[00:09] <acheronuk> clive wanted to at one point. did not gain much support
[03:38] <MichaelTunnell> interesting
[03:39] <valorie> Clive wanted it, but didn't want to do the programming -- and neither did anybody else
[03:40] <valorie> it probably could be forked from Mate..... if we wanted it
[03:48] <MichaelTunnell> I understand. It would be cool to have but not vital. I wonder how much work it would be to use kdialog and scripts instead.
[04:12] <valorie> about that I have no clue
 About the welcome center, I can take that project.
 I've been working with Budgie on the concept for something.
[04:32] <valorie> do you think we need it?
[04:33] <valorie> I would find it annoying
[04:33] <valorie> but maybe newcomers would like it
 For newcomers, yeah.
 I'd find it to be good.
[04:36] <MichaelTunnell> I think it would be very helpful for beginners because it is essentially an OEM style setup without relying solely on the OEM approach. It also provides a "let's start here" place.
 Right.
[04:37] <valorie> cool
[04:37] <MichaelTunnell> it would be annoying to experienced users maybe but they can just dismiss it once and ignore it forever :)
[07:20] <ricktimmis[m]> I really think we should introduce a welcome centre. We really need to take every opportunity to grow our community.
[07:22] <acheronuk> I'm sure I agreed last time, but it did not get taken up. I am for it, as long as it is genuinely useful.
[07:24] <acheronuk> As far as I recall there is no prohibition from introducing new packages into an LTS release, even after we ship the .0, so maybe this is something that could arrive in the .1?
[08:18] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, sounds great, I be happy to help on this, perhaps with content, suggestions, testing etc..
[08:21] <ricktimmis[m]> @tsimonq2 hope your feeling better. happy to help work on welcome centre with you.
 @acheronuk, New packages in a stable release gets *weird*, and I haven't done it before, so it should be fine.
[10:31] <ricktimmis[m]> @MichaelTunnell are you planning to do a review / expose about the release on Tuxdigital ?
[10:39] <mparillo> For a welcome page, a key is to have an option to turn it off at startup. https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-hello has a slider in the lower right for Launch at start, but new KDE users may not realize the upstream default is to restore all programs at start.
[10:40] <mparillo> https://imgur.com/a/A3Hfq
[10:42] <ricktimmis[m]> That's an excellent idea
[10:43] <tsimonq2> Right.
[10:43] <tsimonq2> But, do note that manjaro-hello is based off of GTK.
[10:43] <ricktimmis[m]> Creating a welcome page gives us the chance to co-ordinate or channels of communication.
[10:43] <tsimonq2> Right, I totally see the use for it.
[10:43] <ricktimmis[m]> How about a plasmoid
[10:43] <tsimonq2> -1
[10:44] <ricktimmis[m]> That would give the user the ability to just remove it
[10:44] <tsimonq2> My goal in working with Budgie (and ofc Lubuntu) is so that we can create one codebase and one frontend with different text.
[10:44] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, what about a welcome activity ?
[10:44] <tsimonq2> It should be a dialog, really.
[10:44] <ricktimmis[m]> They both QT based ?
[10:45] <tsimonq2> But both are Plasma-specific, which I want to avoid here.
[10:45] <ricktimmis[m]> Ummmm. I am not sure about dialog
[10:45] <tsimonq2> Well, window, you get what I mean.
[10:45] <ricktimmis[m]> We've often talked about promoting activities
[10:46] <ricktimmis[m]> Why avoid plasma ?
[10:46] <tsimonq2> So we can work with others.
[10:46] <tsimonq2> I'm not saying it can't work under Plasma, I'm just saying it shouldn't be Plasma-specific.
[10:46] <tsimonq2> It should be pure Qt code.
[10:46] <tsimonq2> And a window, similar to what MATE has.
[10:46] <ricktimmis[m]> Plasms, activities and plasmoids or core to kubuntu
[10:47] <tsimonq2> On the flipside of that, why create something *only* Kubuntu can enjoy?
