[00:02] <guiverc> i'd usually blank gdoc when I started next-issue (or Simon/Lyz would too)
[00:03] <pleia2> gdoc == google doc, the one I linked to the other day :)
[00:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: *NOT* the process as I had envisioned . Will have to don my learning cap. Will take some time on my part :)
[00:04] <Bashing-om> pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit ??
[00:05] <pleia2> that's the one
[00:05] <guiverc> Bashing-om: as in i didn't answer the question you were asking?  or my process (which was Lyz's really, and is documented on wiki) wasn't what you imagined
[00:08] <guiverc> (during the week prior to copy to gdoc, I'd keep the list on a local file (text-editor), feeds I saw on g+ (i use it) I'd share to 'ubuntu.posts' where I could find later) - these I'd copy to gdoc on friday-collection...)
[00:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I have read all I can .. and I remain as dumb as a box of rocks as to how to get this done .
[00:10] <guiverc> how can I help - would you like me to populate gdoc some?  or how?
[00:12] <Bashing-om> got to be away for a bit .. back soonest . guiverc that process of populating gdoc has me befuzzled - But I have yet to even load the cart, much less hitch up the horses .
[00:13] <guiverc> most of links came from liferea or my rss feeds starting with "planet ubuntu" etc...  google-alerts [daily] were lucky to add 1 per week, my g+ feed got a few but many were also in rss.feeds
[00:27] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies  was the wiki i followed (by Lyz); paulw2u helped guide heaps, gdoc was just blanked (templates in wiki relate to later wiki stages)
[00:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks heaps .. I go and read again :) - reading is good -
[00:35] <guiverc> i spent much time evaulating articles (picking the best; we avoided duplicates of same info, avoided howto's etc) - more time doing this than actually looking for articles (on news-occuring weeks anyway, esp. release times)
[01:43] <krytarik> Wild_Man, Bashing-om: https://git.launchpad.net/~krytarik/uwn/+git/uwn - here it is.
[01:48] <krytarik> tsimonq2: https://code.launchpad.net/~uwn/uwn/+git/uwn - care to drop this now after having been moved to the right namespace?
[01:56] <krytarik> Erm, except that is the right one - only this view is slightly confusing.. >_>
[01:56] <krytarik> https://code.launchpad.net/uwn , that is.
[01:58] <Wild_Man> Thanks krytarik getting it now
[02:04] <Bashing-om> krytarik: looking :)
[02:08] <Wild_Man> krytarik, all scripts are in this  git clone https://git.launchpad.net/uwn ?
[02:10] <krytarik> I might or might not a bit later on 1.) add any details to the commit message, and 2.) make a few more changes - but this is good enough for me right now to save a state. :)
[02:13] <krytarik> Wild_Man: That's the main repo, yes - but how to clone mine is stated on its own page I just linked.
[02:14] <Wild_Man> okay, looking
[02:15] <tsimonq2> krytarik: I can Just Merge your commit if you want.
[02:23] <Wild_Man> krytarik, do I have to be logged to read the directions to get the scripts? because I do not see any directions and I a few days ago I redid my computer and now I can not log into launchpad
[02:25] <krytarik> Sorry, was reading backlog here.. :)
[02:26] <pleia2> Wild_Man: you can browse the cold here, no login required https://git.launchpad.net/uwn/tree/
[02:26] <pleia2> s/cold/code
[02:26] <pleia2> my door is open ;)
[02:26] <Wild_Man> thanks pleia2
[02:29] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Well, regardless of what I just said about its state, I've tested the whole thing extensively, also with diffs between before and now - so if you also figure it's good enough as is, feel free to go forward and merge yes. :)
[02:30] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Does it work?
[02:31] <Wild_Man> we should wait for the merge to be done before getting the scripts?
[02:31] <tsimonq2> Nah.
[02:31] <tsimonq2> You can just git pull when I grab the commit.
[02:31] <Wild_Man> thanks
[02:31] <krytarik> tsimonq2: I believe I indicated so, yes.. :D
[02:32] <tsimonq2> krytarik: OK, grabbing.
[02:37] <tsimonq2> krytarik: .
[02:38] <krytarik> \o/
[02:54] <Wild_Man> I cloned it but no idea what to do with it or how to find where it was cloned on my computer. Can I copy each one to my text editor and save them in my home folder give them execution permission then run for example this command ./publish-uwn.pl 520 to run the scripts?
[02:57] <krytarik> 'git clone' by default clones into the working directory in the terminal you run it from - so the created repo directory will be literally under your nose after having run it.
[02:58] <Wild_Man> ok
[02:58] <Wild_Man> thanks
[02:58] <krytarik> And that will be named just "uwn" in this case.
[03:00] <Wild_Man> that is why I could not find it, but I have now
[03:01] <krytarik> Cool.
