[04:23] good morning to all [04:25] WB lotuspsychje :) [04:28] hey Bashing-om [04:28] 22 degress this weekend [04:31] lotuspsychje: Cold here too .. and that S word tomorrow ! [04:31] Heber Springs, AR: Temp: 48°F (9°C) ~ Overcast ~ Humidity: 43% ~ Wind: From the North at 8 MPH Gusting to 16 MPH ~ Alert: Freeze Warning ~ Observed: Fri 06, 23:15 [04:35] for us this is warm :p [04:38] come on sun shine ! [04:40] yess [04:40] lets c if im bit up to date here [04:41] lotuspsychje: Bionic with lots of updates - beta-2 . [04:42] yeah readed [04:45] 58mb [04:52] !info linux-image-generic bionic [04:52] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.15.0.13.14 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB [04:57] reboot [05:01] lotuspsychje: And all good from the reboot :P [05:01] yeah boot desktop still too slow as i need it to be [05:02] xfce [05:03] lotuspsychje: xfce here and I have a 3+ second delay after password is entered .. not looked at yet . [05:04] neat [05:16] morning all [05:17] hey EriC^^ [05:18] hey lotuspsychje [05:19] what's up? [05:19] playing with bionic beta EriC^^ [05:21] going to jacuzzi soon [05:28] niice [05:28] with breakfast :p [05:31] lotuspsychje: Breakfast in jacuzzi ... beats Breakfast in bed ?? [05:32] lol [05:32] i mean breakfast before jacuzzi, we got 3h [05:32] its an arrangement [05:33] lotuspsychje: Aye ,, Vacation :P [05:34] yess [06:13] rebooting the physical half - back in a few hours :) [06:13] \o [06:49] good morning, everyone [06:51] o/ [06:51] morn :) === EriC^ is now known as Guest20959 === Guest20959 is now known as EriC^^ [09:54] morning all [10:14] good noon to all [10:52] !info ubuntu-unity-desktop [10:53] Package ubuntu-unity-desktop does not exist in artful [10:53] !info ubuntu-unity-desktop bionic [10:53] ubuntu-unity-desktop (source: ubuntu-unity-meta): The Ubuntu Unity desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 8 kB (Only available for amd64; arm64; armhf; i386; ppc64el) [10:53] https://www.deviantart.com/art/Unity-1-739160105 [11:01] bbl city walk [11:55] Hi folks [12:08] hey :) how are things BluesKaj? [12:09] Hi daftykins, doing ok here, how about you? [12:17] pretty good! i'm in London at the moment and for the last few days, setting up the IT and audio/video in my clients apartment [12:39] daftykins: aha, sounds like an interesting setup [12:40] being an old a/v guy myself [12:41] ah ha, in that case he chose 3 x Bowers and Wilkins Cinema 7s for the fronts, a pair of B&W Mission speakers at the rear, then we have my choice of the LG OLED 55" B7 TV, Marantz NR1508 AV receiver and a 4K bluray player here in the lounge [12:42] Nice!\ [12:43] B&W , whoa , wish I could afford their speakers [12:44] i think these 5 were about £1,800 [12:44] i made a video if you'd like to see? i can private message the youtube link [12:44] sure [13:00] Hey TJ- [13:02] Hi BluesKaj [13:09] \o [13:51] good afternoon [13:51] burning a lubuntu bionic to usb [13:57] lotuspsychje, yeah give it a test. do all the work for us. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/07/tim-dowling-i-love-watching-other-people-work [13:58] lol [13:59] gonna try it on hp pavilion 32bit [13:59] lotuspsychje, the older the better [14:00] plugged in 2gig i had leftover, it had 1gig [14:01] could someone take over helping out saberu? Trying to help them get this working Realtek RTL8812AU 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN Adapter. Currently following https://askubuntu.com/questions/991643/rtl8812au-usb-adapter-driver-issues [14:01] realteks are real pain lately [14:02] got one myself stuck on bionic [14:02] leftyfb: most cases its kernel and firmware related it doesnt work properly [14:02] nm, got it working :) [14:04] anyone knows why usn is down? [14:05] wow 404 even. not just down [14:10] yeah [14:12] 32-bit :O [14:12] lol [14:12] daftykins: another machine yo would dump in container :p [14:12] or bury ;) [14:12] lol [14:12] but this