[00:02] <OvenWerks> Studio doesn't look too bad on top of vanilla... http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/screens/Screenshot%20from%202018-04-12%2016-44-13.png
[00:04] <OvenWerks> eylul: unfortunately, I can not use different backdrops for different screens in this case (unless I am still missing something)
[00:06] <captain-tux> Not bad at all, no. That icon-bar to the left was apparently made for poor-sighted users, but the rest looks pretty smooth.
[00:07] <OvenWerks> captain-tux: I think it can be reduced in size and if not it can be set to go away when not in use.
[00:08] <OvenWerks> Ya it looks nicer with icon size at 24 instead of 48
[00:10] <OvenWerks> Autohide works if there is an application right against the left side.
[00:12] <OvenWerks> captain-tux: 24px icons also means a lot more things fit in there.
[00:39] <eylul> checking this now ovenwerks
[00:39] <eylul> I am surprised multiple backgrounds are not possible.
[00:39] <eylul> that's.. unity? 
[00:40] <eylul> the left side bar actually is a good design choice. as a lot of modern screens are wide.
[00:40] <eylul> and top bars and bottom bars cut off from height. (I still like the aesthethic of horizontal bars through)
[00:43] <OvenWerks> eylul: this is ubuntu vailla which is gnome shell underneath I think
[00:43] <eylul> ah
[00:44] <OvenWerks> (18.04)
[00:44] <eylul> by the way a very uncharacteristic newbie question. do we have instructions as to how to do an upload?
[00:45] <eylul> I know I read this up at some point in past, and never done it. I'd like to try to do it if it is not too complicated.
[00:45] <OvenWerks> the line to upload is on the package page
[00:45] <OvenWerks> first pull the package bzr pull package_url
[00:46] <OvenWerks> then modify it, then bzr push package_url
[00:47] <eylul> ok so I guess that means I need to first figure out where the wallpapers are.
[00:47] <eylul> *goes to do that*
[00:48] <OvenWerks> ya, that first, then you have to change the file that points at it
[00:49] <OvenWerks> eylul: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/trunk
[00:51] <OvenWerks> eylul: if you are logged in you will see two lines:
[00:51] <OvenWerks> bzr branch lp:ubuntustudio-look
[00:51] <OvenWerks> That will create a package directory on your HD.
[00:52] <eylul> oh
[00:52] <OvenWerks> bzr push lp:ubuntustudio-look
[00:52] <OvenWerks> to upload
[00:53] <OvenWerks> of course there has to be a changelog edit and a commit...
[00:53] <eylul> oh looks like I will need to login
[00:54] <OvenWerks> The subdirectory to put the images in would be:  /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio
[00:56] <eylul> yup
[00:58] <eylul> /media/rain/Depot/ACTIVE/Workspace/_ubuntustudio/wallpaper/package/ubuntustudio-look/usr/share/gnome-background-properties/ has backgrounds looking to see if xfce has a file like this
[00:59] <OvenWerks> It could be forced to look there would not by default
[01:00] <OvenWerks> The config file is a full path: <property name="image-path" type="string" value="/usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-default.png"/>
[01:01] <OvenWerks> The package is ubuntustudio-default-settings and the file is /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml
[01:01] <eylul> ohh
[01:02] <OvenWerks> You will see that there are two specs there so you can actually put a pth to both left(main) and right(extra) images for screen 0 and screen1
[01:02] <eylul> I can't find the file in the package through
[01:03] <OvenWerks> which package? the config file is not in the same package as the image
[01:03] <eylul> ohhhh
[01:04] <eylul> ok I so i just need to upload the image itself first. alright that should be relatively straightforward to do assuming I am allowed to do it
[01:06] <OvenWerks> eylul: it says you are a member
[01:09] <eylul> alright :)
[01:17] <eylul> ovenwerks: ok fun error I wasn't able to upload so i started over to create a branch (after adding username to login)
[01:17] <eylul> Permission denied (publickey).
