[00:10] <luxio> How do I find the location of a program on the left bar?
[00:14] <luxio> nevermind i figured it out
[00:30] <steve__> hi
[00:30] <Agitprop> bookz
[00:38] <dsynapse> hi
[00:51] <simonizor> Has anyone considered making it more obvious that the software center provides snaps?  I'm part of a decent sized Linux community on Discord, and we very frequently get users who have installed Discord's snap package and have issues with it (such as not being able to upload files from certain dirs), but they have no clue that they've installed the snap, so they report those issues as bugs to Discord.  This all seems kinda
[00:51] <simonizor> counter-intuitive; snaps can be built by pretty much anyone, but the end user has little to go on to show them that they're installing a snap and not the actual deb package, so it's pretty easy for them to become confused here.
[00:56] <guiverc> i believe i've seen it discussed on the forum.snapcraft.io & elsewhere simonizor
[00:56] <simonizor> cool, I'll have a look there, thanks
[00:57] <simonizor> Also, it'd be amazing if GNOME software wasn't required to be able to install snaps from uappexplorer.com... It'd be super simple to write a wrapper that redirects the package to snap for install lol
[01:02] <guiverc> simonizor, i can't find what i'm thinking of, but it was discussed somewhere..
[01:04] <skizzy> Any one know of a reason for processes to all start using WAY more cpu than usual? I just tried to install some nvidia drivers and then my computer became unresponsive. I rebooted and still every process is high usage and the machine is so slow it barely works
[01:04] <skizzy> I had to boot to windows and here I am
[01:04] <tgm4883> skizzy: you'd have to tell us what processes
[01:05] <skizzy> every process. firefox over 150. mongodb using 20 for no reason and then top using 10
[01:05] <skizzy> it's not isolated to certain processes. it's slow right at boot up :(
[01:05] <simonizor> What are you using to view the CPU use percent?
[01:05] <skizzy> top
[01:06] <simonizor> Apps like that use a caclulation for the CPU % based on run time
[01:06] <simonizor> So newly launched apps will always appear to use a lot of CPU
[01:06] <skizzy> it's not just what it shows it's the fact that the machine is so slow it's unresponsive almost. something happened to my install
[01:06] <simonizor> After ~ 5 minutes, the CPU use goes down to a more normal percent
[01:07] <skizzy> it was fine last time I was using it. I thoguht maybe a hardware issue but it's working in windows ok now
[01:07] <simonizor> I'm just saying the symptons you're reporting are unrelated lol
[01:07] <simonizor> symptoms*
[01:07] <skizzy> oh yeah could be
[01:09] <skizzy> switching around graphics drivers and removing nouveau wouldn't have anything to do with this?
[01:09] <skizzy> nvidia is running user lsmod instead of nouveau now
[01:14] <luxio> How do I open a file in an existing instance of a program on the command line?
[01:14] <simonizor> That's gonna be entirely dependent on the applicaton and whether it supports that or not, luxio
[01:15] <luxio> well I can drag a file onto the program and it opens it in there
[01:16] <luxio> is there a way to simulate that from the command line
[01:16] <simonizor> You should probably check out the help arguments and/or the man page for the application.  If it has that ability, it will more than likely tell you how to do so there.
[01:16] <simonizor> You can do that with xdotool
[01:17] <simonizor> kinda not an optimal solution, though
[01:25] <luxio> does ubuntu use pulse
[01:27] <siva_machina> luxio, yes
[01:27] <siva_machina> yes it does
[01:27] <zetheroo1> recently when I connect to my workplace VPN I completely loose DNS it seems
[01:28] <zetheroo1> my /etc/resolv.conf has the correct nameservers listed, as well as the search domain
[01:29] <zetheroo1> any ideas on what I can do to troubleshoot this?
[01:32] <eury_> got problem with smdb and nmdb service, it wont start.
[01:36] <jean94> hi i need some support with mi ip issues
[01:37] <luxio> anyone know where I can find the "boop" sound that plays when you're in gnome terminal and you press the down arrow key?
[01:37] <eury_> systemctl status: degraded
[01:37] <jean94> lets talk about hacking
[01:38] <jean94> some group that i can get inn?
[01:38] <guiverc> jean94, this a Ubuntu support channel, not a hacking one
[01:39] <jean94> yes like i said at the beggin i have some issues with mi ip address, someone can help please
[01:40] <guiverc> please tell us what your Ubuntu ip address is you'd like help with, ideally in a single line, and if someone knows the answer they'll reply (please be patient, some of us work etc)
[01:44] <zetheroo1> this is what my route -n looks like when I am connected to my VPN: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VdYgvQC7H6/
[01:44] <blender> Hi I was hoping I could get some help on the low graphics problem from yesterday.
[01:45] <blender> I have finally found a way to connect to the internet
[01:47] <Bashing-om> blender: What is the nature of the graphic's issue ?
[01:47] <blender> it says i have low graphics also not reading the wifi device
[01:48] <blender> I have since then entered cli
[01:49] <Bashing-om> blender: Can not help with WIFI - graphic's: pastebin the output of terminal command ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[01:51] <blender> i just did sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop then rebooted apparently it solved the issue for many
[01:52] <blender> it didnt solve for me
[01:52] <blender> also how do i pastebin its in a different system.
[01:53] <blender> the output is *-display VGA compatible controller, prod: Nvidia, Vendor: NVidia, Physical id 0, version a1, display unclaimed intel corp
[01:55] <Bashing-om> blender: Looks then we have to install a driver . Is this a EFI machine ?
[01:55] <blender> EFI meaning?
[01:55] <Bashing-om> !efi ! blender
[01:55] <Bashing-om> !efi | blender
[01:56] <blender> yes UEFI
[01:56] <blender> it is the only operating system in this computer
[01:57] <Bashing-om> blender: Does the broken system have imternet access ?
[01:57] <blender> yes
[01:57] <blender> its brand new :(
[01:58] <siva_machina> I pasted this earlier. https://pastebin.com/Nrknb9Lj
[01:59] <siva_machina> I think this is the first first issue I have had updating my system
[02:01] <Bashing-om> blender: Disable "secure boot" in the firmware and then run terminal commands ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; sudo apt purge nvidia ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ; . Reboot to see the effect .
[02:03] <blender> 94 packages can be updated
[02:04] <iehusha> Why Would Anybody Care to Add My Kernel is Detected As DOS FileType If Any Care To Address this Or Have Addressed This Before Looking in /boot/vmlinuz ש
[02:04] <siva_machina> Nevermined the issue apparently was resolved
[02:05] <iehusha> Any Ever Heard Of Such T`ing
[02:06] <blender> updated
[02:06] <blender> but do u mean
[02:09] <Bashing-om> !who | blender
[02:09] <blender> !tab Bashing-om sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe
[02:11] <iehusha> https://pastebin.com/8663ZDcf
[02:11] <blender> Bashing-om I dont have a file called /etc/X11/xorg.conf  I only have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe
[02:11] <Bashing-om> blender: we do not care about /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe . continue on . tab: type ba and hit the tab key to complete Bashing-om .
[02:11] <Bashing-om> blender: Ok .. not to have that file at this time . continue on .
[02:14] <blender> Bashing-om: Got it
[02:16] <blender> wow it worked
[02:16] <Bashing-om> blender: :) .
[02:18] <blender> Bashing-om: Thank you so much for the help.    But still can't get in. After I enter the password it is telling me something sytem problem detected, do u want to report now
[02:21] <Bashing-om> blender: What release and desktop environment is this ?
[02:21] <blender> #316.04
[02:21] <blender> 16.04
[02:22] <Bashing-om> blender: 16.04 (u)buntu ?
[02:23] <eblu> welp, i'm losing it
[02:23] <littlepython> http://druid.io/docs/latest/tutorials/quickstart.html is there a way to run all the java commands listed in middle of the page to run as a bg job from a shell script
[02:23] <eblu> my ubuntu that i just installed won't boot into grub, instead windows takes over
[02:24] <eblu> i've tried everything, including changing the efi boot order, bcdedit, and boot-repair
[02:24] <eblu> here's a log for diagnosis
[02:24] <eblu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tXcgnXhPy5/
[02:24] <littlepython> could someone help me with my question
[02:24] <leftyfb> littlepython: the answer is yes, it is possible. You want #bash
[02:26] <eblu> help would be greatly appreciated. my google-fu has its limits
[02:27] <blender> Bashing-om: Yes it is 16.04. I was hoping i could start it after this
[02:27] <Bashing-om> blender: At the login screen, what results when activating the guest session ?
[02:28] <blender> Bashing-om: it comes back to the user screen
[02:30] <Bashing-om> blender: As this is a fresh install, I think you are better served to do RE-install of the operating system . did you verify the .iso file and the copy to medium ?
[02:32] <Jordan> Hi \
[02:32] <Jordan> mans
[02:32] <blender> i used rufus
[02:33] <Jordan> her
[02:33] <Jordan> so
[02:33] <Jordan> mean
[02:33] <blender> Bashing-om: I used rufus and used usb
[02:33] <Jordan> Jack
[02:33] <Jordan> Cool
[02:33] <Guest92976> That's great
[02:33] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | blender
[02:33] <Guest92976> Thanks NickServ
[02:33] <Guest92976> Hi guys
[02:34] <Guest92976> HI
[02:35] <blender> Bashing-om: Can I not download new iso from source and isntall it through cli
[02:35] <blender> i used ubuntu's site too
[02:36] <Bashing-om> blender: Well, one "can" if your ubuntu system at the terminal level is stable .
[02:38] <Bashing-om> blender: If the original .iso file passes the md5sum check, there is no need to download another .iso file .
[02:41] <eblu> hi, did anyone receive my question? i asked about 20mins ago
[02:42] <leftyfb> !patience | eblu
[02:42] <eblu> alright, thanks
[02:44] <kodaku> hello
[02:44] <kodaku> can anyone help me?
[02:44] <leftyfb> !ask | kodaku
[02:44] <blender> Bashing-om: Ok I will try to do that
[02:45] <blender> thank you so much for all your help
[02:45] <kodaku> ok, i'm sorry
[02:46] <Bashing-om> blender: When the .iso file is verified, we can use the 'dd' tool from ubuntu terminal to write the image to the USB drive .
[02:47] <kodaku> i have a problem while upgrading using terminal, it said error in avahi-deconf. can anyone help?
[02:48] <Bashing-om> kodaku: You are the 3rd one this night with the issue . I did not pay attention to a resolution .
[02:51] <littlepython> ok leftyfb have asked
[02:51] <eblu> just reinstalled ubuntu with custom settings, will try again
[02:54] <the_ant> !patience
[03:03] <krytarik> kodaku: That's LP bug 1760128 fwiw, but indeed no sign of a solution or how to work around this yet.
[03:08] <TheFocus> Morning.  Having issues getting past "started update UTMP about system runlevel changes" in boot.  Running in a VM.  Treid reinstalling xorg and the like.  Any ideas???
[03:17] <eury_> how do i access files with root privilege? need to delete the smbd.service
[03:19] <puxavida> eury_, which version of ubuntu?
[03:20] <eury_> sorry. im using eos loki, but since its on ubuntu..
[03:20] <eury_> smbd.service is giving headache since last night.
[03:24] <puxavida> sudo systemctl stop smbd  to stop it then sudo systemctl disable smbd should stop from starting on a reboot
[03:25] <puxavida> sudo is the command to do admin stuff
[03:31] <xz> hi there, I'm on Ubunt 16.04.3 trying to reconfigure networking. ifup/ifdown doesn't recognize my interface. As a matter of fact it has unusual name - enp1s0f1. Should I first add some configuration to /etc/network/interfaces for ifup/ifdown to be any useful?
[03:32] <xz> it is regular 1Gig wired network interface
[03:38] <royal_screwup21> anyone know how to turn stuff happening on a given window into a gif? Speifically, I'm running a desktop app on Ubuntu 16.04 through Android Studio and when I run the app, it shows up on a window which I want to convert to a gif
[03:42] <puxavida> royal_screwup21, use the screenshot app
[03:54] <eury_> @puxavida i've tried all of that to no avail. thank for the reply :)
[04:05] <puxavida> you can't capture whole screen - if not just a window?
[04:05] <puxavida> last resort, use your cell phone and snap a photo
[05:01] <zayafa> when ubuntu18.04LTS   release?
[05:02] <Bashing-om> zayafa: due date 26 Apr
[05:03] <Bashing-om> zayafa: http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-final-beta-released-available-for-download-now-520571.shtml .
[05:03] <zayafa> thx
[05:06] <bibibi> .
[05:10] <fkorling> I'm trying to upgrade a unattended install from xenial to bionic beta, but having problem with the partioning. The installer stops at the "Installation type" screen, waiting for input.
[05:10] <fkorling> Any changes to partman for bionic for bionic?
[05:11] <Ben64> until release, support for 18.04 is in #ubuntu+1
[05:11] <navpreet> hi
[05:12] <navpreet> i want to learn ubuntu
[05:12] <navpreet> telll me some resources
[05:13] <mateothegreat> install something, break it, figure out how to fix it.. google... ubuntu wiki
[05:13] <fkorling> tnk Ben64
[05:14] <navpreet> \every time i install some software it dosn't work after restart
[05:15] <mateothegreat> what does "doesn't work" mean, exactly
[05:16] <navpreet> firefox crashes everytime
[05:17] <navpreet> tell me some ebooks to learn linux
[05:17] <bibibi> ah
[05:18] <mateothegreat> I don't think an ebook is going to help you "Troubleshoot why firefox is crashing" heh
[05:18] <mateothegreat> first thing you would want to do is check your log files
[05:18] <mateothegreat> open up a terminal and run: sudo bash && tail -f /var/log/syslog .. and then crank up firefox
[05:18] <notadrop> Hi, I'm on Xubuntu. Since I use Xfce, will it hurt anything to remove all GNOME packages from the system?
[05:19] <notadrop> Anything that isn't required by critical components, of course
[05:19] <guiverc> navpreet, maybe look at https://ubuntu-manual.org/
[05:20] <navpreet> root@navpreet-desktop:~#
[05:20] <navpreet> what now
[05:21] <mateothegreat> type firefox
[05:21] <mateothegreat> enter
[05:21] <mateothegreat> see what outputs on your terminal screen
[05:21] <mateothegreat> it's probably missing a library or two
[05:21] <zayafa> all kind of weird problems..haha...
[05:23] <navpreet> we r sorry
[05:23] <navpreet> firefox have a problem
[05:23] <navpreet> and crashed
[05:24] <mateothegreat> in your terminal, was there some text output after you ran the command??
[05:25] <navpreet> navpreet@navpreet-desktop:~$ sudo bash && tail -f /var/log/syslog
[05:25] <navpreet> [sudo] password for navpreet:
[05:25] <navpreet> root@navpreet-desktop:~# firefox
[05:25] <navpreet> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 2109
[05:25] <navpreet> ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child
[05:25] <navpreet> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
[05:25] <guiverc> navpreet, your prompt showed 'root@' - firefox should be run as a user, not root.  also root tasks won't be able to access gui if using wayland
[05:25] <mateothegreat> fyi, when pasting more than a line or two, please use http://pastebin.com
[05:26] <mateothegreat> navpreet, while in root.. run: tail -f /var/log/syslog&
[05:26] <mateothegreat> then try to run firefox and see if your terminal updates with text
[05:27] <navpreet> no browser to open paste bin
[05:27] <mateothegreat> lol
[05:27] <mateothegreat> use konqueor?
[05:27] <JimBuntu> navpreet, then you can use `command | nc termbin.com 9999`
[05:27] <mateothegreat> or just pm it to me
[05:27] <JimBuntu> or install pastebinit
[05:30] <bibibi> how can i change the size of word?
[05:30] <bibibi> it's too small
[05:36] <Pharaoh> Hi! Which is the best utility to recover deleted data on an ntfs mount. Testdisk, scalpel/foremost or something else? I accidentally put a character in the parent folder name which is not permitted in Windows and so I cannot pull it using windows based tools I think
[05:45] <VjdfMQ> Hey all
[05:45] <VjdfMQ> Could anyone help with mouse ? It just stopped working. X201 laptop.
[05:46] <VjdfMQ> I've tried to reboot. Nothing changed. So then I've tried to restart driver psmouse, so now don't work trackball and buttons, but touchpad.
[05:49] <VjdfMQ> Also, after each suspend or restart I need to restart this driver for this touchpad. ... I think this could be because of update ( apt full-upgrade ). Also, this's not the contact's loose. The trackball and touchpad have different busses, but they both don't work. Also, on Win7 ( dual boot ) all works well.
[05:49] <JimBuntu> VjdfMQ, do you see anything in DMESG or /var/log/syslog /etc?
[05:50] <VjdfMQ> JimBuntu: Thank you. http://termbin.com/uqg3
[05:56] <JimBuntu> VjdfMQ,  did your kernel update recently?
[05:56] <VjdfMQ>  Yes, apt updated kernel to 4.13.0-38
[05:57] <JimBuntu> Ah... let's take a quick look for something that helped another user in a similar issue... `find /sys/devices -type f -iname "crc_enabled"| nc pastbin.com 9999`
[05:57] <VjdfMQ> JimBuntu: No output
[05:58] <JimBuntu> Not even a URL?
[05:58] <VjdfMQ> No output from: " find /sys/devices -type f -iname "crc_enabled" "
[05:59] <JimBuntu> oops. I gave you the wrong command anyway... I mean to redirect to termbin.com, but I don't think that matters in this case
[05:59] <JimBuntu> Can you try rebooting and using the previous kernel to confirm if that's the change that is causing this?
[06:00] <VjdfMQ> Hm. Really, I don't know how to change the kernel
[06:03] <VjdfMQ> Oh, grub with shift, is it right ?
[06:04] <VjdfMQ> I'll try now
[06:11] <VjdfMQ> JimBuntu: The same, but now trackball works
[06:12] <JimBuntu> Well that's odd. At last the trackball is working, I suppose.
[06:17] <VjdfMQ> Works: Touchpad, TrackBall. But buttons, don't.
[06:17] <VjdfMQ> https://i.imgur.com/cB6EzCc.png
[06:17] <VjdfMQ> I mean, the below ones.
[06:18] <VjdfMQ> I've marked an area with red which doens't work.
[06:19] <JimBuntu> You will need someone more adept at device issue troubleshooting than I am. Somehow, I seem to be lucky with most things simply working and generally staying that way.
[06:20] <VjdfMQ> uh
[06:20] <VjdfMQ> Although, thank you very much for giving it a try
[06:21] <JimBuntu> You are welcome
[06:21] <u0_a107> Hai
[06:22] <ZaZaQR> hi
[06:23] <letmutx> If I disable whatsapp contacts sync on android 5.1 and then add a contact, it is automatically re-enabled. Why is that?
[06:23] <ducasse> letmutx: try ##android
[06:24] <letmutx> Sorry, I thought I was in that channel.
[06:24] <AJ2> Hello All
[06:25] <AJ2> Is there someone that can help with SSH?  I have installed OpenSSH and am able to access it internally in my network, but once outside my network I am not able to SSH in.  I have in my router setup Port Forwarding to port 22.
[06:28] <JimBuntu> AJ2, Is your SSH Daemon listening on port 22 (to confirm). In the router, did you make sure to double check that port 22 is being forwarded to port 22 for the IP of the machine you want to SSH into? Have you double-checked that you have the correct public-facing IP address for your router? Have you tried it using the public-facing IP from both ON the network and while on a DIFFERENT network?
[06:29] <JimBuntu> AJ2, I know nothing about your ISP/Router... so, have you tried configuring your SSH Daemon to listen to a different port, maybe 1025 for example, and tried setting up the port forwarding for that and tried that port from an outside network?
[06:30] <AJ2> @JimBuntu, I have set up port forwarding on port 22.
[06:30] <JimBuntu> FWIW: I asked about the tests from inside and outside networks (both using the public-facing IP) because sometimes you can't reach your public IP while behind it.
[06:30] <AJ2> @JimBuntu, What is the cmd that i can use to validate that the server is listening on port 22?
[06:30] <JimBuntu> FWIW: I asked about trying a different port because some ISPs could block incoming connections on specific ports they think are troublesome.
[06:31] <JimBuntu> AJ2, You could try `sudo netstat -tunelp | grep -i 22` and see if sshd is listening on it
[06:33] <AJ2> @JimBuntu, yes it is listensing on port 22
[06:33] <JimBuntu> AJ2, Although, since you can SSH to it from within the network (I assume using the local IP address), that should validate it
[06:34] <JimBuntu> AJ2, Do you forward any other ports, perhaps to other machines/etc? Basically, do you have a good way to confirm you are using the correct public-facing IP address?
[06:34] <JimBuntu> AJ2, Some broadband devices from the ISP also have built-in firewalls... do you know if yours does?
[06:35] <AJ2> no, I do not have anything else using port forwarding.  Basically, I am just trying to setup my ubuntu 16.04 so I can access it externally
[06:35] <AJ2> So I have Xfinity, but I got rid of their gateway and I got my own
[06:35] <JimBuntu> AJ2, try turning on remote admin access in your router, and see if you can access it using the public-facing IP address
[06:35] <AJ2> (Didn't want to pay their monthly fees)
[06:36] <AJ2> @JimBuntu, I have a netgear wireless router and netgear gateway.  Do I only need to mess with my netgear router?
[06:36] <JimBuntu> AJ2, your gateway may also have a firewall that you need to configure.
[06:37] <AJ2> @JimBuntu, is there a way I can post an image for you to see something?
[06:38] <JimBuntu> You can give me the model number of the gateway, I should be able to look it up
[06:39] <AJ2> @JimBuntu, please see this --> http://paste.opensuse.org/10911310
[06:40] <AJ2> @JinBuntu, please see this as well --> http://paste.opensuse.org/43149545
[06:40] <JimBuntu> Ok, enable the remote access... and/or provide the gateway model number
[06:42] <AJ2> I have a NETGEAR CM1000
[06:42] <JimBuntu> Generic instructions from Netgear... includes modems/gateways... so I figure it's common - https://kb.netgear.com/8219/How-to-setup-Inbound-Outbound-firewall-rules-on-NETGEAR-Modem-router-gateways
[06:42] <AJ2> this is just a gateweay and I have a netgear Nighthawk X6 R8000 as my router
[06:45] <JimBuntu> I was able to get to the login creds for the router, so that's a good sign.
[06:45] <JimBuntu> I didn't see anything in the user manual/installation guide that mentioned the CM1000 having a firewall that may need to be configured
[06:46] <AJ2> I turned on Remote Management, but still no luck
[06:46] <AJ2> I don't see any firewall option on the router as well
[06:46] <JimBuntu> The 16.04 box is using 192.168.1.100 ?
