[00:00] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: you still didn't answer the question.  Is that because you know it proves that your whole point in this argument is flawed at its most basic level?
[00:00] <bugzbunny> I can guarantee that
[00:00] <bugzbunny> s/can/can't/
[00:01] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: Follow me in the room and make you own judgement
[00:02] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: I don't have to, because I already know the answer.  You'll be told that Perl is off topic there, and they'll point you to the appropriate channel
[00:02] <slidinghorn> it's almost as if channels have purposes, and off-topic conversations detract from those purposes *gasp*
[00:04] <bugzbunny> You wasting my time
[00:04] <bugzbunny> I know exactly what you doing
[00:05] <slidinghorn> you've been wasting this channel's time for a while..and were doing the same in the #ubuntu channel before you were kicked.
[00:05] <oerheks> the production of digital waste (logs) is high today.
[00:06] <slidinghorn> sorry oerheks.  i usually don't engage, but bugz has particularly annoyed me.  This is the same person who suggested the reason that someone's internet was slow was because their ISP was essentially discriminating against linux users.
[00:06] <oerheks> slidinghorn, haha yes i read that
[00:08] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: Free society where people can speak no?
[00:08] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: So you being annoyed would be --
[00:09] <slidinghorn> judging by this conversation?  Something experienced by most people who encounter you?
[00:11] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: You come off as the typical people who dictate culture
[00:12] <slidinghorn> cool story bro.
[00:13] <bugzbunny> This means so much to me
[00:13] <bugzbunny> Just cool story bro for you
[00:13] <hggdh> bugzbunny: free speech means you are free to say whatever you want, and the others are free to refuse it
[00:14] <bugzbunny> I am not banning him from speaking
[00:15] <hggdh> neither are we. We just reserve the right to follow a few rules. If you want in, you are expected to follow the same rules
[00:15] <bugzbunny> I am countering what he says
[00:16] <hggdh> if you do not want to follow them, you are free to go elsewhere
[00:16] <bugzbunny> You mean when I dislike what I read
[00:16] <bugzbunny> When that heppens
[00:16] <hggdh> no
[00:16] <bugzbunny> I will still come back anyway
[00:17] <hggdh> ah well. Nothing else to discuss, then
[00:18] <bugzbunny> Personally, few people like youself is trying to boo me away
[00:18] <bugzbunny> But let me hang around here and read
[01:08] <tomreyn> ramrebol1: so i guess you can't rant here (based on /topic) but you didn't seem to intend to, and other tha that the topic seems like a good match to me.
[01:12] <ramrebol1> I'm still trying to enter to ubuntu-offtopic but I can't !   I'm going to try to ask here
[01:13] <slidinghorn> ramrebol1: your nick has to be registered with Freenode to enter #ubuntu-offtopic, I believe
[01:14] <ramrebol1> I think that  my nickname "ramrebol" is already registered in freenode.    My question is the following
[01:14] <ramrebol1> Hi. Do you know where is going ubuntu today? I ask because few years ago we had ubuntu-one and ubuntu-phone projects, so it was clear the goal: make an integrated (pc+cellphone) system, that was awesome!. As I remember, that's why ubuntu started with unity, to develop touch screens... because gnome was not going with the speed required. But today, without those  projects,  what is the goal of
[01:14] <ramrebol1> ubuntu? Or is just resigned to be the a "free competition"?
[01:14] <ramrebol1> ((((( it's ok to ask that here, is just for curiosity. I'm just a ubuntu-linux  )))
[01:17] <ramrebol1> is it ok ask that in this channel?
[01:17] <ramrebol1> (and sorry about my english, I know is not good enough)
[01:19] <akem> They stopped with Unity because it was too costly.
[01:25] <bugzbunny> tomreyn: Rant
[01:25] <bugzbunny> No
[01:26] <bugzbunny> The CEO stopped because it wasn't meeting the targets he wanted
[01:26] <bugzbunny> Android is a strong competition
[01:28] <ramrebol1> I think that there was not benefits comparing comparing unity with gnome or kde, for example. But ubuntu started with ambitious projects, like ubuntu-one (I loved ubuntu-one) and ubuntu-phone (I still want an ubuntu-phone too!). This because I just use linux in my pcs. So, I think (or I want to think) that ubuntu is working in something more important, to be more than just an "alternative OS".
