[00:02] <agio> hi, does anyone know what the [Dim screen to save power] checkbox in the unity-control-center does? here is screenshot:
[00:02] <agio> https://imgur.com/kcBtT7z
[00:02] <notadrop> agio: if you're on a laptop, it should dim the screen when the machine is inactive.
[00:02] <notadrop> when it's inactive for long enough, the screen is usually set to sleep/switch off
[00:03] <agio> notadrop: does "dim" mean "turn totally black" or just "dimmed"?
[00:03] <bugzbunny> dimmed
[00:03] <bugzbunny> That's what dim means
[00:04] <pragmaticenigma> agio, it will dim (reduce brightness) the screen to use less power for the backlight.
[00:05] <agio> ok thanks. I've never seen my screen go into this dimmed state (although I can see the benefit) what option determines how long until the system triggers this dimming?
[00:05] <bugzbunny> It will reduce backlight, besides the CPU, reduce battery consumption
[00:06] <bugzbunny> agio: Good question, no idea
[00:06] <adrian_1908> agio: it does happen pretty quickly though as I recall, within a minute or so.
[00:07] <pragmaticenigma> agio, if your system support dimming through the graphics drivers, it usually dims after 5 minutes or so
[00:12] <TJ-> agio: dimming is part of the Power-Manager options, usually accessed from the Battery icon/Battery applet
[00:18] <agio> TJ-:  thanks I've dumped `gsettings list-recursively' and I have found some potential candidates to control the dimming time maybe [time-low|time-action] within the "org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power" schema . the gsettings key for "turn screen off when inactive" is "idle-time" on that same schema
[00:19] <agio> ah, interestingly there is an "idle-brightness" value - currently set to 30 (percent) I presume
[00:21] <notadrop> pragmaticenigma: I 'solved' the problem, by replacing firejail config files with ones from Debian. should I open up a bug report on Launchpad?
[00:22] <pragmaticenigma> Personally, I'd wait for 18.04 and see if it is still an issue
[00:22] <pragmaticenigma> notadrop, ^  ^
[00:23] <TJ-> agio: idle_brightness could be the absolute value as written to /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness
[00:23] <notadrop> pragmaticenigma: why wait? is it a .04 vs .10 thing?
[00:23] <notadrop> pragmaticenigma: if I post this now, perhaps it could be fixed in 18.04, is my thinking
[00:24] <bugzbunny> notadrop: Rather duplicate something that is already fixed
[00:24] <notadrop> bugzbunny: ah I see, okay
[00:24] <agio> bugzbunny: TJ - found it you can get the current timeout value with this command:
[00:24] <agio> gsettings get  org.gnome.desktop.session idle-delay
[00:24] <pragmaticenigma> notadrop, 18.04 is pretty much in code freeze... major bugs will get fixed, but config file issues unlikely
[00:24] <agio> and set it (e.g. to test) with this command)
[00:25] <agio> gsettings set  org.gnome.desktop.session idle-delay 15    <-  15 seconds till dimming
[00:25] <TJ-> agio: only when using gnome of course :)
[00:25] <pragmaticenigma> notadrop, what's the difference between the two sets of config files in debian/ubuntu?
[00:25] <agio> TJ-: when would you not have gnome? isn't it default on all ubuntu desktops?
[00:26] <TJ-> notadrop: which release were the firejail profiles a problem in? I can check if they've been updated
[00:26] <TJ-> agio: Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, ...
[00:26] <bugzbunny> UbuntuBudgie
[00:27] <agio> ah ok, cool
[00:27] <TJ-> I've not allowed Gnome on my systems for about 5 years :)
[00:27] <notadrop> pragmaticenigma: what's the best program for answering that question..? CLI is okay...
[00:28] <notadrop> pragmaticenigma: the way GitHub shows changes between two versions, something like that would be nice. Know of anything?
[00:28] <notadrop> TJ-: xubuntu FTW
[00:28] <notadrop> TJ-: um. Xubuntu artful ardvark
[00:28] <TJ-> notadrop: OK, I'll pull the source and check the profiles
[00:28] <adrian_1908> I've been using Xubuntu for many many years now, but I worry it's so starved of developers that it won't survive much longer.
[00:29] <notadrop> TJ-: do you mind if I PM you?
[00:31] <TJ-> notadrop: from this link it looks as if firejail is synced directly from Debian with no changes! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firejail
[00:31] <TJ-> notadrop: I have PM blocked
[00:31] <TJ-> adrian_1908: there are a few of use working the kinks out
[00:31] <TJ-> s/use/us/
[00:32] <notadrop> TJ-: here are the conffiles I used: https://ptpb.pw/uICM.tar.gz
[00:33] <notadrop> TJ-: I replaced the conffiles that 'dpkg -s firejail' specifies
[00:33] <notadrop> TJ-: everything else *should* be untouched from the artful repo
[00:33] <adrian_1908> TJ-: oh you're involved? really cool. Still my #1 choice. Alas, there have been a few bugs that I don't know how to draw attention to, and I suspect low activity/small userbase have something to do with it.
[00:33] <notadrop> TJ-: I can reinstall firejail to confirm this, if you like?
[00:35] <notadrop> TJ-: btw, thanks for your work on Xubuntu... after distro hopping for years (including a fair bit of time running Arch) it's my favourite distro!
[00:37] <TJ-> notadrop: looking at the firejail profiles the biggest universal change is that in 0.9.50 they used ~ for the home directory path but in 0.9.52 those have all changed to $HOME - I bet that's what you hit (that ~ wasn't expanded correctly)
[00:38] <TJ-> notadrop: don't thank me, I've only just started digging into it's code specifically. I generally range over all the low-level / server packages that underping the entire infrastructure
[00:40] <notadrop> TJ-: but the only issue was accessing the Internet... LAN resources worked. would that cause this behaviour?
[00:40] <notadrop> I guess it probably could. I'm not really sure how firejail actually *works*
[00:41] <notadrop> Or how jails even work, haha
[00:41] <TJ-> notadrop: not sure! just going by the quick 'diff -u' I did on the 2 sets of source
[00:42] <adrian_1908> Offtopic, but are you two on Xubuntu right now? I'd like to confirm something.
[00:42] <TJ-> It uses the kernel's cgroups, namespaces, and so on (same as LXC, LXD, Docker)
[00:42] <TJ-> adrian_1908: Yes, I've got 4 laptops here running Xubuntu 18.04
[00:43] <notadrop> TJ-: well, when I upgrade, my local config files will be replaced... if things break, I'll come back
[00:43] <adrian_1908> Ok, in the Whisker menu, can you drag&drop (reorder) "Favorites"? For me, they drop immediately.
[00:43] <TJ-> notadrop: if you pulled them from Debian, those should be what is in the Ubuntu 18.04 package.
[00:44] <notadrop> TJ-: I did. alright.
[00:44] <TJ-> adrian_1908: Yes, I was able to drag the 2nd item to the end of the list
[00:45] <adrian_1908> TJ-: ok thanks. And did you ever run into the issue of having 2 (i.e. duplicate) Network icons in the Panel? For me, this happens on all 3 machines I installed Xubuntu on, 1 Desktop, 2 different notebook.
[00:45] <adrian_1908> And I cannot get rid of the behavior.
[00:47] <TJ-> adrian_1908: no, not seen that, but I think the primary icon is part of the notification applet. I had 2 batter icons beause I'd added a battery monitor manually.
[00:47] <notadrop> adrian_1908: I just installed Xubuntu, and I don't have this behaviour. But then I only use Ethernet.
[00:48] <notadrop> There is a seperate Network Monitor applet, and then there is the icon in the system tray
[00:48] <notadrop> so you probably have both?
[00:48] <adrian_1908> This has been so for years over the different versions and aside from some obscure forums discussions, it seems very few ran into this. If it didn't happen on 3 different machines, I would write it off as some odd hardware quirk.
[00:48] <notadrop> adrian_1908: stupid question, but... you looked at the panel items, and removed the network monitor icon, right?
[00:49] <notadrop> er, plugin, not icon
[00:50] <TJ-> adrian_1908: I just played. If I add 'status notifier' the existing nm-applet icon vanishes and new one appears in that applet. Remove that applet and the original nm-applet icon reappears
[00:50] <notadrop> because there is the Indicators plugin, which will show that icon, and then there's the network monitor applet
[00:50]  * adrian_1908 checking stuff, one moment (and thanks!)
[00:51] <TJ-> adrian_1908: I'd rather like to have multiple network icons, one per interface. I'm jealous!
[00:52] <adrian_1908> Guys, I'll boot my notebook and check there. On my Desktop I have network stuff hidden/deactivated because I only use LAN. One moment.
[00:53] <adrian_1908> btw, this is a error report someone did. I commented below it with my view on things. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1685502
[00:55] <notadrop> Does anyone here use KDE Connect on Ubuntu (successfully)?
[00:55] <notadrop> I tried to use it on Debian, and I just gave up on trying to get it to work.
[00:58] <adrian_1908> ok damn, it doesn't appear on my notebook right now (seems 18.04 has different panel plugins too). I'll reboot my Desktop (IRC) with network applet etc. enabled. If I could finally fix this issue because of a mistake i made, that'd be awesome. brb asap.
[01:00] <notadrop> adrian_1908: it seems you might have to restart the panel for some changes to take effect
[01:00] <adrian_1908> ok, logout was enough. So now I have checked the nm-applet box "Session & Startup" list and there are 2 network Icons.
[01:00] <notadrop> adrian_1908: I'm not sure how to do that...
[01:00] <TJ-> adrian_1908: so now you need to look at what applets are configured in the Panel Options
[01:01] <adrian_1908> One is part of Indicator plugin,
[01:01] <notadrop> Apparently, to restart a panel: xfce4-panel -r
[01:01] <adrian_1908> The other is part of "Notification area" it seems.
[01:01] <TJ-> I don't have the indicator plugin
[01:02] <notadrop> really? how do you not have it?
[01:02] <adrian_1908> It's on by default at least afaik.
[01:02] <notadrop> i'm on a fresh install of xubuntu, and I have it...
[01:02] <TJ-> what I mean is it's not in the list of Items
[01:03] <notadrop> oh, okay. so you can add it?
[01:03] <TJ-> I don't have it because it's related to Unity
[01:04] <TJ-> And I don't allow Unity on my systems
[01:04] <notadrop> can I ask why? freedom (FOSS) issues?
[01:04] <adrian_1908> notadrop: is `xfce4-panel -r` safe to do in a running session?
[01:05] <notadrop> adrian_1908: i'll let you know in 2s
[01:05] <notadrop> adrian_1908: yes it is
[01:06] <newbie1> Hey guys, can anyone  help me resolve an issue?  I am trying: sudo gedit /etc/default/openvpn and I keep getting back No protocol specified
[01:06] <newbie1> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[01:06] <notadrop> sounds like something to do with xorg
[01:07] <TJ-> newbie1: can't use sudo with GUI applications
[01:07] <newbie1> ok, what should I use?
[01:07] <notadrop> gksudo I believe
[01:07] <TJ-> notadrop: you're on 17.10 I'm guessing with the Wayland session?
[01:07] <notadrop> TJ-: I doubt it... this is Xubuntu, so XFCE
[01:07] <TJ-> notadrop: sorry
[01:07] <TJ-> newbie1: you're on 17.10 I'm guessing with the Wayland session?
[01:07] <newbie1> gksudo gives me this error: Failed to run gedit '/etc/default/openvpn' as user root.
[01:07] <newbie1> Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[01:07] <adrian_1908> i'll brb, gonna try something to confirm. (panel restart worked, thanks)
[01:08] <newbie1> TJ, yes I am on 17.10
[01:08] <bugzbunny> sudo gedit works here
[01:08] <notadrop> isn't sudo a bad idea for graphical apps?
[01:08] <notadrop> even if it *does* work
[01:08] <TJ-> newbie1: you'd need to logout, and use the gear/cog icon on the greeter page to select the "Ubuntu on Xorg" session before logging in
[01:09] <bugzbunny> Who says that?
[01:09] <bugzbunny> I mean, gedit is not trustworthy?
[01:09] <notadrop> I think somebody in ##linux said it, once
[01:09] <newbie1> ok, I will try that, thanks
[01:09] <notadrop> bugzbunny: no, not that
[01:09] <notadrop> something to do with graphical applications and... paths?
[01:09] <bugzbunny> notadrop: Typically, you wouldn't want to run any program as root that you don't trust
[01:10] <notadrop> of course
[01:10] <newbie1> ok I have logged back in, which command should I use?
[01:10] <notadrop> TJ-: ^
[01:10] <TJ-> newbie1: "gksudo gedit /etc/default/openvpn"
[01:10] <notadrop> adrian_1908: any luck?
[01:11] <newbie1> dang, gave me the same error
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> As a general rule, no you should use gksudo for graphical applications. however there isn't much harm in running sudo. They both do the same thing, gksudo just has some enhancements for handling desktop environment events. like spawing other graphical elements under the sudo
[01:11] <TJ-> newbie1: open a terminal, what does "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" report
[01:12] <bugzbunny> In my experience, across multiple distributions, sudo *always* worked
[01:12] <newbie1> it saywayland
[01:12] <bugzbunny> But meh, I guess it's matter of choice
[01:13] <TJ-> newbie1: then I don't think you selected the "Ubuntu on Xorg" session
[01:13] <adrian_1908> notadrop: sorry. no luck sadly, I'll post a screenshot to make myself feel better :p
[01:13] <newbie1> just did it again to confirm
[01:13] <notadrop> adrian_1908: in the screenshot, please include
[01:14] <notadrop> adrian_1908: Panel Preferences window, with the Items tab open
[01:14] <notadrop> I'm curious what is going on there
[01:14] <adrian_1908> ok, here how it looks, i'll post panel prefs in a moment: https://i.imgur.com/e2bevhD.png
[01:16] <notadrop> adrian_1908: do you have the Indicators plugin?
[01:16] <TJ-> I see only 1.4MB in that directory
[01:16] <notadrop> I guess I'll see in a moment...
[01:16] <notadrop> never mind
[01:17] <adrian_1908> https://imgur.com/a/tYXLw
[01:18] <newbie1> any other ideas?
[01:19] <adrian_1908> notadrop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1685502  <-- the reply from 2017-12-25 describes what I thought was going on back then, when i investigated it.
[01:20] <bugzbunny> Network Manage Applet and Network?
[01:20] <notadrop> adrian_1908: could you paste the direct link to the image, please?
[01:21] <adrian_1908> one sec
[01:21] <adrian_1908> panel items: https://i.imgur.com/EUGx7kk.png
[01:21] <adrian_1908> notification area plugin: https://i.imgur.com/z9q2epv.png
[01:21] <adrian_1908> indicator plugin: https://i.imgur.com/DMKdbAK.png
[01:22] <notadrop> Yeah, I see Network, as well as Network Manager Applet
[01:22] <notadrop> that would be why
[01:22] <notadrop> try Clearning Known Applications, then restarting the panel
[01:23] <notadrop> if that doesn't change anything, remove the notification area and re-add it
[01:23] <adrian_1908> will try
[01:23] <notadrop> or!
[01:23] <notadrop> you could tick the Hidden box beside one of them
[01:24] <notadrop> on the machine that has this... did you upgrade from older versions of Xubuntu?
[01:24] <adrian_1908> notadrop: that afaik just creates a toggleable menu, still containing the (duplicate) icon.
[01:24] <adrian_1908> the "hidden" box i mean
[01:24] <notadrop> my understanding is, it hides that icon from the Notification Area
[01:25] <notadrop> that really seems like the easiest way
[01:25] <notadrop> to me
[01:25] <adrian_1908> notadrop: all machines have this, rather reliably. I just couldn't reproduce it on my fresh 18.04 right now, but I think I saw it there too (I recall my disappointment)
[01:26] <newbie1> gedit admin:///path/to/some/random/file solved it!
[01:26] <adrian_1908> notadrop: To quote myself from that bug report "A quick-fix is to remove both panel items, re-adding the Notification area first. As the Indicator plugin gets added, some check appears to happen which then removes the duplicate Network icon from the Notification area."
[01:26] <adrian_1908> It seems to me there's SOME logic that's aware of this duplication and that it shouldn't be there.
[01:26] <notadrop> I'm not even sure how you're getting it
[01:27] <notadrop> You're on Ubuntu, right, not Xubuntu?
[01:27] <adrian_1908> Xubuntu
[01:27] <notadrop> Yeah, so am I. I just did a fresh install of it not two weeks ago
[01:27] <notadrop> I'm on 17.10
[01:27] <notadrop> That's why I asked if you'd upgraded from earlier versions... I figured you had both the old and new network icons there
[01:28] <adrian_1908> I've had this at least since 16.04, possibly earlier, on all machines. I installed every Xubuntu release since, and almost always fresh.
[01:28] <rud0lf> notadrop: bionic has close confirmation now in terminal when process is still running
[01:28] <rud0lf> i think it's cool if you have 10 terminals opened
[01:28] <notadrop> rud0lf: ??
[01:28] <rud0lf> if/when
[01:28] <rud0lf> bionic = 18.04
[01:29] <notadrop> rud0lf: oh, I use tilix... it
[01:29] <notadrop> 's always had that afaik
[01:29] <rud0lf> tilix? is it some kind of custom terminal?
[01:29] <notadrop> it used to be called terminix. it's a tiling terminal
[01:31] <adrian_1908> Looks like 18.04 ditched the "Notification Area" plugin, or at least renamed/upgraded it. Since I cannot replicate the issue on my 18.04 notebook right now, maybe I should hope and pray that the upcoming release will have it fixed by accident.
[01:32] <adrian_1908> Aye, it's called "Status Notifier Plugin" now.
[01:33] <notadrop> rud0lf: https://ptpb.pw/remg
[01:33] <rud0lf> ugh firefox thought it's a text file :D
[01:33] <rud0lf> let me save it
[01:34] <notadrop> my bad
[01:34] <notadrop> rud0lf: https://ptpb.pw/remg.png
[01:34] <rud0lf> ew weechat
[01:34] <rud0lf> :P
[01:34] <notadrop> colour scheme is kind of ugly, this is my admin account
[01:34] <notadrop> I don't use it usually
[01:34] <rud0lf> i'm looking for a cool domain name
[01:35] <pragmaticenigma> rud0lf, do you have a support related question?
[01:35] <rud0lf> sorry, no
[01:35] <rud0lf> thought can chat a bit while noone's here talking
 Yeah, I see Network, as well as Network Manager Applet      <-- btw, this is gone in the 18.04 plugin, so that would probably be why. I just don't know how it was caused in the first place. I'll wait until 18.04 I guess.
[01:36] <pragmaticenigma> rud0lf, problem with thinking no one's talking is there might be someone waiting for it to quiet down.
[01:36] <adrian_1908> ("Network" being the one that's gone)
[01:36] <rud0lf> i see, sorry for causing troubles
[01:36] <SlidingHorn> rud0lf, try #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[01:38] <michi31426> !patience
[01:46] <adrian_1908> alright, time to go. Thanks again you two (won't ping you) for the help! :)
[01:46] <pascal> hi leute
[01:47] <Guest63783> hi leute
[01:47] <Guest63783> hello
[01:51] <michi31426> hi Guest63783
[01:56] <guiverc> michi31426, if you're still waiting; repeat your question  (patience is for those that wait mins; if your question is the uefi one, please ask again & maybe different eyes will see it)
[01:57] <michi31426> I just accidently "rm -R ~/" . Looks bad, so maybe it's the perfect time for a fresh install. I made an efi stub a while ago (followed a guide, not really understanding :/ ). Do I need to revert or delete the efi stub before installing a new system?
[01:58] <michi31426> I'm not sure on which layer my efi stub is lying (efi, bootloader or os)
[02:14] <pragmaticenigma> michi31426, your stub should be in the EFI partition. If it already exists, I think you can just do a new install following the instructions. Check through this documentation and see if it helps. I'm not familiar with EFI myself https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[02:16] <charlin> hi
[02:17] <michi31426> @pragmaticenigma this makes sense. I just found the tutorial, I followed: https://askubuntu.com/questions/510856/how-to-boot-load-the-kernel-using-efi-stub-efistub-loader/742154#742154
[02:17] <charlin> any one has the code of Openclinical EDC system?
[02:18] <michi31426> pragmaticenigma, there it copies to /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu. So this means, a reinstall should be fine?
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> michi31426, I don't know for sure. I'm not that familiar with UEFI systems.
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> michi31426, if you're data is backed up, I don't see any harm in trying
[02:22] <michi31426> pragmaticenigma, but your link is very helpful
[02:24] <pragmaticenigma> I know there are some here that can help with UEFI... the best time to reach them is weekdays around 19:00 UTC
[02:33] <Guest5692> hello guys, so im kind of new to linux and im trying to edit a .conf file via terminal, i've opened it and added what i wanted to add however i don't know how to save what i have added to it. can i just close an and it automatically saves it?
[02:35] <michi31426> Guest5692 with which command did you open it?
[02:36] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: No. what is the editor that you used ? Is this a system file and dud you open the file with the admin privileges ?
[02:36] <Bashing-om> dud/did*
[02:37] <Guest5692> @Bashing-om : "resolv.conf"
[02:37] <Guest5692> i opened it via terminal
[02:38] <Guest5692> idk if that answers the question as to which editor i used?
[02:38] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: what is the exact command you used to open the file ?
[02:38] <Guest5692> " sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf "
[02:40] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: save and exit : ctrl+o then ctrl+x .
[02:41] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: Bit heed that 1st line in the file !!
[02:46] <Guest5692> it worked! thanks
[02:46] <Guest5692> one more question
[02:47] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: sure ask .. but be aware your edits to /etc/resolv.conf will be overwritten next boot .
[02:48] <Guest5692> i use a command line toolto connect to a vpn service i use. Normally i have to open up terminal and enter the command to start and connect to one of my vpn's servers, my question is how do i automate this, how do i make it so that such commands run automatically when the system starts up?
[02:48] <Guest5692> the command i enter are " sudo protonvpn-cli -f
[02:49] <Guest5692> if it matters i'm running Ubuntu Mate
[02:51] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: If you want it to run when you login, add the commad to the .bashrc file in your /home .
[02:56] <michi31426> pragmaticenigma thanks a lot, I now understand it better. efi stub seems to be the bootloader itself, so it replaces e.g. grub. I think, I am safe to try (you're out of responsibility :) ). Thanks again
[02:58] <Guest5692> Bashing-om do i add it to the bottom of the list?