[06:46] <AJ2> It can't be this difficult to turn on SSH externally
[06:46] <JimBuntu> AJ2, it normally isn't
[06:46] <AJ2> that is correct Jim
[06:47] <JimBuntu> Ok, I see the port forwarding configured, I didn't notice if it also had to be enabled elsewhere
[06:48] <JimBuntu> This, https://kb.netgear.com/24289/How-do-I-set-up-port-forwarding-on-my-Nighthawk-router , makes me think you did what you needed to already
[06:48] <AJ2> Jim, is there something I need to do inthe sshd_config
[06:49] <JimBuntu> Not if it's working when you try to connect locally... well, I suspect not. When you did the netstat, did it show that sshd was listening to 0.0.0.0:22 ?
[06:49] <tomreyn> port 22 is open, but no ssh daemon is responding. this may suggest that the router accepts incoming connections but either the internal IP address configured in its NAT table is incorrect, the system running the sshd has a host firewall installed, or does not run sshd.
[06:50] <JimBuntu> tomreyn, We confirmed it's listening to port 22 on the machine, and they can SSH to it from other machines on the local network
[06:50] <tomreyn> right, so maybe the NAT configuration is incorrect then.
[06:51] <AJ2> jim, take a look at this, not sure if this will help --> http://paste.opensuse.org/57514353
[06:51] <JimBuntu> AJ2, will you run `ipconfig | nc termbin.com 9999` ?
[06:52] <ducasse> or try another external port, in case 22 is blocked by the isp
[06:53] <AJ2> Jim, I think I know what the problem is now that you mentioned something
[06:53] <AJ2> take a look at this --> http://paste.opensuse.org/28073159
[06:53] <JimBuntu> I don't see 22 in the blocked port list ( https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/list-of-blocked-ports ) but I do see people complaining about it being blocked
[06:53] <AJ2> So my ubuntu ip is 192.168.10.101 as you can see from the image above I just sent
[06:53] <JimBuntu> 192.168.10.101
[06:54] <AJ2> but all my machines internally have an ip of 192.168.1.x
[06:54] <AJ2> not sure how ubuntu got 192.168.10.xxx
[06:55] <AJ2> somoene then had be me create a virtual adapter or something and thats how i got the ip 192.168.1.100.
[06:55] <tomreyn> based on http://paste.opensuse.org/28073159 it has two iüp addresses assigned
[06:55] <tomreyn> *ip
[06:56] <AJ2> the reason someone had me create the virtual adapter 192.168.1.100 is becuase in my router the device list would not show the 192.168.10.x address
[06:56] <tomreyn> can we configrm this by "ip a", "ip l", "ip r"
[06:58] <tomreyn> also post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces , /etc/network/interfaces.d/* and the output of "lsb_release -ds"
[06:58] <AJ2> http://paste.opensuse.org/18967983
[06:59] <tomreyn> is there a reason you post these as screenshots instead of text? is this a VM or something?
[07:00] <tomreyn> it doesn't matter that you do, i'm just wondering
[07:01] <AJ2> i can post text here
[07:01] <AJ2> cat interfaces
[07:01] <AJ2> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[07:01] <AJ2> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[07:01] <AJ2> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
[07:01] <AJ2> # The loopback network interface
[07:01] <AJ2> auto lo
[07:01] <JimBuntu> AJ2, the RedQueen doesn't like mullti-line posts
[07:01] <tomreyn> !paste | AJ2
[07:02] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | AJ2
[07:02] <AJ2> i'll just post on paste
[07:03] <tomreyn> the screenshots are ok, too, for now, though. i was just wondering whether you misseed to provide information about your architecture such as running ubuntu in a VM
[07:03] <AJ2> http://paste.opensuse.org/75277282
[07:04] <AJ2> no, i have a dedicated machine running ubunut
[07:04] <AJ2> i have a feeling that the issue is with the internal ip 192.168.1.100 and 192.168.10.101
[07:04] <AJ2> I think there may be some sort of conflict
[07:06] <AJ2> any other suggesstions?
[07:06] <JimBuntu> tomreyn, What do you think about manually changing the sshd_config to use 'ListenAddress 192.168.1.100' and 'ListenAddress 192.168.10.101' ?
[07:07] <tomreyn> AJ2: did you post the outputs of "ip r" and "ip l", yet?
[07:07] <tomreyn> JimBuntu: hmm, * should already bind to all interfaces.
[07:08] <AJ2> http://paste.opensuse.org/37878860
[07:08] <JimBuntu> Yeah, it's aiming at 0.0.0.0, I was thinking there could be some deeper issue that this may work around
[07:08] <tomreyn> JimBuntu: i need up again on what A12 said about how their computer gets online
[07:08] <tomreyn> JimBuntu: it doesn't hurt giving it a try if it'll be undone later
[07:09] <JimBuntu> Xfinity cable -> AJ2s Netgear Gateway -> AJ2s Netgear Router
[07:09] <AJ2> I believe this is the cmd I ran yesterday --> sudo ifconfig enp1s0:0 192.168.1.100
[07:11] <AJ2> Let me ask this questions... Why did my ubuntu machine get a IP Address of 192.168.10.101, while everything else internally has 192.168.1.xxx
[07:11] <tomreyn> AJ2: the 192.168.10,x range puzzles me, too. can you double check whether it is mentioned anywehre on the routers' coneifuration pages?
[07:11] <tomreyn> * configuration
[07:11] <tomreyn> my spelling...
[07:12] <tomreyn> default via 192.168.10.1 dev enp3s0
[07:13] <AJ2> this is fresh install of ubuntu as well
[07:13] <tomreyn> your default route is via the 192.168.10. network, not via 192.168.1.
[07:14] <AJ2> the ip address assigned by default is 192.168.10.101
[07:14] <tomreyn> chances are you have two dhcp dameons running. maybe one on the gateway, the other on the router, and the router (incorrectly) proxies them.
[07:15] <tomreyn> or maybe you have yet another device on your LAN which runs a dhcp server and hands out the 10 address
[07:16] <tomreyn> AJ12: maybe try this: just enter 192.169.10.1 in your web browser and see what, if anything, shows up
[07:16] <tomreyn> AJ12: maybe try this: just enter 192.168.10.1 in your web browser and see what, if anything, shows up
[07:17] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[07:17] <AJ2> So my setup at home is the following -->  Xfinity connects to my netgear cm 1000 modem which then connects to my netgear nighthawk r8000  --> then i have a switch installed which connects directly to the ubuntu PC
[07:17] <tomreyn> nothing too special there
[07:17] <JimBuntu> The gateway/cable modem should have defaulted to 192.168.100.0/24 (according to the manual anyway)
[07:18] <AJ2> in my browser when I do a 192.168.10.1 it says site can't be reached
[07:18] <JimBuntu> what about 192.168.10.100 ?
[07:18] <tomreyn> can you "ssh 192.168.10.1" ?
[07:19] <tomreyn> or just "ping 192.168.10.1"
[07:19] <TJ-> Why not check the neighbour's if any? "ip neigh show"
[07:19] <tomreyn> ahi was just going to suggest looking into arp
[07:20] <TJ-> When I have problems like this I use tcpdump to watch the interface to see what other IPs show up
[07:20] <TJ-> Generally you see ARP/neighbour solitication packets
[07:20] <AJ2> http://192.168.10.100/  --> site can't be reached
[07:20] <gerun> p
[07:20] <gerun> hello
[07:20]  * JimBuntu has a "No ARP Solicitation" sign posted in my MOTD.
[07:21] <TJ-> JimBuntu: depends what the A.R.P. acronym stands for though :P
[07:21] <JimBuntu> yessir
[07:21] <gerun> my raspberry pi's fire fox was
[07:21] <AJ2> I am SSH'd into the ubuntu machine right now internally by going to ip 192.168.1.100
[07:21] <gerun> was crashed ...
[07:21] <AJ2> on port 22
[07:22] <gerun> help plz...
[07:22] <JimBuntu> AJ2, are you SSH'ing into the Ubuntu machine FROM a different machine?
[07:22] <AJ2> http://paste.opensuse.org/62677745
[07:22] <AJ2> Yes Jim
[07:23] <JimBuntu> kk
[07:23] <AJ2> I am sshd  into ubunutu from my primary windows machine
[07:23] <AJ2> but both are in my netwrok so that works okay
[07:23] <TJ-> AJ2: don't let that SSH connection drop until you've sorted this out; you might not be able to reconnect!
[07:23] <AJ2> i can reconneect easily
[07:24] <JimBuntu> AJ2, can you ssh into 192.168.10.101 ?
[07:24] <TJ-> I missed the original problem report? What are we trying to fix?
[07:24] <AJ2> TJ, the issue here is that I can't ssh into my machin from outside my network
[07:24] <AJ2> let me try jim
[07:25] <JimBuntu> AJ2, I don't expect this to work unless your Win box also shows as being on that "other" network
[07:25] <TJ-> AJ2: well, that doesn't rely on your PC, that relies on the gateway which on IPv4 is presumably doing NAT, so it needs firewall port-forwarind rules
[07:25] <AJ2> When I try to ssh into 192.168.10.101 it gives me a  connection timeout
[07:26] <TJ-> AJ2: is the PC connected (via switch) to the nighthawk? is the nighthawk doing NAT? if so, you need port forward rules there
[07:26] <AJ2> @TJ Port forwarding is already setup
[07:26] <tomreyn> 192.168.10.1 has a NIC with a MAC address by "Obihai Technology, Inc." which manufacturs analog telephone adapters and internet telephony devices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obihai_Technology
[07:27] <tomreyn> AJ2: does this ring a bell?
[07:27] <TJ-> tomreyn:  LOL
[07:27] <JimBuntu> tomreyn, the MAC for 1.100 and 10.100 were the same, fwiw
[07:27] <TJ-> tomreyn: if it's telephony devices I hope it does
[07:27] <AJ2> let me check soemthign
[07:27] <JimBuntu> er. x.x.1.100 and x.x.10.101
[07:27] <tomreyn> JimBuntu: not so here http://paste.opensuse.org/62677745
[07:27] <AJ2> i know what obihai is
[07:28] <TJ-> AJ2: the nighthawk is on 2 sub-nets presumably; LAN side iits on 192.168.1.0/24 and on it's WAN side it's on 192.168.10.0/24
[07:28] <AJ2> i have a google phone, so thats the device to make my home phone work
[07:29] <tomreyn> 192.168.1.1 is e8:fc:af:ff:ef:a9 (Netgear), 192.168.10.1 is 9c:ad:ef:31:ab:a0 (obihai)
[07:29] <TJ-> AJ2: this is what Xfinity connects to? https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/cable-modems-routers/CM1000.aspx
[07:29] <AJ2> but that obihai device ip address onmy networ is 192.168.1.9
[07:29] <tomreyn> those are the two gatewas configured in your ubuntu
[07:30] <yellabs-r2> hello all
[07:30] <AJ2> @TJ, yes i have xfinity connected tothe cm1000
[07:31] <tomreyn> !details | gerun
[07:31] <TJ-> AJ2: so do we know if the CM1000 is doing network address translation or is it passing your public IP address through to the NightHawk?
[07:32] <yellabs-r2> when doing a clean install of ubuntu , for example 16.04.4 , does it need to update ? Or could i use zsync and after that the iso has all the newest packages and there will be no need to update after install ?
[07:32] <TJ-> AJ2: if the CM1000 is NAT-ing and the nighthawk is NAT-ing that'd cause a problem. Can you get to the web admin interface on the nighthawk and tell us what it's WAN-side IP address is?
[07:32] <AJ2> TJ, I believe it is passing public IP to Nighthawk.  I say this becaue the cm1000 is only a gateway and a router.
[07:32] <tomreyn> yellabs-r2: there is no software which doesn't require occasional updates.
[07:33] <TJ-> AJ2: "gateway and router" IS NAT
[07:33] <yellabs-r2> thats true.. ;)
[07:33] <TJ-> AJ2: that's why we need to be sure... if you've got 2 devices doing NAT that will cause a lot of problems.
[07:33] <JimBuntu> TJ-, If it helps any, remote access to the nighthawk's remote admin panel is working.
[07:33] <AJ2> so what are you requesting now, my public IP from the Xfinity?
[07:33] <yellabs-r2> but just the get the most up to date software, would zsync be a good practice ?
[07:34] <JimBuntu> speaking of which, AJ2 You should probably turn that back off now.
[07:34] <tomreyn> yellabs-r2: i did not understand what the idea about "use zsync" is, though
[07:34] <TJ-> AJ2: in ideal circumstances the CM1000 bridges to the nighthawk, and the nighthawk handles all the ISP negotiation, public IP address setup, routing, firewall etc
[07:34] <yellabs-r2> hmm, zsync will update the local iso
[07:34] <yellabs-r2> then you use the iso to install
[07:35] <TJ-> AJ2: no, I want you to look at the admin interface on the nighthawk and tell us what the WAN-side IP is reported as... so we can check if that device hosts the public IP address or not
[07:35] <AJ2> TJ, I believe thats how it is working
[07:36] <TJ-> AJ2: if nighthawk does, then if from outside your home you cannot SSH in, and you've got a port-forward rule configured in the nighthawk, then there's something more needs doing on the nighthawk
[07:36] <ducasse> yellabs-r2: the iso is only updated on a point release, not between them
[07:36] <AJ2> 192.168.1.1
[07:36] <yellabs-r2> ok, i see , so that will not help much
[07:36] <yellabs-r2> good to know , thanks
[07:36] <TJ-> AJ2: these tests you're doing 'from outside your network' - where is the PC that you're doing the tests from?
[07:37] <AJ2> in my network
[07:37] <AJ2> but to mimic outside my network i have another laptop which i am connected to the internet via my phoien
[07:37] <JimBuntu> TJ-, I remoted into the router to check if remote access was able to work... I am not in AJ2 network.
[07:38] <yellabs-r2> hmm, close to 26th april, maybe wait for 18.04 .. ;)
[07:38] <TJ-> AJ2: thanks, just wanted to confirm it's being tested correctly. So the rule on the nighthawk points to the IP adddress of the Ubuntu PC which is 192.168.1.100 ?
[07:38] <AJ2> does this help --> http://paste.opensuse.org/12037892
[07:39] <TJ-> JimBuntu: yes, I checked I could get onto port 22 earlier
[07:39] <TJ-> AJ2: no need to mask your public IP address, we already know it!
[07:39] <AJ2> yes that is correct TJ
[07:40] <TJ-> AJ2: OK, so have you used tcpdump on the Ubuntu PC to see if it is receiving SSH connection requests at all?
[07:40] <AJ2> No i have not used tcpdump
[07:40] <AJ2> never used it actually
[07:40] <AJ2> how do i use that
[07:41] <TJ-> AJ2: something like "sudo tcpdump -ni enp2s0 'tcp port 22 and not net 192.168.1.0/24'
[07:42] <TJ-> AJ2: in theory, that won't report the SSH session from your LAN but it should report any other connections
[07:43] <TJ-> AJ2: I'm trying an SSH connection now so it should show a connection attempt from 109.74.197.121
[07:44] <AJ2> i am running this cmd --? sudo tcpdump -ni enp3s0
[07:44] <AJ2> does that look right
[07:44] <AJ2> its just outputting a long never ending list
[07:44] <TJ-> AJ2: sudo tcpdump -ni enp2s0 'tcp port 22 and not net 192.168.1.0/24'
[07:44] <TJ-> AJ2: Ctrl+C to kill it
[07:45] <TJ-> AJ2: then use the command I've just given
[07:45] <TJ-> AJ2: tell me when it's running
[07:45] <AJ2> it says listening
[07:45] <AJ2> on enp3s0
[07:45] <TJ-> AJ2: OK, I'm about to connect
[07:46] <TJ-> AJ2: I'm now connected
[07:46] <AJ2> I don't see anything on my end
[07:46] <TJ-> AJ2: so something on your network has answered on port 22 but isn't talking SSH protocol
[07:46] <TJ-> AJ2: so re-check the port-forward rule you've set up in the nighthawk
[07:47] <AJ2> http://paste.opensuse.org/63145356
[07:48] <AJ2> http://paste.opensuse.org/86524433
[07:50] <AJ2> @TJ, I see your connection attempt on my router log
[07:51] <TJ-> AJ2: so, something is answering the connection and I can talk to it but it doesn't respond. That's not how port forwarding works, so there's something unusual on your network
[07:51] <AJ2> my life is unusual as well...
[07:51] <TJ-> AJ2: just for 100% accuracy, your public IP address is 98.198.195.41 ?
[07:52] <AJ2> yes
[07:53] <AJ2> any other suggesstions
[07:53] <TJ-> AJ2: in the nighthawk, did you set up an address reservation for 192.168.1.100 ?
[07:53] <AJ2> i think i did
[07:53] <TJ-> AJ2: check. Read point 3 here. https://kb.netgear.com/24289/How-do-I-set-up-port-forwarding-on-my-Nighthawk-router
[07:57] <AJ3> sorry got dc
[07:57] <AJ3> but point 3 in that doc not wokrng
[07:57] <TJ-> AJ3: how does it not work? the option isn't available?
[07:58] <AJ3> check this --> http://paste.opensuse.org/78348705
[07:58] <Rockwood> how to fix "The system is running in low-graphics mode" ?
[07:59] <TJ-> AJ3: in the Netgear instructions it does say "The reserved address is not assigned until the next time the computer contracts the router’s DHCP server. Reboot the computer, or access its IP configuration and force a DHCP release and renew."
[07:59] <TJ-> AJ3: have you done any of those things since configuring this address reservation?
[07:59] <AJ3> reboot the ubuntu machine?
[07:59] <TJ-> AJ3: that's overkill, just dropping it's network and bringing it back up is enough
[08:00] <TJ-> AJ3: but the PC needs to re-acquire the IP address for the address reservation to work
[08:00] <Rockwood> how to fix "The system is running in low-graphics mode" ?
[08:00] <AJ3> I'm rebooting my ubuntu right now
[08:01] <AJ3> reboot done
[08:03] <AJ3> anything else i can try?
[08:03] <AJ3> i really need to get access to this server from outside
[08:03] <TJ-> AJ3: connections are now behaving differently
[08:03] <Rockwood> i noticed ubuntu is not good for network wise
[08:03] <AJ3> what do u mean 'differently'
[08:04] <TJ-> AJ3: earlier, port 22 connected to something immediately but nothing was talking. Now no connection is made
[08:04] <TJ-> AJ3: that's a good sign - it suggests to me the nighthawk is passing the connection to the PC as it should
[08:04] <tomreyn> !fud | Rockwood
[08:04] <TJ-> AJ3: so now the issue might be solvable at the Ubuntu PC
[08:05] <shortCircuit__> hello
[08:05] <TJ-> AJ3: do this again and let's check:   sudo tcpdump -ni enp2s0 'tcp port 22 and not net 192.168.1.0/24'
[08:05] <Rockwood> my problem is still unanswered
[08:05] <Rockwood> i noticed ubuntu is not good for network wise
[08:05] <Rockwood> how to fix "The system is running in low-graphics mode" ?
[08:05] <Rockwood> i have issue in my network too
[08:06] <Rockwood> that why i saying
[08:06] <tomreyn> Rockwood: about the low graphics mode, please provide more details such as when you get to see this message, what your hardware is, which ubuntu release you run etc.
[08:06] <AJ3> haha
[08:06] <tomreyn> Rockwood: also discuss the network issue with more (or any) detail.
[08:06] <shortCircuit__> I have an ubuntu 16.04 box on google cloud. and then there is a puma service running and the java app behind it logs to /dev/log .. but the problem is say I restart the rsyslog service, after sometime the log appear really slow when I do a tail -f and also the logs are lagging. by like 1 hour
[08:06] <shortCircuit__> how do I debug this?
[08:07] <Rockwood> my internet connection fails automatically any time
[08:07] <AJ3> so now after the reboot, I can't ssh into 192.168.1.100 from my windows pc which is in my network
[08:07] <Rockwood> only on ubuntu
[08:08] <AJ3> when i do a ifconfig directly on my ubuntu now, that 192.168.1.100 is not there anymore
[08:08] <Rockwood> in windows no problem
[08:08] <tomreyn> Rockwood: okay, let's diagnose one issue after the other, which one is more urgent to you?
[08:08] <TJ-> AJ3: it's not?
[08:08] <AJ3> no its not
[08:08] <TJ-> AJ3: what does it report?
[08:08] <Rockwood> okay
[08:08] <AJ3> it reports that 192.168.10.101 IP only
[08:08] <Rockwood> tomreyn, first of all i want solve internet issue
[08:09] <tomreyn> Rockwood: are you into running commands on a temrinal, yet?
[08:09] <shortCircuit__> TJ as in tj holowaychuk!!!!
[08:09] <TJ-> tomreyn: Are you able to continue with AJ3 sorting out the IP address issue? Looks like the nighthawk might have the wrong MAC address in the address reservation - that has to match the PC it's assigned to so needs comparing to the Ubuntu PC. I'm in the middle of replacing a thermistor in a freezer!
[08:09] <Rockwood> tomreyn, which command ?
[08:10] <Rockwood> i have full access of machine
[08:10] <AJ3> I am guessing that the virtual adapter dropped after reboot which had the ip addess 192.168.1.100
[08:10] <Rockwood> tomreyn, i opened terminal now ?
[08:11] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm, i wiped all the info off my head by now, would need to review it. and am about to help Rockwood now. but maybe later.
[08:11] <AJ3> thats fine guys... I am about to call it a night for now... its 3am here and I have to be up in 3 hours
[08:11] <AJ3> I'll have to continue this tomorrow night here again.
[08:12] <tomreyn> AJ3: that's a good match! and good night!
[08:12] <AJ3> one question before i leave
[08:12] <AJ3> 192.168.x.101
[08:12] <tomreyn> Rockwood: lsb_release -ds
[08:12] <AJ3> that 'x' in the ip address that is the bubnet?
[08:12] <AJ3> subnet?
[08:12] <Rockwood> tomreyn, Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[08:12] <tomreyn> AJ3: well, generally that is incorrect. in your specific configuration, i guess you could say so.
[08:13] <AJ3> what is that 3rd value usually represetning
[08:13] <Rockwood> that command output is Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[08:13] <tomreyn> AJ3: third value?
[08:14] <AJ3> also, do u think if i reinsatlled ubunut, it would at all?
[08:14] <tomreyn> !patience | Rockwood
[08:14] <AJ3> 192.168.X.100
[08:14] <Rockwood> ohh okay
[08:14] <tomreyn> Rockwood: this is all volunteer driven here, i'll get back to you
[08:14] <Rockwood> okay i will keep it in my mind
[08:15] <Rockwood> np i am waiting
[08:15] <tomreyn> Rockwood: lspci -knn | grep -i Network
[08:15] <tomreyn> AJ3: reinstalling would probbaly make no difference at all.
