[00:00] <TJ-> pete: so let's find out what's installed: "pastebinit <( apt list --installed nvidia* )"
[00:06] <TJ-> pete: looks like you've got nvidia-384.111 from the ubuntu archive but 384.130 from the graphics-drivers PPA
[00:07] <pete> TJ-: yeah
[00:07] <pete> TJ-:  I don't know how that happened :(
[00:07] <pete> I guess I should have paid more attention to what is being installed?  How do I fix this?
[00:07] <pete> it's called API mismatch?
[00:08] <TJ-> pete:  "pastebinit <( apt list --installed nvidia* )"
[00:09] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6qpVtDbdKP/
[00:11] <TJ-> pete: it looks OK now, I think the apt upgrade earlier solved the mismatch but we need to double-check the actual files are correct, and I think we should remove nvidia-375 - unless you know of a reason to keep it?
[00:11] <pete> TJ-:  I think nvidia 387 or thereabouts is the current stable driver in linux?   384 should be okay, in theory?
[00:12] <TJ-> pete: actually, the nvidia-375 has the same version as nvidia-384 so maybe not
[00:13] <TJ-> pete: hmmm, lets find out what's in that package. "pastebinit <( dpkg -L nvidia-375 )"
[00:13] <Guest41072> Can anyone help me with Ubuntu 17.10 crashing randomly for me? I'm pretty new to Linux and have no idea what to do.
[00:14] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XMmsdBxpqz/
[00:14] <yeats> Guest41072: can you provide specifics about what's happening?
[00:14] <pete> I can't look at these links :-/   this browser is sick
[00:15] <TJ-> pete: consider yourself lucky; I think reading logs is the first sign of insanity !
[00:15] <pete> i clicked something so I can use chrome, too
[00:15] <TJ-> pete: oh good, that package is just a place-holder, nothing important in it, so we'll leave it
[00:15] <pete> I can read them now
[00:16] <pete> TJ-:  okay
[00:16] <TJ-> pete: I want to check the kernel module is OK too. "pastebinit <( dkms status )"
[00:17] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XC93hFtRSN/
[00:18] <Guest41072> pete: When I use demanding applications or if I idle, the system just stops. I can sometimes still see picture, but nothing moves. The processing light on my PC goes completely off and doesn't even blink.
[00:19] <TJ-> pete: one last paste then we can unwind everything so you can reboot and test. "pastebinit <( apt list --installed linux-image* )"
[00:21] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zpjbMPZpnC/
[00:21] <pete> TJ-: sorry for the delay
[00:21] <pete> I am wondering about drivers.... ubuntu puts theirs in ppa?  but, they are slightly older than the official
[00:22] <TJ-> pete: let's clean up the kernels whilst we are here. "apt autoremove"
[00:22] <TJ-> pete: other way around, version in graphics-drivers PPA is slightly newer than those in the archive
[00:23] <Bashing-om> pete: Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package.
[00:23] <Sven_vB> Guest41072, as a start, please choose a nickname whose first few chars are more unique so we can more easily address you. :) as for the crashes, I'd test whether they occurr in memtest86+, too.
[00:24] <Sven_vB> or some other very simple program that has few things running that could interact badly with each other
[00:25] <pete> progress at 89%...
[00:25] <weedoe> Ok, changed. I'll try that
[00:25] <TJ-> pete: once that's done, let's unwind: "umount -a" (ignore any error messages) then "exit" back to the host, then "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev sys proc; do sudo umount /target/$n; done; sudo umount /target; sudo rmdir /target"
[00:25] <pete> TJ-: completed
[00:26] <pete> TJ-: output:   "umount: /dev: target is busy."
[00:27] <TJ-> pete: ah well, it won't hurt. Now start a reboot and test !
[00:27] <pete> TJ-:  do you mean skip the rest?
[00:28] <TJ-> pete: maybe do "sync" although that isn't necessary... just start a GUI-initiated reboot so everything is stopped in an orderly fashion
[00:29] <pete> skip sync then?
[00:30] <TJ-> pete: yeah, reboot and test, I'm sure it'll be OK
[00:30] <pete> TJ-: okay
[00:30] <pete> I understood some of that but not all
[00:30] <pete> TJ-:   I'll try rebooting in sda3
[00:30] <pete> brb
[00:35] <storm__> hello everyone
[00:36] <storm__> can anyone help and give some information about dhcpv6
[00:37] <storm__> configration
[00:46] <avantgardist> hello :)
[00:47] <avantgardist> how's it going?
[00:47] <leftyfb> avantgardist: can we help you with something?
[00:49] <pete> TJ-: hello?
[00:49] <TJ-> pete:
[00:49] <pete> TJ-: I still have the original problem :(
[00:49] <avantgardist> nope, but i want to talk something like gnu/linux or something else
[00:49] <pete> screen flickers on boot up
[00:49] <leftyfb> avantgardist: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:49] <TJ-> pete:  can it log-in to the user, does the flicker continue then?
[00:49] <pete> on screen section:  sda3 recovering journal....something like that
[00:50] <pete> but at /dev/sda3 clean, etc... it flickers constantly
[00:50] <pete> it doesn't get to the user?
[00:51] <TJ-> pete: Everything we saw in the chroot said it was OK once we matched the nvidia module version
[00:51] <TJ-> pete: are you in the Kubuntu OS again now?
[00:54] <dajova> howdy
[00:54] <pete> TJ-:  yes.... it's the only OS I can get a gui and use irc
[00:54] <pete> sda2 might work, too.... not sure
[00:55] <pete> I came across this although it might not apply....
[00:55] <pete> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1705369
[00:55] <pete> It just seems gnome 3, ubuntu 17.10 and nvidia drivers are just one big mess that doesn't work?
[00:57] <Bashing-om> pete: TJ- Are you in the wayland session ? or Xorg for 17.10 install ?
[00:57] <pete> Xorg
[00:57] <pete> Wayland won't work
[00:58] <pete> maybe I should remove the 384 driver and use 375?
[00:58] <pete> i dunno
[00:58] <pete> TJ-: I thought the logs showed I was using 384.111 in March or something?
[00:59] <TJ-> pete: nvidia-384.130 from the graphics-drivers PPA
[00:59] <TJ-> pete: shall we fire up the chroot again ?
[00:59] <pete> sure
[00:59] <TJ-> pete: I've just read that bug you linked; it's specific to a system with 2 GPUs. Does your PC have an integrated Intel GPU as well as the Nvidia GPU?
[01:01] <pete> pete: no
[01:02] <pete> TJ-: no
[01:02] <pete> TJ-:  I didn't mean to imply it matched my system
[01:02] <myraft> hey guys - having lots of problems with 16.04 LTS on desktop . Really slow to get updates and anything command line that fetches informations e.g. download Ruby gems.
[01:02] <TJ-> pete: let's get the chroot up again and check the logs
[01:02] <pete> I just think it might be something to do with nvidia and the ubuntu version?
[01:03] <pete> I have a nvidia card - GTX 750 - it was listed within the logs
[01:03] <myraft> seems like certs - because it times out when trying to contact rubygems.org
[01:03] <myraft> but works from browser
[01:03] <TJ-> pete: "sudo mkdir /target; sudo mount /dev/sda3 /target"      then do "pastebinit <( tail -n 1500 /target/var/log/kern.log; cat /target/var/log/Xorg.*.log )"
[01:06] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tN4jxrcnBt/
[01:07] <wyseguy> looking to pick up a laptop, looking for a few recommendations. I've heard great things about the older thinkpads but would like a bit of newer technology. It will be a in the field work computer, I do IT work in data centers, on scissor lifts for wifi installations, curious about pen testing (not sure if i should run vm's for this or dual boot, and overall good laptop. I did try an xps 13 and walked away after 2 seconds when my thumb resting on
[01:07] <wyseguy>  the trackpad caused the mouse to go nuts. Ideas?
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> wyseguy, that is a question better asked in /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:08] <wyseguy> pragmaticenigma ah thanks@
[01:08] <wyseguy> !*
[01:08] <wyseguy> and im happy for the tab key with your nick lol
[01:09] <TJ-> pete: what's your local time right now so I can correlate the last boot correctly
[01:09] <wyseguy> sry, figured it would be on topic as it's looking for an ubuntu laptop :)
[01:09] <myraft1> anyone who can help with "maybe" CERTS or resolv issue
[01:10] <myraft1> not sure what causing my command line to get ruby gems to timeout , and the ubuntu updates are really really slow
[01:10] <pete> TJ-:  9:10 pm = 21:10
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> wyseguy, this room is meant for support questions related to the operation of ubuntu. What you're asking is more of a conversational topic which is better suited for the offtopic room
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | myraft1
[01:11] <wyseguy> pragmaticenigma got it
[01:12] <TJ-> pete: the last Xorg log started at Fri Apr  6 20:46:24 2018 so that is about correct. kernel is still complaining about a version mismatch. The only way that could be happening is if a module has been left behind when it should have been removed so we need to search
[01:13] <TJ-> pete: so... "pastebinit <( find /target/lib/modules/ -name 'nvidia*' -ls )"
[01:13] <jsclimb> can anyone help me delete a user name, I'm using 16.04
[01:13] <konimex> jsclimb: userdel?
[01:14] <kliwon> jsclimb, userdel usernametobedelete
[01:14] <jsclimb> that's not working
[01:14] <myraft1> @pragmaticenigma: will wait
[01:14] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kgYfs3Qczb/
[01:14] <konimex> did you use sudo?
[01:15] <jsclimb> konimex, I tried, but I'm not very terminal literate...
[01:16] <konimex> ah.. i forgot about the gui way but it should be somewhere in user accounts in system settings
[01:18] <jsclimb> when I try "sudo userdel nametobedeleted" it asks for my password, then it says "sorry try again" and I go round and round
[01:18] <V7> Hey all
[01:18] <V7> An issue with touchpad still exists
[01:18] <V7> The question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1022648/suddenly-touchpad-of-x201-has-just-stopped-working
[01:18] <pete> TJ-:  what about the purge nvidia command?  I think maybe purge all nvidia stuff ...and re-install ?   I can't think of any other idea...
[01:18] <TJ-> pete: I think we need to cause DKMS to rebuild/reinstall the nvidia-384.ko module and supporting bits. I suspect the wrong minor version is still installed. Let's check that first. "pastebinit <( modinfo /target/lib/modules/4.13.0-38-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_384.ko )"
[01:18] <pete> TJ-:  I'm not sure of the right syntax for that, though
[01:18] <jsclimb> lol my new gf is sick of seeing the old gf's name.... I'm screwed :)
[01:18] <TJ-> pete: that's a sledgehammer to crack a nut!
[01:19] <V7> I've already asked #kde and #kde-neon, but they say this is not #kde related. Strange.
[01:19] <V7> Also I've asked the question on their forum, but after 1 day, no reply. Also, as you could see, the stack's overflow, 5 hours, no reply, too.
[01:19] <V7> Could anyone help with this one.
[01:19] <jsclimb> started in settings/user accounts, couldn't do it there either
[01:19] <pete> TJ-: okay :)
[01:19] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4w8YKT8qGD/
[01:19] <pragmaticenigma> V7, cross posting is against our community guidelines
[01:20] <V7> pragmaticenigma: This is not crossposting
[01:20] <jsclimb> konimex, thanks for your advise, though
[01:20] <V7> #linux has different converation right now and I've waited about 10 minutes
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> V7, you just said you posted in several different channels. You will need to be patient and wait your turn for someone to help.
[01:21] <TJ-> pete: are you 100% sure you're booting sda3? The kernel module there is the correct one: "version:        384.130"
[01:21] <V7> pragmaticenigma: what ?
[01:21] <V7> pragmaticenigma: Do you know how to help ??
[01:21] <TJ-> pete: but the kernel log is full of "NVRM: this kernel module has the version 384.111"
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> V7, KDE is correct, it's not an issue with the KDE/Plasma, It's your X server configuration that has an issue. I do not know how to fix ut
[01:22] <V7> So, the xorg suddenly broke itself ?
[01:22] <V7> The magic ?
[01:22] <jsclimb> gawd I'm dumb... I got it, in the settings gui...... there's a + and - sign I was too dull to see
[01:23] <TJ-> pete: Oh! it's not booting the latest kernel!! Maybe the older kernel has the older module. What does this show? "pastebinit <( modinfo /target/lib/modules/4.13.0-32-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_384.ko ) "
[01:23] <pete> TJ-:  the blinking screen stops at sda3: clean, etc. etc.
[01:23] <jsclimb> you people are awesome, I dunno what I'd do without y'all
[01:24] <TJ-> pete: the system should always boot the most recent kernel by default, so we need to investigate why that isn't happening, and fix it.
[01:24] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2yXQSTJGkN/
[01:25] <TJ-> pete: that's also .130 ! Something is really screwy here, I really don't think we are looking at the correct root file-system!
[01:26] <TJ-> pete: the logs say we are but that kernel log is lying big style
[01:26] <myraft_> so hate to bug folks -
[01:26] <myraft_> any takers on slow resolve or CERT issue
[01:26] <myraft_> Not sure what is causing super slow down ?
[01:27] <pete> TJ-:  I'm confused then
[01:27] <TJ-> pete: more info to collect: "pastebinit <( modinfo /target/lib/modules/4.13.0-32-generic/updates/dkms/*.ko )"
[01:27] <pete> TJ-:  maybe grub didn't update?   so, it didn't load the right kernel?
[01:28] <TJ-> pete: I'm trying to find anything kernel-nvidia related that claims to be version .111
[01:28] <V7> pragmaticenigma: So, you just recommend reinstall the whole system ?
[01:28] <TJ-> pete: could be, but the module versions so far are correct
[01:28] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xt9CBbd44Y/
[01:29] <pete> TJ-:  I honestly thought you were doing that :)
[01:29] <TJ-> pete: only the primary modules, there are some supporting modules that /might/ be out of step
[01:31] <TJ-> pete: those are all 384.130 which is what we want
[01:33] <pete> how do i run commands for sda3?
[01:38] <TJ-> pete: we are on sda3
[01:39] <TJ-> pete: let's create the chroot so we can check all the packages. "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[01:39] <pete> I tried the command:  dmesg | grep NVRM
[01:39] <weedoe> can someone please help me with ubuntu 17.10 crashing?
[01:39] <pete> TJ-:  but, it gave output for sda6
[01:40] <TJ-> pete: yes, of course. dmesg reads the current running kernel's log from memory
[01:41] <pete> I ran that in quotes
[01:41] <pete> TJ-: ?
[01:43] <TJ-> pete: OK, so now "sudo chroot /target"
[01:44] <pete> TJ-: done...
[01:44] <TJ-> pete: then "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/vmlinuz* /boot/initrd.img*; df -h; cat /etc/default/grub /boot/grub/grub.cfg; apt list --installed '*nvidia*' )"
[01:45] <TJ-> pete: you've got the "#" shell prompt now I hope?
[01:45] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FdxvzNvgRQ/
[01:45] <pete> TJ-: yep
[01:46] <endersending> Anyone use osnexus (quantastor)
[01:47] <endersending> It's been a PITA to use, zpool renames, pools always busy so you can't unmount
[01:47] <fishcooker> i have issue with crappy F5 button ... i solve the problem with $ xmodmap -e 'keycode 71='... should i create service systemd for disabling the button input after the box up and running?
[01:47] <TJ-> pete: .... when you boot do access a GRUB boot menu to select which OS to boot, or does it boot the default?
[01:47] <endersending> Is it worth using for the pretty UI, or should I just stick to a normal distro and roll my own storage server
[01:48] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, do you have a support question related to Ubuntu?
[01:48] <pete> TJ-:  goes to grub boot menu but if I don't choose a selection, it boots the default
[01:49] <pete> TJ-:  I think that is
[01:49] <pete> the default is sda2
[01:49] <TJ-> pete: then it isn't using the GRUB I'm looking at
[01:49] <endersending> Osnexus is based on ubuntu
[01:49] <TJ-> pete: so the boot entry it's using is from some other install
[01:49] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, but it is not Ubuntu... we do not support derived distros here. Only Ubuntu's official version are supported.
[01:50] <TJ-> pete: This explains everything!
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, just as the debian channel will tell you they do not support Ubuntu, even though Ubuntu is derived from Debian
[01:50] <pete> TJ-:  that's good if you know :)
[01:50] <endersending> Or is this like every other channel where the OPs tell you to move along because if it's not supported by X, you can't ask here
[01:50] <pete> grub still confuses me :-/
[01:51] <TJ-> pete: the booted kernel is reported as "Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-32-generic" but the latest version is 4.13.0.38
[01:51] <endersending> So if I re compile my kernel is it no longer supported?
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, You're welcome to ask the question in /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:51] <pete> TJ-: oh
[01:51] <endersending> Why can he talk about grub ?
[01:51] <TJ-> pete: so because you've got multiple Linux OS installed, another of them has taken over the boot-time selection
[01:51] <endersending> Shouldn't he ask in #grub?
[01:52] <TJ-> pete: so whilst this one is fine, the actual boot files are somewhere else!
[01:52] <pragmaticenigma> endersending, this is a support channel, do you have a question about Ubuntu? if not, please /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:52] <pete> TJ-: okay...so this is easy to fix?
[01:53] <TJ-> pete: and that other version is loading nvidia-384.111 but when it gets into the 17.10 root file-system, where we have installed the nvidia-384.130 packages, we get this error
[01:53] <TJ-> pete: it should be now I know what's going on!
[01:53] <pete> TJ-:  I think it's when I upgrade the OS and/or the kernel.... I am confused where to install grub
[01:53] <pete> where to update it
[01:53] <TJ-> pete: 1st we find which OS's GRUB is the master, then we find the files being used, then we figure out how to keep it in sync
[01:54] <pete> TJ-:  my guess is sda2 OS
[01:54] <TJ-> pete: each Linux OS has it's own GRUB files in its root file-system, but there's only one GRUB boot-strap on the MBR disk format, so I'm guessing that the last Linux OS you installed is the one that is 'master'
[01:55] <pete> TJ-: really?
[01:55] <pete> Oh ok
[01:55] <TJ-> pete: was sda2 the last one, or sda6 ?
[01:55] <pete> sda6, I think
[01:55] <pete> sda2 was the first one after windows
[01:55] <TJ-> pete: we best check. "exit" to leave the chroot
[01:55] <pete> done
[01:56] <pete> 'each Linux OS has it's own GRUB files in its root file-system' - I knew this
[01:56] <TJ-> pete: then "pastebinit <( apt list --installed linux-image* *nvidia* ; ls -latr /boot/ )"
[01:56] <pete> TJ-:  but, I always pause when asked to update /install grub in mbr or the partition
[01:56] <TJ-> pete: but only one can be master, so the other 2 will be out of date :)
[01:57] <pete> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DySWwgxwPq/
[01:57]  * TJ- needs another string drink ... it's almost 3am here!
[01:59] <pete> TJ-: sda6?
[01:59] <pete> TJ-:  can I ask where's there? :)
[01:59] <pete> TJ-:  do you drink coffee? :)
[02:00] <TJ-> pete: England. Coffee early, Tea later :)
[02:00] <pete> TJ-: good choice(s) :)
[02:01] <TJ-> pete: need to see the grub config: "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[02:01] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wGBf9H2Wz8/
[02:05] <TJ-> pete: I almost thought that was it but it doesn't have 4.13.0-32 on it! So on we go: "pastebinit /target/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[02:07] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gp7z376ZC8/
[02:08] <TJ-> pete: when you boot 17.10 do you select from GRUB the entry "Ubuntu 17.10 (17.10) (on /dev/sdb3)"
[02:08] <pete> TJ-: I didn't think so
[02:08] <pete> this is confusing :(
[02:09] <pete> TJ-:  I have to remember now :-/
[02:09] <pete> TJ-:  I choose sda3
[02:09] <TJ-> pete: we've not found the correct grub.cfg so far! so: "sudo mkdir /target_sda2; sudo mount /dev/sda2 /target_sdsa2"
[02:09] <pete> It was originally 17.04 and I upgraded it to 17.10
[02:10] <TJ-> pete: then lets look at " pastebinit /target_sda2/boot/grub/grub.cfg "
[02:12] <pete> TJ-: -> Unable to read from: /target_sda2/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:12] <TJ-> pete: damn, typo in the first command, let'sredo it
[02:12] <TJ-> pete: damn, typo in the first command, let's redo it: "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /target_sda2"
[02:12] <TJ-> pete: then you can do the pastebinit
[02:13] <pete> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wSbFSqJmy7/
[02:15] <TJ-> pete: Finally! We found it, it is sda2 that's the master
[02:15] <pete> TJ-:  I think that is what I see in the menu
[02:16] <TJ-> pete:  menuentry 'Ubuntu 17.10 (17.10) (on /dev/sda3)'
[02:16] <pete> TJ-:  yeah
[02:16] <TJ-> pete: right.... which one of the se 3 is going to be your primary OS ?
[02:16] <TJ-> pete: whichever it is we need to set it to control the master GRUB
[02:17] <TJ-> pete: if it's 17.10 sda3 then we need to use it to reinstall GRUB so it takes over control and keeps up to date
[02:18] <pete> TJ-: it is now....  I have kept that OS up to date the most.... installed the most programs on it etc.
[02:18] <pete> sda2 was the original - I didn't want to mess it up so I started using other partitions/operating systems
[02:18] <TJ-> pete: so, shall we set it as master so it doesn't suffer? otherwise every time you have a kernel update in 17.10 sda3, you'll have to reboot into sda2 and run update-grub!
[02:19] <pete> TJ-:  that sounds familiar ... I think I was doing that...maybe I forgot the last time?
[02:19] <pete> TJ-:  I'll do whatever you suggest :)  whatever makes the most sense :)
[02:19] <TJ-> pete: right. but if sda3 is your workhorse let's make it master!
[02:19] <pete> TJ-:  okay
[02:20] <TJ-> pete: so "sudo umount /target_sda2"
[02:20] <TJ-> pete: then bakc into the chroot: "sudo chroot /target"
[02:20] <TJ-> pete: then (re)install grub: "grub-install /dev/sda; update-grub"
[02:22] <pete> TJ-: okay
[02:22] <TJ-> pete: and from now on, when the PC boots, the first entry on the GRUB menu - the top-most - will be this 17.10 on sda3 - so it will automatically start it after the countdown without you needing to do anythin
[02:22] <TJ-> pete: sda2 and sda6 will be additional entries further down
[02:22] <pete> TJ-:  sounds good
[02:22] <pete> makes sense
[02:22] <TJ-> pete: OK, if those commands have finished we can unwind everything again
[02:23] <pete> TJ-:  the output finished
[02:23] <pete> TJ-:  ready
[02:23] <TJ-> pete: "exit" then "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev sys proc; do sudo umount /target/$n; done"
[02:23] <TJ-> pete: "sudo umount /target"
[02:24] <pete> TJ-: okay - at prompt
[02:24] <TJ-> pete: "sudo rmdir /target_sda2 /target"
[02:24] <Bashing-om> TJ-: pete : As a matter of practice I disable  30_os-prober in my secondary systems .
[02:24] <TJ-> Bashing-om: yeah, that's for another day I think :)
[02:25] <TJ-> pete: and now - and it will work this time - reboot and test :P
[02:25] <pete> TJ-: okay :)
[02:26] <TJ-> Bashing-om: for a report of flickering screen this has been one heck of a diversion and run-around :)
[02:27] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I have been looking over your shoulder - All I can say is Good Sluething :)
[02:28] <TJ-> Bashing-om: thank goodness for logs and text configs - I hate to think of diagnosing something like this in something like Windows
[02:28] <Budgii> anyone use vbox
[02:28] <TJ-> especially remotely... without pastebinit diagnosing this kind of issue would be all but impossible
[02:28] <Budgii> send me a dialogue if so. :)
[02:31] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I tell you the truth - I do not like Windows ( proprietary info and we will not tell you ), I came to linux as open source and no secrets; and YES - we have the tools to work with :P
[02:32] <TJ-> Bashing-om: same here, I wasted far too much of my life trying to reverse engineer Windows bugs, but even if I could identify them, I had no way to fix - Linux is such a joy: find a bug, pull the source, patch, rebuild and done
[02:32] <pete> TJ-, yay! :)
[02:32] <TJ-> pete: :D
[02:32] <TJ-> pete: finally!! I can go to bed for a year now :p
[02:32] <pete> TJ-,  you are an admin wizard... I don't know what I would have done :)
[02:33] <pete> TJ-, lol!
[02:33] <TJ-> pete: as I was just saying to Bashing-om ... thank goodness for text logs and configs and verbose logging
[02:34] <pete> TJ-,  yes
[02:34] <pete> TJ-, I need to learn more commands
[02:34] <Bashing-om> pete: ( and knowing what to read .. and how to read ... huh ?? )
[02:35] <TJ-> pete:  if you are going to experiment do it inside a virtual machine or a container, so you don't break the host OS
[02:35] <pete> Bashing-om, yes, I think so
[02:35] <pete> TJ-, what do you suggest?  Virtual Box?  VMWare?
[02:35] <TJ-> LXD containers are fast to create and easy to work in
[02:36] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, please ask your question in the main channel. It will help others benefit from the support you receive.
[02:36] <pete> TJ-, I'll have to try that
[02:36] <Budgii> pragmaticenigma, Just looking for the full screen option in virtualbox.. not sure it was appropriate here. :)\
[02:36] <TJ-> pete: "apt install lxd"  "lxc launch ubuntu:1804 mycontainername" then "lxc exec mycontainername /bin/bash"  ... you're now inside a full 18.04 'server' CLI just like the chroot earlier
[02:37] <Budgii> #vbox is dead atm
[02:37] <TJ-> oh, another typo
[02:37] <pete> Thank goodness I found TJ on here :)   I googled but no way I would have figured that one out
[02:37] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, are you looking for a keyboard shortcut?
[02:37] <TJ-> pete: "apt install lxd"  "lxc launch ubuntu:18.04 mycontainername" then "lxc exec mycontainername /bin/bash"  ... you're now inside a full 18.04 'server' CLI just like the chroot earlier
[02:37] <Budgii> anything works
[02:37] <pete> Budgii, really?
[02:37] <Budgii> I just can't find seetings pragmaticenigma
[02:37] <pete> I didn't know that
[02:38] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, Host + F toggles full screen
[02:38] <Budgii> pragmaticenigma, thanks!
[02:42] <TJ-> g'night
[02:43] <pete> TJ-, good night and thanks again!
[02:43] <leftyfb> Budgii: I typed "virtualbox fullscreen" into google and the first result gave the same answer pragmaticenigma gave
[02:47] <Bashing-om> pete: Still keep in mind a good idea - in my opinion -  to disable 30_os-prober on your secondaries ' sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober  ' when booted into the secondary .
[02:49] <V7> Does anyone know how to change this feature when physical left click button works only when touchpad is being touched at the same moment with a different finger ?
[02:49] <V7> It just doesn't act left click without other finger on touchpad
[02:49] <cluelessperson> hey guys, for IPV6 wtf are these options,  "Automatic" "Automatic (addresses only)" and "Automatic (DHCP)"
[02:49] <cluelessperson> are any of those SLAAC?
[02:54] <CMEE_fie> Hello, I'm having a little trouble testing lubuntu 18.04 beta2, i thought asking here since there's more people and the issue doesn't seem to be specific of lubuntu
[02:55] <slidinghorn> CMEE_fie check out #ubuntu+1 :)
[02:55] <Menzador> V7 - is the touchpad the only built-in device there is for that sort of input?