[03:08] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: yeah ,, will be fine to add at the end .
[03:09] <michi31426> actually, .bashrc is not the best idea. You should prefer .profile
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Guest5692: michi31426 has a point . depending on when/how you want it to start .
[03:17] <Joel> Weird DPMS issue, I can force on, force suspend, force off, etc. for about thirty seconds. if I force off, my monitor will then say no signal, going into power saving mode, then I can't seem to get it to wake up, even with a force on, an xset q, will show it as on, after a force on, even though it's not
[03:18] <Joel> thoguhts?
[03:20] <ash_worksi> if I nc my host from a container, the host will reject it right?
[03:20] <ash_worksi> like, your host doesn't just accept random connect, even if they are on 0.0.0.0 right?
[03:21] <ash_worksi> I mean, I know I have my head up my .... but I really could use some guidance here
[03:30] <Sterist> I'm used to seeing a release countdown on the Ubuntu home page but... not there :( is it "officially" released already?
[03:31] <Bashing-om> Sterist: Due date is Apr 26 .
[03:32] <Sterist> okies :)
[03:34] <Sterist> is there any way to configure the system to automatically remove previous kernel versions after receiving updates? gets annoying routinely hitting the terminal for it
[03:35] <SlidingHorn> Sterist, see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels#Configure_Unattended_Upgrades_to_Remove_Unneeded_Kernels_Automatically
[04:17] <muto> hello
[04:17] <muto> my firefox is wrong ,how to rebuild it.
[04:21] <happygolucky>  Hi all. Running Lubuntu 16.04.4 and at startup I get a brief message saying Failed to start LSB: AppArmor initialization. Full paste from systemctl here: https://pastebin.com/NmfzgdxQ Is this a big deal? Anything I can/should do about this message?
[04:59] <rud0lf> can i make ubuntu banner of login screen (precisely on ubuntu 16.04 server) appear only for certain users?
[04:59] <rud0lf> the one that says info about packages
[05:00] <EriC^> rud0lf: yes
[05:00] <rud0lf> how?
[05:01] <EriC^> disable it for all and add to their .bashrc "runparts /etc/update-motd..."
[05:01] <EriC^> run-parts /etc/update-motd.d
[05:02] <EriC^> or install update-motd
[05:02] <rud0lf> thanks
[05:02] <EriC^> np
[05:03] <segersjerry> Hi, I'm moving from mac to linux, and my old directories frequently began with a + to force them to sort first. In Ubuntu Mate, + sorts last. What is an alternative character to use for this purpose?
[05:14] <xsill> ку всем
[05:14] <xsill> есть кто живой
[05:15] <Bashing-om> !ru | xsill
[05:24] <hiiggy> Quick question. If I'm too impatient for the 18.04 release and install the beta now, are there any drawbacks once the full release comes out? Would there be any leftover files after updates to the full release? Or would it simply be a case of apt update/full-upgrade as normal?
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> !final | hiiggy
[05:27] <hiiggy> Right, so need for do-release-upgrade. Good to know.
[05:29] <hiiggy> I assume then that upgrades from beta should then result in an identical system as one that was freshly installed from the final release? Minus user data and such, of course.
[05:29] <hiiggy> Do I need to edit sources.list, or will that also be done automatically?
[05:31] <madghost> hello
[05:31] <madghost> my problem is ubuntu 17.04 (((
[05:31] <madghost> I can't update one (
[05:32] <Bashing-om> !17.04 | madghost
[05:32] <madghost> no access to repositories for zesty, what I have to do to fix it ?
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> hiiggy: no need for sources.list no
[05:33] <madghost> ubottu: thanks a lot!!!
[05:33] <Bashing-om> !eol | madghost
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> madghost: we reccomend a clean install of an ubuntu version from our topic
[05:37] <guiverc> madghost, your sources.list* files point to where supported releases are; the `archive.ubuntu.com` needs to be replaced with `old-releases.ubuntu.com` (with any country codes removed) - then release-upgrade to 17.10; but a [clean] install as already suggested may be easier.  use a LTS if release-upgrades regularly are a pain (LTS releases have 5 years of support)
[05:38] <madghost> guiverc: yes, thank you, I will do it.
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> !usn | madghost see also the risks of using and EOL version overtime
[05:39] <madghost> I just want to try to upgrade to 17.10 version
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> madghost: its possible sure, but we told you the risks
[05:41] <SlidingHorn> madghost, also note that 17.10 loses support in a few months as well
[05:41] <madghost> yes, so, is it better to install 16.04 version ?
[05:42] <SlidingHorn> madghost, that, or install bionic in a couple weeks when it's released
[05:44] <madghost> so I can upgrade to 17.10 now, and install bionic in two weeks ?
[05:44] <SlidingHorn> madghost, if you want to go through all that trouble.  I'm assuming that would likely involve two clean installs
[05:45] <madghost> it is test computer, for some tests, I'm not working on it, it's not server for example
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> madghost: or install 18.04 right now and await the final on upgrades
[05:45] <madghost> it's just for tests
[05:46] <madghost> oh, is it exists ? )
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> madghost: yes join #ubuntu+1
[05:46] <madghost> I didn't see it on ubuntu site :(
[05:46] <SlidingHorn> !18.04 | madghost
[05:46] <madghost> ))) thanks )))
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> madghost: if you choose the LTS way, we reccomend 16.04.4 and await 18.04.1 in june upgrade
[05:49] <zaapiel> hi
[05:49] <zaapiel> i need help finding my usb thmb drive on linux
[05:49] <zaapiel> how would one go abo9ut doing that
[05:50] <madghost> thanks a lot ))) good day for me.
[05:50] <zaapiel> ) umount /dev/sdb
[05:50] <zaapiel> If your USB stick is under /dev/sdb
[05:50] <zaapiel> 2) dd if=FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=/dev/sdb bs=10240
[05:50] <zaapiel> see that
[05:50] <zaapiel> is sdb what linux uses
[05:51] <kamal__> hi, I need help on integration of nexus and mavan
[05:51] <SlidingHorn> zaapiel, if it's the 2nd storage device (sd), then most likely.  Your main HDD would be sda, secondary (or USB, in this case) sdb
[05:52] <demu> zaapiel: lsblk
[05:53] <zaapiel> ty
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> kamal__: define integration please?
[05:54] <zaapiel> dc      8:32   1  14.8G  0 disk
[05:54] <zaapiel> └─sdc1   8:33   1  14.8G  0 part
[05:54] <zaapiel> look right?
[05:55] <zaapiel> sdb and sda are hard drives
[05:55] <zaapiel> sdc is probally the usb
[05:55] <kamal__> I am using automation deployment of CI/CD
[05:55] <SlidingHorn> !paste | zaapiel - Is your USB drive about 14GB?
[05:57] <demu> zappiel: most likely yes. The RM is for removable indicated by 1.
[05:58] <kamal__> also using nexus repo for maven artifacts
[05:59] <demu> zaapiel: unless you have other with RM of 1
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> kamal__: still not sure what you want yet...explain your whole story?
[06:01] <demu> zaapiel: Also "lsblk -S" will give you Vendor and Model
[06:12] <sahdg> hey guys, I installed dnscrypt proxy and it's working fine so far. Only problem Is i have to manually start it every time after logging in.
[06:12] <sahdg> There's not much info for a regular user here: https://github.com/jedisct1/dnscrypt-proxy/wiki/Installation-linux#usage-with-systemd
[06:15] <SlidingHorn> sahdg, which version of Ubuntu?
[06:15] <sahdg> 17.10
[06:16] <SlidingHorn> you should just be able to sudo systemctl enable dnscrypt-proxy.service && systemctl start dnscrypt-proxy.service
[06:18] <sahdg> SlidingHorn: will it ask for the password every time it starts?
[06:19] <SlidingHorn> sahdg, it shouldn't
[06:21] <sahdg> alright thanks!
[06:25] <alexneudatchin> https://askubuntu.com/a/719157
[06:29] <SlidingHorn> alexneudatchin, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the application is already set up for systemd why create another unit?
[06:30] <alexneudatchin> i didnt check it myself so idk
[06:31] <kamal__> I want to build code using maven in jenkins and using nexus repo
[06:32] <SlidingHorn> kamal__, have you tried #maven?
[06:32] <kamal__> but facing challanges in integration in jenkins and nexus so kindly suggest.
[06:33] <kamal__> yes, I am using maven to build code in jenkins.
[06:35] <ducasse> kamal__: use !alis to find a more appropriate channel, this is not an ubuntu question
[06:35] <ducasse> !alis
[06:35] <SlidingHorn> kamal__, I meant the #maven irc channel here on freenode.  They'll probably be able to better help
[06:35] <ntz> hello
[06:36] <alexneudatchin> dnscrypt-proxy.service should exist and enable vs start and so on.
[06:36] <ntz> giving to somebody a support ... I don't have ubu for myself .. do cron log entries end up in /var/log/messages in ubu ? yes/no
[06:36] <ntz> thanks much
[06:37] <alexneudatchin> my bet it wouldnt work
[06:37] <rajivmars> how to swich on an available swap permanently in ubuntu 16.04?
[06:39] <SlidingHorn> rajivmars, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F
[06:39] <rajivmars> ok
[06:40] <ntz> can somebody answer my question ? google says it is in ubu in /var/log/syslog ... holy sh*it ? don't have /var/log/messages ?
[06:41] <bazhang> no cursing here please ntz
[06:44] <ntz> okay once more ... can you just confirm, if in ubu end up cron log enries in /var/log/messages (or /var/log/syslog) ?
[06:45] <ntz> I don't have ubu for myself, I need to get it explicitely confirmed for some reason, thanks
[06:46] <SlidingHorn> ntz, assuming they're using 16.04, it should be in /var/log/syslog.  Tell them to use <<  sudo grep -i cron /var/log/syslog  >>
[06:46] <ntz> SlidingHorn++
[06:46] <ntz> thx
[06:46] <ntz> SlidingHorn: ^^ not karma bot here ?
[06:49] <SlidingHorn> ntz, nope..we do it for the warm fuzzy feeling :P
[06:49] <ntz> good, thanks :)
[06:49] <ntz> bye ppl, live in peace !!
[07:03] <teunissenstefan> hi
[07:08] <rajivmars> what is the command to edit something in /etc/fstab?
[07:09] <geirha> sudoedit /etc/fstab
[07:10] <lanhuabao> hi
[07:10] <lanhuabao> anybody here?
[07:11] <guiverc>  rajivmars, open it with an editor (elevated privileges); eg. for me its `sudo vim /etc/fstab`  (as I use vim)
[07:12] <guiverc> fstab (file system table) is a text file
[07:17] <guiverc> sorry geirha - i didn't see your answer - apologies.
[07:29] <s10gopal> can anyone please help me to build kernel from git source?
[07:30] <bazhang> s10gopal, did you want a higher kernel?
[07:31] <s10gopal> bazhang, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 , i tested it and it happens on 4.13 but not on 4.12 , so i need to do git bijection
[07:31] <SwedeMike> s10gopal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild
[07:32] <s10gopal> SwedeMike, but i cant implement it
[07:32] <SwedeMike> s10gopal: if you ask for help and don't describe what you have already tried and what problem you encountered, then it's impossible to help.
[07:34] <s10gopal> SwedeMike, bazhang, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 , i tested 4.4 and 4.12 the problem dont occur on it
[07:34] <s10gopal> SwedeMike, but on 4.13 to latest it occur
[07:34] <s10gopal> SwedeMike, someone said me to do git bijection to find the bad commit
[07:34] <s10gopal> SwedeMike, but i dont know how to do it
[07:37] <s10gopal> SwedeMike, something like this TJ-	s10gopal: no, running 'git bisect' is the easy bit. I'm referring to preparing to build by copying in an appropriate .config file, doing 'make silentoldconfig' then 'make bzImage' then having to copy that into /boot/vmlinuz-test, build an initrd.img 'update-initramfs -c -k test' and 'update-grub' then reboot test and repeat as required.
[07:38] <derk0pf_> op´äü+´äüpß0oz7tewq1234567890ß´ü
[07:38] <derk0pf_> sorry
[07:38] <derk0pf_> cleaning my keyboard :f
[07:39] <s10gopal> bazhang, he is not saying anything
[07:42] <BlueShark> I added topmenu-mate-panel-applet to my Ubuntu MATE panel. How to remove it?
[07:44] <Scorpio> can I say?
[07:45] <bazhang> Scorpio, ubuntu support issue?
[07:46] <Scorpio> sorry,i just test,because i cannt send when i join the other channle
[07:52] <SlidingHorn> BlueShark - From where did  you install it?
[07:52] <SlidingHorn> I'm not seeing it in the repos
[07:52] <BlueShark> SlidingHorn, It came with the default installation of Ubuntu MATE.
[07:52] <BlueShark> SlidingHorn, topmenu-mate-panel-applet
[07:53] <SlidingHorn> !find topmenu-mate-panel-applet
[07:55] <BlueShark> Previously, in older versions, there used to be a Panel Preferences option when you right click on any panel, where you can add/remove applets that you've added.
[07:55] <BlueShark> That option has been removed now.
[07:56] <SlidingHorn> what version are you using?
[07:56] <SlidingHorn> (of ubuntu)
[07:56] <BlueShark> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS.
[07:56] <BlueShark> 4.13.0-37-generic
[07:56] <BlueShark> x86_64
[08:05] <asy234> `åÁÐWkK0NòpgêgÆÜáeeÅ2ÆöÝÒ
[08:05] <guiverc> BlueShark, i don't know - this is a hack that may work.  i added it to my 16.04 ubuntu-mate & had trouble removing it too.  i went to shell and `killall /usr/lib/mate-apple...` and got a error asking if i want it to be reloaded on panel or not  - maybe this 'hack' will help?
[08:08] <guiverc> BlueShark, when i logged out, re-logged in, i didn't see it running... - very untidy i know
[08:36] <BlueShark> guiverc, wow, that's exactly what I did too. Except the small difference was, I did a pux aux | grep topmenu and then kill X
[08:57] <fberg_> hello guys. I'm running ubuntu 16_04. I need to have the gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf version 6. Does anyone know how to get it ?
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> !info gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf xenial
[08:58] <fberg> ooops
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> !latest | fberg or try !backports or snap
[08:59] <fberg> lotuspsychje: thanks
[08:59] <fberg> ubottu: thanks
[09:00] <fberg> I need it to compile u-boot. It's latest release requires a gcc version >=6
[09:01] <blitz-_> Anyone got experience installing 16.04 server (mdadm boot) on a dell t130 with a perch h330? Refuses to boot and not sure if its a raid card problem or boot problem.
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> blitz-_: perhaps #ubuntu-server can help?
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> fberg: we reccomend using software from the official ubuntu repos, instead of compiling yourself
[09:05] <R13ose> Hi
[09:10] <fberg> lotuspsychje: I need to customize it
[09:11] <fberg> and to cross compile it for a raspberry pi 3
[09:20] <rud0lf> do you think i should fiddle with ufw in general on vps or will fail2ban be sufficient?
[09:20] <rud0lf> <-- server networking illiterate
[09:21] <SlidingHorn> rud0lf, Here's a really good manual on securing a debian server  :) https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
[09:22] <rud0lf> thank you
[09:24] <rud0lf> i use linux for 3 years and i'm still not sure what "Unix"
[09:24] <rud0lf> is
[09:24] <rud0lf> standard?
[09:45] <hiddennacho> hi
[09:45] <hiddennacho> I've got a question about downloading repositories
[09:46] <hiddennacho> should I download just xenial or xenial-updates, xenial-security etc too?
[09:47] <hiddennacho> and will it still be secure to install them on the machine that has no internet connection? it just has dvd installed xenial
[10:03] <narra> Hi There
[10:03] <narra> Has anyone seen this compile issue with VirtualBox ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WgFb9f9jfR/
[10:04] <narra> or in short: /bin/bash: ./debian/scripts/retpoline-extract-one: No such file or directory
[10:18] <Dirkos_> I have a text: Het euroteken (€) is het valutateken
[10:18] <Dirkos_> but somehow i cant paste this in my ubuntu shell
[10:18] <Dirkos_> It will be a different sign and not the char i expect
[10:23] <wodim> does the minimal iso image have uefi support?
[10:28] <alexneudatchin> Dirkos_:convert it to unicode
[10:29] <alexneudatchin> wodim:same as full iso
[10:33] <bumbar_> how can i check if installed java package is from oracle or openjdk?
[10:37] <Ben64> bumbar_: java -version
[10:43] <rockfordal> hi. the selfcheck of ubuntu-14.04-server tells me my usb image has incorrect checksum on a file (think it was some default .cfg profile file)
[10:43] <jk^> Hi all
[10:45] <ZaZaQR> hello
[10:45] <jk^> I read all guides, but i can't install my multifunction printer EPSON Stylus SX130, System recognized it, but when i try to install by Printer panel, the process stops when the progress bar is almost at the end
[10:45] <ZaZaQR> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/install-feedreader-rss-reader-ubuntu
[10:45] <bumbar_> Ben64, doesn't show vendor though (at least i can't see it), thanks though. i ended up using "java -XshowSettings:properties"
[10:45] <ZaZaQR> i don't know how to uninstall Feedreader on Ubuntu
[10:45] <Ben64> bumbar_: it does
[10:47] <Ben64> bumbar_: the command you posted is much less obvious
[10:50] <ZaZaQR> one there?
[10:50] <jk^> may anyone help me?
[10:54] <tomreyn> !ask | jk^
[10:55] <tomreyn> ZaZaQR: ^ you, too ;-)
 I read all guides, but i can't install my multifunction printer EPSON Stylus SX130, System recognized it, but when i try to install by Printer panel, the process stops when the progress bar is almost at the end
[10:56] <tomreyn> ZaZaQR: try this: flatpak uninstall feedreader
[10:56] <bumbar_> Ben64, yes it's less obvious but "java -version" on my laptop only says java, and without checking on my machine, which explicitly says openjdk i wouldn't know which one is on laptop
[10:57] <tomreyn> jk^: which ubuntu release is this? lsb_release -ds
[10:57] <jk^> lubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[10:58] <Ben64> bumbar_: none of them only say java
[10:58] <tomreyn> jk^: you can also manage the printer at http://localhost:631
[10:58] <jk^> tomreyn, HOw?
[10:58] <ZaZaQR> error
[10:59] <tomreyn> jk^: access the url form a web browser, then click on Administration
[10:59] <tomreyn> then "manage printer"
[11:00] <tomreyn> or "add printer"
[11:00] <jk^> ok
[11:00] <jk^> It asks me userid and pass
[11:00] <tomreyn> ZaZaQR: any more details?
[11:01] <tomreyn> ZaZaQR: try "flatpak list" to find out the proper name of the package to uninstall
[11:01] <jk^> tomreyn,
[11:02] <ZaZaQR> error: Invalid id feedreader: Names must contain at least 2 periods
[11:02] <tomreyn> jk: just enter them, it's your ubuntu login and password
[11:02] <jk^> mmmmh :\
[11:03] <tomreyn> jk^: this website is hoste don your own computer, localhost, the credentials are not sent to the internet
[11:03] <jk^> tomreyn, excuse me
[11:03] <jk^> i tought they are general credentials, such as "admin admin" OR "admin pass"
[11:04] <jk^> in local printers it shows me the name of my printer
[11:04] <tomreyn> ZaZaQR: flatpak uninstall org.gnome.FeedReader
[11:04] <R13ose> Hi
[11:04] <jk^> though, even in Printer panel by main menus
[11:04] <tomreyn> jk^: i was suprised about using my credentials there, too, the first time, still remember it now :)
[11:05] <tomreyn> jk^: how did you install it initially?
[11:05] <jk^> Do i need to "Share" the printer? (I don't know what it deserve) :\
[11:05] <jk^> Do i need to "Share" the printer? (I don't know what it deserves) :\
[11:05] <R13ose> The plus signs are still showing up in each text area I put my mouse there.  What do I do?
[11:05] <tomreyn> jk^: no need to share it, unless you want to be able to print to it from other computers in your local network
[11:06] <jk^> initially i tried to install it by "Printer" which is in the main menu "System Tool"
[11:06] <tomreyn> R13ose: did you try both kernels (also the ubuntu one)? maybe try a different OS, too.
[11:07] <ZaZaQR> thanks
[11:07] <jk^> tomreyn, now it shows me a list of model
[11:08] <jk^> Mine there isn't :(
[11:08] <tomreyn> jk^: according to http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-SX130_Series the recommended driver is epson-201101w
[11:08] <R13ose> tomreyn: I am using Ubuntu one now
[11:08] <jk^> where is it?
[11:08] <jk^> Have i to select if by file?
[11:09] <jk^> At he bottom, there is a "OR provide a PPD file"
[11:09] <tomreyn> jk^: you should get to see a list of drivers you can choose from on the "cups" website you are on.
[11:10] <jk^> i don't understand :|
[11:10] <jk^> there is a list of model
[11:10] <jk^> but my model "EPSON Stylus SX130" isn't there :|
[11:10] <tomreyn> jk^: on the list of known models, is "epson-201101w" listed?
[11:12] <jk^> no
[11:12] <jk^> tomreyn, there isnt'
[11:12] <jk^> isn't
[11:13] <jk^> there is a list by name of printer not by name of their drivers tomreyn
[11:15] <tomreyn> jk^: download this file https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/Epson-Stylus_SX130_Series-epson-driver.ppd
[11:15] <tomreyn> jk^: it is a PPD file. you can choose the option "priovide a PPD file" and supply this file
[11:16] <tomreyn> R13ose: okay, so it happens with both kernels. you could also try a mainline kernel
[11:16] <tomreyn> !mainline
[11:17] <jk^> where do u find it tomreyn ?
[11:17] <tomreyn> R13ose: chances are it wont change much, though, but it's worth a try.
[11:17] <tomreyn> jk^: what is "it"?
