| FurretUber | I've bought a controller (yay!) and I noticed that when I'm playing a game using it, the screen turns off because of the power settings, as if I was not pressing anything | 01:15 |
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| bluesabre | FurretUber: yeah, controller input doesn't register as a power inhibiting event | 01:54 |
| bluesabre | Updated release notes for final beta, https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes | 01:54 |
| FurretUber | Are there plans to correct https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13979 ? | 02:04 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 13979 in General "Some application names are not localized in applications menu" [Normal,Needinfo] | 02:04 |
| FurretUber | For 18.04 release | 02:09 |
| bluesabre | FurretUber: makes sense to. Not sure garcon has a current maintainer, but I might try to resolve it this weekend. | 02:09 |
| bluesabre | Tidied up blueprints a bit | 02:14 |
| bluesabre | nighty all | 02:14 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: thanks :) | 03:53 |
| flocculant | Unit193: grabbed numlockx from -proposed - I assume the update should change the naughty line in 55numlockx? or do we need to do that seperately? | 04:10 |
| flocculant | because if we don't 'need' to - I've got news for you :p | 04:10 |
| flocculant | that said as I wake up - I think my assumption is wrong in the first place ... I now assume that's from one of our xubuntu-* things | 04:11 |
| Unit193 | 55numlockx is from numlockx. | 04:27 |
| flocculant | mmm perhaps it took a reboot then - now see else ... /usr/bin | 04:28 |
| flocculant | if I had a useful laptop I'd check :p | 04:28 |
| flocculant | vm showed change immediately so I guess I was half asleep | 04:51 |
| flocculant | ali1234 bluesabre - re 'someone noticed it in debian in november' so that's around when I first noticed it and asked if anyone could reproduce ... really must ask these things in CAPSLOCK next time ;) | 05:01 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: last ping this morning for you - marked us ready | 05:05 |
| willem | hi all. I'll have time to do some more testing later today. Just wondering what the right strategy is: should I keep testing with the beta 2 ISO as I downloaded it yesterday? Or should I use zsync to keep it up to date? | 06:47 |
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| knome | willem, unless there has been respins, the ISO is the same (that's the whole point of the freezes) | 07:32 |
| willem | I'm new to this, so bear with me: a respin is a new version/build of something? The final beta will be frozen for now? And if there is a respin of the beta that will be announced so that I can update my iso? | 07:51 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built. | 09:52 | |
| bluesabre | flocculant: CAPSLOCK? Did you say something, that's all I was able to read. :D | 10:16 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built. | 10:17 | |
| === TJ_Remix is now known as TJ- | ||
| flocculant | willem: I marked final beta ready this morning - so no more required - and you only need zsync when a respin happens | 16:33 |
| willem | so, no worries then? | 16:34 |
| flocculant | nope - all good :) | 16:35 |
| willem | :-) | 16:36 |
| willem | I'll resume testing the dailies again then, shall I? | 16:36 |
| flocculant | you can have a rest now - the daily is effectively pointless now till tomorrow :) | 16:39 |
| ali1234 | flocculant: i think laney just uploaded the fontconfig patch | 16:42 |
| willem | Is the number of "issues" found in the second beta more or less what you'd expect in this point of time? | 16:42 |
| flocculant | willem: pretty much | 16:43 |
| flocculant | ali1234: ack - just been looking in -desktop | 16:43 |
| willem | good. I´ll be at the piano then... :-) Back tomorrow, end of the day I expect. | 16:46 |
| flocculant | have a good time in between then :)( | 16:46 |
| flocculant | :) | 16:46 |
| enyc | Humm, who shoul be IPv6-enabling the xubuntu services please? | 19:23 |
| enyc | canonical have IPv6-enabled on vairous fty anh otherwise, as well as their 91.189. etc [e.g. for www.xubuntu.org] | 19:23 |
| enyc | the wiki.xubuntu.org, on linode, needs tohe server advin to turn on IPv6 with linode (NB: be careful of IPv6 forward-formimed reverse-DNS to avoid email trouble), and add AAAA-pointers there. | 19:23 |
| flocculant | knome pleia2 ^^ | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | yes, I'm very familiar with using IPv6 on Linode ;) | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | we just haven't bothered since the migration from canonical, I can do it if there's interest | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | the main blocker is that xubuntu.org can't have it (still Canonical-hosted) so I wasn't sure about enabling some of our resources, but not others | 19:26 |
| enyc | pleia2:what!?!?!? caninical have IPv6 | 19:26 |
| enyc | pleia2: e.g. ftp.ubuntu.com all dual stacked | 19:26 |
| enyc | pleia2: you can definitely enabled separate services one at atime | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | enyc: are you sure? the last time I asked they hadn't added IPv6 to the community servers | 19:27 |
| knome | enyc, thing is we have root access to only certain subdomains. | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | enyc: I know I can ;) I do know how to use computers | 19:27 |
| enyc | pleia2: what you must NOT do is create (a) a broken AAAA-pointer (before service ready / consistent ipv6 address /firewall-rule etc working) and (b) IPv6-enable a host without setting up forward-confirmed reverse-DNS on the address (assuming dost requires revers, which is very good practice and CRITICAL for getting emails out especially to gmail) | 19:27 |
| knome | pleia2, maybe we should create a new RT ticket and try? | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | enyc: you're kind of insulting my intelligence at this point, maybe stop? | 19:28 |
| enyc | please try, though i wonder if its' best todo after 18.04 'released' ? | 19:28 |
