[07:10] <willem> flocculant, didn know about https://wiki.xubuntu.org/qa/isotesting yet. Will have a look. Am thinking about several ways to go:
[07:11] <willem> Some people like to read; some people like visuals; some people like simply to skip any reading or information and want to simply dig in... 
[07:12] <willem> Perhaps there is a way to cater for all...
[08:04] <Leigh_on_sea> willem: could you tell me which irc bouncer you used and point me towards links to get it up and running?
[08:06] <willem> Sure. 
[08:07] <willem> ZNC: https://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
[08:08] <willem> As a client I use HexChat.
[08:08] <willem> ZNC+HExChat work together quite well I find.
[08:09] <Leigh_on_sea> I have done some reading and my initial thoughts are that the current set-up with  an introduction page (https://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa) and also a more in depth doc on everything (https://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa.html) is good but that the intro page needs to be developed and extended whilst remaining very simple.
[08:09] <Leigh_on_sea> thanks
[08:09] <Leigh_on_sea> I had found ZNC myself
[08:12] <willem> Leigh_on_sea, from what I read I find the information is all there, but it's written from the point of view of the developers-side of things. I am making a first setup/draft/concept where I start from the point of view of the end user. Will share that with you shortly, so that you can shoot at it.
[08:13] <Leigh_on_sea> OK, thanks
[08:15] <Leigh_on_sea> I am not in today but will try to set up ZNC so I don't miss posts. How will we exchange files etc? email?
[08:15] <flocculant> do it on e-mail and cc me in :)
[08:16] <flocculant> thanks both for thinking about this 
[08:16] <flocculant> and good morning
[08:17] <willem> Leigh_on_sea, apropos bouncer: I believe pleia2 may be able to help you there.
[08:17] <Leigh_on_sea> I found a guide, will try to follow that and shout if I need help
[08:18] <Leigh_on_sea> what about android IRC?
[08:19] <willem> flocculant, I'll e-mail you, but as I don't have Leigh_on_sea's e-mail I'll rely on you to relay it on, and -if alright with Leigh_on_sea, to cc me so that I have his e-mail address.
[08:20] <willem> flocculant, good morning btw. 
[08:20]  * willem reminds himself that good manners are essential even on IRC
[08:20] <flocculant> well I'd imagined that you two could do some back and forth and I'd interject if needed :)
[08:20] <flocculant> willem: check the xubuntu user list for mails from Leigh_on_sea :)
[08:21] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2018-April/010505.html
[08:21]  * willem facepalms for the bleeding obviousness of flocculant's suggestion :-)
[08:21] <flocculant> :)
[08:21] <willem> flocculant, thank
[08:21] <willem> ou
[08:21] <flocculant> np
[08:22] <flocculant> also - re good manners, the Ubuntu CoC counts everywhere ;)
[08:22] <flocculant> Leigh_on_sea: did try android irc once - didn't work well for me - but it was a while ago and I'm not good at paying for apps there ;)
[08:23] <flocculant> Leigh_on_sea: also re irc bouncer - just mentioning the obvious here - but I assume you realise you need an always on machine for it to work
[08:26] <Leigh_on_sea> good morning :)
[08:34] <Leigh_on_sea> Flocculant: No, I didnt realise that - in fact that makes no sense to me as if I have to leave the machine on, why wouldnt I leave my client on (I am using Pidgin) and then I have no need for a bouncer?
[08:35] <Leigh_on_sea> With people like me it is always good policy to state the bleeding obvious :) 
[08:35] <flocculant> :)
[08:35] <Leigh_on_sea> have to go, small person getting shirty about going to the beach
[08:36] <flocculant> yea bouncers need to be always on somehow - or you'd lose it, there are logs of this channel - updated hourly(ish) at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[08:36] <flocculant> have fun at the beach then - cya another time
[08:40] <willem> Leigh_on_sea, wasn't it you who had a raspberry pi running with OSMC? So have I, and that pi is running 24x7 and it's on that pi I installed ZNC
[08:40] <willem> Works like a treat
[08:40] <Leigh_on_sea> I have 10 around the house, one for the boat :)
[08:40] <Leigh_on_sea> will look into it
[08:40] <willem> great
[08:49] <willem> Leigh_on_sea, My pi runs OSMC, pi-hole, RED-node and ZNC -  no problems whatsoever.