[11:17] <jk^> the file
[11:18] <SimonNL> https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/Epson-Stylus_SX130_Series-epson-driver.ppd
[11:19] <SimonNL> I'm guessing there jk^ ^
[11:19] <jk^> i guess it's a your Space's URL
[11:19] <pelmenoid> Hello, how beta is going on? tomorrow final day. :)
[11:19] <jk^> "tomreyn"
[11:19] <tomreyn> jk^: click on this link https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/Epson-Stylus_SX130_Series-epson-driver.ppd , download it and then provide it on the cups webpage (localhost:631) by selecting the optiuon to provide a ppd file and browsing to where you saved it
[11:19] <jk^> i mean if there is a site where u got it
[11:21] <tomreyn> jk^: i downloaded it from http://www.openprinting.org/driver/epson-201101w , specifically http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/op/stable/debian/dists/lsb3.2/main/binary-amd64/epson-inkjet-printer-201101w_1.0.0-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb - this is a debian package (a ZIP file) , I extracted it and further extracted the PPD file for your printer from it.
[11:21] <JimBuntu> pelmenoid, if you mean 18.04 LTS... I think Beta 2 is scheduled to drop tomorrow and then final release on 26th
[11:21] <R13ose> tomreyn: if this will not change much why try?
[11:21] <jk^> _amd64.deb
[11:21] <jk^> i'm on 32bit
[11:22] <pelmenoid> JimBuntu, ok thanks.
[11:22] <tomreyn> R13ose: if it doesn't happen then you would know that the issue only occurs with specific linux versions.
[11:22] <tomreyn> jk^: PPD files are not architecture specific
[11:23] <jk^> ok
[11:23] <tomreyn> jk^: ignore my suggestion to use the ppd file, i had not reviewed it properly, it probably wont work out of the box.
[11:24] <jk^> tomreyn,
[11:24] <jk^> accidentally i found an URL
[11:24] <R13ose> tomreyn: how do I automatically install this without taking over other kernels?
[11:25] <jk^> which i didn't find before when i was using the EPSON official site... now i find it on this page
[11:25] <jk^> http://www.openprinting.org/driver/epson-201101w
[11:25] <tomreyn> jk^: instead, search and download drivers for your printer at http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/?OSC=LX and follow their instructions
[11:26] <jk^> the link is this: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/?OSC=LX
[11:26] <jk^> should it be useful?
[11:26] <tomreyn> R13ose: you cannot install it automatically.
[11:26] <jk^> it talks about "scanner" driver too, in fact, my printer is multifunction
[11:27] <R13ose> tomreyn: I need to do this manually?
[11:27] <tomreyn> R13ose: read the instructions ubottu provided to you
[11:27] <R13ose> Ok
[11:28] <jk^> tomreyn,
[11:28] <jk^> which file do i need to download?
[11:28] <tomreyn> jk^: what are your options?
[11:28] <jk^> excuse me
[11:29] <jk^> i supposed the other one is another version of driver
[11:29] <tomreyn> jk^: you went to http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/?OSC=LX , entered your printer model in the "enter product name" field and selected "Linux" as "operating system"?
[11:29] <jk^> epson-inkjet-printer-201101w-1.0.0-1lsb3.2.i486.rpm	1.44 MB	
[11:29] <jk^> epson-inkjet-printer-201101w_1.0.0-1lsb3.2_i386.deb	1.44 MB	
[11:29] <jk^> epson-inkjet-printer-201101w-1.0.0-1lsb3.2.x86_64.rpm	1.44 MB	
[11:29] <jk^> epson-inkjet-printer-201101w_1.0.0-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb	1.44 MB	
[11:29] <jk^> epson-inkjet-printer-201101w-1.0.0-1lsb3.2.src.rpm	1.97 MB	
[11:29] <jk^> ops
[11:30] <tomreyn> !paste | jk^
[11:31] <tomreyn> jk^: you can talk again now
[11:32] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/xzmjZezc
[11:32] <jk^> tomreyn,
[11:34] <tomreyn> jk^: what does this command, run in a temrnial window, output? uname -a
[11:34] <jk^> no, they are links
[11:34] <jk^> list of links
[11:35] <jk^> which should i choose?
[11:35] <tomreyn> jk^: i can tell you once you told me the output of the "uname -a" command
[11:35] <jk^> http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=16845&DSCCHK=8635efd23692815f4dd2901534b3427ab194d0d1
[11:36] <jk^> wait :| i dont' uderstand what do u want from me :(
[11:36] <jk^> i'm here tomreyn> jk^: you went to http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/?OSC=LX , entered your printer model in the "enter product name" field and selected "Linux" as "operating system"?
[11:36] <jk^> i search by name my printer
[11:36] <tomreyn> jk^: on your computer, there is a program called "temrinal", you should be able to select it from the ubuntu dash (the main menu of ubuntu)
[11:37] <tomreyn> correction: "terminal" (i had a typo)
[11:37] <JimBuntu> CTRL+ALT+T then `uname -a | nc termbin.com 9999`
[11:37] <jk^> i found the page of my printer
[11:37] <jk^> there are 3 items
[11:37] <jk^> driver for printer, driver for scanner and utility
[11:38] <tomreyn> jk^: we understand that you are on the page where the possible printer ddriver downloads are listed.
[11:38] <jk^> i'm trying to download all
[11:38] <jk^> http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=16845&DSCCHK=8635efd23692815f4dd2901534b3427ab194d0d1
[11:38] <jk^> http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=71624&DSCCHK=b1c5550f3fa107e18ee22f3357c563999e7a4baa
[11:38] <tomreyn> jk^: you are asking which one to download. we do not know until we know what the output of the "uname -a command" is on your computer. this is a command you need to run on your computer.
[11:39] <tomreyn> * "uname -a" command
[11:39] <jk^> what it deserves for?
[11:39] <tomreyn> jk^: okay, i give up.
[11:39] <jk^> ok
[11:39] <jk^> i type it in terminal
[11:40] <peter-bittner> Who can tell me where I need to report a bug with the Rocket Chat server(s), e.g. https://rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/snapcraft
[11:41] <jk^> Linux user-PT601ET-ABZ 4.13.0-37-generic #42~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 7 16:02:25 UTC 2018 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:41] <jk^> tomreyn,
[11:41] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: if that's a service you have access to as part of a contract closed with canonical, then i suggest youp contact the support contact you were provided by them. there is also #canonical
[11:42] <tomreyn> jk^: download epson-inkjet-printer-201101w-1.0.0-1lsb3.2.i486.rpm
[11:43] <tomreyn> jk^: i do not know whteher this driver will work for you, and cannot support it.
[11:43] <tomreyn> talk to epson if it doesn't
[11:43] <peter-bittner> tomreyn: No, I guess it's a public service, a community thing.
[11:44] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: oh ok, i'm not familiar with it. so do you need to report a bug in the software itself or just this implementation of the software on rocket.ubuntu,com ?
[11:45] <tomreyn> s/implementation/installation/
[11:45] <jk^> ok, why 486 and not 386? i'm used to install ever i386 basing on my 32bit system :\
[11:45] <tomreyn> jk^: sorry, the filename i provided was wrong, that's an RPM package, you need a DEB
[11:45] <jk^> tomreyn, ok
[11:45] <tomreyn> jk^: download this epson-inkjet-printer-201101w_1.0.0-1lsb3.2_i386.deb
[11:45] <jk^> i supposed it
[11:46] <peter-bittner> tomreyn: It's a configuration issue. The integration of login.ubuntu.com is broken. I would guess this is a concern of Canonical, isn't it?
[11:46] <jk^> because RPM (Red Hat Package Manager)
[11:46] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: yes probably, talk to the handler on duty in #canonical
[11:46] <jk^> i'm on lubuntu (Derivated from DEB ian
[11:47] <tomreyn> jk^: very thoughtful
[11:47] <Guest61610> hello just trying out this rasberry pi thing
[11:47] <jk^> are u ironic? :P
[11:47] <jk^> tomreyn
[11:47] <peter-bittner> Unfortunately, the #canonical channel is for internal use only. :-(
[11:47] <tomreyn> jk^: no. you are somewhat new to linux / ubuntu's under the hood details, so this was good thinking
[11:48] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: i'm in it (here on IRC) and i'm not internal
[11:48] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/xzmjZezc
[11:48] <jk^> which of this 2 deb?
[11:48] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: you may need to have your nickname registered
[11:48] <tomreyn> !register | peter-bittner
[11:49] <tomreyn> jk^: i told you before
[11:49] <jk^> u told me 486
[11:49] <jk^> :\
 jk^: download this epson-inkjet-printer-201101w_1.0.0-1lsb3.2_i386.deb
[11:50] <jk^> ops, i didn't read it :\ excuse me
[11:51] <tomreyn> jk^: no problem.
[11:54] <jk^> it shows me "It's avaiable the same version in a Software Channel" "It's reccomended to install software by the channell"
[11:54] <jk^> tomreyn,
[11:55] <tomreyn> jk^: please show the output / post a screenshot
[11:58] <peter-bittner> tomreyn: I've used the contact form on login.ubuntu.com > (Footer) > Support. I hope someone at Canonical will get notified to fix this.
[11:59] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l_4m5wOMZRJCPIzG116ovI48Ppm7kLq-
[11:59] <jk^> tomreyn,
[12:00] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: i have no means to tell. it might work, but you may have ultimately reached the wrong folkks this way. you reported it to the people who manage / run the SSO instance, but who really need to fix it is probably those who manage the chat server. it may be the same people, i would not know.
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:01] <jk^> it's in my language, but before i translated it for you
[12:01] <jk^> tomreyn,
[12:02] <tomreyn> jk^: you must have a non-official APT repository configured which provides a packaghe by the same name. that is all i can tell.
[12:03] <jk^> then? what i have to do? :\
[12:03] <tomreyn> jk^: a package named "epson-inkjet-printer-201101w" is not available in ubuntu's standard / official package sources.
[12:04] <jk^> mmmmh :\
[12:04] <tomreyn> jk^: but your system has it available from somewhere. so your system must be configured so that you can instll the package from another source. it is up to you which one you will use.
[12:04] <jk^> Maybe, it recognized it because before i tried to install the printer by "Preferences->Pringer->Add printer" and it looked for drivers? :\
[12:05] <tomreyn> jk^: if you run "sudo apt update; sudo apt-cache policy" and provide the output to a pastbein i can tell you more.
[12:05] <jk^> ok
[12:06] <jk^> why CTRL+V (for paste) doesnt' work in terminal? :-o
[12:06] <jk^> uff
[12:06] <jk^> :(
[12:06] <rud0lf> ctrl+shift+v
[12:06] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: sorry, i was wrong when i said you could access #canonical, i meant #canonical-sysadmin - apologies
[12:07] <jk^> rud0lf, but in the other part of system, it recognized "Ctrl+v" to paste :|
[12:07] <R13ose> tomreyn: I am now on 4.16.0 and still happening
[12:08] <Rar9> need help with and Database backup  (plesk+Ubuntu 16lts) .... I can do dump as DB is too big with LOCKED Tables... What do i need to change? do?
[12:08] <rud0lf> becasue terminal is special
[12:08] <jk^> k
[12:08] <jk^> ok
[12:08] <jk^> thanks
[12:08] <jk^> another thing learned about linux :\
[12:09] <tomreyn> R13ose: okay, it was worth a try. unless TJ could help you, i guess there's not much you can do other than replacing what seems to be faulty hardware. you could also try a different OS just to be sure.
[12:09] <jk^> it's a beautiful world, linux world, but so difficult :( too much command line methods :\ severl things to learn about use it :\
[12:09] <akik> jk^: it's because ctrl+c is interrupt in the terminal. i know it's a bit illogical that in firefox it's ctrl+c
[12:09] <jk^> for example, about installing a program
[12:09] <tomreyn> !terminal | jk^
[12:09] <rud0lf> it's never too much
[12:09] <R13ose> tomreyn: should I try bios and grub command line again?
[12:09] <tomreyn> jk^: take a look at the guide later on
[12:10] <rud0lf> you can also open terminal by Ctrl+Shift+T
[12:10] <tomreyn> R13ose: i don't know what you mean.
[12:10] <rud0lf> jk^: i suggest http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse/sort-by-votes
[12:10] <jk^> yes, tomreyn, i know where find terminal :) on lubuntu is called LXterminal
[12:10] <rud0lf> :)
[12:10] <jk^> the difficultis are to use it :)
[12:11] <rud0lf> to read some easier and memorise or write down
[12:11] <R13ose> tomreyn: should I see if + happens there?
 jk^: it's because ctrl+c is interrupt in the terminal. i know it's a bit illogical that in firefox it's ctrl+c
[12:11] <tomreyn> jk^: ...which is why i pointed you to the guide. you need to read more closely.
[12:11] <jk^> what means? :|
[12:11] <akik> jk^: you can break execution of things with ctrl+c
[12:12] <tomreyn> R13ose: oh, you tried this before, right? did it not happen there?
[12:12] <jk^> akik, then "Ctrl+c" in the Terminal is the same of "Cancel" during an operation? :\
[12:13] <R13ose> tomreyn: yes to both but should I try again?
[12:13] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/J9W7yJCD
[12:13] <tomreyn> R13ose: it wont have changed
[12:13] <bolovanos> hithere
[12:13] <tomreyn> R13ose: or did you make any changes to the bios or grub?
[12:13] <bolovanos> which mail package for unattended-upgrade mailing?
[12:13] <tomreyn> hi bolovanos
[12:14] <bolovanos>   s-nail 14.8.6-1
[12:14] <bolovanos>   mailutils 1:2.99.99-1ubuntu2
[12:14] <bolovanos>   bsd-mailx 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-2
[12:14] <R13ose> tomreyn: okay.  Not that I know of.
[12:14] <akik> jk^: cancel is used when the program offers you the choice. ctrl+c is chosen by the user when ever they wish
[12:15] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/HTVmfJ0k
[12:15] <tomreyn> R13ose: then i don't see a use in retrying it.
[12:15] <tomreyn> R13ose: i'd rather try a different OS instead.
[12:16] <R13ose> tomreyn: how?
[12:16] <tomreyn> R13ose: something that is not Linux. Such as a BSD variant or Windows.
 jk^: you can break execution of things with ctrl+c "Cancel" is used even when there is a progress bar, then whene there is an execution :|
[12:17] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/J9W7yJCD https://pastebin.com/raw/HTVmfJ0k i gave u in two times :\
[12:17] <jk^> tomreyn,
[12:17] <R13ose> tomreyn: I will try after JT helps me but I haven't talk to him lately
[12:18] <s10gopal> anyone interested in solving https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198665 ? it is bisect between 4.12 and 4.13-rc1
[12:19] <tomreyn> R13ose: well, we're all just volunteers.
[12:19] <R13ose> tomreyn: yep and you seem to not sleep
[12:19] <jk^> tomreyn, however i found it in synaptic 0.83
[12:20] <crazycoder> helo
[12:20] <crazycoder> i ha veplugged in an usb but it is not mounted
[12:20] <tomreyn> jk^: so you have an APT source configured which lets you install the package. you can install it using: sudo apt install epson-inkjet-printer-201101w
[12:20] <crazycoder> i see the device in lsusb
[12:20] <crazycoder> but using gnome i do not see the disk
[12:21] <tomreyn> jk^: you can also install it using synaptic. it is also possible that the package is already installed now.
[12:21] <jk^> so many packages about espos printers, not just mine :-o
[12:21] <jk^> i don't know why :\
[12:22] <tomreyn> jk^: the name of the package you need installed has not changed, though
[12:22] <R13ose> tomreyn: if I hold down shift, the +'s doesn't happen
[12:22] <tomreyn> jk^: it is still: epson-inkjet-printer-201101w
[12:23] <tomreyn> R13ose: i have no mean to work with this information.
[12:23] <tomreyn> *means
[12:24] <R13ose> tomreyn: okay. I will wait
[12:24] <jk^> ok, i just say that, because i wondered i found so much drivers of many different epson printers in my synapitc :\
[12:24] <jk^> i guess, i added it accidentally :\
[12:24] <jk^> but it's just a supposition
[12:28] <jk^> oh my God, another warning: Translation "U'r going to install a software which can't be authenticated. Continuing it should allow an ill-intention user to damage the system or take its control..." "Select the further requested modifications"
[12:29] <jk^> tomreyn
[12:29] <jk^> excuse for my english
[12:35] <tester> .docx is actually .zip. i need to edit something very specific inside without messing up the zip archive. i tried extracting and re-zipping but it screws it up.
[12:36] <tester> ideas what tool i can use to text-edit something inside a zip?
[12:37] <jk^> tomreyn, are u still here?
[12:37] <tester> i'd use 7zip on windows but apparently they dont have any nice gui stuff for linux
[12:37] <tomreyn> jk^: my theory is that the epson apt source (which now results in all the epson printers listed in synaptic) was configured on your computer when you first installed the printer driver .deb.
[12:38] <jk^> i never installed the printer driver .deb
[12:38] <jk^> :\
[12:38] <jk^> i stopped before installed it
[12:38] <tomreyn> jk^: about the warning you are seeing now: as the message indicates, there is a security risk in using this apt repository / apt source since it is does not comply with current security standards.
[12:39] <tomreyn> okay, my theory was wrong then, you must have installed it by other means.
[12:39] <ioria> jk^, dpkg -l | grep epson
[12:39] <jk^> before now, i just tried to install printer by "Main Menu->Preferences->Printer->Add printer" i tried that several time, but each time, the windows of process blocked itself, they stopped, when the progress bar is almost at the end
[12:40] <ioria> tester, you can try vim  file.zip   (idk if vim can open a .docx)
[12:40] <OS-23778> Where can I download the latest Ubuntu Kernel?
[12:40] <OS-23778> Will just the regular upstream linux kernel work?
[12:41] <tomreyn> OS-23778: what'S the purpose in downloading the latest kernel?
[12:41] <tester> ioria .docx is a zip archive with multiple files inside.
[12:41] <tomreyn> OS-23778: the upstream kernel will mostly work but some things, such as apparmor, may not.
[12:41] <ioria> tester,  vim  file.zip
[12:42] <ioria> sy
[12:42] <tester> ioria yeah, you get the archived stuff.. PKwhatever
[12:42] <ioria> tester,  vim  file.docx
[12:42] <tester> or are you saying vim can edit zip files.. uhm
[12:42] <tester> let me test
[12:42] <ioria> tester,  select a file an Enter again
[12:42] <tester> awesome
[12:43] <ioria> vim is good
[12:44] <tester> perfect
[12:44] <tester> thanks!
[12:44] <ioria> ok
 jk^: about the warning you are seeing now: as the message indicates, there is a security risk in using this apt repository / apt source since it is does not comply with current security standards.
[12:46] <jk^> then, should i continue or not?
[12:46] <jk^> tomreyn
[12:46] <tomreyn> jk^: that depends on whether you are willing to take the risk doing so poses.
[12:48] <jk^> mmmmhhhh... i don't know if there is a way to install the printer and the scanner without those risks :|
[12:48] <jk^> tomreyn,
[12:48] <jk^> ioria: i typed but nothing happens
[12:48] <jk^> user@user-PT601ET-ABZ:~$ dpkg -l | grep epson
[12:48] <jk^> user@user-PT601ET-ABZ:~$
[12:48] <jpe> Hi. I had some domains defined in my /etc/hosts file as specific IP addresses. Now I've removed them again but it is still using the IP that was defined rather than performing a DNS request. How can this be flushed?
[12:49] <ioria> jk^,  so you don't have any other pkg of that installed, i assume
[12:50] <jk^> installed maybe not, but in synaptic there are many and many of them of several different model of epson printers :\
[12:50] <jk^> i don't know why :\
[12:50] <tomreyn> jk^: from my point of view this risk is bearable, and since you do not have a good understanding of what happens in your computer yet it does not make much of a difference whether you will take this additional, but manageable risk.
[12:51] <tomreyn> jk^: but the final decision is yours to make, of course.
[12:51] <tomreyn> as always, read up on things, you will find many web sites discussing this topic when you do a web search, and you will be able to make a thoughtful decision.
[12:52] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gKfuCB_ibCU9oAtzZmfWObCqbuBXf6td
[12:52] <ioria> jk^, what ubuntu is that ? 16.04 ?
[12:53] <OS-23778> Ttomreyn I've got the Ryzen 2500u mobile chip. I saw the bug fixes for my random freezing issue involve rolling a new kernel with some patches built in. I'm currently on 4.15.15 from UKUU, but idk where it's pulling from.
[12:53] <tomreyn> ioria: 16.04.4 he said earlier
[12:53] <ioria> ok
[12:53] <ioria> jk^, you added a source, i gues
[12:53] <ioria> *s
[12:54] <tomreyn> jk^: the question why you get to see many epson packages in synaptic is easily explain when you look at the "sudo apt update" output you posted earlier: https://pastebin.com/raw/J9W7yJCD
[12:54] <ioria> yep,  http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/op/stable/debian
[12:54] <tomreyn> jk^: you have an apt (package) source configured from epson: download.ebz.epson.net
[12:55] <tomreyn> also to be seen here, in the "apt-cache policy" output you posted https://pastebin.com/raw/HTVmfJ0k
[12:56] <tomreyn> how it got configured on your system, we do not know
[12:56] <jpe> Nobody knows how to DNS cache flush? Googling only gives me results from 5+ years ago which no longer seem to work. In theory no cache flush should ever be needed but for some reason the DNS requests are still returning old values from /etc/hosts that were removed.
[12:57] <tomreyn> jpe: it may well depend onm your ubuntu release, so it's good to always provide this when asking questions. you can run "lsb_release -ds" to get the specific release version
[12:58] <jpe> tomreyn, 16.04.4
[12:58] <Joel> Anyone know of a way to monitor my horizontal and vertical sync signals?
[12:59] <tomreyn> ioria: ukuu pulls from "the Ubuntu mainline PPA" (which is a misnomer since it is not a PPA, but just some files in a non APT repository structure available for download via HTTP, but with additional GPG signatures).
[13:00] <tomreyn> ioria: sorry this wasnt meant for you
[13:00] <tomreyn> OS-23778: ukuu pulls from "the Ubuntu mainline PPA" (which is a misnomer since it is not a PPA, but just some files in a non APT repository structure available for download via HTTP, but with additional GPG signatures).
[13:01] <jk^> ok, tomreyn i just can tell you that i opened this file epson-printer-utility_1.0.2-1lsb3.2_i386.deb but i stopped when it told me the warning that before i reported you. Not the one about "Not authenticated software" but the other one ---->>> it shows me "It's avaiable the same version in a Software Channel" "It's reccomended to install software by the channel"
[13:04] <jk^> tomreyn, however if u tell me it's a right way/method, i can delete it from this list https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Chu_c_Jlp682i23t6kONpH_IBeZ25KGz
[13:04] <jk^> and install driver from package i downloaded before :\
[13:06] <tomreyn> Joel: systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[13:06] <jk^> i falled down
[13:07] <tomreyn> Joel: sorry this wasnt for you
[13:07] <tomreyn> jpe: systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[13:07] <jk^> tomreyn, do u read me?
