[00:07] <widp> my installation of git doesn't come with the user manual.
[00:07] <widp> how do I install this?
[00:07] <widp> I am on 16.04
[00:09] <leftyfb> widp: man git
[00:09] <widp> I did info git
[00:10] <widp> I saw a link to html manual pages and concepts at the end.
[00:10] <oerheks> man git, or https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/git.html
[00:10] <widp> I couldn't find those files on my system.
[00:10] <leftyfb> widp: man git
[00:11] <widp> even man git has the same links
[00:11] <widp> but not on my system
[00:12] <widp> at the end in the NOTES section, I see file:///user/share/doc/git/html/user-manual.html mentioned
[00:12] <widp> which also contains a section on git-concepts, but I don't see these on my system.
[00:12] <pragmaticenigma> widp, what are you trying to do with git that you need the manual for?
[00:13] <slidinghorn> widp: man git IS the manual
[00:13] <widp> pragmaticenigma: trying to understand git, what else?
[00:13] <nubcake> i'm trying to restore an image created by clonezilla to a harddisk. unfortunately clonezilla only shows the "saveparts/disks" options but no restore options. Any hint on what i'm doing wrong?
[00:13] <pragmaticenigma> widp, https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Getting-Started-Git-Basics
[00:13] <widp> slidinghorn: are you sure, the description says, "The user's manual has a more in depth introduction"
[00:14] <widp> pragmaticenigma: I am familiar with git.
[00:14] <widp> I know I could look up the documentation online too.
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> widp, This is a support channel for understanding Ubuntu... perhaps /join #git is a better place to find the information your seekeing
[00:16] <widp> I am just looking for a package which would install the complete git documentation on my system.
[00:16] <widp> for me to browse locally.
[00:16] <leftyfb> widp: sudo apt install git-doc
[00:17] <widp> awesome thank you leftyfb
[00:51] <Kumool> widp, and dont use info files
[00:51] <widp> why not?
[00:52] <Kumool> or the command
[00:52] <Kumool> its gnu centric
[00:52] <Kumool> nobody uses it
[00:52] <Kumool> and its stupid
[00:52] <widp> I feel info is more feature rich
[00:53] <Kumool> yeah, you know what's more feature rich and used by everyone? html
[00:54] <Kumool> mmm it seems i'm irritated today, apologies
[00:54] <widp> np
[00:55] <widp> I also use info expecting to find more in depth info, so there is that.
[00:56] <Kumool> there is, but as i said, its gnu centric, so it will fail most times
[00:58] <widp> I see.
[00:58] <Kumool> try w3m and google :)
[00:59] <hggdh> no it is not. And, at least for coreutils, info info has the full manual pages
[01:00] <Kumool> it is not?
[01:01] <hggdh> it is not stupid. It is the GNU (mind you, Linux is GNU) standard
[01:01] <widp> flame war incoming
[01:01] <Kumool> XD
[01:02] <Kumool> nah, I know a lost cause when I see it
[01:02] <hggdh> widp: no, no flame war
[01:29] <Wulf> Hello. Is this the right place to ask about netplan?
[01:29] <luke-jr> Is it a bug that Bionic Final Beta's vmbuilder cannot build a Bionic VM?
[01:31] <Wulf> never mind, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1739578 on my own
[01:32] <Wulf> luke-jr: what happens if you try?
[01:32] <pragmaticenigma> Wulf, in the future, please ask the question upfront instead of asking to ask a question
[01:33] <luke-jr> Wulf: VMBuilder.exception.VMBuilderUserError: Invalid suite: "bionic". Valid suites are: dapper gutsy hardy intrepid jaunty karmic lucid maverick natty oneiric precise quantal raring saucy trusty utopic vivid wily xenial
[01:33] <Wulf> pragmaticenigma: yeah, but I got rebuked enough for offtopic questions.
[01:34] <Wulf> luke-jr: looks like more are missing, y, z, a. :)
[01:34] <Wulf> luke-jr: I guess someone got lazy
[01:35] <luke-jr> probably, but I only really care about bionic tbh :p
[01:36] <luke-jr> (I highly doubt just appending it to the list will work either, since the Debian vmbuilder list includes stretch, but fails to build it due to vmbuilder setting locale in some totally non-standard and unsupported way)
[01:40] <chegney> which gcc should I be installing on 17?
[01:40] <chegney> 17.10
[01:40] <pragmaticenigma> chegney, you should use the default included in the packamage manager
[01:40] <chegney> is that like default-gcc or something?
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> !gcc
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> Checkmate, "sudo apt install gcc"
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> chegney, "sudo apt install gcc"
[01:42] <chegney> ah, thanks
[01:49] <Checkmate> pragmaticenigma lol
[02:29] <mikeneedshelp> When I tried to log in today, only the background of the unity environment shows up -- no panels. My mouse appears, and I can right-click and get a terminal, but that's it. I've looked through syslog and Xorg logs but nothing stands out. The error reporting thing popped up once (unfortunately, I've rebooted since then, and it doesn't always come up) complaining of an error like "no plugin specified at /some/gnome/setting/thin
[02:37] <mikeneedshelp> is /var/log/Xorg.0.log the right place to look for errors from unity or gnome or whatever provides the rest of the desktop environment that isn't appearing (e.g. panels)
[02:37] <icecold_> hi
[02:37] <icecold_> dead room
[02:38] <mikeneedshelp> I guess my best bet right now is to keep rebooting in the hopes that that error from gnome or compiz or whatever appears again so I'll have something to search for :\
[02:39] <icecold_> rebbot
[02:39] <icecold_> disable compiz
[02:39] <pr3p> hello
[02:40] <pr3p> good morning
[02:40] <mikeneedshelp> icecold_: good call, how does one disable compiz temporarily?
[02:40] <icecold_> hmm
[02:41] <icecold_> king sound like you cant even get into working desktop.
[02:42] <mikeneedshelp> Correct. I do have a terminal though. This is 16.04
[02:43] <icecold_> no idea
[02:43] <icecold_> i was think there might be way
[02:43] <mikeneedshelp> icecold_: So, for example, there is no drop-down menu where you can pick the desktop environment -- either it only appears if you have multiple installed, or 16.04 just doesn't include that
[02:43] <icecold_> via the terminal
[02:43] <icecold_> oh ok
[02:43] <icecold_> in the ling screen
[02:43] <Bashing-om> mikeneedshelp: Can you activate the guest account and there have full GUI funtionality ? Then we know it is a config issue in your user account .
[02:43] <icecold_> aww
[02:43] <icecold_> good idea
[02:44] <mikeneedshelp> Bashing-om: Yes, the guest account works.
[02:46] <mikeneedshelp> I don't think I have any configuration like .xsession or anything. I probably have tweaked some gconf settings though
[02:47] <icecold_> i over tweak compiz
[02:47] <icecold_> i suck at it.
[02:48] <mikeneedshelp> hm, I can run e.g. unity-control-center, it just lacks the window border (so I can't resize it, and there's no panel at the top for file/edit/minimize/etc)
[02:48] <Bashing-om> mikeneedshelp: I might suggest you try and revert unity back to defaults .
[02:48] <mikeneedshelp> ok but how
[02:50] <chegney> how do I remove a service and then install it again after making changes to the service file?
[02:50] <Bashing-om> mikeneedshelp: Gimme a bit .. kinda busy right now in another channel .
[02:50] <mikeneedshelp> np
[02:53] <xamithan> chegney: Just run a systemctl daemon-reload
[02:54] <chegney> java[6187]: Too small initial heap
[02:54] <chegney> what does that mean?
[02:55] <mikeneedshelp> java wants more memory, what a surprise
[02:57] <xamithan> raise your heap size
[02:58] <xamithan> There should be a -Xmx* option
[02:58] <xamithan> Oh sorry,  the initial flag is -Xms*
[03:00] <Bashing-om> mikeneedshelp: Try this : rm -rf ~/.gconf ~/.gconfd ~/.metacity ~/.compiz-1 ~/.config/compiz-1 ~/.config/dconf ~/.dmrc . Reboot to see the effect .
[03:05] <mikeneedshelp> Bashing-om: how bout I just move them out of the way ;) doing that now...
[03:07] <mikeneedshelp> Bashing-om: no effect
[03:07] <Bashing-om> mikeneedshelp: :) .. that is the "safer" thing to do .
[03:10] <Bashing-om> mikeneedshelp: Wow .. unexpected result . ' sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop ' .
[03:12] <EriC^^> mikeneedshelp: also try moving ~/.cache and possibly ~/.config
[03:14] <mikeneedshelp> Bashing-om: I already did that, to no avail. EriC^^: doing...
[03:14] <wh0ami_> hy
[03:14] <wh0ami_> hy
[03:14] <wh0ami_> hy
[03:14] <wh0ami_> hy
[03:14] <wh0ami_> hy
[03:16] <carlosmatrix> ola amigos
[03:16] <mikeneedshelp> EriC^^, Bashing-om: OK, moving .cache and .config out of the way gave me back my desktop environment. Now to figure out what exactly inside those was problematic...
[03:16] <mikeneedshelp> I will come back as ^Mike\b or something like that...
[03:17] <carlosmatrix> hello
[03:19] <carlosmatrix> _km
[03:38] <Wulf4> Was my question received? my router decided to reconnect at the same moment.
[03:41] <^Mike\b> ok, so I think I just undid all of that -- put .cache back, and .config (I did that piece by piece, logging out and back in each time to try to figure out which part was the problem, but now all of it is reinstated and unity is working fine)
[03:41] <^Mike\b> *except* my gnome-terminal preferences are toast, so I guess I have missed something. Anyone know where those are stored?
[03:42] <^Mike\b> aha, I messed up when restoring ~/.gconf, I bet that's where the terminal profile is
[03:47] <^Mike\b> weeeeird, my gnome-terminal profile is still the same uuid or whatever as before, but it doesn't have any of my customizations (e.g. the colour scheme)
[03:47]  * artik looks at watch
[03:47] <artik> its 2018--im getting scared for kin
[03:48]  * artik shivers
[03:48]  * artik shivers
[03:50] <luxio> A while ago here I was trying to make a desktop file for Android Studio and someone said something along the lines of "next time consider installing it with _____", but I forgot what that _____ was. anyone know what it could have been?
[03:58] <guiverc> luxio: did you try searching for it in the logs of the channel?
[04:29] <carlosmatrix> ola pessoal
[04:30] <slidinghorn> !pt | carlosmatrix
[04:30] <xamithan> Is that english?
[04:42] <eury__> i have trouble connecting to my backup drive connected to an asus router. i have samba installed, successfully connected both of my computer and phones by samba.
[04:44] <eury__> samba can't open the backup drive, provided the password for my account and tried supplying the password for the router but no joy :(
[04:48] <xamithan> eury__: Any error messages ?
[04:49] <eury__> nothing. when i open the directory in nautilus it's just keep asking for the username and password repeatedly.
[04:50] <xamithan> In that case I would check the logs on the server,  if you can even find logs on an asus router
[04:50] <sammmmmmmm> ok so I'm trying to get this installed. what device/partition should I put the boot loader on?
[04:50] <sammmmmmmm> so I need to make a seperate partition or should I do the same one as my "/" (root folder) partition?
[04:52] <xamithan> For just installing ubuntu?  if you are using UEFI you need a 500mb boot/EFI part
[04:52] <Bashing-om> !uefi | sammmmmmmm
[04:53] <xamithan> Well 100mb rather
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:37] <theparadoxer02> Recently i installed git on my new system, and getting this error "Cannot find gitstatus.sh! Cannot find gitstatus.sh!", any help ?
[05:42] <geirha> What do you run when you get that error?
[05:49] <impiza> hi
[05:49] <impiza> i need a help
[05:49] <impiza> i have HP Z840 workstation
[05:49] <impiza> and when i try to install ubuntu using 16.04
[05:49] <impiza> i get this error
[05:49] <impiza> https://ibb.co/kzA2p7
[05:50] <impiza> efi: requested map not found.
[05:50] <impiza> efi: Failed to lookup EFI memory descriptor for 0x00000000cafca00
[05:50] <impiza> please help me to fix it
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> impiza: singleboot or dualboot?
[05:52] <impiza> workstation only came with dos
[05:52] <impiza> first time installation
[05:52] <impiza> using bootable pendrive during the instatallation
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> impiza: did you disable fastboot & secureboot?
[05:52] <impiza> installation **
[05:52] <impiza> yes
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> impiza: F12 to boot your usb?
[05:52] <impiza> i have tried three modes
[05:52] <impiza> its F9
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:52] <impiza> in HP its F9
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> impiza: at wich stage you get the error?
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> brb
[05:54] <impiza> me too brb my colleague installed it
[05:54] <impiza> let me ask him
[05:55] <impiza> ok he says when he select install ubuntu it shows this, even if he select live session it will stuck on this state
[05:56] <USERNAME00> :D
[05:57] <impiza> Whats so funny O_0
[05:57] <slidinghorn> USERNAME00: Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[05:58] <impiza> it comes immediately lotuspsychje
[05:58]  * USERNAME00 let me ponder that question
[05:58] <slidinghorn> USERNAME00: If not, then this isn't the place to be.
[06:01] <impiza> lotuspsychje, here is the spec https://pastebin.com/jUsBQavY
[06:03] <ZaZaQR> hello
[06:04] <linuxbox> there any linux hangouts where folks and just get to know other linux fans?
[06:04] <linuxbox> *can
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> impiza: hmm, if you sure you tested all uefi settings
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> linuxbox: ##linux
[06:05] <linuxbox> @lotuspsychje thankies
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> impiza: try ask EriC^^ he might know that uefi issue
[06:05] <ajkthx> hey guys, i'm having a problem with my wired network constantly disconnecting. i dont even know how to diagnose it as im not super versed in linux
[06:05] <EriC^^> hey impiza
[06:05] <slidinghorn> ajkthx: what flavor and version of *buntu are you using?
[06:05] <impiza> Hi EriC^^
[06:06] <ajkthx> i run samba and a node servver on it, and it will disconnect at least once every few minutes
[06:06] <impiza> may i pm you
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> ajkthx: chipset & ubuntu version?
[06:06] <ajkthx> its ubuntu 16.05.5 LTS
[06:06] <ajkthx> its a dell e5440 laptop
[06:07] <impiza> what 16.04.04 or 16.05.05 ajkthx ?