| knome | enyc, please, pleia2 doesn't need technical advice. as she describes, this is a social issue | 19:28 |
| enyc | pleia2: knome asked about "wasn't sure about enabling some of our resources, but not others" hence giving reasonable answer | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | as knome explains, this is a social thing, not a technical barrier | 19:29 |
| knome | enyc, that refers to what i said; we have root acces to only some resources | 19:29 |
| flocculant | enyc: it's extremely doubtful this would even get looked at by the team before 18.04 is released - we've got a distro to release | 19:29 |
| flocculant | I certainly won't have time to think about it | 19:29 |
| enyc | flocculant: right yes, hence my point about best todo after 18.04 released | 19:30 |
| knome | yes, but even if our team looked at it, it's likely that the canonical IS team will likely not do anything or even reply before release... | 19:30 |
| flocculant | they've got a hugh queue I read elsewhere | 19:30 |
| enyc | knome: right yes nthat makes snes, so make a project issue/diary/alarm/whatever to choose better time to requset it =) | 19:30 |
| enyc | main thing is your project aware of the issue =) | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's something I've spoken to Canonical about before, and we do have the techincal expertise to address, it just hasn't gotten much attention of late | 19:31 |
| enyc | My organizization relevant IS team, simply needed telling about TLS1.0 limit on a key/core authentication system and they quickte quickly tested/fixed it to TLS1.2 enablement, for example. | 19:31 |
| knome | enyc, you could file a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website; no need for the technical details, just mention enabling ipv6 | 19:33 |
| knome | i wish all IS teams were as responsive as yours then, i guess | 19:33 |
| knome | you have to remember they are paid to provide services mostly for other people who are paid | 19:34 |
| knome | community like xubuntu is just a thing they do in the side when they have time (not completely true, but it helps understand the situation we're in) | 19:34 |
| flocculant | well | 19:37 |
| flocculant | that is pretty much the case - just sometimes we manage to make some time | 19:37 |
| knome | well i was about to say "or when there is enough pressure to make canonical look bad if they don't do anything" but i didn't want to be that aggressive... | 19:38 |
| knome | and tbh, that's not correct either | 19:38 |
| knome | there are things that happen very quickly.... | 19:38 |
| knome | (even when they aren't critical to anybody by any means) | 19:38 |
| knome | this is all mostly related to repeating processes though, but still | 19:39 |
| knome | at least they've got something fixed :) | 19:39 |
| flocculant | :) | 19:39 |
| knome | aiui, the IS team is also very overloaded with work | 19:40 |
| knome | but enough of that. | 19:41 |
| ondondil | I just tested the beta iso instalation process. Would it be helpful if i submit the result here? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/388/builds/169633/testcases/1301/results | 19:44 |
| knome | ondondil, yes, yes and yes! | 19:44 |
| knome | (if you don't submit, it's next to useless) | 19:44 |
| flocculant | ondondil: you have to - I closed the beta earlier today :) | 19:44 |
| knome | oh :P | 19:44 |
| knome | it was about versions | 19:45 |
| * knome hides | 19:45 | |
| flocculant | any and all reports of tests are welcome - and I even read the archived ones :) | 19:45 |
| * flocculant can still see knome ... | 19:45 | |
| knome | dang | 19:45 |
| flocculant | :) | 19:45 |
| flocculant | willem: re did you by any chance look at systemctl status system-reboot.service? https://i.imgur.com/mUzRaIv.png | 19:47 |
| akxwi-dave | got a weird bug to post for suspend on lid close for a laptop.. an old core2duo.. just need to check that its not the laptop first | 19:59 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: there has been talk in here for days about some lid close issue | 19:59 |
| flocculant | which has completely passed me by because - no lid ... | 19:59 |
| akxwi-dave | aye.. thats why I ran extra tests :-) | 20:00 |
| TJ- | akxwi-dave: I'm still working on it | 20:00 |
| TJ- | akxwi-dave: is it this? Bug #1759950 | 20:00 |
| ubottu | bug 1759950 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "Lid-close suspend: blank screen when switching to user session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759950 | 20:00 |
| akxwi-dave | nope this is really weird.. when i open it teh screen is all blue and when I move the mouse it sort of moves another bl;ue screen up and down screen | 20:02 |
| akxwi-dave | hang on i'll video it | 20:02 |
| TJ- | akxwi-dave: does it happen if you switch away from the GUI tty before closing the lid? | 20:02 |
| flocculant | knome: if no-one turns up at meeting it's because the time link was wrong :p | 20:03 |
| akxwi-dave | not tried that | 20:03 |
| knome | flocculant, haha | 20:03 |
| flocculant | I only noticed - because utc and uk summer confuses me till about October :D | 20:04 |
| knome | yes... | 20:04 |
| flocculant | then time=utc and I'm cool for another 6 months | 20:04 |
| ochosi | !team | reminder: community meeting in roughly 2hrs | 20:05 |
| ubottu | reminder: community meeting in roughly 2hrs: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 20:05 |
| flocculant | not sure I'll be functioning still ochosi | 20:05 |
| knome | DST should not be used... | 20:05 |
| ochosi | flocculant: anything you wanna mention now so we can carry it to the meeting? | 20:05 |
| flocculant | I took both the links I had on there off - both look soon sorted | 20:05 |
| ochosi | kewl | 20:05 |
| ondondil | okay, so I submitted a passed test result. I'm not entirely sure if I did it right but I hope that helps tho | 20:05 |
| flocculant | thank the new testers | 20:05 |
| ochosi | awesome | 20:05 |
| pleia2 | ondondil: thanks \o/ | 20:06 |
| akxwi-dave | excellent | 20:06 |
| akxwi-dave | o7 | 20:06 |
