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| slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 5 15:01:16 2018 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:01 |
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| slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 15:01 |
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| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther juliank) | 15:01 |
| slangasek | tdaitx slangasek bdmurray rbalint tribaal mwhudson xnox infinity cyphermox sil2100 rcj juliank philroche fginther doko Odd_Bloke | 15:01 |
| slangasek | tdaitx: hello | 15:01 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 15:02 |
| * juliank might get a phone call during the meeting, but hopes not | 15:02 | |
| tdaitx | * OpenJDK 9/10 as default JDK | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - reviewing additional java dependent packages for rebuilds (from debian's pkg-java list [1] | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - investigating openjdk-8 runtime failures when building with source/target 8 using openjdk-9 (LP: #1760359) | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | * OpenJDK 8 security update (8u171) due to April 17 | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - Patching, building & testing | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | - Backporting to openjdk-7 | 15:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1760359 in gradle (Ubuntu) "gradle: "illegal reflective access" with openjdk-9" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760359 | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | [1] https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=pkg-java-maintainers%40lists.alioth.debian.org | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | (done) | 15:02 |
| tdaitx | oh, there are 2 highlights regarding the release of openjdk-8 for Xenial and openjdk-7 for Trusty | 15:03 |
| tdaitx | but I need to write them down | 15:03 |
| slangasek | * short week, off last Thu/Fri | 15:03 |
| slangasek | * driving towards final release: FFes, proposed-migration, etc | 15:03 |
| slangasek | * working on lubuntu critical installer bugs: LP: #1759732 is fixed, LP: #1754174 vexes me | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1759732 in partman-crypto (Ubuntu) "[Lubuntu] Having zram support means that encrypted LVM installs don't work" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759732 | 15:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1754174 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Lubuntu] "Install Lubuntu" fails with several commands not found and permission denied" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754174 | 15:04 |
| slangasek | * various code reviews, including for upcoming changes to kernel packaging | 15:04 |
| slangasek | (done) | 15:04 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | updated PR request with changes to trello bug importer | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | uploaded fix for plymouth --ping bug LP: #1705345 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | worked with webops on Error Tracker mojo spec RT #108968 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | uploaded whoopsie to bionic which will send JournalErrors | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | worked on daisy change to accept only part of JournalErrors | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1705345 in plymouth (Ubuntu Artful) "Installing packages hangs on plymouth --ping" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705345 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | tested daisy & whoopsie change in devops | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | submitted RT regarding staging update of daisy | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | reported apport bug regarding glibc and gdb LP: #1760207 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | reported apport bug regarding bad coredumps LP: #1760634 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | looked for recent 18.04 dupes of plymouth --ping bug (none found) | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | uploaded Xenial and Artful SRUs for LP: #1705345 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1760207 in Apport "gdb sandbox can cause issues with gdb and glibc" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760207 | 15:04 |
