| katnip | very few updates today | 00:05 |
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| howarth | Why is the bionic using such an old linux 4.15.0 kernel release instead of the current 4.15.15? We seem to be missing a slew of fixes like https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10279307/ which would make suspending more reliable. | 03:34 |
| flocculant | howarth: I'm on 4.15.0-15-generic - which I guess will come out of -proposed soonish | 03:41 |
| howarth | Okay, I guess current is -13 | 03:45 |
| howarth | I just checked kernel's git and 4.15.13 doesn't have that fix | 03:45 |
| howarth | I am hoping the Gnome 3.28 suspend issue may have nudge a decent number of fixes into the kernel recently like that | 03:46 |
| howarth | I wish it was easier to cherry pick out of proposed instead of taking everything. | 03:47 |
| howarth | I haven't been able to find a web view of the repo outside of hash directories for direct downloads | 03:48 |
| howarth | And https://packages.ubuntu.com/ doesn't seem to have -proposed as an option to search | 03:49 |
| flocculant | howarth: I either reinstall 'a thing' when proposed is enabled or synaptic | 03:55 |
| krytarik | howarth: It appears the fix you are looking for is already in the current Ubuntu kernel though: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+changelog | 03:57 |
| howarth | Went ahead and switch on proposed. Hopefully the churn won't be as bad now that the release is slushy | 04:02 |
| howarth | Surprised mesa isn't out of the rc releases yet though | 04:02 |
| krytarik | (And by "current" I meant in 'release' btw.) | 04:04 |
| howarth | I guess you can toggle 'proposed' back off and hope everything eventually syncs up in 'updates' | 04:04 |
| howarth | rebooting | 04:05 |
| phoenix_firebrd | final beta released? | 04:08 |
| katnip | dont you guys keep up with updating? | 04:09 |
| katnip | they've said if you keep updating, you'll have the final in the end | 04:10 |
| phoenix_firebrd | i want to test iso | 04:10 |
| katnip | i couldnt tell ya then :) | 04:10 |
| howarth | Okay, now to see if that stabilizes suspend on a Radeon HD2600XT | 04:10 |
| katnip | i just keep apt updating | 04:11 |
| flocculant | phoenix_firebrd: no - not yet | 04:11 |
| phoenix_firebrd | flocculant: major show stoppers? | 04:11 |
| howarth | Also puzzled out the Google Chrome indicator under bionic. Installing the Unite chrome shell extension brings it back. | 04:11 |
| flocculant | and rather pointless to look at it anyway - it'll be out of date pretty quickly | 04:11 |
| flocculant | phoenix_firebrd: no idea - I do Xubuntu | 04:11 |
| howarth | Unite also shove them all to the right making it looks a bit more like Unity. | 04:12 |
| phoenix_firebrd | afaik there where only 1 high | 04:12 |
| katnip | http://omgfoss.com/ubuntu18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-release/ | 04:14 |
| katnip | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 04:16 |
| katnip | there is your iso | 04:17 |
| katnip | final beta freeze was the 5th | 04:18 |
| howarth | Don't forget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/ | 04:19 |
| howarth | Used that to get yesterdays | 04:20 |
| katnip | are the dates the same? | 04:20 |
| katnip | no wayland eh | 04:20 |
| howarth | I wish they would stop installing gnome components as snaps | 04:21 |
| katnip | ill switch over then | 04:21 |
| katnip | i run hexchat as a snap | 04:21 |
| howarth | They have some 3.26 snaps there instead of the 3.28 ones | 04:21 |
| katnip | my guess is by mid summer or fall | 04:22 |
| howarth | gnome-calculator gnome-characters gnome-logs gnome-system-monitor | 04:22 |
| katnip | i might be wrong, but i thought i saw the date for gnome 3.28 as in sept | 04:22 |
| katnip | need to log out and in | 04:23 |
| howarth | That is 3.30 | 04:23 |
| katnip | ahh | 04:26 |
| katnip | well now night mode works under x-org | 04:26 |
| katnip | just noticed daily builds are in the topic, bhwhaha | 04:28 |
| katnip | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule < - also in topic, final beta this week | 04:30 |
| flocculant | and tomorrow it will be out of date ;) | 04:32 |
| katnip | i was kinda hoping for wayland tbh | 04:33 |
| katnip | however, i have noticed tonight the night mode / f.lux isnt working under wayland | 04:34 |
| valorie | the point of alphas and betas is to get testing, and in particular get bugs fixed | 04:36 |