| flocculant | ondondil: where did you post it? | 20:07 |
| flocculant | and thanks :) | 20:07 |
| flocculant | or are you seanmc ? | 20:07 |
| ondondil | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/388/builds/169633/testcases/1301/results my nick there is imrahil | 20:08 |
| akxwi-dave | where teh best place to post a video? | 20:08 |
| flocculant | internet | 20:08 |
| flocculant | ondondil: thanks | 20:08 |
| akxwi-dave | lol.. (sod off mate.. 😃 | 20:08 |
| flocculant | :p | 20:08 |
| ochosi | akxwi-dave: some ppl use youtube..? :) | 20:09 |
| flocculant | I often use streamable.com | 20:09 |
| flocculant | ochosi: lol | 20:09 |
| akxwi-dave | I cnnt believe I forgot about yourtube | 20:10 |
| flocculant | well you also forgot I'd likely say 'internet' ... | 20:10 |
| knome | ochosi, some people also use 4chan (: | 20:11 |
| akxwi-dave | https://youtu.be/3UcvvfL_2ag | 20:11 |
| akxwi-dave | when reopen a second time the bug stops. | 20:12 |
| flocculant | I've seen that before | 20:12 |
| flocculant | obviously not the youtribe video | 20:13 |
| flocculant | never seen The Photon Raiders though | 20:13 |
| akxwi-dave | ahhh :-) old gaming clanm I used to help run | 20:13 |
| flocculant | :) | 20:14 |
| akxwi-dave | The laptop is a HP Compaq 6730b core2duo P8700 with intel 1625 video | 20:15 |
| flocculant | I think laptop isn't necessarily the issue - I've had that on desktop way back | 20:17 |
| akxwi-dave | sorry Intel GMA 4500MHD | 20:17 |
| akxwi-dave | ahh | 20:17 |
| flocculant | couldn't reproduce though | 20:17 |
| flocculant | it used to just happen | 20:18 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i just found another small icon bug that needs fixing for 18.04 - can we do another xubuntu-artwork upload? | 20:26 |
| flocculant | we can't keep changing the release note you know :p | 20:27 |
| ochosi | hehe | 20:28 |
| ochosi | it's really just a bugfix ;) | 20:28 |
| ochosi | (and it's also unreported, so nothing to announce apart from: we have nicer icons!) | 20:28 |
| * flocculant changes release note to 'Ochosi just keeps on finding icon issues' | 20:29 | |
| flocculant | :D | 20:29 |
| * flocculant goes looking for elusive elliptical circles | 20:29 | |
| knome | i didn't know flocculant was so grumpy and against change that he didn't even allow fixes for bugs ;) | 20:33 |
| flocculant | :p | 20:33 |
| ochosi | hehe | 20:38 |
| flocculant | ochosi: sorry - can't stay awake for another 90 minutes - so I will read the logs in the morning. | 20:48 |
| ochosi | sure thing | 20:48 |
| ochosi | nighty flocculant | 20:48 |
| knome | nighty flocculant | 20:48 |
| flocculant | final beta is likely to be released late 'today' or tomorrow if you want to announce - but frankly I'd rather we didn't advertise milestones - will leave that decision to you | 20:48 |
| flocculant | as long as you make the right one :D | 20:49 |
| flocculant | quick shout to testers | 20:49 |
| knome | would probably make sense to write down some policies on announcement stuff etc. | 20:49 |
| flocculant | mmm | 20:49 |
| knome | the release note/announcement differences too | 20:49 |
| knome | but... later | 20:49 |
| knome | :) | 20:49 |
| flocculant | yea that for sure - should be different | 20:49 |
| knome | they have been too | 20:49 |
| flocculant | anyway - night all | 20:50 |
| flocculant | yea I know :) | 20:50 |
| knome | but good to have stuff documented | 20:50 |
| knome | ngihty | 20:50 |
| knome | and nighty :P | 20:50 |
| flocculant | :) | 20:50 |
| willem | night | 20:53 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.7.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-7-2-released-tp50883.html (by Alex) | 21:38 | |
| krytarik | LP #1685502 has just been reassigned btw. | 21:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1761606 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1685502 Two Wi-Fi network applets appear after logging back into live-usb Lubuntu 18.04 session." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761606 | 21:57 |
| ochosi | !team | final reminder: meeting in <5min | 21:58 |
| ubottu | final reminder: meeting in <5min: akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 21:58 |
| knome | a very brief reminder;) | 21:58 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.6.15 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-6-15-released-tp50885.html (by Alexander Schwinn) | 21:58 | |
| ochosi | :) | 21:58 |
| bluesabre | Nice timing | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | Evening all | 22:00 |
| jd109 | Hello! | 22:01 |
| ochosi | indeed | 22:01 |
| ochosi | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Apr 5 22:02:39 2018 UTC. The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 22:02 |
| knome | hullo | 22:02 |
| bluesabre | hiiii | 22:02 |
| pleia2 | hello | 22:02 |
| ochosi | #chair ochosi knome bluesabre | 22:03 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: bluesabre knome ochosi | 22:03 |
| ochosi | hi everyone :) | 22:03 |
| * bluesabre is wired in at a coffee shop | 22:03 | |
| bluesabre | hi ochosi | 22:03 |
| ochosi | noice | 22:03 |
| ochosi | enjoy that coffee! | 22:03 |
| knome | bluesabre, a coffee IV? | 22:03 |
| bluesabre | Something like that | 22:04 |
| ochosi | #topic Open action items | 22:04 |
| ochosi | are there any..? | 22:04 |
| ochosi | (there aren't on the agenda, but then again) | 22:04 |
| knome | not from meetings | 22:04 |
| ochosi | some coordination regarding social-media-ing of final beta testing..? | 22:04 |
| ochosi | but i presume that has been done | 22:06 |
| ochosi | i noticed at least on the things i use | 22:06 |
| knome | it's past that time, yes | 22:06 |
| ochosi | and this has been a fairly awesome cycle wrt new testers anyway | 22:06 |
| knome | i'm pretty sure pleia2 worked hard to get it done because this time i didn't do anything :) | 22:06 |
| ochosi | hehe | 22:06 |
| ochosi | well done pleia2 | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:06 |
| knome | not that i do anything else than twitter anyway... :P | 22:06 |
| pleia2 | and thanks to flocculant for reminding me to do the things ;) | 22:06 |
