[01:16] I just introduced my two year old to Chorlton and the Wheelies. [01:17] was that wise? [01:17] I think it was necessary. [01:18] * penguin42 used to live near that Chorlton when he was that age [01:18] :-) [01:19] brb [01:38] medlock or hardy? [01:39] Fred Wedlock [01:41] ah these B&W speakers sound absolutely phenomenal at quiet volume levels [01:46] I should buy some bookshelf speakers. [01:46] hey ball, it's been a while - all well? [01:47] daftykins: Not bad thanks. Got my daughter's PC re-imaged with Xubuntu. [01:49] daftykins: How are you? [01:51] nice :D yeah pretty good thanks, been spending the last few days in London doing cabling work and setting up the IT + audio/video in my clients new apartment [01:59] Was IT there mostly Ethernet? [02:00] i had a hand in the spec so i made sure to put 5 x LAN in the lounge behind the TV, one on the little office desk - another behind the master bedroom TV and a couple more in there behind the bluray player [02:00] Any WiFi? [02:00] yep got a Power over Ethernet wifi AP in the kitchen here mounted up in the ceiling of a cupboard [02:01] I have to buy a new DVD player because my two-year-old tortured the old one to death. [02:01] doh! get the LG BP250 - it's a bluray as well but upscales standard DVDs, so if you have any HD TVs they'll look better - it's also super cheap (was under £50 to us) [02:01] also a really neat little small unit [02:02] I don't really want BlueRay [02:03] ...the players are a nuissance because of the software upgrades etc. [02:03] that's calmed down a lot now, i've not had to update one in years [02:03] i think the focus for that hassle has switched to the 4K UHD players now :) [02:04] OK good. I'm also being told to buy a television but I'm struggling to find one (at Best Buy, sadly) that's not a "smart TV" [02:05] mmm, the same chip that enables good image processing is always capable of the fancy smart features so they put it in - it's easy enough to just not connect it to your network if you don't want to use it though [02:06] yeah, some kind of SoC with integrated GPU [02:07] daftykins: It would still have all the nuissance built in. [02:07] they really don't. normally you have to reboot them into smart mode [02:07] same with blu-ray players actually [02:08] they dual boot to separate the (horribly insecure) smart features from the secure content playback [02:08] mmm i've seen it all combined on a 'home' screen now as it happens [02:08] maybe they use virtualization now... dunno [02:09] been a while since i even used a TV :) [02:09] if you really really don't want a smart TV you could always buy a PC monitor [02:09] here's the WAP, just don't tell him i didn't exactly centre it... https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/index.php/s/Y8YDf5Rxq8BBBQd [02:09] and get a separate tuner box for it [02:09] :S [02:09] and an HDMI switch to get more than one input :D [02:10] suddenly you have yourself a modular TV xD [02:10] nah you can get monitors with loads of inputs [02:10] multiple HDMI in one would be odd though [02:10] but if you don't want any "smarts" then i don't see why you'd need more than two inputs at most [02:10] In the family room we had a 19" CRT and a DVD recorder with an ATSC recorder in it. [02:10] my monitor has two DVI and one HDMI [02:10] s/recorder/tuner/ [02:11] yeah but for AV uses i was thinking, ali [02:11] true - no audio through DVI [02:11] so if all HDMI you'd be in a bind over conversion cables and then lack of - yep :D [02:11] i'm sure they exist tho [02:11] maybe [02:11] my monitor is really old. HDMI wwasn't popular [02:12] i'm still rocking my Dells from 2008 - two DVI, HDMI, displayport v1.1, VGA, composite and component in on one display [02:12] yeah i think we have the same one [02:12] ...that TV has since been recycled. [02:12] ah har :D [02:12] ...and the TV that replaced it has its own ATSC tuner. [02:12] ball: glad to hear ;) [02:13] someone here recommended it to me [02:13] possibly you :) [02:13] I'd have to put an aerial up the tower though to receive anything. [02:13] hehe [02:13] i got the first and then loved it so much i sold my old 2407 and got a second to match [02:13] The WiFi you put in, was that 5 GHz? [02:13] i have two ancient 17" 4:3 LCDs either side [02:14] dual band, 600Mb -n and 2:2 stream 866Mb -ac [02:14] I like 4:3 [02:14] one is my old monitor, picked up a second recently for £10 [02:14] daftykins: I'm tempted to turn 2.4 GHz off. [02:14] they are from like 2002 [02:14] ball: but yeah when i visited here before the refurb i saw how busy the 2.4GHz was so told him it was going to be a total no on 2.4 :) [02:14] ...I'll need a new mobile phone first though [02:14] yeah i'm tempted to turn it off too, not 100% sure if every one of their devices does 5GHz though [02:15] I've seen some really sucky 2.4 GHz WiFi networks lately. [02:15] poor performance? [02:15] tis dell has a bug with display port. if you power off the monitor it tells the computer you disconnected it, so it removes that screen and moves all your windows somewhere else [02:15] * ball nods [02:15] Measured 1 Mbit/sec across one of them. [02:16] so i don't use DP and instead have a bunch of converter cables [02:16] hrmm was that not down to your distance from them or property construction? [02:16] and that WAP, aren't you worried about interference from that washer/dryer? [02:16] ali1234: oh yeah mine do that, but i don't think that's a bug - i think that's hotplug - when i used a DVI on each with my older graphics card it didn't know one went off and so didn't care [02:17] daftykins: No, it was just congestion. [02:17] Their 5 GHz LAN was much better. [02:17] yeah it's a "feature" of the spec, but it's