[01:16] <ball> I just introduced my two year old to Chorlton and the Wheelies.
[01:17] <penguin42> was that wise?
[01:17] <ball> I think it was necessary.
[01:18]  * penguin42 used to live near that Chorlton when he was that age
[01:18] <ball> :-)
[01:19] <ball> brb
[01:38] <ali1234> medlock or hardy?
[01:39] <ball> Fred Wedlock
[01:41] <daftykins> ah these B&W speakers sound absolutely phenomenal at quiet volume levels
[01:46] <ball> I should buy some bookshelf speakers.
[01:46] <daftykins> hey ball, it's been a while - all well?
[01:47] <ball> daftykins: Not bad thanks.  Got my daughter's PC re-imaged with Xubuntu.
[01:49] <ball> daftykins: How are you?
[01:51] <daftykins> nice :D yeah pretty good thanks, been spending the last few days in London doing cabling work and setting up the IT + audio/video in my clients new apartment
[01:59] <ball> Was IT there mostly Ethernet?
[02:00] <daftykins> i had a hand in the spec so i made sure to put 5 x LAN in the lounge behind the TV, one on the little office desk - another behind the master bedroom TV and a couple more in there behind the bluray player
[02:00] <ball> Any WiFi?
[02:00] <daftykins> yep got a Power over Ethernet wifi AP in the kitchen here mounted up in the ceiling of a cupboard
[02:01] <ball> I have to buy a new DVD player because my two-year-old tortured the old one to death.
[02:01] <daftykins> doh! get the LG BP250 - it's a bluray as well but upscales standard DVDs, so if you have any HD TVs they'll look better - it's also super cheap (was under £50 to us)
[02:01] <daftykins> also a really neat little small unit
[02:02] <ball> I don't really want BlueRay
[02:03] <ball> ...the players are a nuissance because of the software upgrades etc.
[02:03] <daftykins> that's calmed down a lot now, i've not had to update one in years
[02:03] <daftykins> i think the focus for that hassle has switched to the 4K UHD players now :)
[02:04] <ball> OK good.  I'm also being told to buy a television but I'm struggling to find one (at Best Buy, sadly) that's not a "smart TV"
[02:05] <daftykins> mmm, the same chip that enables good image processing is always capable of the fancy smart features so they put it in - it's easy enough to just not connect it to your network if you don't want to use it though
[02:06] <ali1234> yeah, some kind of SoC with integrated GPU
[02:07] <ball> daftykins: It would still have all the nuissance built in.
[02:07] <ali1234> they really don't. normally you have to reboot them into smart mode
[02:07] <ali1234> same with blu-ray players actually
[02:08] <ali1234> they dual boot to separate the (horribly insecure) smart features from the secure content playback
[02:08] <daftykins> mmm i've seen it all combined on a 'home' screen now as it happens
[02:08] <ali1234> maybe they use virtualization now... dunno
[02:09] <ali1234> been a while since i even used a TV :)
[02:09] <ali1234> if you really really don't want a smart TV you could always buy a PC monitor
[02:09] <daftykins> here's the WAP, just don't tell him i didn't exactly centre it... https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/index.php/s/Y8YDf5Rxq8BBBQd
[02:09] <ali1234> and get a separate tuner box for it
[02:09] <daftykins> :S
[02:09] <daftykins> and an HDMI switch to get more than one input :D
[02:10] <daftykins> suddenly you have yourself a modular TV xD
[02:10] <ali1234> nah you can get monitors with loads of inputs
[02:10] <daftykins> multiple HDMI in one would be odd though
[02:10] <ali1234> but if you don't want any "smarts" then i don't see why you'd need more than two inputs at most
[02:10] <ball> In the family room we had a 19" CRT and a DVD recorder with an ATSC recorder in it.
[02:10] <ali1234> my monitor has two DVI and one HDMI
[02:10] <ball> s/recorder/tuner/
[02:11] <daftykins> yeah but for AV uses i was thinking, ali
[02:11] <ali1234> true - no audio through DVI
[02:11] <daftykins> so if all HDMI you'd be in a bind over conversion cables and then lack of - yep :D
[02:11] <ali1234> i'm sure they exist tho
[02:11] <daftykins> maybe
[02:11] <ali1234> my monitor is really old. HDMI wwasn't popular
[02:12] <daftykins> i'm still rocking my Dells from 2008 - two DVI, HDMI, displayport v1.1, VGA, composite and component in on one display
[02:12] <ali1234> yeah i think we have the same one
[02:12] <ball> ...that TV has since been recycled.