| ochosi | good teamwork then (knome doing nothing, flocculant doing the reminding and pleia2 doing all the work) | 22:06 |
| pleia2 | lol | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | lol | 22:06 |
| knome | well i didn't step on anybody's toes or tell them they did it wrong...! | 22:06 |
| ochosi | anyway, if there are no open action items i'll move along | 22:06 |
| knome | ack from me | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | carry on | 22:07 |
| ochosi | #topic Updates and Announcements | 22:07 |
| ochosi | btw, i forgot... | 22:07 |
| knome | #undo | 22:07 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: TOPIC | 22:07 |
| knome | there you go ;) | 22:07 |
| ochosi | who's all here? | 22:07 |
| ochosi | jd109: wanna introduce yourself? | 22:08 |
| ochosi | or any other new faces? | 22:08 |
| jd109 | Hi | 22:08 |
| jd109 | what to say | 22:08 |
| knome | (those who haven't typed anything, just make any noise now) | 22:08 |
| jd109 | How is everyone doing | 22:08 |
| jd109 | I am one of the wallpaper submitters | 22:08 |
| ochosi | ah cool | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | Fantastic | 22:08 |
| ochosi | submitters or also winners? | 22:08 |
| ochosi | (great in any case!) | 22:08 |
| jd109 | have the winners been announced? | 22:09 |
| ochosi | i think so - knome ? | 22:09 |
| pleia2 | no, but we've reached out to them | 22:09 |
| ochosi | right | 22:09 |
| ochosi | that's what i meant | 22:09 |
| jd109 | I have been keeping an eye out | 22:09 |
| pleia2 | alas, if you haven't heard from us, you are not one of the finalists | 22:09 |
| Unit193 | WHich one(s) did you submit? | 22:09 |
| jd109 | lol | 22:09 |
| pleia2 | but the competition this time was fierce, we've never had so many high quality submissions | 22:09 |
| pleia2 | it was hard deciding | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, it was pretty great | 22:10 |
| jd109 | um quite a few | 22:10 |
| jd109 | the arch | 22:10 |
| jd109 | the opera house | 22:10 |
| jd109 | the flowers in the tea house | 22:10 |
| jd109 | Pilatus | 22:10 |
| knome_web | i hit some lag that might mean i need to use this webclient... | 22:10 |
| jd109 | and sesto | 22:10 |
| jd109 | just those 5 | 22:11 |
| ochosi | alrighty | 22:11 |
| jd109 | yeah there were lots of good submissions | 22:12 |
| ochosi | anyway, thanks for showing up and we're glad if you wanna stick around! | 22:12 |
| jd109 | thanks | 22:12 |
| knome_web | did i miss the #subtopic? | 22:12 |
| ochosi | there are lots of ways to contribute - not just wallpapers ;) | 22:12 |
| jd109 | I agree I have been testing the latest iso too | 22:12 |
| ochosi | knome_web: not really, i didn't want to discuss the walls really, just have jd109 introduce himself | 22:12 |
| knome_web | aha, goodie :) | 22:12 |
| ochosi | that's great | 22:13 |
| ochosi | testing helps a lot too | 22:13 |
| knome_web | (there i go!) | 22:13 |
| ochosi | anyway, let's move the meetnig along a bit | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | jd109: the perspective on the arch one is really awesome btw :) | 22:13 |
| ochosi | #topic Updates and Announcements | 22:13 |
| knome | &n | 22:13 |
| knome | not that. | 22:13 |
| jd109 | thanks! | 22:13 |
| knome | but hello from here again... | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | hello again knome | 22:13 |
| ochosi | #subtopic Wallpaper contest results | 22:13 |
| ochosi | knome: you're on | 22:14 |
| knome | great! | 22:14 |
| knome | so | 22:14 |
| knome | since i'm going to post to our blog soon, no spoiling here, but: | 22:14 |
| knome | #info We have 6 winning wallpapers from 6 different contestants! | 22:14 |
| ochosi | \o/ | 22:15 |
| knome | #info We're still working with the contestants, but at least 5 of the winning submissions will be included in 4k resolution (woot!) | 22:15 |
| * pleia2 has envelopes queued up to send them all stickers | 22:15 | |
| knome | #info Blog will be updated soon with winners' names and winning submissions :) | 22:15 |
| knome | yes, we also have the addresses for all winners so we're good to with our prizes as well! | 22:16 |
| ochosi | do we want to make all contributions available somewhere on the website? | 22:16 |
| knome | they are already available on the contests website :) | 22:16 |
| ochosi | oh crap :D | 22:16 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:16 |
| knome | and yes, we will link to that page and for now it shouldn't disappear | 22:16 |
| * ochosi should better shut up | 22:17 | |
| knome | disclaimer: the 4k versions aren't available on the contests page | 22:17 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's fine though | 22:17 |
| ochosi | as long as they are included in the release | 22:17 |
| knome | we'll have to figure out if we want to make them available somewhere apart from the package and its bzr branch | 22:17 |
| knome | mostly a question of bandwidth usage i guess | 22:18 |
| knome | and finally | 22:18 |
| knome | #info A huge thank you everybody for submitting! We had a total of 162 submissions compared to less than 100 last time. We have an awesome (and I hope a growing) community! | 22:18 |
| bluesabre | <3 | 22:19 |
| ochosi | +1000 | 22:19 |
| jd109 | Thanks for running the contest! | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it was really great | 22:19 |
| knome | no problem! | 22:19 |
| knome | that's all from me :) | 22:20 |
| bluesabre | (thanks to the team for getting your votes in a timely manner too) | 22:20 |
| knome | yes | 22:21 |
| knome | next time we will make voting easier... | 22:21 |
| knome | (even easier than it was now) | 22:21 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:21 |
| ochosi | alrighty, perfect | 22:21 |
| ochosi | any other topics for updates and announcements..? | 22:21 |
| bluesabre | Sure | 22:21 |
| knome | f-f-f-freezes | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Release Schedule | 22:22 |
