[04:27] <EriC^^> morning all
[04:28] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: WB :)
[04:28] <EriC^^> thanks Bashing-om :)
[04:28] <EriC^^> how are you?
[04:29] <Bashing-om> Oh, considering all .. better than most :) .. your world still in place ?
[04:35] <EriC^^> yeah it's ok :)
[04:35] <EriC^^> how was the ubuntu session?
[04:36] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Good deal on good health and all .. as to the session .. ben real slow .
[04:46] <EriC^^> in a few weeks it's going to pick up a lot
[04:46] <EriC^^> after the 18.04 release, hopefully the channel will get back to its usual activity
[04:47] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Well, depends a lot on the flac from wayland . So far 18.04 seems pretty solid - 2 versions installed here .
[04:49] <EriC^^> i thought 18.04 is going to be xorg by default?
[04:51] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yes, but many will opt for wayland - I find wayland smoother and faster than Xorg .
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:54] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I discovered today that visudo will not keep one from making a noob error . typo'd in /etc/sudoers .. had to re-install the file !
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om EriC^^
[04:57] <EriC^^> aha
[04:57] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[04:58] <EriC^^> havent used 18.04 much here, looking forward to experimenting
[04:58] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) Our world is safe... lotus looks over /
[04:59] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I went ahead and did the xubuntu-core install also - it is now my work horse :)
[05:00] <xangua> Do most things work on Wayland?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> no xangua
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> alot of bugs on wayland
[05:00] <xangua> :-(
[05:00] <EriC^^> bugland
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> many gui apps freeze/dont launch
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> and overal systems laggy
[05:01] <Bashing-om> xangua: A lot of things do not .. But all I use does ..:)
[05:02] <xangua> I hope it makes gnome less laggy
[05:02] <xangua> In the near future
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> even on xorg it feels laggy
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> i reported those bugs in real early stage
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1728390
[05:05] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1728390 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Graphical glitches overall system on the xorg session 17.10 & 18.04" [Undecided,New]
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1740146
[05:05] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1740146 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[AMD C-60] System slow on wayland, lagging mouse (but fast in Xorg)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> and slow boot:
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1742063
[05:07] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1742063 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Systemd taking long time to boot into desktop 18.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:09] <Bashing-om> Old AMD system here and both Xorg and wayland do 'allright' with ubuntu - but xubuntu (Xorg) is much faster .
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> alot of new features i very like on bionic
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> nautilus green & red buttons, fast system shutdown,new systemoptions layout
[05:14] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Just about got 18.04 xfce to my liking .. I like it :)
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: cool!
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: you testing on laptop/touchpad too?
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> we have users complaining about that new mouse click thing
[05:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Old hardware ,, desktop box ,, converted my file server . So no, not able to test this new fangled stiff :)
[05:33] <Bashing-om> stuff*
[06:11] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:13] <Bashing-om> ducasse: :) WB
[06:14] <ducasse> hi Bashing-om - how's things in your world? :)
[06:17] <Bashing-om> All good here . Maintaining the equalibrium . 2 hours at the time :)
[06:23] <ducasse> good that you're still going strong :) how has your session been?
[06:26] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Had been slow ,, picked up recentlu .. not the norm to pick up at this time of sun travel .
[06:30] <ducasse> Bashing-om: no, it's usually quiet for another two or three hours
[06:32] <ducasse> i guess you're almost ready to call it a night?
[06:33] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yup on both accounts . I soon be outta here .
[06:34] <ducasse> Bashing-om: the snow is rapidly melting here, water has been pouring off the roof for the last few days. buds on the rhododendron already.
[06:35] <ducasse> going to test upgrading to bionic on the laptop today, i think.
[06:44] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Spring here been 2 hours a day cutting grass . Got 2 installs of bionic .. both solid . xubuntu-core 18.04 has become my main squeeze .
[06:47] <ducasse> i'm looking forward to testing the server image, see just how catastrophic the new installer is. i hope images with the old one will still be available,
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:48] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - how are you today?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx and you?
[06:49] <ducasse> all good here, plan to have a quiet day, maybe test upgrade to bionic
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> we gonna chill today, tonight to cinema
[06:50] <ducasse> taxi 5?
[06:52] <jink> https://nos.nl/video/2226781-wilt-u-met-ons-delen-in-welk-hotel-u-afgelopen-nacht-heeft-geslapen.html
[07:00] <ducasse> guiverc: when somebody admits they want to do something illegal, the policy is not to support them.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah ducasse
[07:01] <ducasse> guiverc: apart from that, good morning :)
[07:01] <guiverc> sorry I didn't see it as illegal; yeah the police was a huge cue I ignored !
