[13:39] <RoyK> arooni: does mysql listen to IP other than localhost?
[13:52] <Neo4> Hi guys!
[13:53] <Neo4> What books do you suggest me to read for learn ubuntu server?
[13:53] <Neo4> I'm interesting VPS
[13:54] <Neo4> so far I've read 2 books, ubuntu official guid and the postfix https://www.amazon.com/Book-Postfix-State-Art-Transport/dp/1593270011/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523195645&sr=8-1&keywords=the+book+of+postfix
[13:54] <andol> Neo4: https://debian-handbook.info/ is really good, and most of it applies (not surprisingly) to Ubuntu as well.
[13:55] <Neo4> andol: I'm going to read 20 books about programming or linux for now
[13:55] <andol> That's a lot of reading :)
[13:56] <Neo4> andol: what do you offer, how to learn it without?
[13:56] <Neo4> reading is only way
[13:56] <Neo4> fast way
[13:56] <andol> Reading is good, just as long as it's mixed with a bit of doing/experimenting.
[13:56] <Neo4> andol: about SSL about Apache Mysql
[13:56] <Neo4> LAMP
[13:57] <Neo4> there not muc applications that is interesting me, it's apache2, ssl, php, mysql, and mailserver, this is main
[13:57] <Neo4> some book about linux in general
[13:58] <Neo4> andol: Do you think this proverb will work (the more you read the more you'll know the more you  know the more places you'll go ) ????
[13:58] <Neo4> andol: If I read more will I know Linux?
[13:58] <Neo4> yes?
[13:59] <Neo4> will I know more if I read 20 books about VPS?
[13:59] <andol> Well, different people learn in different fashions.
[13:59] <Neo4> andol: really?
[14:00] <andol> Yes.
[14:00] <Neo4> andol: but exists prover? Do you agree that is true that the more you read the more you'll know?
[14:00] <Neo4> andol: if I will read book 300 page per day I will know much?
[14:01] <Neo4> andol: Does reading speed influence on our knowledge?
[14:01] <Neo4> andol: what is relation between reading speed and your knowledge?
[14:02] <Neo4> maybe direct?
[14:02]  * andol returns to writing code.
[14:02] <Neo4> andol: ok
[14:02] <Neo4> :)
[14:02] <Neo4> I don't know what to do, I know nothing :(
[14:03] <Neo4> strong lack knowledge :( :( :(
[14:03] <andol> Socrates would be proud of you :-)
[14:04] <Neo4> andol: He wouldn't, I'm stupid...
[14:04] <Neo4> andol: I think about start reading every day 50 - 100 pages? How many pages do you read everyday?
[14:05] <Neo4> andol: do you have some daylly minimal?
[14:05] <Neo4> technical books very easy read, especially about OS or linux, we could read 100 pages for 2 - 3 hours
[14:06] <Neo4> without training it might be 5 hours, but if do everyday it will 2 hours, on one page 1 minute
[14:07] <Neo4> ok, 2 minute for 1 page average speed, 100 pages, it's 120 minutes, and for 2 hours you can read, and I don't think it's big change for us?
[14:07] <Neo4> will in helpful?
[14:08] <Neo4> can it overall my illiteracy?
[14:09] <Neo4> overcome*
[14:26] <MJCD> Hey all - anyone know a good gui for managing the standard lamp stack install from ubuntu?
[16:35] <Neo4> guys, what is relay?
[16:36] <Neo4> in postfix relay
[16:36] <Neo4> ti's when we send message from MUA to postfix and its resend it to MTA it is called relay?
[16:37] <Neo4> and there exists other way it's when we send message from so called 'localhost', it's machine where resized postfix.
[16:38] <Neo4> and I see postfix could only delivered message to localhost or send or relay?
[16:38] <Neo4> it has only 3 options of work?
[16:39] <Neo4> 1 deliver - put message to /var/mail
[16:39] <Neo4> 2 relay - send message from MUA or other MTA by SMTP
[16:39] <Neo4> 3 send - simply send message from localhost
[16:42] <Neo4> and there old book, and it is written that we can use SMTP AUTH, it's way when we install special set of package Curel SASL and it allows authendification over SMTP
[16:44] <Neo4> and for test postfix we could use 3 way:
[16:44] <Neo4> 1 send message using inner postfix sendmail (it's special inner utilit)
[16:44] <Neo4> 2 send message from command line, it will equal like we send from MUA
[16:44] <Neo4> 3 send using telnet, somethign like this telnet localhost 25
[16:44] <Neo4> we can test our settings without real test, simply using telnet, it will equal real like real request, for thsi we must know basics of SMTP protocol
[16:46] <Neo4> as you know postfix it's not one application, it's set of apps, there inside many daemons, Postfix linked them together
[16:47] <Neo4> and as I know we could use this /etc/init.d for start/stop applications in debian
[16:49] <Neo4> ###/etc/init.d/postfix (start/stop) as welll as apply for others applications /etc/init.d/mysqll start/stop/restart or apache2
[16:50] <Neo4> guys, who want I will teach you how postfix works, I've read books and have plethora  of knowledge :)
[16:51] <Neo4> we can compile postfix from source, why will it need?