totally dumb [02:17] ali1234: he (my client) has a bit of doing things without certain considerations - but this is more of a home from home for him so i don't see there being much laundry getting done :) [02:17] ...but their sucky equipment was on a sucky 2.4GHz AP [02:17] ah i see [02:17] newer models have a setting to disable the "feature" because nobody wants it [02:18] oh that'd be nice, i was starting to think that i would have to source cables without the hotplug pin or something [02:18] not possible on DP - i looked into it [02:18] I like 5 GHz. You get much more elbow room. [02:18] ah that's a shame [02:18] you have to get eg a DP to HDMI converter which blocks the signal [02:18] a friend recently got an nvidia g-sync monitor using DP - and began seeing the same behaviour [02:19] which is what i've done [02:19] active box or just a cable? [02:20] it's technically active but the circuit is so small you could not tell. does not need external power [02:20] ah neat [02:20] just look slike a regular cable [02:20] the builders hadn't put in much cabling here so i had to pop to a nearby Richer Sounds and spend about £150 on cables xD pesky directional HDMIs [02:21] just leant about amazon prime now so i've got a couple of 4K blurays coming in the morning :D [02:21] I didn't know Blueray could do 4k [02:21] ...not that I'll be buying a 4k TV [02:21] you need a whole new player [02:22] and cables xD [02:22] honestly the 4K resolution is arguably no great benefit, but the HDR tech is the real deal [02:22] DVD and a 720p would suit me fine ;-) [02:23] yeah if they did 1080p discs with HDR that'd be fine to me - you just can't appreciate 4K res on say, the 55" LG OLED TV we chose for here - at the distances you want to sit for such a size [02:25] I physically don't have room for a 55" set anyway. [02:25] OLEDs are truly amazing TVs :) [02:25] 35" would be about perfect but I'll probably end up with a 40" [02:25] OLED sounds expensive. [02:25] none of that ugly backlight bleed from LCD - blacks really are black [02:25] yeah it is a bit of a premium, i got my 55" in the black friday sales for £1,150 [02:26] my friend in Houston got hers for $1,400 inc tax in the sales [02:27] That's too much to pay for a television when I have children in the house. [02:27] mmm could be risky [02:28] * ball nods [02:29] ...anyway, the gift card I'm using for the new television has about US$ 280 on it. [02:29] probably one plus of wall mounting, but my clients 4 year old loves to put his handprints all over these TVs [02:30] I should check whether my daughter's Kindle can do 5 GHz WiFi [02:33] Perhaps I should look at a wall bracket. [02:35] the ubiquiti i bought for here came with all that and a PoE injector, so like you saw in the pic it only has a network cable at this end - very nice [02:35] in the front cupboard i have the injector plugged in to send power over that port on the patch panel [02:40] We used a PoE switch at the non-profit I work for. [02:40] At home the wireless router covers the whole house. [02:46] (don't ask about WiFi at my other job ;-) [03:23] :D [03:24] yeah they tend to be a lot more expensive for home use, no other device was planned to be PoE too [03:35] * ball nods [03:35] I like that there are switches that have a few PoE and mostly ordinary ports. [03:39] *nod* little price compromise [08:14] morning boys and girls. [11:04] o/ [11:06] o/ [11:13] o/ [11:13] plans for today... a nice walk in nice weather [11:15] :) [11:15] it's looking all gloomy here in nodnoL [11:27] lots of museums you could putter about... [11:52] yeah, i've just been sent my orders though so there's more to do [11:52] due to surprise extending my trip, i've just had to test-run the washing machine and dryer, too :D [11:54] this is the bit where you have to work out how to drive them [11:54] I once spent about 30mins in one hotel room trying to figure out how to drive the microwave [11:54] xD [11:55] i was afraid that they were switched off at the isolation switches on the wall due to not being plumbed in yet, but didn't want to text the builder guy on a Sunday [11:55] i saw grey hoses at the back though and thought meh, worst case scenario is i flood the place and trash a pricey carpet... :D [12:51] the only question really is... did you install linux on the washer/dryer/microwave.... :-) [12:52] ah that reminds me, my friend in Japan sent me an amusing image [12:52] one mo... [12:55] https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/index.php/s/SRzz38kXoyFdrdj [12:56] containerisation at it's finest! [12:56] zmoylan-pi: you're more than welcome to pinch that for twitter use :) [13:07] swipe... post... :-) https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/982968204548100096 [13:09] :D [13:14] * zmoylan-pi won't be happy till they a line of pyrex so it can work in my oven too... :-) [13:15] zmoylan-pi: let me know how many posts you get asking if you're holidaying in Japan :D [14:49] Afternoon all [16:30] zmoylan-pi: you holidaying in Japan? ;-p [17:00] hrmm a client of mine has a few domains with 123-reg, she asked me to add another email forwarder today, but on logging in i discover that in fact the domain had been moved to 'expired domains' DNS, yet she's been paying just fine [17:00] anyone else seen similar? [17:14] heh wow major issues at their end, at first he was claiming ICANN verification failed [17:31] oh that's going to be fun to fix [17:33] wow this is a colossal example of a perfect storm [18:06] i like the way i bypassed security entirely when on the phone [18:06] maybe best not to do business with 123-reg... [18:26] diddledan: one does not holiday in japan... one sends a drone these days to fit right in... :-P