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 Hello to you @ARGA_GoodKids and @coolhacker_1.  Please take a moment to review this helpful welcome page and we look forward to your participation in the community! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hey guys, back when Cannonical was supporting the project I implemented Bulgarian keyboard layout to the keyboard-component. It then got approved to be merged to the mainline. However, before the next OTA they stopped the project. So I'm wondering now, that I started using my Aquaris4.5 again, is keyboard-component any different than
[08:41] <ubptgbot>  before or I can just copy-paste the old code from cannonical's repository to the new one? And one more thing, back then I haven't tried to play with the code I've written on a device - it passed all tests from the test suite and it was accepted. Do I need to test with device and if so... is there an documentation how to do this, emulator, etc?
[08:54] <luxpir> hi folks. still on latest ubuntu (before shutting down) version here - screen broke and I was happy without smartphone for ages
 I believe the component is exactly the same. I don't think you need testing because you just replace letters / symbols (it's going to function exactly as English just the letters will be Bulgarian)
[08:55] <luxpir> just fixed screen and updated signal client, wanted to sync to desktop client but my rear-cam isn't working - tried reseating the board, but it's not coming back on. front facing cam isn't working with tagger/the signal client add device option
[08:55] <luxpir> any ideas to fix rear facing cam?
[08:56] <luxpir> seeing nothing on ubuntu-phone mailing list archive, where I normally dredge up fixes
[08:56] <luxpir> (did try an OTG connection to webcam, but as per latest post on mailing list, no dice)
[08:57] <luxpir> (aquaris 4.5 btw)
 @NikosChat, Thanks, man! I'll see into it later today, or tomorrow then. Do I need to be a member to make merge requests?
 @skrech, No pull requests are always welcome
 cool then! :)
[09:09] <luxpir> anyone fixed a rear-facing cam on aquaris 4.5 before?
[09:22] <luxpir> oh, think I've got it. it had come off it's glued pad. if it's not connected this time, will prob get there soon.
[09:22] <luxpir> cheers for advice :)
 @dohbee thank you for the new Authenticator app!
 It appears in the OpenStore app as a new app and not as an update. Is that right?
 @skrech, We encourage this to become part of official Ubuntu Touch right @Flohack ? Just confirming that is what you mean by 'pull requests are welcome.... I'm not the smartest developer here ;)
 @skrech, We would also let you know that we could help you start a Bulgarian language group if you or someone you know could commit yo being a Language Captain (not that hard)
 @wayneoutthere, Yes, basically anyone who has a Github account can contribute to those things. Its later on of course also possible to become a community member and get more possibilities ;)
 I notice that there are open branches for features on launchpad which seem finished and just need review.. for example  https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1637202
[12:15] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1637202 in Oxide "Add file picker to UbuntuWebView" [High,In progress]
 a file picker for what purpose? i just tested, i can load a webmail page in a webview window, start a new mail, click to add an attachement and it sends me to the content hub. from there i could select the file browser.
 isn't that enough?
 I don't know, there are others open branches, like the implemnetation of <input type="date" />
 @Flohack, thanks. just confirming
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 Hello everyone I want to install Ubuntu touch in my Nexus 5 32 plz suggest me how to install it
 @Khushal253, Check out this: … https://ubuntu-touch.io/install … If you have problems you will find help there: … https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 I think you will be in luck @Khushal253 .  But I suggest you start by cjecking out this welcome page first and then join our install room from there.  Thanks!  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 [Edit] I think you will be in luck @Khushal253 .  But I suggest you start by checking out this welcome page first and then join our install room from there.  Thanks!  https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @sap_nocops, I think it would be an interesteing project to detail some of these features and to bring them to ubports if at all possible.  … I guess some may not fit the direction of UBports any longer but I presume that most were created for good reason.
 Who had write the last message in the news channel? … @Twinkeybot does not exist 😉
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 @padraic7a, It depends. It will be a lot of work, and you have to make sure the copyright and authorship is dealt with correctly.
 Welcome Giovanni !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 @advocatux, right. it's a fork, so a new app.