[02:55] <CMEE_fie> basically i have two hdd, a toshiba formated with GPT and a WB formated with MBR
[02:55] <Bashing-om> !18.04 | CMEE_fie
[02:55] <CMEE_fie> so no support yet?
[02:56] <Bashing-om> CMEE_fie: support in #ubuntu+1 :)
[02:56] <CMEE_fie> the issue seem related to systemd in general, but im not sure
[02:56] <V7> Menzador: Looks like this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/U69Xp.png
[02:56] <CMEE_fie> oh, thanks
[02:56] <V7> So it has a trackball too
[02:56] <Menzador> Trackball? That looks like a pointing stick
[02:56] <Menzador> I have a Lenovo ThinkPad myself
[02:57] <V7> They call it like a trackball, aren't they ?
[02:58] <Menzador> No, a trackball is a physical ball that you roll around, viz.: https://d107iaxg6vni3j.cloudfront.net/mbank270444_w1400_h1400.jpg
[02:59] <V7> Menzador: https://www.google.ru/search?q=trackball+thinkpad&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2vZLilafaAhUJDOwKHVgUD2UQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=705
[03:00] <V7> Btw, you're right mb
[03:00] <Menzador> Trackballs work in a similar way, but this is a pointing stick, sometimes called a nipple
[03:00] <Menzador> anyway
[03:00] <V7> So, although might be any idea why it could act like that ?
[03:01]  * V7 (really, nipple ...?)
[03:02] <Menzador> V7 - I'm not sure, but it might have to do with the way the touchpad is detected. What model of machine is this?
[03:02] <V7> Also, interesting that left button above touchpad works without any other finger, but above button ( left ) work only with other finger on touchpad
[03:05] <Menzador> V7 - you didn't answer my question... what model?
[03:06] <V7> x201
[03:07] <V7> Sorry, I didn't see the question
[03:22] <V7> Any ideas :) ?
[03:23] <Menzador> V7 - try disabling and re-enabling the touchpad if you can?
[03:23] <V7> Menzador: Did with FN+F8 x2 and the same
[03:24] <Menzador> V7 - Alright, then did you try "turning the whole machine off and on again"?
[03:25] <V7> I'll try right now
[03:25] <V7> Uh, can't right now. Some work is in proces.
[03:25] <V7> process *
[03:25] <V7> About 5~10 mins maybe
[03:32] <mooncakehexchat> much love ubuntu worker/helper bees
[03:33] <CMEE_fie> is there any iso image for ubuntu that doesn't weight more than 250mb? (preferably way less than that). I dont mind text mode
[03:33] <littlebear> CMEE_fie, archlinux is around 300mb, but it's now bloated i think
[03:34] <Bashing-om> !minimal | CMEE_fie
[03:35] <CMEE_fie> great only 58MB. thanks again Bashing-om
[03:36] <Bashing-om> CMEE_fie: NP .. we aim to help . minimal has a learning curve be aware !
[03:36] <CMEE_fie> Bashing-om thanks but i've installed gentoo, this can't be worse
[03:37] <myraft_> @bashing-om:  I need some help
[03:37] <Bashing-om> CMEE_fie: Ir is what you do not know that will bite you ( finding out that "you" have to install- anacron for instance ).
[03:37] <myraft_> My Ubuntu has super slow updates. I am not sure if it is  resolve or CERT issue
[03:38] <Bashing-om> myraft_: Saw your posts earlier . Not to hot myself on networking issues .
[03:38] <myraft_> aye
[03:39] <myraft_> @bashing-om : thanks nevertheless.
[04:03] <zerorax> Hey guys
[04:05] <zerorax> Anyone have experience rolling your own ubuntu variant?
[04:06] <zerorax> I'm doing it to learn how right now, need to do it later for serious for a job
[04:06] <zerorax> Any tips?
[04:09] <NERD-k> Emmm, how to set system font size in the system setting
[04:10] <NERD-k> My computer is 1920*1080 screen, the time display is so small
[04:12] <wyseguy_> time isnt important
[04:13] <wyseguy_> not sure, not in front of an ubuntu desktop
[04:14] <slidinghorn> NERD-k give gnome tweak tool a look    sudo apt install gnome-tweak-tool
[04:14] <NERD-k> OOOK, use TUI
[04:15] <NERD-k> GUI no more
[04:25] <paddy_> Ubuntu recognised my HDMI (and monitor) but doesn't have an output. I've tried all the HDMIs in my house but it still doesn't work
[04:25] <paddy_> How can I fix this?
[04:30] <Kharma> Are you using the volume control panel?
[04:31] <Kharma> Pulse is annoying AF for configuring auto.. no plug and play, on mine anyways
[04:31] <Kharma> audio* = auto
[04:33] <Kharma> paddy_:  ^^
[04:34] <paddy_> Oh lol, no, I do have volume control panel
[04:34] <paddy_> @Kharma
[04:34] <Kharma> paddy_:  right click icon in notification panel, open volume control
[04:35] <Kharma> paddy_:  check through all those tab settings at the top.. get used to that annoyance of a thing lol
[04:36] <Kharma> Also, hover over, hover playback, follow the path. make sure you have audio playing***
[04:36] <paddy_> Oh sorry, output as in video
[04:36] <Kharma> paddy_:  Hard to explain since it's so natural for me now. However as a lover of music, I despise these audio settings
[04:37] <Kharma> paddy_: If you don't have audio playing it might be hard for you to change a settting just FYI
[04:40] <paddy_> Problem: I have my HDMI monitor plugged in and in Settings > Screen Display The Viewsonic HDMI monitor is there. Enabling the Monitor does not produce an output both video and audio. I've used all the HDMI cables in my house so it seems that it's an issue with my Ubuntu install
[04:41] <Kharma> Iswitch between HDMI output, speakers, headphone that are wirded, as well as bluetooth devices multiple times a day for music. EACH. TIME... I have to adjust volume control serttings to get the outputo working right
[04:41] <Kharma> Oh no video either? try mirroring?
[04:41] <Kharma> mirroring*
[04:42] <Kharma> paddy_:  to test try kicking it with mirroring, as well set as primary. See what happen if any
[04:42] <paddy_> The monitor is on and I got an error "failed to apply configuration: %s Timeout was reached"
[04:42] <paddy_> when doing mirroring
[04:43] <paddy_> primary doesn't work either
[04:43] <paddy_> I'm thinking it's a graphics card issue on my laptop but I don't know how to debug that
[04:44] <Kharma> Ok. And you know your cord and the monitor work when plugged to other outputs?
[04:44] <untoreh> how do you use zfs with downstream kernels like xanmod? just install zfs-dkms ?
[04:44] <paddy_> yes, this cord works on my ps3 to the same monitor and I've tried the other HDMIs in the house (5 total) all work on their respective device
[04:45] <paddy_> but not on this laptop
[04:47] <Kharma> paddy_:  I am still learning my way around Linux, I'm going to look at some things.. I thought your vid was working but lacked audio when you first asked, This is different.
[04:47] <paddy_> yeah sure. All good, thanks
[04:47] <Kharma> The laptop port has never worked? or this your first time trying I guesss
[04:48] <paddy_> It used to when I used it (like 5 years ago with windows 7)
[04:48] <paddy_> but pulled it out from storage and doesn't work now
[04:50] <Kharma> Are you using Xfce? if so
[04:50] <Kharma> while we wait.. do.. cat ~/.xsession.errors | pastebinit
[04:50] <Kharma> and post link here so I caan see further
[04:51] <rud0lf> it's .xsession-errors
[04:51] <Kharma> thank you. no idea why it did that
[04:51] <Kharma> cat your xsession to pastebinit\
[04:51] <paddy_> https://pastebin.com/pK4x6scS
[04:51] <paddy_> Unity I think since
[04:57] <Kharma> paddy_:  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1986131   read some suggestions here, you may just need to update drivers too
[04:57] <Kharma> I will keep looking for something more specific to your case paddy_
[04:59] <Kharma> paddy_:  when you plug in the cord, either screen flicker or anything?
[05:01] <paddy_> Nothing flickers, I might try updating drviers. How do I tell what graphics driver I have?
[05:01] <Kharma> laptop model is?
[05:02] <paddy_> Asus u36 Nvidia 610m
[05:02] <paddy_> is there a command to say which ver of drivers I'm at
[05:02] <Kharma> I was just.. going to look
[05:02] <paddy_> ah
[05:02] <Kharma> lol.. new to linux Im not trained to think CLI automatically.
[05:03] <Kharma> I love CLI though..
[05:03] <Kharma> paddy_:  https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwixiPu9safaAhUSQq0KHQosBM0QFgg2MAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D941208&usg=AOvVaw3vrzODGteFwfTzI2MJgWj1
[05:04] <Kharma> Sorry wow. I fail. someone save me
[05:04] <Kharma> fglrxinfo
[05:04] <Bashing-om> paddy_: ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' is one way .
[05:05] <Kharma> paddy_:  another way is sudo lshw -c display
[05:08] <paddy_> lsmod | grep nvidia produced nothing wonder if that means I don't have drivers
[05:09] <Kharma> paddy_:  try sudo lshw -c display    (maybe no nvidia driver is my assumption on that^)
[05:11] <paddy_> https://pastebin.com/TrKW6drd
[05:12] <icliniq> edfdfgdfgd
[05:12] <icliniq> df
[05:12] <icliniq> df
[05:13] <Bashing-om> paddy_: Uh huh .. ya running the nouveau driver vice nvidia :)
[05:13] <paddy_> ah I see that.
[05:13] <paddy_> I don't mind closed software. Should I install the official drivers
[05:14] <paddy_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/481414/install-nvidia-driver-instead-of-nouveau
[05:15] <paddy_> is there anything I should know before doing this?
[05:15] <Bashing-om> paddy_: Happy with nouveau .. leave well enough alone .. running the wayland DE ??-- there are still wrinkles to work out with the nvidia driver .
[05:17] <Bashing-om> paddy_: NO do not do that ! Things have changed .
[05:17] <paddy_> okay
[05:17] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-current xenial
[05:18] <Kharma> https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/55125 paddy_  I am not liable
[05:18] <Bashing-om> paddy_: What release are you running ?
[05:18] <paddy_> 16.04 LTS
[05:20] <Guest1821> Nuevo aca
[05:23] <Bashing-om> paddy_: I am CLI minded ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' If ya want the nvidia driver .
[05:23] <paddy_> nouveau or proprietary?
[05:24] <Guest1821> Hola
[05:25] <Bashing-om> paddy_: your choice I run 384 in 16.04 verry happy .. I run nouveau in 18.04 verry happy .
[05:28] <slidinghorn> Bashing-om if one is going to be doing heavy gaming, is it advisable to use Nvidia over the OS driver?  I would assume that's one spot were going with the manufacturer is preferable
[05:28] <paddy_> Bashing-om: Sorry, if I do the sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall will that install open or closed source drivers?
[05:28] <slidinghorn> paddy_ that's for the closed/proprietary
[05:28] <paddy_> thank you.
[05:29] <Bashing-om> paddy_: that will install the proprietary nvidia driver ,, as the system chooses .. generally the latest .. autoinstall is real smart !
[05:38] <miami2> hi.
[05:39] <miami2> can i upgrade ubuntu 18.04 beta 2 to final release without reinstalling new iso?
[05:39] <Ben64> yes
[05:40] <miami2> how? thanks for help.
[05:40] <Ben64> same way as normal updates
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !final | miami2
[05:42] <miami2> ok.thanks again.
[05:59] <V7> Menzador: rebooting helped
[05:59] <V7> Why ?
[06:06] <insane> Que onda
[06:06] <insane> ¿Esto que es?
[06:06] <insane> ¿Alguien por aqui?
[06:06] <Bashing-om> !es | insane
[06:06] <T-BruceLee> hello, I'm trying to install grub2 bootloader for an older PC onto a floppy disk - which it says it can do, but it keeps failing. can anybody help?
[06:06] <paddy_> given up on the hdmi doesn't seem to be working on the windows partition too so probably a problem with the laptop itself
[06:07] <paddy_> How can I see what buttons are being pushed at a time: I have a xbox one controller that works through bluetooth but when I play stardew valley it keeps scrolling through the inventory
[06:08] <paddy_> want to know if it's a gamepad compatibility issue or just there's a stuck button on the xbox controller
[06:27] <T-BruceLee> how can I install grub to a floppy disk? it's in the installation
[07:53] <s10gopal> system dont enter in grub ,tried bressing f11 and also tried shift method , it is happening after installing custom build kernel
[07:56] <s10gopal> how i can get the details which were printed on my terminl ( system is restarted )
[07:56] <rud0lf> when i enable ufw ($ ufw enable) is it persistent between reboots?
[07:59] <ctc94> hi
[08:00] <ctc94> hi
[08:05] <ducasse> ctc94: hi, do you have an ubuntu question?
[08:05] <s10gopal> ducasse, how to enter to grub ?
[08:06] <slidinghorn> rud0lf - if I'm reading correctly, yes, it should be persistent
[08:06] <ctc94> hi'
[08:07] <alexneudatchin> s10gopal:install grub and reboot
[08:08] <s10gopal> alexneudatchin, grub is already installed , it comes defatut in ubuntu right ?
[08:08] <alexneudatchin> yea
[08:08] <s10gopal> then why it is needed to installed again ?
[08:11] <alexneudatchin> on livedvd default is syslinux
[08:14] <NDx33xsy> hhello
[08:15] <alexneudatchin> if it isn't removed then reboot
[08:45] <Alto> ...
[08:45] <Alto> Testing 123 123 123
[08:45] <Alto> ...
[08:45] <Allanis> Test complete... Successfull.
[08:45] <Alto> Yey!
[08:49] <Skaface82> uh hi
[08:50] <Skaface82> wow I haven't used IRC for like 15 years
[08:50] <Allanis> Welcome back.
[08:51] <Skaface82> thanks :-)
[08:51] <Allanis> We missed you
[08:51] <Skaface82> I thought you would
[08:51] <Allanis> :)
[08:52] <Skaface82> i used to use xchat, but now im using xchat-gnome. I think im getting lazy as I get older
[08:52] <Skaface82> oh no irssi i mean
[08:53] <Allanis> Irssi is the client I use too. Except now, I'm just on my phone.
[08:54] <Allanis> But meh, bouncer. I can connect anywhere anytime any client. Is nice
[08:54] <Skaface82> oh yeah i used to use something like that
[08:55] <Woodpecker> hey all, trying to connect to http://localhost:10011/cb but its giving me connection refused.
[08:55] <Woodpecker> this doesnt usually happen to me. Can anyone else click and see if it works for them?
[08:55] <Skaface82> yeah it was always connected and i would connect to it from my irc client. forgot about that till now
[09:00] <Guest156> HI have a proble after doing a partial upgrade on ubuntu 16.04 have ablank screen how can I rollback before doing the upgrade?
[09:00] <Skaface82> why a partial upgrade? can you finish it?
[09:01] <Guest156> I went to to do a update and it would not allow me to said I had to do a partial upgrade
[09:02] <Guest156> it went throught all the processes then asked to retstart now left with a blank screen
[09:03] <Guest156> also I have tried an early version in the advance grub menu still the same blank screen
[09:04] <Guest156> so how can I roll back to what it was before the upgrade?
[09:05] <Skaface82> im guessing that X isnt starting? see if you can get to a shell? i think its ctrl+alt+F1
[09:06] <Guest156> ok then what
[09:06] <Skaface82> did that work?
[09:07] <Skaface82> you should see a login prompt?
[09:08] <Guest156> i can get into a root shell in advance mode
[09:09] <Skaface82> have you tried manually updating?   apt-get update       apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:09] <Skaface82> ?
[09:09] <Guest156> i.e. recovery mode
[09:10] <EriC^> Guest156: are you able to get grub at all?
[09:11] <Guest156> just trying
[09:11] <EriC^> try holding shift when the pc boots
[09:14] <Guest156>  i am in the recovery mode
[09:15] <EriC^> Guest156: try "start networking"
[09:15] <Guest156> and can get into the root shell i have a wired connection to my router
[09:15] <EriC^> ok, start networking then drop to root shell
[09:16] <Guest156> ok
[09:17] <EriC^> Guest156: try "dpkg --configure -a && apt-get -f install"
[09:18] <Guest156> ok i have started network and now droped into root shell
[09:20] <Guest156> ok done that last command
[09:21] <EriC^^> Guest156: did it do anything?
[09:21] <Guest156> said 0 to upgrade 0 to nely install 0 to remove and 1 not to upgrade
[09:22] <Guest156> it had a lot of failures on the txt when running the command
[09:22] <EriC^^> Guest156: what failures?
[09:23] <EriC^^> Guest156: try "dpkg --configure -a | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link
[09:23] <EriC^^> Guest156: try "dpkg --configure -a 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link
[09:23] <Guest156> past to  where?
[09:24] <Guest156> can i just revert back to before I done the upgrade - roll back?
[09:26] <EriC^^> Guest156: it'll give you a link back with the paste, copy the link here
[09:26] <EriC^^> Guest156: no, there's no easy way to revert back, you have to manually do it
[09:26] <Guest156> how can i do that since i am on a different computer?
[09:27] <Guest156> to the one thats got the problem
[09:27] <Skaface82> would you be better off running the installer again from an up to date install cd?
[09:29] <EriC^^> Guest156: the termbin.com command will give you a link such as termbin.com/1234
[09:29] <EriC^^> just copy the /1234 here
[09:29] <Guest156> well it all workeed ok till trying to do a update forced me to do a partial upgrade it went through the process and afterwards ask to reboot to finish of the upgrade hence after that the blank screen of death!
[09:30] <EriC^^> Guest156: sounds like it's some graphics issue, try booting with "nomodeset" in grub and see which drivers to use or maybe a different kernel
[09:30] <EriC^^> Guest156: run the dpkg | termbin command though so we can see if the package manager is in a good state
[09:33] <Guest156> ok let me try the nomodset first
[09:34] <Guest156> i have got into the grub screen and pressed c
[09:34] <Guest156> and typed in nomodeset
[09:34] <Guest156> comes back cant find command
[09:35] <Skaface82> try   "linux nomodeset"
[09:35] <Skaface82> i could be completely wrong here
[09:35] <Guest156> comes back with invalid for linux nomodeset
[09:36] <Skaface82> hang on a sec
[09:36] <Skaface82> ok on the main boot selection for ubuntu, press e
[09:36] <Skaface82> then find the line that says      linux   sdkjfghsdfjkshdggsadfjkhsdkfhsdkljfh sdajfhsdfj sdhf
[09:37] <Guest156> ok
[09:37] <Skaface82> put nomodeset as an option after that
[09:37] <Skaface82> then ctrl+x
[09:38] <Guest156> how do i scroll up and down?
[09:39] <Skaface82> do the arrows not work?
[09:40] <Allanis> Pg up/dwn
[09:40] <Guest156> ok found how to do that trying to find the line
[09:40] <Allanis> If not try holding curl too
[09:40] <Allanis> Ctrl
[09:41] <Guest156> cant find that line
[09:41] <Skaface82> it will start with the word "linux"
[09:43] <Guest156> cant find anything just starting with linux
[09:44] <Guest156> or with sdkj.....
[09:45] <Skaface82> it should have a line starting with        linux /boot/vmlinux-
[09:45] <Skaface82>  /boot/vmlinuz i mean
[09:45] <Guest156> i think the problem was when the upgrade did not complete and whent to clean the system
[09:46] <Guest156> there are quite a few lines starting with that
[09:47] <Skaface82> https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[09:47] <Skaface82> have a look at that
[09:47] <Guest156> ok thanks
[09:47] <Skaface82> if you get stuck, try doing a google search.... im no linux expert but thats how I get by :-P
[09:48] <Guest156> im will use a bootable ubuntu usb
[09:48] <Guest156> and try and repair
[09:48] <Guest156> or reinstall on another partition
[09:49] <Skaface82> probably easiest way if you fairly new to linux is just to do a reinstall of the latest version
[09:49] <Guest156> i have had issues like this before with ubuntu when it try to do a partial upgrade on early versions clearly it very buggy
[09:50] <Skaface82> cause it seems like something has gone weird half way through an upgrade and im not sure how to help without seeing your computer lol
[09:50] <Guest156> i have been using ubuntu since the very first version came out
[09:50] <EriC^^> Guest156: in grub press 'e' then go down to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ....quiet splash and remove quiet splash and type nomodeset and press F10 to boot
[09:50] <Guest156> all i want to do is roll back the upgrade it can be done just how
[09:51] <Skaface82> you should upgrade if you can cause of the security fixes in the updates
[09:51] <Guest156> how do i edit that line?
[09:52] <EriC^^> ..
[09:52] <survey0r> edit it by pressing e like EriC^^ wrote ;)
[09:55] <Guest156> so with the line  .....ro quite splash &vt_handoff just remove quiet splash and replace with nomodeset ?
[09:55] <Guest156> is there only one line with quite splash ?
[09:56] <mlliee> Hello
[09:56] <mlliee> I've started a VPS today with 16.04, but it is kernel 2.6.x. I've downloaded a new one and installed the packages, but still the old one is booting. How to change?
[09:58] <EriC^^> Guest156: yes
[09:58] <vlt> mlliee: Can you describe how you "started" it? What host OS are you using?
[09:58] <EriC^^> mlliee: you can't, it depends on the provider, it means it's using a kernel that the VPS host is using, check their control panel settings if you can change it or contact them.
[09:59] <Guest156> then press f10 and reboot as normal?
[09:59] <EriC^^> Guest156: after you press F10 it'll just boot using the new settings
[09:59] <EriC^^> (just this one time)
[09:59] <mlliee> EriC^^: Damn it...
[10:00] <EriC^^> mlliee: they might have settings or they can do it for you, or a different VPS package that uses a different approach
[10:01] <mlliee> EriC^^: Didn't find anything. It's version 2.6 which doesn't support docker...
[10:03] <Guest156> pressing f10 takes me back to the grub listing in advance mode i.e. kernel version but does not reboot
[10:04] <Guest156> unless i select and press entry
[10:05] <Guest156> when I do still blank screen
[10:05] <EriC^^> Guest156: try Fn+F10
[10:06] <EriC^^> or ctrl+x
[10:06] <Guest156>  ok i will try but i dont think this will resolve anything
[10:10] <Guest156> still the same and editing the line with no splash is not persistence as it still appears when going back into the grub bash screen
[10:11] <Guest156> I think there is an issues with the kernel
[10:11] <Skaface82> sorry man without seeing your computer, all i can suggest is reinstalling
[10:12] <Skaface82> see if the newest live cd boots up
[10:12] <Skaface82> that way youll know if its a problem with the latest version, or with your install
[10:12] <Woodpecker> this doesnt usually happen to me. Can anyone else click and see if it works for them?
[10:12] <Guest156> ok when trying to boot as all the processes are loading he last line seams to hold the key
[10:12] <Woodpecker> hey all, trying to connect to http://localhost:10011/cb but its giving me connection refused.
[10:12] <Woodpecker> this doesnt usually happen to me. Can anyone else click and see if it works for them?
[10:15] <Fuchs> Woodpecker: localhost obviously won't work for people != you, since it is your local host.
[10:16] <Guest156> bash: 0: can't open while systemctl list-jobs | grep -v friendly-recovery | g rep -q running: do-sleep 0;2; done
[10:16] <Guest156> that where it stops
[10:16] <Woodpecker> Fuchs: I know that, but its not working for me.
[10:17] <EriC^^> Guest156: try booting an older kernel from advanced options in grub
[10:17] <Fuchs> is whatever process listens on that port running?  Check with  sudo netstat -taunp   and also maybe say _what_ should be listening there and if you get any errors.
[10:17] <Woodpecker> Fuchs: like I can go to localhost normal, but that localhost path is no longer working for me. Oh, good idea!
[10:17] <Guest156> I have still the same issue
[10:18] <Woodpecker> sudo: netstat: command not found
[10:18] <Guest156> well i will never trust a partial upgrade again
[10:19] <Guest156> its shit!
[10:19] <Woodpecker> i guess Ill just try a reboot
[10:19] <Woodpecker> brb
[10:19] <Skaface82> guest156: if it were me i would try booting the latest live cd to make sure its not a bug or something... then see if you can do a repair/upgrade from that cd
[10:19] <Guest156> god nows what meltedown and spectra will have lots of broken sustems
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> Guest156: please use polite language here
[10:20] <Guest156> that is being polite
[10:20] <Woodpecker> nope. Still not working
[10:21] <Guest156> just as bad as the windows blue screen of death the ubuntu blank screen of death thats not being polite!
[10:21] <Woodpecker> connection refused
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> Guest156: scroll up on your own text, see also !language & guidelines
[10:22] <AlexMao> Anyone running into issues ubiquity/installer crashing with the latest/final beta?
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> AlexMao: #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 please
[10:22] <Guest156> well nobody can fix the problem
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> Guest156: what problem
[10:23] <Guest156> i would sugget yyou scroll up your screen and see
[10:29] <Skaface82> guest156 we are just trying to help. be appreciative.. im just a person like you who uses linux
[10:29] <Skaface82> ive suggested what i would try
[10:29] <Skaface82> and you ignored me
[10:30] <s10gopal> in this command how to set custom version ? make -j `getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN` deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-custom
[10:30] <Guest156> i will use a live usb 16.04 to effect a repair
[10:30] <Skaface82> see if the live cd boots first and if it does, do a repair from it
[10:31] <mboard> hi all, I am trying to get my head around something with permissions.  I am attempting to create a php cli script for automating vhosts for apache and setting user permissions / symbolic links.  As the application is running from terminal and you would normally require root to setup new vhost files, is it standard to just run sudo php vhost.php?
[10:32] <Guest156> i have no problem in booting from the usb memory with a live boot version of 16.04 which boots and can boot in live mode or install - the partial upgrade broke a perfectly working sytem,
[10:34] <Guest156> so how do you do a repair using a live boot without reinstalling ?
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub | Guest156
[10:35] <Guest156> ubotiu - just ubuntu 16.04 installed no windows
[10:36] <olbrook> hi all
[10:39] <olbrook> what is the name of this channel?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> !support | olbrook
[10:39] <olbrook> cheers
[10:46] <Rockwood> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-docker-on-ubuntu-16-04  i am following this
[10:47] <Rockwood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jRwFKFTpqR/ why its showing non
[10:47] <Rockwood> tomreyn, o/
[10:50] <Rockwood> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K6543x3VQD/
[11:05] <tomreyn> Rockwood: hi, did you install it, yet?
[11:06] <Rockwood> yes
[11:06] <tomreyn> Rockwood: how?
[11:06] <Rockwood> i am have installed many time but same error
[11:07] <tomreyn> Rockwood: what's the cvommand you ran to install it? the pastebin does not show this.
[11:07] <tomreyn> if you run "history" you get to see the last commands you ran
[11:08] <Rockwood> tomreyn, https://kopy.io/cA00s
[11:09] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you have not yet decided to trust the apt repository signing key of the docker-ce PPA, as such, the package was not installed
[11:10] <Rockwood> what should is do that that now ?
[11:10] <tomreyn> the first step of the how.to you're following is supposed to make your system trust it
[11:13] <tomreyn> Rockwood: actually i did not read properly. the cause of the problem is not that you did not import the gpg key into the apt key store, but that the repository is not signed with it.
[11:14] <tomreyn> see lines 44 ff at https://kopy.io/cA00s
[11:15] <tomreyn> not signing apt repository meta data is considered to be bad practice, so such repositories wont be used by default. you can probably override this if you really want to.
