[01:51] <jbicha> GunnarHj: howdy, I opened LP: #1762889
[01:51] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1762889 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) "dh_translations doesn't strip .desktop files when more than 1 pot target with meson" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762889
[01:55] <GunnarHj> jbicha: As I wrote in a comment on that libgweather commit, it's worse than that. dh_translations does not do anything, so AFAICT we need to keep all those debian/rules entries for now for all packages with > 1 domain.
[01:55] <jbicha> just a moment…
[01:58] <jbicha> ok, I see. I'm reverting the libgweather commit
[01:58] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Good. But your idea in that bug looks interesting.
[01:58] <jbicha> I um never noticed the _translations.tar.gz before and I didn't realize there is supposed to be a .pot inside it
[01:59] <GunnarHj> The setup is pretty complex... I think I have learned a lot of it the past few months.
[06:39] <didrocks> good morning
[06:57] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:12] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:13] <duflu> G'day oSoMoN
[07:13] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:17] <didrocks> hey duflu, oSoMoN
[07:17] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:39] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:39] <seb128> hey didrocks oSoMoN duflu
[07:39] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:43] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:44] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[07:46] <didrocks> rather good, but tiring night with little one coughing
[07:46] <didrocks> you?
[07:46] <seb128> oh :(
[07:46] <seb128> the kids being sick is never ending :/
[07:47] <didrocks> never *ever*
[07:48] <seb128> I'm fine but that cold is rather annoying, nose is really blocked and I don't sleep well and need to use tissues every few minutes
[07:48] <seb128> it's a bit better today so hopefully I get over it before the w.e
[07:50] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:52] <didrocks> seb128: crossing fingers!
[07:57] <duflu> seb128, life was good until I started trying to debug Totem again. Then not so good
[07:58] <seb128> :/
[07:59] <duflu> koza, seb128, jibel, the meeting time is wrong again. Should be 1 hour from now but Google thinks it is now. Anything to discuss?
[07:59] <seb128> duflu, calendar says jibel is off today
[07:59] <seb128> willcooke is in London
[07:59] <seb128> I don't have anything to discuss
[08:00] <seb128> should we skip?
[08:00] <duflu> seb128, koza, yes skipping. I'm off outside for a couple of minutes in that case
[08:01] <duflu> And then there was willcooke. Good morning
[08:01] <seb128> duflu, ttyl!
[08:01] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:01] <willcooke> moin
[08:01] <seb128> duflu, we probably want to discuss 5.49 (or 50) for SRU/.1 but that be after 18.04 is out
[08:01] <willcooke> seb128, did you already ask duflu about that bug we talked about in the meeting?
[08:01] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <seb128> willcooke, not yet, we were talking bluetooth
[08:02] <willcooke> ack
[08:02] <seb128> hey Laney, what's up?
[08:02] <willcooke> what ho Laney
[08:02] <Laney> hey seb128 willcooke
[08:02] <didrocks> hey hey willcooke, Laney
[08:02] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[08:02] <Laney> hey didrocks!
[08:02] <Laney> did my first ever "jog" yesterday evening
[08:02] <Laney> now my legs hurt
[08:03] <didrocks> did you stretch afterward?
[08:03] <Laney> a bit
[08:03] <Laney> it ended at the pub so I stretched my arm at least ;-)
[08:03] <didrocks> ahah, and mouth as well I guess :)
[08:03] <Laney> could do more I guess
[08:04] <didrocks> especially after jogging :p
[08:04] <Laney> going to do the park run on saturday, wanted to check if I was going to die ...
[08:04] <willcooke> duflu, seb128 do you guys want to join the HO or nothing to talk about?
[08:05] <didrocks> Laney: how long will it be?