| gaughen | o/ | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1760634 in Apport "apport-retrace doesn't check to see if a core file is bad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760634 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | SRU verification (X, A) of LP: #1705345 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | tested rls-bb-tracking bug LP: #1749688 (works good) | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | investigation into LP: #1743108 - set it to Fix Released | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | research into retracer hangs - more old libc6 crashes | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | submitted RT re dumping more old libc6 core files | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | modified daisy to not accept crashes with old libc6 core files | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1749688 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Bionic) "16.04 HWE -> 18.04 = xorg held back (+ partial breakage because of it)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749688 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1743108 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Bionic) "Xubuntu 18.04 "Welcome to Xubuntu" slide shows 17.10" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743108 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | submitted RT and tested staging update of daisy | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | worked on / tested fix for LP: #1739531 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1739531 in apport (Ubuntu Bionic) "apport-collect SHOULD NOT collect gnome-shell command history and favorites" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1739531 | 15:04 |
| bdmurray | rbalint: | 15:04 |
| rbalint | (very short week due to holidays) | 15:05 |
| rbalint | * (highlight) rebuilding ~1300 packages in universe to let -fPIE take effect and fixing some new FTBFSs | 15:05 |
| rbalint | * triaging LP: #1737441, not finished yet | 15:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1737441 in python-apt (Ubuntu Bionic) "/usr/bin/unattended-upgrade:11:__GI___libc_free:operator:__gnu_cxx::new_allocator:std::allocator_traits:std::__cxx11::basic_string" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737441 | 15:05 |
| rbalint | (done) | 15:05 |
| slangasek | tribaal: | 15:05 |
| tribaal | * Easter holidays | 15:05 |
| tribaal | * Minimal images publication to cloud-image.ubuntu.com is ready for dailies! cloud-images.ubuntu.com/minimal | 15:05 |
| tribaal | * (done) | 15:05 |
| slangasek | xnox: | 15:06 |
| xnox | • upload livecd-rootfs, hopefully fixing subiquity slow boot | 15:07 |
| xnox | • uploaded noawait triggers for plymouth related things | 15:07 |
| xnox | • fixup plymouth / casper harder | 15:07 |
| xnox | • working on next systemd upload | 15:07 |
| xnox | • clouds / resolved / etc | 15:07 |
| xnox | • done | 15:07 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | I think Matt is out | 15:08 |
| slangasek | indeed | 15:08 |
| slangasek | sil2100: | 15:08 |
| slangasek | :) | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | Oh, yay! | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - Super short week (holidays + time-off) | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - FFe reviews | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - SRU reviews and releases | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - Kernel reviews and releases | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - Experimenting with a local britney2 setup, reading up on juju | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - Updating cxlflash to the latest upstream version | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - Starting the Final Beta for bionic | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | - Booking hotels | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | (done) | 15:09 |
| rcj | rcj: | 15:10 |
| rcj | * cloud-image maintenance and feeding | 15:10 |
| rcj | * cloud-image minimal image publication development | 15:10 |
| rcj | * livecd-rootfs prototyping for snap preseeding in binary hooks | 15:10 |
| rcj | (done) | 15:10 |
| rcj | juliank: | 15:10 |
| juliank | * fri/monday were holidays | 15:11 |
| juliank | * apport snap integration in proposed (bug 1729491); has a small typo that needs fixup, though | 15:11 |
| ubottu | bug 1729491 in apport (Ubuntu Bionic) "[UIFe] ubuntu-bug says that snap packages are not installed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1729491 | 15:11 |
| juliank | * enabled tests in socat | 15:11 |
| juliank | * fixed my personal annoyance with powertop missing kaby lake fixes by uploading 2.9 | 15:11 |
| juliank | * a lot of weird travel stuff to sort out | 15:11 |
| juliank | * preparing SRU for python-pyvmomi 6.5 to xenial (it built and is installable) | 15:11 |
| juliank | * apt hooks for snap integration ready to write | 15:11 |
| juliank | (done) | 15:11 |
| philroche | * Short week for me due to Easter break | 15:11 |
| philroche | * Deliver early previews of Bionic to public clouds | 15:11 |
| philroche | (done) | 15:11 |
| philroche | fginther: | 15:11 |
| fginther | * Holiday for 2 days | 15:12 |
| fginther | * Image testing automation for a partner cloud now in code review | 15:12 |
| fginther | * Build system vanguard | 15:12 |
| fginther | (done) | 15:12 |
| fginther | doko: | 15:12 |
| doko | - openjdk-10 / openjdk-11 /openjdk-lts reorganization | 15:13 |
| doko | - syncing Java packages, formal FFe in LP: #1760920 | 15:13 |
| doko | - MIR's ... | 15:13 |
| doko | - process NEW sources, left in the queue for two months | 15:13 |
| doko | - archive work: removals, syncs, fixing autopkg test failures | 15:13 |