| Unit193 | knome: I kept having to refresh the page for the indicator on each image to refresh after voting yay/nay. | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | #info Bionic Final Beta should be landing soon, today/tomorrow | 22:22 |
| pleia2 | hooray | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | #info Translations are due next week | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | #info Final Freeze is the 23rd | 22:23 |
| knome | there shouldn't be much changed apart from the slideshow? | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | #info Final Freeze is the 26th | 22:23 |
| knome | i mean at least that will have time to land? | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | knome: yeah, will be doing a batch of translation updates this weekend probably | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | And bug fixes | 22:23 |
| knome | ahha | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | #undo | 22:23 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: INFO | 22:23 |
| bluesabre | #info Final Release is the 26th | 22:23 |
| knome | :) | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | Contributors, come and get it :) | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | That's it for dates | 22:24 |
| knome | pleia2, maybe a social media run for making people translate the slideshow? | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | oh | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | one more | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | #info Release Candidate on the 19th | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | knome: if we have some very clear instructions as to how to do this, we absolutely should | 22:25 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so i presume we can still get today's thunar release in? | 22:25 |
| knome | pleia2, we should be able to make it relatively brief... | 22:25 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: pretty sure, yeah | 22:26 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: plus i pushed two small icon fixes today that should also go in | 22:26 |
| ochosi | (small but not irrelevant) | 22:26 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: will take a look and upload sometime in the next 36 hours | 22:26 |
| ochosi | awesome, thanks a bunch | 22:26 |
| ochosi | anything else regarding the release schedule? | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | Nope | 22:27 |
| ochosi | k, any other subtopics for "updates and announcements"? | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | None from me | 22:28 |
| knome | i don't think - yet | 22:28 |
| knome | either on the last meeting of the cycle or first after | 22:28 |
| knome | :) | 22:28 |
| ochosi | Unit193, pleia2 ? | 22:28 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Hi! | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | nothing from me | 22:29 |
| ochosi | :] | 22:29 |
| knome | or the hiding krytarik | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | :D | 22:29 |
| Unit193 | Well, there's the new thunar we should try and "slip" in. | 22:29 |
| Unit193 | Oh, numlockx is fixed. | 22:29 |
| bluesabre | hooray! | 22:29 |
| ochosi | @lurkers: rise from ye dwellings! | 22:29 |
| ochosi | noice | 22:30 |
| ochosi | alright then | 22:30 |
| ochosi | #topic Discussion | 22:31 |
| ochosi | #subtopic Icon changes after UIF (ochosi) | 22:31 |
| ochosi | so i just briefly wanted to run something by you | 22:31 |
| ochosi | there have been a few changes in our icon theme's upstream (elementary) | 22:31 |
| ochosi | they have started to rework the palette | 22:31 |
| ochosi | and you can see this already in bionic because i pulled in quite a few reworked icons | 22:32 |
| ochosi | now we have e.g. some inconsistent greens | 22:32 |
| ochosi | http://i.imgur.com/ppHvVhK.png | 22:33 |
| ochosi | left is new, right is old | 22:33 |
| ochosi | i could spend some more time updating these icons to the new green | 22:33 |
| ochosi | but we're past UIF | 22:33 |
| ochosi | so the main question is: does this qualify as bugfix? | 22:33 |
| knome | meh | 22:33 |
| ochosi | or: would you even care enough for me to do the work and for us to push this? | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | I'd say... not really a bugfix. But the purpose of the freezes is to make sure we're not crunched for time with replacing screenshots and the like | 22:34 |
| knome | i don't think it's a bugfix, but i don't think the UIFe paperwork or getting the ack is too much work if we want this in | 22:34 |
| knome | on another note: will this rework finish before the release? | 22:34 |
| ochosi | well we're already in this semi-consistent state | 22:35 |
| knome | or in other words, will we release with all-consistent icons even with the UIFe paperwork and uploading thingy? | 22:35 |
| ochosi | so there's really not much to lose | 22:35 |
| ochosi | hard to say, it's a lot of icons | 22:35 |
| knome | and to go even further: do we want to release an SRU? | 22:35 |
| ochosi | even if the work is repetitious and anyone could help, i doubt anybody apart from me will contribute | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | That's the nature of these things :) | 22:36 |
| ochosi | as we dont use the icons in screenshots in our docs i consider an SRU absolutely doable | 22:36 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: the nature of icon updates is that i have to work on them alone..? :D | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | What sort of work load is involved? Surely it's more than search & replace? | 22:36 |
| ochosi | well i have to open every icon and add a new gradient, replacing the old one | 22:37 |
| ochosi | i doubt the svgs are consistent enough to be able to script this | 22:37 |
| knome | i didn't mean the SRU would be not doable even if we had screenshots or that | 22:37 |
| ochosi | most of them are in the actions/ subfolders though | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | i would be willing to have a go at scripting if you can explain what needs to be done | 22:37 |
| knome | the question is if we think that getting this consistency is important enough for an SRU on itself | 22:37 |