[08:05] <seb128> beer is good for re-hydrating
[08:05] <seb128> willcooke, oh, we just agreed to skip before you joined, we though you were on your way to London and we didn't have anything to discuss
[08:06] <seb128> willcooke, also <seb128> duflu, we probably want to discuss 5.49 (or 50) for SRU/.1 but that be after 18.04 is out
[08:06] <Laney> didrocks: it's 5k
[08:06] <didrocks> is there an equivalent in gtk2 of gtk3-demo-application? I thought there was, can't find the name back (I know there is gtk-demo, but the example is better to check busy cursor and such)
[08:06] <seb128> willcooke, also dufl_u pointed out that the meeting should be an hour later but the calendar shows it for now, DST still not fully sorted out :/
[08:06] <seb128> (I don't know if that's right and both slots wfm)
[08:07] <didrocks> Laney: I would say you will suffer for the last 1.5-2km ;) but it's still doable for a noob :p
[08:07] <Laney> heheh
[08:08] <Laney> tkamppeter: hi, are you going to fix pstotext for that bug?
[08:08] <duflu> And morning Laney
[08:10] <duflu> seb128, I think maybe you missed the last BT meeting. We decided there to look at 5.49+ after 18.04. And I mentioned it in a bug or two too
[08:10] <willcooke> just had a quick chat with koza
[08:10] <willcooke> and will be heading to London in a mo
[08:11] <duflu> koza, are you really online?
[08:14] <dupondje> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/81 seems we have working patches :D
[08:14] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug 81 in mutter "hybrid GPU: one screen stays black in mutter 3.28" (comments: 19) [Opened]
[08:14] <ubot5`> Error: Gnome bug 81 could not be found
[08:17] <seb128> willcooke, ok oh, koza didn't reply on the channel so we though he was not around ... next time
[08:17] <seb128> dupondje, did they made it to .1?
[08:17] <willcooke> nw, we just had a chat about life, the universe and everything
[08:17] <seb128> :)
[08:18] <willcooke> running the skype snap on 18.04 segfaults mutter
[08:18] <seb128> that's nice
[08:22] <seb128> willcooke, did you apport/whoopsie report it?
[08:22] <didrocks> there is not anymore gtk2 widget factory app, correct?
[08:22] <duflu> Problems with Skype sound familiar
[08:23] <willcooke> seb128, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762954
[08:23] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762954 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Running the skype snap under the Wayland session crashes the whole session" [Undecided,New]
[08:23] <seb128> didrocks, not that I know
[08:23] <seb128> willcooke, you don't get a report in /var/crash?
[08:23] <didrocks> damn, I will need to create a simple app with busy cursor it seems… thanks seb128
[08:23] <seb128> didrocks, :/
[08:24] <dupondje> seb128: will see :) Dunno when they will tag .1?
[08:24] <duflu> seb128, no news is good news. There's still time: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/blob/master/NEWS
[08:24] <seb128> dupondje, they were supposed to do that on monday but some components are late
[08:24] <duflu> Also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/blob/gnome-3-28/NEWS
[08:24] <willcooke> seb128, hm, I think I do, but it didnt upload it.  Should I just attach it to the bug?
[08:24] <dupondje> I just confirmed the patch works, so lets hope :)
[08:24] <seb128> willcooke, please don't, just use ubuntu-bug on it
[08:25] <seb128> ubuntu-bug .crash
[08:25] <seb128> dupondje, great
[08:42] <willcooke> seb128, done that as a new bug, LP: #1762960
[08:42] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1762960 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Running classic snaps crashes wayland session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762960
[08:42] <willcooke> I'll tidy up the old one, and sort out the dupes later, need to get on the train now
[08:43] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[08:43] <willcooke> will try and get a table on the train
[08:43] <willcooke> see you in a bit
[08:45] <seb128> duflu, good to have a reliable way to trigger one of those xwayland segfaults! ^
[08:47] <duflu> seb128, I checked yesterday and there are relatively few Xwayland crashes compared to gnome-shell crashes. The numbers don't align
[08:47] <duflu> I updated the main bug about it
[08:48] <seb128> k
[08:48] <duflu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1505409
[08:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1505409 in GNOME Shell "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in x_io_error() from _XIOError() from _XEventsQueued() from XPending() from gdk_check_xpending() ["Connection to xwayland lost"]" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:02] <didrocks> oSoMoN: do you mind testing out https://github.com/ubuntu/communitheme-snap-helpers/pull/3? It should fix GTK2 support. You have instructions to test the snap directly (you need to restart your session though to have the change taking into effect)
[09:02] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 3 in communitheme-snap-helpers "Ensure GTK2 application are themed" (comments: 1) [Open]
[09:08] <oSoMoN> didrocks, sure, testing now
[09:10] <oSoMoN> didrocks, that fixes the theming of gtk2 apps, very nice!