| doko | - python 3.6.5 in the archive (python 3.7 beta 3) | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1760920 in java-common (Ubuntu) "FFe: sync java packages from Debian to fix OpenJDK 9/10 issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760920 | 15:13 |
| doko | - GCC cross package updates, including fixes for glibc | 15:13 |
| doko | - Still investigate a AArch64 regression in the Linaro toolchain | 15:13 |
| doko | - bash update to work around qemu issue on ARM | 15:13 |
| doko | - launchpad ops now ok with starting test rebuilds, scheduled for Friday | 15:13 |
| doko | (done) | 15:13 |
| slangasek | and Odd_Bloke is out | 15:13 |
| slangasek | any questions? | 15:13 |
| tdaitx | here are my highlights, let me know if I should fill in more detail: | 15:14 |
| tdaitx | [HIGHLIGHT] OpenJDK 8 security update 8u162 has been released for Xenial and Artful | 15:14 |
| tdaitx | [HIGHLIGHT] OpenJDK 7 security update 7u171 based on IcedTea 2.6.13 has been released for Trusty | 15:14 |
| bdmurray | no questions here | 15:16 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Bugs | 15:18 |
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| slangasek | bdmurray: anything we need to discuss here, or is everything now perfectly tracked with nothing to say? :) | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | bug 1761478 just came in but is naming the wrong suspect | 15:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1761478 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "0.9.3-1ubuntu4 broke livecd reboot plymouth in qemu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761478 | 15:19 |
| slangasek | ah? | 15:20 |
| bdmurray | Oh I see the comment about casper-stop now. Anyway seems worth diggin into. | 15:20 |
| slangasek | ah, this was the casper bug that I think xnox was already fixing | 15:21 |
| xnox | i think that should be fixed soon/now | 15:22 |
| slangasek | interesting, xnox: there's your answer, bdmurray broke livecd shutdown display, not us :) | 15:22 |
| bdmurray | xnox: okay please reference that bug in the changelog then | 15:23 |
| xnox | hm | 15:23 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: you were gone last week when we discussed bug 1756595. Should we target that? | 15:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1756595 in apt (Ubuntu) "disk space info inadvertently provides all installed snaps" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756595 | 15:23 |
| tdaitx | doko: slangasek: the pkg list from the pkg-java link in LP: #1760920 lists packages that are not in ubuntu (997 are found in ubuntu, 127 are not), should I add a comment listing those? or maybe attach a file? | 15:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1760920 in java-common (Ubuntu) "FFe: sync java packages from Debian to fix OpenJDK 9/10 issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760920 | 15:24 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: seems like a good thing to take a decision on before release, yes | 15:24 |
| juliank | it's a feature! :D | 15:24 |
| xnox | bdmurray, i think we need desktop respin with new casper.... | 15:24 |
| gaughen | slangasek, bdmurray did a lot of good work to clean up rls-bb-tracking bugs | 15:25 |
| tdaitx | small typo: 996 packages from the 1123 are in ubuntu | 15:25 |
| slangasek | tdaitx: do you know why they're not in Ubuntu? that's a rather high number; are they in unstable but not in Ubuntu? | 15:26 |
| tdaitx | slangasek: haven't look into that in depth, but I saw that some are only in old-stable or so | 15:27 |
| tdaitx | oldstable | 15:28 |
| bdmurray | xnox: Oh, its the fonts on shutdown issue? | 15:28 |
| bdmurray | that's not my fault then | 15:28 |
| slangasek | tdaitx: ok; best to filter out packages from the list that there's no possibility we will be uploading | 15:28 |
| xnox | bdmurray, yeah fonts.... fix in casper and there is another bug report about it. | 15:28 |
| bdmurray | yes, I found it | 15:28 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: are we taking on decision on snaps and df? | 15:29 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: well, I'm saying we should target it | 15:29 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: okay, doing so | 15:30 |
| slangasek | and the decision we take might be to wontfix :) | 15:30 |
| bdmurray | should be an easy SRU | 15:30 |
| tdaitx | slangasek: ack, I will 1) check the ones that are *not* in ubuntu to see which debian release they belong to; and 2) filter out the ones in ubuntu to split them depending on whether they are in bionic or not | 15:30 |
| slangasek | anything else on bugs? | 15:31 |
| bdmurray | there are a whole bunch of duplicates of bug 1745406... | 15:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1745406 in Plymouth "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in script_obj_deref_direct()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745406 | 15:31 |
| slangasek | that's probably a very old bug whose stacktrace signature has recently changed | 15:32 |
| slangasek | I was never able to debug that | 15:32 |
| bdmurray | sure its bug 927636 | 15:32 |
| ubottu | bug 927636 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in script_obj_deref_direct()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927636 | 15:32 |