[13:07] <tomreyn> jk^: yes, all of you, but it will take a while.
[13:08] <jk^> ok, i'll wait
[13:08] <jk^> :\
[13:08] <jk^> after all tries i hope i can resolve :(
[13:08] <jpe> tomreyn, hmm that didnt help
[13:09] <tomreyn> jpe: do you run nscd, then restart it, too
[13:10] <jpe> tomreyn, ohh apparently it was dnsmasq
[13:10] <jpe> I actually installed it as a tftp server but it's caching DNS as well I guess
[13:11] <learningc> Which compositor does ubuntu 17.10 use?
[13:12] <tomreyn> jk^: i think you are best served by installing the epson printer package, ignoring the security implications.
[13:13] <u0_a101> he
[13:13] <tomreyn> jpe: yes, restarting network manager would also restart dnsmasq, i believe
[13:14] <u0_a101> what is your name
[13:15] <u0_a101> hi
[13:15] <jk^> tomreyn, ok, but by synaptic? or by deb pacakage i donwloaded?
[13:15] <tomreyn> learningc: mutter, i would think, as a wayland compositor
[13:15] <tomreyn> !ot | u0_a101
[13:15] <tomreyn> jk^: synaptic or terminal, as i explained before
[13:16] <jk^> before, where? i guess i lost other your lines :(
[13:16] <tomreyn> !irclogs | jk^
[13:17] <u0_a101> what
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> u0_a101: this is the ubuntu support channel
[13:17] <learningc> tomreyn, Where can I find the exact mention?
[13:18] <tomreyn> learningc: i do not know
[13:18] <jk^> hexchat maintains still them, but i can't find when you talk me about install it by synaptic or terminal
[13:18] <jk^> tomreyn
[13:18] <tomreyn> learningc: i just glanced over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutter_(software)
[13:18] <learningc> tomreyn, How can I query it's mutter?
[13:19] <tomreyn> learningc: i still do not know.
[13:19] <tomreyn> jk^: <tomreyn> jk^: so you have an APT source configured which lets you install the package. you can install it using: sudo apt install epson-inkjet-printer-201101w
[13:19] <tomreyn> jk^: so the name of the package you may want to install is: epson-inkjet-printer-201101w
[13:20] <u0_a101> what in indonesia
[13:21] <tomreyn> u0_a101: unless you have an ubuntu support question, please chat in #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere instead. thank you.
[13:23] <tomreyn> jk^: i recommend you read a bit on help.ubuntu.com to get into the basic concepts of how to configure and administrate your ubuntu system.
[13:29] <jk^> ok tomreyn
[13:30] <jk^> Actually, i already did that in many guides, but the tecnical language is difficult for me
[13:30] <jk^> i reboot
[13:37] <Gargravarr> hey all, on Launchpad trying to log into the bug tracker, is there any reason my Ubuntu One account isn't being accepted and i'm being told to 'Go away' for being a 'Bad bot'?
[13:39] <Gargravarr> this is on Firefox with zero plugins and default security settings
[13:39] <Rar9> hi I need help with a DB Drump error -- Db is too large & Tables are locked...
[13:39] <Rar9> mysqldump: Got error: 23: Out of resources when opening file
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> Rar9: you might wanna see a more specific mysql channel for that question perhaps
[13:42] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: what is your user agent? http://whatsmyuseragent.org/
[13:42]  * Gargravarr nearly pastes his password into the channel trying to copy that link...
[13:43] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0
[13:44] <kostkon> Gargravarr, have you disabled fingerprinting in firefox?
[13:44] <Gargravarr> kostkon: not to my knowledge, this is a fresh install with all defaults
[13:45] <kostkon> Gargravarr, ok
[13:46] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: i got the same and can login. so i assume it may be about your ip address. you can try getting help in #ubuntuone
[13:46] <guiverc> Gargravarr shared internet? (ie. college dorm, free internet somewhere etc)
[13:46] <Gargravarr> guiverc: office LAN, shared with 2 other companies
[13:47] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: by "i got the same" i mean that my preferred web browser sends the same user agent as yours.
[13:47] <Gargravarr> (externally; internally we're VLAN'd)
[13:48] <Gargravarr> i'll try #ubuntuone
[13:48] <guiverc> Gargravarr, should be fine - by shared I was thinking of hackers piling on giving the external IP address a bad name...
[13:49] <arman_> hi :?
[13:50] <tomreyn> arman_: hi, welcome to the ubuntu support channel
[13:52] <Gargravarr> guiverc: tomreyn: i just tried Chrome and it worked, within the same LAN
[13:52] <Gargravarr> so it seems to be something Firefox-related
[13:53] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: nothing i could do about it. good luck.
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> Gargravarr: you could try launch firefox from terminal so see if you get errors there?
[13:53] <Gargravarr> thanks for the suggestion
[13:53] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> Gargravarr: wich FF version are you on?
[13:54] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: his UA is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx
[13:54] <Gargravarr> ah, so lotuspsychje's suggestion made me check the console
[13:55] <Gargravarr> i get a JS error after trying to log in
[13:55] <Gargravarr> it looks not unlike some bad JS being generated server-side
[13:56] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: did you spot this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/650544/login-launchpad-net-tells-me-bad-bot-go-away-request-aborted
[13:57] <Gargravarr> Lastpass?!
[13:57] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: but then you said "it's a fresh install with all defaults" so i guess you cannot have a password manager or non-default bbrowser add-ons installed.
[13:58] <Gargravarr> oh for crying out loud... okay, when i said zero plugins, i left out Lastpass because i didn't think it could affect this
[13:58] <Gargravarr> yes, fine, standard luser mistake right there :)
[14:00] <Gargravarr> oh, very funny
[14:01] <Gargravarr> page source: <div style="display: none;"><label>Leave this field blank to prove your humanity<input type="text" name="openid.usernamesecret" value="" /></label>
[14:01] <Gargravarr> and of course Lastpass drops a value in that
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> Gargravarr: so its fixxed?
[14:02] <Gargravarr> not exactly, i need to do the whole reset-cache dance with it
[14:09] <bloha> hello
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> bloha: welcome, how can we help you?
[14:11] <MrCracPotBuilde> how would i check if my sound card on my laptop can split the audio between headphones and internal speakers
[14:11] <MrCracPotBuilde> i managed to get all audio to play through both but im unable to get say one firefox window to open in headphones and another on the internal speakers
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> !sound | MrCracPotBuilde start here
[14:12] <MrCracPotBuilde> that was the first place i tried
[14:13] <MrCracPotBuilde> i used alsamixer to be able to stop the auto mute on detection
[14:14] <MrCracPotBuilde> then when i open system sound settings which is using pulseaudio i can switch between headphones and speakers even if the headphones are plugged in. however the label unplugged still remains on the internal speakers when the headphones are plugged in. The sound still comes through both though
[14:15] <MrCracPotBuilde> its selecting an individual application and saying ok you are needed in the audio and jack and another firefox window is needed in the internal
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> MrCracPotBuilde, check out this article. https://askubuntu.com/questions/534777/how-can-i-play-simulteanously-two-different-audio-using-headphones-for-one-and-i
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> !info paman | MrCracPotBuilde or jack
[14:16] <MrCracPotBuilde> pragmaticenigma thanks i used this to be able to disable the auto play
[14:16] <MrCracPotBuilde> mute sorry
[14:16] <cvdd43> غis there any girl here
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> cvdd43, This is a support channel for Ubuntu related questions. Please see room topic
[14:17] <MrCracPotBuilde> but i dont have the independant fader option
[14:17] <MrCracPotBuilde> is there a way to install it
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> MrCracPotBuilde, If those instructions don't get you the desired output, then I would surmise that the audio card does not support two simultanious discrete outputs
[14:18] <Cheez> does anyone know off of the top of their head a program that you can use similar to time, except instead of running the argument and then echoing the time taken to stdout, prefixes all of the subcommands stdout with the current date and time?
[14:19] <MrCracPotBuilde> hmmm what if i was to write a small python or C++ application as right now i have audio playing through both
[14:19] <Cheez> i mean i can write one easily enough, just thought i would check if anyone knows of one first, google doesn't seem to be giving me much
[14:19] <MrCracPotBuilde> so simultanious is deffinately available but independant simultanius seems to not
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> Cheez, check out https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26728/prepending-a-timestamp-to-each-line-of-output-from-a-command
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> MrCracPotBuilde, that would be my interpretation. What you are seeking usually requires a sound card that handles Mixing on chip. I've only ever seen that on High End sound cards. What you can do is pick up a cheap USB Audio Card which will achieve the same goal
[14:22] <Gargravarr> Cheez: i've used the awk approach in the link pragmaticenigma posted, can recommend
[14:22] <Cheez> pragmaticenigma: i'm confused by that ts, but i may have massively misunderstood something about my shell. I thought that it executed command, then once finished all of the stdout was piped to ts. Is it more granular than that, does it pipe in real time?
[14:23] <Gargravarr> the awk approach will work in real-time (from what i remember), so long as the pipes are connected
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> Cheez, I am not aware of any utility that will do that in realtime
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> !ts
[14:23] <Gargravarr> i'm pretty sure i ran it in this manner when i used it
[14:24] <Cheez> ill have a play, thanks :)
[14:24] <Cheez> if not, i'll just knock something up in go to do it for me :p
[14:25] <TJ-> Cheez: there is such a tool (well, a shell pipeline ) but I cannot remember where I saw it
[14:27] <asy97> `åÁÐWkK2SvSnê0÷W3¨ùÍeøDxæÔViyÈøPyqxðOÀÍ
[14:28] <Cheez> TJ-: the gnomon one in that stack overflow thread pragmaticenigma linked seems interesting, shame it's in node and i don't have that installed on any of my machines, but it's pretty much exactly what i was after
[14:30] <Gargravarr> asy97 providing your daily test of UTF-8
[14:30] <TJ-> Cheez: I'd have a leg chopped off rather than deploy node for something like this! Give me 10 minutes I could generate a shell pipeline!
[14:31] <rud0lf> cat /dev/random | irssi
[14:31] <rud0lf> :)
[14:31] <Cheez> lol, dont worry i wasn't planning on deploying node any time soon :)
[14:31] <Gargravarr> deploying node for prefixing timestamps would be like buying a bus to listen to the radio
[14:32] <Cheez> lol
[14:34] <TJ-> Cheez: pipe something into this does it (you can play with dateformat if you want human readable) " somecommand | awk '{print systime(), $0}'    "
[14:35] <TJ-> Cheez: it depends on whether the source does line buffering or not of course
[14:35] <JimBuntu> TJ-, That's perfectly human readable to me
[14:35] <Gargravarr> JimBuntu is right, it needs a lot more spghetti code
[14:36] <Cheez> hmm, for some reason i don't have gawk so systime() doesn't work
[14:36] <Cheez> it's mawk which doesn't appear to define systime()
[14:36] <rukshana> ping
[14:38] <TJ-> Cheez: gawk is the default set by update-alternatives on my systems. Not sure if that's the Ubuntu default or if I changed it
[14:40] <Cheez> yeah seems ubuntu defaults to mawk but update-alternatives will prefer gawk if you install it.
[14:41] <blinder> Hello All
[14:41] <Cheez> but thanks TJ-, that's pretty much exactly what i needed :D
[14:41] <blinder> Have a problem with a new ubuntu installation (16.04) at home.
[14:41] <TJ-> Cheez: ahhh, it's so long since I installed I had forgotten mawk and awk are different packages even
[14:42] <BillD73> !ask | blinder
[14:42] <BillD73> !paste
[14:43] <blinder> I installed it last night but at installation it told me that low graphics problem, I searched n google and found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/141606/how-to-fix-the-system-is-running-in-low-graphics-mode-error but it didnt work because I had no wifi and all the commands they suggested were not working. The I searched again and  found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/461825/how-to-connect-to-wifi-from-the-command-line but 
[14:44] <blinder> My question is did i mess up with hardware installation or bad ubuntu image
[14:44] <blinder> I have a nvidia GPU if that helps any
[14:45] <BillD73> !nvidia
[14:45] <TJ-> Cheez: this is probably more readable if you don't mind only seconds resolution | awk '{print strftime("%T"), $0}'
[14:45] <BillD73> blinder: highly unlikely if you managed to complete an install that you have a "bad image"
[14:45] <Cheez> yeah i'm using strftime now :)
[14:46] <skinux> I need better file manager. The one I'm using has zero search ability it seems, it's either THunar or Nautilus
[14:46] <BillD73> blinder: first thing you should probably solve is why your wifi isnt conencting.
[14:46] <Cheez> been years since i last used awk lol
[14:46] <blinder> I tried
[14:46] <blinder> I used the link listed above and none of those commands work
[14:46] <blinder> I have some exposure to redhat
[14:47] <TJ-> Cheez: I had a baptism of fire using it around 2007 to do some complex ACPI tables analysis and rewrite
[14:47] <blinder> i tried to get into /etc/syconfg/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
[14:47] <TJ-> Cheez: since then I've loved it
[14:47] <blinder> thats how I configured internet in that
[14:47] <blinder> but here the /etc/networks/eth0
[14:47] <blinder> is totally different
[14:48] <ioria> blinder, you don't need /etc/network/interface on a desktop install
[14:48] <Cheez> hmm, just realised 18.04 is this month, woo
[14:49] <blinder> It is a desktop install but I cannot log in desktop because of the low graphics thing
[14:49] <blinder> it just freezes on me
[14:49] <ioria> blinder, you probably need nvidia drivers
[14:49] <blinder> I know after the low graphics error I got like 4 options and each would freeze
[14:49] <blinder> yea again I do
[14:49] <blinder> and I dont have wifi either
[14:50] <blinder> no internet
[14:50] <blinder> because getting ethernet cable is not an option
[14:50] <ioria> blinder, why ?
[14:50] <blinder> I mean I have wifi sorry but ethernet cable is not an option
[14:50] <BillD73> blinder: to list avail wifi SSID      nmcli d wifi list
[14:51] <blinder> i did taht
[14:51] <ioria> blinder, whyit's not an option ?
[14:51] <blinder> It was in the link
[14:51] <blinder> I tried this
[14:51] <blinder> https://askubuntu.com/questions/461825/how-to-connect-to-wifi-from-the-command-line
[14:51] <blinder> nmcli d wifi list this does not work
[14:52] <blinder> returns blank
[14:52] <TJ-> blinder: here's a nicer way: "nmtui"
[14:52] <TJ-> it's the console version of a GUI
[14:52] <blinder> sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning this does not work either
[14:52] <ioria> blinder,  you can't do much without connection   (about graphics you can try the 'nomodeset' parameter')
[14:52] <blinder> oo yea I have to try that
[14:52] <blinder> nmtui I havent tried I thought it was redhat only
[14:52] <blinder> ok will try that
[14:54] <BillD73> blinder: I jsut ran through the reply for command line and they indeed did work for my 16.04
[14:54] <blinder> hmm
[14:55] <anexit> Hey all, I didn't check the install third party software, OS is installed.. anyway I can get that back?
[14:55] <blinder> I am not infront of the box right now so will have to do it later
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras | anexit
[14:55] <ioria> blinder, btw, NM starts before xorg
[14:55] <blinder> also how do u run this command :   nmcli d connect <WifiInterface>
[14:55] <blinder> is it nmcli d connect <Wifname>
[14:56] <blinder> or   nmcli d connect <"Wifiname">
[14:56] <blinder> or nmcli d connect Wifiname
[14:58] <anexit> ubottu: where do I find that?  I also get some failed software on boot up
[14:58] <anexit> Ok
[14:59] <BillD73> blinder: <WifiInterface> would be simialiar to wlp2s0 which you can get from ifconfig
[15:01] <blinder> BillD73: Could you elaborate a little more?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> anexit: from a terminal: sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:04] <BillD73> blinder: to find the name of you <WifiInterface> in a terminal you would type ifconfig -a   wl... wireless  en... ethernet
[15:06] <TJ-> blinder: BillD73: a better command would be "iwconfig" since it is specifically for wireless only
[15:08] <BillD73> TJ-: yes, but if ifconfig -a doesn't return a wl... it would suggest that maybe the module for their wireless  was not loaded whether configured wrong or not?
[15:09] <TJ-> BillD73: same with iwconfig ... it wouldn't report an interface. Best command to identify the hardware + driver is "lspci -nnk -d ::0280" (0x0280 is the PCI device class for wireless devices)
[15:10] <BillD73> TJ-: wish there was a thumbs up lol
[15:14] <arthur_> Does anyone have a link that shows how to format a USB via the Terminal? I have Googled and I am getting out-of-date info. Thanks. I am running Ubuntu 16.04
[15:14] <nacc> arthur_: format in what sense? fdisk?
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> !usb | arthur_
[15:14] <TJ-> arthur_: generally you'd first format the device, then format individual partitions with a file-system
[15:15] <arthur_> Thanks everyone. I will take a look at the links now. cheers.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> arthur_: parted/gparted very handy to format also
[15:19] <pasquale> ciao a tutti
[15:22] <arthur_> Thanks Lotuspsychje
[15:43] <anexit> Okay, so everything works well but it looks like the wifi driver in this HP pavilion 24-a210 doesn't work
[15:45] <yellabs-r2> is there any change that ubuntu will be on an tablet again ( or phone ) , or is this "history"...
[15:49] <Gargravarr> yellabs-r2: 18.04 actually works fantastically on SUrface-esque hardware
[15:51] <R13ose> TJ-: hi, I am around for the next hour
[15:51] <Gargravarr> yellabs-r2: i installed the alpha on an Acer Aspire Switch. UI suits touch very well, and all the hardware worked out of the box
[15:51] <yellabs-r2> cool
[15:51] <yellabs-r2> ;)
[15:52] <blinder> This channel is very helpful thank you. Not that my problem is solved yet but thank you for all the help. Will it be equally helpful in 5-6 hrs from now?
[15:53] <Gargravarr> anexit: what card is it?
[15:54] <R13ose> blinder: what is the issue?
[15:56] <blinder> the issue is bad lol
[15:56] <blinder> installed ubuntu 16.04 on a brand new computer
[15:56] <blinder> with usb burned with rufus. After the first reboot it says "low graphics" so I consulted this https://askubuntu.com/questions/141606/how-to-fix-the-system-is-running-in-low-graphics-mode-error
[15:57] <blinder> but then I realized I do not have internet. I can't get ether net in my room and I can't configure wifi
[15:58] <R13ose> blinder: why can't you configure wifi?
[15:58] <blinder> so after that I used this link https://askubuntu.com/questions/461825/how-to-connect-to-wifi-from-the-command-line
[15:58] <blinder> and still nothing
[15:58] <blinder> i dont see any networks
[15:58] <blinder> when I do nmcli d
[15:58] <blinder> or any of the other commands
[15:59] <blinder> I was wondering if there is a device I have to mount or module that needs to be installed
[15:59] <blinder> also at work right now so dont have accesss to the box
[15:59] <TJ-> blinder: does the PC have any network access?
[16:00] <R13ose> blinder: maybe this can help: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92799/connecting-to-wifi-network-through-command-line
[16:00] <Gargravarr> first question, does the wifi card show up in `lspci`
[16:00] <R13ose> TJ-: hi, do you want to try and fix my issue again?
[16:00] <TJ-> R13ose: what issue is that?
[16:00] <BillD73> he cant check any of it he's not at PC
[16:01] <R13ose> TJ-: the repeating + signs
[16:01] <blinder> yea sorry I tried it last night I will go home and do it again today. Dont wanna shell out $120 for windows
[16:01] <TJ-> R13ose: oh, the possible i8042 problem?
[16:01] <blinder> also the thing is i have gpu idk why it says low graphics
[16:01] <Natkeeran> /join#islandora
[16:01] <blinder> If only i could have been able to go to the desktop client this would have been much easier
[16:02] <R13ose> TJ-: yes
[16:02] <Gargravarr> blinder: if it's a nVidia or AMD GPU, they generally require extra drivers after install to enable hardware acceleration
[16:02] <BillD73> blinder: you said it all a "new computer"  there are bound to be hiccups   someone will be around to happily help
[16:02] <R13ose> blinder: are you stuck in command line?
[16:02] <TJ-> blinder: it's possible the Wifi device requires a firmware file loading into it. Usually those would be included in Ubuntu /lib/firmware/ but if it is a Broadcom chipset then we can't distribute those, so you have to use some tools to get them yourself. However, you can check what the device is with "lspci -nnk -d :0280"
[16:03] <Gargravarr> ^ if it's what TJ- suggests, you will likely need to plug into an internet connection with ethernet
[16:04] <R13ose> TJ-: what should we test out?  I am only here till top of hour.
[16:06] <TJ-> R13ose: There's two other options to test in place of the 1 you've already tested: "i8042.kbdreset" and "i8042.nomux" - test 1 at a time. Replace the existing option in /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT with a text editor (e.g. sudo nano /etc/default/grub ) then do "update-grub" and reboot to test it
[16:10] <TJ-> blinder: to check if proprietary GPU drivers are installed, and could be causing a problem, you can use "ubuntu-drivers list"
[16:11] <TJ-> R13ose: you can find other options to try in the i8042 section at https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[16:14] <R13ose> TJ-: the option was i8042.nomux so I changed that with the other option you suggested.
[16:18] <R13ose> TJ-: still t
[16:19] <R13ose> happening*
[16:21] <TJ-> R13ose: if those don't solve it replace with "i8042.debug" and let's see if the kernel reports anything interesting via "dmesg"
[16:21] <R13ose> TJ-: trying
[16:23] <TJ-> R13ose: oh! just read the source code, you need to use "i8042.nomux=1" and "i8042.kbdreset=1" to disable them (they are boolean)
[16:24] <R13ose> TJ-: oh let me try one at a time then
[16:24] <TJ-> R13ose: the web-page for the kernel admin guide lacks that critical information!
[16:25] <R13ose> TJ-: do you still want to see dmesg?