[09:11] <oSoMoN> I'll comment on the PR
[09:12] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:13] <didrocks> so, only 2 issues remain :)
[09:13] <didrocks> for those interested: https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/325#issuecomment-380383969
[09:13] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug 325 in gtk-communitheme "Evince has a totally invisible gui with the snap theme" (comments: 7) [Bug, Confirmed, Open] - Assigned to didrocks (Didier Roche)
[09:13] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 325 in seahorse (Ubuntu) "no icon" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325
[09:13] <didrocks> I'll fix evince directly (opening a bug, and such), for the snaps, I'll need to talk to jdstrand
[09:16] <didrocks> well, it's going to be in abstractions/gnome for the proper fix, so, I'll need to talk there to jdstrand as well for evince :)
[09:20] <willcooke> Weee.  I'm on the new train direct to Blackfrirars!
[09:21] <willcooke> duflu, I have an xwayland crash file, do I just attach it?
[09:21] <duflu> willcooke, no, please run ubuntu-bug
[09:21] <willcooke> (on mobile data, might lag/drop out)
[09:21] <willcooke> kk
[09:21] <duflu> We can't retrace them by hand
[09:23] <duflu> What's new about the new train?
[09:24] <willcooke> LP:#1754693 looks like the same bug but I'll log this one anyway, just in case
[09:25] <willcooke> It's a brand new route which goes pretty much door-to-door for me.  They reused some old tunnels under kings cross to link two lines and the new service started last week.  Brand new trains too
[09:27] <willcooke> duflu, lp: #1762971
[09:27] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1762971 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Running classic snaps crashes wayland session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762971
[09:28] <duflu> willcooke, That's interesting. It's crashed in swrast. Did you notice slow rendering or high CPU?
[09:28] <duflu> Or is it a VM?
[09:28] <willcooke> It's a real machine
[09:28] <willcooke> I'll crash it again and see if I hear fans spin up
[09:29] <duflu> I've been ignoring all xorg* crashes because my inbox and mornings are overloaded already. I wonder if this is a common one
[09:31] <willcooke> Nothing too unusual.  skype used some cpu, then it froze, then apport used some cpu and then it locked up
[09:31] <willcooke> then it restarted
[09:31] <duflu> willcooke, it's the Xwayland process supposedly using software rendering
[09:32] <willcooke> now I cant get to my ttys
[09:35] <duflu> willcooke, need to wait for the retrace
[09:38] <duflu> willcooke, yeah I think bug 1754693 is indeed the same. So good news: It's not using swrast -- that's just wrong when you're lacking debug symbols
[09:38] <ubot5`> Error: Launchpad bug 1754693 could not be found
[09:40] <duflu> Maybe https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/01a80d2110a46f6b6d857ce814079646e695f4ca
[09:41] <seb128> duflu, it's easy to retrace locally or to download the coredump and use gdb on it on another bionic/amd64 system
[09:41] <duflu> Yeah, if the symbols match
[09:41] <seb128> if the machines are bionic update they use the same binaries, it usually works
[09:42] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ is that bug known by you?
[09:47] <duflu> I can't find any other instances other than those mentioned above
[09:48] <seb128> well it's bionic, not our default session, and some specific snaps
[09:48] <seb128> so not a surprised not that of a common combo
[09:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I guess you know that tb is older in bionic that in other pockets?
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg> hurray for glib2!
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg> but...       + cherry-pick per-desktop overrides from GNOME #786496
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg>         Allison confirmed the patches will be committed to glib soon
[09:53] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 786496 in general "Replace custom override schema with per-desktop override" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786496
[09:53] <ubot5-ng> bugzilla.gnome.org bug 786496 in general "Replace custom override schema with per-desktop override" [Normal, New] - Assigned to gnome-shell-maint
[09:53] <ubot5`> bug 786496 in Redshift "Redshift don't work with Dual Screen on Linux" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786496
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg> are we sure this is still the case?