[06:07] <ajkthx> the wireless goes out at the same time too when that's enabled, but i have it disabled
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> ajkthx: sudo lshw -C network for your card+ driver
[06:07] <ajkthx> it says "Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS"
[06:07] <slidinghorn> ajkthx: ^^  (post that to a pastebin please if you are going to post the full output)
[06:07] <impiza> ajkthx, use this url https://pastebin.com/j
[06:08] <impiza> sorry
[06:08] <impiza> https://pastebin.com/
[06:08] <ajkthx> ok one min
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: <impiza> efi: Failed to lookup EFI memory descriptor for 0x00000000cafca00
[06:08] <ajkthx> trying to do this from ssh and it's already disconnected twice in a minute
[06:08] <ajkthx> so thats fun
[06:09] <EriC^^> impiza: which ubuntu version are you trying to install?
[06:09] <impiza> EriC^^, here is the error, and here is the spec https://pastebin.com/jUsBQavY
[06:09] <impiza> 16.04
[06:09] <EriC^^> which iso ? 16.04.4?
[06:09] <ajkthx> heres the pastebin: https://pastebin.com/LPkHWgqX
[06:09] <impiza> 16.04.01
[06:10] <EriC^^> impiza: give 16.04.4 a shot
[06:10] <impiza> hmm
[06:10] <EriC^^> newer kernel might help
[06:10] <impiza> the location is very far away, let me try next week
[06:11] <ajkthx> https://pastebin.com/LPkHWgqX for my network adapter
[06:11] <impiza> if it will not workout will come here again and disturb you :D
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> impiza: yeah always grab latest ubuntu iso's
[06:12] <impiza> k thanks bye tc
[06:12] <EriC^^> impiza: you could try adding 'add_efi_memmap' to the kernel line parameters, or maybe tinker with the bios, or give it an update
[06:13] <EriC^^> if all else fails you could use csm legacy to get ubuntu to install
[06:13] <impiza> well i didnt know anything about it i meen ""add_efi_memmap
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> ajkthx: you could try a switch off ipv6 in network settings, see if this helps?
[06:16] <EriC^^> it might work, for some people using a newer kernel has worked apparently
[06:17] <ajkthx> is there no way to check the logs and see what is goingg on with my network?
[06:17] <ajkthx> this issue is hhorribly obnoxious
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> ajkthx: sure, while you debugging: tail -f /var/log/syslog and see errors
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> ajkthx: if you enable/disable network you will see all kinds of text
[06:20] <ajkthx> theres a bunch of stuff from "avahi-daemon"
[06:21] <ajkthx> here's the output https://pastebin.com/wB2aiWdC
[06:24] <ajkthx> guess i need a new OS
[06:24] <brewin> Hi
[06:24] <brewin> someone can receive my message?
[06:24] <slidinghorn> ajkthx: be patient - answers don't always come immediately
[06:24] <korean-walmart> test
[06:24] <slidinghorn> brewin: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[06:25] <eury__> my external drive is connected to an asus router, im having a difficult time trying to access that drive using ubuntu.  my iphone is connected easily. samba is already installed.
[06:25] <brewin> test
[06:25] <slidinghorn> brewin: take it to #test or something please.  This is for ubuntu support questions only.
[06:25] <eury__> i can ur msg.
[06:25] <hateball> eury__: how are you trying to mount it? mount.cifs for instance defaults to smb v1.0 which is deprecated on most things after wannacry
[06:26] <brewin> which country do you from?
[06:27] <eury__> @hateball im trying to connect using nautiflus, the drive is detected but i cant open it, keeps asking for the username and password which i provided but it keeps asking in a loop.
[06:29] <hateball> eury__: sadly I do not use gnome/nautilus so I don't know its specifics
[06:30] <eury__> @hateball i wannacry now -_-
[06:30] <EriC^^> impiza: it seems solved here, didn't read it all tbh, https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-System-and-Recovery/Z-Book-G3-Failure-to-Install-linux-Fedora-or-Ubuntu/td-p/5787299
[06:31] <slidinghorn> eury__: sounds like this one: https://askubuntu.com/questions/758860/samba-share-user-password-error-after-update/763436
[06:31] <hateball> eury__: this in particular https://askubuntu.com/a/759494
[06:33] <eury__> @slidinghorn & @hateball thank u guys. i just don't get why it's hard to do this, when my phone does it in breeze.
[06:33] <brewin> 0.0
[06:42] <xgpt> hey everyone
[06:42] <xgpt> I need help! I have a usb device (xbox 360 controller) that i need a driver to pick up, problem, it's off-brand and the identifiers aren't picking it up as what it is, so the xpad driver isn't kicking in and giving it a /dev/input/js0 /js1 designation
[06:42] <xgpt> how do I manually say "any usb device with this identifier is meant to be used with THIS driver, linux, please start THIS DRIVER to run THIS USB DEVICE"
[06:42] <slidinghorn> xgpt: what version of ubuntu are you using, and what is the make/model of the controller
[06:43] <xgpt> slidinghorn: I'm not sure, it's an older one, but it's a powerA xbox 360 controller
[06:43] <xgpt> one moment
[06:43] <xgpt> I'll get you what lsusb shows
[06:43] <xgpt> Bus 006 Device 009: ID 24c6:530a
[06:43] <slidinghorn> xgpt: ubuntu version?
[06:44] <xgpt> slidinghorn: it's a retropie distribution
[06:44] <xgpt> any tips on getting the mounting software configured right?
[06:45] <ducasse> xgpt: that's not supported here, try #retropie
[06:47] <xgpt> umm...wow, thanks for the help?
[06:49] <ducasse> xgpt: you can also try ##linux, that isn't limited to a single distro
[06:52] <xgpt> well, actually, here's my thing, I'm running ubuntu right now
[06:53] <xgpt> and it works just fine on my *buntu box, straight *buntu install. but it's not recognizing this off brand controller. It works fine with a different less-off-brand controller...on the retropie installation
[06:53] <xgpt> but hwo do I find the udev rule that is mounting this thing appropriately on my *buntu box?
[06:54] <xgpt> I'd like to copy that over to the retropie build I've got. That's a *buntu related support issue. How do I find the udev rule that is mounting and running the xpad driver on this piece of hardware? It's doing it automatically, I'd like to see it
[06:54] <xgpt> sorry, that's what brought me in here initially
[06:54] <slidinghorn> xgpt: there's no way for us to know how your retropie is configured, and it's not simply a matter of copying and pasting a setting across distributions.
[06:55] <xgpt> slidinghorn: that's fine, but how do I figure out how *buntu is FINDING the controller?
[06:56] <xgpt> like...how do I write a rule so udev initializes a driver? because right now my issue isn't that the driver I have isn't working, but it's that the distro isn't recognizing it
[06:56] <slidinghorn> xgpt: watch dmesg as you plug and unplug it maybe
[06:57] <xgpt> where is dmesg?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | xgpt
[06:58] <xgpt> root@sl410:/var/log# watch -n 50 tail dmesg ??
[06:58] <ducasse> xgpt: 'dmesg -w'
[06:58] <xgpt> is it in /var/log?
[06:59] <xgpt> [12639.144093] usb 6-2: new full-speed USB device number 11 using uhci_hcd
[06:59] <xgpt> [12639.343124] usb 6-2: New USB device found, idVendor=24c6, idProduct=530a
[06:59] <xgpt> [12639.343133] usb 6-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[06:59] <xgpt> [12639.343140] usb 6-2: Product: Xbox 360 Pro Ex
[06:59] <xgpt> [12639.343145] usb 6-2: Manufacturer: BDA
[06:59] <xgpt> [12639.343150] usb 6-2: SerialNumber: 00000B26
[06:59] <ducasse> !paste | xgpt
[07:00] <xgpt> ?
[07:00] <xgpt> sorry about that
[07:01] <slidinghorn> xgpt: your best bet is to take that informtion from dmesg along with the other details of your issue to #retropi or ##linux
[07:02] <slidinghorn> s/#retropi/#retropie
[07:03] <xgpt> thanks slidinghorn
[08:18] <interrobangd> hello if have deinstalled/removed the latest/installed kernel version
[08:19] <interrobangd> how to install it again? apt dist upgrade dont do it
[08:19] <EriC^^> interrobangd: which ubuntu version?
[08:19] <interrobangd> 17.10
[08:20] <interrobangd> i guess its 4.13.0-38
[08:20] <EriC^^> interrobangd: sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[08:20] <interrobangd> i will try it
[08:21] <EriC^^> interrobangd: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux{,-image,-headers}-generic
[08:21] <interrobangd> :-)
[08:21] <interrobangd> now they want to install 4.13.0-38, fine!
[08:22] <interrobangd> hopfully it will booot correctly
[08:26] <interrobangd> EriC^^, works, thank you!
[08:26] <EriC^^> interrobangd: great! no problem
[08:27] <interrobangd> because i had a problem an already did a sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.13.0-38-generic
[08:27] <interrobangd> but dont work!
[08:37] <V7> Hey all
[08:39] <V7> Does dolphin has an option to remove credentials from previously connected remote device ?
[08:40] <slidinghorn> V7: through which protocol are we talking here?
[08:41] <V7> slidinghorn: sftp
[08:42] <V7> It keeps listing a remote path without credentials prompt
[08:42] <V7> Even if I've reopened Dolphin
[08:44] <ducasse> maybe they're stored in the keyring/wallet?
[08:47] <hateball> V7: iirc that is indeed stored in kwallet
[08:47] <hateball> you can open the kwallet manager and search
[08:48] <V7> KWalletManager has 3 applications connected:
[08:48] <V7> kwalletmanager5
[08:48] <V7> kded5
[08:48] <V7> Google Chrome
[08:48] <linuxbox1> just installed 18.04 and got the nvidia driver installed, however while it shows me as using the nvidia driver my resolution is really small and only one of my two displays is working
[08:49] <hateball> linuxbox1: go into nvidia-settings and configure
[08:49] <V7> hateball: Also, the password hadn't be saved
[08:49] <V7> Just connected without marking "Save password" checkbox
[08:49] <V7> So, it just saved somewhere in cache or something like that
[08:50] <linuxbox1> hateball: yeah i see that nvidia settings, but no place to change the resolution there
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> linuxbox1: #ubuntu+1 for 18.04
[08:50] <hateball> V7: could try moving/clearing ~/.config/dolphin I guess
[08:50] <linuxbox1> nothing under profiles or configuration, just a bunch of random crap
[08:50] <hateball> V7: ack no
[08:50] <V7> hateball: There's no such folder
[08:50] <hateball> V7: ~/.cache/dolphin
[08:51] <V7> No such folder
[08:51] <hateball> that's... you should have a .cache folder
[08:51] <linuxbox1> when i go to the normal display settings i only see one resolution option, on nvidia settings I only see application profiles and configuration on the left, but no place to change the resolution
[08:51] <V7> ~/.cache exists, ~/.cache/dolphin doesn't
[08:52] <hateball> odd
[08:52] <linuxbox1> or to even manage displays for that matter
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> linuxbox1: #ubuntu+1 for bionic support please
[08:52] <linuxbox1> it did mention if i'm going to use proprietary drivers that i couldn't use uefi and that it would help me with that…but i'll be damned i don't see how it helped in any way heh
[08:53] <hateball> You can use UEFI just fine, but you need to disable module verification in the bootloader shim
[08:53] <hateball> Which the package is supposed to do for you
[08:54] <hateball> linuxbox1: also if it's hybrid gpu, make sure nvidia-prime is installed and that you've actually selected the nvidia card and not the intel one
[08:54] <linuxbox1> hmm i dunno, it's the only reason i can think of that … - well maybe i should say that i used sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[08:54] <linuxbox1> not sure if that makes a difference
[08:55] <hateball> That's the correct way
[08:55] <hateball> Well, if not using the GUI
[08:55] <linuxbox1> well damn…how do i disabled the module verification or check that it was done?
[08:56] <linuxbox1> hate when i typo, it make it look like english is my 5th language and it's my first heh
[08:58] <linuxbox1> it says nvidia-settings could not find the registry key file
[09:00] <linuxbox1> any ideas hateball?
[09:01] <hateball> linuxbox1: you mean in the terminal? dont worry about that
[09:01] <hateball> linuxbox1: what chipset was this, was it a hybrid gpu with both intel and nvidia?
[09:01] <hateball> or just a pure nvidia?
[09:02] <linuxbox1> hateball: yeh just something random i seen so figured i'd mention it  - naw 1080ti hybrid just a fancy way of saying it's watercooled
[09:02] <linuxbox1> and air cooled
[09:03] <linuxbox1> i'm just thinking either it's uefi related or some how  this 390 driver isn't quite being used
[09:03] <linuxbox1> software & updates confirms it's in use, but …
[09:04] <linuxbox1> can't beleive it's 2018 and ya still have to deal with this lame shiet
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> !language | linuxbox1
[09:04] <linuxbox1> this was why i never made linux my primary back in the early days
[09:04] <hateball> linuxbox1: Well you have nvidia to thank for that. What module is used according to: lspci -k |grep -A 3 VGA
[09:05] <V7> hateball: ps tells: sftp.so [kdeinit5] sftp local:/run/user/1000/klauncherDkFaXr.1.slave-socket
[09:05] <V7> So, it shows that it creates some sockets, but after them being removed nothing changes, it stays connected
[09:06] <linuxbox1> says vga compatible controller nvidia corp gp102  and then my card name in brackets
[09:07] <linuxbox1> below that module nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia audo blah blah
[09:07] <hateball> linuxbox1: yeah that means the modules are loaded properly
[09:08] <hateball> linuxbox1: what, nouveau
[09:08] <hateball> that shouldnt be loaded, hmmm
[09:09] <hateball> linuxbox1: so just to make sure Secure Boot isnt breaking things, run this: sudo mokutil --disable-validation
[09:12] <linuxbox1> failed to request new moksb state
[09:12] <linuxbox1> i'm done heh…it's 2am..i guess it's back to blue screens for me
[09:17] <gilbert> hola
[09:21] <blip99> hi all, i upgraded xubuntu 16.04 to 17.10 (it was just 1 direct upgrade) - after reboot I can't seem to login.  The login manager shows a black screen then returns to login.  trying to go into tty1 or others just shows a blinking cursor, no possibility for text login
[09:22] <hateball> blip99: 16.04 to 17.10 is not a supported upgrade path
[09:23] <blip99> hateball, hmm i thought if the gui allowed it then it was fine :/
[09:23] <TJ-> hateball: d-r-u supports that release-upgrade path now
[09:24] <blip99> and an article I read (not official) said Update: Ubuntu 17.04 reached end-of-life on January 13, 2018. Ubuntu 16.04 users can now upgrade directly to Ubuntu 17.10.