[01:28] <ramrebol1> Or not?
[01:29] <slidinghorn> ramrebol1: I believe the Ubuntu Touch "torch" has been picked up by the UbPorts team.  Check out ubports.com & #ubports :)
[01:30] <bugzbunny> The CEO wanted convergence
[01:31] <bugzbunny> He wanted to do what Microsoft is doing but fail but Apple succeeding
[01:32] <bugzbunny> Apple is going to get de-thrown at some point
[01:33] <bugzbunny> Google had a decent eco-system
[01:33] <bugzbunny> s/had/has/
[01:33] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, please stop... this has now moved into offtopic territory
[01:34] <ramrebol1> I think that "converge" was a brilliant in linux, but for 5 years ago :(  Now...   may be is too late for linux?
[01:34] <ramrebol1> pragmaticenigma: sorry, is not right to talk about this in this channel?
[01:35] <bugzbunny> pragmaticenigma: What do you mean, isn't this #ubuntu-dicuss
[01:35] <bugzbunny> pragmaticenigma: What you upset about?
[01:35] <bugzbunny> Right
[01:35] <ramrebol1> I'm writting+asking about ubuntu convergence. Google and apple are just examples about
[01:36] <tomreyn> ramrebol1: i don't think it's "too late for linux", it's the OS a lot of systems run nowadays. when you'd like to get an idea on the canonical strategy you'd probably be best served reading thlatest blog posts on its CEO's blog at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[01:36] <bugzbunny> pragmaticenigma: Why have deviate from high quality?
[01:37] <bugzbunny> s/Why/When/
[01:39] <bugzbunny> Android is running a modified Linux
[01:39] <bugzbunny> It would be silly to think it's too late 'for linux'
[01:43] <tomreyn> ramrebol1: i also loved the 'convergence' idea, i.e. running the same open source OS on all devices (be it a smartphone, a mobile computer or a stationary desktop). unfortunately, i don't thinks is happening.
[01:44] <bugzbunny> As I've already said, Apple have matured that technology
[01:45] <bugzbunny> Not even FirefoxOS, ChromeOS, Windows have been able to succussesfelly to dethrown
[01:46] <ramrebol1> tomreyn: :(  I think the same (I was waiting anxious!). Unfortunately, cannonical forgot ubuntu-phone.
[01:47] <ramrebol1> I think that apple, without Steve Jobs, will go down, and a lot of mac users+lovers (programmers and scientists) going to back to linux
[01:47] <ramrebol1> I think that FirefoxOS, ChromeOS have no future in importants thinks
[01:47] <bugzbunny> No
[01:48] <bugzbunny> People buy Apple for image
[01:48] <bugzbunny> You need to convince those users, you are very unlikely to make that happen
[01:48] <ramrebol1> Yes, until now. But in several years more...
[01:49] <bugzbunny> Not likely
[01:49] <bugzbunny> I watch people who do board level repair on Apple computers
[01:49] <bugzbunny> People will pay 300$ to maintain it
[01:50] <ramrebol1> I'm thinking of the Linux users (programmers and scientists) who bought mac. That they will return, because mac does not great than before.
[01:50] <bugzbunny> Apple has a solid eco system that you really need to break, being cheap, is not alternative
[01:51] <bugzbunny> ramrebol1: k
[01:51] <ramrebol1> being better...  I think yes. Mac will not be cool forever, not in the future, I bet
[01:51] <bugzbunny> true
[01:52] <ramrebol1> So, ubuntu (cannonical) has no ambitious projects?  Is it just working in the OS?