[07:02] <guiverc> my bad - sorry folks.
[07:02] <guiverc> Thanks, Morning to you too ducasse lotuspsychje
[07:04] <ducasse> np
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> hey guiverc
[07:05] <Bashing-om> good nite .. tomale :D
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[08:44] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[08:44] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[08:49] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ - all well thanks. and you?
[08:49] <EriC^^> same here
[10:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:25] <JimBuntu> Great morning to you BluesKaj . May you never have want for that which you do not have, and always want that which you do have.
[10:26] <TJ-> So, BluesKaj should always want bugs? :s
[10:26] <BluesKaj> Good Morning  JimBuntu thanks for that :-)
[10:27] <JimBuntu> ouch. If the week was a rollercoaster, we are at the top of the crest, hang on and prepare for a ride!
[10:27] <TJ-> I'm exhausted - just took me nerly an hour to figure out how to install/use Powerline fonts on raw TTYs
[10:27] <TJ-> yes, I'm planning on taking 2 month vacation from 26th :P
[10:28] <JimBuntu> 2 months of vacation, sounds exhausting in itself. They keep threatening to do that to me at work.
[10:28] <TJ-> Don't knock it!
[10:29] <JimBuntu> I doubt I would come back, I would probably end up as some new myth about some guy who went into the woods and decided not to leave.
[10:30] <TJ-> I spent yesterday figuring out how to replace pfSense on a PCEngines APU2 with Ubuntu (wanted to preserve the pfSense/BSD installation) - but it was preinstalled on the 60G mSATA and I can't find ways from a Linux boot, or from within the running BSD, to shrink the UFFS
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hi TJ- , just about to swotch ISPs from dsl 7mb to what was described to me as a wireless modem, similar to cellular connection..this must be new technology or am I behind the the times?
[10:31] <TJ-> JimBuntu: That's almost like my life, although mines more 'farm' than 'woods'
[10:32] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I have a cellular modem as backup network, they are nice... nicer when they allow for external antennas and when you have a bunch of low-loss coax leading to a 5/8ths wave antenns on the roof or BEST when leading to a many element yagi pointed right at the strongest tower
[10:32] <TJ-> BluesKaj: WISPs (Wireless ISPs) usually do point-to-point WiFi links in unlicensed frequencies like 2.4Ghz or 5.xGHz. I built one back in 2002 when UK's ADSL service wasn't being installed for rural areas
[10:32] <JimBuntu> TJ-, I'm 1 generation removed from the farm, I suppose it may still be 'in my blood' and why I am so easily beckoned by the trees.
[10:33] <TJ-> BluesKaj: if they're installing an outdoor directional panel antenna it's most likely WiFi based
[10:33] <TJ-> JimBuntu: yes, I know the feeling. I'm born-n-bred tried to get away but always it pulls me back
[10:33] <JimBuntu> Ah, if it's point-to-point WiFi or similar, that's pretty common in rural areas. Sprint Broadband Direct was amazing before they sold out. 60mbps back in the late 90s.
[10:34] <LtWorf> JimBuntu: if i want what i have, i can never throw away garbage
[10:34] <LtWorf> it gets quite inconvenient
[10:34] <TJ-> JimBuntu: that sounds like a dedicated modulation to get 60Mbps (carrier) back then. We were only approaching 54Mbps in 2002
[10:35] <TJ-> LtWorf: Recycle :)
[10:35] <TJ-> JimBuntu: possibly it was a dedicated microwave link; we had those for backhaul mainly
[10:36] <BluesKaj> TJ-, it's a self installation, They 're sending me the modem and I'm installing it myself,. Apparntly it's very simple to get up and running. I live in a small town, so I'm assuming one cell-like system tower can serve the whole community.
[10:36] <LtWorf> TJ-: same thing
[10:36] <JimBuntu> TJ-, yup. They bought out a start-up and we were specially invited to alpha test for them. I thanked the stars on a nightly basis for having access... I ended up running 300ft of CAT from my workplace to my apartment so I could use it at home... but sshhh, don't tell the telco that I used their convenient telephone poles to run the cable.