[09:24] <blip99> my bad then
[09:24] <blip99> guess i should boot in recovery mode as a first step?
[09:24] <tomreyn> blip99: i think you did it right
[09:24] <TJ-> blip99: can you SSH into it from another PC?
[09:24] <TJ-> blip99: alternatively, start it in Recovery mode from the GRUB boot menu?
[09:24] <blip99> TJ-, ok i'll do the latter now
[09:25] <TJ-> blip99: remote SSH is better since we can investigate it whilst it's broken
[09:27] <blip99> TJ-, don't have sshd enabled i think, I'm in root shell
[09:29] <hateball> TJ-: ah, didnt know
[09:29] <TJ-> blip99: Is there network connectivity?
[09:30] <TJ-> blip99: being able to pastebin logs would handy at this point
[09:30] <blip99> TJ-, hmm i enabled networking but it doesnt seem enabled.  ok ill reboot
[09:31] <TJ-> blip99: hang on!!!
[09:32] <blip99> TJ-, it says network is unreachable whilst trying to enable
[09:32] <TJ-> blip99: go into the GRUB boot menu, highlight the Ubuntu entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line starting 2linux ..." and towards the end add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" to the options, then press Ctrl+X (or F10) to boot - that'll boot to console not to GUI
[09:32] <blip99> ok thanks. 1 min
[09:35] <blip99> TJ-, forever blinking cursor
[09:36] <TJ-> blip99: ok, try the same again but when editing the kernel command line also add "nomodeset"
[09:40] <TJ-> oh, annoying bug in multicast-DNS avahi - after suspend/resume daemon advertises a different hostname! That explains why my systems keep failing to talk to each other!
[09:42] <slavanap> Hi! How do I install latest 2.9 Qemu in Ubuntu trusty?
[09:42] <slavanap> Is there any official ppa?
[09:46] <TJ-> slavanap: by definition PPAs are not 'official' (if by 'official' you mean endorsed/supported by Ubuntu)
[09:46] <blip99> TJ-, it logged me in text mode.  But there's a billion debugging output every second so it's not usable.  Keeps printing: "ata3 irq_stat 0x0000000040, connection status changed.  SERROR: {DevExch}"
[09:47] <slavanap> TJ-, Okay. *grabbing my Travis hammer in order to build*
[09:48] <TJ-> blip99: "ata3" is a disk interface
[09:48] <TJ-> blip99: what SATA/PATA devices are connected?
[09:50] <TJ-> blip99: this looks like a possible kernel regression, so lets try to get it under control. Reboot again! go into the GRUB menu, choose the "Advanced" sub-menu and find the oldest kernel version (some/one kernel(s) from 16.04 should have been kept), highlight it's entry, press 'e' ... you know the rest of the drill! If you can get to a stable TTY console from that you can work upwards to getting GUI sorted
[09:51] <TJ-> out.
[09:51] <blip99> TJ-, i don't have anything different plugged in hardware wise that wasn't over the past few months.  ok I'll try it out and get back to you in 2 hours or so, gonna run for an appointment.  thanks a lot
[09:57] <debron> hello
[09:57] <debron> My ubuntu thinks that my screen its 19"... thats why i cant set 1080p resolution
[09:57] <debron> because i cant see margins
[09:57] <debron> sorry. start again
[09:58] <debron> my ubuntu thinks my screen is 32"
[09:58] <debron> and its 19"
[09:58] <debron> how could I correct that?
[09:58] <TJ-> debron: Ubuntu doesn't think it; it gets told the dimensions by the screen via EDID
[09:59] <debron> is any way to force change that?
[09:59] <TJ-> debron: see "xrandr -q" for the info the monitor has provided
[09:59] <debron> by some file editing?=
[09:59] <debron> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1360 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192
[09:59] <TJ-> debron: the physical dimensions shouldn't affect margins though, that sounds like a TV doing overscan.
[09:59] <debron> xd
[10:00] <debron> its a TV yeah
[10:00] <debron> but when I set 1080p , finally everything looks good
[10:00] <debron> with all other resolution, red color looks blurry
[10:00] <debron> cant almost read red text
[10:00] <TJ-> debron: for xrandr you need to look at the output line, e.g. here I have "eDP-1 connected 2560x1440+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 277mm x 155mm"
[10:01] <TJ-> notice it says 277mm z 155mm
[10:01] <TJ-> debron: show us "pastebinit <( xrandr -q )"
[10:01] <debron> ok
[10:02] <debron> https://pastebin.com/zLDKYs3Z
[10:02] <debron> there
[10:03] <debron> and in gui, Displays menu, i see the monitor Im suppose to have, a 32" TV, when its a 19
[10:05] <slavanap> TJ-, I forgot to thank you for your quick answer. With hope Qemu will get upgraded to 2.7.0 at least because of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/955379
[10:06] <TJ-> debron: well the TV is lying then, because:  "  echo "scale=3; sqrt (708^2 + 398^2)/25.4" | bc " ==> 31.976
[10:06] <BluesKaj> Hi Folks
[10:06] <TJ-> debron: that will affect the Dots Per Inch scaling for the GUI. In the GUI Appearance settings there should be an option to change the DPI
[10:07] <TJ-> slavanap: which ubuntu release are you using?
[10:07] <debron> in my tv?
[10:08] <debron> you mean change dpi in the tv?
[10:08] <slavanap> TJ-, trusty & xenial. Both has qemu 2.5.x
[10:08] <debron> the TV menu doesnt have almost any options, already looked at manual
[10:08] <debron> there should be a better menu, but only in hd mode, not in pc mode..
[10:10] <slavanap> TJ-, nvm, I'm already building. I'll push Travis yml to github.com/slavanap with releases section, when I'll test building scenario.
[10:12] <TJ-> slavanap: ha, versioning of qemu caught me out! So 17.10+ have gone beyond qemu 2.7
[10:14] <slavanap> TJ-, glad to hear that bionic will have it updated. Hm... I'm actually able to add another source to apt/sources.list. What's the name in sources.list for 17.10+?
[10:14] <slavanap> artful I guess
[10:15] <Irritiable|LT> slavanap: I use Lubuntu (artful).
[10:15] <debron> TJ-: that doesnt fix it
[10:15] <debron> even with at 2 scaling settings, buttons seems giant, and still cant see margins
[10:16] <debron> you mean the "Scale for menu and title bars"?
[10:16] <TJ-> slavanap: I've added Ubuntu/qemu to the bug report and milestoned/nominated it for 16.04.5 later this year
[10:16] <TJ-> debron: It depends on the GUI, but there should be a single scaling DPI setting that usually defaults to 96 (DPI)
[10:17] <slavanap> TJ-, thank you!
[10:17] <debron> cant see that. I have unity in 16.04
[10:17] <TJ-> debron: I can't help you there, I don't go near Unity or Gnome
[10:17] <debron> what do you use? lxde?
[10:19] <slavanap> TJ-, sidenote, personally I use qemu-user-static and binfmt-support packages only.
[10:20] <TJ-> slavanap: me too, for running ARM on AMDtel
[10:20] <TJ-> debron: I use Xubuntu/XFCE
[10:20] <debron> I see
[10:20] <slavanap> well, it's might be enough for me now: echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:21] <TJ-> debron: I spend 95% of my time in terminals/consoles, so a fancy GUI gets in my way
[10:21] <TJ-> slavanap: be careful since that may allow in other packages you don't want from artful :)
[10:22] <debron> I had lxde in debian for long time, because was using a 95' PC. i bought this oine few days ago and switched distro, wanted something new :)
[10:22] <slavanap> TJ-, lol. It doesn't work :D
[10:22] <Hanumaan> I have following table with mmls: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jDhZq4NJrZ/ how to mount those paritions?
[10:22] <debron> but i didnt bought a new moonitor, using this tv i had around..
[10:23] <slavanap> TJ-, don't try at home https://hastebin.com/usoqakuqur.scala
[10:23] <TJ-> slavanap: I did used to switch between Lubuntu/Xubuntu but Lubuntu had gaps that caught me out at unexpected moments :)
[10:23] <TJ-> slavanap: that gives me a black page! hastebin needs to learn to host all it's own resources, not require googlapis
[10:24] <slavanap> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4rhfSfVF3n/
[10:25] <debron> TJ-: actually I see DPI in unity is this Scaling factor i told you about. What happend if that isnt helping?
[10:25] <debron> Still cant see screen margins on hd resolution
[10:25] <TJ-> debron: we've seen your issue a lot recently, and the solution is to adjust the TV settings to stop it doing overscan. The problem is, in most cases, the TV won't stop doing it because it is designed to expect analogue inputs. When it has a pure digital input like HDMI it still applies overscan to it
[10:26] <debron> Ah
[10:26] <TJ-> debron: I don't know, as I said, I don't touch unity. You need to talk to someone who knows it
[10:26] <debron> Ill try to deal with the TV then
[10:27] <debron> thanks, at least now I know what do i need exactly
[10:27] <debron> try that the TV to stop overscan
[10:29] <eury_> ?
[10:29] <TJ-> slavanap: looks like the Recommends are being pulled in. Does "apt install --no-install-recomends qemu-user-static binfmt-support" do any better?
[10:30] <slavanap> testing..
[10:30] <eury_> Hey guys! I have a huawei wireless router modem, i connect thru it via cable and wireless. i was wondering if i could use the usb port to attached my external drive.
[10:31] <JimBuntu> eury_, Does the wireless router/modem have a HOST USB port or only a client port?
[10:31] <JimBuntu> eury_, better yet, post exactly what model it is please
[10:32] <eury_> @JimBuntu it has a wan port
[10:32] <eury_> okay wait.
[10:32] <BluesKaj> eury_, look in your router firmware, usually accessible typing 192.168.0.1 in your browser address bar
[10:32] <eury_> @JimBuntu its a Huawei B315s-936 modem.
[10:33] <JFox762> I got a question. If I set a folder to "Hide", will it change the path? Or will applications not be affected by it?
[10:34] <purple1> can an entire 32bit chroot run on 64bit kernel, no problemo?
[10:34] <JimBuntu> eury_, Yes, the HOST USB port on the device you have is intended for you to connect external storage or a printer/etc
[10:34] <BluesKaj> JFox762, it won't change the path
[10:35] <JFox762> ok cool
[10:35] <purple1> waiting for funds on the scanner combo
[10:35] <JimBuntu> eury_, You can use up to USB 2.0, FAT32 up to 32GB. It will be available as a samba share
[10:35] <purple1> at this point possibly dropping books
[10:35] <JFox762> To hide a folder, you just rename it like this FileName to .FileName ?
[10:35] <eury_> okay @JimBuntu because i was wonderin before if it was meant to be plug with a usb internet dongle.
[10:36] <purple1> JimBuntu: can you setup a private repo for porting android apps
[10:36] <JimBuntu> eury_, the manual explicitly says that you can NOT use this port to connect the device to a computer (HOST)
[10:36] <slavanap> TJ-, same thing. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XVrQHbmTrd/
[10:36] <slavanap> going back to building
[10:36] <purple1> the prepper app can be the greatest server app for humankind
[10:36] <JimBuntu> purple1, you can set up a private repor for about whatever you want
[10:36] <TJ-> slavanap: I didn't think it'd make much difference; the problem is the dependency chain
[10:37] <purple1> if it were running on a server it can support family life and humanae vitae
[10:37] <eury_> Thank u JimBuntu i would love to know how to set this up for my external drive. as this modem doesn't come with manual of how to do that.
[10:37] <slavanap> TJ-, yeah I know. But because I just need I binary, I can setup CI around it easily.
[10:37] <BluesKaj> JFox762, oops, i assumed you wanted to hade folder in the places section
[10:37] <BluesKaj> hide
[10:38] <purple1> how about running an entire 32bit chroot on a 64bit kernel JimBuntu, no problem foreseen?
[10:39] <purple1> limited hardware requires unexpected setups
[10:39] <purple1> moving hard disks around
[10:39] <JFox762> I've chaned the filenames to hide them
[10:39] <JFox762> It worked, didnt seem to cause any issues
[10:39] <purple1> the 32 / 64bit gap creates all sorts of problems and wasted life
[10:40] <purple1> the best somebody made was system rescue cd and even it has problems
[10:41] <purple1> JimBuntu: what do you think boot a 64bit os and chroot into the old 32bit partition, doable?
[10:42] <JimBuntu> purple1, booting a 64bit chroot in a 32bit host environment, assuming a 64bit CPU/etc... hmmm. I'm not sure, the other way around shouldn't be any issue.
[10:42] <JimBuntu> well, not boot, but you know what I mean
[10:42] <TJ-> 64bit kernel + 64bit or 32bit OS + 32bit chroot == OK
[10:44] <purple1> 64bit kernel + 32bit chroot = what?
[10:44] <JimBuntu> purple1, sorry, I think I misread.
[10:45] <purple1> possibly binary swap error in your thought pattern
[10:45] <purple1> remove the certificates JimBuntu
[10:46] <JimBuntu> I initially mistook the "think boot" for "think about" and then went a whole other route says JimBuntu MSG: 43
[10:56] <lars_> greetings, I have this old western digital NAS server (some sort of debian on it) that I managed to brick.  So I took out the hard drive and currently I'm trying to access a password protected folder. I do know the password for it.
[10:57] <lars_> I just connected it to my ubuntu laptop with a sata to USB
[10:59] <lars_> I get an error message saying that I don't have access when I'm trying to cd into it or use file manager
[11:09] <Captain_Haddock> Is there any way I can get GPU processor usage while playing a game? My two cores are maxed out and I'm wondering if the GPU is taking on any load at all.
[11:09] <Captain_Haddock> This is with a GT 1030
[11:09] <mancman3> some parts of a game will use GPU whilst other part are CPU
[11:09] <mancman3> depends on the game
[11:11] <Captain_Haddock> mancman3: This is Hearthstone running under Wine.