[16:27] <TJ-> R13ose: not until you've retested with those =1 options, only need to see dmesg when you've failed on those and added "i8042.debug=1"
[16:27] <R13ose> TJ-: trying now
[16:36] <dsuch> Hello, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS with kernel 4.4.0-1049-aws and I'm having difficulties with using keyctl / kernel keyrings, as in the pastebin here: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9082221
[16:36] <dsuch> In particular, I can add keys but Permission denied is returned if I try to read it back. There are some vague references to systemd bugs in the Internet but then again, this error message is so generic that I'm not sure if any of it is applicable.
[16:36] <dsuch> Has anyone perhaps spotted anything like it before? Alternatively, can someone on 16.04 tell me what the result is for him or her and what the kernel version he or she is using? Thanks.
[16:37] <blinder> Gargravarr its a nvidia titan xp I was going to install the gpu packet from the link but no internet
[16:37] <R13ose> TJ-: here is dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BRdFGjh5DJ/
[16:39] <__bigg> can you do vnc & file server in raspberry pi ubuntu
[16:39] <dsuch> __bigg: That sounded like a challenge to a duel :)
[16:40] <__bigg> not challenge, a want
[16:42] <TJ-> R13ose: I'm not quite sure what to expect when using .debug=1 but I suspect what we're seeing there is the i8042 generating spurious interrupts - I wouldn't expect to see all those interrupts unless you were typing or moving the mouse
[16:42] <R13ose> TJ-: what to do?
[16:43] <dsuch> __bigg: I know, I was just pointing out the lack of manners.
[16:44] <__bigg> sorry dsuch, been a while since irc
[16:44] <TJ-> R13ose: Not clear right now. I'm beginning to think you've got a hardware fault. I cannot find any other reports of the same behaviour.
[16:44] <R13ose> TJ-: my computer is broken
[16:47] <TJ-> R13ose: it seems adding "i8042.unmask_kbd_data=1"  *in addition to* the .debug=1 will report what is in those interrupt packets. Add that, reboot, pastebin the dmesg again
[16:48] <R13ose> TJ-: okay.
[16:51] <jluc> Hello
[16:51] <R13ose> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H4njd9Q8NF/
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> jluc, Hello, do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[16:52] <jluc> is there a good alternative to nautilus-action http://www.nautilus-actions.org/ for recent ubuntus ?
[16:52] <R13ose> TJ-: I have to go in 5 mins
[16:53] <jluc> or rather : what alternative is there to nautilus-action to add context menus to nautilus without going into deep coding ?
[16:53] <yellabs-r2> bye bye
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> jluc, there are none that I'm aware of... nautilus-actions is listed as the recommeded nautilus plugin for adding context menu items
[16:54] <TJ-> R13ose: oK, can you also pastebin "cat /proc/interrupts"
[16:55] <jluc> ok thanks pragmaticenigma
[16:55] <R13ose> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zHMr6kbsjZ/
[16:55] <R13ose> TJ-: 5 more mins max and I really have to go
[16:57] <TJ-> R13ose: the dmesg shows it's getting 0x4e (decimal 78) which I'm going to assume is the key-code for the "+" so that proves the hardware is sending it repeatedly. Looks definitely like a keyboard problem when it's in interrupt mode.
[16:58] <R13ose> TJ-: so I need a new computer?
[16:58] <TJ-> R13ose: It could be on IO-APIC issue (Interrupt controller) though, which we can explore next time
[16:59] <TJ-> R13ose: IO-APIC is Input/Output Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller.  Problem there would make sense
[16:59] <R13ose> TJ-: thanks for the help so far.  My computer is broken so I do want to get a tablet
[16:59] <jluc> oh i read here https://github.com/GNOME/nautilus-actions that it is deprecated in favor of  filemanager-actions https://git.gnome.org//browse/filemanager-actions
[17:00] <tixmy> quit
[17:00] <R13ose> TJ-: what if there is a problem there?  That means, hardware problem?
[17:00] <TJ-> R13ose: so, I think we may be able to find a solution with more testing of more kernel options in another session
[17:00] <TJ-> R13ose: /proc/interrupts shows 10616  interrupts already on CPU-3 from the  i8042
[17:00] <R13ose> TJ-: I have to go bye for now.
[17:00] <TJ-> R13ose: it could be a BIOS setup config problem - for the APIC
[17:01] <R13ose> TJ-: talk later
[17:01] <tixmy> hello, can i get some help on how to get bluetooth working
[17:02] <tixmy> *using linux lite
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> tixmy, We cannot support Linux Lite here, this is for Ubuntu only
[17:03] <tixmy> but lite is ubuntu based
[17:03] <R13ose> No
[17:03] <tixmy> wher can i go then?
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> tixmy, While linux lite may have started with Ubuntu, it's configured differently than Ubuntu and we cannot support that. For help please see their website https://www.linuxliteos.com/
[17:04] <tixmy> tnx anyway
[17:07] <__bigg> may have it wrong, but for a light version of linux, how about puppy
[17:08] <dsuch> Well, in case anyone was wondering about that keyctl thing, here is the explanation, i.e. sudo does not create login sessions and keyrings get mixed up https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/37333.html
[17:13] <nacc> dsuch: you can tell sudo to login
[17:15] <vmware_user> I see linux-4.13.0-38 in the repos but the newest I have is -31 even though I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:15] <vmware_user> any ideas?
[17:15] <tomreyn> vmware_user: what's the output of "sudo apt update; apt-cache policy"?
[17:15] <vmware_user> (linux-image-4.13.0-38-generic to be exact)
[17:16] <vmware_user> one sec!
[17:16] <tomreyn> !paste | vmware_user
[17:17] <vmware_user> well I always do apt-get update before a dist-upgrade so that was the same as normal
[17:17] <vmware_user> no failures
[17:18] <srgjames> I could use some help hopefully it will be easy for someone . I installed Postfix about a week ago and now my email inbox is getting FLOODED with Cron <roo@WebServer> Node /var/www/example/file.js and then Error cannot find module
[17:18] <srgjames> I have looked in Crontab
[17:18] <srgjames> and cant find anything on where the error is comming from
[17:19] <nacc> srgjames: it may not be in crontab, but the /etc/cron.* directories
[17:19] <vmware_user> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BHXnzkBDmp/
[17:19] <srgjames> nacc checked those =(
[17:19] <srgjames> and nothing
[17:19] <nacc> vmware_user: apt-cache policy linux-image-generic
[17:20] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic artful
[17:20] <nacc> vmware_user: you also don't need sudo for apt-cache
[17:20] <tomreyn> vmware_user: what'S the output of: dpkg -l linux-image\*
[17:21] <vmware_user> hang on!
[17:22] <tomreyn> vmware_user: you have plenty of 3rd party apt sources configured, of mixed distributions. make sure you use only apt sources for compatible distributions.
[17:22] <tomreyn> e.g. you probably don't want the zesty virtualbox packages
[17:23] <vmware_user> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nBHkY6z8XD/
[17:24] <vmware_user> tomreyn: are you suggesting that a kernel can get blocked by 3rd party applications? No wonder people keep telling me to use CentOS!
[17:24] <pos> the 4.13.0-38 kernel breaks in-gnome NetworkManager for wired nics
[17:24] <nacc> vmware_user: you are not using the correct metapackge
[17:24] <vmware_user> so some 3rd party app can stop a kernel from installing
[17:24] <nacc> vmware_user: which means you manually removed it
[17:24] <vmware_user> wow
[17:24] <vmware_user> okay
[17:24] <nacc> vmware_user: if you installed it, it would work fine
[17:24] <srgjames> I just found that past commands are saved to ~/.bash._History where is this located >
[17:24] <vmware_user> what meta package should I have
[17:24] <nacc> vmware_user: sudo apt install linux-image-generic
[17:24] <vmware_user> ok
[17:24] <vmware_user> 1 sec
[17:24] <vmware_user> a friend was helping me maybe he did that.
[17:24] <vmware_user> one sec
[17:24] <BillD73> srgjames: users home dir
[17:25] <nacc> not much of a friend, vmware_user :)
[17:25] <nacc> vmware_user: and yes, your sources are a mess
[17:25] <tomreyn> vmware_user: i wasn't suggesting this, but this could happen, yes. it does not matter so much which distro you use as long as you follow the guidelines or make know you know the implications when you deviate from them.
[17:25] <vmware_user> linux image generic is now installed
[17:25] <nacc> vmware_user: and yes, adding 3rd party repositories, give those repositories root on your system, which means they can do anything, in theory
[17:25] <vmware_user> so I need to get rid of all those 3rd party apps?
[17:25] <nacc> vmware_user: but in particular they can cause dependencies to be held back
[17:26] <nacc> vmware_user: in this specific case, you just had a misconfigured system
[17:26] <tomreyn> vmware_user: "cat /proc/version" is next
[17:26] <vmware_user> must be the microsoft stuff I added
[17:26] <nacc> vmware_user: can you pastebin the apt-cache policy again
[17:26] <vmware_user> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nBHkY6z8XD/
[17:26] <nacc> vmware_user: not the exact same paste again
[17:26] <nacc> vmware_user: run it again and paste the new output.
[17:27] <vmware_user> nacc: oh
[17:27] <vmware_user> nacc: one sec
[17:28] <srgjames> BillD73 ty oh god 6k lines to go through
 vmware_user: "cat /proc/version" is next
[17:29] <nacc> tomreyn: why is that necessary?
[17:29] <BillD73> srgjames: yeah it can get pretty large
[17:29] <tomreyn> nacc: i'd like to confirm which kernel version is actually running
[17:29] <nacc> tomreyn: ah ok
[17:29] <tomreyn> nacc: (and maybe its origin, too)
[17:30] <vmware_user> Linux version 4.13.0-31-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-015) (gcc version 7.2.0 (Ubuntu 7.2.0-8ubuntu3)) #34-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 19 16:34:46 UTC 2018
[17:30] <nacc> tomreyn: right, that's a good point, i think they were just manaully on some artful kernel
[17:30] <nacc> tomreyn: and without the metapackage it will never upgrade beyond that minor revision -31
[17:30] <tomreyn> right
[17:31] <dabomb> how to check ubuntu edition on terminal when running a live cd?
[17:31] <nacc> dabomb: lsb_release -sd
[17:32] <tomreyn> vmware_user: you or someone else with root access on this system must have removed the metapackage tracking kernelupdates. you can reinstall it: sudo apt install linux-image-generic
[17:32] <vmware_user> so I am adding to my ansible script to make sure the metapackage is always installed!
[17:32] <dabomb> nacc, lbs command not found
[17:32] <nacc> dabomb: well that's not what I said to run.
[17:33] <tomreyn> dabomb: lSB
[17:33] <dabomb> i already tried that
[17:33] <nacc> dabomb: so first, read it again :)
[17:33] <nacc> dabomb: and it's not 'lsb', it's 'lsb_release'
[17:33] <nacc> (with an underscore)
[17:33] <dabomb> "No LSB modules are available."
[17:33] <dabomb> now what?
[17:33] <nacc> dabomb: ... with -sd?
[17:34] <vmware_user> reinstalled and 38.41 was installed due to that
[17:34] <nacc> dabomb: seriously, i gave you an exact command to run
[17:34] <dabomb> nacc i found it
[17:34] <dabomb> thank you
[17:34] <tomreyn> vmware_user: boot into it, then you can remove the old ones (or wait for them to be automatically removed)
[17:35] <vmware_user> I cannot reboot right now, but yes, then I can run autoremove and only the current and previous one will remain, I know
[17:35] <dabomb> so if it says i am on "Ubuntu 17.10" is that really 17.10 or is it 17.10.1?
[17:35] <dabomb> are micro updates listed with this command?
[17:36] <xbleez> .
[17:36] <nacc> dabomb: 17.10.1 was jut a respin of the ISO
[17:36] <vmware_user> I have 17.10.1 and it says 17.10
[17:36] <dabomb> i think i downloaded 17.10.1 but am not sure
[17:36] <nacc> vmware_user: right, it wasn't an actual dotrelease
[17:36] <dabomb> ok
[17:36] <nacc> dabomb: --^
[17:36] <nacc> vmware_user: sorry
[17:36] <dabomb> thank you nacc and vmware_user
[17:37] <nacc> dabomb: yw
[17:37] <xbleez> .
[17:37] <nacc> xbleez: please stop that.
[17:37] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: where did you see 17.10?
[17:37] <vmware_user> asd
[17:38] <vmware_user> "/etc/lsb_release"
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: then thats the version of your ubuntu
[17:38] <vmware_user> wwops "dash" not underscore
[17:38] <vmware_user> "/etc/lsb-release"
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: if it says 17.10.1, then thats correct
[17:38] <vmware_user> no, no, I installed off of 17.10.1 FOR SURE and it says 17.10
[17:39] <xbleez> Hi, I could not find X driver *xserver-xorg-video-s3* that matches xorg-video-abi-20, the only one i've found is for 14.0 (trusty) and depends on xorg-video-abi-15 ... Need one for version ubuntu 16.0 (xenial) and above with xorg-video-abi-20 . I'm asking if they changed the package name to *xserver-xorg-something* because I cannot find it ... ?
[17:39] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: If you see a discrepancy, then it could be that the installation didn't complete fully or there is a bug
[17:40] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: did the upgrade/install finish without errors?
[17:40] <vmware_user> I don't know about a bug but the installation finished with ZERO errors
[17:40] <srgjames> DAMIT NO Luck
[17:40] <vmware_user> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade today
[17:40] <vmware_user> it is totally up to snuff
[17:40] <vmware_user> (except the metapackage being missing which is now fixed)
[17:40] <xbleez> .
[17:41] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: I did a direct install of 17.10.1 with no errors
[17:42] <phoenix_firebrd> xbleez: there is a way to find the new package name of the old package if it exists. You should know a unique file that only exists in that package and search that file using apt to get the new package that contains the file. the command is "sudo apt-file search <filename>"
[17:42] <BillD73> srgjames: what are you looking for?
[17:43] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: do you have multiple linux installs? or do you multiboot?
[17:44] <tomreyn> vmware_user: see what nacc just said to dabomb some minutes ago: 17.10.1 was jut a respin of the ISO. it wasn't an actual dot release.
[17:44] <tomreyn> vmware_user: in other words: the installer ISO version was raised, but not that of the installed system.
[17:45] <tomreyn> phoenix_firebrd: ^
[17:45] <srgjames> BillD73 keep getting an email since i installed postfix
[17:45] <srgjames> https://imgur.com/a/PVZ2Q
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> tomreyn: ok, in that case, the version will remain 17.10
[17:45] <srgjames> Yes the file doesnt exist i removed it but not sure where the hell the error is comming from
[17:45] <phoenix_firebrd> tomreyn: sorry I am not aware of that
[17:45] <blinder> yes
[17:45] <tomreyn> phoenix_firebrd: yes, normally non LTS release dont get point releases.
[17:46] <dabomb> tomreyn: what was the problem with the installer?
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> tomreyn: That I know, but I thought this a very unusual situation
[17:47] <tomreyn> dabomb: i forgot the details, i think there was a somewhat widespread issue with uefi laptops.
[17:47] <BillD73> srgjames: likely  your webservers  module conf is still looking for it
[17:47] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: I installed the 17.10.1 version and the file says 17.10 period, no errors.
[17:47] <vmware_user> that is the fact jack
[17:47] <ioria> vmware_user, grep -i cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:48] <tomreyn> srgjames: did you restart / rehub crond?
[17:48] <TJ-> xbleez: Xorg dropped the -s3 driver because it was no longer maintained
[17:48] <srgjames> tomreyn i have used sudo reboot is that the same ?
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: you have no errors
[17:49] <ioria> vmware_user,    or cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[17:49] <tomreyn> srgjames: thats good enough, yes
[17:50] <dabomb> tomreyn: interesting. when i dd the latest ubuntu iso to a usb stick and try to boot it on an old core 2 duo system it freezes it during POST at RAM memoery readout
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: the so called "17.10.1" is just the iso version image speaking roughly. The OS version in the ISO is 17.10, so even If you installed the "17.10.1" ISO, the OS version will be 17.10. Dont worry you have the latest software
[17:51] <dabomb> it's the bios causing it somehow
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: given you have updated the system fully
[17:51] <xbleez> @TJ- thank you , i suspected that at first, ...because s3 is very old, I have a virtual hardware ... I will check the sources.
[17:51] <vmware_user> I agree, so was curious why you kept insisting otherwise
[17:51] <TJ-> xbleez: Bug #1541369
[17:52] <dabomb> it expects a special kind of preparation with the boot record and FS and it doesnt like it when i DD the iso image over
[17:52] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: it doesn't matter its the latest as you realize
[17:52] <dabomb> for how long will ubuntu support old BIOS based systems?
[17:52] <dabomb> 5 more good years?
[17:52] <tomreyn> dabomb: i'm not sure whether dd'ing images still works
[17:52] <srgjames> tomreyn lets see if a Hard off and on works instead
[17:53] <akik> dabomb: i've not seen anythink related to that. why would that be disabled?
[17:53] <dabomb> tomreyn: why would it not? what has changed recently?
[17:53] <vmware_user> nacc: I am curious about making sure I have the latest repos for my 3rd party apps
[17:53] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: ok
[17:54] <dabomb> akik, tomreyn i believe the new ubuntu isos are hybrids? prepared for uefi based systems?
[17:54] <tomreyn> dabomb: i would not know, i'm just saying i don't know it for sure that it works, and i don't think it's one of the methods discussed on the installation guide. but i may be remembering this incorrectly.
[17:54] <nacc> vmware_user: well, taht would be up to the third party app providers not ubuntu
[17:54] <dabomb> bios systems don't like that much
[17:55] <TJ-> dave0x6d:
[17:55] <tomreyn> srgjames: wont make a difference
[17:55] <tomreyn> srgjames: also you should not do this in general
[17:55] <akik> dabomb: yes dd with the ubuntu iso works with both bios and uefi. it's hybrid in the sense that it can be used with both dvd drives and usb sticks
[17:55] <dave0x6d> TJ-: what.
[17:55] <TJ-> dabomb: The hybrid ISO can boot in BIOS/MBR, BIOS/GPT, BIOS/ISO9660-el-torito, UEFI/MBR UEFI/GPT UEFI/ISO9660-el-torito
[17:56] <dabomb> tomreyn: ok, well i am telling you the problem is not with dd command, but with the way that iso data is structured
[17:56] <TJ-> dave0x6d: sorry, tab complete and Enter messing up
[17:56] <TJ-> dabomb: nothing wrong with the ISO layouts Ubuntu publishes
[17:56] <dabomb> so it is prepped for uefi/legacy and uefi modern/pure?
[17:57] <dabomb> i am thinking of CSM
[17:57] <TJ-> uefi/legacy is BIOS/MBR or BIOS/GPT
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Can the recent cpu micro code update create boot issues?
[17:57] <tomreyn> dabomb: okay, or maybe its a hardware / firmware issue? since i dont see how the usb sticks' contents would freeze a system during memory readout, especially if it's pre-uefi.
[17:58] <TJ-> dabomb: CSM/legacy whatever you want to call it
[17:58] <ducasse> phoenix_firebrd: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode/+bug/1759920
[17:59] <dabomb> well i would have to do extensive testing to verify, with older ubuntu images, but as i recall it i did not used to have this problem in the past on the same system
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> ducasse: right
[17:59] <dabomb> it's a gigabyte ga-x38-dq6 board, for those that care
[17:59] <TJ-> Problems with USB boot are usually do to either data corruption (on the storage, or whilst being read from it) or problems with the host's USB controller (often when there's USB3+USB2 controllers multiplexing the same physical ports)
[17:59] <tomreyn> dabomb: both classic (pre-uefi) bios and uefi firmware in both uefi and CSM/legacy mode are normally able to boot off the isos.
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> dabomb: mine is a gigabyte one too
[18:00] <tomreyn> dabomb: however, there is a lot of buggy firmware
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> dabomb: the image is a bios one or the image forces a uefi boot?
[18:00] <dabomb> phoenix_firebrd: yeey! hi brother!
[18:00] <dabomb> :)
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> dabomb: :)
[18:01] <TJ-> dabomb: the fact the PC freezes at the POST memory test certainly points to a hardware or firmware problem (unless the USB device is somehow causing an electrical short on the USB connector)
[18:01] <dabomb> phoenix_firebrd: the iso image is bios/uefi agnostic really, but as they explain here it could be a buggy bios
[18:02] <UnluckyForSome> hello! is there anybody out there who can help me sort my  /etc/network/interfaces file?
[18:02] <vmware_user> nacc: yeah I am looking at the repos and with microsoft 17.04 is the latest one with all their stuff in it, there are others but they are missing stuff for 17.10 and 18.04 as yet
[18:02] <dabomb> TJ-: funny think you mention that, i used that usb stick earlier to DD a windows 10 iso to it, before i gave up because it seemed impossible to DD windows isos (they are not hybrids i don't think) using the DD command
[18:02] <vmware_user> maybe cause 17.04 is lts, no?
[18:03] <nacc> vmware_user: 17.04 is eol and not an lts
[18:03] <dabomb> maybe... just maybe that adventure somehow screwed the usb stick
[18:03] <lesd> hi
[18:03] <akik> dabomb: yes as you noticed dd and windows isos don't work together. if you want, i can paste you a guide on how to do it in ubuntu
[18:03] <TJ-> dabomb: Is the device a USB adapter with an SD-card plugged into it, or a plain USB 'thumb' flash sotrage device?
[18:03] <vmware_user> I have another issue I am dealing with too, maybe someone can assist with!
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> dabomb: Recently I had a experience of one image which prefered efi mode. one selecting a bios mode, the live iso didnt boot and I think the kernel panicked
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[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: what is the issue?
[18:04] <vmware_user> > I have a workstaiton from a client that has VMware Workstation 14.1.1 and also Ubuntu 17.10.1 on it. I fire up vmware workstation and click "about" or "add new vm" and it crashes then on a different user, it works fine! any ideas what environmental stuff might be causing that behavior to become instantiated?
