[03:02] <chang> j
[03:03] <chang> hello
[03:07] <chang> quit
[07:02] <leoren> someone online?
[07:06] <alkisg> !ask
[12:35] <TechChristoph> has ubuntu still amazon on it
[12:35] <TechChristoph> because richard stallman sayd pieces of ubuntu ist spyware
[12:36] <TechChristoph> i don't know if is true or not
[12:36] <alkisg> Amazon is a shop. Ads are not spyware.
[12:36] <alkisg> And no, mate doesn't have it
[12:37] <alkisg> If you want to ask about ubuntu instead of ubuntu-mate, go to #ubuntu
[12:37] <TechChristoph> thats good
[12:37] <TechChristoph> if have ubuntu-mate :)
[12:37] <alkisg> Ads are good, they pay developers
[12:37] <alkisg> If developers don't get paid, we have bad software
[12:37] <TechChristoph> i love free software
[12:37] <alkisg> Free doesn't mean unpaid
[12:37] <alkisg> Devs do have to eat
[12:37] <TechChristoph> i know
[12:38] <alkisg> They can't eat air
[12:38] <TechChristoph> but i as a user should have to install wat i want
[12:38] <TechChristoph> not what the developer want me to install
[12:40] <alkisg> Go to google play store; there are a million ad-supported aplications there
[12:40] <alkisg> There, you have to see the ads to use the software
[12:40] <alkisg> It's not a bad model
[12:40] <TechChristoph> yes thats a better model
[12:41] <alkisg> Yeah amazon in ubuntu is the same
[12:41] <TechChristoph> ok
[12:41] <alkisg> A bit better, because it allows you to remove the ads
[12:41] <TechChristoph> but if i search in ubuntu, the search term will be sent so amazon
[12:42] <TechChristoph> i that's what i don't want
[12:42] <alkisg> And if you search in firefox, it goes to google
[12:42] <TechChristoph> i add noscript
[12:42] <alkisg> And?
[12:42] <alkisg> You're not using google?
[12:42] <TechChristoph> no
[12:42] <alkisg> What are you using?
[12:42] <TechChristoph> duckduckgo
[12:43] <alkisg> Eh, whatever
[12:43] <alkisg> Sending searches and statistics is more important than being anonymous
[12:43] <alkisg> Otherwise search engines wouldn't work
[12:43] <TechChristoph> https://duckduckgo.com/
[12:43] <alkisg> Yeah I know it
[12:44] <alkisg> They are not a search engine
[12:44] <alkisg> They use other people's work
[12:44] <alkisg> It's like me doing charity using your money
[12:44] <TechChristoph> but i as a user should have the freedom to install things or not
[12:44] <alkisg> Only if you pay for them
[12:44] <alkisg> If not, you do whatever the developer wants, because he did the work
[12:44] <alkisg> As a user, you only have power if you pay
[12:44] <alkisg> Or if you develop
[12:45] <TechChristoph> well if i have to pay i programm it on my own
[12:45] <TechChristoph> and make it free to others
[12:45] <TechChristoph> so others don't have to pay too
[12:57] <alkisg> Cool, although it's bilions of hours of work
[12:57] <alkisg> It would take you a million lifes to do all of it
[12:58] <alkisg> And I don't know what you would be eating while giving away your software for free :)
[13:06] <TechChristoph> i have a job
[13:06] <TechChristoph> so developing is my hobby
[13:21] <alkisg> Right, if you want low-quality software, you can take software from hobbyists
[13:22] <alkisg> But if you want high quality software from professionals, they need to get paid
[13:24] <alkisg> Even just maintaining (not developing) a software may take 8 hours of work per day; you can't do that as a hobbyist
[13:43] <TechChristoph> oh alkisg there are hobbyist who are developing good software
[13:44] <alkisg> TechChristoph: can you name a good software that is developed by hobbyists?
[13:44] <TechChristoph> shure linux
[13:44] <alkisg> Like, wikipedia, mozilla, libreoffice, apache?
[13:44] <alkisg> I've never heard of that, where is their code?
[13:44] <TechChristoph> Linux you never heard of the linux kernel ?
[13:44] <alkisg> If you mean the linux kernel, it's developed by professionals
[13:45] <alkisg> Thousands of developers that get paid to work on millions of lines of code
[13:45] <alkisg> Working on intel, redhat etc etc
[13:45] <TechChristoph> but in the beginning linus was a hobbyist
[13:45] <alkisg> So NOOO they're not hobbyists
[13:45] <alkisg> Yes, and in the beginning it was not good software
[13:45] <alkisg> It was just a student practise software
[14:02] <TechChristoph> every projects starts from someting
[14:02] <TechChristoph> or something
[14:04] <TechChristoph> or somewhere
[14:08] <alkisg> Yes, bad software starts from hobbyists, and good software is maintained by professionals.
[14:08] <alkisg> Me, I prefer to use good software.
[14:12] <Wimpress> alkisg: Not my change of nick.
[14:12] <Wimpress> I mean, notes my change of nick :-)
[14:18] <TechChristoph> ok
[14:18] <TechChristoph> well then
[14:30] <alkisg> Wimpress: much better, this one! Thanks for the ping :)
[18:16] <edwin> hire kann man jemand deutsch sprachen ?
[18:17] <diogenes_> !de | edwin
[18:32] <vlt> edwin jedenfalls schonmal nicht.