| slangasek | if someone has a reproducer, that would help | 15:33 |
| bdmurray | I've done some research into it but nothing is obvious. One idea would be to upload a plymouth that'll get more debug information. | 15:33 |
| bdmurray | There's no logging of which script is being processed / used although its likely the ubuntu one. | 15:34 |
| slangasek | ok | 15:34 |
| slangasek | yes, it was definitely reproduced with the Ubuntu script in the past | 15:34 |
| slangasek | anyway I'm wary of committing to it because it was so intractable last time I looked | 15:34 |
| slangasek | I think we have a full plate already between now and release, maybe we should revisit it later | 15:35 |
| bdmurray | Sounds good | 15:35 |
| slangasek | ok, anything else? | 15:36 |
| gaughen | no | 15:36 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:37 |
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| slangasek | and anything else else? | 15:37 |
| sil2100 | I don't think so | 15:37 |
| gaughen | no | 15:39 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 5 15:39:36 2018 UTC. | 15:39 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-04-05-15.01.moin.txt | 15:39 |
| slangasek | thanks, all! | 15:39 |
| sil2100 | Thanks! | 15:41 |
| elopio | elacheche: jose: flexiondotorg: marcoceppi: ahoneybun: wxl: we start in a little less than an hour. | 16:05 |
| elopio | https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-topics-community-council-meeting-20180405/4983/2 | 16:08 |
| elopio | elacheche: jose: flexiondotorg: marcoceppi: ahoneybun: wxl: ready? | 16:58 |
| flexiondotorg | elopio: o/ | 16:58 |
| wxl | elopio: yep | 16:59 |
| elacheche | o/ | 16:59 |
| elopio | cool. I sent an email saying that I couldn't lead this meeting, but it was a timezone mistake. So if somebody wants to take the lead, please say so. Otherwise, I'll go. | 16:59 |
| elacheche | You go x) | 17:00 |
| flexiondotorg | Go for it elopio | 17:00 |
| wxl | not it :) | 17:00 |
| elopio | #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Council, 20180405 | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 5 17:00:37 2018 UTC. The chair is elopio. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:00 |
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| elopio | We start with elopio, flexiondotorg, elacheche and wxl present. | 17:01 |
| elopio | ahoneybun: jose: marcoceppi: one more call. | 17:01 |
| elopio | Here is the call for topics: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-topics-community-council-meeting-20180405/4983/2 | 17:01 |
| elopio | If you have something to add to the agenda, please do it. | 17:01 |
| elacheche | elopio: jose just sent a mail informing us that there was an outage @work.. | 17:02 |
| elopio | ack, thanks jose for letting us know. | 17:02 |
| elopio | Let's start. | 17:02 |
| elopio | #topic Progress from last meeting | 17:02 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Community Council, 20180405 Meeting | Current topic: Progress from last meeting | ||
| elopio | #subtopic Bold bug triaging - @jose | 17:03 |
| elacheche | I'd like to set a date to review all our previous actions, I admit that I am guilty, lazy and sometimes busy and did not get some tasks fully done, but that is a good motivation for me to ask for a meeting to only review our previous actions.. | 17:03 |
| elopio | He's not around. Anybody else knows how this is going, or should we ask for an update on the hub? | 17:03 |
| flexiondotorg | I think jose was going to try and make contact with the LP user in question. | 17:04 |
| elopio | elacheche: ok, let's add it at the end of the agenda. | 17:04 |
| flexiondotorg | Don't know if that happened. | 17:04 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: I tried contacting the LP user. Jose was going to contact the LP admins. | 17:05 |
| flexiondotorg | OK, any feedback from the user? | 17:05 |
| elopio | no reply. | 17:05 |
| flexiondotorg | Right, then we shall proceed with contacting LP admins then. | 17:05 |
| elopio | ok, I will ask him to update the status on the topic on the hub. | 17:05 |
| wxl | i think i mentioned at the end of the last meeting that the way to resolve a malicious LP user is through sysadmin | 17:05 |
| flexiondotorg | Shall I own that? | 17:05 |
| wxl | i confirmed this with the sysadmins last time | 17:06 |
| wxl | they are, in essence, the LP admins | 17:06 |
| wxl | otherwise, we're looking at the likes of the people that administer the LP code and that's not the same thing | 17:06 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: please first sync with jose, to not do the work twice in case he did something already. | 17:07 |
| elopio | but yes, it would be nice if you help us moving it too. | 17:07 |
| elopio | next | 17:08 |
| elopio | #subtopic Triage CoC bug - all CC. | 17:08 |
| wxl | subtopic? | 17:08 |
| elopio | I read the bugs that wxl linked, but didn't do anything about it. | 17:08 |
| flexiondotorg | I haveb't looked at that, sorry :-( | 17:08 |
| wxl | i see nevermind | 17:08 |
| wxl | yes, even i, who brought this up, haven't done anything about it | 17:08 |