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't see much activity on upstream tracker
[09:53] <seb128> I doubt it's still the case, he just copied the old changelog entry
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> what about a prod in upstream tracker?
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> or merging in Debian the patch, so we go back in sync...
[09:56]  * willcooke prepares to enter the new tunnels.  They're probably haunted.
[10:01] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: There is no way those patches are going into Debian, they need to come via upstream
[10:02] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, the bug tracker is open, you can try nagging
[10:02] <seb128> Allison is not likely going to land those, she stopped working on glib afaik
[10:02] <Mirv> jbicha: yes to shotwell 0.28.2, landing via a ticket
[10:02] <seb128> but other maintainers might be wanting to review/land it
[10:04] <Laney> our team should still have an interest in seeing those patches merged imo
[10:05] <seb128> I think it does have one
[10:05] <seb128> but we have little leverage over upstream there
[10:05] <seb128> you are probably the person in the team who did the most glib upstream contributions, I don't think we have annoying on the path to be comaintainer
[10:06] <seb128> annoying->anyone
[10:10] <Laney> it was my impression that di_drocks was in charge of making sure they went upstream in the end
[10:10] <seb128> well, there is only so much he/we can do :/ j_bicha tried to nag earlier in the cycle and got ignored
[10:11] <seb128> if you have idea/suggestions on what else we can try I'm happy to get some
[10:11] <Laney> ask Phillip
[10:11] <seb128> I guess we can try pinging again, doesn't hurt (unless people get annoyed to be nagged too much)
[10:16] <Laney> I'll have a word with him
[10:17] <seb128> thx!
[10:23] <duflu> Heh. Now I'm bisecting software and hardware to find a bug
[10:23] <duflu> that's new
[10:25] <seb128> how does that work?
[10:26] <mgedmin> first you draw a line in chalk around the middle of your laptop, then you get a big axe ...
[10:27] <duflu> seb128, I think it will involve moving my HDD from the new desktop back into the old one
[10:27] <seb128> ah
[10:27] <seb128> mgedmin, :)
[10:31] <duflu> To dinner and beyond
[10:36] <seb128> willcooke, retraced confirmed your xwayland issue is bug #1754693
[10:36] <ubot5`> bug 1754693 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xwayland crashed with SIGABRT in st_renderbuffer_delete()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754693
[10:47] <jbicha> I think one problem was that I asked about the glib patches too late in the GNOME release cycle. Since their cycle just started now, it's a better time
[10:47] <jbicha> good morning
[10:47] <seb128> hey jbicha
[10:48] <seb128> well they could have reviewed or replied "looks good but better for next cycle"
[10:48] <seb128> rather than just ignoring it
[10:51] <Mirv> jbicha: shotwell 0.28.2 in unapproved queue now
[10:51] <jbicha> thanks :)
[10:55] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[11:34] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, aren't those options in e.g. dh_strip predefined somehow in the Debian packaging system? We'd need a custom option. (Struggled with it the other day without success.)
[11:36] <GunnarHj> Laney: If you know what it would look like in init(), I'd need some handholding for that part.
[11:39] <Laney> GunnarHj: laney@nightingale> ~/temp/pkgbinarymangler-136/dh_translations --domain=foo
[11:39] <Laney> domain is foo
[11:39] <Laney> https://paste.debian.net/1019708/
[11:41] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks! I'll give that a try. (Tonight or tomorrow.)
[12:23] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, hey, can you retry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1/+build/14746085 ? that looks like a flaky test (it failed once in my PPA build, too)
[12:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, is that ok if somebody else retry? :)
[12:30] <seb128> oSoMoN, I assumed it was and did click the button
[12:31] <oSoMoN> seb128, thanks :)
[12:31] <seb128> yw!
