=== Guest55123 is now known as unioperator === kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar [05:06] good morning to all [05:07] Hey lotuspsychje how's it going? [05:07] hey slidinghorn im fine ty, how was your day [05:08] not too bad - pulling my hair out trying to learn how to package, but I'll survive [05:08] slidinghorn: what are you compiling? [05:09] I've compiled it just fine, but trying to make a .deb package of a driver for Corsair keyboards as a learning exercise so I can possibly help maintain packages in the future [05:09] it's called ckb-next [05:10] wauw, cool contribute [05:10] !deb [05:10] deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility. [05:10] hmm not very usefull [05:10] morning LtWorf [05:11] slidinghorn: i think an interesting channel would be #ubuntu-release for you [05:11] I'm using this guide, but it's lacking in some areas (e.g. when the application is compiled w/ cmake) http://packaging.ubuntu.com/singlehtml/index.html#document-ubuntu-packaging-guide/packaging-new-software [05:12] slidinghorn: alot of same minded guys there [05:12] it spams new packages in the channel on release [05:13] just joined [05:13] and might help you on some purposes too [05:14] like where to start if you want to propose a new package [05:15] i dont know enough of packaging [05:16] #ubuntu-devel might be interesting aswell [05:33] good morning, everyone [05:33] morning ducasse [05:34] morning mate [05:35] hi lotuspsychje - how are you today? [05:40] great here mate [05:40] enjoying free time holiday [05:40] good, any plans today? [05:41] today chilling and grocerys, sushi and belgium got talent :p [05:42] hehe :) [06:12] All in for this session .. Do this more tomorrow \o [06:17] !ping [06:17] pong! [06:24] breakfast [06:40] Good morning [06:40] morning lordievader - how are you? [06:41] Doing good here [06:42] busy day ahead? [06:46] Hopefully less busy than the previous ones. [07:03] slidinghorn: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ [07:03] lotuspsychje: that's the guide I've been using [07:03] ah [07:22] hi lotuspsychje (my computer wakes up earlier) [07:22] hehe [07:25] bbl guys [07:25] morning, LtWorf [07:27] hello ducasse [07:34] How are you doing ducasse ? [07:39] lordievader: i'm ok, thanks, waiting for some visitors in a couple of hours [07:40] Nice vistors, or less nice visitors? 😋 [07:41] well, kind of both. the terraces i live in are being demolished, i'm being forced to move. they're coming to give me information etc. [07:42] Hmm, that sucks. [07:43] 'both' because my mother is coming to help me talk to them about my needs from a new place [07:54] ah, i was wondering if one was going to be some hot girl or something :D [07:56] one can always hope ;) [07:57] There is always a chance 😉 [07:58] hot girl: "you have to move from here, because we are tearing the place down", you: "can i move in with you then?" [07:58] Would sweeten the move a bit. [08:34] https://imgur.com/a/JpxH6 my bionic desk [08:37] looks good, lotuspsychje [08:38] tnx ducasse [08:40] mine looks quite a bit simpler :) [08:40] i like minimal too [08:40] I have a very similar setup. [08:41] One taskbar, clean background. [08:41] when you return fixxing windows pc's, you get that crowdy feeling again [08:41] Hehehe [08:42] lubuntu 18.04 was feeling real spacy aswell [08:43] cosmos wallpaper [08:47] https://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-18-04-Bionic-Beavis-725756464 [08:47] lol [08:48] I love it [08:49] this had better be in the final release :P [08:49] hehe [08:53] lotuspsychje: i kinda expected a photo of your real desk [08:53] i can make that too LtWorf [08:54] i suppose you can, yes :D [08:58] LtWorf: https://imgur.com/a/UiqAZ [08:59] so tidy, i have wires and things all over the place :D [09:00] :p [09:08] https://photos.app.goo.gl/VhKbEHNFOIT31eQS2 [09:08] wow neat [09:08] bbl [09:22] now i feel compelled to take one too [09:22] but i share the room at work [10:06] Hi Folks [10:06] hi [10:38] JimBuntu: we have purple1 in #ubuntu-kernel... beginning now to look like a bot quoting random messages [10:39] hi TJ-, LtWorf [10:42] It could be. [10:46] seems so alright , JimBuntu, TJ- [10:46] JimBuntu: maybe it's going through a translator, the language is weird. The client is from St Louis, Missouri, so I'd have expected better grasp of English [10:46] yup, charter.com [10:46] I don't think it's a translator. I'm leaning toward bot or bot-like troll myself now. [10:47] We'll see if the "says JimBuntu MSG: 43" winds up in another repsonse [10:48] think the line, "possibly binary swap error in your thought pattern" gives it away as a bot [10:48] The questions in #ubuntu-kernel were