[00:06] 10 years since the last time i joined this channel.. Damn === mat__ is now known as Guest877 [00:08] can i use media classic player on linux mint [00:11] hi [00:12] anyone here ...? [00:15] pet Yes. Just ask your question. [00:15] ok [00:15] vsftpd+selfsigned ssl cert [00:15] on ubuntu [00:15] hey, after updating from 16.04 to 17.10, i cannot login. i keep getting sent back to the login screen. i am able to access tty or whatever onn crtl alt f2 [00:15] help? [00:16] vsftpd fails to start with systemctl [00:16] but works with sudo vsftpd [00:16] vsftpd NOT ask me for a PEM pass phrase [00:17] thats not good [00:17] when i try to start it with systemd [00:18] anywhere the password was entered into the config? [00:18] :( [00:19] mordecai, that its for me? [00:19] ive never setup vsftpd. is there a place in the config where you enter the password for the pem file? [00:20] yes i set the pass when i gen the cert, but when in try to start vsftpd systemd not ask me for pass and fails to start [00:20] ok i see [00:21] iMin3Ra1n|Sober, you may have a wrong keymap at login? did you try with different users? otherwise i would try to add a new user from tty to see... [00:21] i would check the log file and see exactly why it fails. not sure where exactly the log is. may try /var/log/messages [00:22] see if theres any info there. otherwise i would google log file location [00:22] no log [00:23] all google examples for generate certs with openssl for vsftpd are with -nodes option that avoid pass cert. [00:23] with -nodes option it works fine [00:24] i dont know if its a vsftpd or systemd issue === tau is now known as Guest145 [00:29] when i edit iptables, where does the config go? [00:30] i know it's temporary, but is there a file that stores it for a session? [00:30] or is it kept in memeory? [00:42] rud0lf: I stick it in /etc/network/iptables and called it with a post-up for the lo interface [00:42] thanks [00:49] Hi [00:52] o/ [01:00] Hello how to add more size to /dev/root [01:00] How can i increase dev/root size, becuase it is %99 full? [01:01] Checkmate virtual machine? [01:01] no [01:01] akik: Bashing-om: i posted my reply to https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1030325/linux/nvidia-driver-installation-nvidia-version-magic-4-4-0-116-generic-smp-mod_unload-modversions-should-be-4-4-0-116-generic-smp-mod_unload-modversions-retpoline-/post/5250173/#5250173 [01:03] Checkmate just make a new partition then use something like rsync and move the files over then use your old partition as a boot partition [01:04] dont forget to update the boot loader [01:04] Checkmate: what is /dev/root ? [01:04] i wanted to add space to / [01:04] Checkmate: /boot full ? show in a pastenin ' df -h ' . Rather than increase - remove ? [01:05] Checkmate: How big is / ? [01:06] pastebin.com/raw/CP0TbtnY [01:06] leftyfb I have 20G but i want to add more [01:07] Checkmate: boot a live cd, use gparted to resize /home and give space to root [01:08] leftyfb its not possible by command? [01:08] it is possible, but it's MUCH easier to just use gparted [01:08] Checkmate: also, you're not doing this while the OS is running [01:09] the command lvextend -L +60G /dev/root give me error [01:11] Checkmate: You can't just say "give me error". That doesn't help anyone help you. Also, since both your /home and /boot are their own partitions and not LVM volumes, where do you expect to gain this 60G of space from? [01:20] How to determine which partitions are primary using gparted [01:21] leftyfb how to fix that miss [01:21] Checkmate: you haven't answered the queston [01:21] question* [01:22] which one [01:23] Checkmate: the last one I asked you [01:23] i will add space to root from the 2TB i have [01:23] Checkmate: Is there unpartitioned space on your drive? [01:23] yes /home/ [01:23] That is not unpartitioned space [01:24] /home is a partition and has a filesystem on it [01:24] Checkmate: You'll need to boot a live cd [01:24] Checkmate: to resize /home [01:24] and leave the empty space for LVM to utilize [01:26] Checkmate: from what you pasted, you are only using 10% of / anyway [01:26] Checkmate: 17G is plenty for a root filesystem [01:27] can i do that with resize2fs ? [01:27] Checkmate: why do you need to? You have 17G