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[18:05] <dabomb> i will have to do some testing to be sure, but it does seem very strange that something like this would freeze the computer, but i have seen other such weird things happen with this system, i have been using it for about 10 years now so i know its ins and outs very well
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[18:06] <vmware_user> I do have a log file from vmware I can pastebin
[18:06] <Pici> thanks Sigyn
[18:07] <dabomb> akik: please do post a link for the guide, i will check it out, i have spent about 5 hours on making bootable windows 10 isos on ubuntu, some involving compiling from source things like sys-ms
[18:07] <dabomb> i could use that for future reference if i get a guide that works
[18:08] <dabomb> but right now i am going to write a new usb stick (flash drive) on a windows 10 system with rufus, just to see if it does anything different
[18:08] <akik> dabomb: https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2016/11/07/how-to-create-a-bootable-uefi-gpt-windows-10-usb-stick-in-ubuntu/
[18:08] <TJ-> dabomb: I've seen some of those USB devices overheat and fail after constant writing of data using 'dd' - the embedded flash controllers simply aren't able to handle the sustained transfer rate
[18:08] <UnluckyForSome> hello! is there anybody out there who can help me sort my /etc/network/interfaces file? I have 2 interfaces wifi and ethernet, I ideally want them using the same local IP, with ethernet taking priority when they are both available, and wifi kicking in only when the ethernet is unavailable. Is this possible!? My current file looks like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cnYnmrjYbt/
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: It could be the settings/config specific to that user that is causing the crash
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: by crash you mean the UI or kernel panic?
[18:09] <dabomb> akik: thank you
[18:09] <dabomb> TJ-: thanks! i shall keep that in mind
[18:09] <dabomb> it was my first time to use DD for anything to be honest
[18:10] <TJ-> dabomb: can you use a WindowsPE image or Windows 2 Go image ?
[18:10] <phoenix_firebrd> dabomb: If you find time try a stress test on your PC to see if the hardware is OK
[18:10] <UnluckyForSome> hello! is there anybody out there who can help me sort my /etc/network/interfaces file? I have 2 interfaces wifi and ethernet, I ideally want them using the same local IP, with ethernet taking priority when they are both available, and wifi kicking in only when the ethernet is unavailable. Is this possible!? My current file looks like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cnYnmrjYbt/
[18:11] <UnluckyForSome> @tomerin
[18:11] <UnluckyForSome> oops
[18:12] <Hobbyboy> is the cdimage server currently having issues? Won't load up for me
[18:12] <dabomb> TJ-: writing just plain win 10 v 1709 to the same usb flash drive
[18:13] <dabomb> TJ-: fat32, mbr for bios/uefi, 4K cluster
[18:13] <tomreyn> UnluckyForSome: the logic about juggling the ip addresses around you would have to apply on the dhcp server, not on ubuntu
[18:13] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: I think you're doing it the wrong way. It is not possible for 2 interfaces to share the same IP address. What you should do is create a new BRIDGE interface (e.g. br0), attach both the ethernet and wifi interfaces to it (as slave interfaces) and then set DHCP to operate on the br0 interface. It may need some additional work to prevent route problems, OR....
[18:14] <tomreyn> UnluckyForSome: ok, i guessd what TJ suggests could be make to work, too.
[18:15] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: .... you can set up a BOND interface (e.g. bond) in fallover-mode, add the ethernet and wireless interfaces to it, set one of them as the preferred (primary), and again set the bond0 to do DHCP
[18:15]  * tomreyn sees UnluckyForSome's head explode
[18:15] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: BOND would be the best way to go since it has options for setting interface priorities, it's what it is designed for
[18:16] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: now for the good news, if you're using a Desktop GUI system Network Manager's Connection Editor can create a Virtual Bond interface
[18:16] <tomreyn> UnluckyForSome: sorry, i should hold back such comments. goo dluck.
[18:17] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: so you don't put anything in /etc/network/interfaces (which is the ifupdown system)
[18:17] <UnluckyForSome> haha. OK! thanks
[18:17] <TJ-> tomreyn: I thought your comment is entirely appropriate :D
[18:18] <blinder> TJ-: About to head home. Can I please get a list of commands to trouble shoot the internet issue?
[18:18] <blinder> how do I know that it is detecting the hardwire required to use the wifi
[18:19] <blinder> !log
[18:19] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: For a Bond interface you'd want it in active-backup mode
[18:20] <UnluckyForSome> unfortunately I'm using ubuntu server so no gui!
[18:20] <TJ-> blinder: detect hardware wifi device: "lspci -nnk -d :0280"
[18:20] <UnluckyForSome> think I may have to give up on the idea as I haven't got the skills needed haha!
[18:20] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: Network manager is a daemon, at the cli use "nmtui" which a ncurses based connection editor
[18:21] <TJ-> UnluckyForSome: nmtui == Network Manager Text User Interface
[18:21] <blinder> what should I expect after the "lspci -nnk -d :2080"
[18:21] <blinder> command
[18:21] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: the application crashes (that is what I mean by crash), and yes, something for that user is surely the issue though I do not understand the log file well enough to figure out what (the VMware Workstation log it generates)
[18:21] <UnluckyForSome> ok, i'll have a look...
[18:22] <TJ-> blinder: it'll give exact details of the wifi chipset, and the driver(s) it can/is using. Pass those on to us next time so we can figure out what driver/firmware you may need to make it work
[18:23] <blinder> TJ-: Just so you know I cannot get an ethernet cable to connect into my computer
[18:27] <TJ-> blinder: this is what the command output looks like for me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cnYnmrjYbt/
[18:29] <TJ-> blinder: so you can write command output to file and put it onto a USB flash stick ?
[18:33] <diegodlpereira_> hey
[18:33] <diegodlpereira_> does anyone know how to solve the brightness problems on 16.04 LTS version?
[18:34] <diegodlpereira_> I cannot adjust the brightness via F11 / F12 buttons on Lenovo Ideapad Z400. I've already tried those following options:
[18:34] <diegodlpereira_> https://nisheetlall.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/solved-brightness-fix-in-linux-for-optimus-laptops/
[18:35] <diegodlpereira_> https://askubuntu.com/a/859480
[18:35] <alocer> hey guys. i noticed "cvlc --video-wallpaper --no-audio /file/to/video" doesn't work anymore on 17.10. anyone knows any other solution to this ?
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> alocer, 17.10 uses the Gnome Desktop instead of Unity. It may not support that feature anymore?
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> alocer, nm... I have no idea what I thnking of at the moment
[18:37] <alocer> i'm currently downloading mpv to try the command "mpv -wid=0 /file/to/video" to see what happens ..
[18:38] <alocer> pragmaticenigma: i want to set a video as my wallpaper
[18:38] <akem> alocer, i'm on 17.10 this command works.
[18:39] <akem> I got a movie in background.
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> alocer, what isn't working? can you be more descriptive? are you seeing an error message? what steps are you taking after running cvlc? (remember to respond as best you can on a single line)
[18:40] <alocer> akem: did you installed your graphic driver ? perhaps i'm missing something
[18:40] <akik> alocer: did you test with the xorg session or wayland?
[18:40] <akem> alocer, I have the NVidia driver yes.
[18:41] <alocer> pragmaticenigma: thas the problem. i can't figure the problem
[18:41] <alocer> akik: wait 17.10 has wayland support !!! oh man i miss so much
[18:41] <alocer> akik: let me check tath
[18:41] <akik> alocer: yes, by default. they went back to xorg in 18.04
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> akik, alocer is on 17.10
[18:42] <alocer> akik: god they can't decide.
[18:42] <akik> pragmaticenigma: yes, i know
[18:44] <alocer> akik: i m on wayland. i suppose i can "ctrl + alt + f1" to switch to xorg ?
[18:46] <akik> alocer: i dunno. the selection is in the login screen
[18:47] <alocer> akik: ye i saw that. but why do i have to tty's for my desktop . ctrl + alt +f1 & ctrl + alt + f4. the second one is changing on every reboot !!
[18:47] <alocer> two*
[18:47] <alocer> s/to/two
[18:47] <akik> alocer: the gui was also changed from ctrl+alt+f7 :)
[18:48] <paint> anybody here?
[18:48] <alocer> akik: i think i have to relearn the whole linux thing :(
[18:48] <TJ-> alocer: session has to be selected at the greeter; multiple tty's for user session vs lock session
[18:48] <akik> alocer: i think it works like this: login manager is in f1, then the logged in gui in f2
[18:48] <akik> at least that's how somebody described it
[18:48] <alocer> TJ-: tty setting are still the same as before right ?
[18:49] <TJ-> alocer: gnome/mutter (Wayland) moved to tty1 to avoid stepping on the toes of existing tty7 users I *think*
[18:49] <Bashing-om> !ask | paint
[18:49] <alocer> akik: that makes sens to me
[18:49] <alocer> TJ-: thats how fedora works .. but ubuntu does the same ?
[18:50] <TJ-> alocer: it's a GDM thing. lightm uses tty7 + tty8 :)
[18:50] <TJ-> s/lightm/lightdm/
[18:50] <alocer> i think i need to do some test .. thanks guys <3
[18:54] <alocer> i can't remember. what's the command to see what tty i'm connected ?
[18:54] <alocer> who ?
[18:55] <Younder> Since an update a couple of days ago Virtual box hasn't worked. It reports that the virtualbox driver is of another version than the client. Has anyone else had that problem. I tried to reinstall it, but no joy. Any fixes?
[18:55] <alocer> s/who/\"who\"/
[18:55] <akik> alocer: write "tty" :)
[18:56] <alocer> which ctrl+alt+f? is this > /dev/pts/0
[18:56] <alocer> who replied tty7
[18:58] <akik> alocer: pts is pseudo terminal, usually with ssh connections
[18:58] <alocer> akik ok
[18:59] <alocer> akik: oh .. you're right .. i have totally forgotten that .. sry m8 . thanks
[19:00] <alocer> TJ-: yeah lightdm is on tty1
[19:00] <alocer> got it now .. thanks again
[19:08] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: did you ever see my response? Been a lot of traffic on here maybe you did not
[19:09] <alocer> it was useful to me.. maybe to somebody else too :) -> http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/
[19:11] <akik> alocer: that guy is brilliant. you should read his other pages too
[19:11] <alocer> akik: bookmarked :)
[19:13] <dabomb> akik, TJ- i have written the windows iso to usb stick with rufus on windows, i can now boot off of that on the c2d system
[19:14] <dabomb> rufus settings: https://i.imgur.com/HAX0kpj.png
[19:14] <ABCook> is ubuntu's ftp running slow today or is it my ISP?
[19:15] <dabomb> about to try this setting now: https://i.imgur.com/JPfzR2R.png
[19:15] <ABCook> Download: 92.55 Mbit/s
[19:16] <dabomb> in iso mode: https://i.imgur.com/TaEpdbU.png
[19:16] <alocer> dabomb: dont's use rufus to write linux iso to usb ..
[19:16] <dabomb> Alcatrone, what do you suggest?
[19:16] <alocer> dabomb: use win32diskwriter or fedoramediawriter ..
[19:16] <dabomb> why?
[19:17] <blinder> quick question:  Can I burn an image on my pen drive that already has all the drivers pre installed in it
[19:17] <dabomb> nothing beats rufus! period!
[19:17] <blinder> usb*
[19:18] <blinder> i used rufus too its good
[19:18] <alocer> dabomb: rufus implement its own bootloader. which some linux distro's aren't configured with rufus bootloader.. they have their own bootloader.
[19:18] <alocer> dabomb: so fedora media writer is pretty a great choice .
[19:19] <alocer> dabomb: i use rufus to create windows usb live installation.
[19:19] <alocer> dabomb: not to write my linux iso into usb .
[19:19] <dabomb> i have installed ubuntu probably 10 times in the past 2 years, and rufus worked every time!
[19:20] <alocer> dabomb: i was not successful with rufus and install linux via usb disks ..
[19:20] <alocer> dabomb: sry . i don't have any solution for you.
[19:21] <dabomb> dd command on ubuntu yesterday failed to create a bootable windows iso on usb for me, and from the looks of it, what i experienced recently here is that ubuntus new disk writer tool is to blame for freezing my system during post
[19:21] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: sorry, I was afk having my dinner
[19:21] <kv102t> i have installed ubuntu and the drivers for the WiFi drivers needed to be enabled in additional drivers.  I have done this but i still can't use the wifi. Any ideas?
[19:22] <phoenix_firebrd> do you see any error messages from the application that crashes
[19:22] <dabomb> i don't deal with fedora much, but i have successfully installed fedora on 2 occasions in the past 10 months or so, one of them an old athlon64 system with bios
[19:23] <dabomb> rufus is the way to go! im telling yall! just wish there was a linux version of it
[19:23] <dabomb> nuf said! rufus ftw!
[19:23] <akik> dabomb: dd works in linux for that
[19:27] <dabomb> ok i can now confirm that with the last rufus option above i can boot on uefi mode uefi system
[19:27] <blinder> bkinder: Take a look at this
[19:27] <blinder> blinder: Take a look at this
[19:27] <dabomb> but not on bios system, as expected
[19:28] <dabomb> verifying dmi pool data.... _ _ _ _
[19:28] <dabomb> just plinks here, but this is not the @ post freeze i experienced yesterday
[19:28] <akik> dabomb: the closest you get to the dd experience is the dd write mode in rufus
[19:29] <kv102t> i have installed ubuntu and the drivers for the WiFi drivers needed to be enabled in additional drivers.  I have done this but i still can't use the wifi. Any ideas?
[19:29] <ioria> does anyone have problem pinging www.google.com or it's just me ? tx
[19:29] <dabomb> akik, thanks for reminding me, will give that a spin as well now
[19:30] <akik> dabomb: so it doesn't try to modify the iso in any way. just writes it
[19:31] <Bashing-om> ioria: " 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms
[19:31] <ioria> Bashing-om, thank you
[19:31] <dabomb> ok here we go: https://i.imgur.com/3ro9AP1.png
[19:31] <dabomb> https://i.imgur.com/UzIiXdk.png
[19:32] <Bashing-om> ioria: :) I do have high speed cable .
[19:32] <dabomb> testing with mbr / uefi mode on uefi system first
[19:32] <ioria> Bashing-om,  i see :þ
[19:34] <dabomb> akik, i don't think iso mode modeifes the iso either though?
[19:34] <TJ-> ioria: www.google.com is an anycast address, so check with tracepath as to where you're being routed to
[19:34] <dabomb> it just unpacks it i think and then writes custom boot sector and bootloader and copies the files over from a temp folder
[19:34] <ioria> TJ-, good idea
[19:34] <dabomb> brb
[19:35] <akik> darmok: that's what i mean
[19:35] <ioria> TJ-, no reply   ... guess it's my bloody provider
[19:36] <TJ-> dabomb: ISO mode creates a custom boot layout and just copies files out of the ISO-9660 file-system
[19:38] <TJ-> ioria: for ping I see "PING www.google.com(dub08s02-in-x04.1e100.net (2a00:1450:400b:802::2004)) 56 data bytes"
[19:38] <TJ-> ioria: and it responds
[19:38] <kv102t> i have installed ubuntu and the drivers for the WiFi drivers needed to be enabled in additional drivers.  I have done this but i still can't use the wifi. Any ideas?
[19:38] <TJ-> ioria: for IPv4 it is "PING www.google.com (108.177.126.147) 56(84) bytes of data."
[19:38] <ioria> TJ-, no way, just dead
[19:39] <TJ-> ioria: is the DNS resolution returning an IP address?
[19:40] <ioria> TJ-, reddit works, wikipedia works, any other web site work, but not google and yt
[19:40] <TJ-> both google properties? could be a BGP problem upstream
[19:40] <TJ-> ioria: what IP address do you get for www.google.com ?
[19:41] <ioria> TJ-, my local google i guess .... 216.58.205.100
[19:42] <ioria> TJ-,  https://uk.gl/   works
[19:42] <dabomb> TJ-, akik i got it! the bios system froze @post, like yesterday
[19:43] <akik> ioria: there's a network inspector in firefox that could help too
[19:43] <ioria> akik, right
[19:44] <ioria> akik, TJ- thanks ... looks like it  was a temp issue
[19:44] <dabomb> will post a pic soon
[19:46] <TJ-> dabomb: makes me wonder, if the USB device is fine, if the PC firmware looks at USb devices early in POST in case it contains a firmware update package. Maybe the hybrid images look like one to the firmware and it incorrectly tries to use it for an update. I've seen sillier things happen :)
[19:47] <TJ-> dabomb: I'd ensure the PC has the latest firmware installed too
[19:47] <dabomb> https://i.imgur.com/MnrrQJI.jpg
[19:48] <flying_sausages> Hey guys, which desktop environments do you run on your servers if any?
[19:48] <TJ-> flying_sausages: errrr... one!
[19:48] <TJ-> none!
[19:49] <akik> flying_sausages: mate desktop seems to behave nicely with x2go
[19:49] <TJ-> I can't think of anything worse to complicate a server install than adding a GUI
[19:49] <dabomb> TJ-, ok so this is rufus made bootable linux ubuntu 17.10.1 written in dd mode, fat32 mbr for bios or uefi, 4k blocks
[19:50] <dabomb> per https://i.imgur.com/3ro9AP1.png
[19:51] <dabomb> there is more to this! on my uefi system in uefi mode, the same usb stick boots fine, but reboot from live usb results in a halt
[19:51] <dabomb> pic coming up
[19:51] <TJ-> dabomb: what's the "memo" referring to ?
[19:51] <TJ-> dabomb: also, what make/model of PC or mobo?
[19:51] <dabomb> it has not printed fully "momery"
[19:52] <TJ-> dabomb: OH! lol
[19:52] <dabomb> you can see that in the pic
[19:52] <TJ-> dabomb: thought it had a message for you :p
[19:52] <dabomb> :p
[19:53] <dabomb> so that's on the bios system in bios mode o/c (what else)
[19:53] <TJ-> dabomb: that reboot halt is most likely a firmware bug in ACPI (not enabling all services when Linux is the OS)
[19:54] <dabomb> TJ-, yeah there is acpi error in the output
[19:54] <dabomb> im prepping the pic right now
[19:54] <TJ-> dabomb: you may be able to solve the ACPI issue with an appropriate acpi_osi=... kernel comamnd line option
[19:57] <whytrytofly> hi
[19:57] <kostkon> whytrytofly, hi
[19:57] <dabomb> TJ-, https://i.imgur.com/D2TLHZ8.jpg
[19:58] <dabomb> TJ-, akik there you go, there is the same usb stick rebooting on an uefi system in uefi mode, so it boots fine on uefi system but then halts at that point during reboot from live usb
[19:59] <TJ-> dabomb: the MMIO error looks the worst, and possibly a cascade from the RP01.PXSX problem
[19:59] <dabomb> that doesn't tell me a whole lot but this is just 1 year old uefi ultrabook
[20:00] <Younder> Since an update a couple of days ago Virtual box hasn't worked. It reports that the virtualbox driver is of another version than the client. Has anyone else had that problem. I tried to reinstall it, but no joy. Any fixes?
[20:00] <TJ-> dabomb: is that a Mac system?
[20:00] <dabomb> TJ-, it is not, it's an asus ux303ub
[20:01] <dabomb> also, this problem only appears when the bootable usb stick is prepped with rufus using DD write mode
[20:01] <dabomb> also note! that the ubuntu does the same thing, if you prep a bootable usb stick for ubuntu inside ubuntu using the new disk creator tool
[20:02] <dabomb> i guess the ubuntu tool also uses the DD command for its write operations
[20:03] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: I just took a shower so we are even!
[20:03] <TJ-> dabomb: the ACPI RP01.PXSX is the brightness controller node for the GPU  backlight
[20:03] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: the application crashes (that is what I mean by crash), and yes, something for that user is surely the issue though I do not understand the log file well enough to figure out what (the VMware Workstation log it generates)
[20:03] <TJ-> dabomb: I wouldn't be  suprised if the correct acpi_osi= would also help the LiveISO boot
[20:04] <dabomb> so if you want users of old bios systems to be able to make bootable ubuntu usb sticks inside ubuntu, you may want to give them another option than the official start disk creator tool, or possibly make it do what rufus does best: offer the user an option to switch between iso and dd write mode
[20:04] <dabomb> TJ-, that's spot on!
[20:05] <dabomb> i noticed the brightness was FULL ON
[20:05] <dabomb> and it was flickering while in the live session on the asus uefi system
[20:05] <adymitruk> anyone have ssh issues with git providers after the latest update
[20:06] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: gonna paste bin a log file in a minute
[20:07] <akik> dabomb: the working solution is to use dd in linux or the dd mode in rufus (you can activate this with alt+i)
[20:08] <dabomb> TJ-, can i set the acpi_osi on the fly on a live usb system? i may be able to test that quickly
[20:08] <Lulunar> Using network manager applet I've set a interface to be "shared to other computers" and plugged a headless device in. How do I know the IP addr of the other device?
[20:08] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: ok
[20:08] <dabomb> akik, how is that the solution? that's what causes the problems
[20:08] <dabomb> for both uefi and bios system
[20:08] <TJ-> dabomb: if the PC firmware itself has a problem that's not something for Ubuntu to try to workaround. Your report is unique, so I suspect either BIOS config options you've set, overclocking, or bad firmware on that motherboard.
[20:09] <akik> dabomb: that's just how the things work. you might have a problem with your computer
[20:10] <dabomb> Gigabyte: the bios system; Asus: the uefi system
[20:10] <TJ-> dabomb: yes, you can set acpi_osi ... interrupt the boot by tapping Esc to get to the boot menu, then add something like acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2009"   to the kernel command line options in front of the "--"
[20:10] <dabomb> TJ-, i did not overclock the gigabyte pc
[20:10] <dabomb> i have no special configs in there
[20:11] <TJ-> dabomb: I'm mentioning potential causes we know can create problems
[20:11] <dabomb> nothing specially done on the asus either
[20:11] <TJ-> dabomb: In these cases I ensure the latest BIOS is installed and I try it with factory default BIOS config
[20:13] <TJ-> dabomb: on my Asus T300CHI the command line has BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-13-lowlatency root=/dev/mapper/VG02-rootfs ro no_console_suspend acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2013" splash vt.handoff=7
[20:13] <TJ-> dabomb: the actual value of acpi_osi= is specific to each mode though. If your Asus is older then "windows 2013" won't help, it needs a value you've pulled out of the PC's ACPI DSDT
[20:16]  * dabomb taking notes
[20:16] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yKZKCVk35y/
[20:17] <TJ-> dabomb: here's how to do, an article I've written about solving common ACPI issues  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:21] <dabomb> TJ-, "It assumes the boot-loader is GRUB2 and that the system is running a version of Debian, Ubuntu, or one of their many derivatives."
