[07:23] <ducasse> do the bionic server images now use the new installer? if so, are images with the old one still available?
[07:30] <flocculant> ducasse: as far as I know they use subiquity yes. Also pretty sure that any of the daily builds are overwritten - know for sure with desktop iso's can't imagine server would be different
[07:34] <ducasse> what about the old installer? will there still be images using it?
[07:34] <flocculant> what old installer?
[07:34] <flocculant> oic
[07:35] <flocculant> I guess that whatever server image pre subiquity will still likely be using it 
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !info subiquity
[07:35] <flocculant> morning lotuspsychje :)
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !info subiquity xenial
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> ahar
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> morning flocculant :p
[07:37] <ducasse> maybe the lubuntu alternate image will still use the debian installer, i'll check
[09:05] <lapaga> hello - when I try and launch gnome-boxes it crashes- will cut and paste what it says in 2 parts so don't get +q
[09:06] <lapaga> (gnome-boxes:10377): Boxes-WARNING **: 02:03:20.114: wizard-source.vala:444: Failed to find OS with ID 'http://fedoraproject.org/fedora/27': Unknown OS ID 'http://fedoraproject.org/fedora/27'
[09:06] <ducasse> !paste | lapaga 
[09:07] <lapaga> the problem is that i am not running fedora
[09:08] <lapaga> I got boxes from the software center
[09:22] <SCHAPiE> g'mornin
[11:24] <krytarik> ducasse: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-April/000230.html - this talks about the server image changes a bit.
[11:43] <ducasse> krytarik: thanks a lot
[11:59] <blackflow> Is auto-suspend reverted in Bionic? The ReleaseNotes still mention it under New Since 17.10 for Desktop.
[12:37] <guardian> hello what kind of modifications will happen (based on experience) between final freeze and release?
[12:37] <tsimonq2> guardian: Very little.
[12:38] <tsimonq2> Final Freeze is a time where any package uploads go through thorough manual checking.
[12:38] <tsimonq2> Anything that doesn't land for the release is then SRUed.
[12:39] <tsimonq2> So while it's not *perfect*, it is certainly a time where we're focused on stability.
[12:43] <guardian> is there a way to see what's left before final freeze?
[12:44] <guardian> I'm home alone, tempted to install right now :D
[12:44] <tsimonq2> guardian: I think it's "first come first serve" on updates -- we have no set list.
[12:44] <tsimonq2> Although https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/bionic-changes will show further uploads.
[12:47] <guardian> thanks
[14:04] <katnip> someone posted this in the main channel, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15.17/ , would it be safe to install one of these in 18.04 yet?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> katnip: if its mainline, you can always try if it doesnt work, go back to previous kernel?
[14:07] <katnip> okay
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> katnip: but look at it this way, if your current kernel works good, why goto latest?
[14:09] <katnip> i was just wondering since it was in the main channel is all :) i'm not gonna do it, i have the proposed one now
[14:10] <katnip> 4.15.0-15-generic
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> cool
[14:10] <katnip> :)
[14:10] <hggdh> katnip: please be aware that the Ubuntu kernel version string does not match upstream
[14:11] <katnip> yeah i just read that on the link provided on that page
[14:12] <katnip> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[14:13] <hggdh> katnip: you can cat /proc/version_signature, and that will give you the (currently running) Ubuntu kernel version, and the base upstream version
[14:14] <katnip> Ubuntu 4.15.0-15.16-generic 4.15.15
[14:31] <lapaga> is it ok to ask a question here if you asked in another channel and have had no answer?
[14:31] <veebox> dont ask to ask just ask
[14:32] <hggdh> lapaga: yes. What is not OK is to simultaneously ask the same question on multiple channels
[14:32] <lapaga> i have been trying to install gnome-boxes and this is what i get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mK4tPrYTXV/
[14:41] <hggdh> lapaga: what is your Ubuntu version, and where did you get gnome-boxes?
[14:41] <lapaga> using ubuntu-mate 18.04 and got it via apt
[14:41] <hggdh> what is the package name?
[14:42] <lapaga> how do i find out?