| elopio | I want to take an action to turn some of the things into FAQ, as we mentioned before. In askubuntu, with an index in the community hub | 17:09 |
| wxl | my life is almost back to normal after a long barrage of circumstances, so i hope to get on it this week | 17:09 |
| elopio | how does it sound? Anybody wanting to help? | 17:09 |
| wxl | that, itself, sounds like a bug against the CoC. | 17:09 |
| wxl | i.e. that the CoC doesn't adequately explain itself and needs supporting documentation | 17:10 |
| elopio | wxl: can you explain that a little more please? | 17:10 |
| wxl | ^^ | 17:10 |
| elopio | well, I think we need three documents. The text itself, which should be short and concise so people read it. An accompanying document about process, and the FAQ. | 17:10 |
| elopio | if we put all that info in the CoC, it will be too big and not relevant to everybody. | 17:11 |
| wxl | though really the text should answer many FAQs | 17:11 |
| wxl | if there are questions, the CoC itself is incomplete | 17:11 |
| wxl | unless it's related to process, application, something | 17:11 |
| elopio | so, are you against FAQ? | 17:11 |
| wxl | i guess these things can't be really spoken of too generally. it's a case-by-case thing. | 17:12 |
| wxl | i'm ok with a FAQ-- to a point | 17:12 |
| elopio | ok. So this will be part of the triage. Decide if the fix is to rephrase the CoC, add info to the process page, or add an FAQ. | 17:12 |
| elopio | how about that? | 17:12 |
| wxl | yep | 17:12 |
| elopio | I will keep the action from last meeting | 17:12 |
| wxl | do we already have stuff that we think we should add to a process page or FAQ? | 17:13 |
| elopio | #action Everybody on the CC: Review, triage, and fix Code of Conduct bugs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-codeofconduct?_ga=2.196544300.184085878.1522873628-340992262.1504202881 | 17:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Everybody on the CC: Review, triage, and fix Code of Conduct bugs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-codeofconduct?_ga=2.196544300.184085878.1522873628-340992262.1504202881 | 17:13 |
| elopio | next | 17:13 |
| elopio | #subtopic Clearly define governance seats, terms, and quorum - @elacheche | 17:13 |
| elopio | elacheche? | 17:14 |
| wxl | ELACHECHE | 17:14 |
| wxl | :) | 17:14 |
| elacheche | I did not progress in that task really, started reviewing some old wikis, next move is to get in touch with old CC, UMB, LC and ther boards members to ask if they have better information | 17:15 |
| elacheche | wxl: Why are you yelling at me :'( :'( xD xD | 17:15 |
| elopio | Should I keep the action for the next time? | 17:16 |
| wxl | yes. the thing still needs to be done, even without any input from elsewhere | 17:16 |
| elacheche | YES.. I will keep working on this | 17:16 |
| elopio | #action elacheche: Clearly define governance seats, terms, and quorum | 17:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elacheche: Clearly define governance seats, terms, and quorum | 17:16 |
| ahoneybun | here sorry was working on something for work. | 17:17 |
| elopio | #subtopic Bootstrap new, official, Ubuntu flavours - @Wimpress | 17:17 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: ^ | 17:17 |
| flexiondotorg | Yo! | 17:17 |
| elopio | it's your twin | 17:17 |
| flexiondotorg | So, I asked if CC members could come up with 2 desktop environments or "set-top" applications to approach for the 18.10 cycle to invite them to create an official Ubuntu flavour. | 17:18 |
| wxl | aw heck, i forgot about that. | 17:18 |
| flexiondotorg | Not sure if anyone has given that any thought, but here are my two: | 17:18 |
| flexiondotorg | Liri - https://liri.io/ | 17:18 |
| flexiondotorg | Cinnamon | 17:18 |
| wxl | elopio: can you put that on the agenda for next time as a for everyone sort of thing? | 17:19 |
| wxl | i have one off the top of my head: enlightenment | 17:19 |
| elopio | yeah, I found only one, but it's too early. I want to keep playing with them, because it sounds very fun. It's called way-cooler. | 17:19 |
| elacheche | flexiondotorg: I thought about i3 and awesomewm.. It will be interesting to see what "minimalist" apps will be included in a such remix | 17:19 |
| flexiondotorg | Yes, and we know who to contact about that, since an Ubuntu derivative with Enlightenment exsits :-) | 17:19 |
| wxl | assumedly that's wayland, which is something i would agree with | 17:19 |
| elopio | wxl: do you mean the 2 environments as an action? | 17:20 |
| wxl | elopio: that CC members should come up with 2, yes. as a reminder for us :) | 17:20 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: wait, I have another one, plex! | 17:20 |
| flexiondotorg | We decided that approach 2 per cycle was enough, just in case they both agreed :-) | 17:20 |
| flexiondotorg | Plex is a good example, they have server and client. | 17:21 |
| elopio | so let's see. do we have to make a decission now on which two to focus? | 17:21 |
| flexiondotorg | Yes. | 17:21 |
| flexiondotorg | I want agreement today, one the two we will contact and I will take an action to find contacts and reach out. | 17:21 |