[20:21] <dabomb> so i should not run these commands on my asus laptop if the bootloader is windows?
[20:22] <dabomb> i can't afford to have a brick at this point in time
[20:22] <dabomb> if that is the case i will be sure to test it later over the weekend
[20:23] <sadtaco> I'm having difficulty troubling why Ubuntu is only recognizing 4 out of 8 Nvidia GPUs on a machine. "lspci | grep -i vga" only lists 4.  Trying to generate a new xorg.conf with "nvidia-xconfig --allow-empty-initial-configuration --enable-all-gpus --cool-bits=28 --separate-x-screens" only outputs from screen0-3 as well.
[20:24] <TJ-> dabomb: you cannot set acpi_osi for the Windows boot
[20:24] <sadtaco> I had it working for 8 fine a few weeks ago, then it just stopped working. I guess it could be the motherboard, but I'm not sure how to tell that for sure.
[20:24] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: can you give the application specific log or error messages ?
[20:24] <vmware_user> I did above the log file!
[20:25] <vmware_user> and the below the "follows hereupon" is the actual log file itself from vmware
[20:25] <TJ-> dabomb: if Linux is being booted (in UEFI mode) then GRUB is being used to boot it, which means you can edit the kernel's command line. My guide shows only how to do it for an installed Linux, not the LiveISO.
[20:26] <vmware_user> stuff above is what printed on the bash terminal
[20:26] <vmware_user> below is the contents of the file it mentions.
[20:26] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: what is the name of the application that crashes?
[20:27] <TJ-> sadtaco: can you show us "pastebinit <( uname -a; lspci -nn; dmesg )"
[20:27] <vmware_user> vmware
[20:27] <vmware_user> "/usr/bin/vmware"
[20:28] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: vmware crashes in the new installation?
[20:28] <vmware_user> yes
[20:28] <vmware_user> now, updating my kernel might fix it
[20:28] <vmware_user> I would not rule that out
[20:28] <sadtaco> Ofc. Moment.
[20:28] <vmware_user> but, was curious if you could see any other obvious things I might have missed in that log file
[20:29] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: can you paste the output of "ldd /usr/bin/vmware"
[20:29] <vmware_user> sure! 1 second
[20:30] <vmware_user> 	not a dynamic executable
[20:30] <kv102t> i have installed ubuntu and the drivers for the WiFi drivers needed to be enabled in additional drivers.  I have done this but i still can't use the wifi. Any ideas?
[20:30] <sadtaco> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VQwRrMT3Ms/  "uname -a; lspci -nn; dmesg" output.
[20:31] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: it is a script
[20:32] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: from where did you get the package?
[20:32] <vmware_user> www.vmware.com
[20:32] <phoenix_firebrd> kv102t: did you restart after you installed the drivers?
[20:33] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: "wget https://www.vmware.com/go/getworkstation-linux"
[20:33] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: is vmware extensions installed?
[20:34] <vmware_user> hang on
[20:34] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: also see if you could find the actual executable of the vmware
[20:34] <TJ-> sadtaco: based on the lspci output initially, it looks like the PCI bus IDs should be 01 02 03 04 05 06 08 09 but you only have 01 02 03 09 being detected.... looking further in dmesg for the PCI bridges
[20:34] <vmware_user> vmware-extensions (vmware tools) are for guests not the host machine
[20:35] <vmware_user> let me see one sec on the executable
[20:35] <sadtaco> yeah I'm glancing through for anything that jumps out as well. Like I see that NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=# for the devices detected are 3,7,8,9
[20:36] <dabomb> TJ-, i should be able to use these commands for the live usb session though?
[20:36] <sadtaco> and yeah I see the 01, 02, 03, 09 PCI buses I think those are.
[20:36] <TJ-> sadtaco: I suspect either the firmware setup options have somehow changed for the PCI bridges, or a power issue! But can you show me "pastebinit <( lspci -tnnv )"
[20:36] <R13ose> TJ-: hi
[20:37] <sadtaco> I did not touch the BIOS, is the the other thing that throws me off there.
[20:37] <TJ-> dabomb: from the live session once running Try Ubuntu, you can run the discovery command but cannot write/save the setting
[20:37] <sadtaco> Hmn even if the PSU was bad, wouldn't PCI power turn the card on enough for them to show here?
[20:37] <concretelogic> ok, i don't even know where to begin with this one, I was playing some music on rythmbox and quit it but the music keeps playing and the app doesn't show in the launcher, what can i do? is there a task manager equivalent?
[20:37] <sadtaco> Unless the PCI power on the motherboard busted?
[20:37] <concretelogic> hello btw
[20:37] <TJ-> sadtaco: its not unknown for firmware setup to spontaneously change. That's the 1st place I'd look for options that might limit the PCI bus/bridges
[20:38] <sadtaco> I did check to make sure I had PCI downgraded to ver.2 which I know can be an issue of it not splitting enough on 3.
[20:38] <sadtaco> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MhJByG9bgC/ "lspci -tnnv" output
[20:38] <TJ-> sadtaco: Can you figure out which GPUs are actually working and which slots they are in, so as to investigate the slots the missing GPUs are in. firmware setup may have options for controlling slot power or discovery, for example
[20:38] <sadtaco> yes. Brb.
[20:39] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: I don't know, but you can get a demo of it for free for 60 days
[20:39] <codebot_> i have a slack related problem. can anyone help me?
[20:39] <vmware_user> I have no idea what its real executable is
[20:39] <codebot_>  I tried entering my email address on this page - https://publicslack.com/slacks/eulercodercommunity/invites/new
[20:39] <codebot_>  but it says at the bottom "has already been taken". what does that mean? does that mean that this channel is not public?
[20:40] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: I meant not a script but a binary executable file
[20:40] <R13ose> TJ-: want to try and solve my issue?
[20:40] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: was it working when you installed first?
[20:40] <vmware_user> a while ago
[20:40] <TJ-> sadtaco: it looks to me like the missing GPUs are behind some of those other PCI bridges. So I'd be looking in firmware setup for any options that control PCI bridges
[20:40] <B4daBing73> Hi
[20:40] <vmware_user> but then things got upgraded as you go
[20:40] <vmware_user> I created a new user and it works fine there
[20:40] <vmware_user> very strange
[20:41] <TJ-> R13ose: I can't right now, it's almost 22:00 here I need some light relief!
[20:41] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: it uses some program called "appLoaded"
[20:41] <vmware_user> but it seems to use it some weird way
[20:41] <B4daBing73> Does anyone know when exactly the LTS version of Ubuntu 17 will be released in April?
[20:41] <codebot_> i have a slack related problem. can anyone help me?
[20:41] <codebot_>   I tried entering my email address on this page - https://publicslack.com/slacks/eulercodercommunity/invites/new
[20:41] <codebot_>   but it says at the bottom "has already been taken". what does that mean? does that mean that this channel is not public?
[20:42] <vmware_user> no later than the last day in April I'd imagine
[20:42] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: have you done a backup of the Oses or what they call appliances?
[20:42] <dabomb> TJ-, so i can basically just use the command: sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | sort
[20:42] <vmware_user> not trying to be sarcastic being real
[20:42] <R13ose> TJ-: okay thanks
[20:42] <vmware_user> yes, but you mean guests right?
[20:42] <TJ-> B4daBing73: 18.04 LTS releases end of this month
[20:42] <vmware_user> or do you mean host OS?
[20:43] <nmitchell> B4daBing73: Ubuntu wiki says April 26th for release date currently.
[20:43] <TJ-> B4daBing73: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[20:43] <TJ-> dabomb: yes, you got it :)
[20:43] <codebot_> i have a slack related problem. can anyone help me?
[20:43] <codebot_>   I tried entering my email address on this page - https://publicslack.com/slacks/eulercodercommunity/invites/new
[20:43] <codebot_>   but it says at the bottom "has already been taken". what does that mean? does that mean that this channel is not public?
[20:43] <B4daBing73> ok thanks guys
[20:43] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: Ubuntu 17 is the "host OS" of the Hypervisor which then has guest OSes running under it.
[20:43] <vmware_user> 17=17.10.1
[20:43] <dabomb> TJ-, got it, off to probing, thanks!
[20:44] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: have you done a backup of the guests?
[20:44] <codebot_> i have a slack related problem. can anyone help me?
[20:44] <codebot_>   I tried entering my email address on this page - https://publicslack.com/slacks/eulercodercommunity/invites/new
[20:44] <codebot_>   but it says at the bottom "has already been taken". what does that mean? does that mean that this channel is not public?
[20:44] <TJ-> dabomb: when adding the option to the kernel command-line you *must* surround the option with " marks due to the space in the option's value "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" not acpi_osi+Windows XXXX
[20:45] <vmware_user> Yes, I could, why? the guests are not the problem, I am having trouble adding a new guest
[20:45] <vmware_user> or using the "About" screen!
[20:46] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: I am thinking of doing a backup of the guests, then uninstall and reinstall vmware and then import the guests from the backup
[20:46] <vmware_user> well I did do that in part
[20:46] <Aises> hello, i need some help. I installed ubuntu with dual-boot. When I shutdown from Ubuntu and then when I run the PC again: 1. The motherload screen shows up .2.  A black grub command appears. 2. I type exit. 3. The motherload screen again. 4. And finally the 'normal' grub appears and I can select the OS.
[20:46] <vmware_user> I backed up the configuration files (that point to the guests) and then de-installed and re-installed vmware
[20:47] <vmware_user> same behaviour
[20:47] <Aises> i hope anyway can help me :/
[20:47] <vmware_user> that is why I am sure its something in Linux (maybe the kernel is the problem)
[20:47] <Aises> anyone*
[20:47] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: From the log file you gave me, I see just vmware segfaulting
[20:47] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: do you know how to debug?
[20:47] <vmware_user> what does segfaulting me?
[20:47] <TJ-> vmware_user: have you investigated the log messages about not being able to connect to the IPC Manager
[20:48] <vmware_user> I do not think its the kernel, as the other user it worked fine
[20:48] <vmware_user> what is the IPC Manger?
[20:48] <vmware_user> no I have not, but if I know what to check I will!
[20:48] <vmware_user> TJ-: I am willing to do what I need to figure it out just am not sure what to dio
[20:48] <vmware_user> dio=do
[20:48] <TJ-> vmware_user: look at the log, from the top... when you see the same message being repeated about "not found" it indicates there may be a problem.
[20:49] <sadtaco> It looks like it was indeed a power issue.
[20:49] <TJ-> vmware_user: there's a lot of those before the SegFault itself
[20:49] <TJ-> sadtaco: you solved it?
[20:49] <sadtaco> Thanks TJ-.
[20:49] <sadtaco> Mhm
[20:49] <TJ-> sadtaco: what was it? loose cable?
[20:49] <vmware_user> TJ: Yes, I read that, but I have no idea what the problem might be...that is where I need help.
[20:50] <sadtaco> I noticed the 4 not working all shared the same power connector to risers.  I changed where those plugged into on the PSU. I'm guessing that connector on the PSU burned out or something? idk.
[20:50] <sadtaco> Let me look up power spec for sata.
[20:50] <TJ-> vmware_user: put the error message inside double quotes in your preferred search engine, and trawl! That's what we do when you come here :)
[20:50] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: do you know how to debug?
[20:50] <vmware_user> I did that
[20:50] <TJ-> vmware_user: it doesn't look like an Ubuntu issue though, it looks like a vmware issue
[20:50] <codebot_> i have a slack related problem. can anyone help me?
[20:50] <codebot_>   I tried entering my email address on this page - https://publicslack.com/slacks/eulercodercommunity/invites/new
[20:50] <codebot_>   but it says at the bottom "has already been taken". what does that mean? does that mean that this channel is not public?
[20:50] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: not compiled programs with no source, no
[20:50] <phoenix_firebrd> TJ-: is codebot_ a spam?
[20:51] <TJ-> vmware_user: I'd focus on finding vmware-specific support forums where those logs are familiar
[20:51] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: have you used strace?
[20:51] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: no what is strace?
[20:51] <codebot_> phoenix_firebrd: i'm really not trying to spam here. but i really want to know about this.
[20:51] <vmware_user> TJ-: well, I thought this was such a chat room
[20:51] <vmware_user> a forum of people that could help
[20:52] <sadtaco> should be a 4.5Amp rail at 12v. So it should be able to handle 165w eh?  Shouldn't have failed from too much draw when not much go through the boards. Oh well though
[20:52] <ozberk> hi guys I have a problem with tty whenver I try to control alt f1 screen freezes
[20:52] <vmware_user> though I do realize its an Ubuntu chat room
[20:52] <bjonnh> why is snapd installed on minimal ubuntu?
[20:53] <tgm4883> vmware_user this is not a Ubuntu chat room. It's a Ubuntu support room
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: as we can see in the log that something is missing, we need to find whether some file is missing or some dependency is missing. If you use the ldd command on the executable we can see if the dependency is ok. If we use strace, for example strace -e trace=file <vmwareexecutalbe> we could find the last file accessed before or the file missing in question before the crash
[20:53] <phoenix_firebrd> codebot_: ok
[20:53] <vmware_user> ok
[20:54] <phoenix_firebrd> codebot_: ok
[20:54] <sadtaco> but yeah, you still helped a lot in narrowing down that it must be a board/BIOS issue. Ty. :)
[20:54] <vmware_user> tgm4883: we are not chatting here? I thought forums were email based or blog style.
[20:54] <vmware_user> ok a support forum
[20:54] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: let me see if I can figure the executable out
[20:54] <TJ-> sadtaco: but P = V x I ... 4.5A x 12V = 54W ... or is my math wrong?
[20:55] <sadtaco> That's each right? The connectors are 3 or 4 on a line.
[20:55] <sadtaco> So sorry actually this is 4 so it should handle 216w through it max.
[20:55] <vmware_user> TJ-: technicall if one number has a decimal point (4.5A) then the answer is 54.0W
[20:56] <TJ-> sadtaco: if it's a 'rail' that suggests to be the rail supplies 54W and the 4 outputs share it... you'd need to check the PSU specs in detail though to be sure
[20:56] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: I think you were using yahoo chat rooms a lot in the past, am I right?
[20:56] <dabomb> TJ-, https://i.imgur.com/gxLAG9i.jpg
[20:57] <vmware_user> no, actually never knew they had them. I used use Yahoo for news till they went far left
[20:57] <vmware_user> it used to be more honest news but not now
[20:57] <TJ-> dabomb: so: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[20:57] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: ok
[20:57] <dabomb> https://i.imgur.com/7zjX1AL.jpg
[20:58] <dabomb> TJ-, right, but i cannot test that until i actually install ubuntu on this asus laptop
[20:58] <dabomb> i might actually do it over the weekend
[20:58] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: This is like a chatroom, but here the rules are to discuss only the relevant software/distro problem/stuff
[20:58] <TJ-> dabomb: you can! that was my point. When the liveISO starts booting tap Esc to get the gRUB boot menu...
[20:59] <dabomb> oh? ok
[20:59] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: I dont know about ubuntu, but kubuntu has an offtopic channel called #kubuntu-offtopic where you can chat freely. As far as I know that channel is not logged
[20:59] <vmware_user> well that maybe, but: 1) I've never been advised of any rules here, and 2) I've never been advised I broke any, and 3) I am trying to resolve a problem that is within an Ubuntu environment. Granted, if someone said there was no Ubuntu in the equation, sure, asking how to get VMware running in CentOS here would be silly
[21:00] <TJ-> dabomb ... once the GRUB boot menu is showing highlight the boot option you want (Try Ubuntu ?) press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ..." and towards the end, but before the "--" add the options. Then boot immediately with that change using Ctrl+X or F10
[21:00] <vmware_user> I am not concerned if this channel is logged, maybe someone make use of this in the future
[21:01] <vmware_user> Moreover, I believe the issue is an Ubuntu issue of some sort! One user it works fine and the other it doesnt. That suggests that whilst it maybe a mix of application and Ubuntu, its not entirely the application
[21:01] <vmware_user> let me see if I can find the executable it uses.
[21:01] <TJ-> vmware_user: different linux user accounts?
[21:01] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: dont worry, this place values people more than rules, so If only completely not relevant they redirect you.
[21:02] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: that is good
[21:02] <TJ-> vmware_user: maybe the vmware saved settings for each user account are different - can you 'diff' them maybe?
[21:02] <sadtaco> Hm yeah. I can't get anything useful from that, but oh well.
[21:02] <dabomb> TJ-, ok i will test it shortly here then, but what do you call that window you see in my last pic? with the error message? what am i expected to do here?
[21:02] <dabomb> TJ-, i was able to exit out of it with ctrl+c
[21:03] <vmware_user> TJ-: yes, different user accounts (I said that at the outset). I created a new account, deleted all the 'initial directories' in it and left only a .bashrc file, then ran VMware, it worked, and I observed what directories and file got created when I exited the app.
[21:03] <TJ-> dabomb: Which Ubuntu release is the LiveISO?
[21:03] <vmware_user> TJ: then I moved that stuff in not working user
[21:03] <vmware_user> and re-ran it
[21:03] <vmware_user> same problem!
[21:04] <dabomb> TJ-, i mean this pic: https://i.imgur.com/7zjX1AL.jpg
[21:04] <dabomb> TJ-, it's 17.10.1 ubuntu desktop, the original
[21:04] <TJ-> dabomb: it could be the display is simply on the wrong VT so all you see is kernel messages but there's no getty/login. Try Ctrl+Alt+F1  through F7 to switch to different ttys where there might be a getty
[21:04] <vmware_user> TJ-: hang on, maybe I missed something!
[21:05] <TJ-> vmware_user: that sounds like a vmware issue in that case, like it's written something that in it's next run causes it to fail
[21:06] <TJ-> vmware_user: there are three directories that can contain settings that might cause it. $HOME/.config/ and $HOME/.local/ for permanent settings and $HOME/.cache/ for disposable files
[21:07] <vmware_user> TJ-: yes, thats why I used a new user, touched all the files with yesterdays date then ran the app and inspected what had today's date on it
[21:08] <TJ-> vmware_user: I'm wondering if just deleting everything in $HOME/.cache/ might help
[21:09] <vmware_user> worth a try! or do a "mv $HOME" entirely, make a blank home directory and try it
[21:09] <vmware_user> one sec
[21:32] <dabomb> TJ-, did i do this right? https://i.imgur.com/f01hxWP.jpg
[21:33] <dabomb> btw, there was no other ttys than that on F1
[21:34] <TJ-> dabomb: no
[21:34] <dabomb> this is all too new to me, and that options line doesn't feel right to me, probably why it didn't work
[21:34] <dabomb> ok
[21:34] <dabomb> i understand it must be different for installed vs. not installed
[21:34] <TJ-> dabomb: the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= is only used in /etc/default/grub ... all you need, literally is: apci_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[21:35] <dabomb> oh boy
[21:35] <dabomb> here we go again! :)
[21:36] <Bashing-om> DarkAceZ: ' sudo update-grub ' once the edit is made ?
[21:36] <TJ-> notice the = in acpi_osi=! too, your photo shows that is missing
[21:40] <vmware_user> gonna reboot
[21:41] <akem> Is there a place on Ubuntu 17.10 to see connected gamepads/joysticks, like on Windows in device you can test buttons and axis and visually check, or maybe a tool for that.
[21:42] <phoenix_firebrd> akem: if its a usb joystick/gamepad and you just want to see if its connected, run this command "lsusb"
[21:42] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: ok
[21:45] <brainwash> akem: maybe jstest-gtk
[21:45] <Aises> i've an issue with grub and dual-boot. Could anybody help me, please?
[21:45] <akem> phoenix_firebrd, well i'd like to test it too, i installed this: "joystick - set of testing and calibration tools for joysticks" but i don't find the tool.
[21:46] <akem> brainwash, ha ok i have jstest, not the gtk version i'll check for that, thanks.
[21:46] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[21:47] <akik> akem: you can use "dpkg -L joystick" to list the package contents
[21:48] <SlidingHorn> Aises, Just ask your question - if anyone knows the answer, they'll respond :)
[21:48] <akem> Thanks for the info akik, this can be very usefull.
[21:49] <Aises> i've Windows 10 and Ubuntu installed in dual-boot. When I shutdown or restart from Ubuntu I see the grub command line. If I type 'exit' it shows another grub screen where I can select the OS properly
[21:49] <Aises> so I don't know why I'm seeing like 2 duplicated grubs
[21:49] <akem> brainwash, i got it, just what i was looking for :)
[21:49] <Aises> it only happens when I shutdown or restart from Ubuntu
[21:50] <brainwash> akem: nice
[21:54] <dabomb> TJ-, before: https://i.imgur.com/EdbTMNO.jpg
[21:54] <dabomb> TJ-, param setting: https://i.imgur.com/wlydApM.jpg
[21:54] <NDx33xsy> hello)
[21:54] <dabomb> TJ-, after: https://i.imgur.com/hTD1zKG.jpg
[21:57] <dabomb> two asterisks vs. one asterisk is the only difference? :P
[21:58] <dabomb> TJ-, funny thing is i actually retyped what you wrote quite literally as "apci" the first time so i had to redo it
[21:58] <dabomb> the numbers in the square brackets are microseconds?
[21:59] <dabomb> except for those, the other numbers match up before vs. after the param change
[21:59] <dabomb> so basically same error at same address still
[22:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: When say you typed exit, you mean you typed in grub rescue?
[22:02] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd: no, not in rescue, in the command line
[22:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: I thinki you are referring the tty?
[22:02] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: well its fixed
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: nice
[22:03] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd: here https://snag.gy/9GlTwa.jpg
[22:03] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd: then i type 'exit' and i come here https://snag.gy/hPVenv.jpg so I can select the OS normally
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: that is grub rescue?