about locating the original 14.04 ISOs and then finding which kernel version is included. Seemed legit but then has gone off at a steep tangent [10:52] TJ-, this took all of 2 minutes - http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04.0/ so, I don't think it's a legit question for #ubuntu-kernel, but hey, people ask all kinds of stuff without a single bit of leg work [11:01] right, I told him to move to #ubuntu and he/it did, which was why I can't be sure [11:12] TJ-, just trying to make it simple :-) [11:15] It sometimes amazes me we ever get any computer to do anything! [11:15] it's a good job I've got a serial console on this APU! couldn't reach it via hostname due to some mDNS issue where it wasn't advertising itself [11:15] quite weird seeing the Ubuntu MOTD over serial though; I'm so used to seeing some custom embedded Linux kludge that doesn't work correctly! [11:17] I still use different MOTDs for each machine, I'll hopefully never get tired of ASCII graphics (or ANSI for that matter) [11:24] It's refreshing to know I've got a full GNU userspace [11:26] ducasse: looks like the desk of Neo :p [11:29] You all make me want to clean up my workspaces, lol. I would be embarrassed to show a pic of mine right now. Even more so to show the electronics bench. [11:29] grrr, more bugs! found the cause of the mDNS losing resolution: "avahi-daemon: Host name conflict, retrying with apu2-2" (host is "apu2") [11:29] JimBuntu: don't go there! I can't move on mine [11:30] * lordievader dislikes mDNS [11:30] Sure the idea is nice, but in practice it is just more trouble. [11:30] I need to clear a space to swap over a display - dropped my PDA in the sink whilst shaving and listening to audiobook! [11:30] JimBuntu: i got a business, so it has to be a bit clean :p [11:31] TJ-: bug url? [11:32] I'm looking for one now [11:33] * lotuspsychje is listening to jamendo.com lounge radion [11:36] Oh gawd! avahi is /another/ project from a Canonical employee that seems to have lost interest! [11:37] virtually nothing substantial committed since May/July 2017 https://github.com/lathiat/avahi/commits/master [11:38] yikes [11:39] JimBuntu: they say, messy ppl are the most creative ones :p [11:39] einstein had a messy desk too! [11:39] well, it shows they are busy at least :-) [11:39] lol [11:40] with so many project cancellations, what are any of them doing? o0 [11:43] someone mentioned that canonical is losing some key employees these days [11:43] I'm mostly messy due to rapid task switching. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that nearly 50% of my tasks/projects get put on the back burner for some new fire that has to be put out or some data analysis that needs to be in someones eyes asap. [11:43] BluesKaj, I have heard of many leaving the nest, yes. [11:44] heh id a messy desk/office means creativity and genius I wonder what a clean empty desk means ? :-) [11:45] if [11:45] JimBuntu: same here, task-switching is a killer [11:45] Mine is more recent laziness.. can't be bothered to clear up because it just means shuffling it to some hidden location where it'll be forgotten [11:47] I had started to adopt a method where for hardware, I would box and label everything with some notes about shared items that couldn't be boxed and here was the unexpected, I would brain storm words, didn't matter if I saw the connection at the time. That somehow helped me remember everything else about what I was doing, once I was able to re-start. Luckily, slowed on the HW stuff. [11:50] avahi issue looks to be https://github.com/lathiat/avahi/issues/117 [11:50] comment on 2 May by callegar reports the same thing I'm seeing [12:00] gah, goes back to 2011! bug #831022 [12:00] bug 831022 in avahi (Ubuntu) "avahi daemon erroneously assumes host name conflicts (and causes more trouble then)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831022 [12:59] EriC^^: got an uefi issue in #ubuntu+1 [13:50] ooh his favourite :) [13:51] the uefi wizard :p [14:11] hey nacc pragmaticenigma [14:11] morning [14:13] :D [15:07] * pragmaticenigma wonders why !best was deleted... seems still applicable today [15:07] of course I ask that just as someone who might have the answer rejoins :-P [16:24] hi EriC^^ [16:24] hi ducasse [16:24] hi daftykins [16:24] hi immu [16:24] hey EriC^^ whats up [16:24] is ubuntu 18.04 out? [16:24] \o [16:24] !isitoutyet [16:24] Not yet! [16:25] how much more days left? shouldn't it out by yet [16:25] til around april 23 [16:25] immu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule [16:25] immu: have you chosen your flavor yet? [16:27] nope i am on solus [16:27] your not gonna install beaver immu ? [16:28] because of Gnome , nope [16:28] shame on you [16:28] why do you await its out then? [16:28] just tracking [16:28] :p [16:29] i am both excited and scared of 18.04 release [16:29] why so EriC^^ [16:29] yeah its double feeling [16:29] when unity was declared dead i also died with it [16:29] unity aint dead yet [16:29] there's possibility of shittiness, also might be cool and new features [16:30] i dunno i might use gnome on the other laptop for a while with 18.04 and if i like it maybe i'll switch, hard to imagine now [16:30] its a LTS release [16:31] they did a good job already making gnome a better feeling [16:31] but not perfect yet [16:32] so its on the 29th [16:32] so got time to stablize [16:33] immu: 26th [16:33] but i keep donating to various open source projects including ubuntu [16:34] my bank number is... [16:35] 127.0.0.1 [16:35] donations always welcome [16:37] lotuspsychje, make unity on ubuntu happ again and i will [16:43] !info ubuntu-unity-desktop bionic | immu [16:43] immu: ubuntu-unity-desktop (source: ubuntu-unity-meta): The Ubuntu Unity desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 8 kB (Only available for amd64; arm64; armhf; i386; ppc64el) [16:43] immu: its back! gimme my money now [16:44] immu: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-unity-desktop-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux [16:46] why would anyone want Unity... this I don't understand [16:47] flavors for everyone pragmaticenigma [16:48] lotuspsychje, here $$$$$ [16:48] lol [16:48] masochism is free! 8D [16:48] for me personally, unity always felt half baked and so much parallel with Gnome that I just didn't see what differentiated the two enough to warrent separation [16:49] logical for a gnome fork [16:50] but what was being done different? other than the launcher? [16:51] many things [16:51] it took me days to recover from the initial shock of the news. [16:51] lol [16:51] seriously [16:51] * lotuspsychje calls an ambulance [16:51] i suspect they wanted it to have its' own personal look, from a branding perspective [16:51] branding and identity [16:52] plus the original plan to have things look the same between desktop and mobile [16:52] +1 [16:52] if i could look over your shoulder and see a desktop that was unique, i might ask "wow what's that you're using?" [16:52] the only thing I potentially saw was their idea of the same interface from mobile to desktop [16:53] but instead it's more "oh dear Tux what IS that?" :D [16:55] * BluesKaj avoids al the unity-gnome falderal by running kde/plasma :-) [16:55] :p [16:56] never liked gnome from the get-go in 2005...looked cartooney to me [16:58] and hated the panel at the top [16:59] just to be different than windows methinks [16:59] :p [16:59] heh [17:00] i tested alot of them [17:00] and i wanna use vanilla ubuntu-desktop [17:00] whatever it is [17:00] to avoid some looney copyright, trademark infringement... they had to make it less "windows like" [17:03] hmm [17:03] a lot of users accused kde of being too much like windows, but i don't recall hearing about any lawsuits against it [17:07] unity is what made ubuntu cool and useful [17:07] So use unity [17:07] make ubuntu like windows: make sudo passwordless, and install avg :-D [17:11] heh ...think canonical is trying that oerheks :-) [17:12] xangua, if a official release is out [17:16] But they put the window buttons at the left! [17:16] bbl tv [17:17] immu: I'm still using 16.04, don't know what I'll use when support ends tho [17:18] oerheks, you already can make sudo password less [17:20] pragmaticenigma, Do you suggest that become default? That would be a funny default, and open SSH for password-less login, simply default to root if no other user is provided. I would call it the powershell edition [17:20] not saying default, I'm saying it can already be done [17:21] i like bing, somehow .. https://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-security-advisory-cross-site-scripting-in-site-search [17:21] There are distros that autoinstall a user with passwordless sudo [17:22] there was once upon a time a linux distro that looked exactly like Windows XP, installer and all looked and felt like you were installing Windows... might still have the name of it in my notes somewhere [17:25] pragmaticenigma, whoa, I haven't seen one of those, that I can remember. A distro that defaulted to passwordless sudo. and yes, I figured you meant by changing the /etc/sudoers file regarding going passwordless. [17:25] brb need to get aunt from airport :) [17:32] pragmaticenigma, zorin OS perhaps? [17:33] predates Zorin [17:37] I think it was called Redmond Linux BluesKaj JimBuntu [17:39] That would make