of free space on your / filesystem [01:28] yes but i want to add more [01:28] why? [01:28] the /home/ is empty i want adjuste more on root [01:29] it doesn't need it [01:31] How to determine which partitions are primary using gparted === Pan51 is now known as Fleetwood [02:25] hmmm. im trying to install nvidia-384 from graphics-drivers ppa on ubuntu 14.04 using 'sudo apt install nvidia-384' and its been stuck at 37% saying 'update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-144-generic' for a while now.... whats the deal [02:26] it takes a while to generate it [02:26] don't worry [02:27] not this long though, i tried nvidia-390 and it was done faster than this [02:27] oh [02:27] but i need nvidia-384 === gms is now known as Guest52527 [02:28] isnt there a way for me to check if its actually doing anything [02:32] welp, im looking in /boot/ and i see a initrd.img-3.13.0-144-generic.new and its 0 bytes since 20 minutes ago [02:32] great [02:34] hi [02:35] whats the linux driver needed for most pcs now that sint supported and do distros like mint and what not have it? [02:35] Anyone around? [02:35] I need to set a higher pulseaudio buffer size. === james is now known as Guest18977 [02:44] guess what i solved my problem [02:44] with a very absurd solution [02:45] azizLIGHT: turned it off and on again? [02:45] rud0lf: apparently if you have disk operations going on, update-initramfs gets stuck. something like a dd operation [02:45] dewwii: hi :O [02:45] hi [02:46] fancy seeing you here. and yes i did turn it off/on again and it didnt work [02:46] heh [02:46] more info on this stupid bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1667512/comments/7 [02:46] Launchpad bug 1667512 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "update-initramfs hangs on upgrade, dpkg unusable, unbootable system" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:47] hmm [02:48] last guy comments that this bug still exists on 18.04 alpha [02:48] wow! [02:55] Hi all, could some one help me with an error? I'm using a new thinkpad E480 with Linux Mint 18.3 The hardware is not fully supported yet, so I try to install a new Kernel 4.16, but I'm getting an ERROR: [02:55] ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-4.16.0-041600-generic is not supported [02:55] Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.16.0-041600-generic (x86_64) [02:55] Consult /var/lib/dkms/ndiswrapper/1.60/build/make.log for more information. [02:56] init_timer(&wrap_timer->timer); [03:32] ? [03:33] anyone here? [03:33] sup === cibs_ is now known as cibs [03:36] . [03:38] ou im here [03:38] hi hades-110 [03:40] yall brothers? [03:44] hello [03:44] Hello, ShriHari. [03:45] oh~~ [03:46] Is it possible to get a notification or something when I get pinged on HexChat like I did on Windows [03:46] on Windows the icon blinked [03:47] luxio dunno, i use textual [03:48] hah... just for test [03:51] anyone know how to make ubuntu 18.04 look like 10.04 with the old desktop? [03:51] does anyone know how to get the gnome version on 16.04? [03:53] mark [03:54] wyseguy: Check out (x)ubuntu .Or the xfce4 DE . [03:54] oh yeah [03:55] xubuntu has a program that edits the visual desktop display so that you can customize it to look like the old gnome [03:57] electricguitar oh nice, installing now [03:57] you remember the name of the tool? [03:57] i kinda forgot [03:57] np [03:57] just explore [03:58] will do [03:58] linux is built for those who explore === Menzador53 is now known as Menzie === Menzador is now known as Guest14347 === lektronx_ is now known as lektronx [04:31] I can mount the filesystem from rescue mode, but that's about it. If I can boot to rescue mode, how do I even start to troubleshoot and fix a boot which hangs? Re-install grub? [04:31] I'm on a custom kernel of ubuntu, Facinf problems with squashfs from a snap install. How do i know if the kernel has a squashfs module or how could I fix the issue? [04:37] hello [04:37] hi, does anyone here use cinnamon? it has a built in screen recorder, but for the life of me i cannot find any information anywhere about this built in recorder supporting audio [04:38] sysRPL: welcome, how can we help you? [04:38] does anyone know if it does? because everything i record with it is video