[00:09] <lyn||orian> tsimonq2, more problems needing another respin ?
[00:09] <tsimonq2> lyn||orian: Nope.
[00:09] <lyn||orian> ok
[00:11]  * lyn||orian tries to make sense of the tracker then
[00:12] <tsimonq2> Test 04.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> That's the one that'll be released.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> Not 05.
[00:14] <lyn||orian> oh did nio test against 04 and not realize a respin was coming?
[00:40] <lyn||orian>  bug 1761636 
[00:40] <lyn||orian> tsimonq2, ^
[00:41] <tsimonq2> I just about freaked out until I realized this is a dup of the bug they've been trying to sort out for hours.
[00:43] <lyn||orian> oh this is what they are  talking about in #ubuntu-release
[00:43] <tsimonq2> It's the same error.
[00:48] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[00:48] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[01:08] <Kamilion> ahah, that's the notification I was looking for :3
[01:15] <Kamilion> so, i've been wondering this for a while
[01:17] <Kamilion> I'm rather confused with the packages that are part of /pool/ on the ISO; some of them are sort of obvious, some are a little more questionable to me like rdate and mouseemu... why are they there?
[01:18] <Kamilion> and, more importantly, if I spin an ISO without a package pool at all; I havn't noticed anything actually break for a number of years now.
[01:20] <Kamilion> so in what situations do those debs get used?
[01:23] <Kamilion> release upgrades? networkless installs?
[01:23] <tsimonq2> That.
[01:24] <Kamilion> both? The former? the latter?
[01:24] <tsimonq2> Yes.
[01:24] <Kamilion> ...
[01:24] <tsimonq2> !
[01:25] <Kamilion> okay, so since I never release upgrade with a disc, and I don't do networkless installs; I'm safe with the scripts I already have.
[01:25] <Kamilion> (said scripts have been removing /pool since 12.04)
[01:26] <Kamilion> Hm. Wonder if it's better to remove ubuiquity, I've never supported installations, only live-boots.
[01:27] <Kamilion> I think maybe I'll go that route for 18.04
[01:28] <Kamilion> (if one wanted an installation; it would be easier to use the official ISO, and apply my package lists from synaptic instead)
[01:28] <Kamilion> otherwise all my live customizations are gonna get in the way, I think.
[01:29]  * Kamilion wanders off to throw the daily into Customizer and see what breaks
[01:30] <Kamilion> need me to poke at the autologin stuff at all?
[01:31] <tsimonq2> Hm?
[01:31] <Kamilion> traffic in #ubuntu-release indicates some issues are occuring with autologin
[01:31] <tsimonq2> ?
[01:31] <Kamilion> i rely on the autologin behavior having a password behind it
[01:32] <Kamilion> I see you're trying to work around it by clearing the password for the live user?
[01:32] <Kamilion> reason being, I have openssh-server installed; and authorized_keys logins only; sshd_config has password authentication disabled.
[01:33] <tsimonq2> We're good.
[01:33] <Kamilion> it gets unhappy when accounts have blank passwords.
[01:33] <Kamilion> You're good; but I may not be.
[01:33] <tsimonq2> Then ask in #ubuntu-release.
[01:33] <tsimonq2> This isn't the right channel to talk about #ubuntu-release.
[01:33] <Kamilion> I have to muck around with package changes on the lubuntu ISO anyway.
[01:34] <Kamilion> Do you want me to go poke my nose into the autologin stuff while I'm doing what I'm doing anyway?
[01:34] <tsimonq2> Your choice.
[01:36]  * Kamilion shrugs
[01:37] <Kamilion> Alright then.
[01:38] <Kamilion> Just thought I'd offer.
[01:39] <krytarik> The password of the live user being empty is no workaround for anything fwiw, it's supposed to be like this.
[01:40] <Kamilion> krytarik: generally has ended up to be either 'ubuntu' or 'lubuntu' for the past loooong time.
[01:41] <krytarik> The user name, yes.
[01:41] <Kamilion> no, the password.
[01:41] <krytarik> ...
[01:42] <Kamilion> once I figured out what it was, I never bothered changing it in my ISO generation scripts.
