[00:04] <ochosi> ali1234: while that looks plausible, how else would you ship that than including it with adwaita?
[00:05] <ali1234> no idea, you're the theme expert :)
[00:05] <ali1234> could it go in xfce4-panel?
[00:05] <ochosi> the main issue i see is that getting it included in the latter as bugfix in time is probably hard, right jbicha?
[00:05] <ali1234> adwaita actually has a "hacks.rc" which has a few things like this
[00:05] <ali1234> oh i don't expect it to be fixed in 18.04
[00:06] <ochosi> shipping it with any xubuntu pkg would probably be unconditional, so it sould affect *every* theme
[00:07] <ali1234> would that necessarily be a bad thing?
[00:07] <ochosi> for 18.10 i hope we can ship more 4.13 components, including the panel
[00:07] <ochosi> yeah, potentially
[00:07] <ali1234> it would affect every theme yes, but only xfce4-panel
[00:07] <ali1234> or... maybe the problem really is in xfce4-panel and we could just fix it :)
[00:07] <ochosi> just sucks if you change the genetal behaviour only becsuse adwaita gtk2 changed
[00:08] <ochosi> nah, in the gtk2 version we shouldnt try to fix such trivialities anymore imo
[00:08] <ochosi> i'd rather spend time on cleaning up deprecations etc in gtk3
[00:09] <ali1234> i don't see clipped icons in any other software, and it isn't caused by the size of the panel, so it must be doing something wrong in the way it is constructing the widgets
[00:09] <ali1234> do you know for sure it doesn't do the same thing in the gtk3 version?
[00:09] <ali1234> i have not tried it
[00:09] <ochosi> adwaita at least doesnt
[00:09] <ochosi> i already pushed some sane defaults to the gtk3 panel
[00:10] <ochosi> this is much easier to control with gtk3
[00:10] <ochosi> so far all themes worked fine
[00:10] <ali1234> i looked at the greybird gtk2 rcs - there's a lot of workarounds in there...
[00:10] <ochosi> ofc
[00:11] <ochosi> its historically grown
[00:11] <ali1234> for specific programs i mean
[00:11] <ochosi> i havent questioned 90% of its content in years
[00:11] <ochosi> i'll gladly drop gtk2
[00:11] <bluesabre> :o
[00:11] <ali1234> you'll be lucky
[00:12] <ochosi> but as that is not realistic in the near future i'll keep it all there
[00:12] <ali1234> give it another 5 years and maybe
[00:12] <ochosi> but i'll also not invest any time tbh
[00:12] <ochosi> i rather try to push versus 4.14
[00:13] <ochosi> keeping up with gtk3 theming is enough work as it is ;)
[00:13] <ali1234> ironically Adwaita gtk2 is actually really good
[00:13] <ali1234> it's been completely revamped since 16.04
[00:13] <ochosi> well they reworked it recently as a community effort
[00:14] <ochosi> 90% pixbuf engine now
[00:14] <ochosi> not exactly efficient...
[00:14] <ali1234> it only has custom CSS for three apps: gimp, chrome, and libreoffice
[00:14] <ochosi> but probably nobody cares too muvh
[00:15] <ali1234> oh and vim for some reason
[00:15] <ochosi> right
[00:16] <ochosi> yeah, i looked at the source a while ago
[00:16] <ochosi> but never really tested it tbh
[00:17] <ochosi> anyway, i know this is partly boring, but if you wanna help with finalizing the panel for 4.14 - any help is appreciated!
[00:17] <ochosi> gotta get some sleep now
[00:17] <ochosi> nighty
[00:18] <ali1234> i will probably install it when i upgrade to 18.04
[00:19] <ochosi> sounds like a good first step ;)
[00:19] <ali1234> right now i am finalizing the workarounds i need to do that
[00:54] <bluesabre> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/364395163/xubuntu-community-artwork_18.04.0_source.changes chilling in the queue
[03:36] <bluesabre> And there it is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-community-artwork/18.04.0
[03:36] <bluesabre> nighty all
[04:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: definitely new here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GbKgbSYbcV/
[04:31] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - do we know offhand what causes the slow change to wallpaper at login for some? 
[04:54] <krytarik> flocculant: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/3.28.0-0ubuntu4 - and why have you got gnome-session-bin installed?  And neither of those are on the images.
[04:58] <flocculant> krytarik: maybe gnome-calc or gnome-dik-utility ?
[04:59] <flocculant> if it's just me - that's fine
[05:01] <krytarik> Neither looks like - try "apt -s remove gnome-session-bin"?
[05:04] <flocculant> -session-common -startup-applications and -session-bin all could be removed
[05:05] <krytarik> Well yay then, you don't need it!.. :P
[05:05] <flocculant> :p
[05:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: sorry - I get a bit itchy when we're this close - and being tired doesn't help :p
[05:17]  * flocculant thanks krytarik for being awake enough 
[10:05] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, everybody does
[10:06] <bluesabre> I've got a bunch of noise in my bug inbox about "xfce-* doesn't work" and the bug report goes on to talk about running openbox, installing from the mini iso, or using gnome-settings to configure their gnome session :\
[12:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: I presume you saw the nmu of mugshot?
[12:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Ah fantastic you picked up ristretto, sorry about that. :3
[12:23] <Unit193> flocculant: gnome-session-bin came from software-properties before it was fixed, apt-get changelog should describe the timeline.
[12:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: what does nmu mean again?
[12:28] <Unit193> non-maintainer upload.
[17:06] <tracker8> !team | flocculant will be mia until he gets his interwebs back again - see you sometime :)
[20:14] <albinard> checking in
[20:18] <knome> on?
[20:19] <albinard> just arrived - new poster, don't know proper hello form
[20:19] <knome> hello :)
[20:19] <knome> so are you interested in contributing to xubuntu or..?
[20:20] <albinard> I've done a few tests of Xubuntu Core recent ISOs
[20:20] <knome> aha, nice :)
[20:21] <albinard> commented on the latest one on Mailing List today
[20:21] <knome> i've seen some threads about it, yep
[20:25] <albinard> what is the current status of Wayland in Xubuntu?
[20:25] <knome> it isn't there and it isn't in the foreseeable near future that it's getting in
[20:26] <knome> even xfce isn't supporting wayland yet...
[20:26] <albinard> I wondered, because a recent update had some wayland bits in it
[20:26] <knome> basically xfce needs gtk3 support first
[23:15] <bluesabre> Working on translation releases tonight...
[23:15] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/sgt-launcher/0.2/0.2.4
[23:16] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.4/1.4.5
[23:16] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/mugshot/0.4/0.4.0