[11:11] <Captain_Haddock> (via Lutris)
[11:11] <Captain_Haddock> It's ridiculously laggy/stuttery at times
[11:11] <mancman3> Well i would imagine Wine being cpu exhaustive
[11:14] <mancman3> The requirements say dual core and up. Have u tried playonlinux
[11:14] <Captain_Haddock> mancman3: Curiously, things were actually rather smooth in an earlier installation when I was relying on the onboard Intel GPU. Then the install stopped working after a Battle.Net update. A fresh install of Battle.net led to complications resulting in me adding in the Nvidia.
[11:14] <Captain_Haddock> mancman3: Yes, the previous install was Playonlinux.
[11:15] <Captain_Haddock> I'm using Lutris now as Playonlinux appears to be relatively unmaintained.
[11:15] <Captain_Haddock> Are you aware of any FPS counter programs out there?
[11:16] <mancman3> Captain_Haddock: no, i never use them
[11:16] <mancman3> I rarely game tbh, apart from a few web flash games lol these days
[11:17] <mancman3> Captain_Haddock: actually if u installed steam, that has it's own fps counter u can enable
[11:18] <mancman3> steam for linux
[11:18] <asy114> `åÁÐWkKÎåæ0ÉSØÿE
[11:22] <nk_> hi
[11:22] <Captain_Haddock> mancman3: Steam won't work with battle.net, right?
[11:22]  * Captain_Haddock hasn't seen anything similar in the battle.net settings.
[11:24] <geirha> have you tried fiddling with options in winecfg?
[11:26] <Captain_Haddock> geirha: Not really. I've installed the graphics driver PPA and upgraded to a newer nvidia driver.
[11:26]  * Captain_Haddock is using KDE and has disabled the compositor as well.
[11:27] <geirha> well, run   winecfg   and see if there's anything interesting in the graphics tab
[11:28] <Captain_Haddock> geirha: My bad. I have actually run winecfg via Lutris' "Wine configuration"
[11:28] <Captain_Haddock> I see nothing related to performance in the grpahics tab
[11:28] <Captain_Haddock> "Allow the window manager to control the windows"?
[11:29] <Captain_Haddock> Maybe I should turn this off?
[11:29] <mancman3> Captain_Haddock: oh no idea
[11:29] <Captain_Haddock> There is a "Staging" tab which has Enable CSMT for better graphics performance. Let me try that.
[11:30] <geirha> Captain_Haddock: https://www.maketecheasier.com/play-hearthstone-on-ubuntu-linux/
[11:31] <Captain_Haddock> geirha: Ooh. Check them all!
[11:31] <Captain_Haddock> Cheers
[11:43] <root____> JimBuntu: send a privmsg
[11:43] <root____> you need some support
[11:55] <debron> guys, i am still trying to fix my TV problem under ubuntu, I am using oibaf drivers, which work ok, my problem is that on HD resolution i loose part of the screen
[11:55] <debron> I found some bug mailing list where they explain a solution
[11:55] <debron> but im having problems understand it, because my lack of knowledge of this OS
[11:56] <debron> could someone help me a bit? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33285
[11:57] <debron> its supposed that changing the DPI would fix this, but it wont. Also, TV menu options wont help.
[11:57] <debron> so this solution seemss to be the right one, because is something you can change in the OS /sys/ files
[11:58] <debron> something is wrong on the TV edid information, because the driver treat the Display as it were 32" , when it is a 19"
[11:58] <brainwash> debron: and without the oibaf drivers?
[11:58] <debron> without that drivers, i can only use 1024x768 resolution
[11:58] <brainwash> debron: also, which ubuntu release is that?
[11:58] <debron> 16.04
[11:59] <brainwash> which intel gpu?
[11:59] <debron> UHD 630
[12:00] <brainwash> mmh. I would ask in #intel-gfx
[12:00] <debron> thanks you
[12:01] <mancman3> debron: change resolution on the tv ?
[12:03] <debron> mancman3: cant. I can switch display modes, but none seems to work. I found a semi-solution
[12:03] <debron> if i set the TV to PC mode instead of HD mode
[12:04] <debron> i can see the whole screen
[12:04] <debron> but quality is really bad
[12:04] <debron> and only works for 1280x720 resolution
[12:04] <debron> not for 1080p
[12:04] <debron> if i turn to HD mode, colors are fine, quality is way better
[12:04] <debron> but screen wont fit xD
[12:05] <mancman3> Are u using a tv card or just software in the PC ?
[12:05] <TJ-> debron: that's likely because the native resolution of the TV display is 1280x720
[12:06] <TJ-> debron: we've seen that recently - the TV advertises it can do resolutions higher than it's native resolution
[12:06] <TJ-> debron: 1280x720 counts as HD, whereas 1920x1080 is FHD (Full HD)
[12:07] <TJ-> debron: simple to check, read the TV's specfications in its manual
[12:07] <mancman3> yes 720p is HD ready
[12:08] <TJ-> debron: We dealt with a user recently with this same issue, but there the TV didn't have a 'PC mode' to prevent overscan, so you're ahead :)
[12:09] <debron> I only have that mode on the 720p resolution
[12:09] <TJ-> debron: sounds like the TV is a bit of a hack too - they're copied the EDID from a 32" TV and put it in your 19" and not amended the physical dimensions
[12:09] <debron> and image quality really sucks
[12:09] <debron> so much
[12:09] <debron> I mean, is wrong, if you cant read red text, something is not working properly
[12:09] <debron> and its not the TV, because in HD mode i can see everything fine
[12:09] <debron> TJ-: yeah look like it
[12:10] <TJ-> debron: unless you drive the TV at 1280x720 it'll use overscan from the sound of it
[12:10] <debron> TJ-: would be asking too much to you look the mailing list i pasted? Its just 1 reply to read
[12:10] <debron> and he explain what to do
[12:10] <debron> but i just cant get it
[12:10] <Int_> Hey guy
[12:10] <Int_> guys
[12:12] <debron> TJ-: I dont know. Why the PC mode blur the colors? And why HD mode doesnt blur anything, quality is fine, but screen wont fit? XD
[12:12] <debron> i think is more a driver issue
[12:12] <debron> adjust DPI should do fine, but it doesnt really...
[12:16] <TJ-> debron: OK, just read up on the EDID over-ride via the 'drm' kernel module
[12:17] <TJ-> debron: it's the TV, not the PC/OS. Connect a proper monitor it won't be a problem. The TV is feeding the digital signal through a D/A converter, doing overscan correction on it, then putting to back through a A/D converter, by the sound of it
[12:27] <urnigue> hello, can someone answer me a few question in regard to vpn client set up? I just want to ask something
[12:28] <albttx> urnigue ask here :)
[12:30] <lars_> I need to access a folder as su.  Is there a way to accomplish the same thing in de?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> debron some HDTVs have an advanced pictiure setting for overscan, but it's usually refered to as "picture size" and it'll be a sub menu of your regular picture settings
[12:30] <urnigue> albttx can i ask in pm
[12:31] <albttx> i don't know your answer... but maybe someone will :)
[12:31] <albttx> as root ?
[12:31] <debron> BluesKaj: there is nothing else the TV can do to help me
[12:32] <debron> i already searched all the menus
[12:32] <ducasse> !pm | urnigue
[12:32] <debron> including those hiden in certain resolution, and displayed in certain others
[12:32] <debron> like mode selection (pc or hd)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> debron, are you sure ...what model tv is it?
[12:33] <debron> yeah sure philips 19PFL5522D/12
[12:33] <debron> quite old
[12:33] <lars_> albttx yes, I need to access desktop enviroment as root in ubuntu.  Apparently sudo doesn't do what i need to do, so I need to sudo su, or sudo -i and then do what I need to do.  Would be nice to use the de though (and know how to do it for later)
[12:34] <debron> BluesKaj: ideally i want 1080p working in HD mode (because PC mode really suck, blur image) but if its not possible, then 720p HD mode (have screen margin problem, but quality is way better than PC mode)
[12:35] <BluesKaj> debron, have you seen this ? https://philips-tvconsumercare.kxondemand.com/Portal/en/Faq/All/2214
[12:35] <TJ-> debron: according to that model the native resolution is actually 1440x900
[12:36] <blueboy> what really sucks is fractional scaling being a headache for 3k/4k displays
[12:36] <debron> yeah, but if you look at all the specs, you see supported resolution for PC connections
[12:36] <debron> i would love to set 1440x900 , but its not in xrandr atm
[12:36] <debron> maybe i should add it
[12:37] <debron> what i dont understand is : why HD mode is great image quality, and why PC mode has to blur the image?
[12:37] <TJ-> debron: right, because the EDID seems to be hacked about and incorrect
[12:37] <debron> and why I can only choose that in 720p resolution?
[12:37] <debron> xD
[12:37] <JFox762> q
[12:37] <debron> i mean, mode selection only available when i set the 720p res
[12:38] <TJ-> debron: did you see in BluesKaj link, at the end, it suggests there might be a picture format option "[Unscaled] / [Original] "
[12:38] <debron> otherwise, that menu will be hiden in the TV menu
[12:38] <TJ-> debron: because 'HD mode' *is* 720p
[12:38] <debron> im trying, but firefox its not loading the site
[12:38] <debron> moment
[12:38] <debron> Yes!
[12:38] <debron> I do that everytime
[12:38] <debron> and it doesnt make difference
[12:39] <blip99> hi TJ- I'm in logged in console only with networking, under an old kernel from 16.04
[12:39] <debron> the best way for me is: • [Unscaled] / [Original]
[12:39] <debron> also i cant see all those modes shown in the website
[12:39] <TJ-> blip99: that's progress :)
[12:39] <blip99> what do you recommend I do next? (to resolve can't login issue after upgrade 16.04->17.10)
[12:40] <TJ-> debron: I'm not surprised, that answer looks like a generic one covering all models, not specific to the TV you have
[12:40] <blip99> you mentioned earlier it being a possible kernel regress issue
[12:40] <TJ-> blip99: first check the obvious ownership issues: "ls -l $HOME/.{X,ICE}authority"
[12:41] <TJ-> blip99: those files, if they exist, should be owned by your $USER
[12:42] <blip99> TJ-, yep, RW on owner.  user and group ownership is on $USER
[12:42] <blip99> TJ-, also this {X,ICE} syntax is awesome, never knew this bash syntax! :)
[12:43] <blip99> is it worth starting X or tty7 now?
[12:45] <urnigue> i got really extended question
[12:46] <urnigue> can i really post it here?
[12:46] <ivampiresp> have anyone online?
[12:47] <blip99> TJ-, I just started randomly getting that flood of ata3 connection status changed errors.  in case that matters
[12:48] <Frjd> Hi, I've been trying to install some custom themes on ubuntu 17.10 specifically Arc. The GTK3 part works, but the GTK2 part falls back to Raleigh for some reason.. Has anyone experienced this before?
[12:49] <Frjd> I should add that GTK2 themes of the built in themes work
[12:49] <ivampiresp> ubuntu16.04 is best to use themes
[12:51] <urnigue> I've tried to set up the pptp connection in ubuntu with the default settings, the connection works in windows 7 also in windows xp, it even works with ubuntu within same provider's network. I've tried to connect with two different computers on my home network (both pc are able to connect with vpn in windows 7) but with ubuntu i got error vpn connection failed because vpn stopped. I found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/197999/vpn
[12:52] <urnigue> I found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/197999/vpn-connection-failed-because-service-stopped-unexpectedly but that did not help me. When i tried pc within same provider's network is working with the default settings (so only the gateway, name and password are set), I've also checked router's setup and there is no problem, it is possible that my isp blocks the linux vpn, but not in windows?
[12:53] <iVampireSP> system problem?
[12:53] <debron> Guys, creating new modes in xrandr, seems to be created, but doesnt appear when i list modes xrandr -q, then if i try to create it again fails because it already exist with that name. I cannot switch to that new mode and i cant delete it because couldnt find mode with that name. Whats going on?
[12:54] <yeats> urnigue: nah, I doubt it's the ISP - do you have access to the server running the VPN connection?  Logs there may help see what's going on
[12:55] <EriC^^> debron: try adding it to a specific output maybe?
[12:56] <rendar> i'm running the ubuntu live cd on my machine, can i install an UEFI-signed grub from there?
[12:56] <ItsaLoonie> I'm not sure what the right channel would be to go to ask.. using a new vpn and went to dns leak test and found that its using a digital ocean server as one of its servers. does that take away much from the privacy/security of the vpn? just not sure how that means for my data.
[12:56] <slavanap> TJ-, it works. Still thinking about how to deploy it properly, because I don't want to get my github password exposed to Travis https://travis-ci.org/slavanap/qemu-arm-static
[12:56] <Frjd> Moving the theme folder from ~/.local/share/themes to ~/.themes solved the issue, maybe there's a problem with gtk2 themes and the new location?
[12:58] <urnigue> yeats no i do not have it
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> ItsaLoonie: perhaps more a question for ##networking
[12:58] <urnigue> i posted it on ubuntu forum also
[12:59] <ItsaLoonie> lotuspsychje: Thanks
[12:59] <debron> EriC^^: thanks
[12:59] <debron> but cant add it, since it doesnt find the mode by the name
[13:00] <debron> you mean, in the same line of mode creation?
[13:04] <urnigue> any advice?
[13:09] <urnigue> yeats any advice?
[13:11] <debron> guys, everytime I try add newmode to xrandr it set the mode for HDMI-2 , the one im using its HDMI-1
[13:11] <debron> i try to create the mode specifying --output HDMI-1 but it just ignore me and asign to HDMI-2 all the time
[13:12] <debron> any ideas of how could i add this mode to the 1st hdmi?
[13:14] <TJ-> debron: you do --newmode first then use --addmode to associate it with an output
[13:18] <blip99> TJ-, sorry to disturb, just wondering if you have any advice for me to proceed.  I'm trying to figure out this ata3 error, though probably thats caused by the upgrade somehow
[13:18] <debron> TJ-: solved
[13:19] <debron> even the native resolution on TV its 1440x900 , it doesnt accept it. "video not supported" at 60Hz i setted
[13:19] <debron> maybe its not accepted through HDMI, all 16:10 resolutions
[13:20] <TJ-> blip99: I'm on my way out, someone else should be able to help though
[13:20] <blip99> np. thanks TJ-
[13:20] <rendar> TJ-: hey man, i have now in an ubuntu live cd, can you give me some help to install a UEFI signed grub?