[08:50]  * willem will be away for a bit
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[20:51] <ochosi> ali1234: why not put svgtopng directly into the python package?
[20:51] <ali1234> i don't know how
[20:51] <ochosi> would be more convenient to install, and it's a mandatory requirement anyway
[20:51] <ochosi> oh ok
[20:51] <ochosi> (still generating my first diff, seems i chose a biggy :p)
[20:51] <ali1234> bootstrap is already in there but that does not need to be compiled
[20:52] <ochosi> right, but couldn't you ship svgtopng precompiled?
[20:52] <ali1234> not really
[20:53] <ali1234> it's written in C
[20:53] <ali1234> so it would break
[20:53] <ali1234> i'll ask #python how to build it at install time
[20:54] <ali1234> actually since it only seems to use gtk i can probably rewrite it in python
[20:55] <ali1234> it #includes libxfce4ui but i can't see where it uses it
[20:58] <ochosi> probably not necessary
[20:59] <ochosi> but yeah, rewriting in python wold probably be the cleanest solution
[20:59] <ochosi> even if that means it'll be a little slower at runtime
[21:00] <ochosi> (maybe not by much if optimized)
[21:00] <ochosi> nice work on the whole diff viewing
[21:00] <ochosi> really really helpful
[21:00] <ali1234> probably will be faster since there will not be the overhead of spawning a new process. the actual code speed difference will not be measuable
[21:01] <ali1234> i can also add an entry point that will let you call svgtopng directly
[21:03] <ochosi> nice work on the gradient conversion by the way
[21:04] <ochosi> the remaining part for me is to adjust the gradient stops i guess
[21:04] <ali1234> there's a bunch of files i could not convert too
[21:05] <ali1234> too complex, i didn't know how to handle it
[21:05] <ali1234> i listed them anyway
[21:05] <ali1234> also not sure if i did the stroke right
[21:05] <ochosi> oh, plus the stroke needs to be recolored
[21:05] <ali1234> i did recolour some of them
[21:05] <ali1234> there could also be radial gradients
[21:06] <ochosi> no problem, i'll dig through the icons
[21:06] <ochosi> there were quite a few more files touched though than expected
[21:06] <ali1234> a lot of them have really tiny green bits
[21:06] <ochosi> not sure why e.g. go-home would be modified
[21:06] <ochosi> there are no green bits in that one
[21:07] <ali1234> maybe the stroke
[21:08] <ali1234> actually that was isn't modified
[21:08] <ali1234> except for vacuum defs
[21:09] <ochosi> hm
[21:10] <ochosi> i only compared cf2bf4acbcbb1d54673fb484cac2a72a5a4a5218 to bfab3bcf27977cc3d09eeb0c195b32fd05d072bd
[21:11] <ali1234> checking
[21:12] <ali1234> go-home doesn't appear in that for me
[21:15] <ochosi> strange
[21:16] <ochosi> i'll clean up and try again
[21:19] <ochosi> ali1234: did you try on your own branch?
[21:19] <ochosi> oh crap
[21:19] <ochosi> i'm just too tired obviously :p
[21:20] <ochosi> i forgot i first tried with -a and never removed the parameter
[21:23] <ochosi> ok nice, i think i can manually fix those 119
[21:28] <ali1234> back
[21:41] <ochosi> ali1234: so i'll try to clean up the icons and make them ready locally and then do the merge on the repo
[21:42] <ochosi> thanks for saving me a lot of time there!
[21:42] <ochosi> it's still quite a bit of effort i'm afraid (gotta re-create the border stroke for every icon, set the correct color/opacity and remove the border from the gradient path) but it's a lot less than without your help
[21:43] <ochosi> (oh and adjust the gradient steps)
[22:13] <ali1234> ochosi: pushed a pure python svgtopng
[22:14] <ali1234> i think it should be 100% compatible with the C version
[22:14] <ali1234> except for the default size stuff
[22:15] <ali1234> that should be fixed now
[22:16] <ali1234> also remember you can use tag and branch names :)