[01:52] <bugzbunny> No idea
[01:52] <bugzbunny> I think their was like about his blog earlier
[01:52] <bugzbunny> s/like/link/
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> ramrebol1, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/why-did-ubuntu-drop-unity-mark-shuttleworth-explains
[02:01] <akem> A Ubuntu smartphone was a nice idea but we won't see it / If there was compatibility with Android apps...
[02:06] <bugzbunny> No
[02:06] <bugzbunny> One thing I don't like about streaming platforms
[02:06] <bugzbunny> Yet another Streaming platform
[02:07] <bugzbunny> I personally don't believe, if Ubuntu jump off, need to be compatitble with Android software
[02:11] <akem> Well, there is so much dev in the Android community, like everyone's making an Android app, if you can have that diversity on your platform by being compatible, why wouldn't you?
[02:12] <akem> On the other side you're left on your own with very little.
[02:13] <ramrebol1> if ubuntu-phone were competible with android apps...   It would have been perfect. But, not
[02:14] <ramrebol1> it was a wonderful dream :(
[02:46] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: I disagree
[02:47] <leftyfb> of course you do
[02:47] <bugzbunny> He says that when install Wine programs
[02:47] <bugzbunny> That means .wine
[02:48] <bugzbunny> That mean winecfg
[02:48] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: Correct me if I am wrong?
[02:48] <leftyfb> you are wrong
[02:48] <bugzbunny> How
[02:48] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: do you know exactly what feature in winecfg to adjust for the solution?
[02:48] <bugzbunny> Yes
[02:49] <leftyfb> which one?
[02:49] <bugzbunny> Desktop Intergration
[02:49] <bugzbunny> You wan stream it to twitch so you can see it
[02:50] <leftyfb> Nothing in the "Desktop Integration" tab does what they're asking
[02:51] <bugzbunny> I am looking at Desktop Integration
[02:51] <bugzbunny> Appereance
[02:51] <bugzbunny> Folders
[02:52] <slidinghorn> oh my lord...dude.  Just stop.
[02:52] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: and there is nothing in there that disabled newly installed wine applications from creating icons in the applications menu
[02:53] <bugzbunny> screenshot?
[02:53] <bugzbunny> That's the program I can install right now
[02:54] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: what is the option called to disabled all wine applications from showing up in the applications menu?
[02:56] <bugzbunny> I will take a screen shot
[02:57] <leftyfb> don't bother
[02:57] <leftyfb> you seem to lack basic understanding
[03:03] <bugzbunny> Where I can post a image?
[03:04] <bugzbunny> Without ads
[03:04] <pragmaticenigma> http://127.0.0.1
[03:05] <bugzbunny> That hurst me
[03:05]  * slidinghorn spits out beer & falls over
[03:05] <bugzbunny> I am asking where I can post a picture without ads
[03:06] <pragmaticenigma> asked and answered bugzbunny ... next question
[03:07] <bugzbunny> https://img42.com/PSAKu
[03:07] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: Desktop Integrations
[03:07] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: you're really hell bent on proving yourself wrong aren't you?
[03:08] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: yes, I see that you have proven yourself wrong. Discussion over.
[03:08] <bugzbunny> Where?
[03:08] <bugzbunny> I said Desktop Integrations, you said it doesn't exists
[03:09] <bugzbunny> So where?
[03:09] <bugzbunny> I telling everyone in this room, Hate me
[03:09] <bugzbunny> Don't like me
[03:09] <bugzbunny> Call me a troll
[03:10] <leftyfb> correct
[03:10] <leftyfb> I do not like you and I do believe you are a troll. Or act like one constantly.
[03:10] <bugzbunny> So ban me from this room
[03:11] <leftyfb> I would if I could but I cannot
[03:12] <leftyfb> if you feel unwelcome, you are always allowed to /part
[03:12] <bugzbunny> So, you wasting my time listing you bs
[03:13] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: I proved to you that desktop intergration exist, what you do?
[03:13] <bugzbunny> You call my a lier
[03:14] <bugzbunny> You know, I don't like you either but is that behavior you going to continue to have towards, let's address that now
[03:14] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: that wasn't the contention.  The contention was that it had nothing to do with the user's question.