isnt mine mate [14:13] it has a nice sticker 'designed for windows Xp' on it! [14:13] *nod* [14:14] lotuspsychje: i have two of these at home doing nothing if you could ever make use of them for anyone - https://ark.intel.com/products/31733/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E2180-1M-Cache-2_00-GHz-800-MHz-FSB [14:14] lets c [14:15] daftykins: just the cpu? [14:15] yep, two of them [14:15] ah cool [14:15] well i also have box full stripped cpu's here [14:15] oh ok :) [14:16] id rather stick to working machines, new or young :p [14:16] well a cpu from 2017 is good enough i think regardless the fact that is obviously a low end model [14:16] 2007 [14:16] yeah it used to run my file server a few years ago [14:16] oops misread that lol [14:17] then i take back evetything i've said [14:17] :D [14:17] i had to [14:18] oh no that irri guy is back [14:20] https://imgur.com/a/nZF1c [14:20] Ebuntu Proto(my enlightenment ubuntu distro which doesn't exist yet) [14:21] Proto = Prototype, and Ebuntu because it's Ubuntu with Enlightenment [14:21] zerorax, is in the making? [14:21] kostkon, correct. I am making it [14:22] I'm actually doing it as practice for when I roll out my own laptops in a few months... right now I'm just learning how to make an ubuntu based distro supporting all the upstream ubuntu stuff and repos [14:22] in a few months I'll be selling C201P "Chromebooks" with Ebuntu, I made the hardware acceleration drivers gpu on the chromebook and a custom firmware that allows booting ubuntu [14:22] zerorax, looks fine other than the theming [14:23] kostkon, yeah that's the default enlightenment theme, but personally I like it. Obviously at some point I will make it look more unique with it's own theme [14:23] I also have a Zen distro I made, 16.04 all packages recompiled for Ryzen/Threadripper optimized [14:24] but it was also practice for doing more serious things, since I would have to recompile everything in the repos to make it useful\ [14:24] zerorax: wich enlightment version is this based on? [14:24] zerorax, why proto? does the name imply some kind of numerical significance? [14:24] lotuspsychje, 21 [14:24] kostkon, proto is because it's a prototype:P [14:25] I will drop the Proto and replace it with alpha when it gets to testing stages [14:25] right now there's still some small issues to figure out and I need to clean it up some bit [14:25] wasnt there some enlightment distro's out there already? [14:26] bodhi is the only enlightenment distro i know of [14:26] yeah, but it's crap [14:26] bodhi is not good #1 and #2, I need to practice running a distro and making them because in a few months I will be selling laptops [14:27] 1.8ghz quad core rockchip64 with mali t764 and 4gb ram for $300 preloaded with Ebuntu, it's rebranded chromebooks and I made the gpu driver have full hardware acceleration for rendering and video codeing/decoding [14:27] eolive or something too? [14:28] anything rockchip is bad :> [14:28] daftykins, it's very good hardware [14:29] I have 5 of them that I'm using to test my GPU drivers right now [14:29] nah they're cheap chinese SoCs that suck [14:30] daftykins, they are cheap, correct. [14:30] The hardware I will be selling will be $300 for a netbook, so yes, they are cheap [14:30] I can get away with charging $300 because I put the work into making it run linux and because no spectre/meltdown which is a hot button issue right now [14:31] they are $250 with chromeos [14:31] from asus [14:31] but... back to Ebunut [14:31] anyone have suggestions for things I should do to it? [14:31] oops don't spell it that way in any adverts :) [14:31] zerorax: im a fan of vanilla ubuntu [14:32] lotuspsychje, Cool, well, that will of course be an option for you to install, but I like enlightenment, it's fairly light weight but very nice compositing and effects... I just like it\ [14:32] zerorax: http://news.softpedia.com/news/exlight-linux-distro-now-based-on-ubuntu-17-10-features-enlightenment-desktop-518582.shtml [14:32] I'll ship it with anything the customer wants if they request it and it exists [14:33] yeah I don't like enlightenment 22 [14:33] I stopped liking at 20 when they made it look like osx [14:33] But yeah, even if what I'm making exists, I need to make it so I learn how to make ubuntu based/compatible distros [14:33] Because soon i'll have to roll an aarch64 one, which i'm sure doesn't exist [14:34] So I'm practice and make something nice at the same time [14:34] I'm a hacker, not in the illegal sense, in the sense that I learn from playing with things and doing stuff [14:34] So to learn to make a ubuntu variant, I am making one:D [14:34] learning as I go [14:35] got a webshop? [14:35] nope [14:35] I got nothing [14:35] I have a blog... but it's down for maintenance that I've been putting off for a long time [14:35] I'm gonna make a blog post about rolling your own ubuntu variant when I'm done this [14:35] and, when it comes time to sell, I'll be selling on amazon [14:36] anyways I gotta go... BJJ class is calling my name [14:36] tty all later [17:04] sigh [17:05] hggdh: ehhhh whats up doc :p [17:05] some users at #u rub me wrong... [17:05] it was a bugsbunny joke :p [17:06] he's been working on many nerves lately [17:08] yeah. I am starting to think this will have to stop [17:09] problem with these guys, they mix offtopic with support [17:10] indeed, and -- even worse -- do not know how to stop. Unfortunately [17:19] hey ericrajuin [17:19] EriC^^ [17:19] lol [17:19] hey [17:20] hggdh: there we go again [17:21] done [17:21] hggdh: perfect opportunity for elmor joke , wth man [17:22] :D [17:22] heh [17:22] lets c what he does :p [17:22] now at #freenode [17:30] trolls be trolling [17:31] yeah [17:31] same as that irrit... guy [17:36] petro: wich card do you have atm? [17:36] hi, I am wondering if anyone can give me feedback or an opinion on nvidia cards use vs amd radeon cards [17:36] on wich ubuntu version petro ? [17:36] I have a gtx 750 [17:36] ubuntu 17.10 [17:37] I usually like to use two ubuntu versions, an 'older one' that I don't use much as a back-up and the 'most recent' [17:37] for e.g., I have two partitions, 17.04 and 17.10 [17:37] petro: 17.04 is end of life [17:38] I've had two 'nvidia' problems in the last year.... one last night and one a while ago [17:38] petro: and on 17.10 wayland and nvidia are not quiet ready yet [17:38] lotuspsychje, yes, I have to update it soon [17:38] lotuspsychje, I know :) [17:38] petro: so for your card: nouveau + xorg might be an idea [17:38] are you familiar with phoronix? sometimes, I read that site... I thought amd drivers were improving [17:39] petro, so are you planning to buy a new card [17:39] petro: drivers always improving [17:39] kostkon, no plan yet [17:39] I was just wondering about it [17:39] petro, your current one is really old though [17:39] petro: i have a Radeon RX 580 here (specifically 1002:67df), which runs (and performas) with the open source amdgpu driver (but depends on proprietary firmware). am very happy with it. [17:39] a rx 550 is about $135 here but only 2mb [17:39] kostkon, yeah, that was part of the consideration [17:39] petro: we have some users reporting a nice nvidia + wayland experience too [17:40] lotuspsychje, how? [17:40] lotuspsychje, I thought you cannot use wayland with a nvidia card? [17:40] I know that I cannot log in the wayland section [17:40] I mean, option [17:40] petro: depends type of chipset, tweaks i think [17:41] petro: bashing-om reported he got his wayland working like a charm [17:41] I thought you can use Intel and AMD Radeon with Wayland now? [17:41] *graphics* [17:41] petro: he will come online soon, idle here and ask him ok [17:42] petro: my netbook has amd card, wayland works but bit more lags then xorg [17:43] my experience with users asking for support with graphics hardware is that people with nvidia systems run into problems whenever they