sense. [17:40] pragmaticenigma, had you ever checked out Slax? I thought it was pretty nice back in the day and configured a bunch of peoples machines to multi-boot with customized versions for them. non-persistant mostly. [17:40] I vaguely recall something about that distro, but it was released before I discovered linux [17:42] I keep hoping MenuetOS will take off someday [18:02] What I liked about Slax was that they had a web site where you picked your base and then selected what additional software you wanted, it took care of the depends/etc and created a custom ISO for you. If they didn't have what you wanted, they made it fairly easy to re-package things. The downside was that few if any of the packages were coming from the original authors... so always a little dubious [18:08] Doesn't OpenSuSE have something like that though? [18:08] JimBuntu, https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Creating_customized_installation_source [18:13] thank you pragmaticenigma. [19:14] !Ping [19:14] pong! [19:31] !pong [19:31] pong is an old atari game. It's fun! [19:31] daaamn [19:31] nice [19:33] !dong [19:33] !ping [19:33] pong! [19:33] !ding [19:33] dong [19:34] !cha [19:34] darn, we need a !ching esponse [19:35] !pm | ubot5` [19:35] ubot5`: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. [19:45] when is 18.04 being released again [19:45] !bionic [19:45] Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) will be the 28th release of Ubuntu - Announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1518 - Discussion in #ubuntu+1 [19:45] !releases [19:45] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [19:45] hrm [19:45] it's in about 2 weeks [19:45] ah thanks nacc [19:53] !party | EriC^^ [19:53] EriC^^: Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [20:07] :D [20:14] 18.04 - April 26th - EriC^^ [20:15] thank you pragmaticenigma [22:49] Is this a free society where one can speak freely without being silence? [22:50] as long as the penguins aren't harmed, all is well [22:51] summergirl: trolling? === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [22:51] nacc: You feel having grievenences is trolling? [22:52] summergirl: what grievance do you have? [22:52] summergirl: your statement reads very much like trolling, given this is an Ubuntu related discussion channel [22:53] Yes, that's how it starts, you make a suggestion, other people read it [22:53] no i think it starts with a question [22:54] summergirl: ... you didn't even make a suggestion [22:54] summergirl: you made a non-sequitur question for the channel [22:54] summergirl: *this*, being an IRC channel, is not a sociey [22:54] summergirl: so, in fact, you asked a vacuous question. [22:55] As I said, is it a free society, where one can speak freely without being silence, you suggest trolling, that's a trend by open source.... Why I was reluctant to come here because I was fully aware these kinda behavior you would expect here === summergirl is now known as bugzbunny [22:56] .. [22:56] lol [22:57] damn we fell for it [22:57] i guess so [22:57] we did, i did anyway [22:57] I asked freenode to kline me [22:57] ? [22:57] They not doing it [22:57] bugzbunny: why? [22:58] Because I believe in free society [22:58] good lord [22:58] trolls galore today [22:58] That wasn't a lie [22:58] bugzbunny: just quite the service? why do you need a kline? [22:58] *quyit [22:58] I've been on freenode for over 5 years [22:58] bah, quit [22:58] bugzbunny: so? [22:59] bugzbunny: also, this is neither 'high quality' nor 'on-topic' [22:59] I've been kline roughly 30 times [23:00] But as I told freenode staff members, I believe in something [23:00] That won't change [23:01] what the heck does that have to do with ubuntu or anything else [23:01] bugzbunny: just go away? [23:03] I don't support you idea about shoeing people away, I feel you destroy the dundementals about what's mean to be _part_ of the open source community [23:03] fundementals& [23:06] bugzbunny: i am not "shooing" you away [23:06] bugzbunny: you are asking the network ops to kline yhou [23:06] afaict, you are 'shooing' yourself away [23:06] which i don't understand at all [23:06] is alcohol intoxidation at play here. quite possible i say [23:06] kostkon: it is friday (at least here, it is) [23:07] that's why i said it [23:07] :) [23:07] In #ubuntu [23:08] bugzbunny, if you feel disoriented, you are currently in #ubuntu-discuss, fyi [23:10] I read the guidelines a few times [23:11] bugzbunny: so? [23:11] I just read again, nothing does it say, 'we won't help you if you don't use software from our repositories'? [23:12] bugzbunny: what is 'ubuntu'? [23:12] it's a distribution of software [23:13] the official channel