[11:15] <Rockwood> tomreyn, how to solve this ?
[11:16] <tomreyn> there is a general apt option of 'Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories true'
[11:17] <Rockwood> where ?
[11:17] <Rockwood> in my ubuntu settings
[11:17] <tomreyn> Rockwood: this could be used to ovverride the gpg check of *all* repositories. but that's a bad idea. the rigfht way to solve this is to have those who maintain the repository to sign it.
[11:18] <Rockwood> sign in
[11:18] <tomreyn> (and probably not to use this repository until this is ensured)
[11:19] <megaaaaa> hello! i need to install this library http://biopp.univ-montp2.fr/wiki/index.php/Installation on unix, therefore i dont understand the installation instructions on that webpage that says : Bio++ 2.3 packages (libbpp-core, libbpp-seq, etc.) are available in the Debian Testing repositories (and are subsequently transferred to Debian Stable and Ubuntu). They can be installed using your usual package/program manager.
[11:19] <s10gopal>  linux-firmware-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb   linux-headers-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb   linux-libc-dev_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb     linux-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb , i need to install these 4 files to install kernel ?
[11:22] <tomreyn> Rockwood: to make sure i am not talking nonsense, can you please show "dpkg -l docker-ce | grep docker-ce"?
[11:22] <NitinSharma> sure tomreyn
[11:22] <s10gopal> this file is also generated linux-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1.dsc
[11:23] <NitinSharma> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52CY98BVrv/
[11:24] <Rockwood> sorry internet problem so that why i have logging again
[11:25] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so i was wrong, apt currently still tolerates this situation, and only reported that it is bad practice, but the package was apparently installed.
[11:25] <Rockwood> tomreyn, output of dpkg -l docker-ce | grep docker-ce -->  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/52CY98BVrv/
[11:25] <Rockwood> so just now login ?
[11:26] <tomreyn> Rockwood: does "apt-cache policy docker-ce" still say that it is not installed, thoughj??
[11:26] <s10gopal> where files are required to install to install kernel ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3qS7QHt66k/
[11:27] <tomreyn> s10gopal: linux-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb contains the kernel
[11:27] <s10gopal> tomreyn, so only need to install 1 file ?
[11:27] <tomreyn> s10gopal: dpends on what your goals are. you may also want to install the other debs
[11:28] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CvcPkt95BY/
[11:28] <Rockwood> now its showing install i think
[11:28] <s10gopal> tomreyn,  i just want to install kernel build by me
[11:28] <tomreyn> Rockwood: right, so actually all is as expected. just go on with the how.to
[11:28] <s10gopal> doing git bijection https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646
[11:29] <tomreyn> s10gopal: do you mean git bisect?
[11:29] <s10gopal> tomreyn, yes
[11:29] <bijective> uiuctf
[11:29] <tomreyn> ok, good luck.
[11:30] <s10gopal> tomreyn, so only  linux-image-4.12.0-rc7-custom_4.12.0-rc7-custom-1_amd64.deb is required to install ?
[11:30] <megaaaaa> hello! i need to install this library http://biopp.univ-montp2.fr/wiki/index.php/Installation on unix, therefore i dont understand the installation instructions on that webpage that says : Bio++ 2.3 packages (libbpp-core, libbpp-seq, etc.) are available in the Debian Testing repositories (and are subsequently transferred to Debian Stable and Ubuntu). They can be installed using your usual package/program manager. i really need help
[11:30] <Rockwood> tomreyn, next for me how to use ?
[11:32] <HarkalyG> Hi, I'd like to know if I install Ubuntu 18.04 beta2 will it automatic upgrade to it's final version at the end of April?
[11:32] <Rockwood> tomreyn, but its having 18.02.0~ce-0~ubuntu 500 , why ?
[11:33] <tomreyn> s10gopal: i have never done a bisect, so i don't know what you need. i assume your goal is to test this kernel image to learn whether or not it is affected by a bug / issue, so unless you need to debug the kernel further or need to build modules just installing the kernel image .deb is sufficient.
[11:33] <s10gopal> tomreyn, thx
[11:33] <s10gopal> testing my first build kernel
[11:33] <tomreyn> Rockwood: probably that was the latest available at the time you installed
[11:34] <tomreyn> !18.04 | HarkalyG
[11:35] <HarkalyG> tomreyn: What does it supposed to mean? Is it an answer to my question? I don't get it.
[11:35] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: this channel is about ubuntu, a linux distribution. we cannot help with installing packages on unix.
[11:36] <tomreyn> HarkalyG: 18.04 is not released. there is no support for it, yet, but you can discuss it in channel #ubuntu+1
[11:37] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: thats exactly why i am in the ubuntu channel and not the linux one. because there is a specified way to install it on ubuntu, and thats what im trying to figure out here
[11:37] <HarkalyG> megaaaaa: Me too. It was a fuckin' question.
[11:39] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: oh so you don't intend to install it on unix then (that's what you said initally). which ubuntu release are you running, or do you plan to run?
[11:40] <gelswip> megaaaaa: the package manager for ubuntu is apt. to install the packages it listed, you would open the terminal and run: sudo apt install libbpp-core libbpp-seq
[11:41] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: my bad, i said "unix" but i meant ubuntu. 17.10
[11:41] <tomreyn> gelswip: those are the names of the source packages.
[11:42] <megaaaaa> gelswip: the thing is , do i only need to install those 2? because in the requierements of the program that uses those libs, its says "install bio++ 2.1 libraries"
[11:42] <myraft_> hey guys : My Ubuntu has super slow updates. I am not sure if it is  resolve or CERT issue . Any ideas or help ?
[11:42] <megaaaaa> ive tried sudo apt install bio++      but doesnt work, neither with "biopp"
[11:44] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: are you going to build the software from source or are you going to run a pre-built binary?
[11:45] <megaaaaa> the program uses the library in the source, and i have to run the makefile to obtain the executable file
[11:45] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: oh this is actually just a library, so you just need that.
[11:45] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: what is "the program"?
[11:45] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/software/DeCoSTAR/get.html
[11:46] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: thats my wish, to have decostar up and running on my ubuntu machine so i can start my university project
[11:46] <gelswip> from that page it looks like there are 4 "biopp" libraries: bpp-core bpp-seq bpp-popgen and bpp-phyl. in apt i would assume the prefix changes to libbpp (two b's two p's)
[11:47] <megaaaaa> gelswip: so "apt install libbpp" is the where to go you think?
[11:48] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: just run this in a temrinal: sudo apt update && sudo apt install libbpp-core3 libbpp-seq11
[11:49] <tomreyn> megaaaaa:actually you and gelswip seem to be right, you'll need them all. i'll look up the other package names for you.
[11:49] <tomreyn> libbpp-popgen7 libbpp-phyl11
[11:50] <gelswip> if he's building will he need the -dev packages too?
[11:50] <ioria> he probably needs also the -dev pkg   ; libbpp-core-dev libbpp-seq-dev
[11:50] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: so run this in a temrinal: sudo apt update && sudo apt install libbpp-core3 libbpp-seq11 libbpp-popgen7 libbpp-phyl11
[11:50] <tomreyn> i dont think the plan is to buld but to use the prebuilt binary
[11:50] <tomreyn> ...of "decostar"
[11:51] <bobby127> i used DD command on an old disk and now i can't access the files on it
[11:51] <bobby127> it is old and was not used often, but im not sure what i had on it
[11:51] <megaaaaa> exactly, the plan is first be able to use the prebuilt binary of decostar. my work is to optimize code in decostar, so at some point i will have to rebuild it with the makefile
[11:51] <megaaaaa> but im not supossed to touch to the bio++ lib
[11:51] <bobby127> can i recover the lost partitions? what tool to use?
[11:52] <tomreyn> bobby127: what'S the dd command you ran?
[11:53] <megaaaaa> so that sudo apt worked, i will come back soon to say you if i managed to run decostar
[11:53] <tomreyn> bobby127: you mea be able to recover the partitions uring 'testdisk'. this will not recover data, though. you'd need to do this in a separate step.
[11:53] <gelswip> megaaaaa: a (sometimes) useful command i found was apt search (package-name)
[11:53] <tomreyn> *may
[11:53] <gelswip> which shows a list of packages available matching that name
[11:54] <gelswip> so apt search bpp would give you the libbpp package names, among other things
[11:54] <tomreyn> ^ good hint!
[11:54] <bobby127> tomreyn, it was a basic DD command, something like: dd if=/home/me/desktop/some.iso of=/dev/sde
[11:55] <bobby127> testdisk?
[11:55] <tomreyn> !info testdisk | bobby127
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:56] <tomreyn> bobby127: be sure to have current, complete, restorable backups before you make such changes.
[11:56] <bobby127> ok i will check that out, thank you tomreyn, ubottu
[11:56] <bobby127> you suggest i make a disk image first?
[11:56] <bobby127> so i can go back?
[11:57] <bobby127> i don't know if it's worth it, it's an old disk anyway
[11:58] <tomreyn> bobby127: i (generally) recommend to have current, complete, restorable backups before you make such changes. i do not know the data on your different disks and what it means to you to loose them so cannot comment on what you need to do in your situation.
[12:00] <megaaaaa> hum, thing is now that in the makefile i have to say where i installed bio++ http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/software/DeCoSTAR/use.html    but, have only installed different libraries (libbpp-core3, libbpp-seq11...) . how to put this all together?
[12:00] <tomreyn> bobby127: when working with utilities which have the ability to make changes to raw storage devices and partition tables it's always good to ensure that you have all relevant data from all available disks backed up (also this should be generally done), due to the potential for human error (applying changes to the wrong disk).
[12:02] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: running dpkg -L PACKAGE for each PACKAGE you installed will provide a listing of the installed files and their locations.
[12:03] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: try this: dpkg -L libbpp-core3 libbpp-seq11 libbpp-popgen7 libbpp-phyl11 | grep -F .so
[12:08] <bobby127> tomreyn, i understand, and i agree, i made a mistake this time, and i did not have anything important on that disk, thankfully! but i will check out the tool you mentioned just as an exercise to see what can be recovered
[12:10] <root> hi
[12:11] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: https://paste.ofcode.org/JiyDXUf4iRUGTBZZTxwcJq this should be my last question. sorry to be anoying, just my knowledge in ubuntu and linux overall is verry low
[12:11] <Guest58863> mmmmm
[12:14] <laptop> what is best distrubtion that is still doing 32 bit and uptodate
[12:15] <diego_> Hi, I don't suppose anyone can help me with an issue I have wih bluetooth audio here ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1022652/bluetooth-speakers-only-work-for-a-few-seconds
[12:16] <danes> hello, does anyone know if there is any active work on the drivers for a 13inch macbook pro 2017 with retina display?
[12:25] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: you're not annoying me at all. which OS architecture does your ubuntu use? uname -m
[12:26] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: if it's amd64 then your libraries are probably all located in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[12:26] <megaaaaa> x86_64
[12:27] <tomreyn> err right thats what i meant to say: if it's x86_64 then your libraries are probably all located in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[12:27] <megaaaaa> ye, they are located there, the thing is that i have multiple libs as you can see in the paste https://paste.ofcode.org/JiyDXUf4iRUGTBZZTxwcJq
[12:27] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: oh i didnt read the commented out lines
[12:28] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: haha. the thing is, how do i integrated to the makefile as it requieres only one lib for biopp?
[12:32] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: this is actualyl a question you'd need to ask the developer. but on a first glance it seems that in those variables below you are supposed to set paths which contain all needed libs. i guess if you'll set BPP_LIB to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu this may already work. i'm not sure about BPP_INCLUDE, though, i guess you would point this at the header files but those would only be available if you also installed the  -dev packages. maybe
[12:32] <tomreyn> it's not needed for your use case.
[12:33] <tomreyn> megaaaaa: wasn't your plan to work with the pre-built binary?
[12:34] <megaaaaa> tomreyn: of decostar? nope, as i have to make modifications in the source code of decostar. the only thing i will not touch at all is bio++. but i cant manage to install it its a pain
[12:36] <laptop> what is best distrubtion that is still doing 32 bit and uptodate
[12:36] <Irritiable|LT> Windows 98?
[12:37] <myraft_> hey folks - could really use some help with network issues
[12:37] <Irritiable|LT> myraft_: I'd suggest taking that to the channel of: ##networking
[12:37] <chisui> Hey, I'm having trouble running libreoffice-6.0.2.1 on ubuntu 16.04 32bit. It starts up and loads the controlls around the actual writing area but that crashes without any messages. The error seems to be an internal segfault in java-8-openjdk. Here id the gdbtrace.log output https://hastebin.com/ixeviqowin.apache
[12:37] <tomreyn> danes: usually kernel developers will not work on supporting a specific assembled product like a specific macbook. instead, they'd work on its components, seperately and at different speeds (there is no kjoint efforts to support linux on a specifc assembled product). if you look through "lspci -knn" and "lsusb" you will see hardware IDs of your system and for each of these drivers need to be available. there is more that this which needs to be
[12:37] <tomreyn> supported in linux, but this is the most important part.
[12:38] <tomreyn> laptop: we support ubuntu here, we do not do polls.
[12:38] <chisui> To be clear, the crash only occures once the writer is opened, calc and the dashboard application work.
[12:38] <tomreyn> !ask | myraft_
[12:39] <danes> tomreyn: thanks for the clarification (y)
[12:39] <myraft_> my updates are super slow and installing rubygems keeps on giving timeout errors
[12:39] <myraft_> either it is a resolve issue or CERT issue
[12:39] <myraft_> not sure where to diagnose it.
[12:39] <tomreyn> !info libreoffice xenial
[12:40] <myraft_> help please :)
[12:40] <tomreyn> chisui: there deosn't seem to be libreoffice 6 in xenial (16.04). where did you get it from then?
[12:40] <tomreyn> danes: welcome :)
[12:41] <tomreyn> myraft_: show some output on a pastebin
[12:41] <tomreyn> !paste | myraft_
[12:42] <tomreyn> myraft_: you can install rubygems on a terminal like this: sudo apt update; sudo apt install rubygems
[12:42] <chisui> tomreyn: I got it from the official openoffice ppa, but I was just an idiot, I didn't uninstall libreoffice 5 properly and just hoped they would work side by side. Uninstalling 5 fixed all issues.
[12:43] <chisui> :s/openoffice/libreoffice/
[12:44] <tomreyn> chisui: alright :) just to make sure you're aware: third party repositories and ppa's are not (officially) supported. good luck!
[12:44] <myraft_> @tomreyn: just put stuff here
[12:44] <myraft_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KJ2DRhYSmv/
[12:45] <tomreyn> myraft_: looks like your system is having trouble connecting to those ipv6 addresses.
[12:45] <myraft_> really hard to explain. The browser and chat window is responding fine without any lag or slowliness. The GUI updates is very slow and the rubygems is timeing out.
[12:46] <tomreyn> myraft_: you can run 'ping6 -c20 2001:67c:1562::16' to test the connection
[12:46] <myraft_> that is what I thought and changed /etc/sysctl.conf to DISABLE IP6
[12:47] <tomreyn> myraft_: that doesn't seem to have applied then. also maybe not a good idea.
[12:47] <myraft_> copy that
[12:47] <myraft_> the ping timed-out
[12:48] <tomreyn> does 'ping -c20 91.189.91.23' work?
[12:49] <myraft_> no ping stalled for over 45 secs
[12:49] <myraft_> I did CTRL C out of it.
[12:51] <tomreyn> myraft_: so it's actually a generic network / routing issue between you and the ubuntu servers. you can diagnose this further using e.g. 'mtr' ("apt install mtr" - if you can)
[12:52] <myraft_> doing it now.
[12:53] <tomreyn> then run network tests against both the ipv6 and ipv4 addresses this "economy" example server (one of the mirrors your apt command tried to connect to earlier) resolves to:
[12:54] <lapaga> speaking of apt...is there a reason to use apt-get over apt?
[12:54] <Irritiable|LT> lapaga: I use apt-fast (wrapper for apt-get).
[12:54] <tomreyn> mtr -4 --report-wide --report-cycles 20 --show-ips economy.canonical.com
[12:54] <tomreyn> mtr -6 --report-wide --report-cycles 20 --show-ips economy.canonical.com
[12:55] <tomreyn> lapaga: scripting, since apt is not made for this purpose.
[12:55] <myraft_> so I started "sudo apt-get install mtr" , and it is stalled at us.archive.ubuntu.com for this time
[12:56] <lapaga> thanks
[12:57] <tomreyn> myraft_: maybe a try a mirror server which is not managed by canoical
[12:57] <tomreyn> !mirrors
[12:57] <tomreyn> myraft_: actually there's listed here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:57] <myraft_> @tomreyn : sure , how would I do that.
[12:57] <tomreyn> *they are
[12:59] <tomreyn> myraft_: scroll down to "United States" and pick one that is close to you and is not called us.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:00] <myraft_> copy that - I am googling how to to change sources . there is GUI or apt/sources  , frankly don't remember
[13:00] <TJ-> Any sneaky ideas on how to get around a debootstrap failing due to dpkg-deb reporting "dpkg-deb: error: archive 'XXXX.deb' contains not understood data member control.tar.xz, giving up". Trying to build an 18.04 chroot to do a side-by-side upgrade from 12.04 ESM. Seems like the dpkg in 12.04 ESM doesn't have a version of liblzma5 that fully supports xz as used now
[13:00] <tomreyn> myraft_: also make sure the mirror you select actually supporty our ubuntu release
[13:00] <tomreyn> myraft_: you can edit the sources using: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:01] <tomreyn> myraft_: maybe create a backup before you start editing the file: sudo cp -p /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup-2018-04-07
[13:02] <tomreyn> ctrl -x to exit the editor (that's if it says "GNU nano" on top)
[13:02] <tomreyn> it will prompt to save changes when you exit
[13:04] <tomreyn> TJ-: this sound slike oyu might need to have a chroot with a dpkg which supports liblzma5. ;-)
[13:04] <tomreyn> no fun
[13:05] <TJ-> tomreyn: that's where I'm going, I've debootstrapped a 14.04 and will debootstrap the 18.04 from there :D
[13:07] <tomreyn> i guess canonical might want to provide their paying customers with a better migration path, but i guess they normally do since the default upgrade path would from from 12.04 to 14.04, then 16.04, then 18.04 i guess
[13:08] <tomreyn> where "normal" = "do-release-upgrade". or does this support skipping LTS releases?
[13:08] <myraft_> I have changed 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/' to 'http://mirrors.wikimedia.org/ubuntu/' . Saved the file using SUDO.  It does the Hit 1, Hit2 and Hit 3 fast and then stalls at mirrors.wikemedia.org .
[13:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: darn! 14.04 still doesn't handle it! I checked all the lib/package versions/changelogs too... best try 16.04 :)
[13:12] <survey0r> oh no
[13:18] <tomreyn> TJ-: only the most religious friars will tend to self flagellation also on the weekend.
[13:18] <survey0r> lol
[13:19] <tomreyn> myraft_: meh, i guess you should just try resetting the devices which provides you with internet access and try again. if it still doesn't work, talk to your isp, telling them that you can basically not connect to many places.
[13:19] <oneirosFade> Hey all. Bizarre issue happening suddenly -- triple-clicking (to select a whole line of text) turns off the cursor and resets it to the center of the screen, and Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V don't seem to work anymore? Also backspace and delete don't work in some situations...
[13:19] <lex0r> hellou
[13:19] <TJ-> tomreyn: it's the quietest time for doing a switchover :)
[13:19] <lex0r> fellow ubuntu users
[13:19] <tomreyn> myraft_: where "reset" = "reboot", not vendor defaults.
[13:20] <myraft_> @tomreyn: thanks man....
[13:20] <oneirosFade> Oh, nevermind, I literally just figured it out accidentally.
[13:21] <lex0r> i am running ubuntu 16.04 and i would like to change the program that locks the screen by default
[13:21] <tomreyn> myraft_: comcast is a cable network, right? so you'd have a cable modem there. keep it powered off (pull wall plug) for 30 seconds to ensure capacitors loose current.
[13:22] <lex0r> i am not really sure, where to find the proper config files. ive been doing some research but have not found any satisfying answer yetr
[13:22] <myraft_> @tomreyn: will try that on the next reboot. I was messing around with IP6 disable. Reverting those now.
[13:23] <tomreyn> myraft_: right, it doesn't seem to be an ipv6 (only) issue.
[13:28] <myraft_> @tomreyn: thnx for ideas and suggestions. Will restart and might be back asking for more help
[13:29] <R13ose> Hi
[13:30] <saberu> Hi guys I'm extremely frustrated at my inability to get this Realtek ATL8812AU driver installed on Ubuntu 16.04 for my Wi-Fi card
[13:30] <saberu> I would really appreciate some help
[13:33] <tomreyn> !hwe | saberu
[13:33] <tomreyn> saberu: use a hwe kernel is you're still on GA
[13:34] <saberu> This is my Wi-Fi adapter- https://www.amazon.co.uk/BrosTrend-Wireless-Network-Supports-AC1/dp/B01BV91L7Y
[13:35] <saberu> it uses the realtek 8812 chipset, which seems to be quite common and used by a lot of brands
[13:35] <zerorax> anyone ever rolled their own Ubuntu?
[13:35] <saberu> it's frustrating because it was working for a while only on a VM. Then I couldn't install it on my laptop running Ubuntu. Then I restarted the VM at some point and it wouldnt even work on there
[13:36] <saberu> despite countless driver reinstalls
[13:36] <saberu> are you saying I should be using the LTS release? I usually do not sure if i got it last time
[13:36] <zerorax> I've been making my own Enlightenment Ubuntu 17.10, I wonder if anyone has guides or tips that could help me so I'm not fumbling around in the dark
[13:37] <zerorax> Ebuntu
[13:37] <zerorax> lol
[13:37] <zerorax> not actually gonna call it that, but I want it to be based on upstream ubuntu and to use the official repos
[13:38] <saberu> Zerorax add some built in driver support for popular Wifi adapters and I'm sure it will become the most popular distro within 12 months :/
[13:38] <zerorax> It's actually just a practice exercise so when I have to make my own for real I will have experience
[13:38] <zerorax> saberu, yeah, popularity is not what I'm worried about... I'm just wondering if there's guides anyones seen
[13:39] <zerorax> or if it's too rare a task for guides
[13:39] <saberu> hell people wonder why Linux doesn't go mainstream. I'm quite an avid IT professional, just not a Linux whizz, just amateur for that
[13:39] <saberu> and I can't even get a damn driver working
[13:39] <zerorax> Linux could use more user-friendliness... I mean managing multiple screens when hotplugging hdmi is not a nice experience or something that even always works with nvidia drivers
[13:40] <Irritiable|LT> OpenGL on Linux doesn't seem very happy.
[13:40] <zerorax> like, Linux doesn't go mainstream because of little things like that. people basically don't want to learn skills so they can use their computer. they want to play candy crush on facebook without having to know anything
[13:40] <Irritiable|LT> Intel HD 505 graphics loves to flicker. :|
[13:40] <zerorax> eww
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Your argument makes 0 sense.
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> Your dictation of what /others/ should do with /their/ property?
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> Oh, right. Tyranny.
[13:41] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, I'm not dictating, merely stating an observation
[13:41] <leftyfb> saberu: did you bother installing the hwe kernel like was suggested to you? Also, this in running in a VM? Are you passing the network card directly through to the VM(removing it from the host)?
[13:41] <saberu> zerorax, you are so naive. Why does everyone have to be an expert at Linux drivers? I'm more of a programmer than a sys admin
[13:41] <dli> recently, some linux-image-generic packages have lots of modules missing. booting up, without mouse or wifi because the kernel has no modules for the drivers
[13:41] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: "they want to play candy crush on facebook without having to know anything" -- Reflect on that for a bit.
[13:41] <saberu> leftyfb, I've tried both in VM and on a physical machine
[13:42] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, sorry if it makes no sense, I just woke up 5 mins ago lol
[13:42] <saberu> i had it working on the VM but very temporamental then it just stopped working even after reinstall
[13:42] <leftyfb>  saberu the VM won't require the direct hardware's drivers out of the box
[13:42] <leftyfb> saberu: which state are you in now? VM or bare metal?
[13:42] <zerorax> basically, Linux isn't as pretty and idiot proof as Windows or OSX... I personally love it
[13:42] <saberu> I'm trying both
[13:42] <saberu> got both setup right here ready to roll
[13:42] <zerorax> I got my mom on Kubuntu
[13:42] <zerorax> on her laptop
[13:42] <zerorax> which she plays candy crush on lol
[13:43] <leftyfb> saberu: lets go with bare metal. What does lscpi tell you the hardware is?
[13:43] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: "Isn't as pretty?" Okay. That's a personal opinion. "Idiot proof." Uhh.. What? Windows can be broken (name a distro) pretty easy. The whole OS is as fragile as any Linux distro.
[13:43] <leftyfb> saberu: lspci |grep -i net
[13:43] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Why would you NOT want an 'idiot-proof' solution?
[13:43] <leftyfb> Irritiable|LT: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:44] <ericrajuin> I think with nice themes, linux can actually look prettier than windows and osx
[13:44] <zerorax> maybe I made too broad of a statement, I don't feel like arguing with you
[13:44] <saberu> I already know that, it's the realtek rtl 8812au chipset. but i tried this driver that didn't work - https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au. uninstalled it now im trying this one - https://github.com/gordboy/rtl8812au
[13:44] <saberu> but i'll humour you
[13:44] <Irritiable|LT> I hope you're older enough to realize that wires and plugs are color-coded now days. They also have idiot-proof pins, so even the non-idiots (like me) don't accidentally (keyword: idiot-proof) fry their motherboard or PCI slot.
[13:44] <saberu> lefty first of all I think you mean lsusb
[13:44] <leftyfb> Irritiable|LT: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:44] <saberu> which is what i used last time to identify it
[13:45] <leftyfb> saberu: this is a usb network device?
[13:45] <zerorax> sorry leftyfb, it's my fault for starting it... I made the statement he's responding to
[13:45] <saberu> yes, i know pci ones still exist but not as common these days i guess
[13:45] <leftyfb> saberu: ok, so to confirm, what does lsusb say it is?
[13:45] <Irritiable|LT> saberu: Built-on NICs are more common. I have an external PCI-based NIC card for my 2004 desktop.
[13:46] <Irritiable|LT> [08:43:27] <leftyfb> saberu: lspci |grep -i net
[13:46] <saberu> Irritiable|LT, yeh that's common in laptops didn't have a built-in wifi on my motherboard for my desktop though. My laptop actually has a built in one but it sucks
[13:46] <zerorax> anyone have a cool configuration for conky they care to share?
[13:47] <Irritiable|LT> saberu: Have you opened a terminal and entered the command yet?
[13:47] <Irritiable|LT> saberu: lspci |grep -i net
[13:47] <leftyfb> Irritiable|LT: it's been confirmed to be a usb device
[13:48] <saberu> anyway so leftyfb - Realtek RTL8812AU 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN Adapter. that's what it says, but honestly I doubt the wifi spec details are that relevant
[13:48] <saberu> it's a realtek 8812au
[13:48] <leftyfb> saberu: what version of ubuntu are you runnung?
[13:48] <leftyfb> running*
[13:48] <zerorax> when does bionic beaver roll out?
[13:49] <zerorax> this month right?
