[03:22] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> does ut have terminal
 Indeed it does
 Actually has pretty amazing features... Making something so keyboard heavy work on a touch screen was no small feat but they did that part marvelously
 Mycroft for Ubuntu Touch. Thoughts?
 I think the ever evasive will out there had proposed this ;)
[04:18] <ubptgbot> eo0xff was added by: eo0xff
 @wayneoutthere, I don't think I've met him . . . … Do you know what it would take to integrate it into UT as fully as Google Now is in Android?
 @amolith, See https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/community-update-21-79
 MyCroft AI integration —> Marius demonstrated some integration a long time ago but without the UI. This is not a priority until we reach the 16.04 milestone. We will leave this to the community until we can combine efforts.
 @eo0xff, Hi 0xfff leo, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 we have hybris oreo device tree? :D
 @advocatux, Mycroft would be cool, but idk how Mycroft is developing as a voice assistant, I haven't heard how good or bad it is since the beans incident
 @Mark Mullins, Still Oxide derivative of Chromium I believe. Though Xenial offers other possibilities?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Beans? I am intrigued…
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5J7vVQNkCw ?
 ^
[09:17] <ubptgbot> Alex was added by: Alex
 I have a pixel 2 XL any luck on installing?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, I played some months ago with Mycroft running on a Raspberry pi 3 and it clearly needed a lot of development. I'm downloading the last picroft version right now and I'll see how is these days
 @advocatux, I believe there was suppose to be a big update in February.
 I'm downloading Picroft - 2018-3-14
[10:01] <ubptgbot> federurio was added by: federurio
 Hello, i would like to install ub on my old nexus 7
 where i can fine the image file?
 There's no ready image available, unfortunately. You can port UT to your device however
 @advocatux, Do you know snips?
 Snips.ai
[10:10] <opendata> federurio
 @federurio, Is it 2012 or 2013 model?
 @federurio, Hello Federico. You can find out more about UBports at … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 2012 wifi
 @unknown, Nope but I know it now 👍
 @Alex, Unfortunately not. This was mentioned yesterday though … https://copperhead.co/
 @advocatux, I use it to control my self made offline smart home - it is only for speech recognition - but it does work pretty good
 Hmm the license wouldn't allow to integrate snips in UBports for free
[10:45] <ubptgbot> AkshitGarg was added by: AkshitGarg
 Welcome @AkshitGarg !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 Are tabs webbrowser-app in sandbox?
 @advocatux, Are you sure - this isn't a commercial project
 On GitHub the code is MIT or Apache 2
 The license is dual https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o-P2cYze_pMv-8MClMuUBEdPET8vLyGVAw145lq2ePM/pub
 We should move to OT if we are going to keep talking about snips.ai
 what daemon/part of Ubuntu controls device power state, such as going to sleep with screen off?
 @NotKit, Not sure but Powerd maybe is related?
 thanks
 wonder why powerd is not forked by UBPorts then
 @NotKit, It is https://github.com/ubports/repowerd
 repowerd? interesting
 @advocatux, I don't know.. this seems.. on topic.  UT is revolutionary.. this is kind of a 'standard need' now and I think it's a fair discussion to say 'what's up with voice and UT"
 @DanChapman, Strictly, repowerd is a powerd replacement, not a fork.
 @wayneoutthere, You're the boss so we'll keep it here 👍
 @alan_griffiths, Ah ok, thanks! I wasn't sure if it was a modified fork of powerd or it's own thing. Was just looking for some documentation somewhere on the rationale behind it. But kind find anything really.
 @advocatux, Wait, this I miss a memo...@wayneoutthere is boss now?
 @advocatux, [Edit] Wait, did I miss a memo...@wayneoutthere is boss now?
 You get sick for a couple of days and all of a sudden. Wayne rises to power.
 @Mohannes, Not really but he's suffering a lot with that NC installation and I wanted to ease his pain 😆
 @alan_griffiths, But the ubports repo is a "fork" of the original repowerd
 @alan_griffiths, [Edit] Ah ok, thanks! I wasn't sure if it was a modified fork of powerd or it's own thing. Was just looking for some documentation somewhere on the rationale behind it. But cant find anything really.
 strictly speaking ;)
 I wasn't closely involved but repowerd was the result of frustration with the fragile interactions between unity-system-compositor and powerd. There were issues both with the code and the architecture. Once some test cases were set out it became clear a rewrite was the cleanest way forwards.
 yeah. repowerd is definitely better
 Yes, the code doesn't hurt my eyes.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bGFAJwC7.png Excuse me, can i get help with this?