[10:37] <TJ-> BluesKaj: that does sound like a cellular based system... although if the 'modem' is an indoors device I'd be concerned about it's performance/reliability if it is using 3G/4G modulation
[10:37] <TJ-> JimBuntu: lol yeah, that's always convenient
[10:39] <TJ-> BluesKaj: it all depends on the cellular operator and which frequency bands they use. If they're lower (700MHz - 1GHz ) it'll have much more penetration than 2.3-3.5GHz (which is easily absorbed/blocked by obstacles like walls)
[10:39] <JimBuntu> 700MHz LTE FTW
[10:39] <BluesKaj> TJ-, apprently it's quite a powerful transmit and receive signal sysem that approaches 100mb, but i haven'tasked about the freqs
[10:40] <JimBuntu> Ha! My cellular modem doesn't have a model number on it. I was going to call it by name and now I can't.
[10:40] <TJ-> BluesKaj: if it's a dedicated frequency and point-2-point rather than broadcast then the signal strength can be focused on your location (using stearable beam-formers)
[10:41] <TJ-> 4G/5G is now using beam-steering in the sector antennas to improve performance
[10:42] <BluesKaj> yes the lower the signal freq, the better the coverage , but also reqires more power..well I'll find out by monday what's the specs are etc
[10:42] <JimBuntu> Now that beam-steering is more common and proactive, the only reason not to have it is that you can't write-off your old equipment yet or don't have the human-power for all the installations
[10:44] <JimBuntu> I used to enjoy doing foxhunts (radio kind, not the animal), had special gear, built special gear... now most WiFi equipment has this built in, the behind-the-scenes technology that makes comms so reliable is getting ridiculous imho
[10:45] <BluesKaj> interesting that as soon as I gave the tech my address/location she suggested this modem
[10:45] <TJ-> We're also now at the point where it wouldn't take much infrastructure disruption to massively affect society. Not like when HAMs were the primary civil users
[10:46] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I expect they have a system that easily knows which signals get to what houses/properties best... then again, they may suggest the same things to everyone.
[10:46] <TJ-> BluesKaj: We had detailed maps generated by RF simulation software that showed the expected signal strength
[10:46] <JimBuntu> TJ-, I'm a HAM, we are still a strong force, simply not much media recognition any more... that's OK. We will always be here to help when called upon. MARS is still strong as well.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> it's a town of only 5500 population, so i'm assuming one omni directional system can work for the whole town
[10:48] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, that's the sweet, sweet thing about active beam-steering... a set of antennas can re-direct the beam to active users automatically.
[10:48] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, sounds very cool
[10:48] <TJ-> JimBuntu: Yeah, but what I mean is now, even a realtively minor power outage can take out major communications backbones and cause huge knock-on. I used to volunteer for REACT (UK civil emergency support by HAMs) and that's fine but everyone is so reliant on massively fast data connections their in-the-field devices become useless without out, and HAM networks can't take up the slack, or easily
[10:48] <TJ-> interface with those mobile systems
[10:49] <TJ-> BluesKaj: beam steering is done by altering the phase of the transmitted signal in the panel antenna (which is actually a matrix of hundreds of small antennas)
[10:50] <JimBuntu> I agree TJ- it's an odd time, we are so used to instant gratification a la Google/etc. In the U.S.A. it took 3 days for portable cell towers to be put in place for the police/emergency services to use instead of their then-defunct radios (due to tower and power losses)... for those 3 days, it was all HAM comms.
[10:50] <BluesKaj> yeah, makes sense tg
[10:50] <BluesKaj> TJ-, ;-)
[10:51] <JimBuntu> my above tale is about the effects of Katrina in the southern U.S.A., I forgot to mention that part.
[10:52] <TJ-> JimBuntu: never mind, there are StingRays all over now so just need backhaul from them :D
[10:52] <JimBuntu> lol. StingRays in places they shouldn't be ;-)
[10:52] <JimBuntu> I used to have a Marconi, fun to play with, dangerous to play with
[10:56] <TJ-> Funny story. I had a sigma-IV antenna atop a 10 meter mast many years ago, connected to a 100W burner, with a fluorescent tube strapped to the top. One very stormy night whilst I was QSLing noticed a line of vehicles stopped on the lane nearby, then a police car. Went out to find out what had happened...
[10:56] <TJ-> ... they asked if I'd seen the sausage shaped UFO flying about above the house
[10:56] <TJ-> I kept very quiet and professed innocence
[10:57] <daftykins> xD
[10:57] <TJ-> BluesKaj: the tube glows due to ionisation when a lot of power is pumped into the antenna so it was wavying about in the sky glowing
[10:58] <BluesKaj> heh, back in the day 90% of HAM operators were also masons, at least where I lived. My wife's father was in the Canadian army signal corps, a HAM operator and a mason :-)
[10:58] <BluesKaj> just an interesting note on the subject
[10:59] <JimBuntu> That's awesome TJ- . It's good to know how much stray RF/EM is around you. It's bad when you cause the neighbors TVs to black out.