[13:49] <leftyfb> !bionic | zerorax
[13:49] <saberu> 16.04 LTS
[13:49] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Right after The Terminator's Revenge is released.
[13:49] <leftyfb> saberu: ok, what kernel are you running? : uname -r
[13:49] <saberu> 4.13.0-38-generic
[13:50] <leftyfb> saberu: tried the rtl8812au-dkms package?
[13:51] <saberu> yes it didn't work on the laptop. it worked on the VM a few weeks ago but isn't working on the VM either. I've also tried installing manually from github using dms command line
[13:51] <saberu> dkms*
[13:51] <leftyfb> saberu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/991643/rtl8812au-usb-adapter-driver-issues
[13:51] <Actarus> hey everyone :) I'd like to ask a question.... I am having issues with this https://askubuntu.com/questions/30794/is-there-a-way-to-stream-audio-video-to-an-apple-airplay-device The problem is I cannot get it to work and the audio output switches to the airport device but there is no sound on my speakers... for example youtube videos stop playing and i cannot force the stream thorugh my airport device.... Any suggestions?
[13:51] <leftyfb> saberu: follow that solution line for line and paste any errors, preferably the entire output to pastebin
[13:51] <saberu> leftyfb, I think the wifi adapter was working on the physical machine (laptop) a few days ago
[13:52] <saberu> or a week or two ago
[13:52] <saberu> it's like.. it's not working on either now
[13:52] <leftyfb> saberu: we're only focusing on getting it to work right now on the laptop
[13:52] <saberu> yep understood. i will follow the solution, just thought you should know I have tried it before. but i don't have your debugging skills
[13:53] <leftyfb> Actarus: you want airplay.jar. It works for me
[13:53] <leftyfb> saberu: you do at this moment
[13:54] <Actarus> leftyfb, how.. Is there an explanation how to set up?
[13:55] <leftyfb> Actarus: https://github.com/jamesdlow/open-airplay
[13:55] <leftyfb> Actarus: you'll have to seek support from there
[13:55] <Actarus> leftyfb, ok thanks
[13:56] <saberu> yeh sorry that was my point (almost done)
[13:58] <saberu> ok it's installed and i restarted network-manager
[13:58] <leftyfb> reboot
[13:59] <landspite> hi everyone.
[13:59] <landspite> did the dist name for zesty change ?
[13:59] <landspite> my /etc/apt/sources.list has "deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty main restricted"
[13:59] <landspite> but every mirror no longer hosts zesty.
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> landspite: zesty is eol
[14:00] <landspite> oh
[14:00] <landspite> so I should dist upgrade.
[14:00] <leftyfb> do-release-upgrade
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> landspite: we reccomend clean installing a supported version from topic
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> !usn | landspite for security reasons
[14:01] <landspite> ok i see
[14:01] <landspite> that page is not found.
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | landspite also an option
[14:01] <landspite> thanks :)
[14:02] <saberu> well I'm lost for words, the reboot magically fixed it. Thanks. i feel pretty stupid now. I think last time I rebooted it must have been on a different USB port that wasn't supported as well. and then I had it on this better USB port but restarted network-manager without rebooting earlier today. Anyway all working now, thanks a lot. Saved me a lot of frustration
[14:02] <saberu> i mean obviously not magically fixed it because rebooting usually solves a lot of driver issues haha
[14:02] <landspite> so I should switch to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark?
[14:02] <leftyfb> saberu: ok, good timing. I gotta head out now
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> landspite: what will you be needing long time support or non-lts?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> landspite: you can choose 9months or 5y support
[14:03] <leftyfb> landspite: 18.04 will be out in a couple weeks. If you can wait it out, I would highly recommend going with that as it's the latest and will be supported for the next 5 years
[14:04] <landspite> i'll hop skip then jump ;)
[14:05] <landspite> so even number releases are 5 yr?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> !lts | landspite
[14:05] <landspite> thanks
[14:05] <Ascavasaion> I have a 19" monitor and Ubuntu detects 1024x768 as the maximum resolution.  I know it can go higher... could someone please point me in the right direction please?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> landspite: see #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 daily :p
[14:06] <landspite> cool
[14:10] <dli> Ascavasaion, could be a video card driver issue. does xrandr detects higher resolutions
[14:12] <Ascavasaion> dli, https://pastebin.com/Z0J5raZT   Does not look like it.
[14:13] <gobin> hi. someone there=
[14:14] <dli> Ascavasaion, looks like video card driver issue, especially, if your video card was recently released
[14:15] <Ascavasaion> dli, It is some orother onboard graphics card.
[14:15] <Ascavasaion> dli, lspci gives 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sky Lake Integrated Graphics (rev 06)
[14:15] <nikitha1> hi,  i am working on oracle installed on windows ,  want to shift to linux, is it good move ?
[14:16] <zerorax> https://imgur.com/a/nZF1c is it pretty enough?
[14:17] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: Beautiful OS.
[14:17] <gobin> so i wanted to install virtualbox. but at startup virtualbox printed this error: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. 	 Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and the appropriate 	 headers, most likely linux-headers-generic.
[14:17] <learningc> I'm trying to install gstreamer1.0-rtsp-server but ubuntu package cannot find it. Is it not available?
[14:17] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, it's Ubuntu, with Enlightenment, lets call it an ubuntu variant, as opposed to an OS
[14:17] <zerorax> I hate when people package other peoples sources for linux and call it it's own OS
[14:17] <Irritiable|LT> I was poking holes at you, Will, but okay. :p
[14:17] <zerorax> Irritiable|LT, :D\
[14:17] <gobin> so i started (sudo dpkg -P virtualbox-dkms) in terminal.
[14:18] <zerorax> Yeah I know my name was in there:P
[14:18] <zerorax> I don't care, I'm a whitehat i have nothing to hide
[14:18] <dli> Ascavasaion, I suppose the video driver is okay. still try 18.04 live cd to confirm
[14:18] <zerorax> but thanks Irritiable|LT do you actually think it looks nice?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> zerorax: keep it ontopic please
[14:18] <Ascavasaion> dli, nods
[14:18] <Irritiable|LT> zerorax: No. Lubuntu + XFCE > *
[14:19] <zerorax> lotuspsychje, the topic is Ubuntu, this is my first attempt at making an ubuntu variant, is that off topic?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> zerorax: this channel is for support issues only, feel free to discuss it more in #ubuntu-discuss
[14:19] <gobin> sry. run (sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms)
[14:20] <zano> guys I just need to know how I fix audio driver
[14:20] <zerorax> Oh okay, sure lotuspsychje, I will join there then thank you for setting me straight
[14:20] <gobin> this shows a dialog but doese not allow me to press <enter> or <space> ... to start the process.
[14:20] <zano> a noise come out from the speaker
[14:21] <ericrajuin> zerorax, it looks win-xp-ish
[14:21] <ericrajuin> while other parts are smooth
[14:21] <gobin> so I closed the window. Now I cant install any software ...
[14:22] <dli> zano, can you adjust the volume of the noises from the audio applet
[14:23] <zano> I did but the noise still happen ,until I put the headphone
[14:24] <gobin> Ohhh thank (god?) manage to get out of the damn dialog and abort installation/disable of uefi with <esc>
[14:25] <gobin> Is KVM < && > && == virtualbox?
[14:25] <lapaga> zano i had problems until i installed pulse audio volume control
[14:25] <dli> zano, can you mute the noises?
[14:26] <zano> yes
[14:27] <zano> when I mute the speakers,but I need the audio
[14:28] <zano> I already install and reinstall all drivers
[14:28] <dli> zano, yes, pavucontrol, can you see anything in playback
[14:29] <zano> what you mean?
[14:29] <dli> zano, try the command pavucontrol
[14:29] <zano> I used this before
[14:29] <zano> nothing work
[14:30] <zano> my laptop is old dell
[14:31] <Ascavasaion> Is the latest LTS release 16?  17 does not have an LTS release?  Have checked in Software & Updates and it says no, and have tried sudo dist-upgrade and nothing.
[14:32] <dli> zano, I have an asus (bought in 2011). had similar behaviour, but it only made noises with any playback. covered by warranty, and fixed by asus
[14:32] <zano> yes exactly
[14:33] <crimson_king> Ascavasaion, yes, 16.04 is the latest LTS. By the end of this month 18.04 will be released, and it will be LTS
[14:33] <zano> how to fix this
[14:33] <dli> zano, the asus support said they replaced the speaker.
[14:33] <Ascavasaion> crimson_king, Awqesome, thank you.  Hope it will have better drivers for my onboard graphics card
[14:34] <zano> but dell didnt
[14:34] <crimson_king> Ascavasaion, LTS releases follow this number pattern: (...) 10.04 - 12.04 - 14.04 - 16.04 - 18.04 - 20.04 see?
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: drivers database should be same on all versions
[14:35] <Ascavasaion> crimson_king, Oh, okay... thank you.
[14:35] <dli> zano, since it's hardware. try to get an external speaker
[14:36] <zano> yes,this is my only choice
[14:36] <zano> thank you for helping me
[14:36] <mrchairman> on ubuntu 17.10 i can't get wifi to work in starbucks
[14:36] <mrchairman> They changed the wifi system, and now it won't work. any of you guys experience this ??
[14:38] <dli> mrchairman, my solution, if pc doesn't work, try your phone, and use usb reverse tethering
[14:38] <Kharma> Ascavasaion: All versions patters mean, for examples 17 (last digits of year for release) and. 04 (month of release)
[14:38] <Kharma> Just fyi ;)
[14:39] <mrchairman> so I can use starbucks wifi through my phone?
[14:40] <Kharma> yes mrchairman
[14:40] <Ascavasaion> Kharma, Oh, never realised that... that is brilliant.
[14:41] <dli> mrchairman, your phone could be your external usb wifi
[14:41] <mrchairman> ah ok, i think i got it
[14:42] <Kharma> Ascavasaion:  just random info I thought really neat too when I learned that
[14:43] <dli> mrchairman, most likely, if you enable it from the phone side, ubuntu will get the network automatically
[14:45] <Kharma> Ascavasaion:  my example should have been 18.04 instead of 17.. but you get it ;)
[14:45] <Ascavasaion> Kharma, I do hehe  Thank you.
[14:53] <_Strix_> hello
[14:53] <BugzBunny> Hello _Strix_
[14:54] <BugzBunny> BugzBunny: What you need help with?
[14:54] <BugzBunny> Err
[14:54] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What you need help with?
[14:54] <_Strix_> Can you please tell me what is the kernel version of ubuntu 14.04.5
[14:55] <simonizor> Old.
[14:55] <simonizor> Like 3.18 or something
[14:55] <_Strix_> Wait
[14:55] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: That's Year and month of the versiion of YOutube
[14:55] <BugzBunny> LOL
[14:55] <_Strix_> Linux onion 4.13.13-4-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.Linux onion 4.13.13-4-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.13.13-35 (Mon, 8 Jan 2018 10:26:58 +0100) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:55] <_Strix_> 13.13-35 (Mon, 8 Jan 2018 10:26:58 +0100) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:55] <BugzBunny> Ubuntu
[14:56] <kostkon> !info linux-generic trusty
[14:56] <BugzBunny> Sorry, I have headset in the wrong place
[14:56] <simonizor> _Strix_: https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/linux-generic
[14:57] <kostkon> !info linux-generic-xenial trusty
[14:57] <_Strix_> Is there any way to go back to 3.13
[14:57] <simonizor> Remove whatever kernel you have installed and install linux-generic
[14:57] <neoname> my ubuntu bionic can't boot into cinnamon
[14:57] <simonizor> SeemsGood
[14:57] <simonizor> Try MATE :P
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> neoname: #ubuntu+1 for bionic
[14:58] <_Strix_> The issue was related to security onion
[14:58] <neoname> i press enter while having cinnamon selected and it just reboots my pc
[14:58] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What is the problem?
[14:58] <simonizor> SeemsGood; try MATE.  It's much nicer than Cinnamon anyways :P
[14:58] <neoname> ok...
[14:58] <jaydemir> Whats the best on screen keyboard package
[14:59] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Why would want to go back to 3.13?
[14:59] <simonizor> Why wouldn't you?
[14:59] <dli> jaydemir, I just use onboard
[14:59] <_Strix_> cat: /proc/net/pf_ring/info: No such file or directory
[14:59] <simonizor> 4.13 isn't supported on 14.04 at all
[14:59] <kostkon> _Strix_, maybe by removing your hwe packages? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Desktop-1  is 3.13 still there?
[15:00] <_Strix_> It was a fresh install,
[15:00] <_Strix_> I haven't upgraded anything
[15:00] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: That looks like missing CONFIG_*
[15:00] <kostkon> _Strix_, correct. latest 14.04 iso will have the 16.04 hwe
[15:00] <simonizor> 14.04 doesn't even have that kernel in hwe
[15:00] <simonizor> lol
[15:00] <lapaga> I have 12g ram do i need a swap partition? If I do not then I don't have to make an extended partition
[15:00] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What do you need /proc/net/pf_ring/info?
[15:01] <simonizor> Latest kernel provided by hwe on 14.04 is 4.4
[15:01] <BugzBunny> s/What/Why/?
[15:01] <_Strix_> It was for the security onion installation
[15:02] <_Strix_> I was able to get everything work fine with my digital ocean droplet which has kernel 3.13
[15:02] <kostkon> simonizor, 3.13
[15:02] <BugzBunny> Does Ubuntu configuration in /boot one can grep?
[15:02] <_Strix_> But this one there seems to be some problems.
[15:02] <BugzBunny> I ie /boot/config
[15:02] <_Strix_> wait
[15:03] <edwinvanolst[m]> installing the nvidia driver (340 or 382) causes my system to get stuck after boot at the encryption unlock. I can boot perfectly fine by going via recovery mode and then resuming normal boot. Any ideas?
[15:03] <_Strix_> root@onion:~# ll /boot/
[15:03] <_Strix_> total 8
[15:03] <_Strix_> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Feb  3  2015 ./
[15:03] <_Strix_> drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 Apr  7 14:59 ../
[15:03] <simonizor> _Strix_: Are you sure you're on 14.04? lol... do `cat /etc/os-release`
[15:04] <_Strix_> root@onion:~# lsb_release -a
[15:04] <_Strix_> No LSB modules are available.
[15:04] <_Strix_> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[15:04] <_Strix_> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[15:04] <_Strix_> Release:	14.04
[15:04] <_Strix_> Codename:	trusty
[15:04] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Pastebin
[15:04] <neoname> sometimes when i boot from logout my keyboard and mouse don't work. i am using ubuntu bionic btw
[15:04] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: It's much easier for us to read
[15:04] <BugzBunny> What happen to Drone?
[15:05] <kostkon> _Strix_, installing linux-generic will probably give you 3.13
[15:05] <BugzBunny> Weird to TheRedQueen do +q
[15:05] <_Strix_> Ok bro I will use pastebin from now onwards
[15:05] <simonizor> Installing linux-generic will give you 3.13, but you'll still have whatever other kernel
[15:06] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Please make sure you give us a link so we can read
[15:06] <simonizor> I'd honestly dump whatever service is providing this screwy 14.04 setup
[15:07] <_Strix_> https://pastebin.com/vaCtgvJY
[15:08] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: tree /boot
[15:08] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Please don't be that person that's hard to help
[15:09] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: I don't what this room had done, but please I want to help you
[15:10] <_Strix_> https://pastebin.com/TicLVgJn
[15:10] <_Strix_> Here is the output
[15:11] <BugzBunny> Okay, who boot system do you have?
[15:12] <_Strix_> It is a VPS.
[15:12] <BugzBunny> k
[15:12] <simonizor> I would honestly dump that VPS provider
[15:12] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: No problem
[15:13] <simonizor> It's pretty silly of them to provide that kernel on 14.04
[15:13] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What part of using Ubuntu you have problem with?
[15:13] <simonizor> That is not a kernel that is supported on 14.04 at all
[15:14] <_Strix_> BugzBunny, I was using it to set up security onion in it.
[15:15] <_Strix_> It worked fine with Ubuntu VPS having 3.13 kernel
[15:15] <BugzBunny> I don't know what 'security onion'
[15:15] <Ascavasaion> How can I check the video memory on onboard graphics card without rebooting and looking in BIOS?
[15:15] <BugzBunny> VPS?
[15:15] <simonizor> _Strix_: Either uninstall your current kernel and install linux-generic or dump that VPS provider because that is really silly thing for them to be doing
[15:16] <_Strix_> Ok guys
[15:16] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: A VPS
[15:16] <Irritiable|LT> Ascavasaion: Start menu > System Tools > Benchmark & Performance
[15:16] <Irritiable|LT> Contains all that and more.
[15:16] <_Strix_> Let me check what I can do here, I will come back later.
[15:16] <_Strix_> Thank you for helping me out.
[15:16] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Contact the VPS provider
[15:17] <simonizor> Ascavasaion: lspci -v
[15:17] <_Strix_> BugzBunny, I will be back in 45 mins.
[15:17] <BugzBunny> K
[15:24] <Irritiable|LT> Bash has a rand() function?
[15:25] <Irritiable|LT> "$(( ( RANDOM % 10 )  + 1 ))"
[15:25] <Irritiable|LT> Thanks.
[15:28] <mightyball> would anyone be able to help getting IR receive/transmit working on 17.10?
[15:29] <mightyball> i'm at a loss with this ir-keytables stuff
[15:30] <BugzBunny> mightyball: Sorry, I don't know
[15:31] <chele> hola
[15:31] <Guest27390> alguine me puede ayudar un un programa
[15:31] <Guest47996> Hello
[15:32] <tomreyn> !es | Guest27390
[15:32] <tomreyn> !es | chele
[15:32] <Guest27390> thank
[15:32] <tomreyn> welcome :)
[15:33] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: They going to come back
[15:33] <BugzBunny> I only if I can speak
[15:33] <mingdao> when uname prints "4.13.0-38-generic #43-Ubuntu" whis does the 38 designate?
[15:33] <tomreyn> Irritiable|LT: this is not cryptographically secure, though. use /dev/urandom (or /dev/random) instead if needed.
[15:33] <Guest47996> I am getting errors when I am installing the
[15:33] <Guest47996> Use of uninitialized value $fieldname in hash element at /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update line 691, <PROFILE> line 1. Use of uninitialized value $fieldname in hash element at /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update line 692, <PROFILE> line 1. could not read profile /usr/share/pam-configs/mkhomedir: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update line 674. dpkg: error processing package libpam-systemd:amd64 (--configure):  subprocess installed p
[15:34] <Irritiable|LT> tomreyn: I apologize. It is "Plymouth" scripting language; not bash.
[15:34] <tomreyn> mingdao: patch level
[15:34] <tomreyn> !latest | mingdao
[15:34] <Irritiable|LT> tomreyn: I am tinkering with the boot image splash screen. I wanted to have a randomly rotating image (per boot).
[15:34] <mingdao> tomreyn: does the 43 mean the 43rd time they've used 4.13.0 source?
[15:34] <tomreyn> Irritiable|LT: i see. i'm not into scripting plymouth
[15:35] <mingdao> tomreyn: i.e., the 43rd build of 4.13.0 or 4.13.0-38 ?
[15:36] <tomreyn> mingdao: hmm i'm not actually szure what the -38 means compared to the #43, i would have to review the changelog. you can do so, too.
[15:36] <tomreyn> *sure
[15:37] <tomreyn> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com (and links to it can be found from packages.ubuntu.com, ma ybe easier
[15:37] <Guest47996> I am using the ubuntu 16.04
[15:38] <mingdao> tomreyn: coreutils would make that #43 be the kernel version; i.e., if you build your own kernels that would be the 43rd time you build using the kernel release, which is 4.13.0-38 according to the output
[15:38] <mingdao> tomreyn: just curious where the Ubuntu deviates, thanks
[15:39] <BugzBunny> no
[15:39] <BugzBunny> mingdao: That's a number Ubuntu adds
[15:41] <BugzBunny> But rebuilding the kernel, afaik, doesn't necesarilly mean how many it was built with that number
[15:41] <BugzBunny> Correct me if I am wrong
[15:42] <BugzBunny> mingdao: Look at source changes on launchpad
[15:44] <simonizor> That's just the build number
[15:44] <simonizor> That means that package has been built 38 times
[15:45] <wiq> Hi, I am having HP Pavilion G6 1004tx laptop which have AMD Radeon HD 6470M
[15:46] <wiq>  sudo lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 > https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VYVj9fycJW/
[15:46] <wiq> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[15:46] <wiq> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Mobile
[15:47] <wiq> How can i start using amd graphic card?
[15:49] <mingdao> BugzBunny: Your question confuses me, but "man uname" might help you understand.
[15:50] <brainwash> wiq: try this: DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[15:50] <BugzBunny> mingdao: When I said that?
[15:50] <BugzBunny> mingdao: Time stamp?
[15:50] <wiq> brainwash, OpenGL renderer string: AMD CAICOS (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.13.0-38-generic, LLVM 5.0.0)
[15:50] <brainwash> there you have it
[15:51] <wiq> brainwash, so, does it mean i am using AMD graphic card now?
[15:51] <brainwash> the key is the DRI_PRIME=1 environmental variable
[15:51] <brainwash> yes
[15:52] <wiq> actaully, before asking this here I have executed all the command mentioned here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics#Using_vga_switcheroo
[15:52] <wiq> under Using vga_switcheroo
[15:52] <wiq> brainwash, ^
[15:52] <brainwash> it's not a permanent switch. you have to keep using this env var
[15:52] <wiq> How can I? brainwash
[15:53] <BugzBunny> wiq: That laptop is not Dual Graphics?
[15:53] <wiq> BugzBunny, it has dual graphics. intel and amd
[15:53] <brainwash> wiq: the linked help page may be outdated
[15:54] <wiq> Please help me sort it out I am trying to solve this from some months
[15:54] <tomreyn> mingdao: so i think you're right. in your example, 38 is the patch level, #43 is the (squentially incremented, i would think) build id. ubuntu builds packages automatically, and i assume #43 is then the 43rd build of this pkernel version with applied ubuntu patches.
[15:54] <brainwash> wiq: if you want to use the AMD gpu for a certain task, simply make sure that DRI_PRIME=1 is set
[15:55] <wiq> brainwash, not with certain task but everything
[15:55] <BugzBunny> wiq: The kernel doesn't support very well
[15:55] <BugzBunny> wiq: It's hack
[15:55] <brainwash> can't you configure that in your bios/uefi?
[15:55] <wiq> no. brainwash
[15:56] <mingdao> tomreyn: I concur. I'm needing to install another system alongside Ubuntu on a laptop, and wanted to use the same kernel .config. Then I saw those numbers, and was just curious. Patch level is indeed the thing I needed to understand, thanks.
[15:56] <BugzBunny> wiq: If it was coomplete AMD system, fine
[15:56] <wiq> BugzBunny, its ok until it works ;)
[15:56] <wiq> BugzBunny, ain't there a workaround?
[15:56] <BugzBunny> wiq: That, to make it work flawlessly
[15:56] <BugzBunny> wiq: I wish you luch
[15:57] <BugzBunny> wiq: Intel+AMD?
[15:57] <BugzBunny> Uhhhhh
[15:57] <wiq> brainwash, so, isn't there any way to use AMD for everything?
[15:57] <tomreyn> mingdao: thanks for making me reassure myself on this, too, it's the kind of things i should already know.
[15:57] <BugzBunny> It should work wiq
[15:57] <BugzBunny> What doesn't work?
[15:58] <wiq> I don't know. But as brainwash said "if you want to use the AMD gpu for a certain task, simply make sure that DRI_PRIME=1 is set"
[15:58] <madsj> I booted this morning, after having upgraded some packages, and now I can't start X11. I get a warning about "Type ONE_LEVEL RALT has only two levels" (I can't post the exact message).
[15:59] <tomreyn> wiq: you could probably add DRI_PRIME=1 to /etc/environment
[15:59] <BugzBunny> That if you want better peformance on 3D tasks
[15:59] <zend0> Does anyone have a Acer that does not have issues with GRUB2?
[15:59] <BugzBunny> Even that
[15:59] <BugzBunny> Means NOTHING
[15:59] <madsj> I tried chmod u+s /usr/bin/xinit; any tricks to remediate this problem?
[15:59] <zend0> When installing my whole screen freezes so It's something with GRUB2
[15:59] <BugzBunny> When you have those laptops with Intel+AMD
[16:00] <zend0> Tried to log for errors shows nothing plain nothing
[16:00] <tomreyn> wiq: but if you care about energy efficiency and good performance for specific tasks, being able to switch between video drivers for different workloads is actually a great feature.
[16:00] <zend0> Just frezes
[16:00] <zend0> Hello?
[16:00] <madsj> I am on Ubuntu 16.04LTS
[16:00] <zend0> On a Acer?
[16:00] <zend0> What Acer?
[16:00] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: HE is not going to get that in Linux
[16:01] <zend0> Can't even change my UEFI to Legacy mode to trust Ubuntux64 UEFI file
[16:01] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: what do you mean?
[16:01] <zend0> Fuck Acer
[16:01] <wiq> tomreyn, rn I don't care about energy efficiency. and I am not able to switch for different workloads, so thats why I want to make AMD default becasue its powerful than intel one
[16:01] <tomreyn> !language | zend0
[16:01] <zend0> I'll try Tom
[16:02] <tomreyn> wiq: why are you not able to switch for different workloads?
[16:02] <zend0> Been wasting 6 hours yesterday trying to get Ubuntu to not freeze during GRUB installation
[16:02] <zend0> Nothing... it gave me totally nothing
[16:02] <wiq> tomreyn, i don't see a option.
[16:02] <tomreyn> wiq: do you need any more assistence with this now?
[16:02] <zend0> Assistance*
[16:02] <tomreyn> wiq: the option is to use the environment variable.
[16:02] <zend0> Good op when you can't even spell
[16:03] <zend0> Yet warn others for their language.
[16:03] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: Will not because thats proprietary hardware
[16:03] <R13ose> TJ-: any updates on big ticket?
[16:03] <R13ose> bug*
[16:03] <tomreyn> zend0: i'm not a channel op, and there's no need to be so passive aggressive. i also think acer products are not great, but this does not belong here.
[16:04] <zend0> It does becauese it's a Ubuntu issue you fool
[16:04] <fayaz> hi, I am have an nvidia bumblebee primus setup for steam. It was working until an abrupt shutdown. Now when I try to run steam with primusrun, it just runs the updater and quits abruptly. I can run it without primusrun and also with optirun, but the performance is not there. Also I am seeing some segfault errors on dmesg. Any clues on where I should go from here?
[16:04] <zend0> GRUB2 installation -> everything freezes
[16:04] <wiq> tomreyn, yeah i have added DRI_PRIME=1 to /etc/environment
[16:04] <tomreyn> zend0: please stop the insults, thank you.
[16:04] <zend0> Learn to spell, thank you
[16:04] <wiq> tomreyn, will take make it default?
[16:04] <tomreyn> zend0: are you done then?
[16:04] <zend0> No
[16:04] <BugzBunny> wiq: Get rid of it, if you can find something better
[16:05] <tomreyn> !ops zend0
[16:05] <tomreyn> !ops
[16:05] <BugzBunny> wiq: IF you cannot
[16:05] <BugzBunny> wiq: What doesn't work?
[16:05] <zend0> I still want to install Ubuntu because I'm tired of running Windows
[16:05] <zend0> That was my whole point
[16:05] <Tm_T> zend0: please be nice to others, no need to go personal then
[16:05] <zend0> Windows 10 came preloaded with Windows that is issue number one
[16:06] <zend0> Issue number two: can't switch to legacy in BIOS
[16:06] <tomreyn> wiq: it will, once you've rebooted.
