiSi> Hello! Today an update of several libkf5* packages broke kde on my laptop. Using kubuntu 16.04 without any fancy additional repositories
[15:08] <fRiSi> sddm is black after startup. Also a new user with empty home directory gets a black screen after calling startx from the console
[15:23] <fRiSi> Sorry. Crappy connection on my mobile.... did I miss any answers in the meantime?
[15:28] <vespertatia> pretty sure you were the last one to message
[16:36] <user|7225> Hi
[16:50] <user|3312> hola es que instale kubunto pero no lee la red wifi
[16:51] <diogenes_> !es
[19:33] <BionicMac> Beta 2 dropped. =) zsync to the rescue.
[19:34] <acheronuk> could still be image re-spins yet
[19:38] <BionicMac> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/388/builds/169585/downloads
[19:38] <BionicMac> I'm off to run errands. Peace.
[20:31] <mispp> hi all, i have an issue which should be reported to bugzilla, but not sure which category or how to reproduce. it comes and goes, sometime after locking desktop...
[20:31] <mispp> anyhow, i made a video https://drive.google.com/open?id=18kHHR0f89ipPxzZUNzhrTL9E1PR4bZn7
[20:31] <mispp> this happens on upcoming beta version of kubuntu
[20:31] <mispp> dual monitor setup, running on amd opensource drivers
[20:32] <mispp> bunch of windows are flickering as well...
[20:34] <acheronuk> mispp: X or wayland?
[20:34] <mispp> wayland
[20:35] <mispp> all in all, kubuntu seems quite unstable on my system (ryzen r7, amd rx560, 16gb ecc ram)
[20:35] <acheronuk> mispp: wayland is available, but not supported. for stability yopu should be using X
[20:36] <mispp> cant. one thing that might be part of the problem: i have two monitors, one standard dpi, the other one hidpi.
[20:37] <mispp> wayland is not stable, that's true. being this unstable, i don't think this is expected.
[20:39] <mispp> anyhow, have to leave and turn of the pc because it oftenly freezes after long period of inactivity
[20:39] <mispp> or i'll leave it and test my luck for responses later