[01:17] <eylul> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[01:17] <eylul> Permission denied (publickey).
[01:17] <eylul> I assume I am somehow not linking my login correctly
[01:18] <OvenWerks> me can't remember how he set up.
[01:19] <OvenWerks> have setup ssh keys on you settings?
[01:20] <eylul> I thought I did.. but... I guess in one of the moves I dropped them. let me see
[01:23] <eylul> yeah I do have my ssh key on .ssh. but maybe bzr is not setup correctly
[01:47] <eylul> there has to be a better and more modern way to do this... XD
[01:48] <eylul> ovenwerks: last question if you are still around. do I need to use the add command of bzr, or can I just copy files etc
[02:10] <OvenWerks> yes you need add
[02:12] <OvenWerks> I am going to switch back to 16.04 where my development environment is.
[02:33] <eylul> alright
[02:33] <eylul> ok I think i got the wallpapers in 
[03:03] <OvenWerks> eylul: yup, Looks odd though and failed to auto build.
[03:03] <eylul> yeah
[03:03] <eylul> I don't like the mass file modified list that is showing there
[03:04] <OvenWerks> It doesn't show the mods though. Probably means file type/permitions/something else odd
[03:04] <eylul> it might be file permissions
[03:04] <eylul> I did do a diff on the default settings
[03:05] <eylul> and saw some x permission changes. can we revert the upload?
[03:06] <eylul> to a previous revision I mean
[03:06] <OvenWerks> yes
[03:06] <OvenWerks> I'm fetching the package now.
[03:08] <eylul> sorry to be a time hog by the way
[03:08] <OvenWerks> I would not worry about that. The permisions will be corrected at install time or before for the directory they will be installed in.
[03:08] <eylul> *nods*
[03:08] <OvenWerks> eylul: no problem I have been playing with vanilla anyway through the whole ting
[03:09] <eylul> :)
[03:09] <OvenWerks> I have almost convined myself we should should use it next cycle.
[03:09] <OvenWerks> *should just
[03:10] <eylul> interesting trivia: it looks like the default settings package was edited to have the ubuntustudio-default.png so that it doesn't have to be edited. :) unfortunately nobody seems to have accounted for a file type change, or 2 monitor wallpaper
[03:10] <eylul> I am ok if we want to go that route
[03:10] <eylul> I am ok to stand aside for someone to quickly upload this without much hassle
[03:10] <OvenWerks> I think there is a file needs editing.
[03:11] <eylul> after spending 2 hours, trying to branch because my ssh files were not named the way bzr expected them to be XD
[03:11] <eylul> oh?
[03:11] <eylul> the debian one?
[03:12] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-wallpapers.xml 
[03:14] <eylul> I can do that
[03:14] <eylul> one sec
[03:14] <eylul> does the lack of edit there causing failing to autobuild through?
[03:15] <krytarik> Messing up the permissions of an entire repo huge like this isn't something I'd call "cool" btw.. :D
[03:15] <OvenWerks> No it looks like permissions
[03:16] <eylul> hi krytarik
[03:16] <krytarik> Hiii!
[03:16] <eylul> yeah no I am still thinking it might be best to just revert the changes
[03:16] <eylul> and let someone else do this *sighs*
[03:16] <eylul> its one wallpaper upload
[03:16] <OvenWerks> I'll set the images aside first.
[03:17] <eylul> I have copies of them
[03:17] <eylul> and they are linked at mailing list
[03:17] <eylul> so whoever uploads them can simply download them from there
[03:17] <eylul> :)
[03:17] <OvenWerks> download once use twice :)
[03:17] <eylul> oh
[03:17] <eylul> fair
[03:18] <OvenWerks> it is taking a wile to download... all those big pictures
[03:18] <eylul> yeah :)
[03:22] <OvenWerks> Ok thats strange, the image it points at is not in that package
[03:22] <eylul> that I can answer
[03:23] <eylul> it is generated 
[03:23] <OvenWerks> so -look seems to be the wrong package anyway
[03:23] <eylul> its a symlink generated by ubuntu-look
[03:23] <eylul> ubuntustudio-look
[03:24] <eylul> ubuntustudio-look/debian/ubuntustudio-wallpapers.links
[03:24] <eylul> is where we would modify it normally.