[12:59] <jdstrand> didrocks: hey, can you create a forum topic for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1762993. the requested change is simple but it goes against the snapd design. I think it is going to need some justification and discussion (with a possibly different outcome) with the snapd team
[12:59] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1762993 in snapd (Ubuntu) "snaps can't load communitheme theme" [Undecided,New]
[13:13] <willcooke> seb128, do you know if I have to have fingerprint hardware to get some UI to appear in settings for configuring fingerprints?
[13:13] <willcooke> or Trevinho if you're around ^
[13:14] <tjaalton> seb128: oops, missed your ping.. no, it's not
[13:31] <kenvandine> seb128, did you get a chance to test that gedit snap i sent?
[13:40] <didrocks> jdstrand: I'll open one, have you looked at the apparmor one for evince by any chance?
[13:41] <andyrock> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1761841/comments/3
[13:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1761841 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Notification for livepatch are not shown." [Medium,In progress]
[13:41] <andyrock> I was thinking about the same
[13:43] <youpi> hello, on launchpad I have pushed a branch containing a commit that --fixes lp:1234 , is that enough or should I also click "Propose for merging" explicitly?
[13:50] <jdstrand> didrocks: I saw it. I don't have any objections. going to swing back around to it later
[13:51] <didrocks> jdstrand: thanks! FYI, I just had a testrun installing the package in a VM and everything works as expected
[13:51] <jdstrand> cool
[13:53] <kenvandine> didrocks, can you respond to https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/issues/107
[13:53] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug 107 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "GDM screen did not change" (comments: 0) [Open]
[13:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 107 in Baz (deprecated) "Please enhance baz changelog to support additive changelogs" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107
[13:54] <kenvandine> didrocks, i'm assuming that's because he's not on 18.04
[13:54] <didrocks> kenvandine: no, it's expected. It's not because one user is changing his theme that it will change gdm one
[13:55] <didrocks> so, basically, the instructions is the same than going to vanilla one
[13:55] <didrocks> I'll answer there and ask for some help updating the general instructions :)
[13:55] <kenvandine> thx
[13:58] <didrocks> mvo: jdstrand: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-using-themes-in-other-snaps/4946 FYI, tell me what you think
[14:08] <seb128> youpi, you need to propose for merging, referencing to a bug is only going to make the bug mention the branch but not list it as proposed for merging/needing a review
[14:10] <seb128> andyrock, good point but some UIs display need to display the NoDisplay item, e.g the gnome-control-center notifications panel to let you turn off the livepatch notifications if you want
[14:10] <seb128> andyrock, unsure we did the required work for livepatch to be listed there yet, but if we didn't we should (I think it's a key to add to the .desktop)
[14:12] <youpi> seb128: ok, thanks
[14:13] <seb128> kenvandine, I though it was not needed since when I said I didn't manage to test yet you said you did it and it was translated fine, which I though validated the testing
[14:13] <seb128> willcooke, I would expect you do need to hwd yes
[14:14] <willcooke> thx seb128
[14:16] <seb128> willcooke, yw!
[14:16] <didrocks> doko: I think we only need a finale ack on bug #1759540
[14:16] <ubot5`> bug 1759540 in ubuntu-report (Ubuntu) "[MIR] ubuntu-report: send telemetry data to ubuntu server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759540
[14:17] <didrocks> g-i-s is acked on my side (and this is the dep)
[14:17] <kenvandine> seb128, that's ok, i was hoping for a review to go with it :)
[14:18] <kenvandine> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/106
[14:18] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 106 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "LD_PRELOAD bindtextdomain to load translations from multiple paths" (comments: 0) [Open]
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, I had it to my list, probably for tomorrow at this point though
[14:18] <kenvandine> cool, thx!
[14:18] <seb128> yw!
[14:23] <Trevinho> morning
[14:23] <kenvandine> hey Trevinho!
[14:23] <seb128> willcooke, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/blob/master/panels/user-accounts/um-user-panel.c#L858
[14:24] <Trevinho> hey kenvandine
[14:24] <seb128> good morning Trevinho
[14:24] <Trevinho> willcooke: you need to have hardware, but... you can fake it
[14:24] <Trevinho> willcooke: however I think you do have hardware
[14:24] <Trevinho> don't you  have a *60 gen thinkpad?