[03:14] <bugzbunny> What
[03:14] <bugzbunny> He said had Icons
[03:14] <slidinghorn> you're consistently giving bad information, you're trolling regularly...why are you here.
[03:14] <bugzbunny> I said look at Desktop Intergrations
[03:16] <slidinghorn> ...and desktop integration has NOTHING to do with the question that was asked.
[03:16] <bugzbunny> Then you leftyfb can his panties in a twist decided that I did something wrong... I PROVE he was wrong... Now it's now the contention
[03:16] <bugzbunny> I can't laugh more harder
[03:16] <slidinghorn> the only thing you proved is that you have no clue about the information you're providing
[03:16] <bugzbunny> Where?
[03:17] <pragmaticenigma> everywhere
[03:17] <slidinghorn> where in that picture does it have an option to disable creation of menu entries for new applications?
[03:17] <slidinghorn> (hint - it's "nowhere")
[03:17] <bugzbunny> So
[03:17] <bugzbunny> You've seen it
[03:19] <slidinghorn> answer the question bugzbunny:  Where in your picture is the option to disable creating new menu entries?
[03:19] <slidinghorn> because that was the question being asked
[03:24] <bugzbunny> What DE?
[03:25] <bugzbunny> I had to actually have to remove *.desktop
[03:25] <slidinghorn> omg...someone please get rid of this fool.
[03:25] <bugzbunny> What you don't know, when you install a program
[03:25] <leftyfb> I wish I could
[03:25] <bugzbunny> As part of Desktop Integration
[03:25] <bugzbunny> It will appear in the menu
[03:26] <slidinghorn> shut. up.
[03:26] <bugzbunny> I am lying?
[03:27] <bugzbunny> So
[03:28] <bugzbunny> You folks like ##chat
[04:39] <pragmaticenigma> welcome back lordievader
[04:39] <pragmaticenigma> welcome back lotuspsychje
[04:39] <pragmaticenigma> tab complete fail
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> ty pragmaticenigma
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> and good morning to all
[04:40] <pragmaticenigma> morning... it's night time here
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> how was the support this night pragmaticenigma
[04:40] <pragmaticenigma> you don't want to know
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> sleepy crowdy or trolly
[04:43] <pragmaticenigma> the latter
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> thats a bad night indeed
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> with bionic as excuse they all come nag
[04:47] <pragmaticenigma> Maybe it's time to label the release 18.05 instead?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> haha
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> lets wake em up
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: did you read bionic releasenotes mate?
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> interesting stuff in there
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> not good morning slidinghorn ?
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> can i get you something to drink lol?
[04:51] <slidinghorn> oh, I've already started
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[04:51] <slidinghorn> I'm a few deep already (it's comin up on 1am here)
[04:51] <pragmaticenigma> I haven't read anything... and slidinghorn is probably still cleaning up from earlier
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: did it turn out well with your .deb?
[04:51] <slidinghorn> lotuspsychje: I got it done...I still don't feel like I learned much though.  I guess I'll jsut have to keep doing it
[04:52] <slidinghorn> I've downloaded a bunch of ebooks etc that will hopefully give me more of an idea about the inner workings of what I was actually doing
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> aha
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> those ubuntu wiki need bif revamp
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> but then, there are so much of them
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> wb Bashing-om insomnia?
[05:22] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Thunder storm knocked out the power .. and now catching up . ( still a hard push to get the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter out )
[06:12] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:12] <Bashing-om> ducasse: The one with the plan :)
[06:15] <JimBuntu> Bashing-om, newsletter is looking great!
[06:16] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: We get the scripts working to pull in the conical stuff .. we be set to print :)
[06:17] <JimBuntu> w00t! Let 'er rip!
[06:18] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: krytarik is sweating bullets getting the scripts all changed over to the git repo and fully functional for our needs .
[06:18] <JimBuntu> +1 for krytarik, I'll put them in my prayers(aka demands)
[06:19] <ducasse> hi Bashing-om, JimBuntu - all well today?