 Idk what's going on, my ubuntu error
 fsck /dev/sdXX and check the / integrity
 [Edit] fsck /dev/sdXX to check the / integrity
 [Edit] fsck /dev/sdXX to check the root(/) integrity
 @Ihsound, irc #ubuntu on freenode for general support with ubuntu on PCs, this group is about ubuntu touch on phones/tablets
 @dohbee, Ok, i am sorry. My bad. Just ignore my chat
 @advocatux, you don;'t know the full pain
 Sorry everyone
 @wayneoutthere, I've been following your cloud series. Better than netflix 😄
 like watching a man walk on hot coals
 ouch... owwwww.... man.... oh... ouch! oh....
[13:34] <ubptgbot> Jonathan Jenkins was added by: Jonathan Jenkins
[13:38] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Hey everyone, I'm experiencing an Error.  … Ubuntu 15.04(R3) OnePlus One bacon
[13:38] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> I can't access via ADB
[13:38] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Tried 3 usb wires, ADB just comes up with the device # and offline
[13:39] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Developer Mode is on
 Is ADB really running on PC? Did you check with other devices?
 and of course make sure that on pc it's running with sudo (in os x or linux) or as admin (on windows)
[13:46] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Yes, have the process ID and is bound by root
 oh, did you set password on your phone? developer mode doesn't work without the password
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> yes
 dunno than, lack of info=( My one works nice both with windows and os x
[14:31] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> If it matters, my system(s) aren't recognizing the storage either. So I can't do file transfer
 @Jonathan Jenkins, Known bug. See this to fix it https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1015/howto-opo-fix-mtp-driver-permissions
 While you are at that you can do this too https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1030/howto-change-the-name-of-your-device-for-bluetooth-pairing
 Good morning
 Good afternoon
[15:04] <ubptgbot> Paul Q was added by: Paul Q
 @Paul Q, Hi Paul Q, see https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
[15:25] <ubptgbot> Amrithanadh Manoharan was added by: Amrithanadh Manoharan
 @Amrithanadh Manoharan, Hi Amrithanadh, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @samzn, ... Nice. Are you in Vancouver Canada? Rare to see mornings match up in here.
 @wayneoutthere, I live in a third world shithole
 oh.  well, tht sounds like here
 depends on your qualification of the term
 uhm
[16:01] <ubptgbot> mayankmethad was added by: mayankmethad
 Are tabs webbrowser-app in sandbox?
 Are tabs webbrowser-app isolated in sandbox?
 yes and no
 it depends on what you are asking exactly
 they are as isolated from each other as tabs in chromium are by default, iirc
 each tab does not have a separate profile though
 and i don't think we have the aggressive process-per-site enabled (don't recall if it was even available in that version of chromium either)
 Does UT support VoLTE
 i don't think so
 at least not unless it's transparent in the baseband hardware, i guess
 the versions of ofono available in 15.04 or 16.04 don't support it. so i would say it likely won't be supported until sometime after 16.04 is made stable
[16:55] <ubptgbot> Revenge was added by: Revenge
 @Revenge, Hello Revenge. We have a lot of stuff about UBports at … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 I don't think my phone is compatible with ubuntu touch, but I wanted to join telegram anyways to support the community. ^_^''
 @Revenge, Great. What is your current phone?
 Lgg3
 @Stereofont, Its the lg phone g3
 @Revenge, It was listed in the Halium project 24 days ago
 That doesn't mean it will complete but an attempt is being made
 @Stereofont, Oh cool!
 Anything I can do to help it along? I'm a programmer, just not a very good one
 Pepitortue on Github seems to be the lead
 May be in the Halium group in Telegram?
 Link?
 @halium
 Halium is not only a base for UT but it enables UT installs
[17:06] <opendata> anyone have ubports rootfs links?
[17:06] <opendata> and anyone know what ill meed to change to make the rootfs work without hallium
 @opendata, tarballs would be on system-image.ubports.com
 Meanwhile, a 2013 Nexus 7 is probably the cheapest way to play around with UT
 @opendata, without halium, or without any android hal you mean?