[10:47] <tsimonq2> LXQt and Budgie don't and won't utilize those technologies.
[10:47] <tsimonq2> I'm not saying it can't be integrated.
[10:47] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, how could we approach it so as to enable plasma, but still make a shared viewable code base. For the other stuff ?
[10:47] <tsimonq2> But the core parts should be agnostic.
[10:48] <ricktimmis[m]> Ok, so we want the vie en components separate from the models and data
[10:48] <tsimonq2> My approach, should I work on this would be agnosticism first, then allow specific flavors to do what they'd like.
[10:48] <tsimonq2> Right, sort of.
[10:49] <ricktimmis[m]> Then we could interfaces with the data from a plasmoid, Lxde and budgie do their thing
[10:49] <tsimonq2> Exactly.
[10:49] <tsimonq2> I'll sprint with Dustin from Budgie at LFNW in < 2 weeks.
[10:50] <tsimonq2> (Like I planned to before. :) )
[10:50] <ricktimmis[m]> OK what about a qml front end
[10:50] <tsimonq2> It depends on what Dustin is familiar with, as I'd like one person from each flavor to be able to work on it without "language barriers"
[10:51] <ricktimmis[m]> OK, well maybe you guys to consider the vie component in the context of us wrapping it in a plasmoid
[10:51] <tsimonq2> OK
[10:51] <ricktimmis[m]> I'd be c willing to work on a plasmoid wrapper
[10:51] <tsimonq2> OK
[10:52] <ricktimmis[m]> Let me know how you get on and give me a nudge when you think I could do in and help
[10:52] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[12:06] <ricktimmis[m]> If you  have a shared working repo, on Phab, Launchpad etc.. please let me know, and I can take a look
[12:09] <tsimonq2> OK
[13:51] <MichaelTunnell> ricktimmis[m]: not only am I doing a video for Kubuntu 18.04, I am also making a promo video for the release that Kubuntu can use to promote all the great stuff with the release.
[14:26] <ricktimmis[m]> Oh that is Awesome @MichaelTunnell I can't wait to see what you put together.
 valorie: Did you get bad snow like we did last night?
 An inch an hour all night, probably a good 14 hours!
 And it's starting up again tonight, ughh
[16:09] <MichaelTunnell> ricktimmis[m]: :) me too
[16:10] <MichaelTunnell> I plan to do a Kubuntu promo video that is similar to the Plasma release videos I've been doing. I also am going to make a video for Kubuntu 18.04 that is an on-camera "so here is what is coming and how I was involved in it" type of video
[20:02] <valorie> snow! heck no
[20:02] <valorie> rain here
[20:02] <valorie> https://cukic.co/2018/04/14/plasma-vault-with-kde-connect-and-more/
[20:05] <valorie> for 18.10
[20:07] <tsimonq2> valorie: hah well I look forward to going to a place with NO SNOW!
[20:10] <valorie> we had a few inches of snow this winter
[20:10] <valorie> it was fun
[20:10] <valorie> but it never lasts
[20:12] <tsimonq2> hah
[20:12] <valorie> btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-November/010864.html and following
[20:13] <valorie> clive pointed out to me privately that he did fork code from Mint
[20:13] <tsimonq2> Ah
[20:13] <valorie> https://i.imgur.com/Pb7uCTj.jpg
[20:13] <valorie> I totally forgot about that
[20:13] <tsimonq2> I would like to work with others though.
[20:14] <valorie> agreed
[20:14] <tsimonq2> And Mint's codebases are horrible.
[20:14] <valorie> just wanted to make people aware that there has been some work done on this
[20:14] <valorie> and that there was pushback
[20:14] <valorie> which is why he stopped
[20:15] <tsimonq2> valorie: Only one person pushed back with historical context.
[20:16] <tsimonq2> I see no reason that it should block further progress, however.
[20:16] <valorie> Clive was somewhat conflict-averse
[20:16] <valorie> I think pushback just tends to make ideas better
 I think doing it in QML and Qt would be best.
 Python as well.
