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| jibel | Good morning | 06:15 |
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| duflu | Morning jibel | 06:30 |
| jibel | Hi duflu | 06:31 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:42 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:03 |
| duflu | Hi didrocks, seb128 | 07:06 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, how are you? | 07:07 |
| duflu | seb128, dazed and confused. That massive memory leak I was working on is gone. So now switching tasks | 07:07 |
| duflu | You? | 07:07 |
| didrocks | hey duflu, re seb128 | 07:10 |
| * duflu wanders off for a little | 07:11 | |
| seb128 | duflu, some update resolved it? | 07:12 |
| duflu | seb128, no I can't see any updates | 07:24 |
| seb128 | weird :/ | 07:24 |
| duflu | I am seeing "smaller" leaks of 0.5-1MB but those are much smaller than my original focus | 07:25 |
| duflu | And then sncf emails me to try and sell Summer holidays in France. Sounds good | 07:27 |
| Nafallo | morning | 07:27 |
| duflu | Morning Nafallo | 07:27 |
| Nafallo | would it be a bug if gnome-initial-setup show the installed app in the suggested apps as well? | 07:28 |
| seb128 | Nafallo, I don't know, that's a question for robert_ancell | 07:30 |
| Nafallo | user experience? *shrugs* | 07:31 |
| robert_ancell | Nafallo, that was raised but I'm not sure what the conclusion was. | 07:31 |
| Nafallo | I just found it odd :-) | 07:31 |
| robert_ancell | I'll let design decide - note of course you tend to only see this after an install, so you're not likely to see any overlaps. | 07:31 |
| Nafallo | unless I pre-seed stuff ;-) | 07:32 |
| robert_ancell | indeed :) | 07:32 |
| Nafallo | other than that it looks good. couldn't test the livepatch stuff, since I've already used up my member entitlements :-) | 07:33 |
| Nafallo | hehe. metrics.ubuntu.com doesn't exist yet :-) | 07:34 |
| didrocks | yep | 07:37 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:40 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN | 07:41 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN, en forme ? | 07:41 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks, seb128 | 07:41 |
| oSoMoN | daughter was sick so that was a tough night, but it's over :) | 07:42 |
| oSoMoN | how are you guys? | 07:42 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit sick but otherwise good | 07:43 |
| didrocks | getting in better shape little by little :) | 07:43 |
| duflu | Hi oSoMoN | 07:53 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 07:53 |
| Laney | hey | 08:02 |
| oSoMoN | hey Laney | 08:03 |
| didrocks | good morning Laney | 08:06 |
| seb128 | good morning u.k | 08:07 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke Laney | 08:07 |
| Laney | hey oSoMoN didrocks seb128 | 08:07 |
| Laney | what's new? | 08:07 |
| seb128 | it's cold & windy, not supposed to be like this in april! | 08:08 |
| Laney | sun here! | 08:08 |
| Nafallo | weekend should be alright here. between 2-10°. | 08:08 |
| Nafallo | camping weather :-) | 08:08 |
| willcooke | morning. | 08:10 |
| didrocks | hey hey willcooke | 08:10 |
| willcooke | blurgh | 08:10 |
| oSoMoN | hey willcooke | 08:11 |
| Nafallo | hey willcooke :-) | 08:12 |
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| duflu | Morning willcooke | 08:14 |
| duflu | and morning Laney | 08:14 |
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| jibel | willcooke, I'm all done with the review of beta 2. 2 majors issues: 1. Cannot upgrade from ubiquity 2. No screen reader support | 10:18 |
| jibel | major* | 10:18 |
| sil2100 | jibel: \o/ I guess 2. isn't a blocker for final beta as well? | 10:18 |
| jibel | sil2100, none of them are | 10:21 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, I knew 1. wasn't, just making sure about 2. | 10:23 |
| willcooke | thanks a lot jibel, good work | 10:27 |
| willcooke | jibel, screenread from the installer? | 10:28 |
| jibel | willcooke, yes, the shortcut to activate it doesn't work and there is no indicator either in the panel | 10:29 |
| jibel | bug 1741690 | 10:29 |
| ubot5` | bug 1741690 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "You can't enable the Orca screen reader until after you click "Try Ubuntu" on Ubuntu bionic" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741690 | 10:29 |
| jibel | Laney, re fontconfig, would it work to touch the font files when building the filesystem to remove the nanoseconds then re-run fc-cache? | 10:31 |
| jibel | instead of modifying fontconfig | 10:31 |
| jibel | and it'd work on all the flavors | 10:32 |