| valorie | the installer is so important for a good release | 04:37 |
| flocculant | people can do all that with dailies - unfortunately eveeryone is primed to want alphas/betas | 04:37 |
| katnip | good to be reminded of that valorie | 04:37 |
| katnip | flocculant, it appears as though, there is 1 beta and a final beta | 04:38 |
| flocculant | katnip: for flavours only | 04:38 |
| katnip | and possibly a RC | 04:38 |
| flocculant | ubuntu only does final beta | 04:39 |
| flocculant | then everyone does RC | 04:39 |
| katnip | i was just only looking at the link above | 04:39 |
| valorie | flocculant: but deadlines help people get those bugs get fixed | 04:39 |
| valorie | we could do it with "test the daily day" maybe once per month | 04:40 |
| valorie | but there wouldn't be the urgency | 04:40 |
| valorie | we could all agree to do them together, and build that urgency | 04:42 |
| flocculant | there would be if we trained testers | 04:42 |
| valorie | but then what's the difference between that and the milestones? | 04:42 |
| valorie | I think our testers are getting better and faster | 04:42 |
| flocculant | valorie: actually I'd prefer a roll your own milestone - where a flavour can turn off build when it suits them | 04:43 |
| valorie | I know I am much more efficient | 04:43 |
| flocculant | anyway - I think we've had this discussion a while ago :D | 04:43 |
| flocculant | with tsimonq2 iirc | 04:43 |
| valorie | flocculant: why not throw that idea out? I bet a lot of flavor leads would follow you | 04:43 |
| valorie | if the release team supports it | 04:43 |
| flocculant | I think Adam wanted to discuss stuff next cycle (iirc) | 04:44 |
| valorie | right, tsimonq2 doesn't like the milestones much either | 04:44 |
| valorie | cool | 04:44 |
| valorie | I'm willing to talk, listen, think together | 04:44 |
| * flocculant too | 04:44 | |
| valorie | having a week to test instead of waiting around until the magic hour | 04:44 |
| valorie | would be so much better | 04:45 |
| flocculant | I'll think about kick-starting a discussion early in the cantankerous ciacada cycle | 04:47 |
| flocculant | going to be too many c's after bionic releases ... | 04:48 |
| katnip | ill show my age a little here, i remember this +1 channel yrs ago, i upgraded so to say, and within 2 days, my system was garbage, so i think this has come a long way to have a working system at this point. | 04:49 |
| flocculant | katnip: iirc that's a lot to do with how they deal with proposed packages now | 04:50 |
| katnip | not surprised | 04:51 |
| katnip | it's much better | 04:51 |
| flocculant | indeed | 04:51 |
| katnip | i started with linux in '99, speaking of a nightmare, redhat and debian, slackware too | 04:52 |
| katnip | i left linux in '05 though due to illness and came back last year, quite impressed at the improvements made | 04:54 |
| Bashing-om | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-final-beta-released-available-for-download-now-520571.shtml . | 05:01 |
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| katnip | i like the 'darker' theme | 05:08 |
| katnip | i see you do not really need flux and night light now | 05:09 |
| fkorling | I'm trying to upgrade a unattended install from xenial to bionic beta, but having problem with the partioning. The installer stops at the "Installation type" screen, waiting for input. Any changes to partman in bionic? | 05:13 |
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| Guest82229 | Hi, question about snaps... I see that there are multiple mounted versions of the gnome calc app. Is this normal ? | 07:11 |
| tomreyn | !bug | 12:53 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 12:53 |
| hitchhiker54 | hey all, is launchpad still the place to file a report for 18.04 beta 2? No crash or major issue, just an oddity with minimal installation and software center | 12:55 |
| flocculant | hitchhiker54: yes - ubuntu-bug <package> | 12:57 |
| hitchhiker54 | cheers. amusingly software center doesnt know firefox is installed | 12:59 |
| howarth | No joy with the proposed update 4.15.15 kernel eliminating the suspend issues on the HD2600XT radeon. | 14:15 |
| howarth | Still see an occasional checkerboard (B&W) when coming out of suspend. | 14:16 |
| howarth | Any suggestions of kernel arguments to make suspend play better with ACPI? | 14:16 |
| howarth | This is on a 2008 MacPro FYI. | 14:17 |