[03:03] <Wild_Man> I am testing it on 520 should this command run the script  ./publish-uwn.pl 520
[03:08] <Wild_Man> I found the readme file woot
[03:17] <Wild_Man> I will take this up more tomorrow but from what I read we copy the letter from the wiki into our text editor then run the command say the one for the forum and it formats it for the forum then we post it correct? we need to do the same for each place we are posting the letter?
[03:17] <Wild_Man> krytarik?
[03:18] <pleia2> that's right
[03:19] <pleia2> and one of us old people can walk through the release the first time to answer any questions
[03:19] <tsimonq2> Yep.
[03:20] <Wild_Man> pleia2, yes I knew one of you would, I am getting it now that I have the scripts on my computer and finally found them
[03:20] <pleia2> :)
[03:20] <Wild_Man> this is a process
[03:20] <Wild_Man> does one person usually publish to all venues?
[03:21] <tsimonq2> Yep, typically.
[03:21] <tsimonq2> We can tag team though.
[03:21] <pleia2> yeah, depends on who is available, if a couple of us were around at release time we'd typically split the work
[03:22] <Wild_Man> I will do that unless someone wants to help out
[03:22] <pleia2> but it was often just one person
[03:22] <krytarik> Wild_Man: No, once the wiki page for the new issue is there, you only run the script once as you noted, and a subdirectory like "issues/520/" will be filled with everything you need.
[03:22] <Wild_Man> cool
[03:23] <Wild_Man> I will test in a few minutes I need to see if I can ping popey and ask him if he will add Bashing-om to the wiki editors team
[03:27] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, hopefully popey can add you to the wiki editors team soon, I posted in chat for him
[03:29] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: We make progress .. working on getting step one done :)
[03:30] <Wild_Man> indeed
[03:39] <Wild_Man> I received an error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vy85SPgsy6/ looks like I need to install some dependencies, if so is there one package that has them all?
[03:42] <krytarik> Yeah ok, you pulled it from the main repo before my changes got in - had this before too, dropped the use of it.
[03:43] <krytarik> Should just be able to "git pull" now though.
[03:43] <Wild_Man> do I need to delete the other first or will it be overwritten
[03:44] <tsimonq2> .or
[03:44] <tsimonq2> whoops
[03:45] <krytarik> Wild_Man: No, just pull.
[03:45] <Wild_Man> pleia2, to post the UWN on FB and twitter we have to be added have the passwords or be added as an admin to those accounts correct?
[03:45] <Wild_Man> thanks krytarik, should be an easy fix
[03:46] <pleia2> Wild_Man: for facebook you get added as an admin, for Twitter we can add your account as one that has access via tweetdeck
[03:47] <Wild_Man> okay, I figured being added as an admin was the case for FB but was not sure for twitter
[03:48] <Wild_Man> I use the forums twitter account but I guess I need to make sure mine still works so I can use it instead
[03:48]  * pleia2 nods
[03:59] <Wild_Man> I am going off line for tonight, thanks everyone for the help
[06:09] <Bashing-om> Off for the night also - take care all \o
[17:06] <krytarik> It occurred to me that it might be beneficial to make ~uwn a member of ~ubuntu-wiki-editors..
[18:09] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Seems sane.
[20:14] <Bashing-om> Ik team, fdoc: the headlunes are in and summaries done . See what yall think , And I have a glitch in the "Other Community News" section where it is hightlighted. No idea what I did wrong here .
[20:17] <Bashing-om> As I have the time I will see what I can find to fill in the vacant sections .
[20:21] <pleia2> just a couple suggestions, you want to avoid editorializing, so instead of saying "Great news for..." you'll want to be more balanced, it's not "Great" it's just news :) and "Yeah team !" is a bit out of place
[20:23] <pleia2> And we do strive for 2-3 sentence summaries, so the article about the wallpapers may want to include a few more details from the article
[20:24] <pleia2> I did some formatting fix-ups, and moved some of the 3rd party articles down into the "In the Press" section (General News is only from official Ubuntu/Ubuntu Member sources)
[20:25] <pleia2> also be sure to add your name to the credits at the bottom of the document :)
[20:26] <Bashing-om> pleia2: :) Was but a rough draft 1st time thing .. will go back and polish :))
[20:27] <pleia2> in general it was a good first pass, thanks for your work :)
[21:08] <Bashing-om> pleia2: What is the rational in credits for our real name ? After all we are better known ,generally, by our nicks ?
[21:09] <pleia2> you can use whatever name you're most comfortable with being known in public as
[21:09] <pleia2> I just said "name" there to clarify that it's a list that will land in print, not something like a launchpad ID
[21:09] <pleia2> "print" :)
[21:10] <pleia2> but it doesn't have to be your legal name
[21:11] <Bashing-om> pleia2: I just note that the former publishers used their names :) only a convention ?