| Laney | jibel: I'm pretty sure my fix fixes that case too, as it ignores nsec == 0 - so if the argument is that things end up with nsec = 0 on the target then a regen won't be triggered. | 10:47 |
| Laney | Not sure why an LP specific fix is better? | 10:47 |
| Laney | Also I don't know offhand how to do that ... | 10:48 |
| * Laney downloads a xubuntu iso | 10:49 | |
| Laney | not that I can get on cdimage for some reason | 10:50 |
| Laney | just having some drama with a leaning fence | 10:55 |
| seb128 | jibel, would be interesting to try the screenreader with the fontconfig fix | 11:12 |
| didrocks | seb128: it was happening in 17.10 from what we got told, so few chances… | 11:15 |
| seb128 | weird, I though we fixed it in N-Y | 11:15 |
| didrocks | maybe the bug was simply not closed? | 11:19 |
| seb128 | could be, but it's buggy for sure now in bionic | 11:19 |
| didrocks | but IIRC I asked the reporter to try a 17.10 iso and he confirmed it didn't work | 11:19 |
| seb128 | I'm going to wait for that fontconfig fix in any case | 11:20 |
| didrocks | yeah | 11:20 |
| jibel | seb128, yes, I suppose the shortcut don't work because gsd services are timeout, like the terminal shortcut for example | 11:23 |
| seb128 | right | 11:24 |
| jibel | sil2100, there is something else, there is no maybe-ubiquity mode | 11:37 |
| jibel | could someone with a bios machine boot latest bionic iso and tell if they see the try/install screen? | 11:38 |
| jibel | I just have an uefi machine and in a VM it always shows me the syslinux menu | 11:39 |
| seb128 | I do under virtualbox | 11:39 |
| seb128 | I can try in a bit | 11:39 |
| jibel | seb128, the boot menu is not displayed in vbox and it boots to ubiquity-dm? | 11:40 |
| seb128 | I get the menu but that iso might be some days old | 11:40 |
| seb128 | is that a recent issue? | 11:40 |
| jibel | idk, I rarely boot without pressing a key | 11:43 |
| seb128 | jibel, dunno if the comment from Steve on https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubiquity/getties-and-ubiquity-dm/+merge/342716 has to do with your issue | 11:45 |
| seb128 | or if he was trying to debug that | 11:45 |
| didrocks | sounds the second to me | 11:46 |
| seb128 | right, I was not suggesting the code change there has to do the issue | 11:46 |
| seb128 | rather I wonder if his " OTOH it doesn't look like the current Ubuntu ISO does maybe-ubiquity on its own" is stating the same problem | 11:47 |
| jibel | probably an issue with libvirt. With an older version it boots to ubiquity-dm and does not display syslinux | 11:54 |
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| cpaelzer | jibel: what would you want to be different from libvirt in this case? | 12:05 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, it's like the guest is receiving a keystroke on boot. | 12:11 |
| jibel | which it should not | 12:11 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, I'm upgrading the second machine to the same version of libvirt to check if it's the problem | 12:12 |
| cpaelzer | odd | 12:17 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: libvirt won't send keystrokes, maybe some defaults on the console changed which lead to this new behavior | 12:18 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: once you spot what really happens let me know | 12:18 |
| cpaelzer | libvirt does not interact with the guest console | 12:18 |
| cpaelzer | it only does with the qemu monitor | 12:18 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: is that on graphical boot (e.g. through virt-manager) or a pure console guest (e.g. virsh console)? | 12:19 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, it's a graphical boot. I'll dig further and let you know if I find anything. | 12:23 |
| cpaelzer | pfff - who wants graphic :-) | 12:23 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: looking forward to hear from you | 12:23 |
| flexiondotorg | jibel Home directory encryption is absent from 18.04. Intentional? | 12:30 |
| jibel | flexiondotorg, yes, it's been removed. | 12:30 |
| jibel | flexiondotorg, ubiquity 18.04.3 | 12:31 |
| jibel | * Remove the encrypted userdir option from the gtk installer since | 12:31 |
| jibel | ecryptfs is going to move to universe. The keep the base code in case | 12:31 |
| jibel | the option is added back later using another technology. | 12:31 |
| flexiondotorg | Hmmm, how are OEM installs going to offer data security without home encryption? | 12:31 |
| flexiondotorg | willcooke: ^ | 12:31 |