| brainwash | howarth: I would test with 4.16 from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16/ | 15:05 |
| howarth | I guess there is no ppa for that as a repo | 15:09 |
| Exterminador | help! yesterday I've installed Nvidia drivers on Xubuntu. then I decided to uninstall them. after rebooting the laptop, everything appears huge on the screen! any ideas? | 15:29 |
| flocculant | Exterminador: I absolutely have because I had the same issue ... | 15:30 |
| flocculant | let me find the info | 15:30 |
| Ian_Corne | That sounds like no driver loaded | 15:31 |
| Exterminador | oh. and weirdly my screen appears as only 640x480 | 15:31 |
| flocculant | Ian_Corne: almost | 15:31 |
| Ian_Corne | so it's resorting to a very small resolution | 15:31 |
| Exterminador | I've even installed nouveau-firmware and no cigar | 15:32 |
| flocculant | Exterminador: check in /etc/modprobe.d for a nvidia file - I had it left after nvidia uninstall - it was blacklisting nouveau | 15:32 |
| Exterminador | right away | 15:32 |
| flocculant | if there is one - and remocing said leftover fixes it - what version of nvidia did you install? I bug reported against nvidia-340 | 15:33 |
| Exterminador | yeah. there's a nvidia-340.conf there | 15:33 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 15:33 |
| Exterminador | so, deleting it and reboot solves the problem? | 15:34 |
| flocculant | either remove it completely or move it somewhere like desktop | 15:34 |
| flocculant | did for me - can you me to bug 1761593 | 15:34 |
| ubottu | bug 1761593 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (Ubuntu) "Uninstall left nouveau blacklisted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761593 | 15:34 |
| flocculant | assuming that fixes it for you :) | 15:36 |
| Exterminador | flocculant: that did the trick! thanks a lot! | 15:37 |
| flocculant | np - don't forget to me too the bug please - that'll confirm the issue | 15:38 |
| Exterminador | perhaps we should use '--purge' while apt remove? | 15:38 |
| flocculant | shouldn't need to do that for it afaik | 15:38 |
| flocculant | a file got left ehind by nvidia - not one of of the dependencies I think | 15:39 |
| Exterminador | well, I've done my contribution in the bug ;) | 15:46 |
| Exterminador | thanks a lot again, flocculant | 15:46 |
| flocculant | cool and glad I could help :) | 15:47 |
| Exterminador | I was like, WTF, when I've rebooted the laptop. | 15:58 |
| Exterminador | it's amazing how such a new OS version can run so smoothly on my ancient laptop | 16:03 |
| flocculant | nice - and you're just the sort of person Xubuntu is after - new testers ;) | 16:03 |
| Exterminador | didn't experienced much troubles on my daily use. just that one today. I'm having a few issues with Stremio but I don't know if it's Xubuntu fault or not. | 16:06 |
| flocculant | well - never heard of it :p | 16:06 |
| Exterminador | it's a stream application to watch series and movies. but now, when I try to search for a movie/series, the "cover" simply doesn't appear. weird tho | 16:08 |
| Exterminador | also having troubles with Appimage of the program. it simply doesn't start. :/ | 16:09 |
| flocculant | not sure about those things tbh | 16:11 |
| tomreyn | Exterminador, flocculant: if you run "dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-340.conf" and it outputs something then this file belongs to a package you still have installed (or whose configuration were not yet purged) | 16:13 |
| flocculant | tomreyn: too late for me for sure | 16:14 |
| Exterminador | well, I've done apt remove nvidia*, then it said that some packages weren't needed no more and to do "apt autoremove", which I've done. but still, the file was there after all that steps. I can reinstall the drivers and do it all again | 16:15 |
| nacc | Exterminador: remove or purge? | 16:16 |
| nacc | Exterminador: remove may leave some files around, depending on the file | 16:16 |
| nacc | I think, in particular, conf files | 16:16 |
| Exterminador | I've done just "apt remove nvidia*" | 16:16 |
| nacc | Exterminador: right, that doesn't remove configuration files (iirc) | 16:17 |
| Exterminador | so, "apt remove --purge"? | 16:17 |
| nacc | Exterminador: apt purge | 16:17 |
| Exterminador | well, I can try to install it in a bit and do that and see if the problem persists | 16:18 |
| * flocculant wanders off to do that on the 'let this install break partition' | 16:18 | |