[11:00]  * BluesKaj feels like he's surrounde by electronics genius/hobbyists
[11:01] <JimBuntu> TJ-, ever checked out QQSP?
[11:02] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, no genius here... I didn't even have a license above novice until I was 15.
[11:02] <BluesKaj> only 15 ...oh my :-)
[11:04] <JimBuntu> For fathers day, a number of years back, my wife took her exam and got her license too. Kind of an odd fathers day gift, but very welcomed.
[11:04] <daftykins> :D
[11:06] <TJ-> JimBuntu: no, what is it, some relay service?
[11:07] <JimBuntu> TJ-, oh, I suspect you will like this... it's ultra low power... below the noise floor... only discernible when you stack multiple read-outs on top of each other... then you can see the pattern stand out from the noise.
[11:08] <JimBuntu> it's also super-slow though... since you need to send out a sustained and well timed pattern... many times.
[11:08] <TJ-> JimBuntu: oh yeah, isn't that the classified system used by submarines too?
[11:08] <JimBuntu> Uhm, shh
[11:09]  * TJ- shushes :)
[11:09] <BluesKaj> VLF
[11:10] <TJ-> I think I read some papers on it a long time ago; they focus it using phase differential so eavesdroppers can't discern it unless they're in the correct place at the correct time
[11:10] <JimBuntu> I simply enjoy knowing that my signals have not only been loud and clear to MIR, ISS and such... but also not even noticed
[11:11] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, like very low frequency, but instead... it's very low power. Can be used on any frequency (for the most part, but you don't want high-power signals stomping on you)... you basically have to know what you are looking for, and the time-frame used to send chars... otherwise you will only see noise
[11:12] <JimBuntu> A good way to think of it, is like watching a scrambled broadcast TV signal or if you ever messed with the sync rate on a TV...  even if you know there is a signal, it's all outta-sync until you get the refresh rate right.
[11:14]  * BluesKaj nods
[11:21] <TJ-> I think it might be asier than trying to set TTY fonts!
[11:27] <BluesKaj> been playing around with kodi since I cancelled my sat dish tv service and watching IPTV chans, some of the servers and some don't and also very hit and miss with all of them ...this BS about free tv on android boxes is nothing but a scam I think in most cases , unless they have a better modded kodi version than the open source one
[11:27] <JimBuntu> Probably. It's pretty quick and easy using most any uC ( or dare I say 555 and ancillaries), a crystal (or two), wire and relay.
[11:29] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I think it's mainly that the pushers set the expectations too high. Free TV... basically YouTube... the Free TV you want can be much more difficult... as in if you want local news, major news/etc.
[11:30] <JimBuntu> Oh, and international stuff, at least that which I played with, was very hit or miss in regards to the stream actually being available at the listed URLs
[11:31] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, yeah I still have an old analog antenna in my attic, so get local news albeit crappy reception, but good enough for "the news"
[11:32] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I have an antenna in my attic, but it's home built and not for TV, lol. I think they stopped all of the analog broadcasting around me already, but the living room TV (only TV) has a tuner... I should check that out
[11:33] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, sometimes vpn does work for locale/geo restricted servers like the UK , BBC, Sky and ITV on kodi
[11:33] <JimBuntu> I was mainly going after RTMP streams when I looked into Free TV, it's been a few years
[11:34] <BluesKaj> US networks don't seem to care about restricting in NA
[11:36] <JimBuntu> Right you are. I was having trouble with mainly India streams. No idea why, but I like a fair amount of their TV
[11:39] <BluesKaj> never tried any India networks
[11:50] <leftyfb> I don't understand why we are so reluctant to boot trolls. From what I understand, Freenode makes it easier to kick them (looks like offensive) and keep them out.