[13:20] <TJ-> rendar: I'm on my way out
[13:20] <rendar> oh, i see
[13:21] <rendar> see you later then
[13:22] <debron> TJ-: you think that connecting pc to hdmi2 of the tv would make any differencE? xDD its the only thing i havent tried
[13:23] <EriC^^> rendar: what are you trying to do? isn't the shimx64.efi working with your pc?
[13:23] <blip99> hi all, i upgraded xubuntu 16.04 to 17.10 (it was just 1 direct upgrade) - after reboot I can't seem to login.  The login manager shows a black screen then returns to login.  trying to go into tty1 or others just shows a blinking cursor, no possibility for text login
[13:24] <EriC^^> debron: does the laptop have a hdmi2?
[13:24] <hateball> blip99: what type of gpu/driver?
[13:24] <hateball> blip99: I am thinking if you had amd+fglrx, which is no longer a thing in 17.10
[13:24] <blip99> the only way i can get some kind of login is by using an old kernel from 16.04 and with kernel params nomodeset and systemd.unit=multi-user.target
[13:24] <blip99> hateball, nvidia
[13:24] <rendar> EriC^^: nope
[13:24] <rendar> EriC^^: when uefi is enabled it starts only windows
[13:25] <rendar> EriC^^: that's because debian installed non-uefi version of grub
[13:25] <blip99> hateball, im also getting a flood of "ata3: irq_stat 0x00000040, connection status changed.  ata3: SError; {DevExch" messages which i never saw before the upgrade, don't think i have a hardware problem
[13:25] <rendar> EriC^^: i'm trying to fix things with ubuntu live cd
[13:26] <EriC^^> rendar: aha, are you booted into it right now?
[13:27] <rendar> EriC^^: i'm on the ubuntu live cd, and i have mounted debian on /mnt/li
[13:28] <EriC^^> rendar: you mean you mounted ubuntu on /mnt/li right? ;)
[13:28] <rendar> EriC^^: if i run efibootmgr -v i can see 2 entries, one is windows, and second is the pioneer CD readere
[13:28] <rendar> EriC^^: nope, i'm running ubuntu from it's live cd
[13:28] <rendar> EriC^^: i have debian installed on my m.2 hard drive
[13:28] <EriC^^> rendar: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt/li$; done"
[13:28] <EriC^^> rendar: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt/li$i; done"
[13:29] <rendar> ok, wait
[13:29] <EriC^^> there's a typo in the first, use the 2nd one
[13:29] <rendar> ok
[13:30] <rendar> done
[13:30] <EriC^^> rendar: type "sudo chroot /mnt/li"
[13:30] <rendar> done
[13:30] <EriC^^> rendar: mount -a
[13:30] <rendar> ok
[13:30] <EriC^^> rendar: do you have an internet connection on the pc?
[13:30] <rendar> hmm
[13:31] <EriC^^> ping google.com works?
[13:31] <rendar> thank god yes
[13:31] <rendar> i have it
[13:31] <EriC^^> ok cool
[13:31] <rendar> ubuntu rocks!
[13:31] <debron> EriC^^: its a PC , let me check
[13:31] <debron> because the graphics are provided by my CPU i3 8100
[13:32] <EriC^^> rendar: type 'dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[13:32] <EriC^^> it should upload the output and give a link back to the paste
[13:33] <rendar> http://termbin.com/3pfw
[13:33] <EriC^^> debron: sometimes changing the Hz a little less helps, like 59hz vs 60hz dunno how applicable it is here but maybe worth a shot
[13:33] <EriC^^> rendar: indeed legacy grub is installed
[13:33] <rendar> ok
[13:33] <rendar> can the ubuntu live cd help me to install the newer one?
[13:33] <EriC^^> rendar: type 'grep efi /etc/fstab' any output?
[13:33] <EriC^^> rendar: sure
[13:34] <debron> EriC^^: there is not hdmi 2
[13:34] <rendar> no output there
[13:34] <EriC^^> rendar: ok, lastly type 'ls /sys/firmware/efi' anything?
[13:35] <debron> what would be the appropiate HZ of this ? 1920 x 1080i - 2Fh
[13:35] <rendar> yes
[13:35] <rendar> there are files
[13:35] <debron> 2 Fh?
[13:35] <EriC^^> rendar: great, that means you're booted in uefi mode in the live usb, so you can add uefi entries when installing grub now, perfect
[13:35] <rendar> EriC^^: exactly
[13:36] <EriC^^> rendar: first, you'll need to make an efi partition somehow, what's your partition table look like? "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:36] <rendar> i have the efi partition
[13:36] <rendar> it's FAT, 100Mb
[13:36] <StormWarrior> Hey.. I have set up my vnc using vncserver and everytime I log in using a vnc client, I get int root account. I have tried solutions I found on linuxquestions and unix stackexchange whereby you are required to switch user from first vnc connection and start vncserver as non root user. But I am still not able to get in as a non root user... Any ideas where I might me effin it up?
[13:36] <rendar> and there is windows efi stuff
[13:36] <rendar> i have mounted it
[13:36] <EriC^^> rendar: aha, mounted it where?
[13:36] <EriC^^> /mnt/li/boot/efi ?
[13:37] <rendar> not yet
[13:37] <EriC^^> hold on
[13:37] <rendar> not yet mounted, sorry
[13:37] <EriC^^> rendar: np, get the UUID of the filesystem from "blkid"
[13:37] <anonymip> How do you do to access folders you don't have permission to acces, I mean you cant use 'sudo cd /foldername'
[13:37] <StormWarrior> anyone?
[13:38] <rendar> 30F8-C19D
[13:38] <EriC^^> rendar: and add the line to /etc/fstab "UUID=30F8...  /boot/efi       vfat    defaults      0       1"
[13:38] <debron> EriC^^: what means 1920 x 1080i - 2Fh ? 2Fh?
[13:38] <EriC^^> debron: no idea, hmm
[13:39] <debron> its on my TV manual
[13:39] <debron> supported res
[13:39] <debron> dont know how to translate that to Hz
[13:39] <EriC^^> debron: after using --add-mode with --output what happened to xrandr -q results?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> StormWarrior: be carefull with vnc, as its a security risk
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | StormWarrior
[13:40] <rendar> EriC^^: done
[13:40] <EriC^^> rendar: after adding it try 'mount /boot/efi' and see if /boot/efi gets populated
[13:40] <rendar> EriC^^: but /boot doesn't have an efi directory, should i have to create it?
[13:40] <StormWarrior> lotuspsychje: so... any alternatives.. thanks for the guide
[13:40] <EriC^^> rendar: oh, yeah!
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> StormWarrior: openssh, remmina,teamviewer
[13:40] <rendar> it mounted it
[13:41] <rendar> i have /boot/efi/EFI/...etc now
[13:41] <StormWarrior> lotuspsychje: I am using remmina client over ssh
[13:41] <rendar> i have /boot/efi/EFI/{Boot, Microsoft, debian}/ ...
[13:41] <StormWarrior> lotuspsychje: but my issue is not that.. I am using vncserver over ssh and everytime I start the client, I am logged in as root
[13:41] <EriC^^> rendar: ok, now to remove grub-pc, apt-get purge 'grub*'
[13:41] <EriC^^> rendar: yup that looks good
[13:41] <StormWarrior> lotuspsychje: and I cant switch user graphically as logging out gives me a grey screen
[13:42] <rendar> EriC^^: hmm
[13:42] <rendar> EriC^^: it says that to remove grub i have to call autoremove, which in turn will remove like 250Mb of stuff
[13:42] <debron> EriC^^: already passed that problem
[13:42] <rendar> does it sound right?
[13:42] <debron> the mode i try to set is not supported for the TV
[13:42] <EriC^^> rendar: no, pretty odd
[13:42] <debron> even when its the native panel resolution
[13:42] <EriC^^> rendar: try just 'apt-get install grub-efi-amd64-signed'
[13:42] <EriC^^> rendar: it should remove grub-pc by itself as they conflict
[13:43] <rendar> ok
[13:43] <StormWarrior> Hey.. I have set up my vnc using vncserver and everytime I log in using a vnc client, I get int root account. I have tried solutions I found on linuxquestions and unix stackexchange whereby you are required to switch user from first vnc connection and start vncserver as non root user. But I am still not able to get in as a non root user... Any ideas where I might me effin it up? Sorry for repeating..
[13:43] <rendar> unable to locaate package
[13:43] <StormWarrior> this is NOT a flood
[13:43] <StormWarrior> rendar: do an apt-get update
[13:43] <EriC^^> rendar: try grub-efi-amd64
[13:44] <rendar> ok
[13:44] <rendar> it';s installing it
[13:44]  * Mr_Pan dorme
[13:44] <StormWarrior> anyone????????????
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> !patience | StormWarrior
[13:44] <Rumen> Hello there, I have Ubuntu 18.04 / 64. The issue: Missing icons in the status bar. Sometimes they appear, but in most of the times - no. Mega, Dropbox, Classic menu indicator, Weather etc ... Anybody have clue how to fix that?
[13:44] <EriC^^> rendar: ok, 'efibootmgr -v' should show an entry now, and EFI/*/grubx64.efi should be there
[13:44] <rendar> Found windows bvoo managet on /dev/nme0n1p2@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> StormWarrior: while you wait, try specific channels also like #openssh
[13:45] <rendar> uhm
[13:45] <StormWarrior> lotuspsychje: ah.. thanks
[13:45] <rendar> yes
[13:45] <EriC^^> rendar: aha cool
[13:45] <rendar> EriC^^: there is one!
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: join #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 support please
[13:45] <EriC^^> rendar: type 'exit' and try rebooting, it possibly might still boot windows, there's a fix for that though
[13:45] <rendar> EriC^^: hmm ok
[13:46] <EriC^^> (uefi can be tricky on some pc's)
[13:46] <EriC^^> also be sure to disable secureboot
[13:46] <rendar> yes
[13:48] <StormWarrior> !patience
[13:48] <StormWarrior> !help vnc
[13:48] <rendar> EriC^^: everything works fine! ubuntu is f. great
[13:49] <StormWarrior> rendar: ofc it is
[13:49] <rendar> EriC^^: the main problem of debian was that in their live CD there weren't tools
[13:49] <rendar> and they keep to install old stuff
[13:59] <berni> Heyyy
[13:59] <StormWarrior> Hey.. I have set up my vnc using vncserver and everytime I log in using a vnc client, I get int root account. I have tried solutions I found on linuxquestions and unix stackexchange whereby you are required to switch user from first vnc connection and start vncserver as non root user. But I am still not able to get in as a non root user... Any ideas where I might me effin it up?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> rendar, read "stable" :-)
[14:07] <adrian_1908> In 17.10, should I use /etc/network/interfaces or netplan?
[14:08] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: try x11vnc
[14:11] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: ok.. lemme try that
[14:12] <EriC^^> rendar: great, good to hear
[14:14] <adrian_1908> just read that netplan is intended to replace the former since 17.10, so i'll try my luck with it.
[14:14] <linux_user> anyone here familiar with apt-mirror? I am curious about some configuration issues
[14:15] <yeats> linux_user: it's been a while, but if you ask your question(s) here, I or someone else may know
[14:15] <linux_user> So, I have several repos configured and stuff downloads
[14:16] <linux_user> does "clean" in the mirror list delete those repos or does it clean the "skel" area (which is what I really want)?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> adrian_1908: there's a section about netplan here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[14:17] <adrian_1908> thanks!
[14:17] <yeats> that I don't know, unfortunately - it has been about 6 or so years since I touched it and don't remember needing to do that :-/
[14:18] <yeats> linux_user: this seems to indicate that it executes rm on the repo directories: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/137855
[14:20] <yeats> linux_user: looks like the directories it rm's is defined in the config with a line containing the string "clean"
[14:21] <yeats> maybe that will be enough to answer your question
[14:23] <linux_user> yeats: Yes, I know that, you missundestood my question
[14:23] <linux_user> does "clean" in the mirror list delete those repos or does it clean the "skel" area (which is what I really want)?
[14:24] <yeats> linux_user: you appear to be asking what directories "clean.sh" removes - is that right?
[14:25] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: x11vnc is not working either.. I cant get it to run
[14:25] <StormWarrior> Hey.. I have set up my vnc using vncserver and everytime I log in using a vnc client, I get int root account. I have tried solutions I found on linuxquestions and unix stackexchange whereby you are required to switch user from first vnc connection and start vncserver as non root user. But I am still not able to get in as a non root user... Any ideas where I might me effin it up?
[14:25] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: sudo x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[14:26] <leftyfb> !repeat | StormWarrior
[14:26] <StormWarrior> leftyfb:  x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0", it cannot continue.
[14:26] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: are you running a desktop on the machine?
[14:27] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: sounds like the answer is no
[14:27] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: vps
[14:27] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: no desktop
[14:27] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: then use ssh
[14:27] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: I am tunneling over ssh
[14:27] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: but I need the GUI
[14:27] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: for my application
[14:27] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: then you need to run a desktop
[14:28] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: I am running xfce
[14:28] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: I just wanna connect to a non root account from vncserver or tightvncserver
[14:28] <leftyfb> then run the xfce desktop
[14:29] <leftyfb> then use x11vnc to connect
[14:29] <leftyfb> if you do both of those properly, you will achieve your goal
[14:30] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: lemme try it again
[14:32] <james1138> Anyone here use Banshee Media player?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> !ask | james1138
[14:32] <leftyfb> james1138: you asked this yesterday and received an answer
[14:33] <james1138> Anyone know where the file in Banshee Media player is that stores the sources. Sorry all. I had to leave chat before seeing the answer.
[14:34] <StormWarrior> Ok.. x11vnc is giving me the same problem.. I am again logged in as root!
[14:34] <leftyfb> james1138: stores? Sources are what you point Banshee to. If you have stuff in ~/Music , and you point Banshee at it as a source, then that is the location
[14:34] <linux_user> yeats: there is a directory structure for "skel" (temporary files downloaded during an 'apt-mirror' run, and there is the 'mirror' directory, where downloaded mirrors go). Does "clean" clean the skel directory or the mirror directory?