[16:06] <zend0> Issue number three; GRUB2 freezing during installation
[16:06] <zend0> Issue number four: Windows
[16:07] <wiq> tomreyn, thanks a lot :)
[16:07] <zend0> I was stupid enough to think that if you try to turn on Legacy mode in command prompt in Windows it would work
[16:07] <zend0> Does anyone know what the latest InsydeHD version is?
[16:08] <zend0> I have InsydeHD20 1.9 or something
[16:08] <zend0> But there must be a version like 6.05 like you have on a Toshiba
[16:08] <zend0> Is there a higher version of insydeHD BIOS?
[16:09] <zend0> And is there a ROM for?
[16:09] <tomreyn> zend0: this channel is really just for ubuntu support, but you can ask those questions on #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:09] <zend0> Shut up mate
[16:09] <zend0> It is a UB issue
[16:09] <zend0> Hoe many times do I have to repeat it's annoying
[16:09] <zend0> How**
[16:09] <simonizor> lol
[16:10] <simonizor> If you're messing with your BIOS, Ubuntu is taken out of th equation
[16:10] <zend0> Like I can't install the GarUB2 package because it freezes everything
[16:10] <zend0> Never messed with BIOS first of all
[16:10] <zend0> Left everything as it was
[16:10] <simonizor> I would hope GarUB2 freezes on install; don't think that exists :P
[16:10] <zend0> Secure boot on, f12 boot on nothing is changed or messed with.
[16:10] <zend0> It doss.
[16:10] <zend0> Does*
[16:10] <simonizor> Turn off secure boot
[16:11] <zend0> Right now I'm glad you said that and there comes a issue.
[16:11] <BugzBunny> zend0: You destroying for people who might need help
[16:11] <zend0> The issue with Acer and turning off secure boot is that it does not turn off.
[16:11] <BugzBunny> Please
[16:11] <zend0> Even if it says that it is off.
[16:11] <simonizor> Then sounds like you should probably talk to Acer
[16:11] <zend0> You need to get in to legacy mode and trust the UEFI file.
[16:11] <zend0> But I can't get in to legacy mode
[16:11] <zend0> Once you have trusted the file you can basically turn off secure boot.
[16:12] <BugzBunny> I don't like sending people to off room that they will never get help
[16:12] <Guest30401> can anyone tell me what this means: bash: 0: can't open while systemctl list-jobs | grep -v friendly-recovery | g rep -q running: do-sleep 0;2; done
[16:12] <simonizor> It means your syntax sucks
[16:12] <zend0> I guess talking to Acer is one yes. But I don't think they will ever solve it
[16:13] <Irritiable|LT> simonizor: That's what your mom said!
[16:13] <zend0> lol
[16:13] <zend0> LOL
[16:13] <simonizor> Guest30401: You've got multiple errors in that string
[16:13] <simonizor> Space in `g rep`
[16:13] <zend0> God damn irrirable shut up
[16:13] <simonizor> Piping a while loop into grep before it's finished
[16:13] <simonizor> etc
[16:13] <simonizor> None of that is going to work the way it's written there
[16:13] <BugzBunny> simonizor: Thanks for explaining
[16:13] <zend0> No one except me saw what you typed
[16:14] <Irritiable|LT> zend0: Sorry?
[16:14] <BugzBunny> simonizor: Can I ask you question?
[16:14] <zend0> No one except me saw wjat you type
[16:14] <zend0> Typed.
[16:14] <zend0> You should repeat that
[16:15] <BugzBunny> simonizor: bash: <--- that end input right? then 0:?
[16:15] <JAX> I updated from 16.04 LTS to `17.10 and now I can't login/desktop isn't showing. My background loads but it's dim on the bottom and top. It might be the gdm page but since my laptop screen is broken I can't see the login or if it's loaded the desktop
[16:15] <zend0> I'd rather stay with 16.04 LTS always did only on my Toshiba where Linux does work
[16:15] <zend0> >:(
[16:16] <_Strix_> hi
[16:16] <zend0> Look like Toshiba and the older Acer laptop models from 2009 do support Linux
[16:16] <_Strix_> BugzBunny,
[16:16] <tomreyn> JAX: how did you login previously then?
[16:16] <zend0> And Acer in 2018 does not
[16:16] <zend0> Don't blame you for not liking Acer Tom mate
[16:17] <simonizor> JAX: seems like a bad idea.  18.04 is less than a month away
[16:17] <JAX> I had it set to not require login and then disabled the laptop screen.
[16:17] <simonizor> And 17.10 will become unsupported
[16:17] <JAX> yeah, now I know
[16:17] <zend0> But I have a old model Acer from 2008 here and there I can install it on but I will need to buy a USB keyboard
[16:17] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: You problem solve?
[16:17] <zend0> Because the keys don't work anymore
[16:17] <simonizor> There's also beta releases of 18.04 you can use that will bump you to the actual release when ti comes out
[16:17] <_Strix_> No bro
[16:17] <tomreyn> in case anyone else feels like ignoring zend0's off-topic chat, this command will do it: /ignore zend0
[16:17] <zend0> Shut up matw
[16:17] <zend0> Mate
[16:17] <zend0> It is still ubuntu related
[16:18] <simonizor> zend0: shove it :P
[16:18] <R13ose> Mate
[16:18] <zend0> Your chatting is irrelevajt
[16:18] <zend0> Shut uonsimon
[16:18] <zend0> Irrelevant*****
[16:18] <zend0> Simonizor*
[16:18] <simonizor> lol
[16:18] <zend0> But yeah
[16:18] <simonizor> But yeah
[16:18] <simonizor> Your issue is with Acer
[16:18] <simonizor> Go talk to them
[16:18] <_Strix_> BugzBunny, The VPS was given to me by an Executive in my company. Before telling them to check the issue with them, I need to confirm something.
[16:19] <zend0> So i have a 2008 laptop where Ubuntu is still able to install on would it be worth to put it on that one?
[16:19] <zend0> Because it only has 2GB of RAM
[16:19] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What was it? I remember, contact the VPS
[16:19] <zend0> 3GB of RAM**
[16:19] <tomreyn> JAX: do you have nvidia graphics there?
[16:19] <zend0> And old processor
[16:19] <zend0> Any ideas?
[16:19] <JAX> is there a way to force disable laptop screen so from tty?
[16:19] <BugzBunny> You can do that JAX
[16:19] <BugzBunny> DPM
[16:20] <simonizor> _Strix_: There's no way that VPS should have that kernel version; talk to the person who provided the VPS to you
[16:20] <_Strix_> Could you please confirm that the kernel 4.13 is not fully supported by Ubuntu 14.04.5
[16:20] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: He can do that but I don't commands
[16:20] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: You can turn of the screen from command line
[16:20] <zend0> Wait
[16:20] <simonizor> _Strix_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[16:20] <_Strix_> simonizor, ok I will ask them.
[16:20] <simonizor> That shows you that the latest kernel 14.04 supports is 4.4
[16:21] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: ok
[16:21] <zend0> Look at this old piece of junk
[16:21] <zend0> https://gyazo.com/8b098abf32e49e6c6afcc77913ac353c
[16:21] <zend0> Looks bad
[16:22] <JAX> when it's on the dimmed screen with my background sometimes the mouse doesn't work even though it's powered
[16:22] <zend0> https://gyazo.com/8b098abf32e49e6c6afcc77913ac353c
[16:22] <zend0> Bad shape laptop
[16:23] <_Strix_> Guys, If I download the ISO of Ubuntu 14.04.5 available as of now, and install it. What will be the kernel version?
[16:23] <tomreyn> _Strix_: 4.4
[16:24] <JAX> Problems: dimmed background with nothing (no login screen or desktop loads) so I can't tell if I'm at login or desktop. On some boots the usb pepherials don't work
[16:24] <JAX> no context menu shows up when I right click
[16:24] <_Strix_> The kernel version of my VPS is 4.13.13-4-pve
[16:25] <simonizor> _Strix_: Contact your VPS provider and tell them they are giving you a kernel that is unsupported in 14.04
[16:25] <tomreyn> _Strix_: what do you mean to say with this?
[16:26] <designbybeck3> What is the best way to manage a custom install list of program? I did try to write up a script of some of the popular programs we wanted installed on these public access computers. I just typed up a google doc with added ppa's and such and we'd copy and paste that to the other machines to make sure they all have the same
[16:26] <BugzBunny>  _Strix_ Okay
[16:26] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: It's a pretty good Kernel
[16:26] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What isn't working?
[16:26] <_Strix_> So, it is an unsupported kernel?
[16:27] <BugzBunny> For Ubuntu
[16:27] <simonizor> designbybeck3: sudo apt install -y $(cat ./install-list)
[16:27] <BugzBunny> Yes
[16:27] <_Strix_> for 14.04.5
[16:27] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: I know PVE
[16:27] <tomreyn> _Strix_: not supported by us here, nor by Canonical. but maybe by someone else.
[16:27] <simonizor> Where `./install-list` has packages separated by a single space
[16:27] <JAX> What time is usually the best time for support? Is 17.10 still supported?
[16:27] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: What is not working?
[16:27] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: how many computers are there?
[16:28] <jluc> 17.10 is most recent jax
[16:28] <designbybeck3> 3 right now tomreyn....maybe up to 10 if we get the laptops working
[16:28] <JAX> cool. Can I get support for my issue directly from cononical?
[16:28] <_Strix_> It is in here, https://pastebin.com/m9dFQa8g
[16:29] <simonizor> designbybeck3: I'd just list the packages in a file and use the method above to install them
[16:29] <simonizor> Any automated method provided by apt does not work well
[16:29] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you're saying "public access computers", i guess then it would be nice to have them reinstalled regularly / on the push of a button?
[16:29] <simonizor> Packages that are installed by apt's automatic method lose the ability to track their dependencies well
[16:29] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Right
[16:29] <_Strix_> I will be back in a moment
[16:29] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Sorry, for specific problem
[16:29] <_Strix_> Let me ask them about the VPS
[16:29] <BugzBunny> With that
[16:30] <BugzBunny> You going get KVM
[16:30] <BugzBunny> Not openVZ
[16:30] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: simonizor this is along the lines of what I've done https://hastebin.com/jaturohaja.md
[16:30] <designbybeck3> also this: https://hastebin.com/imihuwipov.cs
[16:30] <simonizor> I would just keep doing that
[16:30] <BugzBunny> _Strix_: Sorry, I CAN'T YOU with that, BECAUSE it's impossible
[16:30] <simonizor> An install script is a good method here
[16:30] <tomreyn> JAX: there's the ubuntu advantage offer where i think you're entitled to support. do a web search or look for it on canonical.com
[16:31] <simonizor> The methods that apt provides for installing packages autmoatically do not work well
[16:31] <hggdh> simonizor: ?
[16:31] <hggdh> simonizor: apt works quite well
[16:31] <hggdh> and does take care of dependencies
[16:31] <simonizor> The only method I'm aware of makes the installed packages lose their ability to track their deps
[16:31] <designbybeck3> ok. Thanks! I'm trying to learn to be more treamline down the road....but I'll just start with the basics!
[16:31] <simonizor> hggdh: Not at all what I'm talking about
[16:32] <designbybeck3> streamline
[16:32] <designbybeck3> hmmm
[16:32] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: your script lacks error handling, but other than that that's what i would do, too. i'd probably integrate it tino a preseed file to also be able to deploy systems from scratch on demand.
[16:32] <JAX> tomreyn: oh you have to pay, that sucks, where else can I get support for my issue?
[16:33] <designbybeck3> that sounds good as well tomreyn thanks
[16:33] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you could also be using puppet or ansible or salt or chef to automate this more and also apply configuration customizations on these systems. but based onthe scenario you described so far this would be overkill.
[16:34] <designbybeck3> yeah I'd like to learn those advanced stuff, but don't have the skills at the moment.
[16:34] <tomreyn> JAX: besides here, there's also ubuntuforums and aksubuntu.com
[16:35] <BugzBunny> askubuntu.com
[16:35] <designbybeck3> are these the same "add-apt-repository" vs "apt-add-repository"
[16:36] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: to get you started with error checking, "echo $?" returns the exit code of the latest command. exit codes other than 0 are considered errors.
[16:36] <rares> hi
[16:36] <tomreyn> thanks for fixing my typo, BugzBunny
[16:37] <JAX> what's a good time to get support? It's pretty late here in Australia, and I want to get this fixed before bed.
[16:37] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: so on my bash script I'd put the echo $? at the end of each line?
[16:37] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: run "readlink -f" against them
[16:37] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: I was thinking he might literal type that site
[16:37] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: And it doesn't work
[16:37] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: yes, thanks
[16:38] <hggdh> JAX: it really varies. I guess EU/US hours are better, and Mon-FRI even more
[16:38] <rares> how can I install LXDE on ubuntu?
[16:38] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you can also do somehting like this: echo success || echo "echo success' did not succeed
[16:39] <designbybeck3> ok I"ll looking those as well
[16:39] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: which "echo success" will always return exit code 0, if it ever returned a different status code, the part behind the double pipe would kick in
[16:40] <designbybeck3> ah ok
[16:40] <tomreyn> echo success || echo "'echo success' did not succeed"
[16:40] <designbybeck3> so my simple "echo" would be replaced by this success || line
[16:40] <tomreyn> ^ typos fixed
[16:41] <BugzBunny> Whatever was last in II
[16:41] <BugzBunny> ||
[16:41] <zend0> U da best
[16:41] <zend0> Tom
[16:41] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: a better example is: apt-get -y install libreoffice || echo 'libreoffice failed to install'
[16:42] <BugzBunny> The first command have to be zero
[16:42] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: try this with a package that doesn't exist
[16:42] <designbybeck3> ok
[16:42] <BugzBunny> For the second command to execute
[16:43] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: https://hastebin.com/raw/ilecugiyuj
[16:44] <designbybeck3> oops sorry for the no wordwrap there
[16:44] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: If the second command does excute
[16:45] <BugzBunny> Mean the first command failed
[16:45] <designbybeck3> doh!
[16:45] <BugzBunny> Why ask for help designbybeck3 ?
[16:45] <zerorax>  anyone have a guide for adding ubiquity to my rootfs and making it a live usb installer?
[16:45] <designbybeck3> because I'm trying to learn BugzBunny
[16:45] <_Strix_> Ok guys I have sent a mail to him regarding the concern.
[16:45] <_Strix_> Thank you for your help.
[16:45] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: doh! is terrible response
[16:46] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: yes this looks fine, except for the typographical quotation marks, those wont work
[16:46] <designbybeck3> shows that I didn't comprehend what I thought I did
[16:46] <xgpt> hello can someone say "xgpt" without the quotes, I'm testing my irc software
[16:47] <designbybeck3> Ok thanks for all the feedback folks. I'm going to work on that harder part in trying to figure out what all we want and don't want now!!! ;)
[16:47] <compdoc> xgpt
[16:47] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: good luck. :) also consider logging to a file using output redirection.
[16:48] <designbybeck3> tomreyn:  like  >> installlog.txt
[16:49] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: make that: &>> installlog.txt
[16:49] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: As if I thought you were idiot
[16:49] <zend0> https://imgur.com/gallery/IOdY6
[16:49] <BugzBunny> designbybeck3: I didn't judge you
[16:50] <zend0> Look peeps
[16:50] <tomreyn> designbybeck3: you want to catch both output streams, stedout and stderr
[16:50] <zend0> Got eem
[16:50] <BugzBunny> With that said, I tried you command
[16:50] <BugzBunny> There was not bash error
[16:50] <BugzBunny> Most apt-get error
[16:51] <designbybeck3> ah!... I haven't used this in about 3 years...so that is why I need to check what all packages we want. I have always found it best to get things like Kdenlive from their most updated PPA for the best features and stabliity
[16:51] <BugzBunny> Actually it was my end
[16:51] <tomreyn> BugzBunny: actually "doh! is terrible response" sounded like judging to me.
[16:51] <BugzBunny> It was my end
[16:51] <BugzBunny> Give me a sec
[16:52] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: I mean judging him
[16:52] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: Don't care he juddying me
[16:52] <designbybeck3> I was thinking of a custom distro like UbuntuStudio that lets you check box what you want at install if you didn't need , say, desktop publishing items
[16:52] <BugzBunny> or she
[16:52] <SomeDamnBody> Hey, I need to get a version of libffi with debug symbols
[16:53] <SomeDamnBody> And the problem is that I have libffi6-dbg installed, but that doesn't mean that the file at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so has debug symbols
[16:53] <SomeDamnBody> How do I custom build libffi so that I can get those debug symbols?
[16:54] <BugzBunny> E: Package 'celestia-gnome' has no installation candidate
[16:54] <BugzBunny> The second command won't run
[16:54] <BugzBunny> Also, that's OR not AND
[16:55] <lupineay> I need some help with sound in ubuntu..the sound card crashes i guess..the spot on the settings where it says play sound through goes blank and apps can't play sound but i can restart pulseaudio and it can work for a while...I've even tried load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,3 adding this to the default.pa in pulseaudio..I have a PCH [HDA Intel PCH] I also ading some recommded changes to alsa but it
[16:55] <lupineay> seems to crash after a period of time..any ideas??
[16:55] <BugzBunny> The second will run
[16:55] <BugzBunny> Because it's a OR
[16:56] <BugzBunny> tomreyn: My bash skills sucks
[16:56] <BugzBunny> I don't why you want that logic
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> BugzBunny: easy on the enter button please
[16:57] <BugzBunny> K
[16:58] <BugzBunny> lotuspsychje: You staff in this room?
[16:58] <secretmessage> I need sudo to copy files from my home to a USB hard disk?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> BugzBunny: join #ubuntu-discuss for other chat then ubuntu support please
[16:59] <BugzBunny> lotuspsychje: You signed the code of coduct?
[16:59] <hggdh> secretmessage: if you own the files, and your userId can write to the USB, no
[16:59] <hggdh> BugzBunny: please keep to support
[16:59] <BugzBunny> I like to know who is staff?
[16:59] <secretmessage> hggdh: I don't see the usb hard disk when I do df -h
[16:59] <secretmessage> I think it is not mounted
[17:00] <hggdh> secretmessage: then you need to mount it
[17:00] <hggdh> secretmessage: but, to see what is mounted, use 'mount', not 'df'
[17:02] <BugzBunny> hggdh: Have you signed the code of conduct?
[17:03] <hggdh> BugzBunny: not a support question. Please keep to support, or go #ubuntu-discuss
[17:04] <hggdh> BugzBunny: but, since this applies to all: usage of the channel implies acceptance of the CoC
[17:05] <BugzBunny> hggdh: If you didn't sign the code of conduct, who give you that authority ?
[17:05] <hggdh> BugzBunny: last warning. Please keep to support or go elsewhere
[17:06] <BugzBunny> So, you signed the code of conduct then
[17:06] <mirak> h
[17:06] <mirak> I can't do drag and drop in nautilus on aardvark
[17:06] <mirak> is that a bug ?
[17:07] <mirak> on gnomeshell
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> mirak: drag n drop what to what?
[17:07] <mirak> lotuspsychje, anything
[17:07] <mirak> if i didn't specify
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> mirak: tell us what happens when you drag a file into a folder and release mousebutton?
[17:09] <ramkamx> greetings
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: welcome, how can we help you?
[17:09] <ramkamx> i'm looking for a way to simulate a hard disk :-)
[17:10] <mirak> I click on the file icon, it highlights, stayclicked, then drag it, and it won't come
[17:10] <ramkamx> like a honeypot sort of
[17:10] <lupineay> I need some help with sound in ubuntu..the sound card crashes i guess..the spot on the settings where it says play sound through goes blank and apps can't play sound but i can restart pulseaudio and it can work for a while...I've even tried load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,3 adding this to the default.pa in pulseaudio..I have a PCH [HDA Intel PCH] I also ading some recommded changes to alsa but it
[17:10] <lupineay> 16:55 <lupineay> seems to crash after a period of time..any ideas??
[17:10] <mirak> also multi file grab doesn't work
[17:10] <mirak> so maybe i need to reinitialise settings or something, I didn't tried with a clean user to test yet
[17:10] <lupineay> I need some help with sound in ubuntu..the sound card crashes i guess..the spot on the settings where it says play sound through goes blank and apps can't play sound but i can restart pulseaudio and it can work for a while...I've even tried load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,3 adding this to the default.pa in pulseaudio..I have a PCH [HDA Intel PCH] I also ading some recommded changes to alsa but it
[17:10] <lupineay> seems to crash after a period of time..any ideas??
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: jailfire, snort?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> mirak: did you try instead of highlight, just drag and release?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: virtual machine perhaps?
[17:11] <ramkamx> lotuspsychje: snort is for network ... jailfire looking for it
[17:11] <ramkamx> vm no, it will make a real hard disk
[17:12] <mirak> lotuspsychje, you can't drag without highlightinh
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ramkamx: can you tell us more of the purpose exactly?
[17:12] <vlt> ramkamx: Just losetup?
[17:12] <ramkamx> the idea is to clone the structure (just files and folders, no data) of an external hard disk, then move files around, compare the new and old, and apply some bash
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> mirak: i just dragged a file into a folder in nautilus, works like a charm here
[17:13] <mirak> i have to reset nautilus settings or something
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> mirak: how about you go try in the guest account as a test?
[17:14] <mirak> lotuspsychje, i don't have one
[17:14] <vlt> ramkamx: You don't even need a separate file system for that. Just a directory.
[17:14] <mirak> but i will create a user
[17:14] <ramkamx> vlt, more?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> mirak: the guest account is default on ubuntu, you dont have to create one
[17:14] <ramkamx> vlt: tried some time ago with symlinks, things get ugly at some point
[17:14] <vlt> ramkamx: You can use something like "find" and "touch" to get this job done.
[17:15] <ramkamx> vlt: yeah could do that. it gets tedious quite quickly and it's nowhere near fast
[17:16] <Diarmuid> qui veu baiser
[17:16] <vlt> ramkamx: What is it you actually want to achieve then?
[17:16] <tomreyn> !ot | Diarmuid
[17:16] <BugzBunny> lupineay: Hardly the sound card would crash
[17:16] <ramkamx> what i wont to do is relatively simple, it's just about organizing the contents of about 10 external hard disks, by choosing what i move where, then, commit once i"m decided
[17:16] <vlt> ramkamx: There's LVM.
[17:17] <ramkamx> vlt, now we're talking :-)
[17:17] <ramkamx> taking a look
[17:17] <lupineay> BugzBunny: so what is it when the different options in sounds play through on the settings disappear?
[17:17] <BugzBunny> lupineay: The sound card drivers is part of the kernel, the kernel would panic if that happen
[17:17] <lupineay> so why are the options disappearing and sounds not working on certain apps?
[17:17] <BugzBunny> lupineay: The problem could be mixuture of the drivers and pulseaudio
[17:17] <vlt> ramkamx: Your last post before my LVM suggestion doesn't sound like LVM would be of much help.
[17:17] <Valette> ana
[17:17] <s10gopal> can anyone please tell me output of git describe --contains  301f8d7463b1f3d1fdb56ee1cb4abb674094531d ?
[17:18] <ramkamx> vlt, yeah maybe LVM is too far fetched
[17:18] <hggdh> s10gopal: contextless reference
[17:18] <lupineay> BugzBunny: does pulseaudio generate logs
[17:18] <ramkamx> isn't there a viable utility that allows to catalog an external hard disk and manage delayed "move, rename, delete" ?
[17:18] <s10gopal> hggdh: i dont have any linux machine now , thats why i want output of that command
[17:19] <BugzBunny> lupineay: I'd like to see what ALSA sees
[17:19] <hggdh> s10gopal: git describe <commit> will list the most recent tag associated with the commit
[17:19] <BugzBunny> Pulseaudio crashes
[17:19] <xgpt> is there a way to make a (non)raspberry-pi running pretty much straight up Ubuntu, mainline kernels etc. reboot into a shell RELIABLY after a hard-power-cycle EVERY time even if there's file system corruption? Is there a way to automate file system checking and then also make sure that the file system check happens, does what it can to save/correct files, and then reboot automatically if it can't boot from
[17:19] <ramkamx> vlt, basically, i want to organize multiple disks, with the comfort of the GUI and without having to connect all the 10 disks at the same time
[17:19] <xgpt> that post-filesystem-check state?
[17:20] <BugzBunny> hggdh: So, you signed the code of conduct?
[17:20] <s10gopal> hggdh: can you please tell me output ?
[17:20] <lupineay> BugzBunny: does alsa have output logs
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !arm | xgpt can this help?
[17:21] <xgpt> not really ubottu lol, but thanks
[17:22] <tomreyn> s10gopal: this command is specific to a git repository you need to have checked out beforehand.
[17:23] <s10gopal> tomreyn: it is linux repo git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git
[17:23] <kostkon> lupineay, you could try refreshing your pulse config with   rm -rf ~/.config/pulse   then  pulseaudio -k  and  then  pulseaudio -D
[17:23] <ramkamx> vlt: basically, i'm looking of an equivalent of this - https://www.wincatalog.com
[17:23] <tomreyn> s10gopal: right, not everyone has a copy.
[17:24] <s10gopal> tomreyn: how i can check it online ?
[17:25] <tomreyn> s10gopal: that's maybe a question for #git or #linux
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> !alis > s10gopal very handy for specific questions in the right channels
[17:25] <hggdh> s10gopal: go to https://kernel.org, you can browse the kernel git trees there
[17:25] <tomreyn> s10gopal: replacing git:// by https:// in the reposiotry url may help
[17:26] <s10gopal> thx
[17:28] <dot-matrix> Does anyone know a way to install or built the network mapper app nutty that actually works?
[17:28] <dot-matrix> I've done my googling due diligence
[17:29] <mirak> lotuspsychje, it works with other account
[17:30] <zerorax> can I resize my rootfs from inside the installed system?
[17:30] <zerorax> or do I need to use live usb to do it?
[17:30] <mirak> i did that : gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.nautilus
[17:30] <mirak> and it works now
[17:31] <EriC^^> zerorax: no, you need a live usb
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> !yay | mirak
[17:31] <zerorax> EriC^^, okay thanks
[17:32] <zerorax> There should be some way to resize without a live usb, like a mini kernel with parted on it and maybe a curses menu
[17:32] <zerorax> so you could tell it to reboot into the partitioning kernel and do what you selected then you can boot back into the system
[17:32] <zerorax> I have a windows partitioning tool that does that, but it was expensive
[17:33] <petro> I have a question that is not really about support...do I ask in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> petro: what kind of question do you mean?
[17:33] <petro> I wanted opinions about using amd radeon cards vs nvidia... I wonder if I should switch to a radeon card
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> petro: ##hardware would be suitable
[17:34] <petro> lotuspsychje, is that ubuntu/linux centric?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> petro: not really linux specific no, if your question is about ubuntu, you can use #ubuntu-discuss
[17:35] <petro> lotuspsychje, okay, thanks
[17:38] <vlt> zerorax: You _can_ resize without a live CD (as long as you increase the size).
[17:38] <zerorax> I need to decrease it
[17:38] <vlt> zerorax: Then you can try to do it from initramfs. Should be possible.
[17:38] <zerorax> I need to have space on my NVMe to install my ubuntu variant to
[17:48] <amatias> Olá
[17:48] <Nastya> Hej!