[08:15] <Rockwood> 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak] [8086:0084] tomreyn
[08:16] <Rockwood> tomreyn, one thing i noticed at time of internet fails
[08:16] <AJ3> ok... well I'm out for the night.. Thanks for everyones help here.  Will return tomorrow night and continue.  Need to get this working by Sunday.
[08:16] <AJ3> bye everyone
[08:17] <Rockwood> suppose if opening web browsing or teamviwer
[08:18] <Rockwood> internet stop working
[08:18] <tomreyn> AJ13: 192.168.10.101 is an IPv4 address. you have two networks in use that i have seen, 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.10.0/24 (these are CIDR notations)
[08:18] <Rockwood> suppose if opening web browsing or teamviwer,  internet stop working
[08:18] <Rockwood> sometimes
[08:19] <tomreyn> Rockwood: okay so this wireless you have works unreliably on linux abased onj what you said so far. do you also have a wired network connection?
[08:20] <Rockwood> tomreyn, yes i have
[08:22] <tomreyn> Rockwood: do you know how to work with a pastebin?
[08:22] <pagios> hello, talking about message digest, if it is not encrypted and only hashed. it can be stolen right if someone is sniffing on the network, thus resulting in a user getting access but not knowing the clear text password right?
[08:22] <Rockwood> tomreyn, yeah
[08:22] <tomreyn> !paste | Rockwood
[08:22] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | Rockwood
[08:23] <Rockwood> tomreyn, i am php developer no problem in code show
[08:23] <tomreyn> Rockwood: please run: sudo lspci -knn | pastebinit
[08:23] <tomreyn> Rockwood: also: dmesg -T | pastebinit
[08:24] <Rockwood> still first command in progress
[08:25] <Rockwood> could i open two terminals at time same time for different installation ?
[08:26] <tomreyn> Rockwood: cancel the first command, then run "sudo echo" before you run it again
[08:27] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you can open multiple temrinals just fine. i don't know what you mean by "for different installation"
[08:27] <high_fiver> how do you change default artful gnome-shell font? /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css has no effect
[08:28] <Rockwood> at time two software installation
[08:28] <tomreyn> Rockwood: since you also have a wired network connection, i suggest you use this one for now (which we debug the other) just so you'll have a stable connetion.
[08:28] <tomreyn> Rockwood: installation of which software?
[08:28] <Rockwood> http://dpaste.com/21CEM1C
[08:29] <tomreyn> Rockwood: please do what the message suggests and install pastebinit
[08:29] <Rockwood> okay
[08:30] <tomreyn> Rockwood: then run "fg" and press ctrl-c until it reports "bash: fg: current: no such job"
[08:31] <Rockwood> tomreyn,i am installing that suggested
[08:31] <tomreyn> once pastebinit is installed and you did the "fg" thing, please run "dmesg -T | pastebinit" again
[08:31] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g59PkbxHTt/
[08:32] <tomreyn> at the same time, you can run "sudo echo; sudo lspci -knn | pastebinit" in the same or a new temrinal window
[08:32] <tomreyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g59PkbxHTt/ is not the output of a command i asked you to run
[08:33] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x3v3bjWHYm/
[08:33] <tomreyn> ^ good
[08:33] <tomreyn> now dmesg
 once pastebinit is installed and you did the "fg" thing, please run "dmesg -T | pastebinit" again
[08:38] <tomreyn> Rockwood: are you still with me?
[08:38] <Rockwood> tomreyn, yes
[08:39] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X3pYyPnVNd/
[08:39] <tomreyn> Rockwood: thanks. give me a minut enow, i need to review this
[08:39] <Rockwood> sure
[08:41] <tomreyn> Rockwood: please also show: lsusb | pastebinit
[08:41] <Rockwood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zJnWTgPBRc/ tomreyn
[08:42] <tomreyn> Rockwood: and this (probably just a line or two of output: rgrep -l iwlwifi /etc/modprobe.d/
[08:43] <Rockwood> tomreyn, /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf tomreyn
[08:44] <tomreyn> Rockwood: pastebin /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf
[08:45] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YVQmcqNDn7/
[08:48] <s10gopal> anyone can please build a kernel for me ? it takes 3.5hours to build on my machine , i can pay too + i can guide how to build kernel
[08:48] <tomreyn> Rockwood: echo 'options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 swcrypto=1 11n_disable=8' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi-local.conf
[08:49] <Rockwood> tomreyn, Unable to read from: echo
[08:50] <tomreyn> s10gopal: you could rent a VM and do it there.
[08:50] <s10gopal> tomreyn: i tried google + aws they are not accepting my debit card
[08:50] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you probably have a typo, please recheck, also make sure oyu did not miss the single quotes.
[08:51] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i think they will only accept credit cards. maybe try some more providers.
[08:51] <tomreyn> also national ones
[08:53] <tomreyn> Rockwood: any luck?
[08:53] <tomreyn> if it doesn't work this way we can try somethign else
[08:53] <s10gopal> tomreyn: this is the problem , i am having student email id too but still they ask for card
[08:56] <tomreyn> s10gopal: yes, it's an anti abuse measure, credit card is often required.
[08:56] <tomreyn> or fraud rather
[08:58] <Rockwood> tomreyn, still no luck
[08:58] <tomreyn> Rockwood: what happens?
[08:59] <Rockwood> options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 swcrypto=1 11n_disable=8 tomreyn done this time
[08:59] <tomreyn> Rockwood: cat /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi-local.conf 2>&1 | pastebinit
[09:00] <Rockwood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6NXhCKgGDk
[09:00] <Rockwood> tomreyn, ^^
[09:00] <tomreyn> Rockwood: alright, your wireless should be more stable after reboot
[09:01] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i'll look into the graphics issue now, you can reboot meanwhile if you like
[09:02] <Rockwood> tomreyn, what error in network ?
[09:03] <tomreyn> Rockwood: are you asking what i identified as the root caused of your unstable wireless network connectivity?
[09:03] <tomreyn> *cause
[09:03] <Rockwood> cause of unstable connectivity ?
[09:04] <Rockwood> please reboot may be stuck me
[09:05] <s10gopal> can anyone please build a kernel for me , it takes more than 3.5hours on my machine . 408c9861c6979db974455b9e7a9bcadd60e0934c is good and cbcd4f08aa637b74f575268770da86a00fabde6d is bad
[09:05] <s10gopal> i can guide too
[09:06] <s10gopal> !ping
[09:06] <tomreyn> Rockwood: if so: intel has not provided very good linux support for your hardware. so some manual intervention can be needed. your wireless chipset also controls bluetooth, and unless modifications are done to bluetooth and / or wireless drivers they can interfere with each other. based on your description of the issue this is the case for you. the workaround we appied is to reconfigure the wireless driver to operate ina mode which should
[09:06] <tomreyn> prevent such interference with the bluetooth stack.
[09:06] <Jean__> Does anyone know how I can get my router's ipv6 from terminal?
[09:07] <tomreyn> Jean__: LAN ipv6 address or WAN ipv6 address?
[09:08] <Jean__> tomreyn: I'm not sure the difference actually
[09:08] <Rockwood> tomreyn, I AM BACK NOW
[09:08] <tomreyn> Jean__: usually the router would show both on a web interface / command line if it provides such?
[09:08] <Ool> route -n6 ?
[09:08] <tomreyn> Jean__: WAN would refer to its IPv6 internet address, LAN would refer to where your computer can talk to it in your own little home network.
[09:09] <tomreyn> *desktop computer
[09:09] <s10gopal> can anyone please build a kernel for me , it takes more than 3.5hours on my machine . 408c9861c6979db974455b9e7a9bcadd60e0934c is good and cbcd4f08aa637b74f575268770da86a00fabde6d is bas
[09:09] <tomreyn> (or laptop)
[09:09] <s10gopal> i can guide too
[09:09] <tomreyn> s10gopal: please stop
[09:09] <s10gopal> sorry
[09:09] <tomreyn> s10gopal: this is not the place for such requests. and you'Re flooding.
[09:10] <Rockwood> tomreyn, what was the cause ? of network stability issue
[09:10] <tomreyn> Rockwood: intel has not provided very good linux support for your hardware. so some manual intervention can be needed. your wireless chipset also controls bluetooth, and unless modifications are done to bluetooth and / or wireless drivers they can interfere with each other. based on your description of the issue this is the case for you. the workaround we appied is to reconfigure the wireless driver to operate ina mode which should prevent such
[09:10] <tomreyn> interference with the bluetooth stack.
[09:11] <Rockwood> tomreyn, thanks for that
[09:11] <Rockwood> now graphical error ?
[09:13] <Rockwood> the system is running in low-graphic mode
[09:13] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you get this message on every boot then?
[09:14] <Rockwood> but not this time
[09:14] <Rockwood> before this all time
[09:14] <Rockwood> tomreyn,
[09:14] <TJ-> tomreyn: safe mode graphics will be because the GPU is too old, doesn't support 3D hardware acceleration, cannot support a compositor. Try XFCE, etc
[09:15] <tomreyn> Rockwood: please post: glxinfo -B | pastebinit
[09:15] <TJ-> tomreyn: I assume Rockwood is using a Unity/Gnome/KDE DE?
[09:15] <tomreyn> TJ-: probably unity on 16.04, it's intel graphics. i915.
[09:15] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vdRVRHQgCc/
[09:16] <tomreyn> TJ-: 8086:2a42
[09:16] <tomreyn>     Accelerated: yes
[09:16] <tomreyn> uuh GM45 yes thats old
[09:17] <Jean__> tomreyn: Is it ok to ask homeworkish stuff here?
[09:17] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you can consider switching to a less demanding graphical desktop such as xfce (xubuntu)
[09:18] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you can safely try it, no need to reinstall, you just need to download some.
[09:18] <TJ-> Rockwood: can you show us " pastebinit <( apt list --installed  xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx ) "
[09:20] <tomreyn> TJ-: i think he's on a default ubuntu 16.04.4 installation on the GA kernel (but i have not actually verified this via dpkg, just got dmesg output)
[09:20] <tomreyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X3pYyPnVNd/ < dmesg
[09:20] <Rockwood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qZ9CTt3NC9/ tomreyn
[09:21] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah, seen those already
[09:21] <Rockwood> actually i updated my os after that i get this error
[09:22] <TJ-> tomreyn: what concerns me is the glxinfo on that system reports 0.0 for this (from my PC): "Max core profile version: 4.5"
[09:22] <Rockwood> mean i have to stop auto updates
[09:23] <Rockwood> TJ tomreyn
[09:23] <TJ-> Rockwood: show us "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.*.log"
[09:23] <tomreyn> Rockwood: no you should not stop installing updates.
[09:24] <tomreyn> TJ-: i hadn't noticed this. but it's GM45, i think that's the first version intel ever did
[09:24] <tomreyn> on a mass production scale that is
[09:25] <tomreyn> i used to have one and could barely run anything 3d
[09:25] <tomreyn> with xubuntu it worked fine
[09:29] <tomreyn> Rockwood: what i can tell is that you would do yourself a big favor by installing an SSD on this system. and a much bigger favor by replacing this system by more modern hardware.
[09:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah, same here (GM45)
[09:34] <tomreyn> oh so we share the same painful past.
[09:35] <TJ-> I think many did around 2010/11 as the GPU world moved on - legacy basic GPUs got left behind
[09:35] <TJ-> tomreyn: at least it's not a PowerVR based Intel chipset!
[09:36] <Rockwood> actually this laptop i have for development
[09:36] <tomreyn> TJ-: hehe yes
[09:36] <TJ-> tomreyn: I once dealt with someone with a PowerVR chipset... told them they needed to install the chrome driver... guess what they installed!
[09:37] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i think you'd do yourself a favor by installing xubuntu there (no need to reinstall, just install the "xubuntu-desktop" package and select the Xubuntu desktop at login).
[09:37] <tomreyn> TJ-: chrome?
[09:37] <TJ-> tomreyn: :D
[09:38] <tomreyn> :)
[09:38] <Rockwood> tomreyn, by --> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:39] <tomreyn> Rockwood: exactly! (you could also use just 'apt)
[09:39] <tomreyn> 'apt'
[09:39] <Rockwood> any type of data loss by reinstalling ?
[09:40] <Rockwood> data lose possibility ?
[09:40] <TJ-> Rockwood: reinstall is totally unnecessary
[09:40] <TJ-> Rockwood: Linux isn't Windows!
[09:40] <Rockwood> okay
[09:41] <tomreyn> Rockwood: right, no need to reinstall
[09:41] <Rockwood> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop    run only this ?
[09:41] <Rockwood> and reboot am right ?
[09:41] <tomreyn> Rockwood: run thiis, logout, choose 'xubuntu', login
[09:41] <TJ-> Rockwood: no reboot required either! Just log-out the user, then on the greeter ...
[09:41] <TJ-> Rockwood: ... choose "Xubuntu" session from the Gear/Cog icon
[09:42] <Rockwood> but i have data on current desktop
[09:42] <Rockwood> important data
[09:42] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you're not loosing anything
[09:42] <TJ-> Rockwood: you're only selecting a different program to run, this does not affect your home directory or anything else
[09:42] <tomreyn> Rockwood: let's check whether you have enough disk space left, though
[09:42] <tomreyn> Rockwood: df -h
[09:42] <Rockwood> okay
[09:43] <Rockwood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wzxRsCDYsm/
[09:43] <tomreyn> of course you need to generally have backups of important data
[09:44] <lupulo> why windows has a binaru files what not be able to delete with rm (binary INPUT/OUTPUT error) ?
[09:44] <tomreyn> Rockwood: there is definitely sufficient space for xubuntu.
[09:45] <Rockwood> tomreyn, like windows can i delete temp %temp% cookies etc..
[09:45] <Rockwood> bcz my os start-up is slow
[09:45] <Rockwood> few time back it was fast
[09:46] <undeclared> Ubuntu 17.10, what driver do I get for my AMD HD 5450? Very confusing documentation.. thanks
[09:46] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you can have your web browser delete cookies etc.. run the web browser and press ctrl-SHIFT-delete.
[09:46] <tomreyn> Rockwood: the equivalent to windows' %temp% is deleted automatically on boot.
[09:47] <tomreyn> Rockwood: ubuntu does not get slower over time like windows may.
[09:49] <Rockwood> os startup takes time
[09:49] <TJ-> Rockwood: startup slowness is often caused by waiting for a Wireless network to connect before showing the login greeter
[09:50] <TJ-> Rockwood: you can analyse what causes the slowness with "systemd-analyze blame" and "systemd-analyze critical-chain"
[09:50] <niko> :22
[09:51] <tomreyn> niko: yes that's the default ssh port
[09:52] <tomreyn> undeclared: run "ubuntu-drivers devices" - does it list anything?
[09:52] <Rockwood> its takes time to complete installation of xubuntu-desktop ?
[09:53] <undeclared> tomreyn: I'm running 2 GPUs (one Nvidia, one AMD), it only shows nouveau and the NVIDIA driver
[09:54] <tomreyn> undeclared: nvidia AND AMD? i didn't know therE's this combination. can you run: sudo apt update; sudo apt install pastebinit; sudo lspci -knnv | pastebinit
[09:55] <undeclared> k
[09:55] <tomreyn> Rockwood: yes, onj your computer it can take like 30 minutes.
[09:55] <tomreyn> Rockwood: it also depends on download speed, though. it will need to download some hundred megabytes, maybe a gigabyte
[09:56] <undeclared> tomreyn: very cool command, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/khYXzzCSBw/
[09:56] <tomreyn> Rockwood: well no, less thna a gigabyte
[09:56] <subhash_> hey guys , i need help with dual boot. I had Lubuntu 16.04 LTS installed , then i installed windows 10 . So, now i do not gett an option to access lubuntu . I need to replace windows bootloader with GRUB. I have UEFI Bios mode. ty
[09:57] <survey0r> install lubuntu after windows
[09:58] <subhash_> i have data in lubuntu that i cannot lose.
[09:58] <subhash_> is there any way of replaceing the bootloader with GRuB
[09:59] <tomreyn> undeclared: so you have an AMD 1002:68f9 - this will be the HD 5450 and Nvidia 10de:1c03 - that's a GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
[09:59] <undeclared> K
[09:59] <undeclared> oops caps
[09:59] <survey0r> https://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows
[10:00] <Rockwood> what is function of autoremove ?
[10:00] <subhash_> will give this a try
[10:01] <JDuke256> Why do we use complex numbers on quantum computers ?
[10:01] <JDuke256> I've heard , x-axis represents light wave intensity , y-axis represents chance of value ? Is it true ? If not , what they represents ?
[10:01] <tomreyn> undeclared: the AMD one is currently using the 'radeon' driver. this is probably the right one for this card (i need yet to verify this). the nvidia is using the open source driver at this time, which does not perform very well. there is a proprietary driver available for nvidia, i am not sure whether it will work well nex tto the amd one.
[10:02] <undeclared> tomreyn: I am fine with it running nouveau, the purpose of this is to run a virtual machine with GPU direct access to the 1060.  But I just wanted to make sure the AMD was using a good driver.
[10:02] <tomreyn> JDuke256: this is not really an ubuntu support question, please find a more suitable forum.
[10:04] <undeclared> tomreyn: that's all I really needed to know, that works for me. Thanks.
[10:06] <tomreyn> undeclared: 'radeon' is the correct driver to use for the HD 5450
[10:06] <undeclared> Great ;)
[10:07] <tomreyn> survey0r: what is your question, if any?
[10:08] <tomreyn> survey0r: oh you were responding to subhash_ - got it
[10:09] <survey0r> o7
[10:19] <divineslight> hello, I am following these instructions to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10 but no luck https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[10:19] <divineslight> update-manager doesnt show me a new version is available, any idea?
[10:22] <tomreyn> divineslight: 18.04 is not released, yet, thus not an available upgrade target (unless you take further measures)
[10:23] <tomreyn> !18.04 | divineslight
[10:23] <Siamaster> I have ubuntu 17.10, yesterday I got an automatic update
[10:24] <Siamaster> I realized the icons in the docker were gone, so I restarted and I came back to a destroyed graphics driver
[10:24] <Siamaster> I reinstalled/updated the graphic drivers and it didn't help
[10:24] <divineslight> Ok, it's working now...
[10:25] <Siamaster> I follow everything in this article as well, https://charlienewey.github.io/getting-nvidia-drivers-working-on-ubuntu-17-10/ . Still nothing helped
[10:25] <Siamaster> any ideas on how to fix this?
[10:26] <Siamaster> I also get message boxes saying "System program problem detected" regularly
[10:28] <Rockwood> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4ZmCwfw53D/ installation done
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:32] <R13ose> Hi BluesKaj
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Hi R13ose
[10:33] <R13ose> BluesKaj: what's up?
[10:33] <BluesKaj> morning coffee as usual
[10:35] <R13ose> BluesKaj: good to know
[10:36] <BluesKaj> really?  :-)
[10:36] <R13ose> Yep
[10:38] <R13ose> BluesKaj: what are you up to these days?
[10:39] <Rockwood> tomreyn, i rebooted the machine
[10:39] <Rockwood> i know that not requires
[10:40] <BluesKaj> R13ose, testing Kubuntu Bionic atm
[10:41] <R13ose> BluesKaj: what's the different between that and normal Kubuntu?
[10:41] <divineslight> Ever since I upgraded my bit old Hp Probook to ubuntu 17.10 80% of time when I shutdown/restart my pc hangs on a black screen with a wall of text.
[10:41] <divineslight> R13ose, Bionic is 18.04 beta version :)
[10:42] <R13ose> Oh, never knew that.  I will wait until end of month.
[10:42] <BluesKaj> r1` it's a development release, not officially released until later this month
[10:42] <R13ose> divineslight: what does the text say?
[10:42] <BluesKaj> R13ose,^
[10:43] <leru> hi, my laptop doesn't have a context menu button. so i want to map the print button to it. is there a simple way like a command i can use?
[10:43] <R13ose> BluesKaj: anything new that is interesting?
[10:43] <leru> i tried it via "xmodmap -e 'keycode 107 = Menu'" in .profile. but i seems not to be executed
[10:46] <BluesKaj> R13ose, not on the surface at least, seems quite stable already
[10:46] <BluesKaj> R13ose, not on the surface at least, seems quite stable already
[10:46] <BluesKaj> oops
[10:46] <R13ose> No worries
[10:52] <s10gopal> can anyone please help me to make kernel on google cloud ?
[10:53] <Siamaster> Should I just wait to see if the next update fixes my issue?
[10:53] <Siamaster> I can't find anything on how to solve my issue
[10:54] <Siamaster> and I keep getting message boxes saying that Ubuntu has experienced an internal issue
[10:56] <R13ose> Siamaster: https://itsfoss.com/how-to-solve-sorry-ubuntu-12-04-has-experienced-an-internal-error/
[10:59] <Siamaster> well, my problem is not the message box
[10:59] <Siamaster> nvidia drivers are not even working
[11:00] <s10gopal> how to configure ssh?
[11:00] <Siamaster> but I mentioned the message box as additional info
[11:00] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YyZwFSqvw4/ why its taking time in startup
[11:09] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you could uninstall mysql
[11:10] <tomreyn> Rockwood: or apache
[11:10] <Rockwood> why ?
[11:10] <tomreyn> well, it wouls speed up booting, that'S what you want
[11:11] <tomreyn> if you need them to be locally installed, however, then this wont change
[11:11] <Rockwood> without mysql and apache meaningless machine for me
[11:11] <tomreyn> unless you get a faster disk
[11:11] <tomreyn> Rockwood: then maybe you should not have a graphical user interface, no desktop there?
[11:11] <Rockwood> still not
[11:11] <tomreyn> i don't know how you use it
[11:12] <Rockwood> tomreyn, asking ?
[11:12] <tomreyn> is it supposed ot be a server, is it supposed to be a desktop, is it supposed tó be both? the latter is a rare use case, especially if you have multiple computers like you do.
[11:12] <Rockwood> tomreyn> Rockwood: then maybe you should not have a graphical user interface, no desktop there?   i installed that xubuntu desktop
[11:13] <jink> Rockwood: What's the purpose of the machine?  Server and/or desktop?
[11:13] <Rockwood> just for development purpose
[11:13] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i don't mean to ciriticise, i'm just trying to help you use this system more effectively. so i'm wondering how you use it.
[11:13] <tomreyn> Rockwood: what do you develop there?
[11:14] <Rockwood> both i need
[11:14] <Rockwood> web applications in php html css js
[11:14] <jink> So, either don't start Apache and MySQL on boot, or don't complain and leave it running.
[11:14] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you have another computer you said, isnt it?
[11:15] <tomreyn> jink: i don't think he complained, just pointed out that it takes long to boot.