| ochosi | (and i already fixed a lot of icons already) | 22:38 |
| ochosi | ali1234: that'd be awesome! | 22:38 |
| knome | because the SRU process is a different beast than an UIFe | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | Yeah | 22:38 |
| knome | and that said... | 22:38 |
| ochosi | knome: i know, my main target would be UIFe | 22:38 |
| knome | if we think we will be doing an SRU, then don't sweat on the UIFe's now | 22:38 |
| knome | but if we think we can get it all in by release, then for sure i vote for some more sweat for ochosi - and can do the UIFe paperwork | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | I think it'd be a nice to have. | 22:40 |
| ochosi | right | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | The difference isn't drastic, but any additional polish we can have is welcome | 22:40 |
| knome | definitely - we're kind of in a state where i'd rather go all way than leave the inconsistency there | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | If we enter SRU territory, it gets painful | 22:40 |
| ochosi | (so the two current commits are in fact fixes of icons that were broken - we should get those in anyway) | 22:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, i vote for more polish only for the polish speaking users! | 22:40 |
| ochosi | ok, so then i propose the following: | 22:41 |
| ochosi | 1) bluesabre uploads the two commits that are bugfix as bugfix | 22:41 |
| ochosi | 2) ochosi tries the scripted approach with ali1234 | 22:41 |
| ochosi | 3) if 2) fails ochosi tries to update the icons manually (as many as possible) | 22:41 |
| ochosi | 4) knome does the paperwork for UIFe | 22:41 |
| jd109 | can I make a suggestion | 22:41 |
| ochosi | sure | 22:41 |
| jd109 | if It is not stepping on toes | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:41 |
| ali1234 | how many icons are we talking about, approximately? | 22:41 |
| jd109 | how about switch the greens on the new icons | 22:42 |
| knome | ochosi, ack from me on that proposal | 22:42 |
| jd109 | back to be consistent with all the others | 22:42 |
| jd109 | it would be much less work | 22:42 |
| ochosi | jd109: not really, the new greens outnumber the old ones by far | 22:42 |
| jd109 | oh okay | 22:42 |
| jd109 | :-( | 22:42 |
| ochosi | ali1234: hmm, maybe 50? | 22:42 |
| knome | (and even if not, then we would be "outdated" for two years until the next LTS) | 22:43 |
| ali1234 | 50 x 8 different sizes each or 50 total? | 22:43 |
| knome | pretty sure × | 22:43 |
| ochosi | 50 total | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | oh wow | 22:43 |
| knome | really? | 22:43 |
| ochosi | x8 would include the symlinks | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | Seems obvious | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | Let's go for it :D | 22:43 |
| ochosi | hey - i've done a lot of work already! | 22:43 |
| ali1234 | i guess svg doesn't have different sizes | 22:43 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:43 |
| knome | yes indeed, let's go for it | 22:43 |
| ochosi | >900 icon updates in this cycle | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | with just one ochosi... we need more ochosis to be more productive | 22:44 |
| knome | ochosi, now the proposal with #action and we're good to go ;) | 22:44 |
| ochosi | just one more follow-up question | 22:44 |
| ochosi | i can also clear out some other inconsistencies | 22:44 |
| knome | like? | 22:44 |
| ochosi | where icons look very different in different sizes | 22:44 |
| ochosi | e.g. MS excel files look totally different in 128px | 22:45 |
| knome | if the changes are trivial (eg. don't take a huge amount of time), go for it | 22:45 |
| knome | we can bunch this all up as an "consistency" update | 22:45 |
| ochosi | 128px: http://i.imgur.com/a01oBEf.png | 22:45 |
| ochosi | 64px and below: http://i.imgur.com/gPuWqVn.png | 22:45 |
| knome | hah, yes | 22:46 |
| ochosi | that's really confusing and misleading | 22:46 |
| ochosi | i just noticed it a short while ago | 22:46 |
| knome | indeed | 22:46 |
| ochosi | (i obviously don't work with office files "enough") | 22:46 |
| knome | yes, i'm all for fixing this as well while we are at it | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | hence your sanity | 22:46 |
| ochosi | lol | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | I agree | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | One nice UIFe bug to cover it all | 22:47 |
| knome | yep | 22:47 |
| ochosi | #action bluesabre will push beaaf3f6f47fb1e80fb7821fe69b3513a707cfbe and 28120d05e011ec89412d33d7dc5897d7f6bcf8ee from elementary-xfce to xubuntu-artwork as bugfix | 22:47 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre will push beaaf3f6f47fb1e80fb7821fe69b3513a707cfbe and 28120d05e011ec89412d33d7dc5897d7f6bcf8ee from elementary-xfce to xubuntu-artwork as bugfix | 22:47 |
| knome | and not even by a stretch, it really is one thing | 22:47 |
| * bluesabre is prepared | 22:47 | |
| ochosi | #action ochosi and ali1234 will try to script the gradient swap-out for most icons that need updating | 22:47 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi and ali1234 will try to script the gradient swap-out for most icons that need updating | 22:47 |
| ochosi | #action ochosi will manually update whatever icons are left over from the script approach | 22:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi will manually update whatever icons are left over from the script approach | 22:48 |
| ochosi | #action knome will file the UIFe paperwork once the branch is ready | 22:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome will file the UIFe paperwork once the branch is ready | 22:48 |
| ochosi | #action bluesabre will again be doing the uploading honours | 22:48 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre will again be doing the uploading honours | 22:48 |
| knome | i'm filing the bug now that it's ready for subbing appropriate teams to it | 22:49 |