[17:08] <opendata> halium
[17:08] <opendata> and android hal
 the rootfs doesn't require halium (15.04 images are not built with halium, and i'm not sure if any of the currently supported 16.04 devices are either)
 not requiring hybris will probably require a lot of patching and rebuilding things
[17:11] <opendata> that... sounds fun
[17:11] <opendata> anytihing to point me in right direction
 `apt-cache rdepends` for all the binary packages listed at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libhybris maybe
 there's plenty of stuff that uses android properties, which would need to be changed to something else, for example
[17:18] <opendata> hmmph
[17:19] <opendata> so i either port android 6.0 to it or do that
 @opendata, start with installing mesa mir platform
 that should bring you UI
 then check adaptation for other things
 @opendata, [Edit] start with installing mesa libEGL and kms mir platform
 you probably don't see edits in IRC, I meant libEGL from Mesa and KMS platform for Mir
 they are in repos
[17:23] <ubptgbot> trytonvanmeer was added by: trytonvanmeer
[17:23] <opendata> i do :)
[17:24] <opendata> shows like
[17:24] <opendata> ```
 @opendata, [Edit] start with installing mesa libEGL and kms mir platform
[17:24] <opendata> ```
 some init stuff and default config probably would need changed too. at least for pulseaudio and gstreamer it should be pretty easy to just remove the android plug-ins
[17:24] <opendata> we have no audio ;)
 I think init will just continue even if it can't setup Android container
[17:25] <opendata> though we do have gstreamer hw accel
 @opendata, sounds like a pretty awful phone, if it has no audio :)
[17:26] <opendata> heh, mostly waiting on linaro for audio
[17:26] <opendata> (they are upstreaming slimbus)
[17:26] <opendata> which is a req for audio
[17:26] <opendata> its z2 tablet
[17:27] <opendata> we didnt even have battery percent till a two days ago
[17:27] <opendata> even then its userspace math
 @Donieck, Webapps are, afaik. If you like you can create a webapp for any site you are consulting or to use different profiles.
 ok, well, point still stands. at least for gstreamer and pulseaudio the android plug-ins are separate packages, and not direct deps of the core libs
 you might be able to get by having hybris and stuff remain installed for a lot too, but i think several are just built to assume hybris/android being the only way to do certain things, for armhf/arm64 builds
 I guess rebuilding some things isn't the biggest deal, you currently have to do so even with Halium-based adaptations
 (I know it's not supposed to be this way, but...)
 well you don't have to rebuild the rootfs with halium
 if you have to build different rootfs tarball per device, then something is very wrong
 (at least for android based devices using halium, avoiding android is a different set of problems)
 say getting Mir on CAF 7.1 devices *currently* requires rebuilding it with CAF-enabled android-headers
 I know it's going to be fixed, but just as example, another one is outdated pulseaudio-module-droid
 well, that's because the CAF thing is incredibly stupid and someone broke the world
 updating pulseaudio-module-droid is way easier, and should be done anyway
 the CAF thing is awful and i dont see how it would ever be "fixed" outside of having to ship one rootfs for CAF and one for standard
 @trytonvanmeer, Hello Tryton. For information about UBports see this link. We also have a group for Dutch speakers … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Is it possible to install ubuntu touch on LYF Flame 1 or Xiomi Redmi Note 3 ?
 @dohbee, Maybe I misunderstood, but isn't it just the Mir android platform that needs building with "appropriate" headers? Including two builds of that lib may be ugly, but it might possibly be made to work.
 @Jishnurajm, if those are not in the list of supported devices, no
 the issue is that compared to desktop, Android phones require a firmware built for them specifically, installing the one build for other device won't work
 [Edit] the issue is that compared to desktop, Android phones require a firmware built for them specifically, installing the one built for other device won't work
[18:25] <opendata> not necessarily
 @alan_griffiths, I don't recall the exact details, but I thought it was anything that needs that header which screwed up the enum ordering.
[18:25] <opendata> thats what trebel is for
 so trebel is just going to have all possible sets of firmware blobs in one image?
 they are going to be in vendor partition
 so treble just moves the hardware-specific bits to another partition?
[18:28] <opendata> it makes the main system android specific
[18:28] <opendata> and the hals are isolated
[18:28] <opendata> s/android specific/non-device specific
 and it requires 8.1+ and device with a/b partitioning right?
[18:29] <opendata> no
[18:29] <opendata> only 8
 i guess it won't help much with ubports situation then
[18:39] <ubptgbot> Franklindemann was added by: Franklindemann
 Welcome @Franklindemann !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 @Jishnurajm, Mi 3 Cancro is receiving some attention in the Halium porting community. That is different than the Note 3? The other phone is limited to India it seems and with only 1 Gb RAM it is not an ideal candidate
 @alan_griffiths, That and a few other bits. We've got an experiment going but Mir can't auto-detect which platform it's running on yet: https://github.com/ubports/mir/commit/70bc62ce9906fcf3b3ff99b42ad6747415c1fd48
 @UniversalSuperBox, is there still an issue with it if platform is set manually?
 That is an excellent question.
[19:29] <ubptgbot> avfranchuk was added by: avfranchuk
 @avfranchuk, Hi Aleksandr, don't forget to read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> Dear UBports ! Please make GPD Pocket run UBport
 Buy a dev one :P
[21:00] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> @Lyokanthrope, how much does it cost?
 You want a port for the device but don't know how much it costs?
 @oleg sokolov, it's an x86 thing. it can already run Ubuntu, and you can install unity8 on Ubuntu 16.04 there if you want
 so just buy one and install ubuntu on it
[21:03] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> @dohbee, You wright!!
[21:04] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/dPN2NtId.webp
[21:05] <ubptgbot> <oleg sokolov> thanx