| willcooke | people will need to manual setup whole disk encryption | 12:36 |
| willcooke | manually | 12:36 |
| willcooke | or move their home dir to another partition and enable ext4 encrpytion | 12:37 |
| seb128 | flexiondotorg, disk encryption | 12:37 |
| flexiondotorg | Fine for individuals. But what about OEMs shipping computers with OME setup? | 12:38 |
| Nafallo | SED drives? just throwing it out there. | 12:38 |
| seb128 | flexiondotorg, talk to the security team, we are not the ones who decided on that change | 12:38 |
| willcooke | flexiondotorg, they can enable encryption after OEM setup is complete in the same way as anyone | 12:39 |
| flexiondotorg | I don't follow. | 12:39 |
| popey | FDE is a very early install step, not typically something done at the end. | 12:39 |
| Nafallo | there's been some work trying to get cryptsetup to encrypt unencrypted installation. I haven't dared tried it yet. | 12:40 |
| Nafallo | flexiondotorg: possibly encrypt it with a passphrase file on /boot or somewhere and then write software that asks the user for a password or two before removing the keyfile? | 12:41 |
| Nafallo | anyway. sort of offtopic for this channel. | 12:42 |
| flexiondotorg | If a vendor perform an OEM install to, ship on laptops sold to customers, and choose FDE the encryption key is known by them. | 12:43 |
| Nafallo | hence why you remove the keyfile after setting the user password(s) | 12:44 |
| willcooke | flexiondotorg, I'm not really up to speed with what the encryption options are. Best to ask the security team | 12:48 |
| flexiondotorg | OK | 12:48 |
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| jibel | cpaelzer, bug 1761497, not urgent | 13:10 |
| ubot5` | bug 1761497 in virt-manager (Ubuntu) "syslinux menu is displayed when a desktop ISO is powered from virt-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761497 | 13:10 |
| jibel | it doesn't happen from the command line | 13:10 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: TBH I'm not sure what to do on this :-/ | 13:11 |
| cpaelzer | do I read this correctly "not all the physical machines running the same version of libvirt and qemu exhibit this behaviour" | 13:11 |
| cpaelzer | that even for you only "some" systems show this effect | 13:12 |
| cpaelzer | even being on the same versions? | 13:12 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, yes, it's weird. I uninstalled/reinstalled the vm stack and no change. The machines I tried have different graphics chipset | 13:13 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: well the virtual graphic should not change | 13:13 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: when you say "started with virsh start" does that mean with a pure text console? | 13:14 |
| cpaelzer | like with "virsh start --console" | 13:14 |
| jibel | it is not blocking anything, just annoying | 13:14 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, yes, virsh start <domain> | 13:15 |
| cpaelzer | jibel: but from commandline still gives you a graphical view? | 13:16 |
| cpaelzer | ubiquity-dm was the nice graphical prompt right? | 13:17 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, ubiquity-dm is the ubiquity dialog with a list of languages and the options try or install ubuntu. It's the first thing a user should see if he doesn't press key during boot | 13:18 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, otherwise if you press a key on the aubergine screen with a small keyboard icon at the bottom it proposes several other options and it's in text mode. | 13:19 |
| jibel | cpaelzer, that's what I get even without pressing any key | 13:20 |
| jibel | but really don't spend time on this, I can use the command line | 13:20 |
| jibel | willcooke, I'm going to mark ubuntu desktop ready to release. Any objection? | 13:33 |
| willcooke | jibel, +1 thanks | 13:34 |
| acheronuk | so ecryptfs-utils has dropped off all the isos, meaning the encrypt home folder checkbox for KDE front end can't work? | 13:35 |
| seb128 | acheronuk, right, if you want to keep providing that feature I guess you need to make -kde depends on it | 13:35 |
| acheronuk | seb128: the bug says it's buggy. problematically so? if you know that is | 13:36 |
| acheronuk | I don't want to add something back that is likely not supportable | 13:37 |
| seb128 | acheronuk, well, we removed the depends so up to you to remove the option as well or add back the depends | 13:37 |
| acheronuk | I'll investigate. thanks | 13:37 |