| elopio | wxl: so it doesn't make sense to add the action for next meeting | 17:22 |
| wxl | ah ok | 17:22 |
| flexiondotorg | We have Liri, Cinnamon, Plex, Enlightenment, way-cooler so far. I can add more? | 17:22 |
| elopio | I would like liri and plex. But I'm ok if flexiondotorg chooses, as he's been more involved in this. | 17:23 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, which do you like? | 17:23 |
| wxl | i actually like the idea of inviting way-cooler early. they've got some ways to go, but having some people doing cutting edge wayland stuff would be nice. for that matter, enlightment wins there, too. | 17:23 |
| elacheche | Liri isn't an OS not a DE? | 17:23 |
| wxl | that said, i also like the sound of "awesome ubuntu" | 17:23 |
| flexiondotorg | My third choice is Sway. A Wayland *box | 17:23 |
| flexiondotorg | elacheche: Yes, Liri is an OS. But the devs and Ubuntu friendly and who says the OS can't be Ubuntu? :-) | 17:24 |
| elacheche | Was just making sure that I am not wrong :D x) | 17:24 |
| flexiondotorg | elacheche: Which two project do you like most from the list available? | 17:25 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, you too. And ahoneybun. | 17:25 |
| elopio | brb, need to close the door. | 17:26 |
| elacheche | As wxl said, an "Awesome Ubuntu" will be cool to have :D But from your list, I like Liri and Enlightenment | 17:26 |
| flexiondotorg | ahoneybun: I suspect you wanted to nominate Pop!_OS to become an official flavour, right? ;-) | 17:26 |
| flexiondotorg | I like Liri. And I'll go with Enlightenment too. | 17:27 |
| elopio | I'm happy with that. | 17:27 |
| flexiondotorg | I'd love to see a Cinnamon flavour, but let's not eat Clem's lunch completely just yet ;-) | 17:28 |
| flexiondotorg | So we are agreed, Liri and Enlightenment to be contacted? | 17:28 |
| elopio | anybody prefers to go a different way than Liri + E? | 17:28 |
| elacheche | That's good | 17:29 |
| flexiondotorg | OK, Agreed. | 17:29 |
| flexiondotorg | I'll take an action to contact both. | 17:29 |
| wxl | do it | 17:29 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: what would be the next steps? | 17:29 |
| elopio | ahh, sorry. | 17:30 |
| elopio | #action flexiondotorg contact the liri and enlightenment community | 17:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: flexiondotorg contact the liri and enlightenment community | 17:30 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, Liri is a Wayland thing too :-) | 17:31 |
| elopio | please let us know if you need help, and we can split future tasks. | 17:31 |
| wxl | ah bonus | 17:31 |
| elopio | #subtopic Ubuntu guerrilla marketing campaign - @Wimpress | 17:31 |
| wxl | i gathered that from the "feel" of the site but wasn't sure :) | 17:31 |
| flexiondotorg | No need now. If weither say yes, then we have work to do. | 17:31 |
| flexiondotorg | So, the marketing idea. | 17:31 |
| flexiondotorg | I don't think I got pitch this before? | 17:32 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: yes, you have two times already :) | 17:32 |
| wxl | yeah i think you did | 17:33 |
| flexiondotorg | Then I've dropped the ball on that one and need to get the initiative started. | 17:33 |
| flexiondotorg | This is definitely something that need breaking up into tasks for multiple people. | 17:34 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: as far as I remember, the action was to start a topic on the hub | 17:34 |
| flexiondotorg | So I'll post on the hub, tag us lots and we can carve up who does what. | 17:34 |
| elopio | and then we could call artists and other handy people to help us. | 17:34 |
| flexiondotorg | Yep. | 17:34 |
| flexiondotorg | Yep. | 17:34 |
| flexiondotorg | I dropped the ball. I'll kick that oof. | 17:34 |
| elopio | #action flexiondotorg make a post on the hub about the guerrilla marketing campaign. | 17:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: flexiondotorg make a post on the hub about the guerrilla marketing campaign. | 17:34 |
| elopio | thank you, the idea is great. | 17:35 |
| elopio | #subtopic Review the CC wiki pages - @elopio | 17:35 |
| elopio | so, this was super simple in the end. All of the pages that have not been migrated to the hub where about past meetings. | 17:35 |
| flexiondotorg | Good, I thought that was the case after I moved them all over. | 17:36 |
| elopio | we don't need to migrate them at all, I think. They can live forever on the wiki. I just thought it would be nice to make an index, this one could live in the hub and include the summaries of our meetings too | 17:36 |
| elopio | and then I thought some archaeology would be fun. | 17:36 |
| elopio | like, documenting the members of all the past CCs | 17:37 |
| elacheche | +1 elopio | 17:37 |
| ahoneybun | flexiondotorg, an official flavor lol | 17:37 |
| elopio | maybe reading some of these past meetings, if there is a decent summary, to list the biggest accomplishments and challenges. | 17:37 |
| flexiondotorg | When I moved stuff to the hub or saw no value in moving old meeting indexes over. | 17:37 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: you might be right. Anybody sees value on the index? | 17:38 |