[11:15] <jink> Sounds like a complaint to me. :')
[11:15] <jink> But maybe I'm overly sensitive. ¯\_ツ_/¯
[11:15] <tomreyn> an observation from my POV
[11:15] <Rockwood> jink, i am not complaining
[11:15] <jink> K, cool.
[11:15] <tomreyn> of course "long" is relative, it dpeends on what you compare to what
[11:16] <jink> Sure.
[11:16] <Rockwood> just asking how to improve my os settings
[11:16] <jink> Rockwood: tomreyn suggests you run apache and mysql on a different machine.  Then push your code there to test.
[11:17] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i dont think there is much you can do, this low spec hardware is loaded with the dual purpose LAM stack and desktop
[11:17] <tomreyn> *LAMP
[11:17] <Rockwood> is possible increase virtual memory ?
[11:17] <tomreyn> Rockwood: this is not windows
[11:17] <Rockwood> yes i am using LAMP stack
[11:17] <tomreyn> memory management works entirely differentkly
[11:18] <Rockwood> is it possible stop mysql and apache at the startup and run em manually, when i require that
[11:19] <Rockwood> ?
[11:19] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so, if you'll keep using this system as you do now, as both a desktop and a server, it will remain slow to boot and overall slow, too. an SSD or even just a 7200 RPM HDD instead of the 5400 one you have now would help.
[11:20] <tomreyn> Rockwood: sure you can start these services later.
[11:20] <Rockwood> tomreyn, how to stop em from startup ?
[11:20] <tomreyn> systemctl disable apache2; systemctl disable mysql
[11:21] <Rockwood> for all time
[11:21] <Rockwood> ?
[11:21] <tomreyn> this stops them from starting automatically at boot
[11:21] <Rockwood> okay
[11:21] <tomreyn> then, when you need them: systemctl start mysql; systemctl start apache2
[11:22] <tomreyn> there are also "restart" and "stop" actions
[11:23] <Rockwood> update-rc.d: error: Permission denied i am getting error
[11:23] <Rockwood> why i am entering correct password
[11:23] <Rockwood> why its happening if   i am entering correct password
[11:24] <tomreyn> Rockwood: it should not. maybe you are mixing up sudo and root passwords?
[11:24] <Ool> sudo ?
[11:24] <Rockwood> okay
[11:25] <tomreyn> normally it works without explicitly specifying 'sudo'
[11:26] <Rockwood> tomreyn, looks fine now ?
[11:26] <Rockwood> http://dpaste.com/27QTZZ1
[11:27] <tomreyn> Rockwood: sor apache2, yes. mysql is unchanged
[11:27] <tomreyn> *for
[11:28] <tomreyn> and you actually need to specify "sudo" in your case, sorry.
[11:29] <jk^> hi tomreyn, now system recognizes the printer, but when i try to print a document, it doesn't print. Actually, printer has a problem, but it doesn't show me any error message on the cartridge problems or other kind of problems
[11:29] <Venthe1> Hello. Could you tell me if I can expect any problems with following setup... Disc 1. SSD ubuntu with full disc encryption, Disc 2 HDD with 1 partition dedicated to win10 and another for ubuntu(encrypted). I do not care about encryption of windows partition.
[11:31] <tomreyn> jk^: which printer is this about? i don't know what you're referring to.
[11:31] <jk^> Epson Stylus SX130
[11:31] <jk^> tomreyn
[11:31] <tomreyn> jk^: oh that was you, ok. which ubuntu release is this again?
[11:32] <tomreyn> jk^: what makes you say "actually printer has a problem"?
[11:32] <jk^> lubuntu 16.04.4
[11:32] <jk^> LTS
[11:33] <jk^> I guess cartridges problem
[11:35] <tomreyn> jk^: that'd be a physical issue then, like a paper jam
[11:35] <tomreyn> jk^: or maybe the tanks have dried or just depleted
[11:36] <tomreyn> jk^: maybe http://localhost:631 will tell you how your recent print jobs were handled and what the printer status is
[11:36] <jk^> yes, but i supposed it must have a status monitor or whatelse, or however it has to show me a message if the print is denied
[11:38] <tomreyn> jk^: it would show on the cups web interface at http://localhost:631 as well as in your desktops's printer management GUI
[11:38] <mingdao> jk^: There might also be something in /var/log/cups/error_log
[11:39] <tomreyn> jk^: if the printer is properly managed / the drivers work well then i'd expect a message to show automatically on screen when a print job fails or is stalled.
[11:39] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://dpaste.com/31QX13G done now
[11:40] <tomreyn> jk^: the epson download page you downloaded the drivers from also offered epson software for printer management which would probably also display such. but as i just said, it should already be possible if the drivers are well done.
[11:40] <nick_> Hello
[11:40] <nick_> ill ask a newbie question
[11:40] <jk^> tomreyn, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1S6XPKyYlznA6COW-BBkHXJIKd98iSNGn
[11:41] <tomreyn> Rockwood: yes, looks like it. startup should be faster now, you can run "systemd-analyze blame" again after next boot.
[11:42] <jk^> localhost:631 recognized printer too, but in the system, when i tried to print, it didn't return me any error, or warning, or message
[11:42] <Nicolas__> How to run an exe file/game etc
[11:43] <Nicolas__> jk^ i think ive seen that question in an askubuntu thread
[11:43] <tomreyn> jk^: have you tried switching the printer off and on again?
[11:44] <jk^> E [06/Apr/2018:13:30:32 +0200] [Job 1] Stopping unresponsive job.
[11:44] <jk^> but it is probably referred to another previous process, a test page, i tried to print yesterday at it was still in queue
[11:44] <Nicolas__> jk^: what version are you using?
[11:44] <Rockwood> tomreyn, i am facing another issue
[11:44] <Rockwood> System program problem detected
[11:45] <Nicolas__> Rockwood: if you've tried to report it and it did not it may be cause your computer doesn't have enough space
[11:46] <Nicolas__> Rockwood: and once your system upgrades some errors/problems will be fixed and updated
[11:48] <jk^> tomreyn, yes, i've tried switching it off and on again
[11:49] <tomreyn> jk^: does the printer have any hardware status indicator (LEDs or LCD)? is / was there any indication that it received the job or is processing it?
[11:50] <Rockwood> System program problem detected <--- i am facing another issue now tomreyn
[11:50] <generalfluffles> how to run a windows (exe) file
[11:50] <generalfluffles> ive been trying to run one for a while
[11:50] <Rockwood> by software wine
[11:51] <generalfluffles> ive tried that as well
[11:51] <Rockwood> then ?
[11:51] <Rockwood> any error ?
[11:51] <generalfluffles> it only brings me the setup every time i launch it
[11:51] <Rockwood> never completed ?
[11:51] <generalfluffles> yes
[11:51] <katnip> how do i add a user to a sudoers group on cli?
[11:51] <jk^> there are no hardware indications about receiving any job or progress, just a cartridges red led to advise about that cartriges problem
[11:52] <jk^> tomreyn
[11:52] <generalfluffles> that question is on askubuntu
[11:52] <generalfluffles> i saw it yesterday while i was browsing
[11:52] <Rockwood> Nicolas__ just updated
[11:52] <jk^> but i still guess it has to show me a message about all that
[11:52] <generalfluffles> https://askubuntu.com/questions/2214/how-do-i-add-a-user-to-the-sudo-group
[11:52] <jk^> generalfluffles, what have i to searchfor?
[11:53] <tomreyn> Rockwood: got more details?
[11:53] <generalfluffles> jk^: do u have the error's name?
[11:53] <generalfluffles> jk^: or
[11:53] <generalfluffles> jk^: are u sure this is an error?
[11:54] <tomreyn> Rockwood: okay, check the printer manual what to do about this situation
[11:54] <Rockwood> tomreyn,hows ?
[11:54] <tomreyn> Rockwood: once there is no more cartridge error anymore, try printing again. if it still fails, seek support here.
[11:54] <generalfluffles> jk^: im sure ull find it in askubuntu ive solved many problems there
[11:55] <tomreyn> Rockwood:  sorry this was for jk^
[11:55] <jk^> generalfluffles, when i try to print it doesn't return me any error
[11:55] <generalfluffles> jk^: then there's a problem with the printer
[11:55] <Rockwood> tomreyn, what should i do for remove error ?
[11:55] <jk^> nothing just happens
[11:55] <tomreyn> jk^: check the printer manual what to do about this situation. once there is no more cartridge error anymore, try printing again. if it still fails, seek support here.
[11:56] <generalfluffles> jk^: i believe there is a program that allows you to print through terminal
[11:56] <jk^> tomreyn, ok, thanks a lot :)
[11:56] <tomreyn> Rockwood: some software was running or starting and then crashed. if you already closed the notification window then we cannot find out which. if it's still open, you can choose to get more information and post a screenshot.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> katnip the scroll tot the bottom of the asbove url, the last 2 examples should work
[11:57] <BluesKaj> scuse the typos
[11:57] <Rockwood> tomreyn, there was only two options cancel or send
[11:57] <tomreyn> Rockwood: actually /var/log/apport.log should tell what crashed, if you desire to find out.
[11:59] <generalfluffles> jk^: you could try man lpr
[11:59] <generalfluffles> or lpr /path-to-file-to-print
[11:59] <tomreyn> Rockwood: when you choose to "report problem", you can get more information
[12:00] <tomreyn> Rockwood: did this message show after you tried to run something in wine?
[12:01] <mingdao> jk^: Did you clear the old jobs?
[12:01] <tomreyn> Rockwood: .exe files are not made for linux. wine is a "best-effort" approach on trying to make some of them run on linux. it will often not work out of the box.
[12:01] <generalfluffles> is there a gobuster for linux?
[12:02] <generalfluffles> no?
[12:02] <tomreyn> generalfluffles: do you mean this? https://github.com/OJ/gobuster
[12:06] <generalfluffles> tomreyn: yes
[12:07] <generalfluffles> tomreyn: ive been searching it for a while and it seems useful but as far i saw its for windows
[12:07] <tomreyn> generalfluffles: scroll down on this page and read "building"
[12:08] <Rockwood> tomaw, http://dpaste.com/37PBY16
[12:09] <Rockwood> what is vnstatd ?
[12:09] <tomreyn> !info vnstat
[12:09] <generalfluffles> oh wow
[12:09] <generalfluffles> thanks
[12:09] <tomreyn> Rockwood: a package you seem to have manually installed
[12:10] <Rockwood> means its not working ? tomreyn
[12:10] <tomreyn> Rockwood: btw. my nickname here is tomreyn, watch out with autocompletion there.
[12:11] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i don't know whether it does not work in general, but it sure fails for you regularly.
[12:11] <tomreyn> !info vnstat xenial
[12:11] <generalfluffles> tomreyn:
[12:11] <generalfluffles> tomreyn: how to install gobuster?
[12:12] <Rockwood> i want to remove then
[12:12] <generalfluffles> ive installed go
[12:12] <katnip> i read all over askubuntu and other places for sudo adduser adduser sudo
[12:12] <katnip> nothing is working
[12:12] <Rockwood> go language tool ?
[12:13] <katnip> if someone knows, just tell me
[12:13] <tomreyn> katnip: what are you trying to do?
[12:13] <katnip> adduser to a sudoers file
[12:13] <tomreyn> katnip: why?
[12:13] <generalfluffles> yes
[12:13] <katnip> for znc in rpi
[12:14] <generalfluffles> oo
[12:14] <generalfluffles> nevermind wrong package
[12:14] <generalfluffles> i installed golang-go
[12:14] <tomreyn> katnip: znc does not need root access nor does it need to run as root.
[12:14] <tomreyn> katnip: so why?
[12:15] <generalfluffles> okay this question might sound dumb
[12:15] <katnip> tomreyn, one of the setups in pi is znc --makeconf and it says not in root, so i need to config a user
[12:15] <generalfluffles> is playonlinux better than wine?
[12:15] <Rockwood> tomreyn, i removed that
[12:15] <Rockwood> thanks for nice help tomreyn
[12:16] <Rockwood> special to tomreyn
[12:16] <tomreyn> katnip: are you running a supported ubuntu release on this system, installed using the ubuntu installer?
[12:16] <tomreyn> Rockwood: welcome
[12:16] <Rockwood> thanks friends
[12:16] <Rockwood> tom how to install network printer ?
[12:16] <tomreyn> generalfluffles: it says on the github page, just read it carefully.
[12:16] <katnip> tomreyn, it's raspbian however it is standard linux commands
[12:17] <Rockwood> in ubuntu 16.04
[12:17] <tomreyn> Rockwood: get a network printer and configure it.
[12:17] <Rockwood> i have tried but cant
[12:17] <tomreyn> Rockwood: your printer is currently connected via usb, not via network (ethernet, wireless lan)
[12:18] <Rockwood> i have another laptop which is have windows 7
[12:18] <tomreyn> Rockwood: in fact it might be connected both ways, but you are currently managing it via the usb connection
[12:18] <generalfluffles> ohh
[12:18] <generalfluffles> got it
[12:18] <Rockwood> i installed printer on that
[12:18] <generalfluffles> thanks
[12:18] <tomreyn> katnip: not supported here
[12:18] <Rockwood> but my both laptops in same network
[12:18] <tomreyn> katnip: how many times have you been told this before?
[12:19] <jk^> did someone read me?
[12:19] <katnip> none
[12:19] <katnip> thank very much then
[12:19] <generalfluffles> i might be getting a bit annoying but
[12:19] <jk^> in the scan drivers bundle there are a file install.sh and three folders: core, data and plugins :\ there isn't any .deb packages :(
[12:19] <Rockwood> printer attach by usb on another widows base computer tomreyn
[12:19] <generalfluffles> im facing an error with kodi
[12:19] <jk^> how to install without a file with .deb extension? :(
[12:20] <generalfluffles> jk^: you can check askubuntu
[12:20] <jk^> if i try to open install.sh it says me "install.sh text file seems to be a executable script, what do u wanto to do?"
[12:20] <jk^> run, run in terminal, open, cancel
[12:20] <jk^> :(
 but it isn't a .deb file :(
[12:20] <jk^> generalfluffles, which link?
[12:21] <Rockwood> okay another time
[12:21] <Rockwood> i have to go
[12:21] <Rockwood> thanks cya
[12:21] <generalfluffles> jk^: i believe this is what you need if you want to install it with terminal
[12:21] <generalfluffles> bye
[12:21] <generalfluffles> https://askubuntu.com/questions/335752/how-to-install-deb-file-in-ubuntu-using-terminal
[12:21] <confluency> This is not a deb file.
[12:21] <confluency> If you have a file called install.sh, it sounds like a bash script which installs stuff.
[12:22] <confluency> You should run it in a terminal, in case there is important output, or it prompts you for input.
[12:22] <generalfluffles> i usually see install.sh in files as instructions
[12:22] <confluency> That wouldn't be called .sh
[12:22] <confluency> .sh suggests that it's an installation script.
[12:23] <generalfluffles> o yes you're right
 what are you actually installing?
[12:23] <generalfluffles> i might confused install with install.sh
[12:23] <confluency> install could also be a script.
[12:24] <generalfluffles> confluency: do you know about kodi?
[12:24] <confluency> No.
[12:24] <generalfluffles> oh
[12:24] <confluency> But what is your error?
[12:24] <generalfluffles> im facing an error with the subtitles
[12:24] <confluency> Paste it if it's one line, or pastebin it if it's long.
[12:24] <confluency> Oh, that kind of error.
[12:24] <generalfluffles> yes
[12:24] <confluency> What is the symptom?
[12:25] <confluency> Don't ask if people know about something; just describe your issue in as much detail as you can.
[12:25] <confluency> Then people will actually be able to gauge if they can help.
[12:26] <tomreyn> katnip: sorry about the harsh tone then. we only support ubuntu here, see also /topic
[12:26] <jk^> confluency, printer, scan and utilities of my printer
[12:27] <confluency> jk^: then it's probably some kind of installation script.
[12:27] <confluency> jk^: are there any files with instructions?
[12:28] <confluency> katnip: there's a #raspbian channel.
[12:28] <katnip> i'm always in it
[12:28] <confluency> jk^: if there aren't any instructions, run the installation script in a terminal.
[12:29] <generalfluffles> confluency, nevermind i fixed it
[12:29] <s10gopal> !ping
[12:29] <jk^> This scanner driver bundle contains all components of Image Scan! for
[12:29] <jk^> Linux that are needed for the scanner you selected and a convenience
[12:29] <jk^> ``install.sh`` script.  The script can be used to install everything
[12:29] <jk^> with a single command.
[12:29] <jk^> excuse me, in the text file, it was one line :(
[12:29] <jk^> sorry
[12:30] <jk^> confluency, when it asked me what to do, i clicked "RUN"
[12:30] <confluency> OK, so run the script in a terminal. And pay attention to anything it prints out, in case it needs input or is telling you something.
[12:30] <jk^> but it seems nothing happened
[12:30] <confluency> Don't open it in your GUI manager. Run it from a terminal.
[12:30] <jk^> What is the difference between RUN and RUN IN A TERMINAL?
[12:31] <jk^> i hate terminal :(
[12:31] <confluency> You open a terminal, you navigate to where the file is, and you run it in teh terminal.
[12:31] <generalfluffles> jk^: if you then download windows
[12:31] <confluency> Well, you will continue to have no idea what is happening unless you run the script from a terminal so that you can see if there is output.
[12:32] <generalfluffles> jk^: if you wish to download any .deb .tar.gz terminal is the first thing you'll need
[12:32] <jk^> ok... i guess even in graphical way, if something happens, it should show me related messages
[12:33] <jk^> no
[12:33] <jk^> generalfluffles, for the printer drivers i used a file with .deb extension
[12:33] <jk^> i installed it by graphical way
[12:34] <generalfluffles> jk^, i dont use a printer so i dont know how its like to use one
[12:34] <jk^> ok
[12:34] <tomreyn> jk^: you could use ubuntu without a temrinal just fine if you exclusively had acquired hardware which was produced by companies which care much about the user experience on linux. this is not the case, though.
[12:35] <generalfluffles> how to open a file with wine
[12:35] <generalfluffles> every time i click nothing happens at all
[12:35] <jk^> now i'm installing my printer's utlity drivers, it's a .deb file, i just double clicked it, it opens a window and i clicked "install package", i enter my password, and all is done
[12:35] <jk^> so useful :)
[12:35] <mateothegreat> that actually worked?!
[12:35] <tomreyn> generalfluffles: what kind of file are you trying to open,, and why do you want to do it using wine?
[12:36] <generalfluffles> tomreyn, its an .exe file
[12:36] <tomreyn> generalfluffles: why do you want to run an .exe file on ubuntu?
[12:36] <generalfluffles> its a game to be clear
[12:36] <Guest71646> Hi i have a question about Ubuntu 17.04: I'm on a recent fresh install. I wanted to record my screen and used CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+R to use the screen recorder that comes with Ubuntu. It worked well for a few recordings. Then I made a longer recording (90 seconds) and I noticed the system became slower and less responsive so I stopped recording. After that point, when I try to record, the system instantly freezes (no mouse or keyboard input. Keyboard itself
[12:36] <generalfluffles> cause there is no other alternate for this game
[12:36] <Guest71646> is frozen (e.g. caps lock lights dont come on etc) and nothing helps but a hard reset.  After rebooting, the system is fine and everythign is back to normal, except when I record again. It instantly freezes and the same issue happens. Any ideas of how I can approach identifying the issue here?
[12:37] <generalfluffles> you might want to stop flooding the chat
[12:37] <tomreyn> generalfluffles: check https://appdb.winehq.org/ for instructions on how to use this game through wine on linux (if any)
[12:37] <tomreyn> !wine | generalfluffles
[12:38] <generalfluffles> okay thanks
[12:38] <tomreyn> !17.04 | Guest71646
[12:38] <tomreyn> !eol | Guest71646
[12:39] <tomreyn> Guest71646: in other words, this ubuntu release is not supported here. but we can guide you through the UPGRADE IF NEEDED. YOUR BETTER APPROACH IS PROBABLY TO DO A FRESH INSTALL OF A SUPPORTED RELEASE, THOUGH.
[12:39] <tomreyn> sorry about the caps
[12:39] <Guest71646> tomreyn: Thanks for the info. My bad I mistakenly said 17.04 instead of 17.10 (I'm on wayland)
[12:40] <tomreyn> Guest71646: oh ok, that's supported for a little longer still
 jk^: you could use ubuntu without a temrinal just fine if you exclusively had acquired hardware which was produced by companies which care much about the user experience on linux. this is not the case, though.
[12:41] <jk^> I don't understand... Because Linux is just an operating system... if it's possible to do a thing by terminal, i guess it should be possible to do the same thing without a terminal therefore by "clicks", by graphical solutions
[12:41] <tomreyn> Guest71646: has your disk run full? do you know how to work in a temrinal?
[12:42] <Guest71646> tomreyn: disk is not full and I have 6gb of free swap space. I know how to work in a terminal
[12:43] <confluency> jk^: it's "possible" if someone writes software that does it. That doesn't mean anyone has or is ever going to write that software.
[12:43] <confluency> jk^: someone providing an installer script for a printer is unlikely to spend time writing a fully-featured GUI for it.
[12:44] <Guest71646> tomreyn: i used a separate recording tool that uses the ubuntu built-in recording tool API and that also instantly froze my system. The issue is definitely with the built in recording tool but I have no idea how to approach it
[12:44] <tomreyn> Guest71646: so you verified that none of the file systems have run full using "df -h"?
[12:45] <Guest71646> tomreyn: dev/loop1 ,2, 3 are all full. I've never used this command before so I don't know what those are
[12:45] <Guest71646> tomreyn: the other files systems are not full
[12:46] <vlt> Hello. On 16.04 LTS since a few days ago my passphrase protected ~./ssh/id_rsa gets automatically loaded to the ssh-agent when I login, even after reboot. What might be going on here?
[12:46] <tomreyn> Guest71646: hmm i guess this can be a wayland related issue, maybe try with an X session if that's acceptable workaround, or search lauinchpad for known bugs regarding this recording tool (which i have never worked with). if you do not know the name, run it and check "ps auxw" in a terminal.
[12:46] <Guest71646> tomreyn: Got it. Thanks a lot! Have a nice day :D
[12:48] <tomreyn> jk^: it's basically the same on other OS and also any technical machinery: if something doesn't work well by default you will need to look under the hood and manually apply modifications there so it can work.
[12:48] <tomreyn> Guest71646: glad i could help (if not sure how). and a nice day to you, too.
[12:48] <confluency> Thinking of the terminal as "under the hood" does it a bit of a disservice, and may lead to disappointment.