| flocculant | nacwell - that all happened again | 16:31 |
| flocculant | nacc: ^^ | 16:31 |
| nacc | flocculant: the same stray file(s)? | 16:32 |
| flocculant | seems that after additional drivers reinstalls nouveau - that blacklist file is still there | 16:32 |
| flocculant | there were some packages to autoremove - did that - still there | 16:32 |
| nacc | flocculant: autoremove won't purge | 16:32 |
| flocculant | why should I need to purge? | 16:33 |
| flocculant | well | 16:33 |
| nacc | flocculant: because config files aren't removed otherwise | 16:33 |
| nacc | flocculant: i think you need to call `sudo apt-get remove --autoremove --purge` to do it?, not sure | 16:33 |
| flocculant | what I mean is - if nvidia is leaving a blacklist - then additional drivers should do that | 16:33 |
| flocculant | you and I know about apt - but bert up the road might not - he's just got 640x480px now | 16:34 |
| nacc | flocculant: additional drivers as in the dialgoue? | 16:34 |
| flocculant | yea | 16:34 |
| nacc | hrm, sorry, i hadn't read the backscroll all the way :) | 16:34 |
| nacc | so it's a matter of clicking then unclicking said dialogue? | 16:34 |
| flocculant | nacc: ftr - I've done this previously in this cycle and it worked fine - and during a and z and y cycles :) | 16:35 |
| nacc | in *theory*, i think apt is supposed to remove config files that are unmodified | 16:35 |
| nacc | so i wonder if it's a bheavioral change in apt | 16:35 |
| nacc | (see `man apt`, purge section | 16:35 |
| flocculant | possibly | 16:35 |
| flocculant | also not sure if it's just nvidia-340 | 16:35 |
| nacc | flocculant: Exterminador: i'd file a bug, add tasks for apt, nvidia-340, and whatever owns taht GUI dialogue | 16:35 |
| flocculant | I guess tseliot would be the one to know | 16:35 |
| flocculant | nacc: ok | 16:36 |
| nacc | flocculant: it would be good to know if manually purging nvidia-340 fixes it | 16:36 |
| flocculant | nacc: right | 16:36 |
| flocculant | I'll just get a cup of tea and redo it in the more broken install partition :) | 16:36 |
| nacc | flocculant: :) | 16:37 |
| flocculant | then I can update the bug some more | 16:37 |
| BionicMac | Good day folks. How goes it? =) | 16:37 |
| nacc | flocculant: Exterminador: were you both using apt or apt-get? | 16:37 |
| nacc | i wonder also if it's a behavioral difference between them (technically allowed) | 16:37 |
| flocculant | nacc: I used the gui in software and updates - additional drivers - which is the normal (for non tech people) way | 16:40 |
| flocculant | mostly because I can't be bothered to work out which driver is for the card ;) | 16:40 |
| nacc | flocculant: right, but i don't know what that actually uses :) | 16:40 |
| * flocculant neither | 16:40 | |
| flocculant | so in a moment I'll do it the techy way :p | 16:40 |
| nacc | heh | 16:40 |
| flocculant | if that's fine - then there is a problem with the gui method which I'm guessing -release would like to know about :d | 16:41 |
| flocculant | biab | 16:41 |
| vivid | so did you guys break dhcp | 16:58 |
| nacc | vivid: this is the support channel, not necessarily where developers live, so maybe re-ask the question, with details. | 16:59 |
| vivid | which details are missing? | 16:59 |
| nacc | vivid: any details? | 17:00 |
| nacc | vivid: no, dhcp is not broken, afaik | 17:00 |
| vivid | well its not working here after this mornings 81 packages of updates | 17:01 |
| nacc | vivid: logs? what kind of networking setup, etc/ | 17:01 |
| vivid | everything is default | 17:01 |
| nacc | vivid: ubuntu or one of the flavors/ | 17:01 |
| flocculant | nacc: well that was interesting | 17:07 |
| nacc | flocculant: how'd it go? | 17:08 |
| flocculant | so software & updates/additional drivers leaves behind files and thus 640x480px cos nouveau blacklisted - apt purge does as we would expect | 17:08 |
| flocculant | and it took a pot of tea ... | 17:08 |
| flocculant | I'll let infinity know | 17:09 |
| nacc | flocculant: strange, yeah --- that does seem like a regressions somewhere | 17:09 |
| flocculant | yup | 17:09 |
| flocculant | I don't really use nvidia tbh - only check it a couple of times a cycle - good timing perhaps :) | 17:10 |
| flocculant | nacc: I changed bug to software-properties - seems more logical | 17:17 |
| nacc | flocculant: yeah | 17:17 |
| flocculant | that's hopefully my good deed of the day - I can go be bad again :p | 17:19 |