| seb128 | yw | 13:39 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Mystery with deactivated templates resolved. Gabor hasn't replied yet, though. | 13:47 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj,hey, I saw that! | 13:47 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Do you have an idea off hand which packages in universe make use of the language packs? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | no | 13:49 |
| GunnarHj | :( | 13:49 |
| seb128 | why? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | to know if there are enabled? | 13:49 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: If their templates were deactivated, the translations will disappear for the users at next full langpack update. | 13:50 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, then we can diff the langpacks, enable those back and do another langpack update | 13:53 |
| seb128 | or ask on #ubuntu-devel if somebody knows how to query for packages using that tag in their control | 13:53 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: The latter sounds promising. | 13:54 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: too bad we don't have something like for Ubuntu: https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack | 13:56 |
| seb128 | L_aney set up one a while ago but I guess that didn't get maintained | 13:57 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Wow! One first thing to do is to check whether the templates for those packages are up and running. | 13:57 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: that list is very incomplete for what you want though | 13:58 |
| jbicha | it won't have any of the Unity packages! | 13:58 |
| seb128 | jdstrand used to have a scrip that does grep through the archive, unsure if he still has it | 13:58 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: I know. But it's a starter. And we are dealing with Unity separately anyway. | 13:59 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha, seb128: Could bring back template for evolution by help of that Debian search. | 14:46 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: ? | 14:46 |
| jbicha | I thought evolution was already in the langpacks | 14:47 |
| jbicha | that was our intent at least! | 14:47 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: It is. The problem is (was) that the template got deactivated by mistake. | 14:47 |
| jbicha | I have been confused by the langpacks for years. Guess I'm still going to be confused :( | 14:48 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: For context on the present archive wide issue: | 14:49 |
| GunnarHj | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2018-April/007474.html | 14:49 |
| Laney | I seem to remember there being a text file or something | 14:49 |
| GunnarHj | How do we dig deeper into Laney's memory? :) | 14:51 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Have they replaced <Ctrl>+<Shift>+U with <Ctrl>+<Shift>+E because that emoji thing, even if it's not compliant with the standard? | 15:07 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, the details are in the bugs I pointed out | 15:07 |
| seb128 | but yeah basically | 15:07 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Sounds weird. I'll switch to bionic and test it to start with. | 15:08 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, well it's not going to tell you much, don't bother, I'm handling it | 15:09 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Are you going to bring Ctrl+Shift+U back then? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, go doesn't make small C libraries! libsysmetrics is almost as big as libgtk (5.7M vs 7.1M) | 15:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, there is the Go runtime in it | 15:28 |
| didrocks | (and the stdlib) | 15:29 |
| seb128 | k, makes sense | 15:30 |
| didrocks | we can even embed the python runtime inside the Go runtime if you want more inception :p | 15:31 |
| didrocks | (but then python is single-threaded due to their gold locker) | 15:31 |
| Laney | tempted to upload my fontconfig proposed patch | 15:54 |
| Laney | and replace / refine it with upstream comments if we get any | 15:54 |
| Laney | any opinions? | 15:55 |
| seb128 | +1 | 15:56 |
| seb128 | I think it's the pragmatic thing to do | 15:56 |
| seb128 | and we need that issue resolved to see if other problems go away like keybinding, screen reader, etc | 15:56 |
| seb128 | also having a not-so-slow iso boot might make other work easier | 15:56 |
| seb128 | the fix also seems to make sense, it's a bit hackish but it should do the job and I don't see a potential problem due to it | 15:57 |