[14:34] <james1138> ok
[14:34] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: Are you running the xfce desktop as root?
[14:34] <StormWarrior> leftyfb:
[14:34] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: yes
[14:35] <leftyfb> :/
[14:35] <StormWarrior> it gives me an error if I dont
[14:35] <StormWarrior> guh
[14:35] <StormWarrior> I knew this was the problem
[14:35] <StormWarrior> :/
[14:36] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: Fatal server error:
[14:36] <StormWarrior> (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
[14:36] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: how are you trying to start xfce?
[14:36] <StormWarrior> startxfce4
[14:36] <StormWarrior> do you want me to startx?
[14:37] <StormWarrior> ok startx gives me the same error
[14:38] <akik> StormWarrior: for remote x11, i suggest x2go. it uses a client/server model
[14:40] <StormWarrior> akik: but why cant I start xfce4 as a non root user?
[14:40] <leftyfb> I think it has to do with the fact that you're doing it over ssh
[14:41] <yeats> linux_user: as I mentioned (and you said you already knew), the configuration file should contain which directories are deleted
[14:41] <akik> StormWarrior: if you get root account through vnc, doesn't it mean you started the vnc server as root?
[14:42] <StormWarrior> akik: nope.. thats the problem.. I start vncserver as a non root user.. but in the xstartup file, I start xfce4 as a root user
[14:42] <leftyfb> akik: they're starting the desktop as root ... which isn't what they want and is very very wrong
[14:43] <akik> StormWarrior: no you shouldn't start xfce manually with a vnc setup
[14:43] <StormWarrior> akik: if I dont, I am getting a grey screen on my client
[14:43] <akik> StormWarrior: it'll use the desktop environment that you already have running
[14:43] <StormWarrior> it should.. but it isnt
[14:43] <StormWarrior> hence the problem
[14:44] <leftyfb> is is using the DE that is running, the xfce run as root
[14:44] <linux_user> yeats: thanks for your help.
[14:44] <leftyfb> which needs to not be run as root
[14:44] <linux_user> if anyone is familiar with apt-mirror I would appreciate some assistance.
[14:44] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: https://askubuntu.com/questions/614543/how-to-get-xfce4-desktop-at-startup-without-the-bloat
[14:45] <leftyfb> though again, I'm not sure how that works if running over ssh
[14:45] <akik> StormWarrior: x2go is fast, supports sessions, doesn't require xorg running on the server
[14:46] <akik> StormWarrior: the downside is that it doesn't work with the desktop environments that require hw acceleration
[14:46] <akik> but xfce is fine
[14:47] <StormWarrior> akik: ok lemme try these solutions before moving to x2go
[14:48] <akik> StormWarrior: oh and all data transmission is through ssh
[14:49] <StormWarrior> well its over ssh now as well
[14:51] <Zero11> Hi
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> Zero11: welcome, how can we help you?
[14:54] <linux_user> if anyone is familiar with apt-mirror I would appreciate some assistance.
[14:54] <debron> Hello, i am trying to copy a mode line from my TV edid file, to xrandr --newmode
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> xrandr | debron
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | debron
[14:55] <debron> I dont know why it created for a unexisting output, instead of creating for my current and only output
[14:55] <debron> ?
[14:55] <Zero11> I have heating problem in my hp 8460p laptop.ubuntu 16.4.4
[14:55] <debron> lotuspsychje: thanks
[14:55] <Exterminador> hey guys. I know that this isn't the best place probably, but I've changed my HDD from one laptop to another. the laptop boots and so on. it has no wireless card, so I was using my phone to share the internet via USB. but... I keep losing usb connection. can be motherboard dying?
[14:55] <debron> but I am using xrandr how is supposed to be used, its failing somehow
[14:56] <debron> So, the only way of using a mode is taking the line from cvt command? i cant get the line from the edid file of the TV?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> Exterminador: more a question for ##hardware ?
[14:56] <Exterminador> lotuspsychje: Ty!
[14:57] <linux_user> what is the difference between X and GNOME?
[14:57] <debron> X is any kind of desktop environment
[14:57] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: GNOME runs on X
[14:57] <debron> GNOME is one of them
[14:58] <StormWarrior> !x
[14:58] <StormWarrior> !x linux_user
[14:58] <StormWarrior> !x | linux_user
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> linux_user, Gnome is a Desktop Environment. It handles window decoration and experience. X is what allows Gnome to display it's windows. It can opperate on it's own but the interface is very crude. Gnome provides a more user friendly interface
[14:58] <debron> lol
[14:58] <debron> nice
[14:59] <tomreyn> "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" wont start for lightdm, i guess
[14:59] <tomreyn> s/start/work/
[14:59] <leftyfb> StormWarrior: as does XFCE
[15:00] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: :(
[15:00] <StormWarrior> leftyfb: I am losing hope
[15:01] <linux_user> pragmaticenigma: thanks!
[15:01] <linux_user> !x | me
[15:07] <jack_> hello everyone
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | Hello jack_
[15:08] <chirag> hi
[15:08] <StormWarrior> !patience | me
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> !bot | StormWarrior
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> !botabuse | StormWarrior
[15:11] <jack_> today i update my ubuntu  18.04 ,after restart my computer ,i can launch the system :(
[15:11] <tomreyn> !18.04 | jack_
[15:12] <tomreyn> jack_: i.e. please /join #ubuntu+1 and ask there
[15:13] <Guest40929> hi
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> !nick | Hello Guest40929
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> Guest40929, please choose a nick name unique to you
[15:15] <Guest40929> how ?
[15:15] <Guest40929> how to set name?
[15:15] <tomreyn> /nick mynewnickname
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> !register | Guest40929
[15:16] <Guest40929> ok
[15:17] <Fleetwood> what kind of uptime does ubuntu server get?
[15:18] <leftyfb> Fleetwood: that is an invlid question
[15:18] <leftyfb> invalid*
[15:18] <Fleetwood> ok
[15:18] <ganderluo> help
[15:18] <leftyfb> !ask | ganderluo
[15:26] <JimBuntu> Fleetwood, infinite.
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu, I think the correct response is as long as a user lets it stay up
[15:30] <rory> Fleetwood: If I understand, you're interested to learn how often you will be forced to reboot an Ubuntu server?
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> rory, it's offtopic
[15:30] <rory> Fleetwood: Start here https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/10/20/live-kernel-patching-from-canonical-now-available-for-ubuntu
[15:53] <Emmarof> hello
[15:54] <oerheks> :-)
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | hello Emmarof
[15:55] <Emmarof> my / drive is full
[15:55] <Emmarof> i however have space on my /home
[15:56] <Emmarof> Can i add space to / without having to reinstall everything?
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> Emmarof, you can resize partitions, however, you risk losing all of your data. Make sure you back up your system using a disk back up utility first
[15:57] <oerheks> Emmarof, first remove all old and unused kernels, sudo apt-get autoremove # and see how much space is reclaimed
[15:57] <Emmarof> oerheks: i have. It didnt add any space
[15:59] <Emmarof> pragmaticenigma: what are the situations that cause data lose?
[16:00] <oerheks> you could use a live iso, and grab gparted to give your / more space, easy to do as it can be done graphical .. always backup your data
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> Emmarof, It's rare, but it's always a risk. Chances are, you have a back up and nothing goes wrong. But at least you won't be kicking yourself later when something doesn't go right and you do lose your important files
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> Emmarof, partitioning tools do not care about the data contained within the partition. Their goal is to resize the partition. If data exists in an area that's about to be reallocated else where, it doesn't get moved, it get's wiped
[16:02] <Emmarof> i get that
[16:02] <Emmarof> so two things
[16:03] <Emmarof> back up and partition resize
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> yep, that's a great plan Emmarof
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> Emmarof, depending on your data needs, a full system back up can image the entire drive and save it to an external drive. The external drive will need to be the same size or larger than the disk being copied. You can make a back up with a utility like Clonezilla
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> Emmarof, The other option is to simply back up your home folder and other folders that hold files you want to ensure are recoverable. You then only need a drive big enough to hold all those files
[16:07] <Emmarof> alright
[16:07] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/disk-resize.html
[16:07] <Emmarof> either ways, i need a clonezilla or clonezilla like utility riht?
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> Emmarof, yes, if you intend to make a complete drive image as a back up
[16:08] <oerheks> no, gparted will do
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, we're talking about backing up files prior to resizing the drive
[16:20] <goatia> Hi all, Please could someone help, Im using UbuntuStudio and having problems with PulseAudio that seems to uninstlall or delete itself for some reason, I have lost my main volume control settings (speaker icon) twice now. Im new at Studio and still trying to find my way around. System was fine last night, when I start up now it takes longer than usual. I have used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure the first time it happened
[16:20] <goatia> and it fixed the problem, the icon went missing again today and I tried this procedure, but this time it does not want to work :( Please if someone could assist me!
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> !sound | goatia start here
[16:22] <goatia> That is what I am trying to explain, I cannot access the volume applet
[16:23] <bn_work> does ubuntu not have an LDAP package that can be installed via `apt`?
[16:23] <bn_work> (I checked for openldap, freeipa)
[16:23] <bn_work> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> bn_work: apt-cache search ldap
[16:24] <pavlos> bn_work: install slapd and ldap-utils
[16:24] <bn_work> oh, is openldap = slapd?
[16:26] <tomreyn> !info slapd
[16:26] <pavlos> bn_work: yes, read this ... https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[16:28] <bn_work> tomreyn/pavlos:  thanks.  do you know if openldap has a graphical utility one can use to manage users?  perhaps via X?
[16:28] <Dovid2> hi. I am trying to parec on ubuntu when I ssh in to the computer. When I am on the desktop it works fine when I launch it. however if I ssh in and run parec I get: "xcb_connection_has_error() returned true. Connection failure: Connection refused". On RHEL It works fine. I assume it's some enviroment variable any clues?
[16:29] <bn_work> I normally prefer CLI but gotta admit MS ADUC has spoiled me over the years
[16:29] <pavlos> bn_work: there is a phpldapadmin (search for ldap client gui
[16:30] <tomreyn> bn_work: there are several web based ladap administration utilities. i don't have a good overview on this, though, and thus can't recommend one specifically.
[16:30] <pavlos> bn_work: https://askubuntu.com/questions/14847/gui-tool-to-configure-ldap-client
[16:31] <bn_work> ugh, PHP, another attack vector I'd need guard :(
[16:31] <bn_work> s/need/need to/
[16:31] <bn_work> thanks for the suggestion though
[16:31] <goatia> Hey guys, sorry to bother, one question.... If the speaker icon is missing, how do I get it back?
[16:31] <bn_work> a web-based on would be convenient though
[16:33] <debron> I just tried to format an usb stick from unity gui, (i shouldve done this by command-line) and i choosed option "slow format, overrite all with zeroes", well, the volume unmounted and there is not progress bar or info of the status
[16:33] <debron> how can I know when format process its done?
[16:34] <bn_work> lol
[16:34] <debron> I wouldnt like to unplug the device in the middle of formatting... xd
[16:35] <pavlos> debron: pop another terminal, find the process running and kill it
[16:35] <tomreyn> debron: you can run "eject" against its device node. if there is still a process accessing it it will fail
[16:35] <debron> tomreyn: the drive unmounted
[16:35] <debron> it really need to be unmounted for format?
[16:35] <debron> i dont get it
[16:35] <tomreyn> debron: drives ar enot mounted in the first place, file systems are.
[16:35] <debron> its not on /media anymore
[16:35] <debron> fs , sorry
[16:36] <tomreyn> debron: so you're saying the file system was unmouned, but the storage device is probably still attached.
[16:36] <tomreyn> lsblk
[16:36] <debron> yeah, i can see it
[16:37] <debron> sdb
[16:37] <tomreyn> debron: so run eject against it and see what happens
[16:37] <debron> ok ty, sec
[16:38] <Nigue> Hi, again
[16:38] <Nigue> 've tried to set up the pptp connection in ubuntu with the default settings, the connection works in windows 7 also in windows xp, it even works with ubuntu within same provider's network. I've tried to connect with two different computers on my home network (both pc are able to connect with vpn in windows 7) but with ubuntu i got error vpn connection failed because vpn stopped. I found this VPN connection failed because service stopp
[16:38] <Nigue> Help
[16:38] <pavlos> debron: if the usb stick is /dev/sdb, you can try eject sdb
[16:39] <debron> umount: /dev/sdb: not mounted
[16:39] <tomreyn> eject /dev/sdb
[16:39] <debron> ah
[16:39] <debron> thanks
[16:39] <tomreyn> possibly with sudo
[16:39] <debron> no errors
[16:39] <tomreyn> mount is for file systems, not entire storages
[16:40] <Nigue> It was posted in forum aswell...
[16:40] <Nigue> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1024662/vpn-pptp-vpn-failed-vpn-service-stopped
[16:40] <Nigue> Can someone give me a hint?
[16:40] <debron> tomreyn: something could go wrong, now i pluged in again the device, and it doesnt auto-mount
[16:41] <tomreyn> debron: what did you expect it to mount?
[16:41] <debron> the new fat32 fs?
[16:41] <tomreyn> debron oh you created a new file system there? ok, i wasn't aware of that
[16:42] <debron> yeah, through gui
[16:42] <debron> now i opened the disk tool and see this error: Error erasing device: Error writing 1048576 bytes to /dev/sdb1: Input/output error (udisks-error-quark, 0)
[16:42] <Emmarof> gparted doesnt work on ubuntu 17.10
[16:42] <tomreyn> debron: maybe the file system was created on the raw device, not on a partition. this may prevent autmatic mount.
[16:42] <Emmarof> what are the alternatives to resize my disk?
[16:43] <Nigue> Anyone?
[16:43] <debron> tomreyn: but when i run lsblk, i can see a partition there i think /dev/sdb1
[16:43] <debron> Emmarof: commandline I think
[16:43] <debron> probably there are more gui tools for it
[16:44] <tomreyn> debron: okay, so you have partition there, but apparently writing to the device failed, which means that if there is a file system there it is probably not in good shape. i'd just create it again.
[16:44] <Nigue> Ok im alone in this...i guess
[16:45] <debron> oki tomreyn ill try again with the disks tool, instead of doing through the window manager right click menu
[16:45] <tomreyn> debron: whats the goal exactly? create a single VFAT file system covering all of sdb?