 @dohbee, Maybe it would be better to change the app name to avoid confussion?
 the old one will get removed from the store soon enough
 confusion you say? https://open-store.io/?sort=relevance&search=ebay
 Yeah, the OpenStore needs a cleaning but you don't have to follow the bad examples there 😋 … Anyway, is enough to copy `ubuntu-authenticator.conf` into your new app?
 renamed to `authenticator.conf`
 OK, thank you again and kudos for the new app
 i've updated the description, but openstore seems to have some issues with how to display things there
[13:51] <luxpir> just checking, there's no way to upgrade to ubports (from ubuntu phone... classic?) without reflashing?
 right. it's on a different server, different image build numbers, etc...
[13:54] <luxpir> half-thought I could change my sources etc. linux-style, but that's overly optimistic, eh
[13:54] <luxpir> there's v little I'd want to keep anyway, so backup should be quick. is it worth it on an aquaris 4.5 though?
 no, apt is not used
 you can flash without losing data
[13:54] <luxpir> seeing as it's not fully supported anymore?
 ? e4.5 is supported
[13:54] <luxpir> o ok, dohbee, will try to find the process
[13:55] <luxpir> supported, but security only wasn't it? no new features?
 @luxpir, what OS/version are you running on your PC?
[13:55] <luxpir> latest deb, stable
[13:56] <luxpir> (i lose track of names... squeeze?)
 there aren't really any new features going to 15.04 on any devices. all the supported devices will get 16.04 when it's ready for stable
 ok, then yeah, you should be able to follow the instructions for using ubports-installer, at https://ubuntu-touch.io
[13:57] <luxpir> oh ok, i looked a few months back and didn't see an installer. thx.
[13:57] <luxpir> that's where I got info that support for e4.5 was limited too.
 you must have misinterpreted "leagcy devices" on ubports.com site
[13:58] <luxpir> yeah trying to dig up page now. it was on ubports.com I think
[13:59] <luxpir> but you know, not to labour the point, I'm sure it said security only...
[13:59] <luxpir> the copy is different now
 there's only one rootfs tarball, so all devices get the same "features" generally
 luxpir see http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices
 some devices lack support for certain features, due to hardware limitations or such, but there's nothing special about individual devices in that respect
[14:02] <luxpir> ok, good to know dohbee. advocatux - it didn't look like that a few months back - there was another section for legacy devices
 there are occasionally special cases where certain features may have to be explicitly disabled for some devices (ie, hotspot on mako), but all devices get the same rootfs
[14:02] <luxpir> (the situation, I mean more than the page itself)
[14:02] <luxpir> so you mention retaining data - it looks from the installer that that isn't the case.
 yes, that was just some unfortuante categorization
 @luxpir, just make sure you don't enable the wipe option
[14:03] <luxpir> ok dohbee, thanks for confirming (i'm not going mad - it's what stopped me from reflashing at the time) - and cheers for mentioning the no-wipe part
 you should probably back-up data just in case
[14:05] <luxpir> thanks dohbee
 if developer mode is enabled and you can connect with adb, then on your PC, do: `mkdir -p phone-backup && (cd phone-backup && adb pull . .)` i think
[14:07] <luxpir> thanks, already backed up recently via similar method
[14:07] <luxpir> not using it as phone atm as I can't trust myself with a smartphone :)
[14:08] <luxpir> just good to have 'just in case'.
[14:08] <luxpir> had to blacklist a bunch of ubuntu.com domains on pihole this morning though, after realising how many requests it was making (dash.ubuntu.com, login.ubuntu.com and some others)
[14:09] <luxpir> still the case in ubports?
 i don't know what pihole is
[14:09] <luxpir> the gh issues page unfortunately shows the "can't close call" issue still a problem though - it was fixed for me in latest Canonical. Don't want to re-introduce it.
[14:10] <luxpir> sorry, pihole is an hostsfile/ad blocker/dns manager that runs on raspberry pi.
[14:10] <luxpir> https://pi-hole.net/
[14:10] <luxpir> it's reasonably popular, so assumed it'd be known here - apologies
 ok, well i don't know what you're running on your pi
[14:11] <luxpir> erm, no, but the point was the phone was making 80,000 requests a month to ubuntu servers
[14:11] <luxpir> from a privacy POV, I obviously wasn't pleased with that
 canonical has disabled most of the services they hosted, which were used on the phones. necessary services are hosted elsewhere now (open-store.io, push.ubports.com)
 well, it has to check for app/system updates from the server
 and you can't get push notifications, without a connection to the push server
 etc
[14:13] <luxpir> push notifications for updates only, right, not messages or anything personal?
 push notifications are really only for telegram right now i guess
[14:14] <luxpir> ok.
 i don't think @flohack resolved why the broadcast push notification for system updates wasn't working yet
[14:15] <luxpir> dohbee - shame, but not overly critical. is there anywhere I can see a summary/changelog of ubports work vs canonical?
