| chang | j | 03:02 |
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| chang | hello | 03:03 |
| chang | quit | 03:07 |
| leoren | someone online? | 07:02 |
| alkisg | !ask | 07:06 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 07:06 |
| TechChristoph | has ubuntu still amazon on it | 12:35 |
| TechChristoph | because richard stallman sayd pieces of ubuntu ist spyware | 12:35 |
| TechChristoph | i don't know if is true or not | 12:36 |
| alkisg | Amazon is a shop. Ads are not spyware. | 12:36 |
| alkisg | And no, mate doesn't have it | 12:36 |
| alkisg | If you want to ask about ubuntu instead of ubuntu-mate, go to #ubuntu | 12:37 |
| TechChristoph | thats good | 12:37 |
| TechChristoph | if have ubuntu-mate :) | 12:37 |
| alkisg | Ads are good, they pay developers | 12:37 |
| alkisg | If developers don't get paid, we have bad software | 12:37 |
| TechChristoph | i love free software | 12:37 |
| alkisg | Free doesn't mean unpaid | 12:37 |
| alkisg | Devs do have to eat | 12:37 |
| TechChristoph | i know | 12:37 |
| alkisg | They can't eat air | 12:38 |
| TechChristoph | but i as a user should have to install wat i want | 12:38 |
| TechChristoph | not what the developer want me to install | 12:38 |
| alkisg | Go to google play store; there are a million ad-supported aplications there | 12:40 |
| alkisg | There, you have to see the ads to use the software | 12:40 |
| alkisg | It's not a bad model | 12:40 |
| TechChristoph | yes thats a better model | 12:40 |
| alkisg | Yeah amazon in ubuntu is the same | 12:41 |
| TechChristoph | ok | 12:41 |
| alkisg | A bit better, because it allows you to remove the ads | 12:41 |
| TechChristoph | but if i search in ubuntu, the search term will be sent so amazon | 12:41 |
| TechChristoph | i that's what i don't want | 12:42 |
| alkisg | And if you search in firefox, it goes to google | 12:42 |
| TechChristoph | i add noscript | 12:42 |
| alkisg | And? | 12:42 |
| alkisg | You're not using google? | 12:42 |
| TechChristoph | no | 12:42 |
| alkisg | What are you using? | 12:42 |
| TechChristoph | duckduckgo | 12:42 |
| alkisg | Eh, whatever | 12:43 |
| alkisg | Sending searches and statistics is more important than being anonymous | 12:43 |
| alkisg | Otherwise search engines wouldn't work | 12:43 |
| TechChristoph | https://duckduckgo.com/ | 12:43 |
| alkisg | Yeah I know it | 12:43 |
| alkisg | They are not a search engine | 12:44 |
| alkisg | They use other people's work | 12:44 |
| alkisg | It's like me doing charity using your money | 12:44 |
| TechChristoph | but i as a user should have the freedom to install things or not | 12:44 |
| alkisg | Only if you pay for them | 12:44 |
| alkisg | If not, you do whatever the developer wants, because he did the work | 12:44 |
| alkisg | As a user, you only have power if you pay | 12:44 |
| alkisg | Or if you develop | 12:44 |
| TechChristoph | well if i have to pay i programm it on my own | 12:45 |
| TechChristoph | and make it free to others | 12:45 |
| TechChristoph | so others don't have to pay too | 12:45 |
| alkisg | Cool, although it's bilions of hours of work | 12:57 |
| alkisg | It would take you a million lifes to do all of it | 12:57 |
| alkisg | And I don't know what you would be eating while giving away your software for free :) | 12:58 |
| TechChristoph | i have a job | 13:06 |
| TechChristoph | so developing is my hobby | 13:06 |
| alkisg | Right, if you want low-quality software, you can take software from hobbyists | 13:21 |
| alkisg | But if you want high quality software from professionals, they need to get paid | 13:22 |
| alkisg | Even just maintaining (not developing) a software may take 8 hours of work per day; you can't do that as a hobbyist | 13:24 |
| === flexiondotorg is now known as wimpress | ||
| === wimpress is now known as Wimpress | ||
| === Wimpress is now known as wimpress | ||
| === wimpress is now known as Wimpress | ||
| TechChristoph | oh alkisg there are hobbyist who are developing good software | 13:43 |
| alkisg | TechChristoph: can you name a good software that is developed by hobbyists? | 13:44 |
| TechChristoph | shure linux | 13:44 |
| alkisg | Like, wikipedia, mozilla, libreoffice, apache? | 13:44 |
| alkisg | I've never heard of that, where is their code? | 13:44 |
| TechChristoph | Linux you never heard of the linux kernel ? | 13:44 |
| alkisg | If you mean the linux kernel, it's developed by professionals | 13:44 |
| alkisg | Thousands of developers that get paid to work on millions of lines of code | 13:45 |
| alkisg | Working on intel, redhat etc etc | 13:45 |
| TechChristoph | but in the beginning linus was a hobbyist | 13:45 |
| alkisg | So NOOO they're not hobbyists | 13:45 |
| alkisg | Yes, and in the beginning it was not good software | 13:45 |
| alkisg | It was just a student practise software | 13:45 |
| === Wimpress is now known as flexiondotorg | ||
| === flexiondotorg is now known as Wimpress | ||
| TechChristoph | every projects starts from someting | 14:02 |
| TechChristoph | or something | 14:02 |
| TechChristoph | or somewhere | 14:04 |
| alkisg | Yes, bad software starts from hobbyists, and good software is maintained by professionals. | 14:08 |
| alkisg | Me, I prefer to use good software. | 14:08 |
| Wimpress | alkisg: Not my change of nick. | 14:12 |
| Wimpress | I mean, notes my change of nick :-) | 14:12 |
| TechChristoph | ok | 14:18 |
| TechChristoph | well then | 14:18 |
| alkisg | Wimpress: much better, this one! Thanks for the ping :) | 14:30 |
| edwin | hire kann man jemand deutsch sprachen ? | 18:16 |
| diogenes_ | !de | edwin | 18:17 |
| ubottu | edwin: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! | 18:17 |
| vlt | edwin jedenfalls schonmal nicht. | 18:32 |
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