| acheronuk | clive wanted to at one point. did not gain much support | 00:09 |
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| MichaelTunnell | interesting | 03:38 |
| valorie | Clive wanted it, but didn't want to do the programming -- and neither did anybody else | 03:39 |
| valorie | it probably could be forked from Mate..... if we wanted it | 03:40 |
| MichaelTunnell | I understand. It would be cool to have but not vital. I wonder how much work it would be to use kdialog and scripts instead. | 03:48 |
| valorie | about that I have no clue | 04:12 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> About the welcome center, I can take that project. | 04:29 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> I've been working with Budgie on the concept for something. | 04:30 |
| valorie | do you think we need it? | 04:32 |
| valorie | I would find it annoying | 04:33 |
| valorie | but maybe newcomers would like it | 04:33 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> For newcomers, yeah. | 04:34 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> I'd find it to be good. | 04:34 |
| MichaelTunnell | I think it would be very helpful for beginners because it is essentially an OEM style setup without relying solely on the OEM approach. It also provides a "let's start here" place. | 04:36 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Right. | 04:37 |
| valorie | cool | 04:37 |
| MichaelTunnell | it would be annoying to experienced users maybe but they can just dismiss it once and ignore it forever :) | 04:37 |
| ricktimmis[m] | I really think we should introduce a welcome centre. We really need to take every opportunity to grow our community. | 07:20 |
| acheronuk | I'm sure I agreed last time, but it did not get taken up. I am for it, as long as it is genuinely useful. | 07:22 |
| acheronuk | As far as I recall there is no prohibition from introducing new packages into an LTS release, even after we ship the .0, so maybe this is something that could arrive in the .1? | 07:24 |
| ricktimmis[m] | OK, sounds great, I be happy to help on this, perhaps with content, suggestions, testing etc.. | 08:18 |
| ricktimmis[m] | @tsimonq2 hope your feeling better. happy to help work on welcome centre with you. | 08:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, New packages in a stable release gets *weird*, and I haven't done it before, so it should be fine. | 09:56 |
| ricktimmis[m] | @MichaelTunnell are you planning to do a review / expose about the release on Tuxdigital ? | 10:31 |
| mparillo | For a welcome page, a key is to have an option to turn it off at startup. https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-hello has a slider in the lower right for Launch at start, but new KDE users may not realize the upstream default is to restore all programs at start. | 10:39 |
| mparillo | https://imgur.com/a/A3Hfq | 10:40 |
| ricktimmis[m] | That's an excellent idea | 10:42 |
| tsimonq2 | Right. | 10:43 |
| tsimonq2 | But, do note that manjaro-hello is based off of GTK. | 10:43 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Creating a welcome page gives us the chance to co-ordinate or channels of communication. | 10:43 |
| tsimonq2 | Right, I totally see the use for it. | 10:43 |
| ricktimmis[m] | How about a plasmoid | 10:43 |
| tsimonq2 | -1 | 10:43 |
| ricktimmis[m] | That would give the user the ability to just remove it | 10:44 |
| tsimonq2 | My goal in working with Budgie (and ofc Lubuntu) is so that we can create one codebase and one frontend with different text. | 10:44 |
| ricktimmis[m] | OK, what about a welcome activity ? | 10:44 |
| tsimonq2 | It should be a dialog, really. | 10:44 |
| ricktimmis[m] | They both QT based ? | 10:44 |
| tsimonq2 | But both are Plasma-specific, which I want to avoid here. | 10:45 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Ummmm. I am not sure about dialog | 10:45 |
| tsimonq2 | Well, window, you get what I mean. | 10:45 |
| ricktimmis[m] | We've often talked about promoting activities | 10:45 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Why avoid plasma ? | 10:46 |
| tsimonq2 | So we can work with others. | 10:46 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm not saying it can't work under Plasma, I'm just saying it shouldn't be Plasma-specific. | 10:46 |
| tsimonq2 | It should be pure Qt code. | 10:46 |