[20:47] <MichaelTunnell> I think pushback is needed for innovation
 Sorry for being blunt, but you won't be the one writing it? :)
 @MichaelTunnell, Right
[20:47] <tsimonq2> It'll be with Qt
[20:48] <MichaelTunnell> tsimonq2: you should write it in COBOL
[20:48] <tsimonq2> MichaelTunnell: Naw, Fortran.
[20:48] <MichaelTunnell> fair
[20:48] <tsimonq2> I hear there's Qt bindings!
[20:48] <MichaelTunnell> I wouldnt be surprised .. . .programming can be weird
[20:49]  * acheronuk looks up his old fortran stuff
[20:49] <tsimonq2> :D
[20:49] <valorie> I have a friend who makes a living with COBOL
[20:49] <valorie> in France
[20:50] <valorie> for banks and insurance firms
[20:50] <tsimonq2> hah
[20:50] <valorie> lol
[20:51] <acheronuk> who is emailing about out LTS status?
[20:51]  * tsimonq2 pokes valorie 
[20:51] <tsimonq2> GPG sign it please.
[20:51] <valorie> oh
[20:52] <valorie> maybe I can do that.....
[20:52] <valorie> right now, talking with said french friend
[20:52] <valorie> in a bit I will investigate
[21:02] <acheronuk> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8c4m07/kde_and_ubuntu/
[21:02] <acheronuk> good comments
[21:03] <tsimonq2> \o/
[21:03] <tsimonq2> Oooh, peruse was just accepted into Debian. \o/
[21:03] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:03] <valorie> thanks so much for everyone who worked on that
[21:03] <valorie> looooong process!
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Meh, it was mostly just me procrastinating ;)
[21:04] <acheronuk> silly bit of code
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Imeanwhat
[21:04] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: True
[21:04] <acheronuk> one lib. so much debate
[21:04] <acheronuk> so a *bleep* leaf package. sigh
[21:05] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Are you thinking this is latte-dock? :)
[21:06] <acheronuk> argh. no. but that was another!
[21:06] <tsimonq2> hah
[21:06] <tsimonq2> Well with this one, upstream doesn't know how to do library management correctly.
[21:06] <tsimonq2> And poor tsimonq2 never had to deal with improper upstream library management.
[21:06] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:06] <acheronuk> elisa is being done. I looked at the wip packaging. O_o
[21:07] <valorie> does it work yet?
[21:07] <tsimonq2> Is it bad? :)
[21:07] <tsimonq2> A newbie packager took that one.
[21:07] <valorie> doesn't seem worthwhile to do until it works
[21:07] <tsimonq2> (Well, a new*er* packager)
[21:07] <acheronuk> valorie: it works. as much as a preview release might
[21:08] <valorie> to like, play music?
[21:08] <acheronuk> valorie: it is in here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[21:08] <acheronuk> it plays it
[21:09] <tsimonq2> peruse> Ah, and ofc lamby files an RC bug against it. Sigh. :P
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Debian bug 895699
[21:09] <tsimonq2> No bot in here? O_O
[21:09] <tsimonq2> bugs.debian.org/895699
[21:09] <valorie> we're still not registered correctly
[21:10] <acheronuk> elisa plays music. just the UI is still more about looking nice. not so good with funtion
[21:10] <valorie> didn't vish sign the fla assigning the ev rights to his code attribution?
[21:10] <valorie> hmmm
[21:11] <valorie> he did: https://ev.kde.org/rules/fla.php
[21:12] <tsimonq2> "Copyright assignment is a personal act. It is entirely optional and at an individual developer, contributor or copyright holder's discretion whether to assign copyright to KDE e.V. or not."
[21:13] <tsimonq2> "Valorie Zimmermann (1.3.4)"
[21:13] <tsimonq2> They spelled your name wrong, valorie. :P
[21:19] <valorie> ha
[21:20] <valorie> I think the FLA spells out that if copyright needs to be changed and the person can't be contacted the FLA kicks in
[21:20] <valorie> anyway