[11:56] <JimBuntu> leftyfb, We don't shine our boots to leave them by the door. I'm in for more booting. I have no vote, but I'm in anyway.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> I think some users find trolls entertaining and keep hem around longer than they should, just because it's fun to threaten etc
[12:03] <BluesKaj> user/ops
[12:16] <leftyfb> I've been told multiple times after reporting a troll that they don't yet believe they're a troll
[12:16] <daftykins> it's because the community ops are utterly useless
[12:17] <leftyfb> I wouldn't say that ... I just don't know why they hesitate so much
[12:18] <leftyfb> the longer they wait, the worse the troll usually gets ... and sometimes sparks the other lurking trolls to chime in and things escalate
[12:19] <guiverc> i don't know, but I suspect the trolls see being kicked as a 'badge/honor'; so I suspect silencing them could be more effective  (but I know little; I'm not regular/long-time etc)
[12:21] <daftykins> usually they'd just ban evade prolonging things
[12:21] <BluesKaj> well, from personal experience I know one does not need to act like  troll, merely disagree with a pedantic op who takes persoinal dislike to one's attitude and kicks
[12:25] <daftykins> *nod*
[12:26] <TJ-> The best response to trolls is no response at all; but far too many people feel the need to get into an argument. When I see one I pop into #ubuntu-ops and ask them to deal with troll - without the troll knowing. I don't use the !ops because it advertises and they get a kick out of the reaction
[12:27] <guiverc> yeah BluesKaj, that hurts brand/community rep too (for person kicked & potentially others who hear it later on social media etc)
[12:29]  * guiverc nods @ TJ- 
[12:30] <TJ-> what surprises me is there are ops that don't use Ubuntu, but do provide some help
[12:31] <BluesKaj> guiverc, well fortunately cooler heads prevailed in my case and the op was warned about taking his personal dislikes out on helpers who he had no reason to boot...I wasn't the only one. I think they quietly turfed him out, since I haen't seen his nick listed for a while now
[12:31] <JimBuntu> I completely left a channel due to an op, we had a disagreement and they don't back down, it was over a thought-crime (quite literally) of another user.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> ok thought-crime ?
[12:34] <JimBuntu> The user said they were thinking about opening a business. BAM! silenced, no further discussion, no commerce allowed
[12:34] <BluesKaj> that sounds like the debian chat :-)
[12:34] <JimBuntu> I said that discussing the potential for opening a business should be allowed, it's not a transaction, no money/goods are being traded... op said NOPE
[12:35] <JimBuntu> said channel required a financial payment if you had a business in the same field... so... it was a money driven decision... greedy people.
[12:36] <JimBuntu> You can't collect that money if you stop people from deciding to start a business though.
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> goof afternoon
[13:01] <JimBuntu> and a goof afternoon to you too ;-D
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> tnx JimBuntu
[13:11] <daftykins> :D \o
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[13:11] <daftykins> hey sir, all well?
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah just got back from customer after i finished hp laptop with lubuntu
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: the moment i branch it, nos creen grrr
[13:20] <daftykins> branch?
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> connect
[13:20] <daftykins> doh!
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> was working fine and now sudden screen gone
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> just tested on desktop screen, works there
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows howto detect from ubuntu if its really broke or not
[13:29] <daftykins> does adjusting the angle of the lid change anything?
[13:29] <daftykins> turn off, tilt screen, turn back on, etc
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: no its all black
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> worked like a charm 2 days ago
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> tryed Fn+F4
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> close lid, battery in and out
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> and tested external monitor and lubuntu loads fine
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> tryed booting an xp cdrom too
[13:31] <daftykins> guess i'd go in and reseat connectors
[13:32] <daftykins> oh did you shine a torch onto it in case it's the backlight off?
[13:32] <JimBuntu> bright light to the LCD, see anything? disassemble lid, check backlight voltages... triple check display connection ribbon/wires
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> good idea torch
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> oh i saw very light grey hp logo
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> and lubuntu logo now
[13:34] <JimBuntu> Does this HP offer auto-dim of backlight? If so, the sensor could be bad.
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> lemme lookup hp pavilion backlight issues
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the idea
[13:36] <daftykins> :)
[13:37] <JimBuntu> note: depending on the device, some backlights use high voltage.
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> JimBuntu: meaning
[13:37] <JimBuntu> be careful if you reach the point of manual inspection
[13:37] <daftykins> when i was upgrading that 2009 iMac with an SSD and more RAM, reinserting the backlight circuit flex cable had bent the pins backward on themselves, kind of like closing your fingers into your hand
[13:38] <daftykins> macOS would boot from USB, then as soon as it reached the full GUI - the backlight turned off and made it look broken
[13:38] <daftykins> took a while before i tried my phone torch :)
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EGHCAjmlnc
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> cable might have disconnect
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> lemme unscrew
[13:42] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: before opening it up, have you tried setting the brightness via sysfs ?