[22:03] <Aises> no, it's not
[22:03] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd: as it appears, when I rebooted (thus using the new kernel) I started VMware and it immediately complained it needed to recompile some modules and had no header files for the kernel. So, I installed kernel header files and rebuild the modules and poof it worked
[22:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: I cant see the prompt in the screenshot
[22:04] <vmware_user> must have been that at some point kernels and headers and such got jacked up and removed and that
[22:04] <vmware_user> now its all cleaned up
[22:04] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd:  looks like this one https://i.stack.imgur.com/G96N9.jpg
[22:05] <dabomb> TJ-, this appears to be an old bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852665
[22:05] <vmware_user> phoenix_firebrd/TJ: Yeah, enough BS to impress a large heard of cattle
[22:05] <vmware_user> but my ansible script now has all the kernel metapackages in it
[22:05] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: It could be that you updated the system installed a new kernel, but since you installed the vmware from the website, the kernel modules of which might rebuilding for every new kernel
[22:06] <vmware_user> so it should be able to be run and fix it next time
[22:06] <TJ-> dabomb: that's just a report though, it's not stopping the system
[22:06] <vmware_user> yeah well, its all good now
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> vmware_user: and recompiling the modules solved the issue
[22:06] <vmware_user> yes
[22:06] <vmware_user> as well as adding the right headers for the newest kernel
[22:06] <vmware_user> together they did
[22:06] <TJ-> dabomb: your issue is the "Hold until boot process finishes" job is never ending, which tells us something else in the boot process is stuck.
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[22:06] <vmware_user> it still doesn't explain why it worked with one user and not the other though!
[22:07] <vmware_user> but they both work perfectly now
[22:07] <TJ-> dabomb: I'd suggest another kernel command-line option instead of acpi_osi, to get full debug info. Remove any "quiet" and "splash" and add systemd.log_level=debug
[22:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: are you there?
[22:08] <Aises> yes
[22:08] <dabomb> TJ-, will it just output to the screen? will i be able to save it?
[22:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: what does the prompt say?
[22:09] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd: just like in the image i sent you
[22:09] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd:  it looks like this https://i.stack.imgur.com/G96N9.jpg
[22:09] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd:  then i type 'exit' to halt it and the 'normal' grub to select the OS appears
[22:09] <Aises> it's like duplicated, 2 grubs
[22:09] <TJ-> dabomb: to screen, but when it gets stuck you should have a screen full of messages showing what is running
[22:09] <Aises> or no idea, i don't get it
[22:10] <TJ-> dabomb: at the moment all the useful logging is being suppressed for "prettiness" reasons
[22:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: thats definitely the grub rescue
[22:10] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd: sorry, i'm starting with ubuntu :/
[22:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: I will help you fix this
[22:10] <Aises> thanks
[22:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: how many OS do you have, total
[22:10] <Aises> Windows 10 and Ubuntu
[22:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: how many hard disks do you have?
[22:11] <Aises> 2, one SSD and one HDD. Windows 10 is in SSD and Ubuntu is in one partition in HDD
[22:12] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: can you paste the output of this command here "sudo fdisk -l" using any paste service like paste.ubuntu.com?
[22:13] <Aises> phoenix_firebrd: i'm using the same PC where it's installed.. how can I do it
[22:13] <phoenix_firebrd> open "start menu" type "terminal" and open console
[22:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Aises: ^
[22:13] <TJ-> Aises: just looked at your issue, I know the cause. This is an installed system?  Is it UEFI? If UEFI, is it Secure Boot enabled ?
[22:14] <Aises> uefi, yes
[22:14] <Aises> TJ-: i dont know the answer to the secure boot question
[22:14] <TJ-> Aises: the issue is the correct root= and prefix= haven't been written into the grub core image or it's environment file
[22:15] <TJ-> Aises: in a terminal do "pastebinit <( find /boot/efi -ls )" and give us the URL
[22:16] <Aises> TJ-:  so I go to the grub command line and i type pastebinit <( find /boot/efi -ls )
[22:16] <Aises> and i give you the URL?
[22:16] <Aises> ok, i try
[22:16] <Aises> i will be back in 5 min
[22:16] <TJ-> Aises: no, not in GRUB, from a Linux terminal in the running Ubuntu
[22:16] <Aises> ah okay
[22:17] <Aises> one moment
[22:17] <TJ-> Aises: no need to do anything in GRUB itself, we just need to change it's configuration using it's Linux tools
[22:18] <marquezini> hey, ubuntu go out of production in 26 of april?
[22:19] <marquezini> and, canonical will stop improvements in visual style?
[22:19] <marquezini> others functions
[22:19] <nacc> marquezini: ... i have no idea what you're talking about
[22:20] <nacc> marquezini: april 26 is the next release of ubuntu (18.04) as currently scheduled
[22:20] <sliv> yup
[22:20] <marquezini> as i try say
[22:20] <Aises> here it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K9SDxGy76N/
[22:20] <nacc> marquezini: perhaps it was a communication error, but "out of production" implies something is ending
[22:20] <marquezini> yep
[22:21] <nacc> marquezini: in any case, you want #ubuntu+1, which you are already asking something in
[22:21] <nacc> marquezini: please don't crosspost :)
[22:21] <dabomb> TJ-, now all of a sudden rebooting no longer halts
[22:21] <TJ-> Aises: that's great, can you now show us the config file content itself? "pastebinit /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg "
[22:21] <dabomb> TJ-, https://i.imgur.com/ApGv0yZ.jpg
[22:22] <dabomb> fails to unmount cdrom it says
[22:22] <dabomb> my laptop has no cdrom
[22:23] <dabomb> TJ-, why is it rebooting fine now that the logging is more visible or verbose?
[22:23] <TJ-> dabomb: right, and it asks you to remove the installation medium (which is the mounted ISO9660 'cdrom' image)
[22:24] <Aises> TJ-:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/chwS3YqHzY/
[22:25] <dabomb> what image? i have nothing mounted other than the usb stick
[22:25] <dabomb> not even a mouse connected
[22:25] <TJ-> dabomb: that is it. It contains an ISO-9660 CD-ROM file-system image which is mounted
[22:25] <jk^> tomreyn, i install the drivers :( but system still doesn't recognize the printer :(
[22:25] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zgs0C8i4r_wHR5SmjxZ6I3oDMRQIoLxe
[22:26] <TJ-> Aises: you see in that grb.cfg it searches for the correct file-system using "search.fs_uuid 908780ee-820c-44ee-9625-2bd693097849 root hd1,gpt4 "
[22:27] <TJ-> Aises: we need to correct that. Can you now show me "pastebinit <( lsblk -f )" so we can figure out the correct value
[22:27] <dabomb> TJ-, ah... ok, so if i just boot normally with no special param setting, then unmount that cdrom first, then reboot it should no longer halt?
[22:27] <TJ-> dabomb: it expects you to pull the USB device - I think it'll then continue, or it may also need you to tap Enter
[22:28] <Aises> TJ-:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gQwbjvjdRb/
[22:29] <dabomb> TJ-, with debug logging, i was able to just press enter on that and it rebooted like normal, did not remove the usb stick
[22:30] <marquezini> i have a bug in linux 17.10 but i think this bug is in my processor, when i run memorytest that resides in boot menu, my cpu freeze when working multithread SMP on BLOCK MOVE test, in only one core  dont freezes.. the freezes that occours in memorytest is like that occours in running the system in normal boot. i think isnt a memory error, a processor error. N3700 p4 dell.
[22:30] <dabomb> as you can see that fail warning/error appears higher up a few lines, so it's already past that when it prompts me to hit enter
[22:30] <TJ-> Aises: that is strange, sdb4 is for root fs and its UUID matches grub.cfg
[22:30] <TJ-> Aises: you know when it drops to the grub> shell, have you done "set" to see what root= is set to?
[22:31] <dabomb> TJ-, hence why i suspect that i need to unmount the cdrom manually while in the session, before initializing reboot
[22:31] <dabomb> will try that now
[22:31] <Aises> TJ-:  no, i didn't try that
[22:31] <TJ-> dabomb: the fail warning is fine, it's there because the USB is still in use
[22:31] <TJ-> Aises: Well, before you do...
[22:31] <TJ-> Aises: ... let me explain what is supposed to happen.
[22:32] <Aises> good
[22:32] <dabomb> TJ-, so it's not like its seeing double? both the usb and a non existing cdrom?
[22:33] <dabomb> the cdrom lives on the usb or it IS the usb?
[22:34] <TJ-> Aises: PC boots, firmware initialises, reads the default entry in it's boot menu, which points to one of those /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/*.efi files. shmix64.efi if in Secure Boot mode, grubx64.efi otherwise. Those are GRUB's "core image" - it's main kernel code. That should then read the grub.cfg file in that directory, execute the commands to set root and prefix correctly, then do "insmod normal" "normal" to run
[22:34] <TJ-> the Linux root file-system's /boot/grub/grub.cfg (not /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg)
[22:35] <TJ-> Aises: so, either grubx64.efi/shimx64.efi isn't reading the grub.cfg in the same directory, and therefore not setting the values, OR, it does, but then isn't doing the "insmod normal" and/or "normal" commands
[22:36] <TJ-> Aises: I think earlier you said when at the "grub>" shell you do "exit" and it continues to run normally, is that correct?
[22:36] <Aises> yes
[22:36] <Aises> when i type 'exit' it exists from the command line, i see the motherload screen again and i can select the OS
[22:36] <Aises> in a new grub screen
[22:37] <Aises> just like here https://snag.gy/hPVenv.jpg
[22:38] <TJ-> dabomb: the USB contains the ISO-9660 file-system image. ISO-9660 is the file-system for CD/DVD devices
[22:38] <TJ-> Aises: Oh, that's different, that tells me "exit" is actually quitting GRUB and returning to the firmware, which then loads GRUB again and then it works. Weird. Let's collect some more info: "pastebinit <( sudo efibootmgr -v )"
[22:39] <Aises> TJ-:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dC93rQyxFp/
[22:40] <Aises> it's like: 1. Motherload. 2. Grub command line. 3. I type exit. 3. Motherload. 4. Grub where I can select the OS
[22:40] <TJ-> Aises: yes, which is where you should get to the first time! Next time yo do a reboot and it drops to the "grub>" shell, first type 'set' and note down what root= and prefix= are set to, then try getting to the menu directly by doing "insmod normal" then "normal" and report back
[22:40] <TJ-> Aises: here's what the efibootmgr tells me...
[22:43] <dabomb> TJ-, you were right, /cdrom is the mount point for the live system
[22:43] <TJ-> Aises: The default boot entry is 0007, which is Boot0007, Ubuntu, using the shimx64.efi GRUB boot loader. That means Secure Boot is being used. You've got another, non Secure Boot0008 entry too. So I'd also suggest a test where you enter Firmware Setup and disable Secure Boot, then when you boot press the key that gets you the Firmware's manual boot entry menu, and choose the 2nd "ubuntu" entry (which should
[22:43] <TJ-> be 0008) and see if it behaves differently
[22:43] <dabomb> i was unable to unmount it
[22:43] <TJ-> dabomb: Right, because it's in use, processes are running from it
[22:44] <TJ-> dabomb: in the ISO image is filesystem.squashfs which is the live root file-system
[22:44] <dabomb> TJ-, so how do you explain all of this? why does it not just reboot like normal, without adding the debug logging params?
[22:44] <Aises> TJ-:  so firstly, i disable secure boot and i reboot so see if the command line screen still shows up?
[22:45] <dabomb> TJ-, and why do i not run into this problem when i write the bootable media using rufus and iso write mode?
[22:45] <dabomb> what's different about iso vs. dd write mode? is it that dd makes the system think that it is in fact a cdrom?
[22:46] <TJ-> dabomb: well, I've found the adding debug logging slows things down, so it's probably revealing a timing related race condition
[22:46] <Aises> TJ-:  i haven't 2 ubuntu entries where i select the OS
[22:47] <Aises> i see only 1 'Ubuntu'
[22:47] <TJ-> Aises: yes, disable Secure Boot, but as I said, trigger the PC's manual boot entry selector and select the 2nd "ubuntu" entry (which should be grubx64.efi internally)
[22:47] <TJ-> Aises: is that with Secure Boot disabled?
[22:47] <Aises> no
[22:47] <dabomb> TJ-, interesting... so without debugging on some process sort finishes before its due time?
[22:47] <Aises> TJ-:  how do i do the manual boot?
[22:48] <TJ-> Aises: I'd expect to only see 1 'ubuntu' when in Secure Boot mode, but to see 2 when S.B. is disabled
[22:48] <Aises> TJ-: ok, so i select the grubx64.efi entry and then i come back?
[22:48] <TJ-> Aises: Every PC is different, but there's usually a hotkey to press to bring up the manual boot device menu. Often the keys to press are displayed on-screen briefly at the very start... maybe f2 or f8 or f10
[22:49] <dabomb> but i am still puzzled by the way the dd write mode causes all this trouble, causing the uefi system in uefi mode (asus) not to reboot without debugging on, and the bios system (gigabyte) to halt in the middle of a post test
[22:49] <TJ-> Aises: you won't see "grubx64.efi" you'll only see "ubuntu" - but you should see 2 entries called "ubuntu" when Secure Boot is disabled, and if so, choose the 2nd of them
[22:50] <TJ-> dabomb: there was a systemd-init system race condition causing this but I'm not sure which Ubuntu ISOs have the fix
[22:51] <Aises> TJ-:  atm it's like LEGACY+UEFI, it's msi
[22:51] <stanford_AI> do you know how to stream webrtc from /dev/video0 ?
[22:52] <TJ-> Aises: from what I've seen so far all your boot's are in UEFI mode
[22:53] <dabomb> TJ-, let me know if you find any other isos i can try, or even a bug report or a forum thread on this problem, i would like to read it
[22:53] <dabomb> TJ-, thank you for your help!
[22:54] <Aises> TJ-:  i'm gonna try it
[22:54] <Aises> so when i get in the second ubuntu i come here?
[22:54] <Aises> or what do i have to do
[22:55] <dabomb> TJ-, good article you had there btw! well written! it made me think... would not have believed that pc hardware vendors would go to such lengths to favor windows over linux, and do such non standard things to the acpi
[22:56] <TJ-> dabomb: this one says the mobo setting the SATA ports to AHCI instead of RAID mode fixes a shutdown freeze issue Bug #1619844
[22:56] <TJ-> Aises: yes, come tell is if it dropped to grub> shell or booted properly
[22:56] <vacho> how to run command "npm watch" in background, i feel when I close down my terminal (I am remotely connect with ssh), it terminates that job
[22:56] <TJ-> dabomb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1619844
[22:56] <Aises> TJ-:  ok, brb
[22:57] <GautamS> Hello does Ubuntu 17.10 support Optimus?
[22:58] <GautamS> I checked with lspci -k to only see the accelerated 940MX driver
[23:00] <dabomb> thanks TJ-
[23:00] <TJ-> dabomb: there are a few systemd shutdown related issues too, see this list https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/?field.searchtext=shutdown&orderby=-importance
[23:01] <TJ-> dabomb: it would be interesting to know if Alt+SysRq+B causes it to restart or not (that's the direct instruction to the kernel to immediately reboot)
[23:01] <stanford_AI> do you know how to stream webrtc from /dev/video0 ?
[23:01] <bjonnh> I keep having issues with systemd and slapd
[23:02] <bjonnh> "systemctl start slapd" returns immediately (and no process is running) until I do a "systemctl stop slapd" and then a "systemctl start slapd" start slapd properly
[23:02] <bjonnh> nothing weird in the logs
[23:02] <bjonnh> is there a way to debug what is happening?
[23:03] <TJ-> stanford_AI: please stop posting the same question to multiple channels,
[23:03] <stanford_AI> TJ-, they're relevant
[23:03] <nacc> !crosspost | stanford_AI
[23:03] <bjonnh> stanford_AI: not really ubuntu specific
[23:03] <nacc> stanford_AI: as I jsut said in #ubuntu-devel and this demonstrates
[23:03] <stanford_AI> bjonnh, which other channel is best?
[23:04] <stanford_AI> TJ-, ok, where should I ask this?
[23:04] <bjonnh> stanford_AI: ##linux  and #v4l
[23:05] <volty> Hi, I cloned my root partition to an ssd partition, and now have the same UUID. How that? How can I fix this?
[23:05] <Aises> TJ-: Ok, in manual i see 2 ubuntus. 1. Ubuntu. 2. Windows. 3. Ubuntu
[23:06] <Aises> TJ-: but i tried to boot in both ubuntus and both load okay
[23:06] <Aises> i don't get the command line with any of them
[23:06] <Aises> (now i'm in the second one)
[23:07] <Aises> so i dont know why i have 2, and i dont know why both load okay. Theorically one should fail, no?
[23:09] <VjdfMQ> Hey all
[23:09] <VjdfMQ> Ubuntu 16.04
[23:10] <VjdfMQ> Suddenly. Might be after updates. A mouse on laptop stopped working.
[23:11] <VjdfMQ> Logs give: psmouse serio1: synaptics: Unable to query device: -1
[23:11] <TJ-> Aises: OK, the first one is the Secure Boot specific entry
[23:11] <Aises> ok
[23:11] <TJ-> Aises: so I think there's a problem in Secure Boot mode that the grub.cfg file is blocked by firmware since it isn't cryptographically signed
[23:12] <TJ-> Aises: can you continue without Secure Boot for now?
[23:12] <TJ-> Aises: this appears to be an issue caused by your PC's own firmware implementation
[23:13] <VjdfMQ> Also: psmouse serio1: Failed to enable mouse on isa0060/serio1
[23:13] <Aises> TJ-:  so there's no solution?
[23:13] <VjdfMQ> Please, anyone
[23:14] <TJ-> Aises: I'm not sure, I'm asking if any developers have seen this.
[23:14] <Aises> thanks
[23:15] <TJ-> Aises: it certainly seems like the PC is the problem. In the PC's firmware setup menu's, is there a "Security" page where you can enable/disable Secure Boot?
[23:15] <Aises> TJ-: I can choose between UEFI or Legacy+UEFI only
[23:16] <TJ-> Aises: no specific "Secure Boot" option there?
[23:16] <Aises> no, in the old msi yes
[23:16] <Aises> i can sort the devices to boot as non uefi
[23:16] <Aises> but you can't disable it
[23:16] <TJ-> Aises: Oh, it's one of these manufacturer customised firmwares, where they do weird stuff. I'm going to guess this is a firmware issue when Secure Boot is enabled then.
[23:18] <akik> first spotted case of not being able to disable secure boot?
[23:23] <TJ-> Aises: for now leave it in the LEgacy+UEFI mode so it can boot. You should create a big report for this so we can track it and provide you with feedback
[23:23] <TJ-> !bug | Aises
[23:23] <akem> Sometimes on 17.10 when i reboot i got my login screen upside down, i'm using the NVidia drivers, i wonder if i should report it. I rebooted and my screen is back normal without changing anything.
[23:23] <TJ-> Aises: create a bug for the "grub2" package then tell us the bug number/URL
[23:24] <Aises> TJ-:  ok, i'll do it later and i will tell you
[23:24] <TJ-> akik: It sounds like it, or some weird behaviour by the FW anyhow
[23:24] <Aises> it's very late atm
[23:24] <Aises> TJ-:  thank you so much for your time
[23:24] <TJ-> Aises: it's gone midnight here
[23:24] <Aises> :)
[23:24] <Aises> yes, here too
[23:24] <akik> Aises: did you set the admin password in uefi. i think that's needed some times to disable secure boot
[23:24] <Aises> no i didnt
[23:24] <TJ-> Aises: only needs 5 minutes to create the bug, please do it now, whilstI have Ubuntu developer's interested in it
[23:25] <Aises> TJ-:  what do I have to write exactly in the bug? Because i dont know how to explain it
[23:26] <TJ-> Aises: Minimal for now, I can flesh it out. Title "Drops to grub> prompt in Secure Boot Mode" then a couple of lines basically repeating that, then give us the bug reference and I'll add all the pastebin info and so on to the bug
[23:27] <Aises> TJ-:  it says 'grub2 (not installed)'
[23:27] <Aises> is it normal?
[23:28] <Aises> i click send anyway?
[23:28] <TJ-> Aises: start here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+filebug
[23:28] <Aises> ok
[23:31] <TJ-> Aises: when you've reported the bug one last pastebin please: "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[23:33] <tsuzuku_> Hello I can trying to install a software using an apt link, however software center just launches and says don't know how to handle apt links. Here is the software I wish to install. http://www.getdeb.net/app/Polybar
[23:34] <Aises> i'm writing the bug
[23:34] <brainwash> !info polybar
[23:34] <akem> Damn, i need a launchpad account with a pgp key to file a bug @ Ubuntu :/
[23:34] <mrchairman> Starbucks changed how it does its wifi portal and now I can't log in, on 17.04, anyone else suffer from this deadly scourge?
[23:35] <nacc> mrchairman: 17.04 is eol, you should upgrade asap
[23:35] <nacc> akem: i don't think you need a pgp key
[23:35] <nacc> akem: but i'm not 100%
[23:35] <nacc> brainwash: no such package in ubuntu
[23:36] <Aises> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1761336
[23:36] <brainwash> nacc: why do repeat what the bot already said?
[23:36] <TJ-> Aises: when you've reported the bug one last pastebin please: "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[23:36] <Aises> yes
[23:36] <nacc> brainwash: i meant, not just in artful, in any ubuntu
[23:36] <mrchairman> mabye i should upgrade, but i'd rather just ride this wave
[23:36] <nacc> mrchairman: you haven't received any security updates (incl. for spectre/meltdown) for a while now
[23:37] <Aises> TJ-:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wzzKCJgj52/
[23:37] <mrchairman> nacc: good point
[23:38] <tsuzuku_> @brainwash, how should i proceed in trying to install polybar in artful then?
[23:39] <TJ-> Aises: thank you! I've added the files as attachments to the bug and I'll let other dev's know and we'll follow up in the bug report
[23:39] <SlidingHorn> tsuzuku_, You can, but it's not supported here
[23:39] <Aises> TJ-: yes, i see. Thank you so much :)
[23:40] <TJ-> Aises: it could take a while but you can communicate through the bug now
[23:41] <Aises> ok
[23:41] <TJ-> Aises: you may get asked for more information and logs etc
[23:41] <Aises> i'll be checking it
[23:41] <TJ-> Aises: you can sleep now :)
[23:42] <Aises> haha, yes
[23:42] <Aises> thank you agan
[23:42] <Aises> good night, TJ-  :)
[23:42] <TJ-> g'night
[23:57] <VjdfMQ> Anyone ?Hey all
[23:58] <VjdfMQ> Touchpad and trackball just stopped working. SUddenly.
[23:59] <VjdfMQ> So. I've restart psmouse via modprobe and it started to work, but now buttons Left and Right and the Trackball don't work
[23:59] <VjdfMQ> Only multitouch works
[23:59] <VjdfMQ> After reboot. All the same.