only. and i see no settings anywhere [04:38] I'm on a custom kernel of ubuntu, Facinf problems with squashfs from a snap install. How do i know if the kernel has a squashfs module or how could I fix the issue? [04:39] eraserpencil: we dont support custom kernels here [04:39] !mainline | eraserpencil instead [04:39] eraserpencil instead: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [04:39] it's erm Nvidia's LInux4Tegra v28.2 [04:42] what 's up === kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar === Jochen_wvdT is now known as Schlawiner [05:30] koi [05:30] hai [05:31] anyone [05:40] how to fix it https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MJQRM28W3z/ ? [05:46] anyone online ? [05:46] no [05:46] maybe just me [05:47] dcypher, you know how to fix bug ? [05:47] maybe [05:47] step on it [05:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 , first bad commit is found [05:47] Launchpad bug 1745646 in linux (Ubuntu Artful) "Battery drains when laptop is off (shutdown)" [Medium,In progress] [05:48] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MJQRM28W3z/ [05:49] sorry, to involved for me.... maybe someone else here can help you [05:50] dcypher, thx [05:52] now.. give me a app or malware to reverse and no problem :) [05:54] https://i.gyazo.com/be5c20f81cc403da5502656da447b704.png - Decided to run it in a virtual machine so I can learn about the OS without screwing anything up lol [05:57] if you take a snapshot... [06:28] dcypher, can you please tell how to patch a kernel ? [06:28] dcypher, i am using ubuntu 14.04 [06:37] Hi. Im using ubuntu 17.04 with i3wm. My laptop is sometimes connected over a docking station, which is connected to an hdmi monitor. Now when I want to play sound over this, I can use pavucontrol to set "Analog Output" to "HDMI" output [06:37] This then needs a 3-5seconds until the audio is hearable (why is there a delay?). [06:37] !zesty | fub [06:37] fub: Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) was the 26th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 13th, 2018. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-January/000228.html [06:37] !eol [06:37] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [06:38] Now, when I stopped music for a few seconds/minutes, I cant hear it over hdmi anymore. I need to use pavucontrol again, then set to analog, then again to hdmi, to hear it again [06:38] λ ~ $ cat /etc/issue [06:38] Ubuntu 17.10 \n \l [06:38] sorry, Im using 17.10 === ejat_ is now known as ejat === tom is now known as Guest77004 [06:46] hi [06:47] i have problem with openvpn [06:49] when i connect to openvpn server it connect and in my browser show that my ip is changed but when i want open blocked sites in my country like youtube it doesn't connect [06:50] can anyone help me [06:50] salam [06:51] mrx, openvpn support >>> https://forums.openvpn.net/ === shann_ is now known as shann [07:20] hi [07:20] can anyone help me with booting speed problem...? [07:22] i have booting problem...? [07:23] We all do, on Monday morning. -__- [07:23] can i ask what pulseaudio in our system does? [07:24] it's vital to the sound system [07:24] :D [07:24] does ubuntu default uses sql?? [07:24] no, you have to install it [07:25] sorry im new to linux [07:26] seem like theres alot of hidden file in my os that i just found out [07:27] was thinking if my security had been compromise [07:29] such as what j0k3r [07:32] there were many network manager which are hidden files [07:32] until i click show hidden [07:32] Hi everyone, I am new and just get started with IRC. [07:32] it pops out [07:32] is there anybody available to solve my problem...? [07:33] shree: you got to ask and see [07:33] Hi everyone, I am new and just getting started with IRC. === erasmus is now known as Guest60323 [07:33] i have very slow boot how to reduce that time...? [07:33] [main] [07:33] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile,ofono [07:33] dns=dnsmasq [07:33] [ifupdown] [07:33] managed=false [07:33] shree: which ubuntu version? [07:34] 18.04 [07:34] shree: join #ubuntu+1 [07:34] shree, still in beta so not supported here [07:35] ok [07:37] # network-manager - network connection manager [07:37] # [07:37] # The Network Manager daemon manages the system's