do distribution upgrades (but not often those who use other grphics chipsets) [17:44] my gtx 750 is using the maxwell gpu architecture....whatever that means for wayland [17:44] tomreyn, yep [17:45] I also think an upgrade of the kernel or even the graphics driver means potential problems [17:45] petro: for your card, xenial works fine perhaps with the ubuntu graphics ppa [17:45] it tends to [17:45] I'm kinda tired of the nvidia drivers causing the entire system to be messed up [17:46] lotuspsychje, until it doesn't? :) [17:46] petro: meanwhile devs are working hard on 18.04.1 who knows what will happen in the future? [17:46] nvidia is best for gaming, I'm told but I don't really game.... I'm sure hard core gamers would put up with those issues [17:47] lotuspsychje, yeah, true...but, there seems to be an issue whenever upgrading [17:47] nvidias can provide the highest performance. amd is not *that* far behind. [17:47] petro: thats not very true, 14.04 and 16.04 working great on your card [17:48] petro: if you choose non-lts versions, you agree latest/not so stable installs [17:48] my main usage that would be effected by graphics drivers quality: video streaming... I guess that is #1 [17:49] lotuspsychje, I usually run one of both.... I use lts for my backup ...if anything happens to the other one [17:50] petro: ok, so you say you dont game so xorg + nouveau did you test it? [17:50] I used to run Debian too.... but, I was too busy for maintenance... for e.g. I ran Stable and sid [17:51] oh, that was interesting bugz succeeded in bothering so much on #freenode that he was k-lined [17:51] lol [17:52] hggdh: they always punish themselfs at the end [17:53] lotuspsychje: indeed. This is a good example of the wrath of idiots [17:53] lol [17:53] too bad, as their potential was volunteering.. [17:54] seems like being helpful is relative for everyone [17:54] OTOH, many times I saw him/her giving weird advice [17:55] ah [17:55] never watched him closely, that rabbit was so fast :p [17:55] heh [17:56] of course, they do not know when to stop. They are back at #freenode [17:56] lotuspsychje, I was running the proprietary driver [17:57] petro: wich version [17:57] lotuspsychje, can I choose between nouveau and proprietary with software? [17:57] I used 375 and recently, 384 [17:58] petro: on xorg or wayland? [17:59] 'Software and Updates' displays the driver in use but there's an option to change it to nouveau [17:59] lotuspsychje, either... I assume I cannot use wayland? [17:59] petro: sudo apt purge nvidia* makes you go back to nouveau [18:00] lotuspsychje, you can't select it in those settings? [18:00] petro: so test xorg + nouveau ok [18:00] petro: normally yes, check ubuntu-drivers list from a terminal [18:00] I am not sure if I recall, accurately, but on the devtalk forum for nvidia, I think several people were complaining of having problems trying wayland [18:01] what about the gui list? [18:01] petro: correct a lot of bugs already, but then we have some good storys aswell [18:01] I prefer to switch with that rather than 'purging' it manually :) [18:01] I was about to 'purge it' last night as a last resort... I had a nvidia issue and also grub issue..kernel issue :) [18:02] petro: in GUI additional drivers it should show Xorg also yes [18:02] lotuspsychje, yep [18:02] it does [18:02] hggdh: s10gopal is also working hard on this [18:02] petro: ok, pick and reboot [18:02] hggdh tomreyn yeah, confirming that on offtopic alot [18:03] tomreyn: yes. I wonder if today is the International Day of Being a Bore [18:03] tomreyn: and that irrit guy cant recall full name [18:03] IrritableVowelSymdrome? [18:03] something like that yeah TJ- [18:03] irritiable? [18:04] yes [18:05] irritiable with or without |LT, but i didn't see him cause trouble [18:05] petro: as our conversation has now turned into more support, you could back using #ubuntu if you like [18:05] I'm leaving it as is for the moment [18:05] * tomreyn