| Laney | ok then | 15:57 |
| seb128 | thx | 15:57 |
| didrocks | yeah, sounds the best approach | 16:09 |
| Laney | done DONE | 16:26 |
| Laney | stupid sun revealed how dirty my screen is | 16:26 |
| willcooke | night all | 17:14 |
| Trevinho | hey Laney can you publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3227 please? | 17:25 |
| Laney | Trevinho: I'm just off, can look tomorrow if nobody beats me | 17:25 |
| Laney | see you! | 17:25 |
| Trevinho | Laney: ah, ok no problem | 17:26 |
| Trevinho | good night | 17:26 |
| Trevinho | kenvandine[m][m]: maybe? ^ | 17:26 |
| jbicha | seb128: can we use https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-initial-setup for packaging since there never was a bzr branch for it? | 18:24 |
| jbicha | oh, I mean I guess we should use the LP thing we did for gvfs | 18:24 |
| jbicha | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+git/gvfs | 18:25 |
| jbicha | there is an outdated ubuntu/bionic branch in Debian I guess I can remove (outdated because I figured out how to sync our packaging earlier) | 18:26 |
| jbicha | and that branch was there because it was allowed to use salsa for universe packages that didn't have LP packaging branches | 18:26 |
| seb128 | jbicha, if the people who work on it know the workflow and agree, I'm not going to contribute fixes via the vcs this cycle if you do that though | 18:59 |
| jbicha | were you planning to submit fixes for gnome-initial-setup? ;) | 19:00 |
| jbicha | we can sponsor fixes this month if you do :) | 19:00 |
| seb128 | well I did a few in the ppa already | 19:00 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I'm just going to dput changes I need don't worry, then somebody can sort out the vcs | 19:03 |
| seb128 | jbicha, check with robert_ancell that he's fine with that workflow though since he's the one doing the active work atm | 19:05 |
| jbicha | yup, I was going to chat with him | 19:05 |
| seb128 | thx | 19:05 |
| jbicha | but time zones :) | 19:05 |
| seb128 | right, well he should be there in a few | 19:06 |
| jbicha | but you won't be hopefully! | 19:06 |
| seb128 | :) | 19:06 |
| seb128 | don't worry I don't plan to join that discussion | 19:06 |
| seb128 | I already stated my position of disrupting workflow at this point of the cycle | 19:07 |
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| jbicha | robert_ancell: good morning. I tried out the ubuntu-welcome ppa :) | 21:07 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, thanks! | 21:07 |
| jbicha | when are we planning to upload it to bionic? | 21:08 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, today | 21:08 |
| jbicha | did you want to use a Vcs for the packaging? | 21:09 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, any proposals? | 21:09 |
| jbicha | you saw Lan_ey's gvfs packaging? a ubuntu/master git branch in the LP ubuntu-desktop team derived from Salsa | 21:11 |
| jbicha | seb128 has said he won't submit any changes to git branches this month but we can adapt his debdiffs or whatever | 21:11 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, I haven't seen that but seems reasonable | 21:13 |
| jbicha | you weren't at his talk in Budapest? | 21:14 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: we didn't decide much how to proceed with that | 21:15 |
| Trevinho | I'm totally in with moving all our bzr branches there | 21:15 |
| Trevinho | as it really improves my workflow | 21:16 |
| Trevinho | so I'll be happy to help with the transition | 21:16 |
| jbicha | Trevinho: it breaks seb's workflow though! :| | 21:16 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: well, we can always make a git hook that will transfer it over bzr xD | 21:17 |
| Trevinho | But really, using git is really easy and it won't take more than 1 hour to get used to this system | 21:17 |
| Trevinho | we should also decide what platform to use | 21:17 |
| jbicha | if he has never used git before, it might take some time as git has odd workflow issues | 21:18 |
| jbicha | I think most of us have been using git for years by now though | 21:18 |
| Trevinho | yeah... | 21:18 |
| Trevinho | i like bzr for some ways, but for sure not the way I can handle the deb branches we have | 21:19 |
| Trevinho | it makes incredibly hard to just add a patch... | 21:19 |
| jbicha | the Debian GNOME workflow is a little more complicated than basic git-buildpackage (and using LP makes it just a bit more complicated) but it's ok | 21:19 |
| Trevinho | That's why I already was use git-buildpackage + bzr for my purposes | 21:19 |