[06:19] <JimBuntu> My gosh, has it been that long?
[06:19] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: He do wirj winders .. as well as prayers .. availeth much !
[06:20] <Bashing-om> work wonders*
[06:20] <JimBuntu> ducasse, Absolutely! It's Saturday, this is my rest day, I pitty anything that interrupts that, lol.
[06:20] <ducasse> JimBuntu: well, i'm certainly not going to! :) it's well deserved, i'm sure :)
[06:21] <JimBuntu> ducasse, idk about deserved, but it's needed, lol. Stress can be stressful, ya know? Anyway, how are you doing on this fine day?
[06:22]  * JimBuntu sometimes feels bad for ignoring the #ubuntu channel while paying close attention to the offtopic/discuss channels... and ignores the bad feeling, lol.
[06:24] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: To the greater good - ya got to spread the joy about .
[06:24] <ducasse> good here, just got up - meds starting to kick in. a smoke or two, and i'll be ready to go :)
[06:25] <JimBuntu> ducasse, (I'm not trying to preach) Have you tried vape and/or is it legal there?
[06:26] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: ducasse remian on that controlled withdrawal .. and so far so good - it is working !
[06:26] <ducasse> it is legal, haven't tried. i'm currently building up motivation to quit, so starting a new habit isn't really an option.
[06:26]  * JimBuntu ... stabbed in chest, deflated lung... 15 days later smoking again... FF>> ... tried vaping, no intention to quit smoking... after 3 days ended up not smoking any more without trying.
[06:27] <Bashing-om> ducasse: M&M peanuts .. making a acceptable substitute - till my doctor blows his stack over it .
[06:27] <JimBuntu> Understood ducasse, another bad habit is never needed, as I said, not trying to preach, but I think it may have saved my life from me. Special circumstances though
[06:29] <JimBuntu> I will admit, I don't think the morning vape is anything like the morning smoke. I used to love going outside and watching the sun rise... sad part is that happens about 3 hours into my work-day, lol.
[06:29] <ducasse> JimBuntu: i'm under doctor's orders to quit, so it's got to happen sooner or later. i just don't really want to...
[06:31] <JimBuntu> ducasse, I didn't want to, I was a big time tobacco user... years being trained in upscale tobacco (early profession). Big cigar collection and rolled my own cigs from quality leaf cuttings for quite some time.
[06:32] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: Back in the day I grew and cured my own tobacco -:P
[06:32] <ducasse> JimBuntu: smoking is one of the few pleasures i have, so i'll need something to replace it with i think
[06:34] <JimBuntu> Bashing-om, dang! I never got that far, although I have family that grew it for their own use. That could be something I would want to look into... but curing,... yeah, I am not the most patient,... maybe if I can use the dehydrator, lol
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[06:36] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje - how are you this morning?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> fine here mate tnx
[06:36] <JimBuntu> ducasse, replacement -> once in a while vape? or better yet, breathing exercises with a fog machine. I find that I agree with the study performed that found the smoke was the biggest enjoyment from cigars.
[06:36] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: Practice - trial and error .. ( do not let the leaves get big ) I tried Oh I tried to smoke my 1st batch :D
[06:37] <JimBuntu> Bashing-om, well, from memory, it's the lower leafs that are mild... the higher up get more "bold"
[06:38] <JimBuntu> I have 2 cigars left that I watched get hand-rolled on a young persons thigh. I already enjoyed the rest of them.
[06:39] <Bashing-om> JimBuntu: Yeah - you been there . Thunder maybe I best get while I can save what I have !
[06:39] <JimBuntu> Bashing-om, storm still raging?
[06:41] <ducasse> pretty nice weather here, no sun yet though. but warm, luna is already running in and out every minute :)
[06:44] <JimBuntu> ducasse, does Luna like squirrels? Every day I have seen one pass by my window looking for food/etc. The other day I decided to start feeding it again. So cute, came and ate a few walnuts, left... got some water... came back every few hours. Never stayed and ate it all in one go, never seemed to stash away the pile. Gave me a bit more faith in animals, because it didn't try to stockpile the great find of 1/4 pound (1/8th
[06:44] <JimBuntu>  kilo) of nuts
[06:47] <ducasse> i'm sure she does, but she would probably try to hunt it... they're really cute, though - i like them.