 @dohbee, Hmm one easy reason is we do not send it out :P
 Actually it would be a cool feature
 right now there's basically no difference. it's currently mostly "get to status quo, and get migrated to 16.04 as soon as possible)
 So maybe for the next OTA we can try
[14:17] <luxpir> ok, good to know - might hold out till then if things are working ok for me now
 @Flohack, i thought you tried when you migrated the server, and i told you about that feature, but you were saying it wasn't getting accepted by push server for some reason?
 @luxpir, well, currently on the old canonical images, there is no working store, no working push notifications, no working updates, etc
 but if all you want is to be able to make phone calls, a nokia 3310 works just as well (probably better, since the battery basically lasts forever on those old dumb phones)
[14:19] <luxpir> dohbee - I managed to grab the openstore app before canonical went away, so I have been able to install the latest Signal version, which was all I cared about.
[14:20] <luxpir> I have a dumbphone for phone calls, been using it since the screen broke on my ub-phone (which I just fixed recently) - actually enjoy life more with a dumbphone, I'm not shitting you
[14:20] <luxpir> don't even know the model, it's more basic than the 3310
 @dohbee, Hmm never tried this actually, if I remember right. Theoretically this wire should be hot, so maybe I try to do one manually ;) - There was some restriction though, I nedd to take a look on the client code
[14:22] <luxpir> so basically I just installed the signal desktop client, needed the latest phone app to sync it, and now don't really need the phone. thinking of using it as an ereader... but not convinced yet.
 @luxpir, 2fa token device at least.
[14:24] <luxpir> oh right, was going to mention. i needed it to access my ISPs services, b/c I set them up with 2fa before I cracked the screen (who does roofing with their phone in their pocket, srsly...) and had no access without the phone.
 @luxpir, i just released a new authenticator app in open-store :)
[14:25] <luxpir> ooh nice, what's it called?
 @luxpir, https://open-store.io/app/authenticator-ng.dobey
[14:26] <luxpir> oh cool, an update of the one I have, I think
[14:26] <luxpir> thanks for the authenticator!
[14:26] <luxpir> what's new?
 well, a fork of it. not a straight update, due to namespaces and confinement
[14:26] <luxpir> ah ok
 active maintenance, renaming, and fixed a few issues in it
[14:27] <luxpir> nice, good one. do you port it to other platforms, or just stay on UB?
 also going to release it on android and builds for use on PCs in the future
[14:28] <luxpir> was going to say, you've prob got a bunch of useful code in there to reuse
[14:28] <luxpir> I need to shift back to a PC one really, in case the phone goes again
 i have both
 i actually use the same app on my workstation. just built from git (and as i'm working on features there)
[14:29] <luxpir> ah very good
[14:29] <luxpir> suppose you can share data that way
[14:30] <luxpir> what's your gh link?
[14:30] <luxpir> oh got it
 way easier to debug things on a real computer, than on a phone
[14:30] <luxpir> just a bit, I bet
 yeah, you can just copy the config directory over, to have the data be the same
[14:31] <luxpir> you have another github star!
[14:31] <luxpir> congrats :)
 heh
[14:32] <luxpir> is this irc channel bridged to matrix or telegram or something, btw?
 telegram, yes
 i guess the matrix bridge is also via irc
[14:32] <luxpir> I won't talk about it's privacy record or russian owner. oops :)
 well, for a transparent open source community channel, privacy doesn't really matter there. it's all in the open
 so perfectly fine to use it for that :)
[14:34] <luxpir> the old 'fur's OK if it's second hand' routine :) (fwiw I don't care too much about fur)
 but yeah, the only reason i use it is because it was the only thing that actually worked on ubuntu back when i used it as my phone os, and everyone else involved was also using it
[14:35] <luxpir> ah yes, it was the one early on, I remember
 @dohbee, When you get it built for desktop, will copying the data work as well? I'd like to have two authenticators in case one stops working; it's happened before.
[14:35] <luxpir> amolith yeah, same thing I'm looking at - he just said it does work fine by copying
 @amolith, yes, you can just copy the config file directly. it's the exact same code running in both places
 Capacitor in my last phone blew and I had to jump through hoops to get some stuff back. Mostly, I just had to create new accounts.