[02:12] <daftykins> ah har :D
[02:12] <ball> ...and the TV that replaced it has its own ATSC tuner.
[02:12] <daftykins> ball: glad to hear ;)
[02:13] <ali1234> someone here recommended it to me
[02:13] <ali1234> possibly you :)
[02:13] <ball> I'd have to put an aerial up the tower though to receive anything.
[02:13] <daftykins> hehe
[02:13] <daftykins> i got the first and then loved it so much i sold my old 2407 and got a second to match
[02:13] <ball> The WiFi you put in, was that 5 GHz?
[02:13] <ali1234> i have two ancient 17" 4:3 LCDs either side
[02:14] <daftykins> dual band, 600Mb -n and 2:2 stream 866Mb -ac
[02:14] <ball> I like 4:3
[02:14] <ali1234> one is my old monitor, picked up a second recently for £10
[02:14] <ball> daftykins: I'm tempted to turn 2.4 GHz off.
[02:14] <ali1234> they are from like 2002
[02:14] <daftykins> ball: but yeah when i visited here before the refurb i saw how busy the 2.4GHz was so told him it was going to be a total no on 2.4 :)
[02:14] <ball> ...I'll need a new mobile phone first though
[02:14] <daftykins> yeah i'm tempted to turn it off too, not 100% sure if every one of their devices does 5GHz though
[02:15] <ball> I've seen some really sucky 2.4 GHz WiFi networks lately.
[02:15] <daftykins> poor performance?
[02:15] <ali1234> tis dell has a bug with display port. if you power off the monitor it tells the computer you disconnected it, so it removes that screen and moves all your windows somewhere else
[02:15]  * ball nods
[02:15] <ball> Measured 1 Mbit/sec across one of them.
[02:16] <ali1234> so i don't use DP and instead have a bunch of converter cables
[02:16] <daftykins> hrmm was that not down to your distance from them or property construction?
[02:16] <ali1234> and that WAP, aren't you worried about interference from that washer/dryer?
[02:16] <daftykins> ali1234: oh yeah mine do that, but i don't think that's a bug - i think that's hotplug - when i used a DVI on each with my older graphics card it didn't know one went off and so didn't care
[02:17] <ball> daftykins: No, it was just congestion.
[02:17] <ball> Their 5 GHz LAN was much better.
[02:17] <ali1234> yeah it's a "feature" of the spec, but it's totally dumb
[02:17] <daftykins> ali1234: he (my client) has a bit of doing things without certain considerations - but this is more of a home from home for him so i don't see there being much laundry getting done :)
[02:17] <ball> ...but their sucky equipment was on a sucky 2.4GHz AP
[02:17] <daftykins> ah i see
[02:17] <ali1234> newer models have a setting to disable the "feature" because nobody wants it
[02:18] <daftykins> oh that'd be nice, i was starting to think that i would have to source cables without the hotplug pin or something
[02:18] <ali1234> not possible on DP - i looked into it
[02:18] <ball> I like 5 GHz.  You get much more elbow room.
[02:18] <daftykins> ah that's a shame
[02:18] <ali1234> you have to get eg a DP to HDMI converter which blocks the signal
[02:18] <daftykins> a friend recently got an nvidia g-sync monitor using DP - and began seeing the same behaviour
[02:19] <ali1234> which is what i've done
[02:19] <daftykins> active box or just a cable?
[02:20] <ali1234> it's technically active but the circuit is so small you could not tell. does not need external power
[02:20] <daftykins> ah neat
[02:20] <ali1234> just look slike a regular cable
[02:20] <daftykins> the builders hadn't put in much cabling here so i had to pop to a nearby Richer Sounds and spend about £150 on cables xD pesky directional HDMIs
[02:21] <daftykins> just leant about amazon prime now so i've got a couple of 4K blurays coming in the morning :D
[02:21] <ball> I didn't know Blueray could do 4k
[02:21] <ball> ...not that I'll be buying a 4k TV
[02:21] <daftykins> you need a whole new player
[02:22] <daftykins> and cables xD
[02:22] <daftykins> honestly the 4K resolution is arguably no great benefit, but the HDR tech is the real deal
[02:22] <ball> DVD and a 720p would suit me fine ;-)
[02:23] <daftykins> yeah if they did 1080p discs with HDR that'd be fine to me - you just can't appreciate 4K res on say, the 55" LG OLED TV we chose for here - at the distances you want to sit for such a size
[02:25] <ball> I physically don't have room for a 55" set anyway.