| Trevinho | not having access to the repo makes things harder to manage | 21:20 |
| Trevinho | while having a repo I can write to, or PR against with all the code too, would make things way easier | 21:20 |
| jbicha | Trevinho: have you done git merge proposals using LP before? | 21:21 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: a few times | 21:21 |
| jbicha | is the UI ok compared to gitlab? | 21:21 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: well, gitlab is better to be fair | 21:22 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: I'd use the GNOME one if possible, but not sure they like that :) | 21:22 |
| Trevinho | launchpad is ok anyway, it has better points for prerequisites for example | 21:22 |
| Trevinho | but the ui isn't nice as Gitlab has now | 21:23 |
| jbicha | it's funny because there are 3 of us that have opinions on where we want the Ubuntu packaging and they're all different | 21:23 |
| Trevinho | jbicha: the way I was doing :-D https://gitlab.gnome.org/3v1n0/nautilus/commits/ubuntu-3-26+patches | 21:23 |
| Trevinho | bzr + git | 21:23 |
| jbicha | you want it to be on GNOME, I want it to be on Debian, and Lan_ey wants it to be on LP | 21:23 |
| Trevinho | ahaha | 21:23 |
| Trevinho | well, on Debian, if I can't do much with salsa as a guest, I'd prefer no :-) | 21:23 |
| Trevinho | It's true that launchpad is the natural places | 21:24 |
| Trevinho | I mean we can always have multi-repos around but we should select one for PRs | 21:24 |
| jbicha | we can add users to our Debian GNOME repos | 21:24 |
| Trevinho | and in general where's gitlab is better | 21:24 |
| jbicha | and with gitlab you can always fork and propose merges (like you can on LP or github) | 21:24 |
| Trevinho | anyway, the host and review system is just secondary | 21:25 |
| Trevinho | ok, ok... that's fair for me | 21:25 |
| Trevinho | Having it in debian, I don't know... We can, if they prefer like that to eventually cherry-pick from us | 21:25 |
| Trevinho | not sure | 21:25 |
| Trevinho | I've not hard requireements | 21:25 |
| Trevinho | other than that I don't want bzr for this again .) | 21:26 |
| jbicha | like 80+% of Debian GNOME stuff is in sync between Debian & Ubuntu so we already need to use Salsa to properly contribute during much of our devel cycle | 21:26 |
| jbicha | (the percentage is rough depending on what exactly you're counting) | 21:27 |
| Trevinho | What I need as doing this mix of upstream and downstream work is.. Something I can quickly edit code, or cherry pick from soemthing I already did, and generate debian patches | 21:28 |
| Trevinho | and that's what gbd does | 21:28 |
| Trevinho | A part that I can't pronunciate that f***ing tool :-D | 21:28 |
| Trevinho | gbp pq* | 21:29 |
| Trevinho | I know what it means, but it's the most annoying thing to remember and say ever! | 21:29 |
| jbicha | jabberwocky | 21:32 |
| jbicha | the Debian GNOME workflow sort of forces you to have local git remotes | 21:33 |
| jbicha | so something like gbp pq import; git fetch gnome (if necessary); git cherry-pick foo1234; gbp pq export is pretty nice | 21:34 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: if you weren't at Lan_ey's talk at Budapest, maybe it's easier to just not use a vcs for gnome-initial-setup this month | 21:40 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, I was but I'll probably just upload directly this time and then we can migrate it in later | 21:41 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: I can set up the repo if needed, but I'll let you decide what we do since I expect you're doing most of the packaging this month :) | 21:42 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, if you set it up I'm happy to push to it. You'll probably have to give me a cheat sheet to remind me of the commands :) | 21:43 |
| jbicha | cheat sheet is at https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome/Git | 21:43 |
| jbicha | this is an important divergence from Debian: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/commit/?id=2eb784c29 | 21:43 |
| jbicha | you have to use gbp buildpackage --git-tag-only to get the nice ubuntu/3.28.1ubuntu1 tag since 'debcommit -r' won't give that to you | 21:44 |
| jbicha | and it needs a separate remote for Launchpad so that gets a bit more complicated with pulling and pushing | 21:45 |