[14:24] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[14:24] <Trevinho> how are you?
[14:25] <seb128> Trevinho, having a rather annoying cold, I keep using tissues and my nose is blocked :/ but ok otherwise
[14:25] <seb128> Trevinho, you?
[14:25] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, so bad.... you should go a bit more in tropical countries :-D
[14:25] <willcooke> Trevinho, using a new machine I borrowed from OEM
[14:25] <Trevinho> seb128: allright
[14:26] <Trevinho> willcooke: ah, as I think in your x260 (isn't that yours?) you could use the driver I did
[14:26] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah OEM have asked me to show them what the UI looks like, on this $OEM laptop without a fingerprint reader
[14:26] <willcooke> :)
[14:26] <willcooke> no biggy
[14:26] <willcooke> it can wait
[14:27] <willcooke> I'm sat with the guys here, so thought I would show them
[14:27] <willcooke> andyrock, https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NvbrIW3B/image.png
[14:27] <Trevinho> willcooke: mh, I can create a fake driver for fprintd that work by, for example, using a combination
[14:27] <Trevinho> I did like that but it was hacky and I've trashed it
[14:27] <willcooke> andyrock, via jamiebennett.  Seems to have translated itself in to German?!
[14:28] <willcooke> Trevinho, meh, dont worry about it
[14:54] <andyrock> willcooke: I guess it's a problem in translations
[14:54] <andyrock> mmm
[14:54] <andyrock> not sure what's happening tbh
[14:59] <willcooke> it's german on my machine as well :)
[15:00] <Laney> the en_GB translations have german in them
[15:00] <Laney> msgunfmt /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/software-properties.mo
[15:02] <dupondje> FYI: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/75 this fixes black screens/wayland crashes with dual screen setups :) So it will be in 3.28.1 :)
[15:02] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 75 in mutter "native: Disable the use of KMS modifiers by default" (comments: 0) [Merged]
[15:05] <Laney> they look fixed though https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/software-properties/+pots/software-properties/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Sign+In so probably the next langpack update will sort it out
[15:31] <andyrock> Laney: thx!
[15:49] <willcooke> didrocks, I've installed tweak tool for reasons, and I notice that the ubuntu-dock and ubuntu-indicators extensions are marked as off.  Is that known/a real problem?
[15:50] <didrocks> willcooke: it's known (and it's the case since the beginning)
[15:50] <didrocks> basically every extension that is part of a mode is off
[15:50] <didrocks> my long long proposal and patches for GNOME Shell fixes it
[15:50] <didrocks> but no review since october and weekly pings…
[15:50] <didrocks> (and multiple resubmit on gitlab and such)
[15:51] <didrocks> willcooke: that's https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/1
[15:51] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 1 in gnome-shell "Better mode extension support: status sync and disabling." (comments: 0) [Opened]
[15:51] <didrocks> and I had patches for Tweaks, chrome shell to use the new API
[15:51] <didrocks> (the chrome extension)
[15:51] <didrocks> they are all waiting on G-S though ^
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:53] <didrocks> yw, sad this isn't properly reviewed :(
[15:53] <willcooke> if you've got join messages on, that guys gonna have a fun time in this channel :) ^
[15:53] <willcooke> looks like they saw wisdom
[16:41] <tkamppeter> Laney, hi
[16:42] <Laney> hi tkamppeter
[16:42] <tkamppeter> It seems that Poppler hangs on a test chain which ends up in old and unmmaintained pstotext which is needed by dhelp to display the RFCs.
[16:44] <tkamppeter> Laney, I have tried to follow the hint of the Ghostscript warning, patching pstotext to use "-dREALLYDELAYBIND", but Ghostscript fails with it.
[16:45] <tkamppeter> Seems that the Ghostscript guys have already pulled out this feature and forgot to remove this workaround.
[16:45] <Laney> I guess that it doesn't require much maintenance since it worked up until recently
[16:45] <Laney> Proabably pstotext needs fixing to not use this removed feature
[16:46] <tkamppeter> The removal looks complicated as there are PostScript files which contain DELAYBIND.