network connections, [07:37] # automatically switching between the best available. [07:37] description "network connection manager" [07:37] start on (local-filesystems [07:37] !paste | j0k3r [07:37] j0k3r: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [07:38] opps === nick_ is now known as Guest38620 [07:40] like if i connect to connection 1 [07:40] the system would change to connection 2 [07:41] and connection 1 would be redundant [07:42] how can i have some service run on start [07:43] and not have to service name start it every time i reboot [08:01] anyone willing to work on a new ubuntustudio Bionic install? (the +1 & studio rooms are asleep - only reason I'm asking here) [08:02] stuck in a login loop [08:02] still in beta, so it belongs in #ubuntu+1 SlidingHorn [08:02] cfhowlett I figured...just thought I'd ask [08:02] no worries === Guest60323 is now known as erasmus [08:18] stupid question: is "dd" able to create a bootable windows usb? :x [08:18] yep [08:20] hello, i'm compiling kernel usung "make deb-pkg" there is a way to use custom "changelog" and "control" files instead of auto generated? [08:26] there's one thing I cannot understand properly. I've used dd to create a Manjaro usb stick. but when I didn't used "sync" the usb wasn't able to boot properly. is the "sync" part so important? [08:28] 1st time I've use "sudo dd bs=4M if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/usb status=progress" [08:31] and when I tried to boot it complained about something like "/dev/loop3". I'm just trying to understand why it didn't work like this but worked when I used "&& sync". [08:31] so apparently you should use && sync. [08:34] seems so. but I can't actually find a basis to understand why. xD === juboxi is now known as jubo2 [09:07] Exterminador: it might have been mounted [09:07] Exterminador: i doubt that you can make a 'bootable windows usb' though, what iso is this? [09:10] EriC^^: it will be Windows 7 or 10 and the distro I'm using is Xubuntu [09:15] I think the problem would be when you use UEFI bootable device :) with old fashion booting MBR/BIOS should be fine I think? [09:21] Exterminador: the windows iso isn't literally bootable [09:22] Exterminador: with windows 10 you could make a fat32 partition and copy the contents there if you're going to use uefi, other than that there's [09:22] !winusb | Exterminador [09:22] Exterminador: WinUSB is a tool for preparing bootable Windows Instalation USBs. Please see http://en.congelli.eu/prog_info_winusb.html for instructions on installation and use. #ubuntu does *not* provide support for this tool, so please do not ask for help here if it doesn't work for you. [09:23] thanks. I'll take a look at t [09:23] it* [09:24] EriC^^, are you sure that's going to work with secure boot? ;-) [09:25] I know I even had issues in the early days with secure boot when building bootable disks on windows [09:26] UsQUE: the fat32 method works yeah [09:27] there's nothing sketchy about it at all [09:28] ok cool :D maybe next time I use ubuntu to do it then :) but that was at the start of the secure boot and uefi .. it was even sony laptop, there not made anymore [09:28] is it now days possible to boot up linux os with secure boot enabled? [09:29] UsQUE: yeah ubuntu's efi file is signed [09:30] ok nice :D [09:32] is there a tool to check ram stability? [09:37] hi [09:38] lolo [09:59] Hi [09:59] hi [10:00] Hi folks [10:01] I want to know how can I see contents of bootable Ubuntu HDD on ubuntu [10:01] I am updating my vps. I got this message when upgrading "A new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified." I did not modify this myself, so I assume the VPS company has. Is it safe for me to upgrade this file? [10:01] Like all partitions [10:01] Root, swap, etc. [10:10] Helli [10:10] H koi === kernel is now known as Guest69356 === Guest69356 is now known as kerneldemon === taifun is now known as help === help is now known as Guest2858 [10:38] nice === Guest2858 is now known as pan0ramix [10:39] super [10:40] you should be ok to update it... a vps should just look like any standard computer to linux [10:40] unless im mistaken [10:41] cause it will then point to the most recent kernel that youve installed [10:41] rather than an older one which will probably be deleted making your vps un-bootable [10:48] I want to solve my issue but unsure what to do. [10:49] Hi! If I install 18.04 beta2 right now, will I be able to update it to official release later? [10:50] !final | remix2000[m] [10:50] remix2000[m]: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Bionic and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 18.