[16:45] <debron> yeah, im doing it already
[16:45] <tomreyn> works for me
[16:46] <debron> from disks utility i can see a progress bar
[16:46] <debron> now it will be fine i guess
[16:46] <debron> i think ejecting just forced, somehow, in middle of the process
[16:47] <tomreyn> maybe, i don't think it would, but i can be wrong.
[16:48] <debron> no problem, everything is right now
[16:48] <debron> just erased the partition, created new one, fast format, and mount
[16:48] <debron> working , thanks :)
[16:48] <tomreyn> :)
[17:18] <azzeger> bonjour a tous
[17:18] <pxh> hi
[17:20] <azzeger> qu elle est la cmd pour reactiver wlan0 svp
[17:20] <oerheks> !fr | azzeger
[17:20] <pxh> sleep...
[17:20] <azzeger> thank you
[17:23] <beaky> rogramming with dependent types
[17:23] <beaky> oops wrong channel
[17:25] <thenwkg> Hello, i am using an older AMD APU There are no drivers for it past Ubutnu 14.x. The question is, is it possible that installing Ubuntu on an HDD could cause animations to lag ? It's not a drastic lag but noticeable. When I boot a live usb they work much better.
[17:25] <thenwkg> I am talking about UI animations.
[17:26] <thenwkg> Installing Oibaf seems to help to some degree.
[17:31] <woukk> How y'all use skype for business? windows as virtual guest?
[17:33] <compdoc> I have windows server running as guests, but dont use skype
[17:35] <akem__> You can run regular Skype on Ubuntu natively.
[17:36] <tester> how can i use a custom port in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[17:36] <tester> 127.0.0.1:5353 instead of 53
[17:37] <woukk> Yeah I found the snap package of skype thx.
[17:38] <woukk> but converting workstation so need business version for conference calls
[17:38] <Sircle> in this, UID-0 and that means root? (it was a test by me though). Apr 13 10:32:49 u kernel: [212802.716132] ssh OUT connection IN= OUT=ens3 SRC=107.16ip here 28 DST=168.ip here234 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=45553 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=50166 DPT=22 WINDOW=29200 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 UID=0 GID=0
[17:39] <tomreyn> woukk: not supported on linux, so maybe choose a different software.
[17:40] <tomreyn> woukk: ... or prompt the company producing it to suppoort your favourite OS platform.
[17:42] <tomreyn> Sircle: i would think so, but, like you, have not read the manual
[17:48] <tomreyn> tester: whats the use case for using a non default port if ouy dont mind discussing it?
[17:50] <tomreyn> you could use iptables to redirec the request to a different port
[17:51] <woukk> tomreyn: sadly many customers uses office 365 heavily .. guess i have to go with the windows as virtual guest option
[17:52] <tester> tomreyn dnscrypt-proxy is hell. they made a _really_ bad job.
[17:53] <tester> it doesnt privdrop, so it cant bind to 53.
[17:56] <sublime48> hi, I installed 18.04 Beta 2 on my built PC today...experiencing very slow wi-fi (ubuntu got 3 mbps on speedtest.net, mbp got 100 mbps)
[17:56] <sublime48> i3-8100 on a H370N WIFI
[17:57] <compdoc> nice cpu
[17:57] <leftyfb> |bionic | sublime48
[17:57] <leftyfb> !bionic | sublime48
[17:58] <sublime48> I'll jump over there
[18:26] <linux_user> if anyone is familiar with apt-mirror I would appreciate some assistance.
[18:29] <tgm4883> linux_user: you'll get more assistance if you state your issue
[18:46] <TheOnlyBouncer> Good day, question. I have a Laptop with a GTX1060 and both with 17.10 and 18.04 i can not use my hdmi sound
[18:47] <TheOnlyBouncer> both pulse audio and aplay -l do not detect the hdmi sound
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> TheOnlyBouncer, which OS are you currently attempting to trouble shoot? As of right now, we are unable to assist with 18.04. You can receive assistance for 18.04 on /join #ubuntu+1
[18:49] <TheOnlyBouncer> pragmaticenigma, Also run 17.10 on it, same issue
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> TheOnlyBouncer, I understand, but we cannot troubleshoot if you are currently on 18.04
[18:50] <brainwash> TheOnlyBouncer: which nvidia driver did you install?
[18:52] <JimBuntu> brainwash, may want to go back one more... find out what `glxinfo | grep -i "opengl"` even reports
[18:58] <tomreyn> tester: i guess iptables then. or a different software
[19:01] <rypervenche> tester: You can do a redirect in iptables then.
[19:12] <Emmarof> i have managed to create an unallocated space using gparted but i cant add it to another disk
[19:12] <Emmarof> All the tutorials are rather confusing me
[19:14] <EriC^^> Emmarof: what do you mean by add it to another disk?
[19:14] <pavlos> Emmarof: you mean another partition, not disk.
[19:15] <EriC^^> like lvm you mean?
[19:15] <Emmarof> EriC^^: i have decrease the size of /home to create 12Gb unallocated and I want to add it to /
[19:15] <Emmarof> pavlos: yes, thanks
[19:15] <EriC^^> Emmarof: aha, same hard disk?
[19:15] <Emmarof> yes
[19:15] <EriC^^> Emmarof: can you pastebin your partition table? sudo parted -ls
[19:16] <Emmarof> no
[19:16] <EriC^^> why not
[19:16] <Emmarof> i can type it there for you to see
[19:16] <Emmarof> or take a screenshot and send it
[19:16] <EriC^^> oh, no internet connection on said pc?
[19:17] <Emmarof> there is
[19:17] <Emmarof> i will send a screenshot
[19:17] <EriC^^> Emmarof: then type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' it'll upload it for you
[19:18] <Emmarof> i just realised there isnt
[19:20] <Emmarof> http://termbin.com/0twz
[19:21] <Emmarof> EriC^^: that's it
[19:22] <Emmarof> have you seen it?
[19:23] <ice9> when ubuntu 18.04 will be released?
[19:24] <leftyfb> !bionic | ice9
[19:24] <EriC^^> Emmarof: i got disconnected, did you paste the link?
[19:24] <Emmarof> EriC^^: here http://termbin.com/0twz
[19:25] <Emmarof> Eric: picture of what i mean in gparted https://ibb.co/erG5Bn
[19:27] <EriC^^> Emmarof: aha, you're going to have to do a 'move' operation on the /home partition so it switches places with the unallocated space, then you can merge that with /
[19:27] <EriC^^> it's going to have to physically move the data, so it's going to take some time
[19:27] <EriC^^> (not just some logical operation)
[19:28] <Emmarof> How do i move? I see resize/move but that is what i used to create the unallocated space
[19:29] <Emmarof> should i use the shrink?
[19:29] <EriC^^> Emmarof: try move again perhaps
[19:30] <Emmarof> it brings same thing
[19:30] <EriC^^> what happens if you right click > move again?
[19:31] <Emmarof> you mean right click > Resize/move?
[19:32] <ioria> EriC^^, i think he wants to add the unallocated space to /root , but it's not contiguous
[19:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:33] <EriC^^> ioria: yeah, exactly
[19:33] <Emmarof> here is what appears https://ibb.co/hEoSrn
[19:34] <Emmarof> ioria: how do i make it contigious?
[19:34] <Emmarof> this thing is looking more complex than i thought
[19:34] <EriC^^> Emmarof: ok, you want the free space preceding 12000, and free space following 0, same size
[19:34] <EriC^^> then add the unallocated space to /
[19:35] <EriC^^> Emmarof: i literally just explained
[19:36] <EriC^^> you're almost done, except that it's going to take some time to copy 376gb
[19:36] <Emmarof> ok great
[19:36] <Emmarof> that worked
[19:36] <EriC^^> Emmarof: ok, let it apply the operations
[19:36] <Emmarof> now how do i mearge the unallocated space and sda4?
[19:37] <EriC^^> Emmarof: right click > resize or something?
[19:37] <Emmarof> why does it have to copy 376gb? I just removed some freespace
[19:37] <EriC^^> try resize again, and choose free space before 0 and free space following 0, hopefully it calculates the new size for you
[19:38] <Emmarof> seen it
[19:38] <Emmarof> done it
[19:38] <EriC^^> Emmarof: nah, it's like you shifted everything to the right
[19:39] <Emmarof> EriC^^: Here is the final https://ibb.co/k96cP7
[19:39] <Emmarof> EriC^^: ok so it has to copy the entire 376gb to the right?
[19:39] <EriC^^> ok apply and let it do it's thing
[19:41] <Emmarof> looks like it might take a long time
[19:42] <root32bash> salut
[19:42] <Emmarof> EriC^^: are you a system admin/engineer?
[19:42] <EriC^^> Emmarof: yeah it does
[19:42] <EriC^^> no Emmarof
[19:42] <Emmarof> ok
[19:43] <Emmarof> EriC^^: can it take an hour?
[19:43] <EriC^^> Emmarof: is it a normal hdd or ssd?
[19:47] <EriC^^> Emmarof: about an hour or 2 depending on your hdd
[19:48] <EriC^^> ssd is like 1/4 the time or so depending on quality i guess
[19:49] <Emmarof> ok
[19:49] <EriC^^> i'd say the most important thing is to not let the electricity go off or something
[19:49] <EriC^^> it would suck big time
[19:58] <Borw3> Hello... I have question, is it a must to keep upgrading my kernel when ubuntu updates?
[19:58] <nacc> Borw3: yes, for security purposes, at least (and possibly bugfixes)
[19:58] <nacc> Borw3: or you can use the livepatch service, if you are on an appropirate kernel level
[20:01] <Borw3> nacc: So, I am on 3.16 but when upgrading to them 4.x kernels my wifi-range decreases drastically :-(
[20:01] <nacc> Borw3: 3.16??
[20:01] <nacc> Borw3: are you on trusty?
[20:01] <Borw3> nacc: No, 16.04, I just installed it after seeing that 4.x kernel reduces my wifi strength
[20:02] <nacc> Borw3: 3.16 is not a supported kernel on 16.04
[20:02] <nacc> Borw3: so i don't know where you got it from?
[20:02] <Borw3> nacc: Which is least supported version?
[20:02] <nacc> Borw3: 4.4
[20:02] <oerheks> and what wifi device exactly? maybe there is a fix
[20:02] <nacc> oerheks: good call
[20:03] <Borw3> nacc: RT3290
[20:04] <Borw3> For RT3290 I can install drivers to boost signal, but then it makes PC keep restarting itself on shutdown :-( and on kernel 4.13+ when I install those drivers wifi disapears all together, no even low strnegth
[20:04] <ricardobarbosams> hi all, its possible the command for view count lookup for routes? the route command output show the "use" field, but its is always zeroed
[20:06] <oerheks> according to this post, Ubuntu 17.10 has a builtin driver (rt2800pci) which performs good and usable.  http://onthim.blogspot.nl/2015/06/install-ralink-rt3290-wi-fi-driver-on.html
[20:06] <oerheks> else you might want to ompile newer firmware, see #6 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383999
[20:07] <genii> oerheks: Changes in kernel from past 3.19 are the problem
[20:07] <genii> ( with the existing drivers )
[20:08] <nacc> Borw3: 4.4
[20:08] <nacc> Borw3: sorry, typo
[20:10] <Borw3> oerheks: When I compile like in your links, the wifi card disapears all together from even iwconfig, it is not listed
[20:11] <oerheks> Borw3, even after reboot?
[20:11] <oerheks> i think you need to reboot, afaik
[20:11] <Borw3> oerheks: Yeah, on kernels of 4.13 and 4.14 the wifi disapears after compiling the drivers, even after restart.
[20:12] <oerheks> 4.13 and 4.14.. did you build it on the latest kernel ? if you did on 3.x, i understand why it disappears
[20:13] <Borw3> oerheks: Yeah, on latest kernel it disapears
[20:13] <oerheks> .. and you need to rebuild after any kernel update
[20:14] <Borw3> What kernel is on 17.10?
[20:15] <bn_work> how does one validate that a daemon (ex: `slapd`) is configured to run on boot runlevels on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?  (I'm used to using `chkconfig` but Ubuntu doesn't seem to have that, `start-stop-daemon` doesn't seem to be quite it either :/ )
[20:17] <oerheks> Borw3, 4.13, if you want the latest kernel, use !hwe
[20:17] <oerheks> !hwe
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> bn_work, I think /etc/init has the list
[20:19] <bn_work> pragmaticenigma: so as long as it's in `/etc/init/` or `/etc/init.d/`?
[20:19] <bn_work> I mean there's an init script for slapd in `/etc/init.d/slapd`
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> check here bn_work : https://askubuntu.com/a/678872
[20:20] <bn_work> I didn't think that in itself enabled it though, I thought it need to have `S...` symlinks and `K...` symlinks for the relevant runlevels
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> bn_work, depends on the manger... Upstart, System V, SystemD
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> all use different methods for managing the start and stop of daemons
[20:24] <bn_work> 14.04 LTS is Upstart + SysV, slapd appears to install a SysV initi script
[20:25] <bn_work> init
[20:25] <bn_work> but that link helped though
[20:32] <arooni> i have a volume that has ubuntu 14.10 on it ; as an additional hard drive ... but it has the home directory encrypted (i have the password) .. currently running 16.04... how do i unencrypt it for use on 16.04 ?
[20:32] <arooni> or at least temporarily unencrypt it
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, I think article might help you : https://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/
[20:50] <leftyfb> arooni: If the link above doesn't help and you used LUKS to encrypt, sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXX securebackup
[20:50] <arooni> so in following that link am i removing encryption entirely?
[20:50] <leftyfb> no
[20:50] <leftyfb> you are decrypting it
[20:51] <leftyfb> in order to "remove" encryption, you would rsync everything off the drive to somewhere else, repartition and reformat the drive and rsync everything back
[20:51] <arooni> leftyfb: so home directory is still encrypted
[20:51] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, correct
[20:52] <arooni> as an aside; if gparted has an error writing an ext4 partition to a extneral usb drive; does that mean the drive is toast?
[20:52] <arooni> Warning, had trouble writing out superblocks.