[06:47] <JimBuntu> Since my dog passed, more animals have been in the yard, used to only be rabbits he would let in. I'm enjoying it even if I miss him.
[06:48] <JimBuntu> I seem to remember Luna is a cat, just sayin' bout my dog.
[06:50] <JimBuntu> Downside, this last year has been the first where I haven't found at least 2 rabbit burrows in the back area... good that I don't have to worry about hurting them, bad that I liked finding and watching over them.
[06:51] <JimBuntu> Sidenote: I used to raise rabbits as a livestock (food).
[06:52] <ducasse> luna is a cat, yes - https://photos.app.goo.gl/0QpJ33Aze8mlmBKI3
[06:53] <JimBuntu> pretty cat, I imagine the personality to boot!
[06:54] <ducasse> she knows she's pretty, to put it that way :) got her dad wrapped around the paw :)
[06:54] <JimBuntu> I used to have an amber and white cat. It was an alley cat that took a liking to me and lived with me for several years before moving on.
[06:56] <JimBuntu> OMGosh, I just remembered that I let her come with me when I moved to the city,... she nearly killed a neighbors cat in a fight. Luckily the neighbor was cool with  letting animals be themselves, but oh my, that was a crazy time. Good memories and I thank you and Luna for that.
[06:56] <ducasse> before luna i had a ginger cat that originally lived in the neighborhood but was being mistreated (not given any food etc). i felt sorry for him, so gave him food a couple of times, and after that he just moved in. he got run over, though - sadly.
[06:57] <ducasse> losing an animal is hard, they become like family members.
[06:58] <JimBuntu> Sad that it was ran over, but that's basically how Alley and I became acquitted, it was a cold and snowy Northern day... she was asking for some kind of help, I fed her... she moved in... kinda like my GF at the time, lol
[06:59] <ducasse> lol
[06:59] <JimBuntu> Ofcourse they are like family, we are all animals. I dread the day we (humans) stop being able to relate to the other animals in that way.
[07:01] <JimBuntu> I am a dog person, but feel lucky that cats always seem to want to claim me.
[07:01] <slidinghorn>  I was a dog person...until I got cats
[07:01] <ducasse> i'm a little concerned about finding a new place that will be as good for a cat as this, but i've just got to hope for the best. i've grown up with cats and always had them, so i can't do without.
[07:02] <ducasse> i don't trust people who don't like animals, there must be something wrong with them imo.
[07:02] <JimBuntu> ducasse, You continue to have my best wishes with the location change... you and Luna both! Cats need the trees as much as we do, if not more!
[07:03] <ducasse> thanks :) hopefully it will turn out to be for the best :)
[07:04] <JimBuntu> slidinghorn, I grew up with dogs my whole life, Alley was the first domestic cat I ever had... and the last. I like cats, but the wifey is pretty allergic, so we have none. I think of most animals (domestic pets) as free wills just like their wild brethren, so I refuse to force them to stay.
[07:05] <slidinghorn> I wanted a dog, but couldnt' in my apartment at the time...ended up getting a cat and she's essentially my child now, lol
[07:05] <slidinghorn> I may as well have birthed her
[07:06] <JimBuntu> A cat can easily be a child, they are about as much trouble as one, lol.
[07:06] <slidinghorn> truth
[07:06] <slidinghorn> anyway, I'm gonna head to bed...it's 3am and I'm a tad inebriated
[07:07] <slidinghorn> see y'all "tomorrow"  (though it'll be "today")
[07:07] <JimBuntu> I think this is why I prefer street animals to farmed ones, they simply know whats up. I grew up with farmed dogs, they were people raised from day 1... so different from the ones that have had to hunt their food to survive. This is why I decided to never buy farmed animals again outside of livestock.