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal. [10:50] :) so yes [10:50] slidinghorn: thank you :) [10:51] Hello buddies [10:52] How do I read contents of live xfs drive on ubuntu [10:52] ? [10:54] Baapu: what do you mean by "live"? Can't you just browse the drive from the file manager? === markus is now known as Guest51166 [10:55] Baapu: you should be able to just mount and read it like any other fs [10:57] why my ubuntu system restart automatically when i shut it down and some usb device is connected to it [10:57] ducasse, even after applying patch -R , i am still getting battery drain , i need to do git bisect again? [11:01] Guest51166, i don't know, but I'd guess it was a wake-on-* type setting in bios/config of your hardware [11:06] ok i would check it. one more issue i am facing is my crontab is not working properly. the script are not getting executed as they should be . if i run scripts directly they work fine [11:08] Guest51166, if you run jobs directly yourself; they'll have your environment variables; so your cron job doesn't assume these does it (ie. paths defined etc)? === stx is now known as Guest53643 [11:10] also did you check for permissions (is it running as you? or root? or other?) [11:11] how can i fix it [11:11] what paths need to be defined [11:11] no i am not running them as root [11:11] can you share the script? === Anders is now known as Guest26985 [11:11] hi [11:12] Guest51166, i don't know your script, but I'd likely define all paths (ie. assume nothing) [11:13] brainwash: are u talking to me? the scripts are just for battery warning and hard drive temprature warning [11:13] both of them are placed in my home directory [11:14] right. to actually help you we would need to see the content of those scripts [11:14] :q [11:15] a common method to test things is to redirect error output to a file [11:15] so please paste them somewhere [11:15] that WE van [11:15] can help [11:16] https://pastebin.com/WcsKjrbS [11:16] otherwise its impossible [11:16] https://pastebin.com/LpjbN04P [11:17] thats all [11:17] so why you ned Sound? [11:18] I'd think that notify-send won't work because DISPLAY isn't set [11:19] does playing the sound work? [11:20] brainwash: if i run them directly then both notification and sound work perfectly. otherwise none work [11:21] Guest51166: notify-send needs access to your x session to work [11:22] notify-send "blabla" 2>/tmp/error.log [11:22] ducasse: and what about the sound [11:23] brainwash: should i replace the line in my script [11:24] if you want to debug your issue, yes [11:24] Guest51166: i don't know how paplay works, but guessing it might need to run within your session to talk to your pulseaudio daemon [11:25] brainwash:yeah , sure. did it [11:27] with the same method you can check if the paplay command gives any error [11:27] also, you could test with aplay instead [11:27] first bad commit is found but even after doing patch -R , the problem is not solved , it is required to do git bisect again ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 [11:27] Launchpad bug 1745646 in linux (Ubuntu Artful) "Battery drains when laptop is off (shutdown)" [Medium,In progress] [11:28] s10gopal: shouldn't you ask in #ubuntu-kernel? [11:28] brainwash, no one is online there [11:29] then wait a bit [11:29] TJ-, can you please tell [11:29] How do I fix a key that is pressed down whenever I enter a place I can enter text? [11:29] ducasse, Guest51166 i suspect paplay will work (i've used it as I recall; and it works on a non-gui term now) [11:30] yo people wassup ? [11:32] s10gopal: jsalisbury is in #ubuntu-kernel, so best to wait for him to return [11:33] hitman1: what is up? [11:35] R13ose: up is a movie. [11:35] can anyone help me with systemd [11:35] shree: ask away [11:36] brainwash, hp has provided bios update , should i install it ? [11:36] brainwash: can you please look