for said software would support what is in it [23:13] not random other stuff [23:13] pretty sure you're just trolling for trolling's sake. [23:13] Exactly like I said earlier [23:14] bugzbunny: what do you disagree with about what I just wrote? [23:14] bugzbunny: we don't support Windows in #ubuntu here, do you have a problem with that? [23:14] No, your culture got your mind set [23:14] ... [23:14] It doesn't matter what I say, if go against the grain [23:15] so 'no, I don't disagree with what you said'? [23:15] bugzbunny: i'm asking you a simple and direct question. [23:15] No, you won't listen and attack me [23:15] ... [23:15] bugzbunny: in what way did I 'attack' you? [23:16] There is no point, as I've already said, there is nothing in Guidles that says, 'we won't help you if you using anything else besides what we have in our repositories' [23:17] bugzbunny: we support "ubuntu" in the official ubuntu channel [23:17] bugzbunny: are you asking about things that are not in ubuntu? [23:18] There is nothing I read on IRC Guidelines that says 'we will not help no one who don't install software from Ubuntu repositories' [23:19] If that's the case [23:20] Make it clear on Ubuntu.com [23:20] So that you don't have those people keep comming in #ubuntu no? [23:20] bugzbunny has been a troll for the past couple weeks [23:20] slidinghorn: Proof [23:21] ^^ proof [23:21] "These guidelines do not cover every single aspect of the Ubuntu channels' etiquette" [23:21] Ask Dax when I last joined [23:21] which feels like use some basic logic [23:21] the 'official ubuntu support channel' supports 'ubuntu'; [23:21] not all of linux [23:21] not all of computing [23:21] bugzbunny: do you disagree with what ubuntu is? [23:21] la la la lonely people [23:22] I disagree with you, I don't disagree about Ubuntu [23:22] bugzbunny: ... [23:22] bugzbunny: so you admit to asking offtopic questions? [23:22] Because Ubuntu should make it clear in their help section that, Ubuntu Implicility support only software from Ubuntu repositories [23:24] bugzbunny: what? [23:24] bugzbunny: 1) the official ubuntu support channel supports ubuntu only [23:24] k [23:24] bugzbunny: 2) ubuntu is defined to be a set of software shipped in the ubuntu repositories [23:24] k [23:24] lolz, universe and restricted are not supported by ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu [23:25] bugzbunny, file the report then [23:25] bugzbunny: 3) therefore the offiicial ubuntu support channel supports the set of software shipped in the ubuntu repositories. [23:25] bugzbunny: so ... you have no issue then? [23:25] Change the /topic in #ubuntu in the channel that makes that clear too [23:25] bugzbunny: it's a literal logical conclusion. which you seem to be unwilling to make? [23:27] No, this is the only distribution, out of all distributions from ArchLinux to Fedora to OpenSUSE [23:28] tellin ya. It's the downspiral of IRC in general. All the other networks are slowing down in popularity. All the trolls come to freenode now because it's got more people to aggravate. [23:28] Had this same discussion in another channel today due to the same issue ... different trolls [23:28] This the only distribution community I've read that is bars people from dicussing software that is not directly come from Ubuntu repositories [23:29] bugzbunny: ok, so don't use ubuntu? [23:29] bugzbunny: you answered the question yourself there bugzbunny [23:29] DISCUSSING [23:29] #ubuntu is not a discussion channel [23:29] It is a support channel [23:29] for ONLY ubuntu [23:30] nacc: So this is not Free society [23:30] bugzbunny: this is not a society. This is a chatroom [23:30] bugzbunny: what? you can choose to use ubuntu or not [23:31] it's friday, and i'm almost eod. [23:31] I never give on Freenode for the past 5 [23:31] years [23:31] i think you're being ridiculous bugzbunny and are in my mind a troll. I'm putting you in my /ignore. I hope you have a nice weekend. [23:31] 30 linkes [23:31] klines* [23:32] bugzbunny: if you need help with or want to discuss klines, go to #freenode [23:32] bugzbunny: that is the more appropriate place [23:32] So, you have a culture that you refuse to change and you guys believe it's beneficial for the community [23:32] Noted [23:32] Personally, I think UBuntu should withdraw being open source [23:33] bugzbunny: I think you might not know what "open source" means, in that case [23:33] Ubuntu is not a democracy, it's a meritocracy [23:33] or crazy [23:34] oerheks: as much as I disagree with trolls, I do verymuch dislike that idea [23:34] I know what exactly, since I've been around for this long, not as long as most [23:34] Mark is the only dictator i like. [23:35]