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you mean Fn + brightness up buttons?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but screen is pre-boot black already
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> this proves its not ubuntu related right?
[13:47] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, sysfs
[13:47] <TJ-> N=$(echo /sys/class/backlight/*) ; echo $(cat $N/max_brightness) | sudo dd of=$N/brightness
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> holdon lemme go boot it with external
[13:49] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje, you don't set up backdoors for SSH on all of your clients machines? shame, lol
[13:50] <BluesKaj> tsk tsk
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:50] <TJ-> also worth checking BL power and other settings: " for n in /sys/class/backlight/*/*; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done "
[13:51] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje, daftykins
[13:51] <TJ-> yes, should be doing this kind of diag over SSH to avoid the other monitor causing issues
[13:52] <daftykins> BluesKaj: \o
[13:52] <daftykins> BluesKaj: wireless internet coming your way then huh? likely to be a good improvement on speeds + caps + price?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: first command output: 0+1 record readed, 0+1 record writed, 8bytes copied, 0,00438268s, 1,8 kb/sec
[13:57] <BluesKaj> daftykins, no cap, price is $80cdn for 100mb speed monthly...expensive but we have a vas country and reltivelly small population , that's the price we have to pay. In my case it's worth it since I cancelled my 100/mos sat tv service.. I'll watch IPTV instead.
[13:57] <TJ-> it's designed to set brightness value to maximum allowed; if that were set to minimum that would make the screen glow
[13:57] <daftykins> BluesKaj: sounds good!
[13:57] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the 2nd command lets you see the blacklight values
[13:58] <BluesKaj> daftykins, yup, looking forward to those speeds :-)
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: second command: -f command not found 9 times
[13:59] <BluesKaj> ok, BBL,...errands
[14:00] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: -f is a test, for the shell. Is it using bash ?
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: hmm syntax fault on 'do'
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> lets c what happens on xbacklight
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> no dice
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ- daftykins JimBuntu guess what, got it to work!
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> battery left out 30min did the trick
[15:12] <daftykins> :D
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> heck knows why cmos reset fixxes screen lol
[15:14] <daftykins> oh so not the main battery, the CMOS one - how random
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:14] <daftykins> must've been embarassing opening it up to see nothing
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you think i should leave out that batter
[15:15] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: corrupted BIOS stored values
[15:15] <daftykins> oh no you could never leave a CMOS battery out permanently
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: well unscrewing, looked all fine indeed :p
[15:15] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: in older systems the non-volatile settings in powered static/CMOS RAM could get corrupted and confuse BIOS into not enabling things
[15:15] <JimBuntu> glad to hear it's fixed!
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> allright ill leave battery in
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> almost dead but
[15:17] <TJ-> that might be the problem; replace it
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah ill tell the customer
[15:17] <TJ-> if it's not rechargable and it's borderline OK it probably caused corruption
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> great, tnx alot for all the ideas, dont forget to pm me your bank numbers :p
[15:25] <EriC^^> evening all
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> now its a shiny lubuntu 18.04 hp again :p
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[15:25] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[15:25] <EriC^^> nice
[15:25] <EriC^^> hp laptop?
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> taxi5 in 2 h :p:p
[15:25] <EriC^^> ah cool have fun :D
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah the guys here helped me
[15:25] <EriC^^> cool
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> seemed like cmos reset battery out got screen back
[15:26] <EriC^^> i love them hp's
[15:26] <EriC^^> i have 2 :D
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> plugged more ram into it 2gig
[15:28] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: cool
[15:28] <EriC^^> ran into any uefi issues?
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> its an older hp EriC^^ classic bios here
[15:29] <EriC^^> ah ok
[15:29] <EriC^^> close call :P
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[15:32] <ubot5`> Not yet!
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> !party
[15:32] <ubot5`> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: 1645 users good base to start bionic support on :p
[15:32] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: it'll reach like 2000 for sure when it's released
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:33] <EriC^^> should be lots of support going on :D
[15:33] <EriC^^> will be fun
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> you gonna help log the word wayland lol
[15:34] <EriC^^> my wayland skills are non-existent :P and systemd is almost negligible
[15:34] <EriC^^> i'll be looking out for the uefi'ers :P
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua & pragmaticenigma
[16:26] <xangua> Morning
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[16:28] <ubot5`> The automatic LTS upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 was scheduled when 16.04.1 LTS was released on July 21st, but due to last bug testings it has been opened on July 28th.