here and tell me how to fix this script. i am having error of "permission denied on line 6". here is the script https://pastebin.com/LpjbN04P [11:36] shree: try #systemd too. [11:37] s10gopal: I don't know. does HP provide a changelog for the update? [11:38] !ask | shree [11:38] shree: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [11:38] brainwash, log Provides improved security. [11:39] i, any known problem of firefox not detecting changes of network interfaces, when using network-manager ? [11:39] s10gopal: then you probably want to install it [11:39] in systemd-analyze userspace taking too much time...about 22sec [11:39] Aliekezhi, I don't think Firefox actually detects anything.... seems to be outside the bounds of what a browser should do [11:40] JimBuntu, it's weird, because other application still get the internet, only firefox requires to be restarted to work again (refresh of pages don't work too) [11:40] Guest51166: no idea how that error message is related to the script [11:41] Aliekezhi, That is odd. [11:41] shree: did you check "systemd-analyze blame"? [11:42] in systemd-analyze blame ==> 14.521s systemd-journal-flush.service [11:43] shree, for comparison - https://pastebin.com/YBA7Cdnp [11:43] JimBuntu, oh maybe, it could come from a firefox option like disable DNS prefetch or something... [11:45] Hi I asked how do I read contents of a bootable Ubuntu drive ? [11:46] Baapu: can you rephrase that? [11:46] I see some encrypted like contents not regular partitions [11:46] shree: check "journalctl -u systemd-journal-flush" [11:47] how to can i do that...i am noob in ubuntu [11:47] Like /, swap, /home, etc. [11:47] @Baapu are you able to boot the computer with a physical or virtual ISO of Ultimate Boot CD? Then you would have a GUI to explore the file system on the computer's hard drive. [11:48] shree: you run that command in a terminal window [11:48] shree: it will display log output for the systemd-journal-flush service [11:49] it giving me a long list of reboot log.. [11:49] Hey just a easy question I hope; If I remove a package and that removes metapackages like "ubuntu-desktop" also being removed [11:50] that's fine right? [11:50] I am logged in from one disk and I want to mount another one that is live and containing data in partitions /, /home , etc. [11:50] like its no big deal it just doesnt match that metapackage anymore so its removed [11:50] If im correct? [11:51] MJCD: which package do you want to remove? [11:51] Is it possible? [11:51] shree: mmh. how much space does "journalctl --vacuum-time=3d" clean up? [11:51] R13ose, its for a detachable vm [11:51] so im trying to trim a lot out [11:51] like alsa [11:51] MJCD: correct [11:51] it doesn't need sound [11:51] TJ-, sweet, thanks [11:52] The other disk is of another system that I want to read in mine [11:52] shree: it could be that you have a large system log file which may potentially slow down boot time [11:52] easy to fix if it does break anyway, just apt-get that metapackage [11:52] MJCD: right [11:53] MJCD: another useful 'trick' when installing is to use --no-install-recommends - that can significantly reduce how many packages are installed [11:53] Any package or something for that ? [11:53] TJ-, ah interesting - I did this from the ubuntu mate mini.iso [11:53] using its installer [11:53] what the hell man [11:53] like alsa-utils [11:53] using 17.10: How can I switch to next/prev workspace using keyboard? In keyboard settings I can only set a shortcut for "switch to workspace no 1,2,34" but not to next or previous [11:54] makes me remove apturl [11:54] which im guessing I dont want to do [11:54] when i close my laptop lid, monitor connected via hdmi also get off , in power settings i have selected do not do anything when lid close [11:54] so now I have to keep sound crap around [11:54] MJCD: --install-recommends is usually the apt default, and it doesn't just install the Recommends: of the package you install, but all packages it depends on, right down the chain. I did a test with Lubuntu and I think the difference was something like 3GB vs 750MB [11:55] TJ-, interesting, im wondering wouldnt it be the same as selecting nothing in the installer? [11:55] same effect? [11:56] Ya disk is explorable from booting [11:56]