[16:48] <tkamppeter> Laney, OCR written in PostScript and this uses DELAYBIND.
[16:49] <Laney> I mean if it's needed then this is a ghostscript bug after all isn't it
[16:49] <Laney> Back in a bit
[16:50] <tkamppeter> Laney, probably then I better look into patching DELAYBIND support back into Ghostscript and reporting a bug on dhelp upstream to prepare for removal of DELAYBIND.
[17:52] <willcooke> night all
[18:50] <Laney> tkamppeter: I was a little bit confused since just echo | pstotext fails
[18:51] <Laney> that's a blank ps file which probably doesn't have this DELAYBIND thing in it
[19:00] <tkamppeter> Laney, pstotext is partially written in PostScript, it runs ghostscript with PS files which come with pstotext, these contain DELAYBIND.
[19:01] <tkamppeter> I already contacted Ghostscript upstream on that. the DELAYBIND deprecation was actually taken back in 9.23 and the gs guy told me with which patch it was done.
[19:02] <tkamppeter> Laney, I backported that patch and as the return of DELAYBIND is incompatible with -dSAFER I patched the -dSAFER out of pstotext.
[19:02] <tkamppeter> But now I get another error (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j7TMTfM7wd/), showed it to the gs guy and he said:
[19:03] <tkamppeter> I really feel that holding onto backwards compatibiility with a utility last updated 14 years ago isn't always going to be in our best interests......
[19:04] <tkamppeter> As I do not know programming in PostScript I do not know how to fix pstotext.
[19:05] <tkamppeter> Laney, I wonder why the upload of Poppler triggers the test of a documentation-only package. Does Poppler depend on this package which provides all RFCs? Does Poppler need this?
[19:06] <tkamppeter> Laney I also wonder why the failure only occurs now, I have updated gs to 9.22 two months ago.
[19:09] <Laney> tkamppeter: doc-rfc depends on poppler, thus triggers its tests which use pstotext
[19:09] <Laney> apparently it doesn't depend on ghostscript directly otherwise it would have been triggered then
[19:10] <Laney> and sorry that we have to maintain ancient stuff; that's the way of distros sometimes
[19:10] <Laney> There is a proper way to get it removed - analyse everything that uses it and make it stop doing that one way or another
[19:17] <tkamppeter> Laney, pstotext is probably missing an autopkgtest, otherwise Ghostscript had triggered it in the first place.
[19:18] <tkamppeter> Laney, I have no real idea how to fix that without causing a big impact on the LTS.
[19:19] <tkamppeter> Laney, stepping back to gs 9.21, reintroducing its bugs and removing 9.22s new features is bad in that stage of an LTS, also creates an ugly epoch.
[19:21] <tkamppeter> Laney, Writing a wrapper script named pstotext around (well-maintained) filters of the cups-filters package resembling the command line of the original pstotext could cause problems as the output will for sure not be the same.
[19:44] <tkamppeter> Laney, pstotext is only used by dhelp, by nothing else.
[20:05] <ximion> jbicha: since I can't upload to Ubuntu, would you upload the appstream package, now that the FFE is approved?
[20:07] <jbicha> ximion: could you go to https://launchpad.net/~ximion/+archive/ubuntu/appstream/+edit enable all architectures and then do a test rebuild as requested?
[20:07] <ximion> I did, but it doesn't automatically rebuild stuff in the PPA
[20:07] <jbicha> right, you need to do a new upload
[20:07] <ximion> I'll do a no-change upload later to trigger new builds
[20:07] <jbicha> thanks
[20:07] <jbicha> I'm just trying to keep the Release Team happy :)
[20:09] <jbicha> does asgen need to be the same version?
[20:10] <tkamppeter> Laney, my suggestion is to patch dhelp to use Ghostscript's ps2txt and to modify the autopkgtest of doc-rfc to use ps2txt instead of pstotext then, too. The the need of pstotext in the whole distro is eliminated and pstotext can get removed.
[20:13] <tkamppeter> Laney, doc-rfc and dhelp need to depend on Ghostscript and not on pstotext any more.