| ochosi | what's the latest point in time for getting the UIFe approved? | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | Lots of xubuntu-artwork uploads in the next few days :) | 22:49 |
| knome | ochosi, as long as it happens before the release... | 22:49 |
| ochosi | yeah, but how many days before | 22:49 |
| ochosi | i can't remember what was a realistic window | 22:49 |
| knome | i think we don't want to go into the final freeze territory | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: RC is the 19th, archive probably locked at that point | 22:50 |
| ochosi | ok | 22:50 |
| ochosi | so i have roughly 10 days | 22:50 |
| ochosi | sounds do-able | 22:50 |
| ochosi | thanks, we can move on to other discussion items (if there are any) | 22:50 |
| * bluesabre believes in ochosi | 22:50 | |
| knome | yes, i have one | 22:50 |
| ochosi | k go ahead | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | I need to relocate, bbiab | 22:51 |
| knome | #topic Discussion | 22:51 |
| knome | #subtopic 18.04 Community Wallpaper Contest Winners | 22:51 |
| knome | https://xubuntu.org/news/18-04-community-wallpaper-contest-winners/ | 22:51 |
| knome | done :) | 22:51 |
| ochosi | noice | 22:52 |
| ochosi | well done | 22:52 |
| jd109 | Nice! | 22:52 |
| ochosi | any other discussion items? | 22:52 |
| knome | not from me | 22:52 |
| ochosi | (we're slowly but surely running out of meeting time) | 22:52 |
| ochosi | ok, if not... | 22:55 |
| ochosi | #topic Schedule next meeting | 22:55 |
| ochosi | #action Unit193 to schedule the next meeting | 22:56 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Unit193 to schedule the next meeting | 22:56 |
| knome | iiiiit's Uniiiiiiiit193! | 22:56 |
| pleia2 | thanks for chairing, ochosi | 22:56 |
| ochosi | weeeee | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | back | 22:56 |
| ochosi | thanks everyone for participating | 22:56 |
| ochosi | hah, right in time for the wrap-up, bluesabre | 22:56 |
| knome | thank you ochosi | 22:56 |
| jd109 | thanks! | 22:56 |
| ochosi | #endmeeting | 22:56 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Apr 5 22:56:59 2018 UTC. | 22:56 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-04-05-22.02.moin.txt | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | Thanks everybody! | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | Dang, I'm awful at those. | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | Thanks Unit193! | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:57 |
| pleia2 | knome: shall I social media the wallpaper post? | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | What'd I do? | 22:57 |
| knome | pleia2, yes please | 22:57 |
| knome | bug 1761623 | 22:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1761623 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Fix inconsistencies in the elementary-xfce icon theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761623 | 22:57 |
| knome | so that's there, ready for the process to roll | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | Very nice | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | Guess I have some work to do when I get home :) | 22:58 |
| knome | :) | 22:58 |
| Unit193 | Testbuilt thunar. | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:59 |
| ochosi | kewl | 22:59 |
| ochosi | ali1234: for the scripting, shall i start to describe the manual process..? | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | okay so what am i looking at? i cloned elementary-xfce repo | 23:01 |
| ochosi | ok, navigate to elementary-xfce/actions/24 | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | back.svg, bottom.svg look like the old green? | 23:01 |
| ochosi | open edit-redo.svg, take the gradient from there and apply to go-bottom, go-down, ... | 23:02 |
| ochosi | take the green from the path (the outline of the arrow from edit-redo.svg) and apply that too | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | knome: how do we get the wallpaper winners blog post to the front of xubuntu.org ? | 23:02 |
| knome | oh | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | okay. so this is just purely a colour change right? | 23:03 |
| knome | pleia2, there we go | 23:03 |
| pleia2 | ty | 23:03 |
| knome | np | 23:03 |
| knome | the answer: make sure the post is in the "Articles" category | 23:03 |
| ochosi | ali1234: yes | 23:04 |
| pleia2 | good to know :) | 23:04 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: can you show me a git commit where you've done this? | 23:04 |
| ochosi | ali1234: that's why it could be scriptable | 23:04 |
| ochosi | sure, one sec | 23:04 |
| knome | pleia2, updated the excerpt to a hand-tailored one | 23:05 |
| * pleia2 thumbs up | 23:06 | |
| ochosi | ali1234: unfortunately the one i did manually and that would be a good example is part of a bigger commit: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commit/b85a1d068836f07accd7c4b1605720581ba0b041#diff-a3092494930a2366b914d2f431145af7 | 23:06 |
| ochosi | look for 16/dialog-ok-apply.svg | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | okay, i'm a bit puzzled by this | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | what happened to xlink:href="#linearGradient2264" | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | is that still in the file? | 23:09 |
| knome | i don't think that has any meaning | 23:10 |
| knome | see how the nodes refer to the id(2427) later | 23:10 |
| ochosi | ali1234: i think not, there are oftentimes lots of unused gradients in svgs | 23:10 |
| ochosi | would need to run the vacuum script more often... | 23:10 |
| knome | ochosi, this isn't even an unused gradient | 23:10 |
| ochosi | (or simply as a pre-commit hook or something) | 23:10 |
| knome | i think this is an inkscape-internal (?) link/id | 23:11 |
| knome | which isn't referred to from anywhere | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | okay so the old gradient has only two stops, the new one has four, is that right? | 23:13 |
| knome | actually the xlink:href is referred from the other linearGradient element... | 23:14 |