[16:28] <lordievader> Good evening
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> had a good day lordievader ?
[16:30] <lordievader> Yeah, suppose it was okay.
[16:30] <lordievader> You?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> what's correct technical name for modems that connect by wireless to the internet (not wifi and internet cable, but similar to cellphone service)
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> all great here lordievader going to theater in a bit
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ad hoc?
[16:32] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, depends on the technology. It's simply a wireless modem (may not even technically be a modem)
[16:32] <TJ-> BluesKaj: radio modem, put mostly we call anything like that CPE (Customer Premises Equipment)
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> aha
[16:33] <BluesKaj> it's almost impossible to find anything about this type of internet service/modems on google, hence mu=y question about the correct term
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: gonna buy one of those?
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_modem
[16:34] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, well indirectly i signed up for that kind of sevice with an ISP in my town
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> aha
[16:35] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, if you are looking in general, point-to-point modems/etc
[16:35] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: What show?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: taxi 5
[16:35] <lordievader> Sounds cool
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> premiere this evening :p
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> ttyl guys
[16:36] <JimBuntu> have fun!
[16:52] <daftykins> BluesKaj: sounds a lot like a MiFi to me, if it uses cellular data, but it could also be WiMAX tech like my clients old Spain one was before they got fiber
[16:56] <BluesKaj> yeah wimax comes to mind, I recall an experimental system setup east of Toronto for unserviced areas, but the costs to the customers was quite high and service disappeared after a couple of yrs
[16:56] <BluesKaj> daftykins,^
[16:57] <daftykins> ah har
[16:58] <daftykins> oh MiFi was just a potential box name rather than a service name of course
[17:42] <BluesKaj> well, turns out the tech person who I spoke with yesterday was mistaken, not radio modem afterall, it's an ordinary cable router/modem with the latest wifi caplilities and 4 ethernet ports. Its an Arris DG3260 ...all this worry for nothing :-)
[17:45] <daftykins> oh... so you'll be connected via cable - or is it totally useless to you?
[17:49] <TJ-> BluesKaj: :D
[17:49] <TJ-> BluesKaj: that explains how they can guarantee 100Mbps
[17:50] <BluesKaj> no I stll have a coax cable line into the house from the distribution box in front yard, the tech just has to reconnect it
[17:51] <BluesKaj>  can do the rest here, I still have a wall connector to that line
[17:52] <BluesKaj> it's fiber to the box outside then copper coax from there
[17:53] <daftykins> ah
[17:54] <BluesKaj> actually I'm relieved...was worried about rain snow etc affecting OTA signals
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj, though Arris modems haven't had the best reputation as of late
[17:55] <BluesKaj> pragmaticenigma, we'll see , if it doesn't perform I'll ask for a better one
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> For my cable provider I just went and got my own up front... financially didn't make sense to rent a modem since they are the only high speed provider for my neighborhood. it paid for itself in 1 year
[18:02] <daftykins> better to have a multi-channel more capable unit too
[18:03] <BluesKaj> not renting , already paid up front yesterday
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> for sure!
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> my comment on the multichanneling
[18:04] <BluesKaj> multichanneling in what sense?
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> in order to get higherspeeds, cable providers use multiple channels to send data
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> the more channels the modem can use, the better. as it can channel hop to less cogested channels, and bond more channels together for higher speed
[18:07] <BluesKaj> safter reaing the specsi, this modem is 1750mb capable ...is that fast enough?
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj, for a home with 3-4 people it's more than enough
[18:09] <BluesKaj> pragmaticenigma, well, I'm alone now so it's plenty for me
[18:14] <BluesKaj> my buddy just called so i'm heading out for a few beer...chat with you guys later
[18:51] <slidinghorn> 2 questions:  1) Is #ubuntu-beginners no longer a thing?  2) Are personal introduction pages on the wiki no longer a thing?
[18:58] <nacc> slidinghorn: afaik, 2) is still a thing
[18:58] <slidinghorn> nacc: I made one years back, but it's saying it's not editable
[18:59] <nacc> slidinghorn: are you logged in? in the wiki editors group on LP?
[19:00] <slidinghorn> Nevermind, sorry...my session wasn't working in that tab for some reason
[19:00] <nacc> slidinghorn: np
[21:39] <tsimonq2> Heyooo
[21:39] <tsimonq2> How goes it here?
[21:39] <Bashing-om> too quiet .. makes one wonder :)
[21:39] <oerheks> sssst ...