| jbicha | it kind of sounds complicated to me even! so I'm ok with you not wanting to mess with it right now | 21:45 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: by the way, Initial Setup uses the gnome-control-center icon basically. Would you be interested in a patch for the .desktop to use Icon=ubuntu-logo-icon instead? | 21:48 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, I don't have a strong opinion on it - I guess it makes sense but should we be able to keep the existing behaviour if not running in standard Ubuntu? | 21:48 |
| jbicha | we don't currently keep the existing pages for non-standard Ubuntu, right? | 21:50 |
| jbicha | we could ship a /usr/share/ubuntu/applications/gnome-initial-setup.desktop to override in the Ubuntu session (like we do with gnome-software and imagemagick) | 21:51 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, we do - it changes the page list based on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP | 21:51 |
| jbicha | we could ship that override in ubuntu-settings to keep the gnome-initial-setup packaging cleaner with respect to Debian and upstream | 21:51 |
| jbicha | oh I hadn't looked at the repo recently :) | 21:52 |
| jbicha | or closely | 21:52 |
| robert_ancell | np, it's all a bit of a last minute hack | 21:53 |
| jbicha | let me work on a .desktop to put in ubuntu-settings then | 21:53 |
| robert_ancell | BOOM, uploaded as 3.28.0-2ubuntu1 | 21:53 |
| robert_ancell | Expected to be fixed a few times before release | 21:53 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: by the way, I filed 3 bugs today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup | 21:54 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, is 1614816 the reason that the language selector is disabled? | 21:55 |
| jbicha | yes | 21:55 |
| jbicha | is that a problem? | 21:55 |
| jbicha | complicated by LP: #1631750 | 21:56 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1631750 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Language installation doesn't work in Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 Settings app" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1631750 | 21:56 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, no, I was just wondering why it was disabled. | 21:56 |
| jbicha | it's disabled in Fedora 28 too actually | 21:58 |
| jbicha | there's two additional issues: it duplicates a question asked in the installer and if gnome-initial-setup is run in its existing-user mode, it can't actually change the system language until log out and log back in | 22:00 |
| jbicha | existing-user is used unless we don't have ubiquity create the first user | 22:00 |
| robert_ancell | ah | 22:01 |
| jbicha | hmm, I'm guessing we can't actually do the .desktop override in ubuntu-settings easily because we don't have ubuntu-settiings set up to be translatable | 22:02 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, thanks for the bugs! | 22:03 |
| jbicha | I wonder how hard it would be… | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | I wish I could edit LP bug comments... | 22:07 |
| jbicha | to be more specific, Fedora disables the language selector in existing user mode only because of those 2 issues | 22:10 |
| jbicha | see vendor.conf which depends on reduce-initial-setup-redundancy.patch at https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnome-initial-setup/tree/master | 22:12 |
| jbicha | that way Initial Setup can be used as Fedora's OEM mode too | 22:12 |
| jbicha | Pop!_OS is the only major distro I'm aware of that really uses gnome-initial-setup's new user mode | 22:14 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: I pushed the .desktop with new name and icon to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/ubuntu-settings | 23:42 |
| jbicha | we don't have to wait for the gnome-initial-setup MIR to upload since that .desktop has NoDisplay=true anyway | 23:43 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, nice | 23:43 |
| jbicha | give it a try and let me know what you think :) | 23:43 |
| jbicha | mean while I verified that gnome-initial-setup keeps the old pages on GNOME. Interesting. | 23:45 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, open for feedback on that - it wasn't clear to me exactly what we should do / I don't want to take away from those who want the vanilla experience. | 23:52 |
| robert_ancell | If it was just a few small changes I think it would be OK, but since we replace essentially all the pages... | 23:52 |
| jbicha | I'll check with darkxst next week | 23:52 |
| robert_ancell | ta | 23:52 |
| jbicha | I guess we could ask Budgie and Unity guys too since they use GOA. It's easy to whitelist additional desktops | 23:56 |
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