[17:49] <tomreyn> !br | amatias
[17:49] <tomreyn> that's unless you're happy speaking english
[17:49] <amatias> Ok, Tank's
[17:56] <alpha__> can some one help with a broken ubunt
[17:57] <compdoc> whats the proble
[17:58] <alpha__> cannot boot from the advance screen
[17:58] <alpha__> keep getting a blank screen
[17:59] <compdoc> did it ever work?
[17:59] <alpha__> yes untill i done a upgrde
[18:00] <alpha__> i need to restore all my data which is in its own home partition on my hdd
[18:01] <alpha__> all my broswer links etc and documents
[18:01] <alpha__> so ubuntu was installed on sda2 and home on sda3 partition
[18:01] <compdoc> you can reach the advance screeen? can you boot from there?
[18:02] <alpha__> i can get into the advance screen
[18:02] <alpha__> and get a menu
[18:03] <compdoc> you might want to edit grub. they probably updated it
[18:03] <alpha__> what do i need to edit?
[18:04] <compdoc> they would have saved the old conf file as .old, or something
[18:04] <alpha__> ok so what do i need to do?
[18:07] <compdoc> I would boot a live cd version of ubuntu, then mount the drive and have a look
[18:07] <compdoc> look in /boot/grub
[18:08] <compdoc> see if they saved your old .cfg
[18:11] <alpha__> so if i boot from dvd or usb in live boot
[18:12] <alpha__> then look in the boot folder of the broken system
[18:12] <alpha__> on sda2
[18:12] <compdoc> right
[18:14] <compdoc> do you remember setting a grub option to deal with your screen when you first installed?
[18:14] <alpha__> in what respect?
[18:15] <compdoc> theres a common option people set named nomodeset
[18:15] <compdoc> thats never helped me, but it helps some
[18:16] <alpha__> i have booted from live boot and looking in boot/grub folder i see grub.cfg
[18:16] <compdoc> yes
[18:16] <compdoc> do you see a grub.cfg.old
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[18:17] <alpha__> no
[18:17] <mindofmateo> Hello, I just set my launcher/application menu to "hide" by sliding into the edge of the display when it isn't being used, however now whenever I move the cursor over to the edge to get it to pop out, it is beneath all of the open windows.  How can I change this so it is always on top?
[18:17] <compdoc> make sure youve mounted your drive
[18:18] <alpha__> yes drive is mounted
[18:19] <AJ2> hello
[18:19] <compdoc> then have a look in /var/logs
[18:19] <compdoc> there are a couple logs that might show you the errors
[18:20] <compdoc> */var/log
[18:20] <alpha__> what logs do i need to look at
[18:21] <compdoc> one might be the apt logs. see what was updates. do you use a propritory video drivers?
[18:22] <AJ2> Hi All.  I need some help with my Ubuntu 16.04.  On my netwrok all my devices have an IP as 192.168..xxx, but for some reason the IP on my Ubuntu server is 192.168.10.x.  Due to this reason I am not able to ssh into theis machien from the same network and moreoever from outside my home network. In my router settings I do not even see this ubuntu pc; therefore I can safely say I have not assigned a static IP to this machine on my router.
[18:22] <compdoc> *what ws updated
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> AJ2: try #ubuntu-server channel
[18:24] <alpha__> im not sure on the video drivers thin generic
[18:24] <compdoc> thats good
[18:25] <vlt> AJ2: 192.168.10.x is part of 192.168.x.x.  What exactly is the problem?
[18:25] <compdoc> is anything showing in the dmesg log? scroll to bottom and look for errors
[18:26] <AJ2> vlt... my mistake. every device on my network is 192.168.1.x
[18:26] <AJ2> but this ubuntu is on 192.168.10.x
[18:26] <TJ-> AJ2: is this the CM1000 > netgear nighthawk > ... issue still?
[18:26] <alpha__> on what log file?
[18:27] <AJ2> this ubuntu machine is hardwired into my switch, so I do't understand where its getting this 192.168.10.x from
[18:27] <AJ2> yes TJ
[18:27] <vlt> AJ2: Did you get this IP address via DHCP?
[18:27] <AJ2> its getting frustrated
[18:27] <AJ2> vlt: I am assuming so
[18:27] <TJ-> AJ2: do you have a physical console on the PC?
[18:28] <AJ2> by physical console, if you mean a dedicated pc, then yes
[18:28] <TJ-> AJ2: when you left last time I think we'd got an idea what might be going on... but I've forgotten now! Let me review my logs
[18:28] <TJ-> AJ2: no, I mean do you have physical monitor and keyboard access?
[18:28] <AJ2> yes
[18:28] <vlt> AJ2: You could try to assign a second IP address manually to something like eth0:0, for example, and try to ping. The problem might be a collision if the address is already taken.
[18:29] <AJ2> problem with assigig a second ip is that I won't be able to access the ubuntu machone from outside my network, which is my real purpose
[18:31] <AJ2> I don't if this matters, but previously this machine has centos on it.  Didn't need it, so I installed ubuntu over it now..
[18:32] <TJ-> AJ2: ok, this is where we got to:
[18:32] <TJ-> 2018-04-06 09:09:41     TJ-     tomreyn: Are you able to continue with AJ3 sorting out the IP address issue? Looks like the nighthawk might have the wrong MAC address
[18:32] <TJ->  in the address reservation - that has to match the PC it's assigned to so needs comparing to the Ubuntu PC.
[18:32] <AJ2> so there was no address reservation
[18:32] <Kumool> how do you bind media keys?
[18:32] <Kumool> is it impossible?
[18:33] <TJ-> AJ2: can the PC ping any other device on the LAN?
[18:33] <AJ2> let me check
[18:35] <AJ2> When I try to ping a pc on the 192.168.1.x from the ubuntu machine it just hangs..by that i mean it doesn't return anything
[18:35] <brainwash> Kumool: does the cli tool "xev" detect those keys when you press them?
[18:35] <AJ2> It makes sense that it can not do that because the subnets are different
[18:35] <Kumool> brainwash, it does, but it shows them as 0 0 0 0
[18:36] <brainwash> Kumool: without a unique key name?
[18:36] <Kumool> brainwash, xmodmap shows the keycode
[18:36] <s10gopal> now ubuntu 18.04lts features are final or still more will be added ?
[18:36] <brainwash> Kumool: I guess then you should be able to map them
[18:36] <AJ2> You think formatting my machine and doing a fresh install woud make a difference?  Maybe something ogt left there from the time when centos was installed?
[18:37] <TJ-> AJ2: what's the name of the wired interface "ip link show" ?
[18:37] <AJ2> enp3s0
[18:37] <TJ-> AJ2: no, I don't think so. We can manually get it on the LAN so we can pastebin some diagnostics from it
[18:37] <s10gopal> TJ-: on git bisect i am on commit what is in v4.12-rc7 , it is correct ?
[18:38] <TJ-> AJ2: OK, get it on the LAN with: "sudo ip addr add 192.168.1.234/24 dev enp3s0"
[18:38] <TJ-> s10gopal: I've not been following; I though jsalisbury was dealing with it
[18:39] <AJ2> ok
[18:39] <AJ2> done... but still when i do a ifconfig, it still shows only 192.168.10.101
[18:39] <TJ-> AJ2: now add a default route: "sudo ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp3s0"
[18:39] <s10gopal> TJ-: i am just asking general question , i am doing bisect , 4.12 and 4.13-rc1 and git bisect is on commit which is on v4.12-rc7 , how it is possible ? v4.12-rc7 is older than v4.12
[18:40] <TJ-> AJ2: use 'ip' not ifconfig: "ip addr show dev enp3s0"
[18:41] <AJ2> it returns file exists on the last command you wanted me to do
[18:41] <BillyCrook> I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask  which nic to use to download the preseed file!  Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link,  that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
[18:41] <TJ-> AJ2: ok, that means it may have added it, check if there is already a default route: "ip route show"
[18:41] <BillyCrook> I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask  which nic to use to download the preseed file!  Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link,  that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
[18:41] <BillyCrook> I'm playing around with preseed to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts the automated install to ask  which nic to use to download the preseed file!  Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to redhat's ksdevice=link,  that would tell the installer environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
[18:41] <TJ-> AJ2: then try "ping 192.168.1.1" (that *is* the nighthawk address isn't it) ?
[18:41] <AJ2> ok.. i did the ip addrs show enp3s0 and I see the 192.168.1.234
[18:42] <AJ2> yes, that i shte ip address of the nighthawk
[18:42] <BillyCrook> shoot, sorry for flooding, having a terminal problm here
[18:43]  * BillyCrook needs to read irssi manual
[18:43] <TJ-> AJ2: so, the PC may not have DNS resolving but it should be able to reach IP addresses on your LAN, and hopefully on the Internet (if the default route is set)
[18:43] <TJ-> AJ2: it's a 16.04 ubuntu-server install is that correct?
[18:45] <AJ2> correct TJ
[18:46] <TJ-> AJ2: on the Ubuntu PC run this command to collect the syslog then give us the URL it reports: "tail -n 2500 /var/log/syslog | nc 5.39.93.71 9999 "
[18:46] <TJ-> AJ2: I'm eating dinner now so will be slower responding, but report the URL and I'll start reviewing the log
[18:48] <AJ2> http://termbin.com/orxm
[18:48] <BillyCrook> that's cool.  is termbin your peojrct TJ-?
[18:50] <TJ-> AJ2: interesting, the PC is requesting the 10.101 address... but that log seems to be missing messages from just beforehand. Lets try to find them! What time/date does this show? "ls -l /var/log/syslog.1" ?
[18:51] <AJ2> Apr 7 06:25
[18:52] <TJ-> AJ2: ahh, so logrotate ran right in the middle of the bits we want so we have to check 2 files! show us "tail -n 2500 /var/log/syslog.1 | nc 5.39.93.71 9999"
[18:53] <AJ2> http://termbin.com/wui5
[18:54] <TJ-> AJ2: are you sure typed syslog.1 there? the content is identical
[18:54] <s10gopal> !help nc
[18:55] <AJ2> http://termbin.com/t2ea
[18:55] <TJ-> AJ2: that's better! Give me a few minutes to read it
[18:56] <TJ-> AJ2: the interesting bit starts at "Apr  6 11:03:38 " where it requests a DHCP lease
[18:57] <AJ2> yea i noticed that
[18:57] <phenoble> Hi everyone. A quick question:  I am noticing that ~/.profile is not being read by neither the virtual terminals ( the ones reachable via C-M-Fn ), nor e.g. the root terminal on the boot menu.
[18:57] <TJ-> AJ2: you notice that the DHCP /server/ is 192.168.10.1 ? Isn't that your VoIP phone device!?
[18:57] <AJ2> i was trying some dhclient command last night trying to renew it
[18:58] <TJ-> AJ2: you *cannot* have 2 DHCP server's on the same segment - the nighthawk should be the only one
[18:58] <phenoble> Now, how am I supposed to idiomatically set my environment in all circumstances / scenarios, e.g. X server GUI, virtual terminals, and a root terminal?
[18:58] <AJ2> let me check my router
[18:59] <TJ-> AJ2: simple test - power off or unplug the network from the VoIP device, then reboot the Ubuntu PC
[18:59] <akik> phenoble: did you try $HOME/.bash_profile ?
[18:59] <AJ2> so according my nighthawk, the voip phone has ip address of 192.168.1.9
[19:00] <TJ-> AJ2: something in your network is operating on 192.168.10.1 and is offering DHCP which your Ubuntu PC is then talking to
[19:00] <TJ-> AJ2: I'd check what you've got the Ubuntu PC plugged into physically because it isn't the nighthawk!
[19:00] <phenoble> akik:  no. I have my default shell set to zsh, so I didn't think about bash.
[19:01] <akik> phenoble: ah ok. sorry i've only used bash
[19:01] <akik> phenoble: man zsh will probably list the initialization files
[19:01] <AJ2> i have 1 test i can do... it will take me offline here for a moment, but I will be back.  I'll plug my ubuntu machine from the switch right into the wall which i know is connected my router
[19:02] <AJ2> this will bypass my switch and voip
[19:02] <phenoble> akik:  I just created a copy of .profile, named .bash_profile, and logged into another virtual terminal:  same behaviour. Not being sourced/loaded.
[19:02] <TJ-> AJ2: I suspect you've got the VoIP device connected to the switch, and it is grabbing the DHCP session, not the nighthawk. You cannot have 2 DHCP servers on the same ethernet segment
[19:03] <AJ2> yes, the vopi devie is conneted to the switch
[19:03] <AJ2> so does a vopi device act as a dhcp server>
[19:03] <jluc> Hello
[19:03] <akik> phenoble: yes it's for bash, not for zsh
[19:04] <AJ2> but according my router --> attached devices... the vopi device has 192.168.1.9 IP
[19:04] <TJ-> AJ2: most do, because you connect 'dumb' phone devices to them so they have to give out IP addresses
[19:04] <akik> phenoble: https://shreevatsa.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/zshbash-startup-files-loading-order-bashrc-zshrc-etc/
[19:04] <TJ-> AJ2: Check the admin console for the VoIP device, I bet it's operating a DHCP server on 192.168.10.1
[19:05] <AJ2> let me restart my ubuntu first and see if this solves
[19:05] <TJ-> AJ2: if it isn't the device then there's something else on you network operating on that address with a DHCP server active
[19:05] <akik> phenoble: that seems to imply ~/.zshrc is always executed
[19:05] <phenoble> akik:  thank you, yes. That's the post I created my setup from, and have my current understanding about it all from ^^.
[19:05] <phenoble> akik:  I was expecting the virtual terminals and the root terminal to be login shells.
[19:05] <AJ2> whats the reboot command thru terminl?
[19:06] <TJ-> AJ2: for Linux? "sudo systemctl reboot"
[19:06] <akik> phenoble: i think they are for the virtual consoles?
[19:06] <phenoble> akik:  .zshrc is not the correct place to set the environment. You don't want this to happen every time a zsh is opened, e.g. in a tmux split.
[19:06] <AJ2> so what i have done is unplugged the power o my voip
[19:07] <AJ2> and am restarting my ubuntu now
[19:07] <TJ-> AJ2: how many ports does the switch have? how many are connected, and what to?
[19:08] <AJ2> i be damned... resarted ubintu and it has ip now of 192.168.1.100
[19:08] <TJ-> AJ2: yep. As I expected
[19:08] <AJ2> so how do i get my vopi phone to work
[19:09] <AJ2> so it has 8 ports
[19:09] <AJ2> i wonder if i turn on my voip now
[19:09] <AJ2> the ubuntu machione should not get a new ip from it
[19:09] <TJ-> AJ2: ahow many ethernet ports does the voip device have?
[19:11] <AJ2> just a LAN and internet port
[19:11] <TJ-> AJ2: right, and the 'Internet' port should be directly connected to the Nighthawk, and the LAN port to the phones... but you /cannot/ connect the LAN side to a switch if the nighthawk is also connected to that switch
[19:12] <TJ-> AJ2: because the VoIP device is operating a DHCP server on the LAN side, with the 192.168.10.1 subnet, which must be on a separate Ethernet segment
[19:13] <AJ2> so all i needed was the vouip to be connected to the intenet port and not lan port
[19:13] <AJ2> so looking at my setup now.. i had internet port and lan port going to my switch... :) Ohhh... LOL
[19:15] <TJ-> AJ2: network should look like this. Two Ethernet segments.  PCs <> LAN switch <> nighthawk <> Internet Port < VoIP > LAN Port > VoIP only switch > phones
[19:16] <TJ-> AJ2: the VoIP device is a gateway/router too, for the phones.
[19:16] <AJ2> now i setup port fowarding to that ubuntu... let me see if ican ssh into now
[19:18] <AJ2> it works
[19:19] <TJ-> AJ2: thank %$^&! for that !
[19:19] <AJ2> thank you so much TJ
[19:19] <phenoble> akik:  apparently, $WINDOWID is not set in terminals that were not spawned in X. This can be made used to set up the environment in .zshrc, if necessary.
[19:20] <phenoble> akik: problem solved, thank you anyway!
[19:20] <AJ2> I guess I don't understadn then why these vopi devices have a LAN port
[19:20] <AJ2> why would anyone want them to act as another dhcp device
[19:20] <TJ-> AJ2: because it's a gateway/router
[19:21] <TJ-> AJ2: because it needs to control the options and network config of the phone devices
[19:21] <lesshaste> I am happily using vncserver but sometimes it dies, which is a pain. Is it possible to save the state of vncserver so that I can at least have something to resume if it dies?
[19:22] <AJ2> so I guess my question now is, what am i going to miss or not have if its not connected to LAN
[19:23] <TJ-> AJ2: nothing. As I said earlier, if you have multiple phone devices you need a dedicated switch connected to the VoIP server's LAN port, and the phones connected to that switch, not the switch connected to the nighthawk
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> lesshaste: be carefull with vnc, as its a security risk
[19:23] <lesshaste> lotuspsychje,  thanks
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | lesshaste instead
[19:23] <lesshaste> but I still need to solve the state saving problem
[19:24] <TJ-> AJ2: if you have an intelligent managed switch you can assign ports to different VLANs and isolate them that way, but for simple unmanaged switches that's not possible
[19:24] <AJ2> thanks again tj... i need to run now, but will back later
[19:32] <Wizard> Hi
[19:33] <noraatepernos> I have a rare case for a file system that can have up to 10 billion inodes.  Is there any reason I can’t have Ubuntu run on a 20G ext4 and mount a separate btrfs (with all the smal files)?  I’m not sure if inodes are handled at the partition level or if ubuntu would care.
[19:33] <alpha__> if i have two partitions one containing ubuntu on sda2 and my home folder on sda3 and I want to reinstall a broken 16.04 ubuntu to sda2 how can I restore my hone folder in the new instalation?
[19:34] <Wizard> So, I installed Steam (from "Software") and installed Europa Universalis IV later. I launcehd it, first screen appears, I click "Play"… and then I hear menu music and nothing happens, no window, no menu, no nothing. EU4 process is running, music is playing, CPU is busy but I don' see anything. Ubuntu 17.10, extra repos added by VS Code and Spotify only
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> alpha__: when installing an ubuntu, setup will ask to preserve your /home
[19:35] <TJ-> noraatepernos: inodes are file-system concept. Linux can have as many file-systems mounted as you can provide :)
[19:36] <noraatepernos> TJ-: Okay thanks.  I’m going to do some experimenting now.  We were using Dynamodb as a very crude key-value store (all it’s good for, imo) and its write provisioning was becoming cost-prohibitive.
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: wich graphics card chipset and xorg or wayland?
[19:39] <alpha__> ok can you please walk me through an new install using a usb/dvd where will it ask to preserve your /home and will it allow all in my home folder to be accessable in the new instalation?
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> alpha__: setup will ask you what to do, upgrade, install next to current setup, or install clean
[19:40] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: Seems like nvidia, nouveau, wayland
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: better login to xorg mate, nvidia & wayland is work in progress atm
[19:41] <alpha__> i am using a live boot usb i dont seem to get that meaasge?
[19:41] <alpha__> when i try to do an install
[19:41] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: How? :D
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: logout, and at gdm3 login, choose XORG session
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: another option could be testing wayland + nvidia-390 driver from ubuntu graphics ppa
[19:46] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: I hate PPA
[19:47] <Wizard> I'll try xorg session, thanks
[19:47] <NeuhNeuh> Hi :)
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> Wizard: we dont reccomend external ppa's neither here, but in some cases the ubuntu graphics ppa can be a solving
[19:47] <NeuhNeuh> I use Ubuntu 16.04 but I have a problem with PHP. PAM Module is not present and I can't isntall it
[19:48] <NeuhNeuh> And I don't find packages for that
[19:48] <Wizard> lotuspsychje: I'm gonna give PPA a try
[19:49] <NeuhNeuh> And pecl fail with build
[19:49] <lorogue> Hello all ^
[19:50] <nobody> hello lorogue
[19:50] <slidinghorn> NeuhNeuh I believe the packages are libpam-mysql and pamtester
[19:50] <lorogue> A lot more users here than I expected ^^
[19:51] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: Oh ? I test :)
[19:51] <NeuhNeuh> I try *
[19:51] <alpha__> is there any expert who can fix a broken ubuntu instalation?
[19:52] <lorogue> Broken how?
[19:52] <NeuhNeuh> No, don't work ;:(
[19:53] <alpha__> tried to do a update but was forced to do a partia upgrade then the system stoped working
[19:53] <alpha__> i can boot in the advance screen
[19:54] <alpha__> checked for broken packages
[19:55] <tomreyn> alpha__: what did you upgrade form and to, what forced you to do a partial upgrade, what did it say (if you still remember)?
[19:55] <alpha__> but when trying to do a normal reboot get the ubuntu screen with red dots it does one then screen goes blank and no mouse pointer
[19:55] <tomreyn> form -> from
[19:56] <alpha__> it just forced and upgrade im not sure what it upgraded to fron 16.04
[19:56] <tomreyn> alpha__: so you're on the recovery menu now? the purple one?
[19:57] <alpha__> yes i have been in that menu
[19:57] <slidinghorn> NeuhNeuh they're in the repositories...could you do  the following:   cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999       and post the link please
[19:57] <alpha__> tried various things still the same
[19:58] <tomreyn> alpha__: do you have backups?
[19:58] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: Maybe its because I use « Ubuntu » ARM Ports ?
[19:58] <NeuhNeuh> -« »
[19:58] <slidinghorn> ah...that could be important info to include in your question NeuhNeuh
[19:58] <alpha__> not sure of the main ubuntu - i have my home folder on another disk partition
[19:59] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: Ah sorry :)
[19:59] <NeuhNeuh> http://termbin.com/yuby
[19:59] <s10gopal> i have installed linux kernel but i cant see it in grub , how to fix it ?
[20:00] <alpha__> so would like to try and fix the broken instalation or re install ubuntu but be able to get to my home folder on other partition
[20:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: sometimes, on a very broken system, reinstalling can be faster than spending a lot of time on trying to recover (and then maybe end up with a system which works but is in a worse state than a fresh install, with untracked files lying around somewhere), that's why i'm asking.
[20:01] <slidinghorn> NeuhNeuh maybe try in #ubuntu-arm - they're more specific to your build I think
[20:01] <NeuhNeuh> slidinghorn: When I try to install this package, he say « package exist in database »
[20:01] <s10gopal> tomreyn: can you please help me ?
[20:01] <lorogue> I would prolly use a liveCD to grab the files I wanted and then reinstall..
[20:01] <NeuhNeuh> Okay
[20:01] <NeuhNeuh> Thank's
[20:01] <tomreyn> s10gopal: not right now, trying tro help alpha__ currently.
[20:02] <alpha__> ok if i create another partition on my drive and reinstal a fresh version of ubuntu how do i link it up with my home folder which is on a different partition?
[20:02] <tomreyn> alpha__: you said something about ubuntu 16.04, but i didn't understand whether that's the ubuntu release you had before the incident or now. also, can you explain what prompted you to start an upgrade and how you did it?
[20:03] <alpha__> on my drive i have ubuntu 16.04 instaled which worked all ok untill the update / upgrade
[20:04] <alpha__> that the version i had before
[20:04] <alpha__> can i roll back the upgrade?
[20:04] <tomreyn> alpha__: you can do a fresh install of ubuntu to this same partition you had it on so far, and then after the installation is done and you booted into it, you can just modify the fstab file to make it mount the old file system to /home, and reboot
[20:05] <alpha__> ok how do i modify the fstab file and mount the old file system to /home
[20:06] <alpha__> will i not get a home folder on the fresh instal of ubuntu?
[20:06] <tomreyn> alpha__: it's still unknown whether what you did was an update (installing just bug fixes and security patches) or an upgrade (such as 16.04 -> 18.04). an upgrade requires running do-release-upgrade or manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list (so if you did neither then you did not do an upgrade). rolling back upgrades is not possible.
[20:08] <alpha__> well i did not actualy do that i just run the update program which then said it could only do a upgrade and clicked the button
[20:08] <tomreyn> yes the new install will have a /home directory as well. once you reinstalled you can reboot recovery, clean up /home on the ubuntu 'system' partition so it's empty, then make the fstab modification to /etc/fstab , then reboot and you'll have what you used to have.
[20:09] <alpha__> ok can you explain how to do that
[20:09] <s10gopal> tomreyn: thx grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg solved my problem
[20:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay,lets take a quck look at the broken system you have now to get an idea of what you had there in terms of other software, what may have gone wrong (to learn how to prevent it from happening again), shall we?
[20:10] <alpha__> yes
[20:10] <tomreyn> s10gopal: glad you could solve it on your own
[20:11] <alpha__> what do i need to do?
[20:11] <tomreyn> alpha__: so boot into recovery, you said you know how to do this?
[20:12] <alpha__> ok i am just going to do that
[20:12] <tomreyn> alpha__: actually, before we do this, do you have a usb stick with the latest 16.04 on it?
[20:12] <alpha__> yes
[20:12] <tomreyn> 16.04.4 LTS that is
[20:12] <alpha__> yes
[20:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: which architecture is this? amd64, i686, arm64?
[20:13] <alpha__> shall i boot into live boot from the usb?
[20:13] <geniek> Hello
[20:13] <alpha__> its intel
[20:13] <alpha__> chip set
[20:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, have you successfully started your computer with the live stick before?
[20:14] <alpha__> the usb live boot works
[20:14] <alpha__> yes
[20:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: cool, okay so boot into emergency now
[20:14] <vivid> im having trouble building ffmpeg with 'debuild -b -j5' and i cannot seem to find the relevant info on why its failing, just says dh_auto_test: cd debian/standard && make -j5 -O check -k returned exit code 1
[20:14] <alpha__> so live boot from the usb or recover from the old system?
[20:15] <lorogue> wonder if it is possible to remote connect to a liveUSB session.. Off to google!
[20:15] <tomreyn> alpha__: recovery from the old system.
[20:15] <alpha__> ok just a min
[20:15] <slidinghorn> vivid is there any reason you can't use the version in the repositories?
[20:15] <vivid> yes i need nvenc
[20:16] <vivid> ive been building this previously without any issues so im rather confused as to why its begun to fail
[20:17] <slidinghorn> vivid this looks like a job for the #ffmpeg channel
[20:17] <tomreyn> alpha__: once you're there, select the option to enable network
[20:17] <vivid> well except this is debian packaging which they did not write..correct?
[20:17] <alpha__> ok
[20:17] <vivid> afaik dh_auto_test is a debian specific thing
[20:17] <dli> lorogue, you can install packages in a liveusb session
[20:17] <alpha__> have selected network
[20:17] <vivid> where do i find the relevant logging or error reporting from debuild
[20:18] <alpha__> have wired connection to router
[20:18] <alpha__> and run the network
[20:18] <alpha__> shall i drop into root sheel?
[20:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: yes please
[20:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: can you ping 1.1.1.1 ?
[20:19] <alpha__> ok
[20:19] <vivid> lets see if it fails when not run in parallel
[20:20] <alpha__> yes i get 64 bytes from 1.1.1.1 icmp_seq ttl
[20:20] <alpha__> and it keep increment the seq
[20:20] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, nctrl-x now. then run: lsb_release -ds
[20:21] <lorogue> @dli, what I was thinking about what if it possible to remote connect to a liveCD session (please note that I am completely new to linux, working my way through things). So if I wanted to help a friend, he could boot with a liveCD session. Kind of a "if planets align" kind of thing, but yeah..
[20:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: ... and tell me what it says exactly.