[12:49] <confluency> Not using the terminal at all is like... only using the preset functions on your microwave, and nothing else, ever,
[12:49] <confluency> As soon as you want to set your own time and temperature, you need to use more buttons.
[12:50] <confluency> You can get very far on Ubuntu without the terminal, certainly, but you're using a fraction of what it can do.
[12:50] <tomreyn> confluency: i guess it's a matter or perspectives. if you grew up with an OS where everything is basically done graphically (and there is not really a way to do much of it differently, or this way is even worse) then you may have gotten this idea.
[12:51] <confluency> I understand why people have this idea.
[12:51] <confluency> But I wish more people would try to break out of that mindset.
[12:51] <confluency> One of the things the terminal is good for is breaking down the (artificial) barrier between "user" and "programmer".
[12:51] <tomreyn> I agree.
[12:52] <confluency> There's much more of a gradient between them if you start using the shell for things.
[12:52] <confluency> TL;DR: I love the shell. :)
[12:52] <hitchhiker54> is launchpad the best place to file a report on 18.04 beta 2? not a crash or anything, just an oddity with minimal install and software center
[12:52] <tomreyn> !18.04 | hitchhiker54 yes but:
[12:53] <hitchhiker54> my bad, will move there, cheers
[12:53] <tomreyn> hitchhiker54: you'd use the "ubuntu-bug" command
[12:55] <generalfluffles> tomreyn, #winehq channel sure arent kind
[12:55] <generalfluffles> and arent helpful
[12:56] <tomreyn> well i cant helpyou either, you're pretty much on your own with running .exe's
[12:57] <generalfluffles> okay can u at least tell me one thing
[12:57] <generalfluffles> i tried using winecfg
[12:57] <generalfluffles> okay
[12:57] <generalfluffles> that configures the file
[12:57] <generalfluffles> then what
[13:00] <ubuntu_> hi
[13:02] <ubuntu_> i have problem with openvpn it's connect and my ip change but i can't connect blocked sits?
[13:02] <vlt> ubuntu_: What did you do, what did you expect to happen and what happened instead?
[13:03] <V7> Vjd
[13:04] <ubuntu_> i connect to openvpn server when i check my ip is change but i can connect to unblocked websites only
[13:04] <eraserpencil> Hey guys, are snaps able to communicated with USB and serial devices?
[13:06] <vlt> ubuntu_: What else did you expect to happen? A connection to a blocked site? That doesn't make much sense to me.
[13:06] <eraserpencil> Im thinking of packaging up some source code I have, not sure the best way to do it. It needs to communicate with alot of wired hardware.
[13:07] <ubuntu_> for example i cant open youtube without vpn i need to change my ip to another country
[13:09] <ubuntu_> i have this problem only on debian base distros but when i use another distro like fedora i dont have that problem
[13:09] <tomreyn> there is a #snappy channel and https://snapcraft.io with documentation. of course you can also create deb's (debian packages), and maybe make them available through a PPA.
[13:09] <tomreyn> eraserpencil: ^
[13:10] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:10] <eraserpencil> thanks!
[13:10] <vlt> ubuntu_: Do you have a VPN connection to a VPN server in another country? Do you use that VPN connection as default route?
[13:13] <ubuntu_> vlt: yes and i install openvpn openvpn-network-manager for use it.
[13:15] <vlt> ubuntu_: Can you paste `ip route`, please?
[13:18] <tomreyn> chances are name resolution takes place locally, not via the vpn
[13:19] <tomreyn> iran is infamous for dns level blocks
[13:32] <vlt> Hello. On 16.04 LTS since a few days ago my passphrase protected ~/.ssh/id_rsa gets automatically loaded to the ssh-agent when I login, even after reboot. What might be going on here?
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> vlt, is the passphrase the same as your user login?
[13:37] <vlt> pragmaticenigma: Nope.
[13:38] <leftyfb> vlt: that's a feature, not a bug
[13:38] <vlt> leftyfb: But what exactly happens there? And since when and why?
[13:38] <leftyfb> vlt: Since a long time, and for convenience
[13:39] <leftyfb> vlt: go into the "passwords and keys" utility and delete the entry for your key if you don't want your login to cache and unlock the credentials for your ssh key
[13:41] <vlt> On my machine I observe this behaviour only for a few (like two?) days.
[13:42] <leftyfb> vlt: it's been like this for years
[13:44] <leru> hi, my laptop doesn't have a context menu button. so i want to map the print button to it. is there a simple way like a command i can use? i tried it via "xmodmap -e 'keycode 107 = Menu'" in .profile. but i seems not to be executed
[13:45] <pragmaticenigma> leru, mouse right click doesn't work for you?
[14:04]  * tomreyn also considers automatically populating ssh-agent a bug.
[14:09] <s10gopal> how to undo   mv config-4.12.0-041200-generic ./config
[14:10] <Cheez> s10gopal: mv config config.4.12.0-041200-generic
[14:11] <s10gopal> thx
[14:33] <vlt> leftyfb: I know for a fact that last week I had to enter my passphrase the first time I wanted to use the key. Something must have happened since then.
[14:34] <vlt> How can I find out what that might have been?
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> vlt, an option was suggested to you on how to restore a password request when using the key. That's all I know, if that isn't working let us know and we can figure out how to ensure it requests the password
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> vlt, Help on why is too difficult as so many things could have occured in the time since you setup the key, first used it, and noticed that it wasn't requesting you to enter tha password anymore. You would have to go through your notes about what you have done with your computer to figure that out.
[14:46] <vlt> pragmaticenigma: Shouldn't everything be listed somewhere in /var/log/apt/?
[14:47] <boklm87ZU76> has anyone had an issue with using tor browser and pulseaudio like there is a conflict when tor browser was using sound and then if I launch another application for sound it does not have access to pulseaudio unless I do killall pulseaudio? is there an issue with pulseaudio with more than one application trying to access it?
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> vlt, no
[14:49] <vlt> pragmaticenigma: Can you name an example for what else (other than an apt upgrade) might have changed?
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> vlt, you were already told. Upon use, the user keychain stored the password.
[14:50] <ramsub07> Hi, when i try and ssh into my server from my system I get this error, "Could not chdir to home directory". Whereas when i try from my desktop, it works
[14:51] <ramsub07> both are running 16.04
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> vlt, when you authenticate to the computer, it also unlocks the keychain vault. Any password stored in the keychain is automatically used, when the valut is in an unlocked state
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> boklm87ZU76, we cannot support the Tor browser as it is provided by another development group. If you are having issues with the Tor browswer, you should seek out their support channels for help.
[14:52] <boklm87ZU76> its more than tor browswer its pulseaudio and I am not really sure its the fault of tor browser at all
[14:53] <OnkelTem> Hi folks. I have windows installed on another HDD but after Ubuntu reinstallation (17.10) its' just missed from boot meny
[14:53] <OnkelTem> u
[14:53] <OnkelTem> Also I don't see any boot menu
[14:53] <OnkelTem> And shift does't bring it up
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> boklm87ZU76, does it happen when your launch tor? If so, it's tor that's causing the problem.
[14:54] <OnkelTem> When I run sudo update-grub there is basically no my old Windows HDD
[14:54] <boklm87ZU76> pragmaticenigma: can application restrict pulseaudio to just itself? tor is not run as root so that is part of my question as well.
[14:54] <OnkelTem> In other words, Ubuntu installation just silently ignored the other hdd and didn't add it to the list
[14:55] <OnkelTem> I remember like 15 years ago linux was no so arrogant
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, STOP!
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | OnkelTem
[14:55] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: ok ok
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> boklm87ZU76, applications should never be run as root, unless it is for a system operation (such as apt update and apt upgrade). PulseAudio's purpose is to allow more than one application to send sound events to the sound card from different applications. If you only experience an issue during or after launching Tor, then the issue is with Tor.
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> boklm87ZU76, therefor no, it's not possible for a program to lock PulseAudio to only provide sound to itself,
[14:58] <boklm87ZU76> then your response does not make sense how is it tor?
[14:59] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: do you actually seek help with this issue?
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> boklm87ZU76, I already said: If the issue occurs during or after the usage of Tor, then it's very likely Tor is to blame. If you are experiencing issues after a reboot and not having launched Tor, then the issue is somewhere else
[15:00] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: I don't find any gui for my boot menu, and this is odd
[15:00] <boklm87ZU76> you also said it couldn't lock pulse audio to itself.
[15:00] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: probably it was renamed to something else?
[15:00] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: and sure, I'd like to boot from my other hdd from Grub. Also I'm curious how it's done nowadays
[15:00] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: gui for your boot menu? i'm not sure what you mean? are you referring to grub?
[15:01] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: GUI for Grub yeah
[15:01] <tomreyn> i'm not aware of a GUI for grub, but i never seeked one.
[15:01] <OnkelTem> But my final goal is to add my other drive with Windows to grub menu
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> boklm87ZU76, cause and effect. I'm going from the information you provided. You said the issue occurs when Tor is launched... Then the assumption is Tor is the cause
[15:01] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: ok, is there a console tool for that?
[15:01] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: is os-prober installed?
[15:02] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: I think yes
[15:02] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: don't think, check it ;-) dpkg -l os-prober
[15:03] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: I've checked of course. Something has been completed in the cmd line
[15:03] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: if os-prober is installed and you run "sudo update-grub" then all your detected OS installations will be added to the grub menu
[15:03] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: but it doesn't see my other ssd
[15:04] <OnkelTem> it doesn't add it, nothing
[15:04] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: what's the output of: lsblk | pastebinit
[15:04] <DeeJayTwo> Hi, here's the situation: I have a socket file that got overwritten for unknown reasons.
[15:05] <DeeJayTwo> Is it possible to kind of recover it?
[15:05] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: https://apaste.info/oDNs
[15:05] <DeeJayTwo> netstat shows me the program is still thinking the socket file is exists
[15:05] <DeeJayTwo> but obiously it doesn't work anymore as it's overwritten
[15:05] <DeeJayTwo> It would be helpful if I hadn't to restart the program...
[15:05] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: it's not there I guess, hm
[15:06] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: thanks. I think I need to check the hardware part
[15:06] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: but from its size I think it shoul be sdc.
[15:06] <OnkelTem> and it's not detected by os-prober then
[15:07] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: so "sudo os-prober" outputs nothing?
[15:07] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: it wont work if the disk is not listed in the lsblk output, that's right.
[15:10] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: sudo file -sL /dev/sd* | pastebinit
[15:11] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMTZzK25QS/
[15:13] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: and sudo os-prober doesn't output anything
[15:13] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: so there are ntfs fiel systems on sdc1 and sdc2
[15:13] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: yep
[15:14] <OnkelTem> and while sdc has an MBR of Windows 7, it's not being detected by os-prober
[15:15] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: so windows worked fine before you installed ubuntu?
[15:15] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: sure, that's right. My daughter had been playing Minecraft every day :)
[15:16] <OnkelTem> Let me restart now, I want to log into windows by just booting from that hdd
[15:16] <OnkelTem> Then I'll come back
[15:16] <tomreyn> OnkelTem: did you make any other chnages between when you last ran windows and before you first booted linux off the hard disk, such as changing boot order or uefi / BIOS booting?
[15:17] <tomreyn> or any other firmware changes?
[15:17] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: No, I don't think so.
[15:18] <OnkelTem> I'm going it restart now
[15:18] <tomreyn> ok, dont let me stop you rebooting then
[15:18] <OnkelTem> ok
[15:19] <gtrmtx> so, the last two things ive tried to install via apt-get have both given me similar errors
[15:19] <gtrmtx> "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[15:19] <gtrmtx> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[15:19] <gtrmtx> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[15:19] <gtrmtx> or been moved out of Incoming.
[15:19] <gtrmtx> "
[15:20] <tomreyn> !paste | gtrmtx
[15:20] <gtrmtx> sorry
[15:20] <gtrmtx> http://pasteall.org/910632
[15:21] <gtrmtx> similar message also trying to install kimchi
[15:21] <gtrmtx> and on kimchi it hangs really bad. i have to restart the server, dpkg --configure -a, ctrl-c
[15:22] <gtrmtx> just to regain access to apt
[15:24] <basz> Hi after an apt upgrade, a ssh login results in 'mesg: ttyname failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device' and a non responsive terminal (no prompt). I can run command if I don't login. so 'ssh root@blah ls -la' works
[15:24] <basz> HOw would I get my promt back?
[15:25] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: Just checked, everyting works. I used boot menu to boot from sdc and Windows feels good.
[15:25] <Carll> basz: is this as root?
[15:25] <basz> yep
[15:26] <Carll> two secs will pastebin how to fix
[15:26] <basz> It consistent across three digitalocean nodes
[15:26] <Carll> basz: https://pastebin.com/RnvHkPa1
[15:27] <basz> thx. what offensive line would that be?
[15:28] <basz> https://gist.github.com/basz/618dcb3cdd22376ccfd10a4b3d29f2dc
[15:28] <Carll> basz: the last line
[15:28] <Carll> mesg n || true
[15:31] <basz> ok. problem is with a prompt I can edit that file
[15:31] <basz> without
[15:31] <basz> can not
[15:32] <Carll> basz: use the web console on the control panel?
[15:33] <Carll> basz: if that doesn't work you may have to use recovery iso
[15:33] <Carll> basz: you'd need to open a ticket as far as I'm aware to boot into it tho
[15:34] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: lsb_release -ds; apt-get update; apt-cache policy; apt-get -f install
[15:35] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: if you could put the output of these commands on a pastebin then maybe we can look more into this.
[15:35] <Carll> damn wrong channel dude.
[15:35] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | gtrmtx
[15:38] <basz> @Carll that got rid of the message (mesg: ttyname failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device). But there still is no prompt...
[15:39] <Carll> basz: restart ssh, or reboot server?
[15:39] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, pastebinit didnt seem to get everything, i made a manual paste instead http://pasteall.org/910675
[15:39] <Carll> server/workstation
[15:40] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: ok. have you verified that these third party repositories are compatible with xenial?
[15:41] <basz> yea, tried that already... lets do it again
[15:41] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, i haven't, and looking at it, im fairly certain the proxmox repository is the problem
[15:41] <gtrmtx> how do you remove one?
[15:42] <Carll> basz: is this a vps?
[15:42] <basz> yep, node 1 works! thanks Carll
[15:42] <basz> yes it is
[15:42] <basz> node-2 too...
[15:43] <Carll> basz: You're welcome, any probs shoot me a message :)
[15:43] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: there is "ppa-purge" for this, but it's not so easy to use without non launchpad hosted 3rd party repositories. so you might as well do it manually.
[15:44] <gtrmtx> just in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, or elsewhere?
[15:44] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: to do it manually, delete the respective file off /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ or comment out all lines in it
[15:45] <gtrmtx> would i do like a service apt restart after?
[15:45] <leru> pragmaticenigma: yes, it does work, but i want to use the keyboard, which i find way more convenient
[15:45] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: this won't remove the packages from there, nor the cached (ad trusted) repository gpg key. but we can get to this next.
[15:46] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: no need to restart a service. "apt-key list" shows the GPG repository signing keys APT currently trusts. if you can identify the one of the repository you just removed then you can : apt-key del <keyid>
[15:47] <gtrmtx> is deb.nodesource.com a stock repository?
[15:47] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: not native to ubuntu, no
[15:47] <tomreyn> ubuntu comes with nodejs by itself, i think
[15:48] <basz> that's weird, after a reboot I can login with a prompt for a minute or so. Then same situation... no prompt
[15:48] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: to identify the packages you need to remove or downgrade now that you removed these extra apt sources, you can use this wrapper script "foreign_packages" https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts
[15:49] <gtrmtx> apt-key del, when you say keyid do you mean uid?
[15:50] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: in a line like this:
[15:50] <tomreyn> pub   4096R/C0B21F32 2012-05-11
[15:50] <gtrmtx> ah ok
[15:50] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: ...the keyid is C0B21F32
[15:51] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: you might need to prefix this with 0x to make it work, but probably not
[15:52] <gtrmtx> ok, deleted two files from sources.list.d/ and deleted their associated keys
[15:52] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: good, keep going ;)
[15:52] <gtrmtx> downloading script now
[15:57] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, http://pasteall.org/910709
[15:57] <JediMaster> Hey all, is there a tool to migrate from a basic /etc/network/interfaces to the new /etc/netplan/*.yaml file? And yes, I've tried what the ubuntu docs say, "netplan ifupdown-migrate" isn't a valid option (at least in bionic)
[16:00] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: line 40 looks weird, copy and paste bug?
[16:00] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: things seem to be repeating there
[16:00] <tomreyn> line 56 is also weird
[16:00] <nacc> JediMaster: i'd ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:01] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: looks like you copied the output of the script, then pasted it to your shell, and then copied both into the pastebin
[16:01] <rock> hi
[16:01] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: just run it again with: ./foreign_packages 2>&1 | pastebinit
[16:03] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jypgb7MHKq/
[16:03] <algaeman> My touchpad gets identified as a standard pointer.  I can't figure out how udev assigns that.  Can someone point me in the right direction?
[16:03] <JediMaster> nacc: yeah will do, thanks
[16:03] <nacc> JediMaster: np, i can ping the right people there
[16:04] <basz> turns out I do have a prompt. It is just invisible...
[16:04] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: so those packages which are "newer than version in archive" need to be downgraded or removed (or purged), and those which are "upgradeable" should be upgraded (can be later).
[16:05] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: those are really core packages you had replaced from elsewhere, not good.
[16:07] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: be aware that downgrading is not officially supported (as is using 3rd party packages), since there is no way to ensure that configurations yuo have now will be understood be the earlier version of a package.
[16:08] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: in other words, downgrading may break functionality, it may be cleaner to purge the packages and reinstall them, then apply your custom configuration again (be sure to have a backup form the current state).
[16:13] <ghoti> Video chipset question... I'm looking at a device that claims to be "AMD HD 9000 series". But I don't see HD 9000 in the X11 versions list at https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index5h2 ...  Where should I be looking? Or what should I be asking the vendor?
[16:16] <tomreyn> ghoti: run "lspci -nn | grep VGA", this will give you a 'device id' in the form of 12ab:34cd , this is like a specific product code, one which drivers build around. if you combine a web search for it (in quotes) with "linux" or "ubuntu" you should find information on which drivers will work for it.
[16:16] <tomreyn> ghoti: this also works for other pci (lspci -nn) and usb (lsusb) devices.
[16:17] <ghoti> tomreyn: I'm not planning on _buying_ this hardware until I have some level of confidence that it'll work. :-)
[16:17] <tomreyn> ghoti: to (possibly) get a more sepfic output than just "AMD HD 9000 series", you can run: sudo update-pciis; sudo update-usbisd
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> leru, check this article out, it will show you how to assign and verify key reassignment: https://askubuntu.com/a/234681
[16:18] <tomreyn> ghoti: okay but this is actually a good way to tell whether you can safely buy it (whether it has a driver available) or not.
[16:19] <leru> pragmaticenigma: thank you
[16:19] <ghoti> tomreyn: So .. perhaps asking the vendor to run these commands and report their output would be my approach.
[16:20] <tomreyn> ghoti: oh i was thinking you had access to such a computer now. if it's a shop they might do it for you, but any larger company probably wont bother
[16:21] <ghoti> It's a California office of a Taiwanese vendor of digital signage players -- ibase-use.com.
[16:21] <ghoti> Perhaps I'll "insult" them by assuming they're telling me they've used RV250 chipsets.  :)
[16:22] <tomreyn> ghoti: do you mean ibase-usa.com ?
[16:23] <ghoti> I need more coffee. Yes, that. :-D
[16:24] <tomreyn> ghoti: do you know the product name?
[16:25] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, i purge every package from the pastebinit and reinstall them?
[16:25] <tomreyn> ghoti: if they claim linux support (have not checked) then i think you have all legitimicy to request "sudo lspci -knnv; sudo lsusb" outputs before you buy.
[16:26] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: that's not what i wrote
[16:26] <ghoti> tomreyn: SI-304 (or more precisely, SI-304-427) is claimed to use "Radeon HD9000", and the SI-606 and SI-60E-6H is claimed to use "AMD 8860".
[16:26] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, "it may be cleaner to purge the packages and reinstall them"
[16:27] <gtrmtx> or do you mean just the ones that say 'newer than version in archive'
[16:33] <tomreyn> ghoti: apparently HD 9000 was temporarily used as a marketing name for what later became the R9/R7 200 series
[16:34] <tomreyn> those are usually supported by radeon and r300 or r600 drivers, but some of them, easpecially the early ones, are not supported well, so better check.
[16:34] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: exactly, just those
[16:34] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: and only after you backed up their configurations if you still need them
[16:35] <gtrmtx> ok
[16:38] <ghoti> tomreyn: thanks for your guidance. I'll ask much better questions now. :)
[16:39] <tomreyn> ghoti: maybe also ask for a full "sudo dmidecode -u" output. and about wth "Linux Closed Source (64-bit), Linux Open Source (64-bit) " is?!
[16:49] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, this is the last one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s9Mk7M9Mwp/ but I get this: http://pasteall.org/910781
[16:52] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: tar is so fundamental a package you can't remove it with apt. i'm not even sure you can do it with dpkg. it'll be better to just downgrade it: sudo apt-get install tar
[16:53] <gtrmtx> it says its already the newest version
[16:53] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: if downgrading it doesn't actually work with this command (i'm not actually sure, it's been a while that i needed to), you will need to determin the target version and specify this-
[16:53] <tomreyn> apt-cache policy tar
[16:53] <tomreyn> then
[16:54] <tomreyn> apt-get install tar/VERSION
[16:54] <tomreyn> replace VERSION by the target version
[16:54] <tomreyn> !info tar xenial
[16:55] <tomreyn> so probably this should be: sudo apt-get install tar/1.28-2.1ubuntu0.1
[16:55] <gtrmtx> Release '1.28-2.1ubuntu0.1' for 'tar' was not found
[16:55] <tomreyn> if this also doesn't work then it's equals, not slash: sudo apt-get install tar=1.28-2.1ubuntu0.1
[16:55] <gtrmtx> ah ok
[16:56] <gtrmtx> yeah that took it
[16:56] <gtrmtx> rerunning your script now
[16:56] <gtrmtx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TqDVvTRfKV/
[16:57] <tomreyn> and "sudo apt -qq update && apt-cache policy" is now?
[16:57] <rani> hi. arch user looking to switch to ubuntu. one question: if i install bionic beaver now will i need to re-install when it is released? or would i need to change anything (repos, etc.)?