[14:43] <lapaga> as far as I know the package name is gnome-boxes
[14:44] <hggdh> lapaga: dpkg -l gnome-boxes
[14:45] <lapaga> 3.28.1-1 is the version number
[14:46] <hggdh> yeah
[14:46] <hggdh> I found debian bug 804291 matching your result
[14:47] <lapaga> guess I will wait then
[14:49] <hggdh> yes. There is also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1448891
[14:51] <hggdh> lapaga: there is also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1461646#c7 -- this suggests something in the linked bug allowed the poster to bypass the issue
[14:52] <lapaga> everything is pointing to fedora but i was going to try xubuntu
[14:53] <katnip> opensuse tumbleweed isnt bad
[14:53] <hggdh> as far as I can understand every distro using this version of gnome-boxes has the same problem.
[14:57] <lapaga> i have nothing in images ... oh well
[14:59] <lapaga> guess i will stick with vbox for now
[15:00] <katnip> https://news.softpedia.com/news/gnome-3-28-desktop-gets-first-point-release-it-s-ready-for-mass-deployment-520682.shtml
[15:21] <simonizor> So uh... any reason that a broken, unpatched version of libfreetype6 is being used in an LTS release?
[15:21] <simonizor> The version that is being shipped with 18.04 has font rendering issues
[15:23] <simonizor> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/96230043209981952/434424537967362068/unknown.png
[15:23] <simonizor> That is caused by unpatched libfreetype6 >= 2.8.1
[15:25] <simonizor> I had kinda hoped someone would realize that by now, but apparently no one thought to test Electron apps and/or look at other distros bug reports for libfreetype6
[15:51] <simonizor> There's even a bug report from Debian for this that no one looked at lol https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=882986
[16:12] <brainwash> simonizor: I suggest forwarding this bug to the upstream devs of libfreetype6
[16:14] <brainwash> simonizor: oh. didn't read the whole thing
[16:14] <brainwash> I guess in this case you should create a bug report on launchpad
[16:14] <brainwash> maybe the patch can be backported
[16:44] <simonizor> This bug report has a bit more info https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=878834
[16:44] <simonizor> Marked as resolved, but not actually resolved
[16:50] <slidinghorn> ayy simonizor fancy seeing you here
[16:50] <slidinghorn> (brassman from the discord)
[17:20] <bodie__> is there a bug for tor browser performance regression on ubuntu 18.04?  
[17:21] <bodie__> I've installed it from the main site's download installer, so perhaps there's a ubuntu-specific way to install it?
[17:57] <brainwash> bodie__: it's not in the ubuntu repos
[17:58] <brainwash> oh. there is torbrowser-launcher actually
[17:59] <brainwash> but that is just a launcher which will download the tor browser
[17:59] <brainwash> bodie__: best to contact the tor browser devs
[18:16] <lol768> can someone tell me which version of libcairo bionic beaver is using?
[18:17] <lol768> if I am to trust Launchpad... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/libcairo2-dev/1.15.10-2?
[18:18] <slidinghorn> lol768: that's what shows up in my repos
[18:18] <lol768> I am a little confused, is bionic using a development version?
[18:18] <lol768> https://www.cairographics.org/releases/ suggests latest is 1.14.12
[18:22] <slidinghorn> lol768: Just looking at the changelog listings I see 1.15.12
[18:23] <lol768> can you find an archive for it though?
[18:23] <lol768> all I see are the Ruby bindings (rcairo)
[18:25] <simonizor> lol768: lern2packagesite https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libcairo&searchon=names&suite=bionic&section=all
[18:25] <lol768> that .. doesn't answer my question :P
[18:25] <simonizor> It does
[18:26] <simonizor> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libcairo2
[18:26] <lol768> I guess I should ask the cairo folks, but I'm still unclear on whether 1.15.12 has actually been released or not
[18:26] <simonizor> "Package: libcairo2 (1.15.10-2)"
[18:26] <simonizor> Like I said, lern2packagesite :P
[18:27] <lol768> Again, please read my previous messages :P
[18:27] <lol768> The tar archive does _not_ exist on upstream's site
[18:27] <simonizor> >  can someone tell me which version of libcairo bionic beaver is using?
[18:27] <lol768> That was messages - plural
[18:27] <simonizor> The source archives are also linked there
[18:28] <simonizor> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cairo/cairo_1.15.10.orig.tar.xz
[18:28] <simonizor> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cairo/cairo_1.15.10-2.debian.tar.xz
[18:28] <lol768> Sure
[18:28] <lol768> does that correspond to a specific upstream cairo release?