[20:52] <arooni> Input/output error during read on /dev/sdc also occurs
[20:53] <leftyfb> probably
[20:54] <leftyfb> arooni: run diagnostics on the drive
[20:54] <arooni> sad day
[20:54] <arooni> this drive was working fine yesterday
[20:55] <arooni> s.m.a.r.t. tests pass
[21:05] <bn_work> hmm, looks like `service --status-all` gets the status of all init scripts.  aha, `update-rc.d` is what I was looking for
[21:12] <marcos> hello
[21:15] <Guest58371> anyone about?
[21:22] <slidinghorn> Guest93654: Feel free to ask your question - if someone who can help sees it, they'll respond :)
[22:14] <Emmarof> i used gparted to partition my disk
[22:14] <Emmarof> it's been 2 hours 30mins and i see no progress
[22:14] <Emmarof> should i cancel it?
[22:15] <slidinghorn> Emmarof: probably not - the length of time depends on the size of the disk and what operations you're performing
[22:16] <Emmarof> slidinghorn: shrinking 376Gb and growing 12Gb
[22:17] <Emmarof> is that justified for close to 3hours  without any operation progress?
[22:21] <nacc> Emmarof: what do you mean 'without any operation progress'?
[22:23] <Emmarof> nacc: there is an operation bar `Completed Operations 0 of 2 operations completed`
[22:24] <Emmarof> it's been close to 3 hours and it hasnt even moved to `1 of 2 operations completed`
[22:25] <nacc> Emmarof: if you look in top, do you see the process taking up cpu or disk?
[22:28] <boblamont> these both do the same thing, right? is one better than the other (either the way it's done, or just arecord vs ffmpeg) https://paste.linux.community/view/a127ba76
[22:30] <oerheks> boblamont, the size of the files would differ, mp3 is much smaller
[22:30] <oerheks> ogg would be about the same as mp3, AFAIK
[22:31] <boblamont> oerheks: I'm comparing the arecord method and the ffmpeg, in both cases, I want to wind up with both an mp3 and an ogg.
[22:34] <oerheks> oh, i misread, not sure which one is better/faster
[22:34] <oerheks> i would use ffmpeg
[22:35] <boblamont> I was leaning that way... if for no other reason than I don't have to bother getting rid of the initial wav that arecord creates
[22:44] <thrmo> will 18.04 be based on kernel 4.14?
[22:45] <MikeRL> I noticed something nasty on Ubuntu 16.04 when my proprietary drivers updated. Nvidia-settings now will not load if you have it set to the Intel GPU.
[22:45] <genii> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[22:45] <MikeRL> Is there anywhere I can report this?
[22:45] <genii> thrmo: Apparently 4.15
[22:45] <thrmo> genii, why will a LTS released be based on a non-lts kernel?
[22:46] <genii> You'd have to ask the devs that
[22:47] <genii> But I think they gave up the even numbers for release versions and odd for dev versions on the kernel a long time ago now
[22:47] <compdoc> thrmo, two different things
[22:48] <thrmo> 16.04 was based on a LTS kernel
[22:48] <thrmo> makes more sense security wise
[22:48] <compdoc> ah. do you think that was done previously too?
[22:48] <genii> I'd suspect it's probably to do with kernel support for ZFS
[22:49] <compdoc> for 14.04?
[22:49] <nacc> !bug | MikeRL
[22:49] <thrmo> 14.04 seems to be based on a non lts kernel
[22:50] <nacc> thrmo: what is your point?
[22:50] <MikeRL> Package is not official nacc .
[22:50] <nacc> thrmo: the ubuntu-security team does not necessarily directly follow only the upstream kernel
[22:50] <compdoc> so 16.04 might have just been a matter of timing that they used the lts kernel.
[22:50] <nacc> MikeRL: ok, report it to wherever you got the package from?
[22:51] <MikeRL> Got the package from https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers but there appears to be no way to report bugs.
[22:52] <nacc> MikeRL: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa you mean?
[22:52] <nacc> MikeRL: as with any PPA, contact PPA owners for support
[22:52] <MikeRL> Yeah that PPA.
[22:52] <MikeRL> Via IRC or message on launchpad?
[22:52] <compdoc> does an lts version of ubuntu ever jump to a higher version kernel?
[22:52] <thrmo> nacc, sure, this way just seems like a hell lot of trouble for no good reason
[22:52] <thrmo> when they could use and contribute to upstream
[22:53] <nacc> MikeRL: either, i think
[22:53] <nacc> !hwe | compdoc
[22:53] <MikeRL> nacc, thanks.
[22:53] <nacc> thrmo: you could talk to the ubuntu kernel team about this, not the support channel (#ubuntu-kernel), but it's pretty presumptuous of you to assume you know better than they do
[22:53] <nacc> thrmo: and to assuem they don't use or contribute to upstream
[22:54] <thrmo> I was just assuming that it would be a lot more hassle free otherwise
[22:54] <nacc> thrmo: based upon what and for whom?
[22:54] <jerichowasahoax> !bionic > jerichowasahoax
[22:55] <thrmo> what most other stable "distros" do
[22:55] <thrmo> it's not by change that debian uses LTS kernels
[22:55] <thrmo> it's not some kind of whichcraft.
[22:56] <nacc> thrmo: you're fully out of 'support' discussion here, like i said, there are better channels if you want to try and change the kernel team's mind
[22:56] <nacc> thrmo: but afaict, you're not speaking as a kernel developer or contributor
[22:56] <thrmo> thanks.
[23:15] <sammyg> how to restart the pc from ubuntu setup?
[23:16] <sammyg> the button in the top right corner is not having any effect
[23:16] <sammyg> i am at "installation type" screen
[23:16] <grkblood13> on my laptop if I remove my battery and plug in the power adapter itlll power up and run fine. If I plug my battery in itll run fine. If I plug adapter and battery in the laptop will run but not charge the battery. Any idea whats wrong?
[23:18] <sammyg> so how do you charge your battery?
[23:18] <grkblood13> i cant
[23:18] <grkblood13> i just bought a new one thinking it was bad
[23:19] <sammyg> thinkpad?
[23:19] <grkblood13> it the battery is in and the adapter is plugged in itll run off the battery
[23:19] <grkblood13> if i remove the battery itll run off the adapter
[23:19] <grkblood13> its a probook 4730s
[23:20] <grkblood13> ive had it for a few years running ubuntu
[23:20] <leftyfb> grkblood13: sounds like a hardware problem, not ubuntu
[23:20] <leftyfb> sammyg: hold down the power button till it powers off. Then power it back up
[23:21] <_war10ck_> grkblood13: The problem might be with your charger, either the resistance has gone up or your charging section in your MBD is out
[23:21] <grkblood13> how do I know if the charging section of my MBD is out?
[23:22] <leftyfb> grkblood13: contact your laptop manufacturer or google/youtube
[23:22] <leftyfb> grkblood13: your issue has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[23:22] <Toadisattva> I'm using Lubuntu 16.04, I'd like for a user to be able to use pcmanfm to copy files to an external device, but not have access to the root filesystem or anything other than the browsers download folder and the desktop, is this possible?
[23:22] <leftyfb> grkblood13: you could maybe seek further help in #hardware or #computers
[23:22] <leftyfb> Toadisattva: use sudo
[23:22] <_war10ck_> grkblood13: excatly what leftyfb said
[23:23] <grkblood13> will do
[23:24] <sammyg> that's ##hardware and #computers is a one man's show room
[23:25] <NextContestant> Hey, could site help be handled here?
[23:25] <Skaface82> can you see what % the charge is? maybe if the software thinks its 100% all the time, it wont charge?
[23:26] <Skaface82> charging should be hardware controlled though so i dont think im right
[23:26] <leftyfb> NextContestant: what sort of help?
[23:26] <leftyfb> Skaface82: Ubuntu does not dictate whether or not the battery gets charged
[23:26] <Skaface82> yeah i didnt think so
[23:26] <Skaface82> cause it charges when its off :D
[23:27] <sammyg> acpi problem maybe?
[23:27] <sammyg> just installed ubuntu on a new desktop system i built
[23:27] <NextContestant> prob with SSO login and the forums
[23:27] <sammyg> like my old system, i see "acpi probing" bla bla
[23:28] <sammyg> but it works!
[23:28] <sammyg> that's the main thing, and it's a desktop so i don't need batteries
[23:28] <sammyg> but why is this "acpi probing" so commonly displayed during boot up of ubuntu?
[23:29] <leftyfb> NextContestant: try #ubuntu-website
[23:29] <NextContestant> leftyfb: Tanx!!
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, acpi is for more than battery
[23:30] <sammyg> yes but battery is part of the equation
[23:30] <sammyg> it's failing to activate all the features of the motherboard i think
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, acpi also handles power states of the various components. From your monitor being able to turn off and turn on through the DVI/VGA cable attached, to spinning down the harddisk when not in use
[23:31] <sammyg> yes, and it all depends on windows being installed
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, no
[23:33] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, there are some BIOSes that aren't complient with IEEE specifications. There is a override to tell the kernel to use Microsoft commands instead of the industry standards
[23:33] <sammyg> what do you mean no? i talked to someone on this channel i think who helped me try to pin down a reboot halt i was experiencing on my ultrabook 2017 asus laptop
[23:33] <sammyg> ...
[23:33] <sammyg> it turns out that OEMs had been hacking the acpi spec to death since like year 1999
[23:34] <sammyg> making features available or not available depending on OS system flagging
[23:34] <sammyg> he gave me some kernel parameters i could try to get full debug reporting so i could read through it while booting to see what's going on
[23:35] <sammyg> and also set or "fake" the OS as being windows
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, they aren't OS specific, they assume a particular OS is going to be installed and build according to that design. I'm aware of the command that was given. but you're making assumptions that are not true
[23:35] <sammyg> so that all motherboard features would be activated
[23:37] <polnts> i deleted /usr/bin/python3 and now i cant remove/purge it, what should i do?
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> polnts, aside from never modifying items in that folder, there is a way repair the installation so you can properly remove it
[23:38] <oerheks> polnts, reinstall time ..
[23:38] <polnts> what
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, wrong answer... please do not do that
[23:38] <polnts> it's like deja vu, last time i was here i ws told to reinstall the os
[23:39] <oerheks> !info python3
[23:39] <polnts> tweaked root permissions
[23:39] <oerheks> yeah, it is a critical component
[23:39] <polnts> yes
[23:39] <polnts> terminal is not working
[23:39] <polnts> GOD
[23:39] <sammyg> pragmaticenigma, so you don't think that acpi could be his problem? why his battery won't charge?
[23:39] <oerheks> terminal works, with python3 installed, i guess
[23:40] <polnts> oerheks so only option is to reintall?
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> polnts, Go to System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager and click Edit > Fix Broken Packages.
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, acpi has nothing to do with the battery
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, at least not from the perspective of it's charge and discharge
[23:41] <polnts> pragmaticenigma "successfully fixed dependency problems."
[23:41] <polnts> but still can't open terminal
[23:42] <_war10ck_> sammyg: ACPI takes care of the monitoring of the status of devices which are using power, puts the ones not used to sleep. Doesn't do anything with the battery charging/discharging
[23:42] <polnts> will it start on next boot?
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> can't hurt to try a reboot
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> polnts, ^^ ^^
[23:43] <oerheks> polnts, logout//login perhaps works too
[23:43] <polnts> Talk about learning the hard way. This sort of thin keeps happening to me at critical times
[23:44] <polnts> well, so long if i don't come back
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> polnts, rules of thumb... never modify folders you didn't place there... /usr/bin and /usr/sbin are to be managed by system tools... never manually
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, if a battery is not charging, that is a hardware issue. The battery exists on it's own charging circuit (otherwise you would always have to leave the machine on to charge the battery)
[23:46] <sammyg> right
[23:46] <sammyg> i was overthinking it
[23:47] <sammyg> but i am still curious about that "acpi probing failed" stuff coming up each time i boot
[23:47] <sammyg> be it old desktop, new desktop, laptop, usb live system
[23:48] <sammyg> maybe it's not a problem
[23:48] <sammyg> it's normal boot process
[23:49] <sammyg> but then it should not be displayed, ripping through the nice ubuntu splash screen :)
[23:50] <sammyg> none of you see that stuff?
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, if you sit and watch tail -f /var/log/syslog you will see dozens of error messages every second
[23:51] <polnts> pragmaticenigma what was your advice?
[23:51] <_war10ck_> sammyg: I have sometimes seen that in older systems, where the battery is old, or the OS is unable to determine whether the system has a battery in it or not
[23:51] <polnts> restarted, no change. Terminal doesn't work
[23:51] <polnts> meaning i couldnt try the solutions offered here - > https://askubuntu.com/questions/218919/i-accidentally-deleted-usr-bin-python-how-do-i-restore-it
[23:52] <_war10ck_> sammyg: occurs plenty of times in my Asus system, now that it is 6+ years old
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> polnts, the advice I offered prior to your departure was to never modify folders you didn't create. And always let system tools handle /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
[23:52] <polnts> okay
[23:53] <grumble> polnts: does logging in on a text console work?
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> polnts, this is the part of learning and using linux. you make mistakes, sometimes there are easy fixes and sometimes there aren't. For support in this channel, some will suggest you reinstall, others will know how to repair the system in place
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> polnts, as for your issue, you do have the packages repair I would hope. One thing you could try is installing another terminal emulator. What Desktop Environment are you using? Unity, Gnome, KDE?
[23:54] <sammyg> _war10ck_, maybe it's just asus then? i mean the "acpi probing failed" stuff when you boot up
[23:54] <sammyg> my laptop is asus, the new desktop is asus
[23:54] <sammyg> but the old desktop was actually gigabyte
[23:55] <_war10ck_> sammyg: I wouldn't say that. I have seen the same thing pop up in my old Dell D520. That system is almost 10.5 years old
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, I get that message on different machines... you see it on boot because it occurs prior to those messages being redirected to /var/log and might be showing because of something not being initialized yet that is needed before ACPI does its thing
[23:55] <sammyg> is that stuff logged somewhere? i want to have a good look at it, because it only displays for a second or two
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, I believe it should be logged to /var/log/dmesg
[23:56] <_war10ck_> sammyg: as pragmaticenigma mentioned, check the /var/log for more information on this
[23:58] <bugzbunny> Hello, so send them to ##linux
[23:58] <congmaster> test
[23:58] <congmaster> is this work ?
[23:59] <pragmaticenigma> congmaster, do you have an Ubuntu related support question?