| knome | and there that 2264 is too when you expand the code | 23:15 |
| * knome facepalms | 23:15 | |
| knome | handling different amount of steps can be a bit tricky :) | 23:15 |
| ali1234 | the stroke is different colour too? | 23:16 |
| knome | that's likely | 23:16 |
| ochosi | indeed | 23:17 |
| ochosi | so the transition that is probably hard is the steps | 23:17 |
| ochosi | and then the path/stroke also needs to be changed | 23:17 |
| knome | ochosi, do you know if the steps/offset is always the same though? | 23:17 |
| ochosi | between icons of the new gradient you mean? | 23:18 |
| ochosi | tbh for the icons i'm interested in the steps would always be the same | 23:18 |
| knome | yes | 23:19 |
| ochosi | if it helps with the script, i can manually fix one single arrow icon | 23:19 |
| ochosi | then you have something to go on | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | do you know the exact colours before and after? | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | or is it a case of "move the sliders until it looks right" | 23:19 |
| ochosi | no, this should be consistent across icons | 23:20 |
| ochosi | so we should be able to derive the colors before and after from a single example | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | some of these svgs have like 15 copies of the original gradient | 23:21 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:21 |
| ochosi | i know | 23:21 |
| knome | could we create a simple script that runs inkscape without the GUI and vacuums? | 23:21 |
| ochosi | that's why i said, vacuuming | 23:22 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:22 |
| knome | and repeat that on alllllll the icons | 23:22 |
| ochosi | those scripts already exist | 23:22 |
| knome | that would likely help | 23:22 |
| knome | i'm sure | 23:22 |
| knome | and it's a oneliner most likely so not an issue | 23:22 |
| knome | just figure out the inkscape parameter | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | found on google: for f in *.svg; do inkscape --file="$f" --verb="FileVacuum" --verb="FileSave" --verb="FileQuit"; done | 23:22 |
| knome | oh lewl? | 23:23 |
| knome | output from "inkscape --help" is funny | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | google master | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | oh there is a --vacuum-defs parameter | 23:23 |
| knome | ali1234, that sounds like a lot better than that verb crap | 23:24 |
| knome | https://temp.knome.fi/other/inkscape-cli-help.png | 23:24 |
| knome | i'd say it would be more useful if it was the *other* column with more width | 23:24 |
| knome | can't always win | 23:25 |
| knome | (or be helpful) | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | mine looks different | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | anyway... | 23:25 |
| knome | interesting.. | 23:25 |
| ochosi | https://github.com/elementary/icons/blob/master/pre-commit | 23:25 |
| ochosi | that's most likely what we want | 23:25 |
| knome | looks fantastic :) | 23:25 |
| ali1234 | don't need -z and --export-plain according to the manual page | 23:26 |
| knome | automatic stuff ftw | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | it's assumed no gui and in place if you just say --vacuum-defs $file | 23:26 |
| knome | right, but --export-plain removes all the sodipodi and inkscape namespaced nodes | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | ah okay | 23:26 |
| knome | plain SVG vs. inkscape SVG | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah that would probably be a good idea | 23:27 |
| ochosi | i think i never vacuumed the theme because it gets converted to png anyway... | 23:27 |
| knome | former is smaller in size as well as easier to read | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | gonna be one huge commit if you vacuum the whole thing :) | 23:28 |
| knome | sure :) | 23:28 |
| ochosi | i know | 23:29 |
| ochosi | feel free to propose a pullrequest for that one | 23:29 |
| ochosi | i gotta get some sleep now | 23:29 |
| knome | nighty ochosi :) | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | nighty ochosi | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | export-plain really messes around with the files | 23:32 |
| knome | yes | 23:32 |
| knome | i think it would probably be ideal to have a quick visual look at the files after doing that... | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | running it now. i have a feeling it will take quite some time | 23:32 |
| knome | actually if you believe the inkscape wiki, no visual changes are made | 23:33 |
| knome | but somehow this is so fishy;) | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | lossless-ish | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | it is re-ordering the attributes on nodes, causing diff inflation | 23:34 |
| knome | like "i'll change 75% of your file, but don't worry, it's the exact same thing!" | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | but not much in the way of real changes | 23:34 |
| ochosi | nighty! | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | 3859 files changed, 439255 insertions(+), 986530 deletions(-) | 23:43 |
| Unit193 | Welp. | 23:44 |
| bluesabre | :| | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | trying just vacuum now | 23:47 |
| knome | i'm off to bed as well | 23:51 |
| knome | nighty and thanks for looking at this (too) ali1234 :) | 23:51 |
| bluesabre | nighty cnoma | 23:52 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | night | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | ... and just using vacuum defs ends up adding more cruft than it removes | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | the diff is still significantly smaller though | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | 3829 files changed, 49015 insertions(+), 466754 deletions(-) | 23:58 |
| bluesabre | Both are effectively rewrites. If we're considering using that upstream git hook, might as well go for the full vacuum | 23:59 |
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