[01:42] <wxl[m]> According to release, Ubuntu has had an empty password for a long time.
[01:42] <Kamilion> Huh. Wonder if it's something that customizer's doing then.
[01:43] <Kamilion> Lemme go delve into the source, since I'm stuck as the current maintainer.
[01:44] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/customizer/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=passwd&type=
[01:44] <Kamilion> hm, i print a warning if 999:999 exists
[01:45] <Kamilion> because as far as I know, casper generates the user as part of startup
[01:45] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/customizer/blob/master/src/actions/rebuild.py#L61
[01:47] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/customizer/blob/master/src/gui.py.in#L384
[01:47] <Kamilion> /etc/casper.conf has USERNAME= changed, but I don't see any password setting
[01:49] <shark1> Is it normal for Xpad to open for first time Lubuntu 18.04 with an error window?
[01:49] <tsimonq2> shark1: What does the error window say?
[01:51] <shark1> tsimonq2: I filed a bug against Xpad Bug# 1761645 please look at and tell me if its a legimate bug.
[01:52] <tsimonq2> oh
[01:52] <tsimonq2> Hm.
[01:56] <Kamilion> wxl[m]: yeah, everything I can see in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser indicates it should be a blank password too
[01:57] <Kamilion> maybe I'm just going crazy -- it WAS 'ubuntu' at one point, right?
[02:01] <Kamilion> i'm going crazy.
[02:01] <Kamilion> i just pulled the casper source for 10.04, same crypt.
[02:02] <Kamilion> Sorry, my assertion is completely incorrect
[02:03] <Kamilion> and now I have no idea where I ran into the behavior where it had a password when one returns to the greeter
[06:10] <Kamilion> !!!
[06:10] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/zXiWb/90f0066fa5.png
[06:11] <Kamilion> Minimal installation?! <3 <3 <3
[06:13] <Kamilion> Let's see how well this Synology NAS's virtual machine setup works
[06:26] <Kamilion> alright, watched syslog, didn't see any errors or warnings that jumped out at me.
[06:27] <Kamilion> aha, i saw a qemu bios screen
[06:27] <Kamilion> it DID reboot correctly after I hit enter.
[06:37] <Kamilion> huh. I don't notice a reduction in packages at all..
[07:18] <Kamilion> i guess minimal doesn't do what it says yet
[12:59] <acheronuk> Kamilion: what should be removed: https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu/tree/desktop-gtk.minimal-remove
[12:59] <Kamilion> aye, they were not
[12:59] <acheronuk> since lubuntu is pretty minimal anyway, a big list would be overkill
[13:00] <Kamilion> that's pretty much the list I expected
[13:00] <Kamilion> does it remove the dependants those bring in too?
[13:00] <acheronuk> no
[13:00] <Kamilion> ... Oh.
[13:00] <Kamilion> Well... That's... mostly disappointing.
[13:01] <acheronuk> Kamilion: look at the ubuntu one: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.bionic/desktop.minimal-remove
[13:01] <acheronuk> that has a list of unused depends/rdepends
[13:01] <Kamilion> I go quite a bit farther.
[13:01] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/bionic/05-purgelist.synpkg
[13:02] <acheronuk> which I guess lubuntu will get added to refine it
[13:02] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/bionic/02-purgelist.synpkg
[13:03] <Kamilion> i don't have clean lists for the lib* packages yet.
[13:03] <Kamilion> that's actually what I'm working on right now.
[13:03] <Kamilion> and qupzilla -> falkon, which now depends on phonon4qt5 which depends on gstreamer
[13:04] <Kamilion> with all the additional media libraries it wants now, I might as well just sigh and go with chromium-browser instead of falkon
[13:04] <Kamilion> not much of a difference in disk space; althoug at least all the falkon QT dependancies are reusable
[13:06] <Kamilion> the iso artifact I end up with is meant to be run with TORAM=Yes anyway
[15:47] <Tyeth> Hey everybody, just a quick question, is there a magnet link for the 18.04 LTS beta?
[15:55] <Tyeth> nevermind, finally dug it out, on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/beta-2/
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