[16:57] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, it just says Pinned packages:
[16:57] <nacc> rani: no, and #ubuntu+1 for support (fyi)
[16:58] <gtrmtx> nothing else
[16:58] <gtrmtx> oh wait
[16:58] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: it should say a lot more
[16:58] <gtrmtx> yeah it does it just populates weird
[16:58] <gtrmtx> hold on
[16:58] <gtrmtx> http://pasteall.org/910789
[17:01] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: so i dont know whether the ubiquity stuff is compatible or needed, or whether or why you need the certbot ppa, but if you've checked they're good then i gues you just need to install the pending updates (an upgrade in the certbot case)
[17:02] <gtrmtx> certbot provides SSL certs for my webpage, and unifi is a wifi controller
[17:02] <gtrmtx> neither have given me any trouble
[17:03] <gtrmtx> so would it be like apt-get upgrade certbot?
[17:03] <anden> any reason why a thinkpad x230 would get stuck trying to boot lubuntu 16.04 64 bit from a live usb? i get a cursor against a black background but it does not proceed. 16.04 32 bit works perfectly on the same machine...
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> anden, Is EFI enabled?
[17:04] <anden> secure boot is disabled, if that's what you mean
[17:05] <MoziM> is there a way to rebind caps-lock to alt-ctrl?
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> anden, have you seen this? https://askubuntu.com/a/162076
[17:06] <tomreyn> gtrmtx: if you look at the certbot PPA you have, it doesn'T actually have a "certbot" package. instead, it provides python packages. https://launchpad.net/~certbot/+archive/ubuntu/certbot?field.series_filter=xenial
[17:06] <anden> i tried nomodeset and it solves the problem, but i don't understand why that is only needed on the 64 bit version?
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> anden, different set of drivers
[17:07] <gtrmtx> ah gotcha
[17:07] <anden> pragmaticenigma: alright. it's just that i just picked up this used x230 and i wanna make sure the hardware is in good condition, so i thought maybe that was a bad sign. i was also under the impression that thinkpad driver support was always excellent
[17:07] <gtrmtx> tomreyn, so then what do i need to do?
[17:10] <pragmaticenigma> anden, the driver difference is because in 32 bit, you're using drivers compiled against the 32bit kernel, and same is true for 64bit drivers. Support is generally good for all machines with traditional configurations. The most common problem I've seen is when laptops ship with two GPUs (onboard and discreet) that the handoff doesn't always go smoothly
[17:11] <akem> Many laptops have 2 GPUs nowdays.
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> akem, yes, however manufactures have proprietary drivers to facilitate the handoffs
[17:12] <anden> yeah. this one does not though, it only has one integrated into the CPU
[17:12] <anden> it should be an intel hd4000
[17:13] <anden> yup, in an i7 3520m
[17:14] <pragmaticenigma> anden, it's not uncommon for this to happen. nomodeset is a command to tell the kernel to do it's own thing but leave the graphics to X window manager
[17:15] <anden> i see
[17:15] <gtrmtx> im getting these messages a lot now: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: 1: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: /sbin/runlevel: not found
[17:22] <zano> hi guys
[17:22] <zano> i just want some help
[17:23] <zano> there is noise come out from the speakers
[17:23] <zano> i tried evey thing
[17:23] <zano> but nothing work
[17:23] <zano> alsa-info-script http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e3cde5e9b913537563cfe728595b4d85aa72f840
[17:24] <francisv> Hi.  I have a PDF with highlights on text.  I open it in Evince and looks good.  The problem is when sending to print.  The highlights become solid lines of color and no text is visible in the printout.  I tried to print the same PDF with Okular, and the highlight and text looks good, but the PDF is minimized and printed in one corner of the paper.  I have went through the settings of both programs but cannot find what is wrong with
[17:24] <francisv> either highlights in Evince, or zoom in Okular.  Anyone can help me with this? I am in Ubuntu 17.10.
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> what is the source of the PDF francisv ?
[17:26] <francisv> do you mean which program did the highlight?
[17:26] <francisv> s/did/made
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> effectively both francisv
[17:26] <francisv> One program called Papers in macOS
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, was the PDF something that you generated originally or did it come from another source
[17:30] <francisv> It came from another source, then I made highlights on it on the Papers program.
[17:31] <LevierMRQ> iTunes make me mad.  What does it have better than Rythmicbox, for exemple.  I also have questions about Google Chrome, kind of odd feeling as if it deserves nothing at all.  Are those things may be call viruses?
[17:31] <francisv> It is a scientific article
[17:32] <ZaZaQR> I'm using Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch). whats the differents between this and the last beta?
[17:32] <ZaZaQR> lastest
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, if you download the PDF directly on Ubuntu, evince has the ability to annotate (highlight). Could you try downloading the document directly, annotate in evince and see if the same problem exists?
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> ZaZaQR, all questions about 18.04 are in /join #ubuntu+1
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> !bionic
[17:33] <francisv> yes, well, I can try, but the paper has a bunch of highlights that I would not re-do
[17:34] <francisv> Do you want me to test for testing purposes?
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, that's okay... I'm trying to determine if the issue is evince or the document.
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, yes, just do a quick test... highlight something on one of the pages, and try printing just that page
[17:35] <francisv> ok, I will get the original PDF
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> LevierMRQ, Do you have a support question about Ubuntu? Please ask it, all on one line, and one topic at a time. If you'd like to have a open discussion on software, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:37] <LevierMRQ> i told, im having problems with iTunes.  Also about use Google Chrome, or not.
[17:37] <LevierMRQ> pragmaticenigma: look back a bit
[17:38] <nszceta> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lzlib
[17:38] <nszceta> zlib1g-dev is already the newest version (1:1.2.8.dfsg-2ubuntu4.1).
[17:38] <nszceta> what do
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> LevierMRQ, iTunes is not a program available or supported in Ubuntu. We cannot support google Chrome either. If you were asking a support question, it wasn't clear in your original comment.
[17:40] <anden> well, what do you know. guess my USB drive had some kind of corruption. recreating it with lubuntu 16.04.3 64bit boots just fine without nomodeset on the x230 now
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> anden, Cool! must have had a hic-up on image creation
[17:41] <anden> maybe, although i created it a while back and i think it worked before, but i'm not sure
[17:42] <LevierMRQ> iTunes offer different options in order to run with Ubuntu.  So i tried all that without success.  What is possible using iTunes, with isnt in Amarok, for example.  Can i get rid of iTunes and keep all fonctions?
[17:42] <anden> guess i'll be doing it again soon with 18.04 coming out anyway. thanks for the support!
[17:42] <LevierMRQ> Sorry, english isnt my first language
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> anden, depending on when the USB was created, it's possible that the memory chips lost charge over time, or a very small static shock currupted the drive without breaking it
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> LevierMRQ, Again, We don't support iTunes. It's not offered in the Ubuntu software repositories, and therefore not supported.
[17:45] <pragmaticenigma> LevierMRQ, The same is true for Google Chrome. Both software applications are supplied and supported by other companies. We can only support applications that are installed through the Official Ubuntu channels. Which are managed by the Ubuntu Developers
[17:45] <funky> plus it's an invasive piece of work
[17:45] <funky> just my opinion  :0)
[17:45] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: I downloaded the PDF, tried to highlighted it with evince, but it highlights text from about 4 rows below my cursor.  I sent the PDF to print, but no highlights are on the paper.
[17:45] <LevierMRQ> pragmaticenigma: iTunes isnt open.  I would prefer dont use.  So my question was about what may be missing.
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> LevierMRQ, what language is native to you? There are support rooms available other than English
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, is the PDF available for general download? could you provide a link?
[17:47] <LevierMRQ> Must be my bad english.  I totaly understand that.  My questions were about how to use Ubuntu with the less proprietary (not open) possible.
[17:48] <LevierMRQ> Im french but this channel was very quiet before.  This is looking better now.  Thank you for informations you provided to me.  Maybe see later.
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> LevierMRQ, Okay, that makes better sense.  If you are looking for a music player, Rhythmbox is the default application installed with Ubuntu. For web browsing Firefox is installed by default. If you like the look and feel of Google Chrome, you can install chromium which is the free and opensource version of Chrome
[17:50] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: I cannot find an open URL.  If you are in a network of a university, you might be able to download it.
[17:53] <iamam> I am trying to find a solution to the lazy startup. Often my laptop would run out of battery and ubuntu slips into the sleep state. When I try to resume, the startup is extremely slow. I thought it might be because of Chrome but it hacks hell a lot of memory. But I have been using firefox for quite a while but the problem persists. ( And I blame the browsers because they are the most memory intensive processes running )
[17:53] <iamam> *I thought it might be because of Chrome because it hacks hell a lot of memory
[17:59] <tomreyn> iamam: so this only happens on resume, not on normal (cold) boots?
[18:00] <iamam> Yeah, this happens only on resume
[18:00] <tomreyn> iamam: how much memory doe sthis system have if you don't mind asking?
[18:00] <iamam> 8G
[18:00] <tomreyn> iamam: and you suspend to disk, or ram?
[18:00] <iamam> I don't know what that means
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, is it possible to print it from the Mac that did the annotation? It appears to me that the PDF is not following standards (possibly a week anti-copy feature or anti-print feature)
[18:01] <iamam> I have a swap partition so, it should be suspend to disk, I guess.
[18:01] <iamam> Because that is what the swap partition is for, I assume
[18:01] <tomreyn> iamam: "hibernation" is suspend to disk, yes
[18:01] <horani> suspend is usually to ram, hibernate to disk
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, or even take it to a windows machine and see if Adode Acrobat can process and print it proper?
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, another option (though not ideal) you can install adobe acrobat reader in linux, we aren't able to support it, but it might be able to get past whatever non-standard publication process that was used on that PDF
[18:02] <tomreyn> iamam: so maybe it just feels slow since it's restoring the ram state form disk?
[18:03] <tomreyn> iamam: what kind of disk do you have there?
[18:03] <iamam> tomreyn: Hybrid ( 500G SATA + 8GB SSD)
[18:05] <tomreyn> iamam: i suggest you do a full reboot and login, then suspend, wait shortly, and resume, then run: sudo apt update; sudo apt install pastebinit; dmesg -T | pastebinit
[18:05] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: I thought there was no Adobe acrobat reader in Linux
[18:05] <tomreyn> iamam: finally, post the url retruned by the last command here.
[18:05] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: I am trying to configure the printer in a Mac computer I have at hand
[18:05] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: I will let you know when I print that PDF
[18:06] <tomreyn> iamam: i have to leave for a while, so please repeat your question and provide the output when you return.
[18:06] <ghoti> tomreyn: regarding the AMD GPU question earlier, I also found this: https://www.amd.com/en/products/embedded-r-series-2nd-gen-apu
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, https://askubuntu.com/questions/89127/how-do-i-install-adobe-acrobat-reader-deb-package-downloaded-from-adobe-website/89188#89188
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, disregard taht link
[18:06] <francisv> ok
[18:07] <iamam> tomreyn: I will ping you when I do it.
[18:07] <iamam> tomreyn: In a minute or so.
[18:08] <nlsthzn> Is tray icons for dropbox still working in Ubuntu 18.04? Will it be possible to extend functionality using top icons extension?
[18:08] <nlsthzn> *system tray
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, you can manually install adobe acrobat direct from Adobe... I'm not sure how well it works, it did for me a few years ago. ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> in that folder you will find a .deb file... that will install it for you
[18:11] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: ok, I will try! thank you!
[18:12] <francisv> but generally speaking, which software do you prefer, evince or the one from adobe?
[18:12] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: well, that version is from 2013
[18:13] <francisv> 5 years ago
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> Yeah, Adobe stopped distribution for linux around that time. I wouldn't use it for everyday
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, the PDF specification hasn't changed significantly in the last 10 years.
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[18:17] <bobo_> after resizing my hdd when I bought my laptop I cannot access Bios or Boot order. (Lenovo z580 came with win8) I'm running ubuntu 16.04 live usb ... is there other way how to access Bios?
[18:17] <ikonia> press enter when you boot
[18:17] <ikonia> that is the nomal key
[18:17] <ikonia> read the lenovo manual
[18:18] <bobo_> laptop got NOVO bootom which will gives u 4 options: bios, boot, recovery, normal
[18:18] <ikonia> bobo_: talk to lenovo
[18:18] <ikonia> this isn't an ubuntu issue
[18:18] <bobo_> but does not let me go through any windows ... with live usb just let me boot straight to ubuntu ... no option dvd, network etc. ...
[18:19] <ikonia> this isn't an ubuntu issue
[18:19] <bobo_> but is there any way in ubuntu? I run ubuntu live even b4 i couldnt ...
[18:20] <ikonia> it's hardware - not software
[18:20] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:20] <bobo_> somehow get into reflashing bios in ubuntu?
[18:21] <ikonia> nop
[18:21] <ikonia> nope
[18:21] <ikonia> and you have no idea that there is a reason to reflash the bios
[18:21] <ikonia> so again - talk to lenovo
[18:21] <bobo_> lenovo support is useless
[18:21] <ikonia> no it's not
[18:21] <bobo_> :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[18:21] <ikonia> I don't know what :)))))))))) means,
[18:22] <bobo_> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[18:22] <bobo_> is USELESS
[18:22] <ghoti> I think it's a smile with a very long beard.
[18:22] <ikonia> please stop being silly
[18:22] <bobo_> they got no solution for that over few years ...
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> bobo_, There is nothing that Ubuntu can do for your BIOS or Boot issue. You've encountered an issue with the hardware that we cannot and will not support. You're options are to contact Lenovo support or find a Lenovo user's support group
[18:22] <bobo_> they just replace mb
[18:22] <ikonia> bobo_: maybe that's what's needed
[18:22] <ikonia> either way - this is not a topic for this channel
[18:23] <ghoti> bobo_: if that solves your problem, then that's probably the best solution. You buy vendor-supported things for the vendor support, after all.
[18:23] <bobo_> I thought would be some other way. ... thnx anyway
[18:26] <bobo_> can you let me with other problem maybe ... i try to create another persistent USB with ubuntu but there is error msg: alloc magic is broken at ... ...
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> bobo_, how big us hte USB drive?
[18:27] <bobo_> I try to reinstall it few times but same result. I had just live version b4 on that USB but since I tried create persistence it does not work
[18:27] <bobo_> 8GB
[18:27] <bobo_> I used mkusb
[18:28] <troupus> Hi, I wonder if someone can help me with an issue I have with bluetooth speakers on ubuntu 17.10. The sound work well for non bluetooth speackers but I have tried different bluetooth speakers and I have the same issue with all of them. They pair fine and I can select them as the audio output in the sound settings but I got no sound at all.
[18:29] <slidinghorn> bobo_ what flavor of *buntu?
[18:30] <bobo_> 16.04
[18:30] <jaydemir> hello folks
[18:30] <slidinghorn> bobo_ that's the version....Server? Desktop? if so, which DE?
[18:30] <jaydemir> I have a tablet with an atom chip that runs windows 10 like a dream. Unfortunately its a bad dream because I want linux on it. However, I've tried popOS and the keyboard wont respond. Anyone got any suggestions?
[18:31] <bobo_> desktop
[18:31] <troupus> I believe is ubuntu gnome because it has the gnome desktop. And it's the desktop version.
[18:31] <bobo_> it worked as live usb and is working on this usb in persistent mode
[18:31] <jaydemir> any better ubuntu based distros for touch devices?
[18:32] <slidinghorn> !touch | jaydemir
[18:32] <troupus> I am running it on my laptop
[18:32] <leftyfb> jaydemir: popOS isn't supported here
[18:32] <bobo_> ubuntu-16.04.4-desktop-amd64
[18:32] <jaydemir> isnt ubuntu touch just for ARM chips?
[18:32] <jaydemir> an atom is an x86 chip that supports a full OS
[18:32] <slidinghorn> bobo_ you're still not answering my question.
[18:33] <bobo_> slidinghorn, I don't know what u mean
[18:33] <slidinghorn> bobo_ which desktop are you running on this?
[18:34] <tomreyn> ghoti: so these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_accelerated_processing_unit_microprocessors#%22Bald_Eagle%22_(2014)
[18:34] <bobo_> laptop lenovo z580
[18:34]  * slidinghorn facepalms
[18:35] <ikonia> bobo_: he means which linux desktop software is running
[18:35] <bobo_> ikonia, linux desktop sw?
[18:36] <ghoti> tomreyn: that would seem to be it, yes. The model numbers at wikipedia match the ones on the amd.com page I posted.
[18:36] <bobo_> sorry I don't get this ...
[18:36] <iamam> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/36sGp7K5Jq/
[18:37] <ikonia> bobo_: if you don't even know what desktop software you're running you won't be able to debug a persistant usb problem, sorry
[18:37] <slidinghorn> bobo_ regardless, if you're running the default Ubuntu (with Gnome, KDE, or XFCE) an 8GB disk probably isn't going to cut it.  Ubuntu recommends 25GB for a full desktop installation
[18:37] <R13ose> TJ-: hi
[18:38] <ikonia> slidinghorn: where is that receommendation ?
[18:38] <ikonia> slidinghorn: he's also doing a persistant install, not a standard install
[18:39] <slidinghorn> ikonia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements is where I'm getting that
[18:39] <bobo_> so u mean that persistent have to run on 25+GB ... because b4 it run just live from usb
[18:39] <ash_worksi> what do you `man` to get the explaination of command syntax when you `man` it?
[18:39] <ash_worksi> I think `man man` but I don't see the explanation
[18:39] <ash_worksi> thought*
[18:40] <ikonia> slidinghorn: that's an insane recommendation
[18:41] <ghoti> tomreyn: I'm still waiting for a response from the vendor (don't know what to expect there); if this is it, I see literature saying that AMD is "targetting high-end embedded Linux" with this line, but I don't how to find proof in the form of moden numbers listed in xorg/xf86 documentation.
[18:41] <slidinghorn> ikonia I was just going from what Ubuntu's resources say. If they're wrong/inaccurate, then I don't know what to say
[18:41] <ghoti> I feel like I just don't know where to find the right docs. :/
[18:42] <ikonia> slidinghorn: sorry, I wasn't saying your suggestion was wrong, just that that is recommended
[18:42] <tomreyn> ghoti: with oem hardware there sometimes just are no public docs
[18:43] <tomreyn> iamam: this one? https://www3.lenovo.com/in/en/laptops/lenovo/lenovo-u-series/Lenovo-U41-70/p/88LG80U0512
[18:43] <iamam> tomreyn: yep
[18:45] <ghoti> tomreyn: sure, but if iBase has put put a chip on their board, they should know which chip they've used! :)  And of course, this is just one of two directions. With some luck they'll send me the output of lspci et al, and I'll get a better idea from that.
[18:46] <Guest71> Guys better to install now 17.10 or beta 18.04 and upgrade later?
[18:46] <ikonia> just wait
[18:46] <Guest71> ikonia: I need to install today smth on new drive
[18:46] <Guest94153> Hi!
[18:47] <tomreyn> ghoti: right, good luck :)
[18:47] <Guest94153> My mate just gave me this USB and while attempting to format it (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/usb-flash-drive-prompts-with-write-protected/2012d40c-7d90-4967-b2c2-2d67c08561e2) I'm getting "The disk is write protected" no matter what I do (there is no "Security" setting in "Properties").
[18:47] <Guest94153> So I attempted to follow https://askubuntu.com/a/571340 on a different Linux PC. While bringing it back, formatting kind of worked until 99% when it "failed". All the files that were originally on the USB are still there.
[18:47] <Guest94153> Is this a lost case? Should I buy my friend a new USB?
[18:47] <jaydemir> you might want to change that automated ubuntu touch message its an invite only room
[18:47] <ikonia> Guest71: you can upgrade from 17.10 later then
[18:48] <Guest71> ikonia: smoothly?:)
[18:48] <ikonia> yes
[18:48] <Guest71> great
[18:48] <jaydemir> Guest94153: you can try gparted in linux and change the partition table to GPT
[18:48] <jaydemir> or GUID
[18:48] <jaydemir> forget what its called
[18:50] <leftyfb> Guest94153: you need to unmount the usb drive before formatting it
[18:50] <Guest71> ikonia: thx and bye!
[18:51] <tomreyn> iamam: there's a newer bios available here https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/tw/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/U-SERIES/U41-70/80JV/downloads/DS102775
[18:51] <ghoti> tomreyn: are you at all interested in hearing results on this? happy to share back once I get something concrete, if you want.
[18:51] <tomreyn> iamam: your current one is BIOS BDCN31WW 04/29/2015
[18:52] <tomreyn> ghoti: not personally, no. but you could of course post them online so someone else interested in the topic could find them
[18:52] <ghoti> gotcha, thanks again for your help. :)
[18:52] <tomreyn> welcome
[18:55] <tomreyn> iamam: your current bios has some acpi issues. see lines 520 and following of your dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/36sGp7K5Jq/
[18:55] <ash_worksi> what do you `man` to get the explaination of command syntax when you `man` said command?
[18:56] <R13ose> TJ-: any updates on the bug?
[18:57] <tomreyn> iamam: also line 812 + following
[19:00] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: what command are you trying to get with syntax on?
 iamam: there's a newer bios available here https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/tw/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/U-SERIES/U41-70/80JV/downloads/DS102775
 iamam: your current one (BDCN31WW 04/29/2015) has some acpi issues. see lines 520 and following + lines 812 and following of your dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/36sGp7K5Jq/
[19:01] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: I was trying to show someone the similiarities between postgresql command documentation vs linux command documentation
[19:01] <tomreyn> iamam_: also this spill of "ideapad_laptop: Unknown event: 1" towards the end looks bad, but it can be a result of these.
[19:01] <bobo_> ikonia, slidinghorn  I think is basic ubuntu ... desktop 1.6 GB version ... don't see any flavor ... https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu?_ga=2.266832391.84046257.1523040957-1963110908.1522692700#1
[19:02] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: it's not a specific command, it's just the text that says square-brackets are optional arguments, etc
[19:02] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: thanks btw :)
[19:02] <ikonia> bobo_: there is no such thing as basic ubuntu
[19:03] <ikonia> bobo_: what version of ubuntu is it ?
[19:03] <bobo_> ubuntu 16.04
[19:03] <ikonia> bobo_: ok, so it's most likley the unity desktop
[19:04] <bobo_> how can i identify it?
[19:04] <tomreyn> iamam_: it's also entirely possible that your sophos AV is getting in the way.
[19:05] <ikonia> bobo_: I think it's safe to assume it's unity
[19:05] <slidinghorn> ikonia I'm noticing that a lot of the wiki is outdated...just looked up an entry on creating a persistent USB (to show bobo_ ) and it still mentions Feisty & Gutsy
[19:05] <ikonia> slidinghorn: poor maintenance
[19:05] <nacc> slidinghorn: well, it is a wiki ...
[19:06] <nacc> slidinghorn: feel free to edit :)
[19:07] <ash_worksi> bobo_: `echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP`
[19:07] <slidinghorn> It's a topic I know next to nothing about, otherwise I would :/
[19:07] <bobo_> ash_worksi,  unity ...