| flocculant | would I guess be useful if someone with a different nvidia card could look | 17:20 |
| flocculant | but I guess it probably doesn't matter | 17:20 |
| Exterminador | sorry. I went afk. what do you need me to test? | 17:24 |
| flocculant | Exterminador: it's ok - you escaped at the right time - I did it :) | 17:25 |
| Exterminador | hahaha. that's what happens when kids are on your tail. xD | 17:25 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:25 |
| Exterminador | just wondering if anyone knows a backup system that can use Gdrive or Dropbox to store the backups automatically | 17:27 |
| ZaZaQR | hi | 17:33 |
| ZaZaQR | I'm using Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch). whats the | 17:34 |
| ZaZaQR | differents between this and the last beta? | 17:34 |
| ZaZaQR | lastest | 17:34 |
| ZaZaQR | ? | 17:42 |
| nacc | ZaZaQR: if they are both fully updated, nothing | 17:43 |
| nacc | ZaZaQR: beta is just a point in time | 17:43 |
| flocculant | ZaZaQR: ubuntu has only had one beta anyway | 17:43 |
| flocculant | for some cycles now | 17:43 |
| ZaZaQR | oh ic | 17:47 |
| flocculant | nacc: just tried the same in 17.10.1 iso - works fine there | 18:57 |
| flocculant | from software-properties that is | 18:57 |
| LevierMRQ | Why +1, as it was a totaly revolutionary release? | 19:00 |
| nacc | flocculant: interesting | 19:01 |
| nacc | LevierMRQ: are you asking about flocculant's point? | 19:01 |
| LevierMRQ | nacc: wasnt. Reading back a bit. | 19:04 |
| flocculant | nacc: yea indeed :) | 19:04 |
| nacc | LevierMRQ: ok, unclear who your question was directed to, and regarding what, then | 19:04 |
| flocculant | nacc: tagged it regression-update - not sure there's much more that I can do :) | 19:05 |
| nacc | flocculant: ack | 19:05 |
| maxb_ | Bionic seems to have removed the ability to right-click using the bottom-right corner of my touchpad. Does anyone know how to get it back? Googling is less fruitful than I expected in this case. | 20:42 |
| nacc | maxb_: does tapping with two fingers (i use my pointer and middle) on the right-side of the touchpad work? | 20:43 |
| maxb_ | two fingers works, independent of position, but that's not what | 20:44 |
| maxb_ | .. I've spent the last few years being accustomed to | 20:44 |
| nacc | maxb_: sure | 20:44 |
| nacc | maxb_: just wondering | 20:44 |
| nacc | maxb_: can you check if you are using libinput or synaptic? | 20:44 |
| maxb_ | synclient works ... is that an answer? | 20:45 |
| nacc | maxb_: yeah, that probably means you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed | 20:46 |
| maxb_ | 'xinput list' says 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' | 20:46 |
| maxb_ | Behaviour seems the same after removing it and switching to libinput though | 20:49 |
| nacc | maxb_: you *might* need to reboot after switching it | 20:50 |
| nacc | maxb_: i really don't know | 20:50 |
| maxb_ | I did (I'm on IRC via a bouncer) | 20:51 |
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| nacc | maxb: ok | 20:51 |
| maxb | I think it's time to fall back on fetching my second machine that's still on artful, and diffing all the synclient properties before and after upgrade | 20:51 |
| Ian_Corne | I tied to install touchpad-indicator before, but it didn't launch | 21:07 |
| Ian_Corne | https://github.com/atareao/Touchpad-Indicator/issues/12#issuecomment-379371876 | 21:08 |
| Ian_Corne | It's working now apparently :) | 21:11 |
| Ian_Corne | Don't see that option though | 21:17 |
| maxb | Well. First, I'd forgotten I'd upgraded my second laptop to bionic back in March. But it turns out bionic back in March was old enough to predate the issue. | 21:50 |
| maxb | A bionic->bionic intermediate upgrade managed to turn the touchpad off entirely! | 21:51 |
| maxb | Having fixed that, it appears that the main problem is that all the values for 'Synaptics Soft Button Areas' are getting zeroed out | 21:52 |
| nacc | maxb: hrm, weird | 21:52 |
| maxb | Weird indeed: | 22:02 |
| maxb | maxb@spectre:~$ grep SoftButton .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log | 22:02 |
| maxb | [ 23.969] (**) Option "SoftButtonAreas" "50% 0 82% 0 0 0 0 0" | 22:02 |
| maxb | maxb@spectre:~$ xinput list-props 11 | grep "Soft Button" | 22:02 |
| maxb | Synaptics Soft Button Areas (308):0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 | 22:02 |
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