| flexiondotorg | -1 | 17:38 |
| flexiondotorg | ahoneybun: Not actually completely joking. | 17:39 |
| elopio | ok, less work. But I would still like to dig a little. I won't take this as an action, but will try to do it as a side project. | 17:39 |
| elopio | fwiw, +1 on popos oficial flavor :) | 17:39 |
| flexiondotorg | Hah! | 17:40 |
| ahoneybun | flexiondotorg, well it is not meant to be a flavor lol | 17:40 |
| elopio | Anybody wanting to report something not already mentioned from the past weeks? | 17:41 |
| flexiondotorg | Yes | 17:41 |
| flexiondotorg | There is an Ubuntu website design change coming. | 17:41 |
| elopio | wooo | 17:41 |
| flexiondotorg | As a result we've been asked to change the sub-domain of the Hub the discourse.ubuntu.com | 17:42 |
| flexiondotorg | And RT has been filed. | 17:42 |
| flexiondotorg | So that change is coming at some point. | 17:42 |
| elacheche | Why? x) | 17:42 |
| elopio | and what will be in community.ubuntu.com? | 17:43 |
| popey | it will redirect | 17:43 |
| popey | (I filed the RT) | 17:43 |
| flexiondotorg | So of the community posts on the Hub will reworked and move back the pages under the community.ubuntu.com website. | 17:43 |
| popey | no | 17:43 |
| popey | thats not whats happening | 17:43 |
| flexiondotorg | Oh | 17:43 |
| popey | the pages will go to ubuntu.com/community :) | 17:43 |
| popey | close though ;) | 17:43 |
| flexiondotorg | That | 17:43 |
| flexiondotorg | I do my best :-) | 17:43 |
| flexiondotorg | Any other questions about the Hub sub-domain change? | 17:44 |
| elopio | I like ubuntu.com/community, and if community.ubuntu.com redirects to discourse, I see no big harm for the hub. | 17:44 |
| popey | yeah, the site itself isn't changing much | 17:44 |
| popey | it's more for consistency, as other projects are likely to grow their own discourse site | 17:44 |
| popey | and the powers that be would like the sites to be consistent | 17:44 |
| elopio | popey: flexiondotorg: I'm guessing a post is coming to notify everybody about the move? | 17:45 |
| flexiondotorg | "others projects" being Ubuntu or Canonical led? | 17:45 |
| elacheche | LoCos maybe? | 17:45 |
| popey | elopio: once its coming yeah | 17:45 |
| popey | but it's in the giant queue of RTs | 17:46 |
| popey | so I dont know when it's happening yet | 17:46 |
| popey | other projects like other products that canonical manages | 17:46 |
| elopio | cool. | 17:46 |
| popey | maybe juju, maas etc | 17:47 |
| popey | I don't know, but that's the idea. | 17:47 |
| flexiondotorg | OK, all done on that one? | 17:47 |
| elopio | Alright, next? | 17:47 |
| flexiondotorg | Yep. | 17:47 |
| flexiondotorg | I have one. | 17:47 |
| elopio | report, or new topic? | 17:47 |
| flexiondotorg | Umm, one of those :-) | 17:47 |
| flexiondotorg | flocculant asked on the Hub about the community donation fund summary being published. | 17:48 |
| elopio | yes, that's the next topic on the agenda. | 17:48 |
| elopio | #subtopic Community donation reports - @flocculant | 17:48 |
| flexiondotorg | So, that ^ is on popey and me. | 17:48 |
| popey | Yup. I didnt have access to the data until recently | 17:48 |
| flexiondotorg | We recently got access to the data we need. | 17:48 |
| popey | We now have that! | 17:48 |
| flexiondotorg | We just need to find time to do it. | 17:49 |
| flexiondotorg | Which is unlikely to be in April. | 17:49 |
| elopio | flexiondotorg: popey: So you need to catch up like 6 months, right? | 17:49 |
| flexiondotorg | So, we can reply to flocculant that we have the data and will post a summary in due course. | 17:49 |
| popey | oh there's a lot of catch up | 17:50 |
| popey | over a year since the last report | 17:50 |
| elopio | yeah, that's a lot. I wouldn't expect you to have it solved this month. But can we say ETA may? june? | 17:50 |
| popey | once we churn out the first few, we should be able to do this faster | 17:50 |
| popey | the week post-release | 17:50 |
| popey | lets commit to that | 17:51 |
| elopio | thanks! And thanks to flocculant for bringing this to our attention. | 17:51 |
| elopio | #action popey and flexiondotorg will catch up with the unreported community donations. | 17:51 |
| meetingology | ACTION: popey and flexiondotorg will catch up with the unreported community donations. | 17:51 |
| elopio | well, unreported sounds bad. | 17:52 |
| elopio | sorry, I can't find a better word that describes this but also makes it clear that I trust you <3 | 17:52 |
| elopio | next | 17:53 |
| elopio | #action set a date to review all our previous actions - @elacheche. | 17:53 |
| meetingology | ACTION: set a date to review all our previous actions - @elacheche. | 17:53 |
| elopio | elacheche? :D | 17:54 |
| elacheche | I think it's a clear task x) | 17:54 |
| elopio | but, I didn't fully understand what are you looking for | 17:55 |
| elopio | like have an extra meeting to review? | 17:55 |
| elacheche | We should review our old tasks and see if they are done, in progress, blocked because of people, like me, bein lazy, or because of external causes, etc.. | 17:55 |
| elopio | yeah, we should have a backlog. | 17:55 |