[21:12] <pleia2> I think most of the past editors have simply come from parts of the community where our legal names are how people know us :)
[21:12] <tsimonq2> (Simon isn't my legal name. :) )
[21:12] <pleia2> I understand the forums are a bit different
[21:20] <Bashing-om> pleia2: Be acceptable to me for no credit .. as my function is to serve . But if credit is due will be to Bashing-om as I am active by that moniker on several fronts .
[21:21] <pleia2> using your nickname is perfectly fine :)
[21:25] <Bashing-om> pleia2: K. .. have made the suggested changes - inward to see what I can find to flesh out the remaining content .
[21:26] <Bashing-om> onward*
[21:34] <Bashing-om> Pretty neat - https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ut-tweak-tool-109 . Do we want to make a new catagory ?
[21:35] <pleia2> that kind of article goes into "Other Community News"
[21:37] <Bashing-om> pleia2: Sounds good :)
[21:51] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I have been tweeting about them since the took over the ubuntu touch project and unity 8, they are focusing on ubuntu touch mostly I think I have not seen much about unity 8 on computers but it fits nicely
[21:56] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I never did get the script to complete successfully, I am doing something wrong
[21:59] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: What am I doing un-right in gdoc "Other Community News" un that my addition is being highlighted ?
[22:00] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Being a chore to make up the UT summary .. working on it !
[22:15] <Wild_Man> I am not sure Bashing-om I only briefly used gdoc and it has been years, I imagine though you have chosen highlighting in a setting
[22:16] <pleia2> just highlight it, right click and select "Clear formatting" when that happens
[22:16] <pleia2> sometimes formatting gets stuck somewhere in the doc, Google Docs is trying to be helpful by remembering it ;)
[22:20] <Bashing-om> pleia2: Workie ^^ Glad was not an error on my part :)
[22:20] <Wild_Man> pleia2, what is considered the right amount of content and how do we know if there is to much?
[22:21] <Wild_Man> the wiki system is a little glitchy as you will find out basq
[22:21] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om,
[22:21] <pleia2> Wild_Man: the real limit you have is how many people are willing to write summaries
[22:21] <pleia2> I've never seen an instance where I felt there were too many articles about Ubuntu (we don't publish general linux or open source stuff, that WOULD be too much, and there are plenty of other publications out there that do that)
[22:22] <Wild_Man> pleia2, okay I have asked a coouple of more people if they would consider helping, waiting to hear back from them
[22:22] <pleia2> :)
[22:23] <Wild_Man> it is okay to publish news about all the official ubuntu flavors?
[22:23] <pleia2> yeah, those are on topic
[22:23] <pleia2> derivatives like Mint aren't
[22:24] <Wild_Man> that is easy for me then, same as on the forum, we allow all posts but we move them to there own section
[22:24] <Wild_Man> here we just do not write about them at all
[22:38] <Wild_Man> pleia2, does the script retrieve the ask ubuntu stats as I think it does?
[22:40] <pleia2> Wild_Man: there are scripts for askubuntu and security-and-updates, but the publish script doesn't run those since they need to be added to the wiki page before publishing starts
[22:43] <Wild_Man> pleia2, okay I thought the ask ubuntu script was separate, I wonder if a script can be made to retrieve the most asks and answered questions from the forum? I know it would probably be hard to do the way the forum is made
[22:44] <pleia2> I think that would be a great addition if it were possible, but I've never seen such a thing, it would need an API endpoint or something to query
[22:47] <Wild_Man> after we get things going I hope we can implement a script that will do it, I am thinking have it take the most asked and answered questions from the busiest sub-forums and not the whole forum necessarily maybe that will make it easier to do
[22:48]  * pleia2 nods
[22:56] <Wild_Man> I see the launchpad news I posted was moved, I was not sure about that but the wiki page said to put it in the Planet section new because the launchpad section is not included anymore, thanks for moving it
[22:57] <Wild_Man> new/now
[22:58] <pleia2> sorry, just tidying up :) it looks like there was a duplicate for that one
[22:59] <Wild_Man> I thought there might have been, but when I looked I did not see it
[23:00] <Wild_Man> it is okay to add the launchpad section back in for future reference?
[23:00] <pleia2> we removed it because the news was incredibly rare, and I think it still is
[23:01] <pleia2> section proliferation was a problem for a while :)
[23:02] <Wild_Man> I see
[23:02] <pleia2> so the criteria now tends to be we want at least 2-3 articles per week for a section to remain viable
[23:03] <Wild_Man> that works for me
[23:04] <Wild_Man> pleia2, is this how the templates will look before we start editing them https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[23:04] <pleia2> though I want to be clear, I haven't been very involved in some time, I'm offering insight from a historical perspective as to how/why we did things, the new team here can make decisions about things outside of what I think
[23:04] <pleia2> Wild_Man: yeah
[23:06] <Wild_Man> understood thanks