| tsimonq2 | And a window, similar to what MATE has. | 10:46 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Plasms, activities and plasmoids or core to kubuntu | 10:46 |
| tsimonq2 | On the flipside of that, why create something *only* Kubuntu can enjoy? | 10:47 |
| tsimonq2 | LXQt and Budgie don't and won't utilize those technologies. | 10:47 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm not saying it can't be integrated. | 10:47 |
| ricktimmis[m] | OK, how could we approach it so as to enable plasma, but still make a shared viewable code base. For the other stuff ? | 10:47 |
| tsimonq2 | But the core parts should be agnostic. | 10:47 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Ok, so we want the vie en components separate from the models and data | 10:48 |
| tsimonq2 | My approach, should I work on this would be agnosticism first, then allow specific flavors to do what they'd like. | 10:48 |
| tsimonq2 | Right, sort of. | 10:48 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Then we could interfaces with the data from a plasmoid, Lxde and budgie do their thing | 10:49 |
| tsimonq2 | Exactly. | 10:49 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll sprint with Dustin from Budgie at LFNW in < 2 weeks. | 10:49 |
| tsimonq2 | (Like I planned to before. :) ) | 10:50 |
| ricktimmis[m] | OK what about a qml front end | 10:50 |
| tsimonq2 | It depends on what Dustin is familiar with, as I'd like one person from each flavor to be able to work on it without "language barriers" | 10:50 |
| ricktimmis[m] | OK, well maybe you guys to consider the vie component in the context of us wrapping it in a plasmoid | 10:51 |
| tsimonq2 | OK | 10:51 |
| ricktimmis[m] | I'd be c willing to work on a plasmoid wrapper | 10:51 |
| tsimonq2 | OK | 10:51 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Let me know how you get on and give me a nudge when you think I could do in and help | 10:52 |
| tsimonq2 | Sure. | 10:52 |
| ricktimmis[m] | If you have a shared working repo, on Phab, Launchpad etc.. please let me know, and I can take a look | 12:06 |
| tsimonq2 | OK | 12:09 |
| MichaelTunnell | ricktimmis[m]: not only am I doing a video for Kubuntu 18.04, I am also making a promo video for the release that Kubuntu can use to promote all the great stuff with the release. | 13:51 |
| ricktimmis[m] | Oh that is Awesome @MichaelTunnell I can't wait to see what you put together. | 14:26 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> valorie: Did you get bad snow like we did last night? | 15:24 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> An inch an hour all night, probably a good 14 hours! | 15:24 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> And it's starting up again tonight, ughh | 15:25 |
| MichaelTunnell | ricktimmis[m]: :) me too | 16:09 |
| MichaelTunnell | I plan to do a Kubuntu promo video that is similar to the Plasma release videos I've been doing. I also am going to make a video for Kubuntu 18.04 that is an on-camera "so here is what is coming and how I was involved in it" type of video | 16:10 |
| valorie | snow! heck no | 20:02 |
| valorie | rain here | 20:02 |
| valorie | https://cukic.co/2018/04/14/plasma-vault-with-kde-connect-and-more/ | 20:02 |
| valorie | for 18.10 | 20:05 |
| tsimonq2 | valorie: hah well I look forward to going to a place with NO SNOW! | 20:07 |
| valorie | we had a few inches of snow this winter | 20:10 |
| valorie | it was fun | 20:10 |
| valorie | but it never lasts | 20:10 |
| tsimonq2 | hah | 20:12 |
| valorie | btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-November/010864.html and following | 20:12 |
| valorie | clive pointed out to me privately that he did fork code from Mint | 20:13 |
| tsimonq2 | Ah | 20:13 |
| valorie | https://i.imgur.com/Pb7uCTj.jpg | 20:13 |
| valorie | I totally forgot about that | 20:13 |
| tsimonq2 | I would like to work with others though. | 20:13 |
| valorie | agreed | 20:14 |
| tsimonq2 | And Mint's codebases are horrible. | 20:14 |
| valorie | just wanted to make people aware that there has been some work done on this | 20:14 |
| valorie | and that there was pushback | 20:14 |
| valorie | which is why he stopped | 20:14 |
| tsimonq2 | valorie: Only one person pushed back with historical context. | 20:15 |
| tsimonq2 | I see no reason that it should block further progress, however. | 20:16 |
| valorie | Clive was somewhat conflict-averse | 20:16 |