[19:09] <ash_worksi> bobo_: I didn't really read too far back, I just thought you wanted to know your desktop env
[19:10] <rock> hi
[19:11] <bobo_> so problem exactly is that b4 i install this ubuntu on 8GB usb as live and it worked fine. after I install same on other 32GB usb in persistent mode what I'm on now but I want to have 1 usb as backup if something will go wrong so at least to access my dead laptop. is only way how can I run OS on it at the moment
[19:12] <bobo_> so I installed in persistent mode on same 8GB but after start i got error:disk `hd0,4 not found
[19:12] <bobo_> alloc magic is broken at 0xc5bb33e0:c59c8280
[19:12] <bobo_> i try to reinstall usb but same result ...
[19:14] <iamam_> tomreyn: I have enabled legacy BIOS. Does enabling UEFI solve the old BIOS problem ?
[19:16] <rock> how can install one windows program on ubuntu
[19:16] <iamam_> rock: Wine.
[19:17] <rock> thanks!
[19:17] <slidinghorn> nacc interestingly enough, that page is listed as immutable.  :/
[19:18] <nacc> slidinghorn: possibly becuase you're not logged in?
[19:18] <slidinghorn> I am
[19:18] <nacc> slidinghorn: not sure then
[19:18] <ash_worksi> rock: note that there is a lot wine doesn't support
[19:18] <nacc> maybe you don't have permissions?
[19:19] <slidinghorn> I haven't used my UbuntuOne account in forever, so it's possible
[19:22] <bobo_> now when I connect USB: Error mounting /dev/sdb1 at /media/ubuntu/FC4E-39F0:Command-line `mount-t"vfat"-o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=999,gid=999,shortname=mixed,utf8=1,showexec,flush" "/dev/sdb1""/media/ubuntu/FC4E-39F0"exited with non-zero exit status 32:mount:/dev/sdb1:can't read superblock
[19:28] <IntelCore> The browser that comes with ubuntu - as an application, it Now freezes and locks up my laptop... has been doing it for several months when I try to use it.
[19:29] <leftyfb> IntelCore: what version of ubuntu?
[19:29] <IntelCore> 16.04lts -116 generic
[19:29] <leftyfb> IntelCore: the browser that comes with ubuntu is Firefox. What version of firefox are you running?
[19:29] <IntelCore> nooo
[19:30] <IntelCore> Applications > Internet > Browser, is not FF
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, there is a secondary browser that gets installed as wel
[19:31] <IntelCore> it is gnome?
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> IntelCore, I have never gotten that browser app to work. Use Firefox, Chromium, or some other mainstream browser
[19:31] <leftyfb> lol
[19:31] <IntelCore> yes, well.. I do. However...
[19:31] <crimson_king> that was supposed to be the Unity 8 browser, right?
[19:32] <leftyfb> I just opened that thing and it froze my laptop
[19:32] <IntelCore> yes 8
[19:32] <leftyfb> IntelCore: why do you use that over Firefox or Chrome or anything else?
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> It freezes every machine I've ever attempted to use it
[19:32]  * pragmaticenigma would like to know how they got it working
[19:33] <IntelCore> leftyfb - well, I do not use it , over others. I thought I would try to use it, and see what it was.
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> IntelCore, broken... that what it is
[19:33] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1577168
[19:33] <leftyfb> don't use it
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> It's annoying as all get out, since you can't uninstall it either. I believe when 18.04 is released, it's not included as it's for Unity, not Gnome
[19:34] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: sudo apt remove webbrowser-app
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, it trys to take a whole bunch of other things with it
[19:34] <leftyfb> nope
[19:34] <jaydemir> so I downloaded what seems to be a distro but instead of an iso I got a targz which a bunch of files. I copied to a flash drive and doesnt boot
[19:34] <jaydemir> how can I roll them into an iso?
[19:35] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: libunity-webapps0 unity-webapps-common unity-webapps-service webapp-container webbrowser-app
[19:35] <leftyfb> jaydemir: that's not supported here
[19:35] <IntelCore> Can I replace the link.. so this 'browser' will just load Fox?
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2xf9jkNvMh/
[19:36] <leftyfb> IntelCore: why not remove it or just not click it?
[19:36] <IntelCore> correct, remove.
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, I use unity-tweak-tool
[19:36] <leftyfb> IntelCore: sudo apt remove webbrowser-app
[19:36] <IntelCore> < has been, just not click on it
[19:36] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: so then reinstall it
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, it brings back webbrowser-app
[19:37] <leftyfb> then you don't need that sort of negativity in your life :)
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> i just added a .desktop to my user's application menu to hide it
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> negativity gone
[19:38] <ioria> IntelCore, system settings -> details -> default applications -> Web
[19:38] <IntelCore> libunity-webapps0 unity-tweak-tool unity-webapps-common
[19:38] <IntelCore>   unity-webapps-service webapp-container webbrowser-app
[19:39] <IntelCore> ahhh but I did not wanna remove Tweak
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> IntelCore, follow these instructions https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5GpQNyJRVv/
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> when you complete... log out and back in and the entry will be gone
[19:44] <IntelCore> removed. then apt-get install unity-tweak*  and adding xul-ext-unity | unity-chromium-extension
[19:44] <IntelCore>   qml-module-ubuntu-onlineaccounts-client
[19:44] <IntelCore> will see what it does...
[19:45] <IntelCore> thanks
[19:52] <CAP7275> uit
[19:53] <xr15t05> hello
[19:59] <tkup> Hi I installed perccli on my ubuntu 16.04 server and inserted an SSD drive. I'm able to see the SSD in /c0/e32/s3. How do I make this drive visible as a device /dev/sdb for example?
[20:00] <leftyfb> tkup: you need to contact Dell
[20:08] <Troublemaker97> hi..
[20:09] <m47h4r> hello everyone, is it possible to get a rough estimate of when some specific package is going to be updated?
[20:09] <Troublemaker97> y
[20:09] <Troublemaker97> hi
[20:11] <m47h4r> the application itself is released but the update isn't available in the ubuntu repos. how long it takes usually?
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> m47h4r, It depends on the package and who is the development team, and who on the Ubuntu team is in charge of pulling upstream udpates
[20:12] <brainwash> could be possible with a crystal ball
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> m47h4r, also depends on what the update is. If it is a feature update, then it's likely to get released with a Ubuntu release (ie 17.10 => 18.04)
[20:12] <m47h4r> pragmaticenigma: oh so i must contact (in my case lyx) developers or package maintainers?
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> m47h4r, with the release of 18.04 so close (a few weeks away) it would be best to wait and see what gets released
[20:14] <m47h4r> oh! that would be really long time :( i can always compile from source, right?
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> m47h4r, you can... what is in the newest release that you are seeking?
[20:15] <Guest15> ikonia: You advise me to install 17.10 and later make upgrade to 18.04 an hour ago. Please tell me if I can configure grub bootloader to select OS, cause one of them is on second drive and thats the problem I guess
[20:16] <m47h4r> it is lyx 2.3, i must export a document that is written with 2.3 but i have 2.2.3 which it does not convert it. i guess that is a backward compatibility issue
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> m47h4r, 2.3 was just released, how is it you have a requestor already mandating the latest version?
[20:18] <m47h4r> i had an arch linux installation to be learning more about linux (that was what i thought) and i was dumb enough to remove the whole distro without considering these issues
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> m47h4r, it appears that 18.04 Ubuntu will not have 2.3... looking at the software dev's site, they don't recommend including 2.3 series just yet
[20:20] <brainwash> you can get it from this ppa https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/ubuntu/release
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> m47h4r, your best option appears to be to try and compile it yourself. Or you could try installing Arch into a VM and export from there
[20:20] <m47h4r> pragmaticenigma: oh my god but i can't proceed with installing arch again, im supposed to be exporting the file for a day after tomorrow :O i think i am somehow doomed
[20:21] <lapaga> I am going to be reinstalling Ubuntu ... I want to shrink / and /home and give it to windows...is it safe to do with gparted? I don’t care about Data on Ubuntu
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> brainwash, We don't support 3rd part PPAs... please do not recommend them
[20:21] <brainwash> we don't have to support them
[20:21] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: there's nothing wrong with recommending PPA's
[20:21] <m47h4r> brainwash: oh! that is developement version?
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> brainwash, we don't, but it's harder when they come back and say it broke their system
[20:21] <brainwash> m47h4r: looks like the stable release
[20:22] <brainwash> pragmaticenigma: so, how is recommending to compile it from source any different?
[20:22] <brainwash> you shouldn't do that either then
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> brainwash, Some PPAs include libraries that conflict with the standard set of libs from the Ubuntu repo... Which leads to system crashes
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> brainwash, compiling you can often use the existing libs already in system without issue
[20:25] <leftyfb> I am of the opinion that a PPA should be suggested over compiling from source any day
[20:25] <leftyfb> removing a PPA and it's packages is pretty simple and clean
[20:25] <leftyfb> unlike compiling/installing from source
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> This has moved to an offtopic matter
[20:26] <brainwash> in this case the ppa does not seem to offer any other libs
[20:28] <iamam_> lapaga: The only thing that I have heard of going wrong is sometimes messing up the grub. Although, it is known to be fixed easily with a live bootable. I hope you have that.
[20:32] <ejr> i am trying to deactivate my laptop screen in the tty (no gui installed) so that only my external display is active. vbetool and xset dpms always give me "Can't read display" errors. is there any way to deactivate the primary screen via tty?
[20:32] <m47h4r> well besides this interesting discussion, trusting the ppa saved me from a disaster. thank you guys very much
[20:34] <lapaga> iamam_: yes i do...and I am guessing update-grub will take care of that
[20:34] <iamam_> lapaga: Then, you should be good to go.
[20:34] <brainwash> ejr: what error does vbetool give you? and what is the exact command you use?
[20:35] <ejr> brainwash: sudo vbetool dpms off -> "Real mode call failed"
[20:42] <brainwash> ejr: mmh. couldn't find any useful info about this
[20:42] <brainwash> ejr: xset requires a running xorg session
[20:44] <ejr> brainwash: i know, but I don't have X installed
[20:44] <brainwash> right
[20:45] <brainwash> maybe someone in ##linux knows
[20:45] <ejr> thx
[20:49] <IntelCore> nada. no diff
[20:49] <IntelCore> that a bad hang to have
[20:51] <leftyfb> IntelCore: don't click on it anymore or remove it like I told you earlier
[20:54] <IntelCore> yesh.  Is it fixed in 18.04?
[20:54] <ikonia> is what fixed ?
[20:55] <sonowwhat> I updated to nvidia 384 and now on boot, the screen just flickers
[20:55] <IntelCore> Ikonia - the unity bug, web browser
[20:55] <ikonia> what unity bug
[20:55] <ikonia> and a minute ago you said it was gnome - not unity
[20:55] <IntelCore> the web browser may freeze your pc
[20:55] <ikonia> show me the bug
[20:55] <ikonia> show me the bug reference for it
[20:55] <sonowwhat> I'm using ubuntu 17.10 gnome - not here.... i have an older 17.04 in order to log on here
[20:56] <IntelCore> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 119-Generic, I got gnome desktop. Unity Tweak tool, ok so I go to applications, and Internet, and Browser.. pops open, then nothing works.
[20:57] <sonowwhat> I also had a msg:  could not resolve 'us.archive'ubuntu.com' - why am I getting that message?
[20:57] <izznogooood> Is there a way to make the window control bar smaller on the defualt gnome-theme ?
[20:57] <ikonia> why are you using unity-tweak tool with gnome desktop
[20:57] <sonowwhat> failed to fetch....etc.
[20:57] <ikonia> IntelCore: what browser are you using
[20:57] <sonowwhat> nvidia never works with ubuntu
[20:57] <ikonia> you're not making sense you said it was gnome, then unity, now it's gnome again but with unity tweaktool
[20:57] <IntelCore> Ikonia Fox
[20:57] <ikonia> sonowwhat: works fine for me
[20:57] <ikonia> as there is no such thing as fox
[20:57] <sonowwhat> always get some sort of problem....driver issue?
[20:57] <ikonia> IntelCore: you're using firefox ?
[20:58] <IntelCore> correct
[20:58] <ikonia> IntelCore: I get the impression you are trying to waste time
[20:58] <ikonia> IntelCore> nooo
[20:58] <ikonia> 19:30 < IntelCore> Applications > Internet > Browser, is not FF
[20:58] <IntelCore> the browser that is the web browser is built-in to ubuntu gnome
[20:58] <ikonia> you said it wasn't firefox a few minutes ago
[20:58] <ikonia> you've swapped from unity, to gnome, to gnome with unity
[20:58] <akik> izznogood waited the whole of 0 minutes
[20:58] <ikonia> you've swapped from not firefox, to firefox
[20:58] <ikonia> I ge the impression you're messing around
[20:58] <IntelCore> Gnome flavored ubuntu
[20:59] <ikonia> why do you have unity tweak tool installed on gnoem
[20:59] <ikonia> gnome
[20:59] <IntelCore> came with unity
[20:59] <ikonia> then it's not gnome is it
[20:59] <ikonia> it's unity
[20:59] <leftyfb> it doesn't come with Unity
[20:59] <IntelCore> But gnome is on it, and compiz 2.
[20:59] <IntelCore> I gtg, l8tr
[20:59] <ikonia> IntelCore: either you really don't understand what you're saying, or you're messing around
[21:00] <ikonia> either way stop
[21:20] <_UsUrPeR_> okay
[21:21] <_UsUrPeR_> so the reboot worked
[21:26] <jfcaron> Does anyone know a lightweight (in terms of installation size) Ubuntu-compatible distribution?
[21:26] <nacc> jfcaron: ubuntu minimal?
[21:27] <slidinghorn> ^^
[21:27] <nacc> jfcaron: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-18-04-minimal-install-option
[21:28] <jfcaron> I still want a GUI program to run, but I don't need a full set of apps.  This is for a distributable VM.
[21:28] <nacc> jfcaron: right, read that post :)
[21:28] <jfcaron> ty
[21:28] <nacc> jfcaron: the mini ISO is different and would be a fully minimized system
[21:28] <nacc> jfcaron: admittedly, this only saves ~500M
[21:28] <Bashing-om> jfcaron: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ .
[21:29] <jfcaron> Ah yes I thought you were talking about the Minimum ISO.
[21:29] <nacc> jfcaron: right, this is a new feature in 18.04
[21:29] <jfcaron> I was hoping for an LTS release, but this is probably OK.
[21:30] <jfcaron> The pain of building up from the Minimum ISO is probably not worth it. =p
[21:31] <TJ-> jfcaron: Xubuntu, Lubuntu ?
[21:31] <nacc> jfcaron: 18.04 is an lts
[21:32] <TBotNik> All: Need help with issuing a linux cmd from PHP!  Did what the manual said, but not running the cmd!  Write up at:  https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5840172#post5840172
[21:32] <nacc> TBotNik: this is not a PHP help channel...
[21:33] <jfcaron> nacc: Ah indeed.  The app for which I want this VM only currently has binaries for 14, 16, and 17.
[21:33] <undeclared> Does 18.04 fix that issue with it going to screensaver and you have to manually unlock?
[21:33] <undeclared> (in a terminal etc)
[21:33] <jfcaron> TJ-: From what I understand, Xubuntu and Lubuntu are more lightweight in RAM and processor usage, but still have a large install size ~10GB.
[21:33] <TJ-> jfcaron: 10GB?!?!!? where do you get that idea!?
[21:35] <TJ-> jfcaron: On a Xubuntu install next to me with several extras it takes 3.7G and I could halve that if I used --no-install-recommends
[21:35] <jfcaron> Lubuntu does not list a hard drive space requirement on their requirements page.
[21:35] <Bashing-om> jfcaron: xubuntu core install : http://termbin.com/2xn7 . Small as you want to make it .
[21:37] <jfcaron> I'm trying the Minimal Install ISO and seeing if I can get this program to install & run.
[21:38] <jfcaron> Ubuntu 18 "minimal" mode is the next option.
[21:43] <ikonia> minimal is a bad idea
[21:43] <ikonia> unless you strongly understand how things are put together
[21:44] <ikonia> every distros's standard install is just a few gig, if you don't have a system that has a hard disk with a few gig as standard spare, you'll struggle any many other ways, it's an acceptable requirement on any modern machine
[21:44] <TJ-> It's for a VM
[21:45] <ikonia> not sure how that would differ the requirement
[21:45] <ikonia> virtal disk is just disk off the physical disk
[21:45] <nacc> ikonia: there is a 'new' minimal
[21:45] <nacc> ikonia: unrelated to minimal ISO
[21:46] <ikonia> that's just the install option though isn't it
[21:46] <nacc> jfcaron: and just to be clear, '18.04' not '18'
[21:46] <nacc> ikonia: yes, that's true
[21:46] <ikonia> (as in an install time options)
[21:47] <Sven_vB> I wonder how I manage to bloat up my Ubuntu so big then. it usually uses about 13 GB and that's without /usr/src/linux-headers-*
[21:47] <nacc> Sven_vB: easy enough to check with du
[21:47] <Sven_vB> also w/o logs and homes
[21:47] <nacc> Sven_vB: (with appropriate options, not just `du` )
[21:48] <Sven_vB> nacc, yeah, I even have a tool that renders nice graphics from it
[21:48] <nacc> Sven_vB: :)
[21:48] <akem> Sven_vB, which one?
[21:49] <Sven_vB> akem, du-diver. I don't think I've published it yet.
[21:49] <Sven_vB> and the scanner tool that goes with it isn't prepared to scan as root yet, so in my attempt just now it had to skip lots of dirs
[21:50] <Sven_vB> re-discovered the --sudo flag. nice.
[21:50] <corrado> Hallo allerseits !!!
[21:51] <Sven_vB> corrado, Hallo. der Kanal hier ist auf englisch. für deutsch versuch #ubuntu-de.
[21:51] <corrado> Danke
[21:53] <pete__> can anyone help?
[21:53] <nacc> !ask | pete__
[21:53] <pete__> after installing nvidia 384, I cannot boot normally
[21:53] <Sven_vB> ic, 4.1 GB are apt cache
[21:54] <pete__> screen flickers and I get a message:  Failed to start NVIDIA Persistence Daemon
[21:54] <nacc> Sven_vB: that'd do it :)
[21:54] <pete__> and when I enter recovery mode, I was not able to remove
[21:54] <Sven_vB> nacc, right, w/o that it would fit below 10 GB
[21:54] <pete__> also, I am using 17.10 and kernel 4.13, I think.... is the latest installed
[21:55] <pete__> the only gui i I can boot into is an old version of 17.04 I have on another parition
[21:55] <Sven_vB> wow, hadn't imagined that the opera browser takes up almost 180 MB
[21:55] <pete__> does this problem sound familiar to anyone?   can anyone tell what's going on?
[21:56] <Sven_vB> how do they even do that
[21:56] <pete__> it's an nvidia driver problem, right?
[21:56] <Sven_vB> pete__, yeah sounds like you should try another nvidia driver
[21:57] <Sven_vB> also search the web for your graphics card name/version + ubuntu whether there are hints
[21:58] <Sven_vB> lspci can tell you what card Ubuntu thinks you have
[21:59] <pete__> Sven_vB: I just want to know how to regress it to the previous driver
[21:59] <pete__> which is 375, I believe
[22:00] <pete__> the card is a gtx 750
[22:00] <pete__> I didn't think there would be a problem upgrading the driver to 384
[22:01] <bobo_> can anybody help me plz? I boot ubuntu 16.04 persistent but now is open with 2 icons on desktop with no taskbar. how can i run browser from terminal? or taskbar?
[22:01] <pete__> because the latest looks like it is 387 or 390
[22:01] <leftyfb> pete__: how did you install nvidia 384?
[22:01] <Sven_vB> first you'd need to obtain a text mode shell, probably. installing SSH before graphics drivers often is a good idea.
[22:01] <pete__> ubuntu notifications !
[22:01] <pete__> I can only use a shell
[22:01] <pete__> I can only boot up in recovery mode
[22:01] <Sven_vB> bobo_, which browser? firefox?
[22:02] <pete__> therefore, a root shell
[22:02] <leftyfb> pete__: sudo apt-get remove  nvidia-384 && sudo apt-get install nvidia-375
[22:02] <bobo_> yes, firefox
[22:02] <pete__> I am using 17.04 so that I can use the irc program
[22:02] <pete__> my usual OS is 17.10 (other partition)
[22:02] <Sven_vB> bobo_, try the "firefox" command
[22:02] <bobo_> i did, nothing
[22:02] <pete__> I tried sudo apt-get remove nvidia-384
[22:03] <Sven_vB> bobo_, then try it in a terminal so you can see potential error messages. also try to check the screen settings, Ubuntu might try to display stuff on a secreen that's not connected.
[22:04] <bobo_> i can run only 1 terminal
[22:04] <pete__> it failed
[22:04] <leftyfb> pete__: error message? (pastebin)
[22:04] <bobo_> how can i find out what is happening?
[22:04] <Sven_vB> bobo_, then install "sakura" (another terminal) and launch it with "sakura &" (the & frees up your 1st terminal)
[22:05] <Sven_vB> bobo_, try taking a screenshot, maybe it reveals the virtual screen is bigger than your real one
[22:05] <Bashing-om> pete__: nvidia recommends the 390 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/132530/en-us . what shows ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' ?
[22:05] <ikonia> bobo_: may I just suggest you do a "normal" install
[22:05] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: 390 isn't available in 16.04
[22:05] <bobo_> i cannot install at all because i cannot access BIOS or BOOT order ...
[22:05] <ikonia> it's clear you're struggling with the concept and setup requirements of a persistent USB install, so why not make it easy and just do a normal install
[22:05] <bobo_> i would love to install fully
[22:06] <leftyfb> bobo_: contact Lenovo like you've been told many times
[22:06] <Sven_vB> bobo_, how do you get the live session w/o changing boot order?
[22:07] <Sven_vB> bobo_, also, usually the live disk boot manager should have an option to boot from 1st hard disk
[22:07] <bobo_> my warranty expired long ago ... if i handle my laptop I'm gonna see it in few weeks and is questionable if they gonna fix it or advise me to buy new instead because this one is 5 years old ...
[22:08] <TJ-> Sven_vB: usually the firmware checks for removable media, and if found and has an EFI-SP, looks for the simple media path boot-loader at /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI ... and starts that
[22:08] <ikonia> they can fix a 5 year old laptop
[22:08] <ikonia> they carry spares for a long support period
[22:08] <pete__> how can I get the error message?!?!