[20:21] <alpha__> how do i stop the oing?
[20:21] <tomreyn> press ctrl-c
[20:21] <tomreyn> sorry, had a typo there
[20:21] <alpha__> ok then what
[20:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: what i said :)
[20:22] <alpha__> ok
[20:23] <Hulio> hi, how to make ASUS USB-N10 work in ubuntu 16.04 LTS ?
[20:23] <Hulio> Ubuntu don't detect it
[20:23] <MissMiew> hello, I used "sudo apt-get upgrade" for my updates but I still have 3 security updates listed. how do I install them? thank you.
[20:24] <compdoc> sudo apt-get dist-de
[20:24] <compdoc> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:24] <alpha__> it said no command run: lsb_release -ds  found did you mean runc
[20:24] <alpha__> runc (universe)
[20:24] <tomreyn> alpha__: run "lsb_release -ds" and tell me what it says exactly
[20:24] <Hulio> can someone help me how to make ASUS USB-N10 wireless work in ubuntu?
[20:24] <tomreyn> alpha__: do not run "run"
[20:24] <Hulio> this is too complicated, it wont' detect
[20:25] <alpha__> ok
[20:25] <MissMiew> compdoc thank you Kindly! it seems to be working. should I only use that command from now on?
[20:25] <tomreyn> !patience | Hulio
[20:25] <alpha__> its says ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[20:26] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, what's the output of: uname -a
[20:26] <nobody> I certainly will, if I know the answer
[20:27] <slidinghorn> Hulio which version (16.04/17.10/etc) and flavor (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu) are you using?
[20:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: actually you dont need to type all of this. do this instead:
[20:27] <Hulio> 16.04 x64  UBuntu
[20:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: uname -a | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: this should return a HTTP address, hopefully less typing for you
[20:28] <alpha__> Linux tau-M660SE 4.4.0-119-generic #143-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 2 16:08:22 UTC 2018 i 686 i686 i686 GNU/LINUX
[20:28] <Hulio> let me reboot
[20:30] <tomreyn> alpha__: now run "lscpu" and tell me what "model name" is
[20:31] <alpha__> doing that command with the 9999 gives the following nc: getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
[20:31] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, we can ignore this one for now. what about the lscpu?
[20:32] <alpha__> what do you want fro the lscpu
 alpha__: now run "lscpu" and tell me what "model name" is
[20:33] <alpha__> Intel (R) Core(TM) 2 Duo CPU T6400 @2GHz
[20:35] <tomreyn> alpha__: hmm, that's old. but it's nice it still works.
[20:36] <tomreyn> alpha__: also onthe "lscpu"output, what does it say for "CPU op-mode(s)" ?
[20:36] <alpha__> 32bit, 64bit
[20:39] <tomreyn> alpha: okay, alsomost done. now what'S the output of: dmidecode -t memory | grep MB$
[20:39] <tomreyn> (including the dolloar character)
[20:40] <thinky> hello
[20:40] <thinky> firefox icon on desktop is very huge
[20:40] <thinky> how can i fix it?
[20:40] <alpha__> size 2048MB
[20:41] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, just this one line of output, right?
[20:41] <alpha__> no lot of data in relation to that last command
[20:42] <alpha__> sorry yes just one line
[20:42] <thinky> also there is a folder named = " in home/user
[20:43] <thinky> no idea how and why it has been created
[20:43] <simonizor> You probably made it.
[20:43] <simonizor> No sane app is gonna make that folder lol
[20:43] <thinky> why would i create a folder named = " ?
[20:44] <alpha__> getting SMBIOS data from sysfs SMBIOS 2.4 present size 2048MB
[20:44] <simonizor> Why would anything create that folder?
[20:44] <simonizor> Exactly.
[20:44] <thinky> i wish i knew
[20:44] <thinky> looks like a bug or virus
[20:44] <kostkon> thinky, do you get an option to resize the icon when you right click on it?
[20:44] <simonizor> Odds are user error
[20:44] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, summing up this is apparently a Clevo M660SE, with a 64-bit capable intel core 2 duo T6400 cpu, with 2 GB RAM.
[20:44] <hggdh> thinky: probably a mistype
[20:44] <thinky> kostkon: no it doesnt give option when i right clich
[20:44] <thinky> i tried
[20:44] <kostkon> thinky, ok
[20:44] <simonizor> On Linux, when stuff goes wrong and you can't explain why, most of the time it's user error lol
[20:45] <thinky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1756501
[20:45] <thinky> it seems it is a bug
[20:45] <alpha__> yes that would be correct but i have never been able to install a 64 bit os
[20:45] <kostkon> thinky, yeap
[20:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: this is important to know in case you'll choose which ubuntu variant to install next. you used to have the 32-bit ubuntu installed. and with 2 GB of RAM, this makes most sense.
[20:45] <thinky> but no solution yet?
[20:46] <alpha__> yes and the iso of the installed ubuntu is a 32bit
[20:46] <simonizor> It actualy doesn't make sense to install 32bit OSes anymore
[20:46] <kostkon> thinky, you could try setting a different one, try right clicking then properties then clicking on its icon. what release are you on
[20:46] <simonizor> A lot of software isn't supporting 32bit anymore
[20:46] <alpha__> and the usb live boot is also 32b
[20:46] <tomreyn> alpha__: you should probably also consider not running the default ubuntu flavour but rather xubuntu or ubuntu mate or even lubuntu
[20:46] <simonizor> So if you can do 64bit, you should
[20:47] <tomreyn> alpha__: the default desktop will make this computer feel slower than necessary.
[20:47] <alpha__> ok
[20:47] <thinky> 59.0.2 - 64bit
[20:47] <kostkon> thinky, Ubuntu release
[20:47] <thinky> ah sorry
[20:47] <thinky> 16.06
[20:47] <tomreyn> alpha__: now, your choice: try to fix the system or prepare a fre install
[20:47] <tomreyn> fre -> fresh
[20:47] <thinky> 16.04
[20:47] <alpha__> try and fix first
[20:47] <kostkon> thinky, ok, you could try setting a different one and see if it will go back to its nomrla size
[20:48] <thinky> where does firefox keep icon sets?
[20:48] <oerheks> thinky, the solution is in the last comment: wait for 60, of fix it manually
[20:48] <oerheks> and gives the path for example
[20:48] <kostkon> thinky, my thinking is that you could just download your own firefox icon and set it as its icon, temporarily until the bug is taken care of
[20:48] <tomreyn> alpha__: alright. earlier something seemed to be wrong with name resolution (dns). let's look into this more closely: grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf
[20:48] <thinky> ok
[20:49] <tomreyn> alpha__: it may just say "nameserver 127.0.1.1".
[20:49] <Bashing-om> petro: ;; here ... your card will support the 390 nvidia driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/132530/en-us .
[20:49] <thinky> i will wait for v60
[20:49] <thinky> is ubuntu virus free?
[20:49] <kostkon> !virus
[20:50] <thinky> thx
[20:51] <kostkon> thinky, you can always install your favourite adblocker script blocker etc in firefox
[20:51] <alpha__> it says no such file or directory
[20:51] <thinky> i use ABP
[20:51] <thinky> adblocker
[20:51] <kostkon> thinky, ok good
[20:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: i think you have mistyped it. try again?
[20:52] <tomreyn> grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf
[20:52] <designbybeck3> tomreyn: got the script installing on the other computers, of course there were a few other files that were old and I had to remove. But now I'm trying to get one computer that has a wifi to share its internet via a small hub with the other 2 computers
[20:52] <designbybeck3> Know of any easy way to share the wifi from one computer, through a hub, so others computers can access the hubs internet via ethernet cable
[20:53] <kostkon> !tethering
[20:53] <kostkon> nope
[20:53] <alpha__> i have retyped the following grep nameserver etc/resolv.conf
[20:53] <alpha__> and it comes up with the same message
[20:54] <tomreyn> alpha__: did you omit the leading slash before "etc"?
[20:54] <lorogue> Gnight all ^^
[20:54] <SlidingHorn> designbybeck3, This is for 17.10 - not sure how well it'd work with other versions, but check it out: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[20:54] <alpha__> yes
[20:54] <kostkon> !ics | designbybeck3
[20:55] <NeuhNeuh> Lol OK
[20:55] <NeuhNeuh> php-pam is not installable on my laptop too
[20:56] <alpha__> still the same message with the leading slash
[20:56] <SlidingHorn> NeuhNeuh, did you try in #ubuntu-arm regarding your problem originally?
[20:56] <designbybeck3> Thank you SlidingHorn and ubottu I'll check them out now!
[20:57] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, that's my bad, sorry. let me see how to fix this
[21:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: please type (exactly): echo 1.1.1.1 > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:00] <NeuhNeuh> SlidingHorn: Yes but I have problem on my laptop (x86 CPU)  too
[21:00] <NeuhNeuh> same problem
[21:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: please type (exactly): echo nameserver 1.1.1.1 > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: ^ typo fixed
[21:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: once this is done run: ping ubuntu.com
[21:01] <SlidingHorn> NeuhNeuh, well let's start first with your original problem...what did they say in #ubuntu-arm?
[21:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: see if you get 64 byte packets form there, and press ctrl-c to cancel it.
[21:02] <alpha__> no packets
[21:02] <alpha__> just a blank flashing cursor
[21:03] <tomreyn> alpha__: ok, does "ping 1.1.1.1" work though?
[21:03] <alpha__> yes
[21:05] <tomreyn> alpha__: what's the output of: cat /etc/resolv.conf | nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[21:06] <xgpt> my new installation of ubuntu doesn't trust let's encrypt certificates? how do I add them to whatever keychain of trusted root certs are out there?
[21:07] <tomreyn> alpha__: if it starts with "http://termbin.com/" then just tell me the remaining characters on that line.
[21:07] <MissMiew> hello, simple question. where can i find the login logs for my system? thank you.
[21:07] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/1lke
[21:07] <tomreyn> xgpt: which ubuntu version did oyu install there?
[21:07] <SlidingHorn> MissMiew, check out /var/log/auth.log
[21:07] <tomreyn> MissMiew: /var/log/auth.log
[21:07] <alpha__> 1lke
[21:08] <xgpt> it's an offshoot called armbian
[21:08] <xgpt> tomreyn:
[21:09] <NERD-k> Someone use shadowsocks-libev?? How to let it to don't display listening ??
[21:09] <MissMiew> thanks!
[21:09] <tomreyn> xgpt: i'm afraid we dont support it here.
[21:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: thanks. does this work: ping -c3 ix.de
[21:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: does it get 64 bytes form something?
[21:11] <kostkon> xgpt, it's probably Debian based anyway
[21:11] <alpha__> no just some command with switches i.e, -c
[21:11] <hggdh> it is, it is based on Jessie
[21:11] <xgpt> kostkon: no, it's definitely just ubuntu
[21:11] <linux_user> Hello all!
[21:12] <xgpt> hggdh: it's based on both stretch AND ubuntu, they just adapt them into images for these little boards
[21:12] <kostkon> xgpt, ok it's just we only support official derivatives here
[21:12] <xgpt> just, how would I go about reinstalling it from ubuntu repos?
[21:12] <SlidingHorn> xgpt, armbian is not ubuntu.  they do have a channel (though it's not official).  Check out #armbian
[21:12] <hggdh> xgpt: OK. But, still, we do not know anything about it here
[21:12] <xgpt> SlidingHorn: it's dead, just want to know how to reinstall the main SSL certs
[21:12] <linux_user> I am interested in figuring out how to use a CDROM for installing packages. Lets say I have Ubuntu 17.10.1 installed into a virtual machine and have a CDROM attached (virtually) to the VM and want to login to the VM and install packages using the CD-ROM, has anyone ever done this?
[21:13] <xgpt> hggdh: okay, I'm magically having the exact same issue on ubuntu. How would I fix it?
[21:13] <SlidingHorn> xgpt, well unfortunately, armbian isn't supported here.
[21:13] <NeuhNeuh> So, hop I'm giving up about this php-pam. I'm very tired to « fight » this package lol ++
[21:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: what does "cat /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" say, any "nameserver" lines?
[21:13] <NeuhNeuh> Good night :)
[21:13] <NERD-k> Good Night??
[21:14] <NERD-k> 05:13 AM here
[21:14] <alpha__> no such file or directory
[21:14] <xgpt> y'all are soooo friendly. Thanks for the help. I just ran "sudo apt purge ca-certificates && sudo apt install ca-certificates and it solved the problem." I was just afraid it was going to bork the apt-get https nonsense
[21:14] <xgpt> but thanks
[21:14] <SlidingHorn> !derivatives | xgpt
[21:15] <tomreyn> ...
[21:16] <tomreyn> in fact, it probably would have.
[21:17] <tomreyn> alpha__: oh i missed your response sorry, le me see... so for some reason i don't understand, you can connect to ipv4 addresses just fine, but name resolution fails.
[21:18] <linux_user> I am interested in figuring out how to use a CDROM for installing packages. Lets say I have Ubuntu 17.10.1 installed into a virtual machine and have a CDROM attached (virtually) to the VM and want to login to the VM and install packages using the CD-ROM, has anyone ever done this?
[21:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: we setup a nameserver (1.1.1.1) which you can reach (as tested) in /etc/resolv.conf on this ubuntu 16.04 system running in emergency mode, but this did not fix it.
[21:19] <TJ-> alpha__: tomreyn "apt list resolvconf" - does it report [installed]
[21:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: i have a 17.10 VM here where i tested this approach, and it worked. but since you have 16.04 it might behave differently. still, i would have expected this to work there, too.
[21:19]  * linux_user says: I am interested in figuring out how to use a CDROM for installing packages. Lets say I have Ubuntu 17.10.1 installed into a virtual machine and have a CDROM attached (virtually) to the VM and want to login to the VM and install packages using the CD-ROM, has anyone ever done this?
[21:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: please try TJ-'s command
[21:21] <alpha__> ok typing in TJ command gives
[21:21] <alpha__> apt list resolvconf lisiting done
[21:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: no ned to type it all, just tell us if it says "[installed]"
[21:21] <tomreyn> *no need
[21:22] <TJ-> tomreyn: alpha__ looks like resolvconf isn't installed
[21:23] <tomreyn> alpha__: so this was the only line of output really?
[21:23] <tomreyn> "Listing... Done"?
[21:23] <TJ-> tomreyn: alpha__ and worse, apt doesn't know there is a resolvconf package
[21:23] <alpha__> resolvconf/xenial-updates, now 1.78ubuntu all [installed] N: There is 1 additional version, please use the -a switch to see it
[21:23] <TJ-> alpha__: aha, OK, it's there. Phew!
[21:24] <tomreyn> TJ-: any idea why name resolution fails, though? i dont seem to get it
[21:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'm trying to recreate the problem in a 16.04 LXD container right now :)
[21:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: resolvconf is supposed to be the source for libc, but there's also name service switch.
[21:25] <TJ-> alpha__: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" report?
[21:25] <tomreyn> TJ-: oh thanks. the original issue why alpha__ is seeking assistence with us is that some kind of an update or upgrade (NOT initiated by manually editing sources.list or running do-release-upgrade) failed, and the system does not boot up further than the boot splash screen now.
[21:26] <tomreyn> (so a bunch of things *might* very very broken)
[21:26] <tomreyn> *be
[21:27] <alpha__> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[21:28] <tomreyn> TJ-: my plan now is to determine whether this system can be saved, or need sa reinstall. alpha__ sas /home is on a separate partition, so it's not too big an issue, but would prefer not to.
[21:28] <Kumool> linux_user, you need to add the repository
[21:28] <linux_user> well the first think I am curious about is making sure that the CD is being presented to the OS properly as its being done in a virtual environment
[21:28] <Kumool> linux_user, debian has a good guide, because debian distributes the entire repo as 3 dvds, you can search on how to do it
[21:29]  * tomreyn brb
[21:29] <TJ-> alpha__: that's correct. what's the name of the dev interface? "ip route show | grep default"
[21:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: we can force resolvconf to add an entry - we just need to know the interface name
[21:30] <Kumool> linux_user, "If you want to use the 2 other DVD's as package sources. Insert one DVD and as root apt-cdrom add -d /media/your_username with sudo sudo apt-cdrom add -d /media/$USER Next apt-get update" https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/337534/how-to-install-dvd-2-and-3-of-debian
[21:30] <Kumool> (literally the first hit when i googled)
[21:31] <oerheks> now google with VM ..
[21:31] <alpha__> defualt via 192.168.1.254 dev enp0s4 proto statis metric 100
[21:32] <Kumool> that's a bit more complicated and it depends on the VM
[21:32] <TJ-> alpha__: do this:  " echo "nameserver 1.1.1.1" | resolvconf -a enp0s4.dhclient   "
[21:32] <linux_user> Kumool: I am very sorry, I must have not really said what I am trying to figure out. I am not looking for someone to do google searches for me. I am interested in figuring out the requirements to do it when the system is virtualized, that is what I found little google results for. yeah?
[21:32] <Kumool> linux_user, what VM are you using?
[21:32] <TJ-> alpha__: once you've done that, if there were no errors it won't display any messages
[21:32] <linux_user> VMware
[21:32] <linux_user> I installed 17.10.1
[21:32] <Kumool> and can you not make an image?
[21:33] <linux_user> huh?
[21:33] <linux_user> I downloaded the ISO
[21:33] <linux_user> I didn't have to make it
[21:33] <Kumool> so the iso is in the OS?
[21:33] <linux_user> I am using Ubuntu, it is not Debian
[21:33] <linux_user> no
[21:33] <oerheks> https://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_disk_add_cd_dvd.html
[21:33] <linux_user> the ISO is on the HOST OS and is being presented as a virtual CDROM to the guest
[21:34] <Kumool> i really don't understand the problem
[21:34] <linux_user> let me try to explain
[21:34] <linux_user> I downloaded the ISO from Ubuntu (the ISO used for installing)
[21:34] <Kumool> i've never used vmware, maybe that's the problem...?
[21:34] <alpha__> is the " " in between the nameserver 1.1.1.1 ?
[21:35] <TJ-> alpha__: type it exactly as I showed it
[21:35] <linux_user> I understand if you didn't, but that's why I specified its part of the equation
[21:35] <linux_user> it can make a difference I suppose
[21:35] <linux_user> I know how to google
[21:35] <linux_user> but
[21:35] <linux_user> I don't want Debian instructions as their ISOs might be different from Ubuntu
[21:35] <Kumool> the cd is presented to the OS properly, or else you couldnt install the OS in the VM
[21:35] <linux_user> you see what I am trying to get is the precise way to do it specifically for Ubuntu
[21:36] <linux_user> one second okay?
[21:36] <Kumool> linux_user, unix is unix, ubuntu answers usually apply to debian and vice versa
[21:36] <Kumool> its only the tidbits that differ between distros
[21:37] <Kumool> and try that link that oerheks replied with
[21:37] <SlidingHorn> linux_user, let me see if I understand this:  You have an ubuntu host, and and ubuntu guest.  You want to use an ISO image of a repository from which to install software on the guest?
[21:37] <TJ-> linux_user: the Ubuntu ISO images have a *small* number of packages on them presented just like the archive servers that apt uses. There are two directories, /dists/ and /pool/ - after install from a DVD apt will sometimes have a reference to the installer in /etc/apt/sources.list as "cdrom file:///dev/cdrom ..."
[21:37] <linux_user> that thing is for WS 5, I have WS14, ok, I thought I'd find people here experienced with Ubuntu not a bunch of googlers
[21:37] <linux_user> SlidingHorn, precisesly
[21:37] <TJ-> alpha__: is that done now? if so, try "ping -c 5 archive.ubuntu.com"
[21:38] <alpha__> im having a bit of aproblem tying to type the commmand
[21:38] <TJ-> tomreyn: did you check if alpha__ has an open firewall on this system?
[21:38] <linux_user> TJ: yes I see that but its commented out
[21:38] <linux_user> I am going to uncomment it but
[21:38] <tomreyn> TJ-: no. did not.
[21:38] <linux_user> 1 sec phone
[21:38] <TJ-> linux_user: right, because most people remove the media so it'd hang apt every time you do 'apt update'
[21:38] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'm wondering if DNS port 53 is blocked :)
[21:39] <TJ-> alpha__: eaxctly as I've written it:  echo "nameserver 1.1.1.1" | resolvconf -a enp0s4.dhclient
[21:39] <tomreyn> TJ-: well it must have worked previously if an update or upgrade somehow failed in the middle
[21:40] <TJ-> tomreyn: I've ceased being surprised at the mysterious changes users can apply without remembering :)
[21:40] <alpha__> ok the ubuntu ping worked
[21:40] <tomreyn> TJ-: glad to have you, i wasn't familiar with overriding the resolve rconfig
[21:40] <TJ-> tomreyn: back to you! alpha__ has DNS
[21:40] <tomreyn> TJ-: wohoo :)
[21:40] <alpha__> the nameserver command just retuns a flashing curser
[21:41] <tomreyn> alpha__: what is "the nameserver command"?
[21:41] <TJ-> alpha__: that's fine
[21:41] <linux_user> TJ: I understand, I tried to mount the CD and got all this isolinux stuff in their and no repos
[21:41] <linux_user> let me check my VM
[21:41] <TJ-> tomreyn: the command I gave piping into resolvconf
[21:41] <tomreyn> oh ok
[21:41] <TJ-> tomreyn: do some more ping <name> tests to satisfy yourself it's OK, then you can move on :)
[21:42] <TJ-> termbin capture of logs maybe/
[21:43] <tomreyn> alpha__: can you "ping -c1 ix.de" and get a 64-bit packet?
[21:44] <alpha__> no cant get a ping with that command
[21:45] <alpha__> ok
[21:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: "ok"?
[21:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: what is ok?
[21:45] <alpha__> yes did get a ping back when put space inbetween -c1 and ix
[21:46] <linux_user> TJ: 1, my install CD is /dev/sr1 and I was about to do "sudo mount /dev/sr1 /mnt"
[21:46] <tomreyn> alpha__: yes, once you do things right, they magically happen to work!
[21:46] <tomreyn> ;-)
[21:46] <alpha__> yes
[21:46] <Mr_Cyclops> tomreyn, well said :DS
[21:46] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, great, so i think you to have proper internet access now. do you have the pastebinit software installed? run "pastebinit -v"
[21:46] <Mr_Cyclops> :D
[21:46] <alpha__> i dont think so
[21:47] <tomreyn> alpha__: what makes oyu not think so?
[21:47] <Kumool> you can make it
[21:47] <linux_user> using Kumool instructions, (following Debian's procedure) I did an apt-cdrom add -d /mnt
[21:48] <linux_user> https://pastebin.com/t2qBt3QL
[21:48] <alpha__> im not sure
[21:48] <linux_user> ^ this is my output in pastebin
[21:48] <linux_user> https://pastebin.com/t2qBt3QL
[21:48] <linux_user> ^ this is my output in pastebin
[21:48] <Kumool> oh wait, is alpha linux_user ?
[21:48] <linux_user> huh?
[21:48] <linux_user> who is alpha?
[21:48] <TJ-> linux_user: you can do that. does it have a Debian-compliant apt archive directory struture on it /dists/ and /pool/ ?
[21:48] <linux_user> I have no idea
[21:48] <linux_user> I thats why I am here looking for assistance
[21:48] <alpha__> its say patebinit currently not installed
[21:48] <linux_user> what is a debian compliant etc?
[21:48] <tomreyn> alpha__: so what'S the output of "pastebinit -v"?
[21:49] <linux_user> Ubuntu is just like Debian per Kumool
[21:49] <linux_user> is it?
[21:49] <linux_user> is it not?
[21:49] <linux_user> I am asking
[21:49] <alpha__> currently not installed
[21:49] <tomreyn> alpha__: oh you just said so, ok
[21:49] <TJ-> linux_user: please don't use Enter as punctuation, it makes it difficult to follow the ongoing support session
[21:50] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay we will continue using the nc termbin.com 9999 thing. now please show the url returned by: apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:50] <tomreyn> alpha__: take good care about proper spelling there, please
[21:50] <alpha__> should i install it?
[21:51] <TJ-> linux_user: Ubuntu is a Debian derivative so it follows all the Debian policies and file structures.
[21:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: no need for now
[21:51] <alpha__> ok
[21:51] <linux_user> TJ: ok, so, how do I check or why would I need to check if the ISO follows "Debian compliant, etc..."?
[21:52] <TJ-> linux_user: look for the 2 directories I mentioned. /dists/ contains the release info and lists of packages (e.g. release xenial) and /pool/ comtains directories for the actual binary .deb package files
[21:52] <linux_user> I understand from Kumool its basically the same then, yes? like CentOS used to be to RedHat just different logs but exactly the same OS?
[21:52] <linux_user> ok, 1 second TJ
[21:52] <alpha__> ok just typed that last command
[21:52] <alpha__> came back with
[21:53] <_omega_> how the hell can I just get mdadm to sync a blank new drive that replaced a dead one from the raid10 array
[21:53] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/nqnlf
[21:53] <linux_user> TJ: Yes, it seems to have all that.
[21:54] <tomreyn> alpha__: alright, you are very focussed on security, that's good. unfortunatley you lost access to standard ubuntu somehow, though
[21:55] <TJ-> _omega_: did you fail and remove the dead drive
[21:56] <_omega_> TJ-: the dead drive was dead and not even part of the array when I discovered
[21:56] <_omega_> it has been removed and a new one put in
[21:56] <_omega_> now I need to tell it to make /dev/sdd part of /dev/md2
[21:57] <_omega_> and I guess that's where I'm stuck
[21:57] <oerheks> tomreyn, i see this large ppa in his list https://launchpad.net/~dirk-computer42/+archive/ubuntu/c42-backport
[21:57] <tomreyn> alpha__: can you show the output of: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:57] <_omega_> (i'll bb shortly)
[21:57] <TJ-> _omega_: the general form is "mdadm /dev/mdX --add /dev/sdY"
[21:57] <linux_user> TJ: Did you see what I said, I see you are helping many people! :)
[21:58] <TJ-> _omega_: so "sudo mdadm /dev/md2 --add /dev/sds"
[21:58] <TJ-> _omega_: so "sudo mdadm /dev/md2 --add /dev/sdd"
[21:58] <tomreyn> oerheks: thanks for pointing this out. some of these can be core/base packages.
[21:58] <TJ-> linux_user: you confirmed you could see the archive layout on the /dev/sr1 :)
[21:59] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/mmn00
[21:59] <linux_user> TJ: Yes, when I mounted it, yes
[21:59] <tomreyn> alpha__: does this computer-42 PPA ring a bell? any idea why your default package repositories are commented out (diabled)?
[22:00] <TJ-> linux_user: so what do you want to do with it? tell APT to use it?
[22:00] <linux_user> yes
[22:00] <linux_user> did you see the pastebin I posted?
[22:00] <alpha__> no idea
[22:00] <linux_user> that was the output after the apt-cdrom command
[22:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: did you install this computer, are you the only person managing it?
[22:00] <alpha__> yes
[22:01] <alpha__> no other users just me
[22:01] <TJ-> tomreyn: unless my eyes have gone, that pastebin shows the standard archive entries are active
[22:02] <TJ-> tomreyn: check if 'apt' is from our packages or one of those PPAs!