[16:52] <compdoc> postfix is too complex for some things
[16:53] <Neo4> sometimes there is not all (types or formats) included, mysql, or something others. When we want support mysql and we checked (there exists special command that show list of supported data) and we don't see mysql
[16:53] <compdoc> if you only need to send mail, like system notifications, nullmailer is a lot simpler
[16:54] <Neo4> we must load source, there should be some settings file, decomment line with mysql and using make do new
[16:54] <Neo4> compdoc: I need send mail from wp site
[16:54] <Neo4> wordpress site*
[16:55] <Neo4> compdoc: it's not much complex, there exists two files for settings, one has all variablees and other with tables, damouns or something simila
[16:55] <Neo4> first file with constants, second with supported data, we can on/off this data off/on demons
[16:56] <Neo4> compdoc: what do you use for send mail from site?
[16:56] <compdoc> nullmailer
[16:57] <Neo4> compdoc: what does mean relay only transport agent?
[16:58] <Neo4> compdoc: it can only redirect message and can't send from localhost?
[16:58] <Neo4> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Nullmailer
[16:58] <Neo4> compdoc: can you site send message? Do you use it for VPS?
[16:58] <Neo4> compdoc: fast fast please :)
[16:59] <Neo4> ok, doesn't matter, I will use postfix anyway
[16:59] <Neo4> compdoc: do you know SSL?
[17:00] <Neo4> compdoc: I want to get this book, couldn't download for a while
[17:00] <Neo4> https://www.amazon.com/Bulletproof-SSL-TLS-Understanding-Applications/dp/1907117040/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1523204454&sr=8-2&keywords=openssl&dpID=41DKxOvK21L&preST=_SX258_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
[17:01] <Neo4> compdoc: is it ok if you give your father advise about SSL book? :) :) :)
[17:01] <Neo4> for full newbie
[17:01] <Neo4> from zero to master
[17:02] <Neo4> compdoc: I found that book, couldn't download http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=A675C4F9C2DBC89A677D9EF8D77939D8
[17:03] <Neo4> Interestingly, what is difference between TLS and SSL
[17:04] <Neo4> transfer layer security and Secure socket layer, It always written like TLS/SSL that imply it should be equal things
[17:05] <Neo4> compdoc: are you lost?
[17:05] <Neo4> compdoc: sorry :(
[17:09] <Neo4> what books must read pro linux administrator?
[17:17] <compdoc> Neo4, sometimes you have to try things to see if its right for you. if you have postfix working, go with that
[17:18] <Neo4> compdoc: ok :)
[17:47] <Neo4> compdoc: загрузилась книга ура )
[17:47] <Neo4> 40 долларов стоит, как можно читать бумажные книги?
[17:47] <Neo4> :) :)
[17:48] <Neo4> 48* посмотрим что там такого на 48$
[17:49] <Neo4> 531 страница, за 3 дня нужно прочитать
[17:49] <Neo4> от какие щас знания ssl? нолль
[17:50] <Neo4> то что нагугли CA, туда отправляем, там дают нормальный устанавливаем и все
[17:50] <Neo4> общей картины нету
[17:50] <Neo4> еще самоподписаный
[17:50] <Neo4> еще можно свое CA сделать, что это ХЗ
[17:51] <Neo4> пишут это будет только во внутреней сети довереный
[17:51] <Neo4> что такое внутренняя сеть? LAN? local area network?
[17:51] <Neo4> что такое CID нотация?
[17:52] <Neo4> ip /8 /8
[17:52] <Neo4> короче нету знаний :(
[18:05] <Neo4> sorry, confused channel :(
[18:38] <tomreyn> albech: i am in a simiar situation regarding (commercial) xenserver. my use case is a little different: need a solution which customers can use to manage virtualization on single (or a few pooled) dedicated servers (mini private cloud). management should nto require client software (i.e. provide web interface, if possible). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNebula might be another option.
[19:07] <albech> tomreyn: yeah that is slightly different. will look at the opennebula again. did look at it some years ago.
[19:13] <albech> tomreyn: what is really the most important to us is that there is an active community and IRC around the project.
[19:18] <tomreyn> albech: i don't know the opennebula state there. ganeti is another option, but already too large for the single server use case.
[19:20] <albech> tomreyn: we do have several servers and SANs available, i just dont want to add too much complexity if its not really needed.
[19:25] <albech> we have a couple of young admins who are really pushing for openstack, but i know who is going to save their a.. and work late nights when its not working as expected. ;)
[19:49] <Seveas>  /win 31
[19:52] <tomreyn> hehe, right, i would not want to do this with a small team and not overly filled budget either.
[19:54] <TJ-> tomreyn: am I missing something? Is libvirt/virt-manager not suitable?
[19:55] <tomreyn> TJ-: neither are web interfaces
[19:56] <tomreyn> i use them personally, but it's not end user firendly
[19:57] <TJ-> There's web interfaces for libvirt
[19:58] <TJ-> amongst many other libvirt using application categories... https://libvirt.org/apps.html#web
[19:58] <tomreyn> yes. those web interfaces i know are either bad or expensive.
[19:59] <tomreyn> .or do not work for single dedicated servers
[20:01] <tomreyn> i guess the rquirements are the issue there. must be open source, good, cheap
[20:02] <tomreyn> forcommercial use
[21:04] <lynorian> how is virt-manager hard to use?
[21:05] <lynorian> Why do they need to do it in a web browser?