food [18:05] no sweat [18:05] But, I was wondering what you would have to do if you switched to an amd card [18:06] petro: i would not buy hardware to make an ubuntu system work [18:06] petro: i would choose the ubuntu version, that works on current card [18:06] *you would have nvida proprietary drivers or nouveau installed* (but would want to use amdgpu drivers or something?) [18:07] didnt test amdgpu on wayland myself sorry [18:07] What works best with ubuntu 17.10 or 18.04 and stable kernel (4.13?) [18:07] petro: 18.04 has now kernel 4.15 [18:08] oops, I meant 4.15 [18:08] okay, that combo, then? [18:08] petro: we really cant generalize things like that [18:08] petro: every system is different [18:09] petro: in most cases, choosing an LTS version is best, but not always true [18:10] petro: sometimes the system needs a latest outfit [18:10] newer hardware, later kernels [18:11] petro: perhaps take a look at ubuntu certified hardware url [18:11] petro: https://certification.ubuntu.com/ [18:14] petro: but even when you pick the best hardware for ubuntu, ubuntu itself also changes during the years [18:25] lotuspsychje, sure [18:26] lotuspsychje, but, the amd rx 550, for e.g., is a fairly recent card....and I could use open source drivers...they're supposedly pretty good right now [18:26] better than nouveau, I think...but, I was hoping someone here who has tried either or both, would offer an opinion :) [18:28] we have some users on amd cards here [18:29] so... I bought a new laptop from System76 -- galago pro -- and was wondering how long it would survive on battery [18:29] hggdh: wow, how much did it cost? [18:30] I did not notice, this morning, that the power plug got disconnected, so now I know: at least 4 hours [18:30] neat [18:30] so you running that popOs! thing hggdh ? [18:30] lotuspsychje: with the two SSDdrives (250G and 500G), plus 32GM of main memory, $1,700 [18:30] dingdong :p [18:31] lotuspsychje: no, I ,I immediately installed Bionic. Unfortunately, I should have tried pop-os [18:31] but I will get the old laptop and put it on pop-os [18:31] im also a vanilla ubuntu lover :p [18:32] i bet that rocknrolls on 32ram [18:33] right now it reports 4G in use... but the VMs will start piling in [18:33] and containers [18:33] but builds are quite fast, even on an i5 [18:33] neat [18:33] hggdh: your on gnome or other flavor? [18:33] in fact, faster than they were on the old system76, with a full i7 [18:34] gnome [18:34] only one nitpick: gnome does not provide persistent scaling of the display (it is a hidpi one) [18:34] ah [18:35] on wayland or xorg? [18:35] so logs in with 200% scaling, pretty much transforming the HiDPI to 1800x1080 [18:35] xorg [18:36] hggdh: i sell clevo barebones with ubuntu and samsung 850 pro ssd's [18:36] nice [18:37] alot cheaper then system76 [18:37] at least you can get one built for you much cheaper [18:37] yeah [18:37] had I known... [18:37] but then system76 is very high end [18:37] hggdh, it has a 4k monitor? [18:37] yes [18:37] nice [18:37] hey oerheks [18:37] off of 4k glory in 13 inches [18:38] s/off/all/ [18:38] hggdh, more than enough for that screen size [18:38] yes indeed [18:38] https://system76.com/laptops/galago [18:38] I am waiting to get back home and plug it in a big 4k display [18:39] (like a 60'' TV set [18:39] petro: Bashing-om in the house, ask him [18:41] lotuspsychje: Just poking me head in .. not got the body ready - yet :P [18:41] Bashing-om: dont worry, i warn users our idles are BIG [18:43] lotuspsychje: :D ... I will - I will .. sooner or later :) [18:45] Bashing-om: petro was curious how you got wayland and nvidia to work [18:46] not, nvidia and wayland are no go [18:47] you would get a Xorg inlog only, after install nvidia drivers [18:47] thats what i always so too [18:47] but Bashing-om here got it straight [18:47] and the saga with bugz keeps on [18:47] i hope the synaptic bug is gone with 18.04 [18:47] nt compatible with wayland