[22:02] <oerheks> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:03] <tomreyn> TJ-: you're right. why did apt update not show this, though?  http://termbin.com/nqnlf
[22:03] <ericrajuin> hello, which package is the c++ doc ref in ubuntu repo ? thanks
[22:03] <TJ-> tomreyn: there's a version of apt in that c-42 PPA, maybe it's been 'hacked'
[22:03] <tomreyn> ugh
[22:04] <TJ-> alpha__: show us " apt-cache policy apt | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[22:04] <tomreyn> just wanted to ask the same :)
[22:04] <alpha__> if i run the last command again i get
[22:05] <alpha__> http://termbin.com/bxau
[22:05] <linux_user> YJ: https://pastebin.com/t2qBt3QL
[22:05] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, this is probably unchanged. now do what TJ asked for, please
[22:05] <Budgii> Can someone help me with this? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=371482
[22:05] <alpha__> and each time i run it get different /
[22:05] <linux_user> YJ=TJ
[22:06] <alpha__> ok
[22:06] <Budgii> specifically where it says make the folowing script
[22:06] <saikoatlocalhost> did i join the wrong channel
[22:07] <Budgii> saikoatlocalhost, what were you wanting to join?
[22:07] <saikoatlocalhost> i got kicked from #debian cause i spoke in the support channel
[22:07] <saikoatlocalhost> is there an offtopic
[22:07] <SlidingHorn> saikoatlocalhost, you didn't get kicked - you were told about an offtopic channel
[22:07] <alpha__> i get http://termbin.com/yvpy
[22:08] <saikoatlocalhost> it won't let me connect then *shrug*
[22:08] <saikoatlocalhost> anyway
[22:08] <TJ-> linux_user: so there's nothing much on the ISO that matches the installed release/architecture ?
[22:08] <SlidingHorn> saikoatlocalhost, there is also #ubuntu-offtopic if you just want to chat
[22:08] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, you won a free resintall
[22:08] <linux_user> TJ: Not sure I follow your question
[22:09] <tomreyn> alpha__: let's not try to fix this system. be more careful about which PPAs you decide to install in the future
[22:09] <linux_user> TJ: That is the ISO I booted it up initially and installed the VM from
[22:09] <TJ-> linux_user: I'm not clear what you are trying to achieve.
[22:09] <alpha__> so the ppa has caused the problem then
[22:09] <saikoatlocalhost> * #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[22:09] <oerheks> alpha__, that ppa is huge, you could reverse to standard packages with ppa-purge, but i would do a fresh install, much faster
[22:09] <tomreyn> alpha__: if in doubt, you can come here and ask whether it seems like a good / bad idea to use those (even though we don't support PPAs in general)
[22:10] <TJ-> linux_user: the ISO isn't full of packages you know, just a handful of optionals that the LiveISO Try Ubuntu session might need
[22:10] <tomreyn> alpha__: most likely, yes
[22:10] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, what problem are you having with the script?
[22:10] <linux_user> give me a second, I am going to write something in pastebin that explains.
[22:10] <TJ-> linux_user: OK, that's a good idea :)
[22:11] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I just don't get what it  means by 'make the following script'. I typed that in terminal and got a weird thing..
[22:11] <oerheks> !register > saikoatlocalhost
[22:11] <alpha__> so a purge would not help then?
[22:11] <Budgii> do I need to save it in a text file and if so where?
[22:11] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, Oh, just create a file with that in its contents, make it executable, and then run it :)
[22:11] <kostkon> alpha__, wipe disk and reinstall. that's the only safe way to fix this
[22:11] <tomreyn> alpha__: you would need to downgrade several core utilities such as apt itself. it should never have been upgraded.
[22:12] <Budgii> so my goal is getting that dictionary. Does that mean I have to run that each time, or is it just going to be a terminal window that is my 'dictionary' program?
[22:12] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, ^
[22:12] <joel> I'm getting an error when installing grub, "cannot find efi directory", well, I had some disk corruption, how do I go about getting back this directory? a package I can re-install?
[22:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: so i suggest you reinstall. before you do, you may want to upload a list of packages you may have had manually installed (i can guide oyu there), an overview on your file systems and you may also want to keep a copy of /etc
[22:13] <linux_user> TJ: That way I can write and be clear and you will understand what I am doing instead of typing it one line at a time between other peoples conversations
[22:13] <linux_user> brb
[22:13] <alpha__> ok can you do that please
[22:13] <tomreyn> alpha__: when you run "ls /home/", do yuo see the directory of your user?
[22:13] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, it's basically meant to be a terminal command that will pull a definition any time you call it.  You can either navigate to the script's directory each time, or you can create a scripts folder and export that to $PATH so you can just call it from CLI  (ex:   define   rather than navigating and ./define)
[22:13] <kostkon> alpha__, you replaced a core package with one from an unknown source. only way is a clean install
[22:14] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, so I have it saved as 'Dictionary.sh' on Desktop. I did CD, then tried ./define cat
[22:15] <Budgii> no luck. what am I doing wrong?
[22:15] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, it's case sensitive
[22:15] <tomreyn> alpha__: and, assuming your old user is called OLDUSER (please replace it accordingly), do you see your files when you do "ls /home/OLDUSER" ?
[22:15] <SlidingHorn> and you have to call it by its name Budgii
[22:16] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, so for you, you'd:   cd ~/Desktop    then    ./Dictionary cat
[22:16] <TJ-> joel: there should be /boot/efi/ and on that should be mounted the EFI System Partition so you'd see /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ and others
[22:16] <Budgii> ohhh
[22:16] <alpha__> ok i accept that i need to reinstall - how do i get a list of packages that I manually installed
[22:16] <nlsthzn> I havne't tried installing a snap app in 18.04 yet but will it now use the ubuntu default mouse cursor in the installed snap app or the black mouse cursor?
[22:16] <joel> TJ-: I don't have an efi folder, at all, due to disk corruption. I'm trying to find out what I have to do to re-create that folder
[22:16] <alpha__> and how do i get access to my home folder on another partition?
[22:17] <tomreyn> alpha__: right now i'm trying to get you to access the home directory we plan to keep, so we can use this to store some information which will be prevered.
[22:17] <tomreyn> *preserved
[22:17] <TJ-> joel: is there a /boot/ with the kernel (vmlinuz-*) and initrd.img-* files  ?
[22:17] <joel> TJ-: not yet, I need to re-install the kernels
[22:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: so if you could tell me about the above commands this would help
[22:18] <joel> TJ-: I do have a /boot, it's on a 512M EFI filesystem
[22:18] <alpha__> running ls /home/  i get the a name of the computer and lost+found
[22:18] <ericrajuin> Budgii: have you chmod +x to the script ?
[22:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, ignore the second request for now and do this: mount /home
[22:19] <Budgii> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZF4h27DZwC/
[22:19] <tomreyn> alpha__: any errors reported?
[22:19] <Budgii> ericrajuin, no. Not exactly sure what that is.. i'd have to check my notes :)
[22:19] <alpha__> ok
[22:19] <SlidingHorn> oh Budgii     mv define.sh define
[22:19] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, oops. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZF4h27DZwC/
[22:19] <alpha__> that on /dev/sda3
[22:20] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, file extensions don't matter :)
[22:20] <tomreyn> alpha__: ok. did running "mount /home" report any errors?
[22:20] <alpha__> says it already mounted
[22:20] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, when you said make it an executable I thougth sh haha..thanks!
[22:21] <alpha__> or .home busy
[22:21] <tomreyn> alpha okay so i reckon the name of your computer is identical to that of your ubuntu user.
[22:21] <alpha__> yes
[22:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: good. can you tell methe name of your computer?
[22:21] <ericrajuin> Budgii: it maks the script executable. by default when u create a script file it's not executable so u have to chmod +x
[22:21] <alpha__> tau
[22:22] <TJ-> joel: /boot/ shouldn't be in the FAT32  EFI system partition. It has to be a proper file-system that stores permissions. So either the root file-system or a separate (ext3/4) file-system in another partition
[22:22] <TrueLocalhost> why is /boot/ not in root
[22:22] <TrueLocalhost> no fucking sense
[22:22] <TJ-> TrueLocalhost: mind your language please
[22:22] <tomreyn> alpha__: ok, when you do "ls /home/tau" and "ls /home/tau/Desktop", do you see some of your files there?
[22:22] <Budgii> ericrajuin, SlidingHorn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Gz55tPH5V9/
[22:23] <Budgii> ericrajuin, not sure I get what you mean by 'do' chmod +x :)
[22:23] <sere> is there much difference if i upgrade to 18 beta now or wait for the lts.. im getting inpatient
[22:23] <alpha__> yes
[22:23] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, cd ~/Desktop && chmod +x define
[22:24] <joel> TJ-: 100% sure? this is a stock install of 16.04.... the other oddity is I have TWO EFI partitions, very head scratching
[22:24] <tomreyn> alpha__: good. so please do (and double-check for any typos): tar czf /home/tau/backup_etc.tar.gz /etc
[22:24] <SlidingHorn> sere, you could, but there could still be some bugs that need worked out.  So long as you're okay with that
[22:24] <alpha__> yes see my home folders
[22:24] <SlidingHorn> !final | sere
[22:25] <Budgii> That worked! okay so the actual program does not work. I get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KQkjGDcvYH/
[22:25] <Budgii> SlidingHorn,
[22:25] <tomreyn> alpha__: this will create a backup of your /etc direcotry for reference - this is you system configuration, it's rather small, usually no more than a few megabytes.
[22:26] <sere> ok perfect.. im on a lts minimal and have been for awhile .. i could i always reinstall or just wait but hey im going for it :) .. thanks everyone
[22:26] <TrueLocalhost> i'd wait
[22:27] <TrueLocalhost> lts are usually most stable
[22:27] <TJ-> tomreyn: might be worth saving /var/lib/dpkg/status too - it indicates the installed packages in case something gets missed
[22:27] <sere> TrueLocalhost: is two weeks worth my insanity?
[22:27] <TrueLocalhost> yeah if you want decency
[22:28] <sere> TrueLocalhost: i kinda do bah
[22:28] <alpha__> is there a space between the /  ?
[22:28] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, let me get a vm up real quick, I'm on my Windows machine right now...
[22:29] <Budgii> okay
[22:29] <TrueLocalhost> use WSL
[22:29] <Budgii> thanks SlidingHorn.
[22:29] <TrueLocalhost> quicker
[22:29] <Budgii> I just want a terminal dictionary ;D
[22:29] <TrueLocalhost> *man
[22:30] <tomreyn> alpha__: never after, but sometimes before. you can copy and paste the command from the chat window to a text editor / notepad, this may help reading it
[22:31] <TrueLocalhost> and yes i'm using ugly hexchat instead of irc.freenode.net but hexchat is allinonew
[22:31] <TrueLocalhost> all in one *
[22:31] <sere> Budgii:  what cant you can find them all over or even write one yourself.
[22:31] <sere> Budgii: kind*
[22:31] <_omega_> TJ-: wow
[22:31] <alpha__> cant seem to get that command to work says removing leading / from member names ?
[22:32] <TJ-> _omega_: ?
[22:32] <_omega_> TJ-: I owe you a beer. why couldn't I find that info. wonderful
[22:32] <_omega_> TJ-: new drive is syncing
[22:32] <TJ-> _omega_: :D
[22:32] <_omega_> thx a billion
[22:32] <Budgii> TrueLocalhost you can customize colors you know
[22:32] <tomreyn> alpha__: this is the command to backup the list of packages you installed manually:    comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u) > /home/tau/backup_manually-installed-packages.txt
[22:32] <Budgii> sere, i'd like to write my own but don't know how. Any suggestions?
[22:33] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks for the dpkg status suggestion
[22:33] <alpha__> i am having troulbe with the previous command
[22:34] <TJ-> alpha__: are you working from a GUI or a text console?
[22:34] <_omega_> hmm I guess the manpage did give away the format'
[22:34] <_omega_> I missed that. anys great stuff
[22:34] <TJ-> _omega_: helps to have done it before though
[22:35] <_omega_> TJ-: 7 years, 24 7, first failure of 6 hdds
[22:35] <_omega_> :-)
[22:35] <alpha__> text console
[22:35] <TJ-> alpha__: is that why you're struggling to read the commands? is the font very small?
[22:35] <alpha__> what command should i type first ?
[22:35] <alpha__> yes
[22:36] <TJ-> alpha__: are you on IRC from a different PC ?
[22:36] <alpha__> yes
[22:37] <TJ-> alpha__: Ahhh! Wish you'd told us earlier. We can make things a lot easier for you
[22:37] <alpha__> i can boot the other pc
[22:37] <joel> random: any way to get icons to bottom/right align in the unity bar?
[22:37] <alpha__> cant...
[22:37] <TJ-> alpha__: give tomreyn and myself a few minutes and we'll sort something out
[22:38] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, almost done installing the vm, sorry for the wait
[22:40] <sere> Budgii: give me a sec i can find mine.. i have one in perl and groovy i think
[22:42] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, (I only gave it 2GB RAM so it's a little slow, lol)
[22:43] <sere> Budgii: heres a perl one liner you can execute in from terminal or a something like conky.
[22:44] <ericrajuin> Budgii: seems the script is broken
[22:44] <sere> perl -000 -lne '@a=<>;print $a[rand @a]' ~/.conky/quotes.db
[22:45] <sere> Budgii: you can create a file anywhere and change the location at the end of the command.
[22:52] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, weird - if I navigate directly to the URL in lynx, it shows, but if I just call the -dump of that exact URL, it's not found.
[22:53] <ericrajuin> SlidingHorn: I think the first part of the script some parts in the script url need to be escaped
[22:55] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, can you do this: wget https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/{1..}
[22:56] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, can you do this: wget https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/{1..3}
[22:56] <alpha__> i think i typed in the very long command ok
[22:56] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed, sorry
[22:56] <SlidingHorn> ericrajuin, even if I directly type in the word to search (no special characters) it
[22:56] <tomreyn> alpha__: TJ- came up with a way to ensure this, do you want to give this a try?
[22:57] <alpha__> can i list my home folder to see if it worked the last command
[22:57] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, I figured it out:  the URL has changed a little. just a sec and I'll pastebin what I have.
[22:58] <alpha__> i typed in the very long command and that appeared to work
[22:58] <alpha__> it was the fist command with the / that seemed not t work
[23:00] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, http://termbin.com/1gio
[23:00] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, I made mine bash instead of sh, but it shouldn't matter
[23:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: hmm i'm afraid i forgot which one that was by now. my goal is to make you type very little from now on
[23:00] <tomreyn> alpha__: and to just redo all commands so we can be sure we ran them fine
[23:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: ...without you typing them all
[23:01] <alpha__> well i think the last command which was the large on worked
[23:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: very well. did you check whether the file was created and has content?
[23:01] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, instead of "wordnet.princeton.edu..."  it's "wordnetweb.princeton.edu..."
[23:01] <alpha__> how do i see that?
[23:01] <tomreyn> alpha__: less /home/tau/backup_manually-installed-packages.txt
[23:02] <ericrajuin> oh wordnet to wordnetweb ... @.@
[23:02] <tomreyn> alpha__: press 'q' to quit this text viewer
[23:03] <tomreyn> alpha__: i guess now you have to type all that again... let's do this a different way?
[23:04] <alpha__> ok can you hold on a sec please
[23:04] <tomreyn> sure
[23:05] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, if you want to run that script from anywhere (so you don't have to go to your Desktop directory), just make a directory called scripts in your home directory and add this to your ~/.bashrc :    export PATH="${PATH}:${HOME}/scripts/"    then restart bash by using  "/bin/bash" (no quotes) in your terminal
[23:05] <alpha__> yesgot a txt file
[23:06] <tomreyn> alpha__: with text in it?
[23:06] <alpha__> yes got listing of packages
[23:07] <tomreyn> alpha__: those are the packages which you 'seem' to have manually installed. there will be several you do not know and actually did not manually installed, you can just ignore those later. so this list is just for your reference when installing the software you used to have after reinstalling ubuntu
[23:07] <tomreyn> alpha__: great job typing all this correctly.
[23:07] <alpha__> it was just  this command that did not seem to work  tar czf /home/tau/backup_etc.tar.gz /etc
[23:08] <tomreyn> alpha: can you now please: wget https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/3
[23:08] <tomreyn> alpha__: did it say why it didnt work?
[23:09] <alpha__> the PPA is probably the rawtherapee which has caused the problem you refered to
[23:10] <alpha__> is the space or / that seems to be the problem
[23:12] <alpha__> the back up of the /etc directory
[23:12] <Budgii> sere, ericrajuin SlidingHorn just got back to computer will review your messages now
[23:12] <tomreyn> alpha__: are you saying you don't know whether it says spaces or slash in the command?
[23:12] <alpha__> have copyed and pastred the command in a txt editor and retyped it
[23:13] <linux_user> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/EtRcctm6
[23:13] <alpha__> i have typed as written into the terminal
[23:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: the wget thing?
[23:14] <tomreyn> alpha__: or the tar one?
[23:15] <alpha__> the tar one
[23:15] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, what do you mean 'add this to your ~/.bashrc:' ?
[23:15] <alpha__> it say removing leading / from member names
[23:15] <tomreyn> alpha__: thats fine
[23:15] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, made the scripts folder in home dir, added the code you pasted with the update URL to it.
[23:15] <TJ-> linux_user: oh, is that all! Choose a PC to cache the packages on, and do "sudo apt install squid-deb-proxy" then on every client do "sudo apt install squid-deb-proxy-client". On the cache server configure the allowed remote sources and that's it
[23:16] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, in your home directory, there's a file called .bashrc that has some configuration information for how your shell works.  if you add the line I gave you to the end of it, your shell will then *also* look in the scripts directory for commands that you use
[23:16] <alpha__> ok can i list whats in thehome  folder now?
[23:16] <ericrajuin> Budgii: SlidingHorn solved it, check his pastebin message
[23:16] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, your $PATH variable is essentially where the shell looks for programs associated with a command you enter
[23:16] <tomreyn> alpha__: sure: ls -l /home/tau
[23:17] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I do not see a .bashrc in my home directory
[23:18] <alpha__> ok i see a lot of folders and files
[23:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: ls -lh /home/tau/backup*
[23:18] <tomreyn> alpha__: you can press the up cursor key to get your previously entered command to show and edit it.
[23:19] <linux_user> how do I then tell the server to download every package first?
[23:19] <alpha__> where is the up curzer key?
[23:19] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, files starting with a . are "hidden"  do ls -a
[23:20] <tomreyn> you should have those four keys next to one another, with arrows pointing to different directions
[23:20] <tomreyn> alpha__: those are the cursor keys
[23:20] <Budgii> feel like a dummy here SlidingHorn but how do I open it? I see it in the ls -a now.
[23:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: the one with the up arrow is the one to press
[23:21] <alpha__> ok
[23:21] <TJ-> linux_user: you want all 50GB ?
[23:21] <tomreyn> alpha__: found them?
[23:21] <linux_user> yes, I do
[23:21] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, depends on which text editor you usually use:  gedit .bashrc  or  nano .bashrc  etc.
[23:21] <alpha__> well we now have the following
[23:21] <linux_user> not source, just binary
[23:22] <alpha__> /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz
[23:22] <linux_user> how do I tell the thing to update also?
[23:22] <alpha__> and /home/tau/backup_manually-installed-packages.txt
[23:23] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay, so the dpkg package database status is missing still
[23:23] <alpha__> ok
[23:23] <tomreyn> are both files greater than 0 bytes then?
[23:24] <tomreyn> that's the value before the date
[23:24] <TJ-> linux_user: it sounds more like you want apt-mirror then
[23:24] <TJ-> !apt-mirror | linux_user
[23:25] <TJ-> !info apt-mirror | linux_user
[23:25] <tomreyn> so in a "ls -lh" output line like "-rw-rw-r-- 1 tomreyn tomreyn   49 Jan 18 21:15 myfile", "49" is the file size.
[23:26] <linux_user> apt-mirror sets up a private mirror of the repo?
[23:26] <tomreyn> alpha__: are you still with me?
[23:26] <alpha__> yes
[23:26] <TJ-> linux_user: read "apt-cache show apt-mirror"
[23:26] <tomreyn> alpha__: so those two files which already exist have content?
[23:27] <tomreyn> i.e. they are not 0 bytes?
[23:27] <alpha__> well the txt file does
[23:27] <linux_user> ok!
[23:27] <linux_user> I shall
[23:27] <tomreyn> alpha__: and /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz ?
[23:27] <alpha__> the etc backup is 2.2M
[23:27] <alpha__> and the txt file 332
[23:28] <alpha__> how do i check that the etc has content?
[23:28] <tomreyn> alpha__: okay great. so let's backup the dpkg database status, then you can reinstall, come back here to get assistence with rmounting /home in place and you'll be done. sounds like a plan?
[23:29] <alpha__> ok
[23:29] <linux_user> TJ: It says its for Debian but it works for Ubuntu?
[23:29] <tomreyn> alpha__: to check content of the archive you could: tar tzf /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz
[23:29] <TJ-> linux_user: As I said earlier, Ubuntu is a Debian derivative
[23:30] <TJ-> linux_user: as it says "... or any other apt sources "
[23:30] <tomreyn> alpha__: so can you do this (no spaces between slashes):    wget   https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/2
[23:30] <linux_user> ok
[23:31] <alpha__> i get an error runing the archive command
[23:32] <tomreyn> alpha__: do you mind disclosing the error message?
[23:33] <alpha__> is the command again
[23:33] <tomreyn> alpha__: what do you mean?
[23:35] <alpha__> i get cannot open no such file or directory
[23:35] <linux_user> installing apt-mirror
[23:35] <alpha__> when runing this command tar tzf /home.tau/backup_etc.tar.gz
[23:36] <SlidingHorn> alpha__, chante /home.tau/  to /home/tau/   just a typo :)
[23:37] <SlidingHorn> s/chante/change
[23:37] <alpha__> yes it works now
[23:37] <alpha__> lots of etc/ stuff flashes up the screen
[23:37] <tomreyn> alpha__: oh sorry, another typo on my end there
[23:37] <alpha__> so there is content
[23:37] <tomreyn> alpha__: good, so this backup worked
[23:38] <alpha__> yes
[23:38] <tomreyn> alpha__: by the way, when you want me to listen to what you type here, type: tomreyn
[23:39] <alpha__> what next
[23:39] <Budgii> sliding horn, i use submlime text
[23:40] <Budgii> nvm used gedit
[23:40] <alpha__> dowe have to back up the dpkg database status/
[23:40] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, now just save & exit, then in a terminal type   /bin/bash   and hit enter
[23:41] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, (nothing will happen)
 alpha__: so can you do this (no spaces between slashes):    wget   https://tomreyn.megaglest.org/tau/2
[23:41] <alpha__> what will that do
[23:42] <tomreyn> alpha__: it will download the text file which is hosted at the given location.
[23:42] <tomreyn> it will be stored in a file named "2" in the current directory
[23:43] <tomreyn> the text is actually a small shell script. you can look at it using "less" again
[23:43] <alpha__> where will it be stored?
[23:43] <linux_user> looks like its firing up!
[23:43] <tomreyn> "less 2" once you downloaded
[23:43] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I just added the line to the end of the .bashrc file, is that what I need to do/
[23:43] <linux_user> what do I do to use it once it is setup?
[23:43] <tomreyn> alpha__: current directory.
[23:43] <tomreyn> alpha__: this is /root, i think
[23:43] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, the   "export PATH..." line?  yes.
[23:44] <tomreyn> linux_user: once you downloaded the file,. you can look at it using 'less 2', as i just explained. then you can run it using 'bash 2'
[23:44] <alpha__> ok and what will the txt file do
[23:44] <tomreyn> linux_user: sorry this wasnt for you
[23:45] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, okay, so now i've got that added, saved, /bin/bash/ in terminal, in /home/scripts/ i have the define.bash stored. I now open terminal and type ./define cat - no luck.
[23:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: download it and look at it and you will know.
[23:45] <alpha__> ok
[23:45] <tomreyn> alpha__: it is to backup the dpkg status database
[23:45] <linux_user> TJ-, How do I tell it to just grab AMD-64 stuff?
[23:45] <linux_user> not all the other architectures?
[23:45] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, mv ~/scripts/define.bash ~/scripts/define  (remember, we don't need file extensions.
[23:46] <TJ-> linux_user: read the docs and configure it :)
[23:46] <linux_user> no problem, was looking for the lazy man's short cut! :)
[23:46] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, after you rename, then do  /bin/bash  in your terminal again, then just type  define cat  (no ./)
[23:46] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I actually started with just 'define' as the name and get the same result. "bash: ./define: No such file or directory." even though I can literally see it
[23:47] <alpha__> ok done that
[23:48] <alpha__> what next after downloading
 linux_user: once you downloaded the file,. you can look at it using 'less 2', as i just explained. then you can run it using 'bash 2'
[23:49] <tomreyn> linux_user: still not for you, sorry
[23:49] <tomreyn> alpha__: see above, i quoted myself.
[23:49] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qmc9nsBpyC/
[23:49] <linux_user> its okay
[23:49] <linux_user> luckily I'm a forgiving individual! :)
[23:50] <alpha__> sorry i dont understand
[23:50] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, can you show me your .bashrc?    cat ~/.bashrc | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: run: bash 2
[23:51] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, it looks like you just forgot to end quote, but let's make sure
[23:51] <alpha__> ok
[23:51] <tomreyn> alpha__: any errors reported?
[23:51] <Budgii> the quote fixed it SlidingHorn!
[23:51] <alpha__> ok it says backed up dpkg to home
[23:51] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, everything works??  YAY!  \o/
[23:52] <alpha__> i dont see any
[23:52] <tomreyn> alpha__: good. we'Re done. unless you want to verify it worked.
[23:52] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, haha, everything but..now just getting permission denied. I tried sudo define cat and command not found
[23:52] <alpha__> how do we verfif just to be on the safe sidde
[23:53] <tomreyn> alpha__: to verify it worked, you could press the up cursor key until it says: ls -lh /home/tau/backup*
[23:53] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, can you  ls -l   on your scripts folder?
[23:53] <tomreyn> alpha__: then just press enter
[23:53] <tomreyn> alpha__: alternatively, you can also type this again and press enter
[23:53] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, the file should show your current user as the owner & group
[23:54] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bCvFsVWzTZ/
[23:54] <alpha__> ok three entries now
[23:54] <tomreyn> alpha__: and not 0 bytes?
[23:54] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, chmod +x ~/scripts/define
[23:54] <alpha__> its 2.4mb
[23:55] <tomreyn> alpha__: have a good re-install
[23:55] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, you have to make it executable (that's what the chmod +x does)
[23:55] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, that makes sense now. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY \o/ I now know what a cat is!
[23:55] <SlidingHorn> hahaha!  Budgii
[23:55] <alpha__> so just run me throught the reinstal
[23:55] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, how do I get out and search another one now? I get to (END)
[23:56] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, q will exit your current definition...then you just  define human
[23:56] <alpha__> i will plug in my ubuntu usb live boot and reinstal to sda2 where ubunu that is brken is
[23:56] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, I can't thank you enough for treading through the mud with me on this one.
[23:57] <Budgii> give SlidingHorn kudos +1
[23:57] <SlidingHorn> Budgii, no worries :)  That's what the channel's for
[23:57] <alpha__> so after i will have a home folder tau on my reinstal
[23:57] <tomreyn> alpha__: oops, i forgot to backup the partition overview. running "lsblk" will provide that
[23:58] <tomreyn> alpha__: lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:58] <Budgii> Now I want to clean up the definitions where at the top it shows the Key: "S:"..." garbage, but I won't compain now :D