[21:40] <oerheks> ow, wait
[21:40] <nacc> heh
[21:40] <oerheks>  /disable naptime
[21:41] <daftykins> error: only Drapper can do that
[21:41] <daftykins> :D
[21:41] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Noooo .. naps are good :P
[21:42] <tsimonq2> So what Bashing-om said in #ubuntu-release...
[21:42] <oerheks> lets discuss that ..
[21:42] <tsimonq2> There aren't *heavy* discussions, and those exist on the mailing list.
[21:42] <tsimonq2> But I did poll flavors informally (and individually) about it.
[21:42] <tsimonq2> They all seem cool with the idea I proposed.
[21:43] <tsimonq2> The only people I didn't talk to until after the fact were Ubuntu Studio (because there's some turbulence there atm) and Ubuntu Kylin because handsome_feng needs to get a freaking bouncer. ;)
[21:43] <tsimonq2> Although handsome_feng did respond on the mailing list.
[21:43] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Several are on favorof  dropping the beta schedule as you have proposed .
[21:44] <tsimonq2> The first beta and the two alphas, yeah.
[21:44] <tsimonq2> In *fact*, I think the only flavors I haven't gotten a formal ack from are Xubuntu and U Studio.
[21:44] <tsimonq2> I dunno who leads Xubuntu these days tbh, I just go through flocculant, who's a nice guy. ;)
[21:45] <tsimonq2> And I've been talking with the new leadership of U Studio today.
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Soooo
[21:45] <tsimonq2> It will be adopted Soon, I thinl.
[21:45] <tsimonq2> *think
[21:45] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: And my response was that I would support what ever the "big boys" wanted of me .. valorie made sure that I amended the 'boys' :)
[21:45] <tsimonq2> hehe
[21:46] <tsimonq2> valorie is a proud feminist (rightly so), gotta love her. :)
[21:46] <tsimonq2> She's a cool person IRL too. She makes some *really* nice cold brew coffee.
[21:47] <tsimonq2> (Don't tell genii. ;D)
[21:47] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: my goto for xubuntu is unit193 . He is fast to respond and recommend a approriate action .
[21:47] <tsimonq2> The last time I talked to Unit193 was when I was telling him to just go for MOTU already, about a month ago.
[21:47] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:48] <tsimonq2> He's a really competent developer, and should already have it, but the meeting times don't match up.
[21:48] <Bashing-om> ysI developed a strong appreciation of the feminine cognitive abilities a long time ago in a different world .
[21:49] <nacc> tsimonq2: +1
[21:50] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: Women should be treated equally as men, really.
[21:51] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Unit193 frequents #ubuntuforums, and as said is quick to respond .
[21:51] <tsimonq2> I don't proclaim to be a "feminist" because that's gotten such a *negative* connotation lately, but I believe it.
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: There's an #ubuntuforums? :)
[21:52] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: I am of the opinion in the work force .. why not ?? they do the same job .. and many times better !
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: I think people, no matter what race or gender, shouldn't be judged by their looks or gender, but how they *actually* perform.
[21:53] <lotuspsychje> good night to all
[21:54] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Can not sleeep ? Fancy again you here at this time :)
[21:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah insomnia
[21:54] <tsimonq2> On the flipside of that, if the person who, in a team of, let's say, ten people, sucks most at the job happens to be e.g. Asian, I wouldn't fire them because they were Asian, I would fire them because they suck at the job, and I would do the same to a white male, simple as that.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> hehe, yeah, insomnia is nothing new...
[21:55] <lotuspsychje> too clear mind to sleep atm
[21:55] <lotuspsychje> and taxi 5 s*cked badly..
[21:57] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: A cog in the wheel .. it is functionality that matters in my book . If one can not or will not do it .. find another that will . Just my take :)
[21:57] <tsimonq2> Right.
[21:58] <tsimonq2> I don't care if they're straight, gay, lesbian, Asian, white, black, blue ffs, if they can do the job well and work with the team well, they're beneficial, but if they aren't, they should either improve or get the axe.
[21:59] <tsimonq2> Anyway, this is #ubuntu-discuss. :)
[21:59] <lotuspsychje> the thin red line :p
[21:59] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu community, equality :p
[22:00] <tsimonq2> hehe
[23:06] <lotuspsychje> new article http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-04-lts-will-let-users-choose-between-normal-and-minimal-installation-520640.shtml
[23:08] <lotuspsychje> hey guiverc
[23:08] <guiverc> Howdy lotuspsychje - how are you?
[23:13] <lotuspsychje> fine ty mate