| valorie | I think pushback just tends to make ideas better | 20:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> I think doing it in QML and Qt would be best. | 20:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <ahoneybun> Python as well. | 20:47 |
| MichaelTunnell | I think pushback is needed for innovation | 20:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> Sorry for being blunt, but you won't be the one writing it? :) | 20:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <tsimonq2> @MichaelTunnell, Right | 20:47 |
| tsimonq2 | It'll be with Qt | 20:47 |
| MichaelTunnell | tsimonq2: you should write it in COBOL | 20:48 |
| tsimonq2 | MichaelTunnell: Naw, Fortran. | 20:48 |
| MichaelTunnell | fair | 20:48 |
| tsimonq2 | I hear there's Qt bindings! | 20:48 |
| MichaelTunnell | I wouldnt be surprised .. . .programming can be weird | 20:48 |
| * acheronuk looks up his old fortran stuff | 20:49 | |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 20:49 |
| valorie | I have a friend who makes a living with COBOL | 20:49 |
| valorie | in France | 20:49 |
| valorie | for banks and insurance firms | 20:50 |
| tsimonq2 | hah | 20:50 |
| valorie | lol | 20:50 |
| acheronuk | who is emailing about out LTS status? | 20:51 |
| * tsimonq2 pokes valorie | 20:51 | |
| tsimonq2 | GPG sign it please. | 20:51 |
| valorie | oh | 20:51 |
| valorie | maybe I can do that..... | 20:52 |
| valorie | right now, talking with said french friend | 20:52 |
| valorie | in a bit I will investigate | 20:52 |
| acheronuk | https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8c4m07/kde_and_ubuntu/ | 21:02 |
| acheronuk | good comments | 21:02 |
| tsimonq2 | \o/ | 21:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Oooh, peruse was just accepted into Debian. \o/ | 21:03 |
| valorie | weeeeeeeeeeeeee | 21:03 |
| valorie | thanks so much for everyone who worked on that | 21:03 |
| valorie | looooong process! | 21:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Meh, it was mostly just me procrastinating ;) | 21:04 |
| acheronuk | silly bit of code | 21:04 |
| tsimonq2 | Imeanwhat | 21:04 |
| tsimonq2 | acheronuk: True | 21:04 |
| acheronuk | one lib. so much debate | 21:04 |
| acheronuk | so a *bleep* leaf package. sigh | 21:04 |
| tsimonq2 | acheronuk: Are you thinking this is latte-dock? :) | 21:05 |
| acheronuk | argh. no. but that was another! | 21:06 |
| tsimonq2 | hah | 21:06 |
| tsimonq2 | Well with this one, upstream doesn't know how to do library management correctly. | 21:06 |
| tsimonq2 | And poor tsimonq2 never had to deal with improper upstream library management. | 21:06 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 21:06 |
| acheronuk | elisa is being done. I looked at the wip packaging. O_o | 21:06 |
| valorie | does it work yet? | 21:07 |
| tsimonq2 | Is it bad? :) | 21:07 |
| tsimonq2 | A newbie packager took that one. | 21:07 |
| valorie | doesn't seem worthwhile to do until it works | 21:07 |
| tsimonq2 | (Well, a new*er* packager) | 21:07 |
| acheronuk | valorie: it works. as much as a preview release might | 21:07 |
| valorie | to like, play music? | 21:08 |
| acheronuk | valorie: it is in here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/experimental | 21:08 |
| acheronuk | it plays it | 21:08 |
| tsimonq2 | peruse> Ah, and ofc lamby files an RC bug against it. Sigh. :P | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | Debian bug 895699 | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | No bot in here? O_O | 21:09 |
| tsimonq2 | bugs.debian.org/895699 | 21:09 |
| valorie | we're still not registered correctly | 21:09 |
| acheronuk | elisa plays music. just the UI is still more about looking nice. not so good with funtion | 21:10 |
| valorie | didn't vish sign the fla assigning the ev rights to his code attribution? | 21:10 |
| valorie | hmmm | 21:10 |
| valorie | he did: https://ev.kde.org/rules/fla.php | 21:11 |
| tsimonq2 | "Copyright assignment is a personal act. It is entirely optional and at an individual developer, contributor or copyright holder's discretion whether to assign copyright to KDE e.V. or not." | 21:12 |
| tsimonq2 | "Valorie Zimmermann (1.3.4)" | 21:13 |
| tsimonq2 | They spelled your name wrong, valorie. :P | 21:13 |
| valorie | ha | 21:19 |
| valorie | I think the FLA spells out that if copyright needs to be changed and the person can't be contacted the FLA kicks in | 21:20 |
| valorie | anyway | 21:20 |
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