| elacheche | Like building a report about that, and discuss the report during one of our meetings | 17:56 |
| elacheche | but we should set the meeting date before we actually do that, like saying that we will do the review after 4 meetings from this one or so | 17:56 |
| elopio | so, the fourth meeting will be for reviewing actions? | 17:58 |
| elopio | that sounds good to me. | 17:58 |
| elopio | the next meeting would be the review of march and april actions. | 17:58 |
| elacheche | I said that as an exemple :) But if you folks agree to that, so let's do that | 17:58 |
| elopio | what do you think of a wiki post on the hub that collects all the #actions from these meetings? | 17:59 |
| elopio | we can put a check on the ones that are done, and a one line summary to the ones in progress, blocked, rejected... | 17:59 |
| wxl | that would be good | 18:00 |
| elacheche | elopio: Yeah sure! We should review all previous meetings reports to be able to achieve this task | 18:00 |
| wxl | my only concern is those things that are less public | 18:00 |
| elopio | ahh, that's a good point. Maybe after the meeting is over, we move to the private channel to discuss about them. | 18:01 |
| elacheche | We can ignore to list those wxl and we can discuss them in the ML | 18:01 |
| elopio | popey: flexiondotorg: is there a way to make a topic on the hub that only the CC can see and edit? | 18:01 |
| flexiondotorg | Umm, possibly. | 18:02 |
| flexiondotorg | Let me look into that. | 18:02 |
| wxl | my problem is that we lose track of things (example: recent email following back up the foundation) | 18:02 |
| flexiondotorg | Might require a category. | 18:02 |
| wxl | what about private launchpad bugs? | 18:03 |
| elacheche | +1 wxl | 18:03 |
| elopio | so, any takers for the actions on this topic? | 18:04 |
| elacheche | o/ | 18:04 |
| elopio | #action elacheche collect the actions for march and april, to be discussed on next meeting. | 18:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elacheche collect the actions for march and april, to be discussed on next meeting. | 18:05 |
| elopio | like that? | 18:05 |
| elacheche | OK :) | 18:05 |
| elopio | #action elacheche, flexiondotorg: figure out how to do a private backlog on the hub or on launchpad. | 18:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elacheche, flexiondotorg: figure out how to do a private backlog on the hub or on launchpad. | 18:06 |
| elopio | that one too? | 18:06 |
| elacheche | With LP is straightforward :) | 18:07 |
| elopio | yeah, but there's no way to edit. What I meant was to figure out which one is best. | 18:08 |
| wxl | what do you mean there's no way to edit? | 18:08 |
| elopio | ah, right, we can edit. Well, I have no preferece at all, I'm happy with whatever you decide is best. | 18:09 |
| elopio | sorry, I need to leave right now. | 18:10 |
| elopio | who wants to step up to finish the meeting? I can make the summary on the weekend. | 18:10 |
| elopio | I will let you to it, 'cause I need to run :) | 18:11 |
| flexiondotorg | OK | 18:11 |
| flexiondotorg | Are we all done here? | 18:11 |
| elopio | last topic was mine, so in a hurry: | 18:11 |
| elacheche | I think we can end the meeting, or there is other topics to discuss? | 18:11 |
| elopio | #subtopic Outdated translations workflows - @elopio | 18:11 |
| elopio | #action elopio talk to the translations coordinators and the launchpad team to join the discussion on the hub. | 18:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elopio talk to the translations coordinators and the launchpad team to join the discussion on the hub. | 18:12 |
| elopio | ok, bye, thanks, sorry to leave you like this. | 18:12 |
| elacheche | OK, any other topics to discuss or we can end the meeting? flexiondotorg wxl ahoneybun ? | 18:13 |
| flexiondotorg | Nope. | 18:13 |
| wxl | nada | 18:13 |
| elacheche | OK, let's try to end this meeting, and hope that meetingology will execute the command x) | 18:14 |
| elacheche | #endmeeting | 18:14 |
| elacheche | elopio: meetingology will not listen to me.. | 18:14 |
| elacheche | No ops around that can command meetingology ? wxl flexiondotorg | 18:15 |
| flexiondotorg | No super powers here. | 18:15 |
| flexiondotorg | popey: ^ | 18:15 |
| wxl | #endmeeting | 18:15 |
| elacheche | x) xD | 18:16 |
| elacheche | popey elopio if one of you come around please #endmeeting | 18:21 |
| wxl | i asked at #ubuntu-irc. maybe we'll get lucky? | 18:22 |
| elacheche | maybe | 18:22 |
| wxl | well i'm gonna get some tea and breakfast | 18:22 |
| DalekSec | #endmeeting | 21:45 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 5 21:45:23 2018 UTC. | 21:45 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-04-05-17.00.moin.txt | 21:45 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: A new record for a CC meeting? :P | 21:45 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: our chair left us :/ | 21:48 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Like a wooden chair, or... ? XD | 21:49 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: that certainly would explain a lot | 21:49 |
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