[18:29] <simonizor> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/c/cairo/cairo_1.15.10-2/changelog
[18:29] <simonizor> Again, from the package site
[18:30] <lol768> so it's based off a development version?
[21:05] <bodie__> it looks like the performance issue is actually firefox, not tor, and I didn't notice because I've been using nightly.
[21:05] <bodie__> I have ff 59 and it's making the desktop performance (including e.g. switching panes) really really slow.
[21:09] <brainwash> bodie__: and that's an issue specific to 18.04?
[21:09] <bodie__> no clue
[21:09] <bodie__> I never use normal firefox.... going to dig in now.  it makes everything unusably slow, so I can't use tor
[21:09] <bodie__> (browser)
[21:11] <brainwash> isn't the tor project using firefox ESR though?
[21:11] <brainwash> that being firefox 52 ESR
[21:15] <bodie__> right, so I'm thinking that whatever is causing the normal ff to be absurdly slow is also impacting torbrowser
[21:16] <bodie__> it's so slow that it makes my wm pause for 5-10 seconds just to switch out of the desktop ff resides in
[23:13] <tomreyn> look at about:performance
[23:36] <BionicMac> tor firefox 52.7.3 is my tor-browser ff version. I use the launcher and it grabs the latest stable browser.
[23:37] <BionicMac> Works great here. No issues.
[23:43] <BionicMac> hmm new kernel today 
[23:45] <mattfly> hi
[23:45] <mattfly> anyone experiencing a lot of lag
[23:46] <BionicMac> irc lag?
[23:46] <valorie> !lag
[23:46] <valorie> :-)
[23:47] <BionicMac> No lag here. But I can see you slowing down. =)
[23:51] <mattfly> no
[23:51] <mattfly> i was out 
[23:52] <mattfly> usually i get no replies i wasnt expecting this to happen 😂
[23:52] <mattfly> I have lag on ubuntu
[23:52] <mattfly> gnome-shell, kde, even i3 windows manager
[23:52] <mattfly> some applications simply get stuck, any application
[23:52] <mattfly> like if there was some lag
[23:53] <BionicMac> mattfly: You mean the OS itself is lagging. Not here. It's greased lightning.
[23:53] <mattfly> you are in what flavor?
[23:53] <mattfly> gnome shell flavor
[23:53] <mattfly> ?
[23:53] <mattfly> what about this gnome-shell memory leak
[23:54] <BionicMac> Kubuntu and/or Unity ( I have a partition for each. )
[23:54] <mattfly> and seriously? you havent had any lag? do you have a gpu and its drivers installed? what kernel is it?
[23:54] <BionicMac> None lag in either flavor.
[23:54] <mattfly> kubuntu is so crazilly lag to me 
[23:54] <mattfly> what are you using
[23:54] <mattfly> daily?
[23:54] <BionicMac> I've been running them for a few weeks.
[23:54] <mattfly> me too but it gets odly bad sometimes
[23:54] <mattfly> are you able to hibernate?
[23:55] <BionicMac> Well es. Last install I did from scratch was Beta 2 iso. Now I update with apt-get every day. So yes, I am running daily.
[23:56] <BionicMac> mattfly: hibernate is a different story.
[23:56] <mattfly> apt upgrade?
[23:56] <mattfly> hibernation never works to me
[23:56] <BionicMac> I've tried it once since I installed 18.04 and ... same as always in Linx for me. Crash stuck freeze. Linux & Hibernate is a crap shoot.
[23:56] <mattfly> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/667833
[23:57] <mattfly> on 17.10 it was working perfectly
[23:57] <mattfly> taking like 10 seconds to hibernate and like 30 to restore
[23:57] <mattfly> I have an ssd and 16gb of ram and a nvidia gtx 150ti
[23:58] <BionicMac> Oh yeah. Vivaldi installed with apt is good to go. !@! 
[23:59] <mattfly> wow i didnt know
[23:59] <BionicMac> You have to add the repos but yeah. 
[23:59] <mattfly> aw
[23:59] <BionicMac> not official 
[23:59] <mattfly> i use firefox
[23:59] <mattfly> i got used with haveing ajust 4gb ram and now im closing tabs and closing all i can but i have 16 now