[02:25] <daftykins> OLEDs are truly amazing TVs :)
[02:25] <ball> 35" would be about perfect but I'll probably end up with a 40"
[02:25] <ball> OLED sounds expensive.
[02:25] <daftykins> none of that ugly backlight bleed from LCD - blacks really are black
[02:25] <daftykins> yeah it is a bit of a premium, i got my 55" in the black friday sales for £1,150
[02:26] <daftykins> my friend in Houston got hers for $1,400 inc tax in the sales
[02:27] <ball> That's too much to pay for a television when I have children in the house.
[02:27] <daftykins> mmm could be risky
[02:28]  * ball nods
[02:29] <ball> ...anyway, the gift card I'm using for the new television has about US$ 280 on it.
[02:29] <daftykins> probably one plus of wall mounting, but my clients 4 year old loves to put his handprints all over these TVs
[02:30] <ball> I should check whether my daughter's Kindle can do 5 GHz WiFi
[02:33] <ball> Perhaps I should look at a wall bracket.
[02:35] <daftykins> the ubiquiti i bought for here came with all that and a PoE injector, so like you saw in the pic it only has a network cable at this end - very nice
[02:35] <daftykins> in the front cupboard i have the injector plugged in to send power over that port on the patch panel
[02:40] <ball> We used a PoE switch at the non-profit I work for.
[02:40] <ball> At home the wireless router covers the whole house.
[02:46] <ball> (don't ask about WiFi at my other job ;-)
[03:23] <daftykins> :D
[03:24] <daftykins> yeah they tend to be a lot more expensive for home use, no other device was planned to be PoE too
[03:35]  * ball nods
[03:35] <ball> I like that there are switches that have a few PoE and mostly ordinary ports.
[03:39] <daftykins> *nod* little price compromise
[08:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[11:06] <brobostigon> o/
[11:13] <daftykins> o/
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> plans for today... a nice walk in nice weather
[11:15] <brobostigon> :)
[11:15] <daftykins> it's looking all gloomy here in nodnoL
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> lots of museums you could putter about...
[11:52] <daftykins> yeah, i've just been sent my orders though so there's more to do
[11:52] <daftykins> due to surprise extending my trip, i've just had to test-run the washing machine and dryer, too :D
[11:54] <penguin42> this is the bit where you have to work out how to drive them
[11:54] <penguin42> I once spent about 30mins in one hotel room trying to figure out how to drive the microwave
[11:54] <daftykins> xD
[11:55] <daftykins> i was afraid that they were switched off at the isolation switches on the wall due to not being plumbed in yet, but didn't want to text the builder guy on a Sunday
[11:55] <daftykins> i saw grey hoses at the back though and thought meh, worst case scenario is i flood the place and trash a pricey carpet... :D
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> the only question really is... did you install linux on the washer/dryer/microwave.... :-)
[12:52] <daftykins> ah that reminds me, my friend in Japan sent me an amusing image
[12:52] <daftykins> one mo...
[12:55] <daftykins> https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/index.php/s/SRzz38kXoyFdrdj
[12:56] <penguin42> containerisation at it's finest!
[12:56] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: you're more than welcome to pinch that for twitter use :)
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> swipe... post... :-) https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/982968204548100096
[13:09] <daftykins> :D
[13:14]  * zmoylan-pi won't be happy till they a line of pyrex so it can work in my oven too... :-)
[13:15] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: let me know how many posts you get asking if you're holidaying in Japan :D
[14:49] <DJones_> Afternoon all
[16:30] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you holidaying in Japan? ;-p
[17:00] <daftykins> hrmm a client of mine has a few domains with 123-reg, she asked me to add another email forwarder today, but on logging in i discover that in fact the domain had been moved to 'expired domains' DNS, yet she's been paying just fine
[17:00] <daftykins> anyone else seen similar?
[17:14] <daftykins> heh wow major issues at their end, at first he was claiming ICANN verification failed
[17:31] <penguin42> oh that's going to be fun to fix
[17:33] <daftykins> wow this is a colossal example of a perfect storm
[18:06] <daftykins> i like the way i bypassed security entirely when on the phone
[18:06] <daftykins> maybe best not to do business with 123-reg...
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan: one does not holiday in japan... one sends a drone these days to fit right in... :-P