[03:24] <eylul> but a) we are changing from png to jpg. b) we are trying to add a second monitor image that is separate. so default settings needs to change
[03:27] <OvenWerks> I can't fidn where tat happens.
[03:27] <eylul> neither can I, but that was the closest conclusion I could get from revision notes of the both packages
[03:28] <eylul> my local install, does have symlinks of appropriate names that refers to 16.04 wallpapers
[03:34] <eylul> *waits for the revert before going to sleep*
[03:36] <OvenWerks> Ok, I found the link install... At least I know how to do it when it finishes downloading
[03:38] <eylul> lets write this down?
[03:39] <eylul> so that we don't go through this whole process next time we need to update a wallpaper
[03:39] <eylul> *is actually already taking notes*
[03:56] <OvenWerks> pushing now
[03:57] <eylul> thanks
[03:58] <OvenWerks> I also forgot to update Authors...
[03:58] <OvenWerks>  Ohwell
[03:58] <OvenWerks> And it failed... 
[03:58] <eylul> hahhaa
[03:58] <eylul> well we can always add to authors etc later
[03:59] <eylul> it failed through?
[04:02] <eylul> I think I am going to crash
[04:02] <eylul> its 7am here
[04:02] <OvenWerks> done
[04:02] <eylul> oh
[04:03] <eylul> phiew
[04:03] <eylul> thanks :) 
[04:03] <OvenWerks> I had to use --overwrite
[04:04] <OvenWerks>  now to add the AUTHOR lines
[04:05] <eylul> : also 
[04:05] <eylul> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/trunk/view/head:/debian/copyright
[04:05] <eylul> *ducks the incoming object*
[04:07] <eylul> ^ ovenwerks 
[04:07] <OvenWerks> Ya..
[04:09] <eylul> at some point maybe we can somehow consolidate these multiple copyright/author informations into one?
[04:09] <eylul> unless there is a specific reason for multiple copies to exist
[04:11] <OvenWerks> It should be ready to release... Ross?
[04:12] <OvenWerks> Now I get to fix -settings
[04:12] <eylul> I don't think he is on channel
[04:12] <OvenWerks> I know...
[04:12] <OvenWerks> I have about 10 min left before I pick my Yf up from work.
[04:14] <eylul> thanks so much
[04:18] <OvenWerks> settings done too
[04:18] <eylul> \o/
[04:19]  * OvenWerks is off to rescue tired Yf (who worked overtime today0
[04:19] <eylul> oh wow
[04:20] <eylul> bye. *is off to sleep*
[04:20] <eylul> gnight
[08:29] <slidinghorn> Just wanted to stop in and volunteer to help wherever I can. Heard y'all might be a little short-handed, and this is a distro/spin that speaks to my needs.  I figure it'd be the best place for me to devote my time
[10:16] <krytarik> OvenWerks: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/u/ubuntustudio-look/ubuntustudio-look_0.54/changelog - now, either one of us could update the changelog in the repo to match the one of the last release, and move the new entries to a new section.
[10:22] <krytarik> (I'm fine if you want to correct it yourself, but I also wouldn't have a problem doing it.)
[13:15] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Well, I got inclined fiddling with it, and so I just pushed it, too.
[13:34] <krytarik> Also updated the daily builds for -look and -default-settings
[13:35] <krytarik> (Means updated the series to build for mostly.)
[13:40] <OvenWerks> slidinghorn: Thank you. Also thank you for helping in #ubuntustudio.
[13:40] <OvenWerks> krytarik: I had lready gone to bed...sorry
[13:41] <krytarik> Well, of course, figured it should be early over there. :)
[20:15] <slidinghorn> If I wanted to attempt to help maintain a package, would it be more advisable to have an Ubuntu Studio VM and do it there?