yet [18:48] lets prepare for a bionic bug tsunami :p [18:49] but dont worry TJ- gonna do overtime lol [18:49] poor lad, just awake from wintersleep .. [18:50] oh for some feedback [18:52] tested lubuntu 32bit 18.04 daily today with success, by bypassing the ubiquity bug with 'try lubuntu' [18:52] lotuspsychje: petro .. well still a work in progress: for one instance - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2385770 . [18:54] setup has now a normal/mini option looking shiny :p [19:01] Bashing-om: does that mean that 390 likes wayland? [19:05] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.15-NVIDIA-390-Driver [19:08] lotuspsychje: Means that it "might" work in wayland .. a lot depends on the card . [19:08] cool [19:15] lotuspsychje: If I could find it in my notes .. If I could find it ! the progress of the 390 driver on wayland . [19:16] Bashing-om: im already browsing, alot to find on 390 howtos [19:16] Corrected the SONAME of the copy of the libnvidia-egl-wayland library included in the .run installer package to libnvidia-egl-wayland.so.1 [19:50] bbl guys sleeptime [20:35] Hi, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to conclude from that link [20:36] Bashing-om, read through it and it looked like a lot of people with Intel/Nvidia graphics laptops are having issues [20:37] I think issues with laptop graphics is a 'special case' - meaning that it's a different can of worms to deal with...:) [20:37] I was mostly wondering about one gpu in a desktop and in that link, someone says nvidia and xorg - you still have problems [20:37] petro: what shows : lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' . See if you can run the 390 version driver . [20:43] Bashing-om, how can I show you? pastebin? [20:44] petro: try as : lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' | nc termbin.com 9999 . [20:46] petro: Yhis channek os not for support, however... #ubuntu channel ? [20:46] Bashing-om, http://termbin.com/ukcku [20:46] this channel is not. [21:03] petro: See my repsonse in #ubuntu channel . [21:11] * Bashing-om away from the keyboard for a spell . [21:46] poor tomreyn [21:47] :) [21:47] i've chosen this path, my karma will grow [21:48] or maybe i'll burst up in flames at some point [21:48] Bashing-om, oh, I thought you were going to evaluate whether it would work with wayland :) [21:49] tomreyn: I cannot fathom how when you give exact commands someone can repeatedly mess them up by leaving out spaces and so on! [21:51] TJ-: well i misspell things on the chat and on the command line all the time. but at least on the command line i double check them before hitting enter. [21:51] maybe some time i'll grow up enough to also do that on IRC. ;-) [21:53] I'm on about the user you're giving commands to - seems like several times now they've ommitted and queried spaces [21:55] been there, done that :) [22:05] tomreyn: if it turns out apt has been replaced with the PPA package, I suggest we refuse additional support. The user has made this a non-Ubuntu system [22:06] lang time i have seen such creative ppa [22:06] c/long [22:06] the ppa description says it just makes backports available earlier, but i guess that's kind of fatal [22:07] and user knows not about using this ppa :-/ [22:07] petro: /me back to work :) [22:07] Right, if a user doesn't know the implications and replaces core packages, we can't support that [22:07] oh what surprises him now is that he gets different urls returned [22:08] yes i agree, will recommend reinstall then [22:08] "dirk-computer42" a name you can trust [22:08] there you go, apt has been replaced [22:16] good thinking indeed [22:16] there are so many exciting ways to hose your system. [22:16] sometimes I wish systems would hose their users :D [22:30] tomreyn: I'm wondering if the user is having vision problems (possibly a very small font or eyesight). might be worth putting 2 spaces instead of 1 === leftyfb_ is now known as leftyfb [22:31]