[22:09] <leftyfb> pete__: sudo apt-get remove  nvidia-384 && sudo apt-get install nvidia-375
[22:09] <leftyfb> run that
[22:09] <leftyfb> pete__: if you get an error
[22:09] <leftyfb> paste it to pastebin
[22:09] <leftyfb> if not, then it worked, reboot and you'll be fine
[22:09] <bobo_> my hdd corrupted with win 8 so i lost access to even start win. i recover files but gpt been corrupted as well so no access to recovery or win.
[22:09] <pete__> one more time:  HOW CAN I PASTE IT TO PASTEBIN?!?!?
[22:10] <pete__> I AM IN A ROOT SHELL!
[22:10] <pete__> If you know the way to do this, then list here
[22:10] <ikonia> bobo_: that's just a hard disk problem
[22:10] <pete__> but,  I don't know of a way
[22:10] <ikonia> bobo_: lenovo can help you fix that in minutes, or with a very basic swap out
[22:10] <pete__> I have no X, I have no gui
[22:10] <Sven_vB> pete__, can you select the text and copy it to clipboard?
[22:10] <Sven_vB> oh ok
[22:10] <pete__> nope
[22:10] <leftyfb> pete__: install pastebinit
[22:11] <bobo_> at the moment i cannot even start firefox
[22:11] <Sven_vB> pete__, mate the commands log to a file: ( sudo apt-get remove  nvidia-384 && sudo apt-get install nvidia-375 ) |& tee nvidia.log
[22:11] <Sven_vB> pete__, then you can edit that file with nano if needed, and upload it with pastebinit
[22:11] <leftyfb> pete__: btw, don't get all angry, you never asked how to pastebin originally
[22:12] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: that won't catch errors with the removal
[22:12] <leftyfb> oh wait, missed the ()
[22:12] <SkyLord12345> quit
[22:12] <leftyfb> carry on :)
[22:12] <bobo_> ok i opened another terminal ... how can i find out what is wrong with this session? it just don't run normal as b4
[22:12] <Sven_vB> bobo_, at that point I'd really consider replacing the HDD, and rescuing the old one with another computer
[22:13] <Sven_vB> bobo_, install "scrot", then run "scrot foo.png", should create a screenshot in foo.png
[22:13] <Sven_vB> bobo_, would be interesting to know whether the screenshot is bigger than what you can see in real
[22:14] <Sven_vB> maybe some programs hide outside your view
[22:14] <bobo_> i already rescue hdd, i can connect it through USB but datat there is important for me so I try to keep it safe not plugged untill i run os normal
[22:15] <Sven_vB> bobo_, so what's the problem? if you have a new HDD in the notebook, and you get a live session running, to me that sounds like you're set, no need for BIOS access.
[22:16] <Sven_vB> bobo_, then again it would be interesting to debug the BIOS access as well. what's blocking you?
[22:17] <Sven_vB> you could even use another computer of same CPU architecture to install Ubuntu to the HDD, then put it back in the notebook
[22:19] <bobo_> i run live usb at the moment. I believe secure boot is ON and I cannot access boot order. because i remove my hdd and put bootable usb when i pressed NOVO button (button for BIOS,Boot,Recovery) and choose boot is will go straight to choose from usb only
[22:20] <bobo_> and let me run ubuntu. anything else will fail
[22:20] <Sven_vB> oh ok. well whoever decided to activate secure boot should probably refund your cost for a new notebook then.
[22:21] <Sven_vB> well, if it boots from USB, you're in control, right? just put some small cheap USB memory thumb drive with a GRUB that redirects boot to HDD
[22:21] <TJ-> bobo_: if you access the GRUB boot menu by tapping Esc , there should be an option the the it's menu to enter the firmware system Setup
[22:21] <Sven_vB> boot loaders can do that nowadays? amazing.
[22:22] <bobo_> TJ-, does not show BIOS screen or BOOT screen order anymore ... since I resize partitions and try to install ubuntu 5 years ago ...
[22:22] <TJ-> Sven_vB: for UEFI yes, since GRUB is just another UEFI module
[22:23] <Sven_vB> someday I'll learn about UEFI.
[22:23] <TJ-> bobo_: as I said, tap Esc key as the PC start to get to the (hidden) GRUB menu, then select "System Setup" - that tells GRUB to pass control the firmware setup screens
[22:23] <TJ-> bobo_: you'd tap Esc after you've selected to boot from the USb device
[22:24] <bobo_> ok, i try it ...
[22:28] <br34k> Hi guys, has anyone run Ubuntu Desktop on XenServer?
[22:28] <slidinghorn> !anyone | br34k
[22:28] <slidinghorn> they must have gotten rid of that one...
[22:29] <slidinghorn> !ask | br34k
[22:29] <Sven_vB> br34k, someone might admit to it if you offer an interesting topic.
[22:30] <br34k> uh, i didn't ask to ask, i asked. Anyway, having issues displaying anything post bootstrap in the XenCenter console window
[22:31] <br34k> Citrix refuses to support it because 17.10 "isn't supported"
[22:32] <Sven_vB> now that's a good step towards a question about a problem that might motivate people to help.
[22:32]  * br34k rolls eyes
[22:33] <Sven_vB> what do I know, maybe people familiar with Citrix can even deduct the question already
[22:34] <br34k> i asked the question in #citrix but only got crickets
[22:35] <Sven_vB> maybe all people familiar with it are too busy partying just now
[22:36] <br34k> must be.. haven't had a good experience with citrix support, whether it be through an official ticket or community support
[22:37] <Sven_vB> oh, I just remembered where I heard that name before. I had to use some Citrix software a few years ago and yeah wasn't really my favorite.
[22:37] <Sven_vB> maybe you can find a way to work with some other vendor's software. :)
[22:38] <br34k> ha. i wish. locked in as i inherited this environment
[22:38] <br34k> there's no way in hell i would have made that decision
[22:39] <Sven_vB> well, "isn't supported" sounds like a legit pretext to convince management to start fresh.
[22:39] <Sven_vB> or they'll convince Citrix to offer support
[22:40] <br34k> the weird thing is, they only support their "official" image templates.. but it creeps me out to use someone else's image instead of just pulling the official ubuntu .iso
[22:41] <br34k> first time in my career i've heard of a hypervisor that only supports their own images... bullshit if you ask me
[22:41] <bobo_> when i access grub and execute any command i got error:Secure Boot forbids loading module from (hd0,gpt3)/boot/grub/x86_64-efi/help.mod
[22:45] <TJ-> bobo_: what model is the PC? there's something really weird about that... firmware shouldn't interfere once the signed GRUB has loaded
[22:46] <bobo_> Lenovo z580
[22:46] <bobo_> lenovo does not have any issue for that
[22:47] <Sven_vB> br34k, maybe they need some special kernel module to work efficiently with some black CPU magic, and prefer to not tell people how the sausage is made. might be hard to explain why preparations to compile that module require cat sacrifices.
[22:47] <bear_> hi
[22:47] <Irritiable|LT> Hi, bear_.
[22:50] <Sven_vB> br34k, why does their image creep you out in the first place? they provide your hypervisor, so you should be able to trust them, right?
[22:51] <bobo_> few people got offered MB replacement. laptop comes with win7/8 preinstalled with secure boot anabled. if anybody try to install other OS along win or clean install they ends with no access to BIOS or BOOT or with dead laptop with no error msg just black screen ...
[22:51] <bobo_> there are plenty people they tried to install ubuntu and everything gone wrong ...
[22:52] <Sven_vB> eww, that sounds like a bad trap.
[22:52] <Sven_vB> then again, people should check their BIOS settings before trying to install *any* OS.
[22:53] <slidinghorn> ^^
[22:53] <bobo_> i just let it with win only and access linux in virualbox but last driver fail corrupted gpt and there was no chance to boot at all ...
[22:53] <eury_> No video thumbnails for .avi and .mp4 files. gstreamer and ffmpeg are already installed, deleted the thumbnail cache but to no avail.
[22:54] <pete> hello
[22:54] <bobo_> that was 2012 when i tried to install ubuntu ... i got use to BIOS the old one ...
[22:54] <pete> can someone decipher this problem?
[22:54] <Sven_vB> I'd say it's an unfortunately expensive lesson to teach you to obtain full control of your BIOS on any remaining and future computers you use.
[22:54] <pete> https://unsee.cc/d8cdcb83/
[22:54] <sla3k> Hi, is there a way I can make a copy of entire OS disk and keep it in a safe, in case the disk gets failed or anything? Just put this backed up disk in and boot the system? I am Ubuntu 16.04 LTS server
[22:55] <pete> https://unsee.cc/d8cdcb83/
[22:55] <Sven_vB> I don't know that much about secure boot; can it be reset with some hardware reset switch like BIOS passwords on the old days?
[22:56] <Irritiable|LT> Sven_vB: Master passwords exist on lots of BIOS/UEFIs.
[22:56] <pete> it's easier for me than pastebin at the moment because I cannot figure out how to save the text in root shell
[22:56] <TJ-> bobo_: I'm seeing signs there might be a way to workaround or even fix it, but I need to spend more time reading the details. What kernel version is it using "uname -r" ?
[22:56] <Irritiable|LT> You should be able to swap the PIN configuration to reset it anyway, Sven_vB.
[22:56] <ntd> current bionic kernel will cause some issues for len users
[22:56] <Sven_vB> bobo_, maybe you can regain contol via one of Irritiable|LT's suggestions
[22:56] <ntd> i really do hope they won't push current as iso :)
[22:57] <Sven_vB> pete, can't see the image, site is too paranoid. do you have a direct link to an image file?
[22:57] <bobo_> 4.13.0-36 generic
[22:58] <br34k> hey bobo_, did you go into the bios and disable secure boot? I'm assuming yes
[22:59] <bobo_> I cannot access BIOS at all. and in 2012 when i bought laptop I did not know that is tied to win OS and will trouble other OS install so NO. Secure Boot is ON
[22:59] <br34k> uefi right?
[22:59] <bobo_> yes
[22:59] <TJ-> bobo_: OK, read the description and instructions for possibly fixing it here. It involves downloading and installing a specially built kernel and doing some reboots. Read the instructions VERY CAREFULLY before going ahead. Bug #1734147
[22:59] <Sven_vB> bobo_, time to upgrade your hacking skills :)
[22:59] <pete> I also have this msg:   could not resolve 'ca.archive.ubuntu.com'
[23:00] <pete> Sven_vB: no :(
[23:00] <pete> which image upload site should i use?
[23:00] <TJ-> bobo_: the bug I've linked you to was caused by a recent 17.10 problem, but the repair functionality in the special built kernel *may* fix your issue
[23:01] <bobo_> when i reboot it fail to start so i have to turn off and start again
[23:02] <br34k> bobo_, check this out: "First of all boot into the BIOS (Hold down f12 at boot, then press tab, and select bios). next goto the security TAB. Here you will see the secure boot option enabled but greyed out. Select "administrative password" input a password, you are now able to disable secure boot!"
[23:02] <TJ-> bobo_: that's fine, the reboot is so you can select the special kernel from the GRUB boot menu. Remember to get to that you have to tap Esc key
[23:02] <Sven_vB> pete, dunno, I only know a german image hoster that I could recommend. / that error sounds like your internet connection is configured incorrectly
[23:02] <TJ-> br34k: That won't work, that's the problem. The firmware's NVRAM variables have been corrupted and it's locked out any access
[23:03] <br34k> oh i see. well damn
[23:03] <pete> sven, I never did anything to my internet.... hating ubuntu and nvidia right now
[23:03] <Sven_vB> pete, a quick-and-dirty workaround could be to add "91.189.88.149   ca.archive.ubuntu.com" to your /etc/hosts
[23:04] <TJ-> br34k: indeed, it's a bug in the firmware but lenovo have been terrible at actually admitting and fixing the affected PCs, and it does affect loads
[23:04] <bobo_> br34k, no key combination will allow me to see bios or boot screen ... no matter how many times i pressed or how long, or try to force hardware by disrupt start nothing will force it to BIOS. not even battery reset ...
[23:04] <TJ-> br34k: the trigger is another OS trying to add itself to the UEI boot menu...calls into the firmware to do that, and firmware corrupts it's internal state
[23:05] <Sven_vB> pete, just remember to remove that hosts entry again soon
[23:06] <Sven_vB> pete, otherwise it might block you from accessing the site once its IP changes
[23:08]  * Sven_vB eagerly awaits the day mankind invents a human friendly OS, where any config can have overrides with a validity period.
[23:09] <Sven_vB> well systemd probably offers that and I just haven't found the related chapter of its docs. :)
[23:11] <pete> Sven_vB: why that?
[23:12] <pete> I have no idea how to solve this problem :(
[23:12] <pete> I didn't want to be spending my time doing this today
[23:12] <pete> I am reading about editing resolv.conf
[23:13] <pete> and adding nameserver 8.8.8.8 etc
[23:14] <TJ-> pete: Just looked at your photos. The primary problem I see is the root file system is read-only... that indicates there is fiel-system corruption that hasn't been repaired at boot time by fsck (file system check)
[23:14] <pete> kubuntu firefox keeps having popups...
[23:15] <pete> TJ-: do you know how to fix that?
[23:15] <TJ-> pete: did you start it in Recovery mode?
[23:16] <pete> TJ-: it's the only way I can access that ubuntu partition right now (i.e. the OS there)
[23:16] <pete> I have no X shell/ no gui
[23:16] <pete> I'm using this irc program in another partition - another OS
[23:17] <pete> TJ that makes sense  to me... but, I think I have a nvidia problem too....but, that sounds like a problem to fix first?
[23:18] <TJ-> pete: OK, let's see if we can remount the root file-system read/write to begin with. Do this "mount -o remount,rw /"
[23:18] <TJ-> pete: then try "touch /test" - if that works you've now got read/write so delete that test with "rm /test"
[23:20] <leftyfb> pete: how are you accessing your ubuntu OS? Are you booted to Ubuntu or some other OS with the drive mounted?
[23:20] <pete> I have to write this down
[23:21] <pete> leftyfb: #2
[23:21] <TJ-> pete: is this another Linux OS you're using?
[23:22] <pete> kubuntu 17.04 - hasn't been updated in a long time :-(
[23:22] <TJ-> pete: Oh! then we can fix the other system from here
[23:22] <pete> TJ-:  it's ubuntu 17.10 I cannot boot into
[23:22] <pete> my main system :(
[23:22] <TJ-> pete: right. Can you collect some diagnostic info for us so we can figure it out?
[23:23] <pete> mount -o remount, rw /
[23:23] <pete> is that right?
[23:23] <TJ-> pete: The current OS, does it have full Internet access?
[23:23] <eury_> No video thumbnails for .avi and .mp4 files. gstreamer and ffmpeg are already installed, deleted the thumbnail cache but to no avail.
[23:24] <pete> what diagnostic info?
[23:24] <pete> it probably does?
[23:24] <pete> i could ping something?
[23:24] <TJ-> pete: 1st install the tool: "sudo apt install pastebinit"
[23:25] <pete> sudo apt install...?  not 'apt-get?'
[23:25] <akem> eury_, you modified totem.thumbnailer too?
[23:25] <TJ-> pete: just copy/paste the commands I give you
[23:26] <eury_> @akem nope
[23:26] <pete> copy/paste to what? :(
[23:26] <eury_> sorry but im using elemetary os
[23:26] <TJ-> pete: On the PC you're on now, in a terminal: "sudo apt install pastebinit"
[23:27] <akem> eury_, i don't know but on Ubuntu you have to, see answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/150492/way-to-make-video-thumbnails-generate-from-vlc-instead-of-totem
[23:28] <pete> ok done
[23:28] <eury_> @akem thank u ;)
[23:28] <pete> I hope you explain why I'm doing it on an OS that is 'working' afterwardds
[23:28] <slidinghorn> eury_ note that those instructions might not work. Elementary OS is different than Ubuntu
[23:28] <akem> Np.
[23:28] <TJ-> pete: Great - now I can give you commands you can copy from here, paste into a terminal, which will capture diagnostic info and automatically send it to the Ubuntu pastebin. Then all you do is copy the URL it gives you into this channel
[23:29] <TJ-> pete: Linux allows us to access any other OS and mount it as if it were running, to fix it
[23:29] <pete> ok
[23:29] <eury_> @slidinghorn yes, i'll let u know if it worked out.
[23:31] <TJ-> pete: here we go: "pastebinit <( lsblk -f; blkid; sudo gdisk -l )"
[23:32] <bobo_>  i got guide, save it. downloaded and waiting to finish install.
[23:32] <eury_> Didn't work. eos doesn't use nautilus as file manager.
[23:32] <TJ-> bobo_: I really hope it helps you - you deserve some good luck!
[23:32] <eury_> the elementary channel is inactive.
[23:32] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wh6MtMY7GJ/
[23:33] <bobo_> TJ-, thanks, been frustrating because i read nearly every post about cannot access BIOS or Boot. I gave up few times. get try to fix it again, fail and again ...
[23:34] <TJ-> pete: which partition is the broken OS in, do you know? sda2, sda3 ?
[23:35] <pete> i believe it's sda3
[23:35] <pete> sda6 is kubuntu
[23:35] <TJ-> pete: show us "pastebinit <( sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda; sudo blkid /dev/sda* )"
[23:36] <bobo_> is one more thing I want to ask. I did run ubuntu from usb b4 and worked fine but just now it starts like in emergency mode or so. i have only 2 files on desktop (examples and install) no taskbar nothing ... no time ...
[23:36] <bobo_> so have to open terminal and run hexchat in one and firefox in other terminal.
[23:36] <bobo_> never had it b4
[23:37] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mwTc4Bc4wH/
[23:37] <slidinghorn> bobo_ did you follow the screenshot instructions sven_vb give
[23:38] <pete> invalid gpt?  what?!?  what is wrong with the fs?!? :(
[23:39] <bobo_> maybe you can regain contol via one of Irritiable|LT's suggestions
[23:39] <bobo_>  ??? this one?
[23:39] <TJ-> bobo_: as a workaround to get something usable create a new user account and log-in to that. Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get to a console, login, then do "sudo adduser <someusername>" then once that's done do "sudo adduser <somenewuser> sudo" (which will give the new user sudo root privileges) then "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service" - that should bring up the log-in screen, where you can use the new account
[23:40] <TJ-> pete: no problem, it's MBR only. we used the GPT tool because it reports both in a decent format
[23:40] <pete> TJ-: okay...what can I do now?
[23:40] <pete> I hope it can be repaired
[23:40] <TJ-> pete: so sda3 is 50GB, does that sound like the broken OS?
[23:41] <pete> Actually, I think I have a HDD problem but I'll explain what I mean after this
[23:41] <pete> yes, it does
[23:41] <pete> my first ubuntu OS - I used as main but it's 100gb....but, then I started using another mostly - upgraded this one to 17.10 and I am pretty sure it is sda3
[23:41] <pete> I have not used sda2 or sda6 (what I am using now) in a while
[23:42] <TJ-> pete: OK, let's get access and see what we can do. "sudo mkdir /target; sudo mount /dev/sda3 /target; for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[23:42] <pete> I installed more apps in sda3 (17.10) and upgraded the nvidia driver a few times - today at 3.84 I ran into this boot problem
[23:43] <pete> done...no output so that's a good sign?
[23:43] <TJ-> pete: it is
[23:44] <pete> oops, that's for TJ
[23:44] <undeclared> Is there any way to guarantee my gpu uses the vfio driver?
[23:44] <TJ-> pete: now we're going to enter into the broken system using a 'change root'. At any time you can leave it with "exit", OK ?
[23:44] <pete> okay
[23:44] <pete> TJ-: ok
[23:45] <TJ-> pete: so now do "sudo chroot /target /bin/bash" and you should see the shell prompt character change from a "$" to a "#"
[23:46] <pete> TJ-: yep
[23:46] <TJ-> pete: You're now the 'root' user in the broken system so we can work at fixing it with ease
[23:46] <pete> TJ-: good :)
[23:46] <TJ-> pete: first check if it has network connectivity: "ping archive.ubuntu.com"
[23:47] <pete> yes, good
[23:47] <pete> q? right to stop?
[23:47] <leftyfb> TJ-: woah, wait a minute .... you can bind mount files?!?!?!!
[23:47] <TJ-> pete: sure
[23:47] <TJ-> leftyfb: of course :)
[23:47] <nacc> leftyfb: yeah it's really useful for debugging snaps
[23:47] <leftyfb> SOB
[23:47] <nacc> because the snap is RO, but you can bind mount a rw file in it
[23:47] <leftyfb> god I love linux
[23:47] <TJ-> pete: now do "mount -a" - this will ensure all the mounts in /etc/fstab are in the correct plaves
[23:48] <nacc> leftyfb: yeah it's amazing how far we've come
[23:48] <pete> it won't stop
[23:48] <TJ-> pete: Ctrl+X
[23:48] <TJ-> pete: Ctrl+C
[23:48] <TJ-> lol my fat fingers... desperately need a mug of tea!
[23:48] <pete> TJ-:  I remembered.... control C
[23:48] <TJ-> pete: usually ping is configured to do 5 pings then stop automatically :)
[23:48] <pete> geez
[23:49] <TJ-> pete: OK so "mount -a"
[23:49] <pete> btw, this system is also sick
[23:49] <pete> the browser doesn't work properly
[23:49] <leftyfb> TJ-: that was a Windows thing ... and I think it was only 3 times
[23:49] <TJ-> pete: now do "apt update && apt full-upgrade"
[23:50] <TJ-> leftyfb: it happens in Linux/Ubuntu too... I think root gets unlimited, users get 5 pings by default :) I get caught out by it sometimes on remote sessions
[23:50] <leftyfb> TJ-: my pings have always gone forever
[23:50] <TJ-> haha which just reminded me I started 2 pings 4 hours ago and they are both still running!
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I think ping stop automatically when run as a user, root runs continuously
[23:50] <pete> TJ-: so far so good
[23:50] <pete> do you want to continue - y or -  choose y - right?
[23:50] <TJ-> pete: Right, has it upgraded any packages ?
[23:51] <TJ-> pete: YES
[23:51] <TJ-> pete: if this completes we know the packages are in an OK state
[23:51] <TJ-> pete: so now you'd best tell me the actual problem this OS has! I came in after you described it earlier!
[23:52] <TJ-> pete: and I'll got get a hot drink
[23:52] <pete> TJ-: it completed!
[23:53] <pete> TJ-:  the fs is repaired?
[23:53] <pete> so, maybe it will return to the original sign:   flickering screen and nvidia messages?
[23:53] <pete> TJ-:  you deserve whatever drink you want :)
[23:53] <pete> TJ-: I'll be here :)
[23:56] <TJ-> pete: OK, so display problems. Let's collect some log files: "pastebinit <( tail -n 1000 /var/log/kern.log; cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log )"
[23:58] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qQNj6gDgjG/
[23:59] <TJ-> pete: so the issue is "NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 384.130, but ..."