 @luxpir, I thought that was referring to going from the old app to the new app on UT lol
 @dohbee, I'll definitely be watching it then! 😊
[14:37] <luxpir> oh sorry amolith - with you. my signal data copied over perfectly to new fork, similar instructions on authenticator page
 @amolith, yeah, once you have config in the new app, you can just copy the config directory across to any devices where you want to run the app, to have the same accounts set up. but keeping them in sync if you do, is an exercise left to the reader, for now :)
 @dohbee, I didn't think about keeping them in sync lol
[14:45] <luxpir> dohbee - hey, dohbee thanks for clearing up the ports situation and will keep an eye out for 16.04 news
 sure
 Is there a URL to a list of unsupported devices that the community are working on?
 @haoyun, utg and php? now i'm interested ⭐w:star:
 @Mark, No sorry, there are a lot of ppl trying to do porting work, but they are not centrally listed
 :) Thanks @Flohack.
 @Mark, But Moto G 2014 for sure. And a Chinese user did finish smth on a CHinese phone. These are the only 2 I know which are working
 @Flohack, What about Halium issue page on GitHub?
 @unknown, Well Halium is one part, but a successful Halium means in no way a fully working UT. So, you need to find ppl who worked out a Halium or classical boot environment AND are running UT without issues. That said, Halium wont boot 15.04, so even if such a port exists, its not good for daily use.
 @Flohack, :) Thank you.
 Development update if anyone want to read: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1107/fallen-tree-in-the-development-road-development-update-09-april-2018
 Thank you Dear Leader 🙌
 @mariogrip, welcome back and don't forget!  Delegate work to *us* so that you can work *smarter* ;)
 for example, want that message blasted o nthe news channel?  I know a guy....  ;)
 🤔
 Hey guys :) So I just took out my old mx4, and it asks me for the passcode  - there is a way to deactivate it without having to do an hard reset?
[19:51] <ubptgbot> <Luis Fortanet> Great Marius 💪💪💪.. Thanks!!
 @rpadovani, That would make passcodes rather pointless 😂
 @Stereofont, well, if the phone is not encrypted and someone has access, they are pointless - I think they are more for avoiding people snooping while you leave it unattended for a couple of miuntes
 I just wanted to show it to a friend, and not want to reconfigure it all :D
 Actually, this sounds more shady than I thought 🤔
 If it has been stuffed in a drawer that long, time to install UBports version
 @rpadovani, only if in a situation where they could reboot to bootloader and copy an image of the flash off the phone (or if they stole the phone)
 and well, i guess you can flash the recovery with adb, reboot to recovery, and try to reset the password that way
 similar to "recovery mode" booting on a PC
 but more of a pain to do
 @dohbee, It's an idea, but probably would be faster resetting and reconfiguring it :D
 yeah, would definitely be faster to re-flash
 well, normally. you said mx4, so it might be a pain either way :)
 😂
 mx4 seemed to have usb connectivity issues for everyone
 shame, I enjoyed using it as my main phone
 well, i would say to try and flash it with ubports-installer then
 worst case is you'll have problems because of the finicky usb
 indeed it is stuck :/
 hey @rpadovani , I've just seen you aren't in the italian group... wanna join @ubportsitaliano ?
 @mymike00, thanks, but no thanks, I'm just lurking sometimes to see what's going on - first loves are hard to forgot :D
 ok, as you want... can I ask you why you left the project?
 @mymike00, burn out probably? I did a lot of things the first 2/3 years - then I lost interest 6 months before Canonical dropped support
 AHA, but I can connect the device to wifi without unlocking it, and then I can ssh in it because I still have the old keys \o/ Now i just need to find a way to reset the passcode
 well if you used a pin, it's only one of 10000 possible, so you can write a script to brute force it via sudo maybe?
 if you used a passphrase though, good luck :)
 i think the getting blocked at the lock screen bit is implemented in unity8 directly, iirc
 I used a pin :D
 so brute force pi nmight work, but will be slow since you ave to insert sleeps, because pam doesn't like being spammed
 @rpadovani, hoping the interest will return 😍😉
 @dohbee, seems to be able to try 5 pins / sec, so with a medium luck in 17 minutes I should find it
 5825 \o/
 you're welcome :)
 thanks for support and suggestions :)
 Sorry about having to leave at an inopportune time yesterday, @Flohack. Is Weblate happy again?