[07:07] <JimBuntu> slidinghorn, have a good one!
[07:08] <JimBuntu> slidinghorn, same here, but I woke up this way, lol.
[07:12] <ducasse> JimBuntu: i wonder if i should get out my python book, do a bit of learning today.
[07:13] <JimBuntu> ducasse, since I love Python, my answer will be YES PLEASE... unless it's Python >2.7, then no... as I never did make the switch, lol.
[07:14] <JimBuntu> FWIW: I printed and bound the Python 2.6 docs X-D
[07:15] <ducasse> i thought it would be just as well to focus on python 3, since i'm learning it now, but the book covers both.
[07:16] <JimBuntu> nice! If I was getting into it today, I would probably start with 3 and be ticked off about all the tutorials I found based on <3. I'm not the biggest fan of change though, and it seems I am not alone as <3 still has a huge enough following to require 2.7 compatibility for many projects
[07:18] <JimBuntu> ducasse, I have made a ton of <3 based GUIs. I would love to help you love Python as I do. Only issue is that I have not done much with it in a few years.
[07:18] <ducasse> i know, but i don't think i'll start anything new in <3
[07:19] <JimBuntu> Yeah, I could not suggest doing that either. I'm sure most of my stuff would still work, so long as I removed/disabled all of the debug chatter... stupid 'print' changes
[07:19] <ducasse> thanks for that, but the book should get my feet wet. i'll start asking dumb questions later ;)
[07:20] <JimBuntu> Ask away, the only dumb questions are those you already know the proper answer to ;-D
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:20]  * lotuspsychje feels like dumber & dumber on python
[07:21] <JimBuntu> ducasse, Was it you that talked about having serial access to an APU?
[07:21] <ducasse> no, that was tj. i think
[07:22] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje, So did I back when Google started, the I followed their (and NASA's) lead and picked up Python
[07:22] <JimBuntu> Ah, OK. Well, I am most qualified to reply to questions about serial comms via Python, should that ever arise.
[07:23] <JimBuntu> I feel like such a dino though, who uses serial any more? I remember when I started having to learn how to decode USB comms for the BlackBerries, I was like, UGH!
[07:25] <bugzbunny> The only dumb questions is the one you already know the proper answer too
[07:25] <bugzbunny> Really
[07:26] <JimBuntu> Yes bugzbunny , at least, that's my opinion. Although, I admit people ask some seemingly dumb questions in the support channels, things they could have "googled"
[07:26] <JimBuntu> "How do I sort my ls by date?"
[07:26] <bugzbunny> K
[07:26] <bugzbunny> I understand
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> no question is dumb, its all about learning
[07:27] <JimBuntu> Speaking of "ls"... who else doesn't even think of "ls" and has muscle memory for "ll" instead? Is this something from my BSD or Unix days or is this common?
[07:27] <bugzbunny> ll here
[07:28] <JimBuntu> yay, I am not alone.
[07:28] <bugzbunny> I find myself get upset when ll is defined
[07:28] <bugzbunny> not*
[07:28] <JimBuntu> When I made the switch from BSD types, I had a lot of muscle memory to overcome, ll didn't seem to be one of them though.
[07:29] <bugzbunny> Ubuntu and Fedora has 'll'
[07:29] <bugzbunny> I think openSUSE too
[07:29] <JimBuntu> I had to admin some macOS machines a few years ago, and I was like... hmm, this isn't working... then it all came back to me
[07:30]  * JimBuntu proposes ALL use "ll" to be the POSIX/GNU coreutils version of 'ls -alF'
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[07:40] <ubot5`> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.15.0.15.16 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/04/13/ubuntu-desktop-weekly-update-13-april-2018
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> some news
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> grabbing wallpapers im curious :p
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> nice walls
[08:05] <bugzbunny> I never see the desktop, I don't bother with wallpapers
[08:05] <bugzbunny> On Dual Screens
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> bionic walls: https://imgur.com/a/N2bqH
[08:08] <JimBuntu> bugzbunny, Try on 9 screens!
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:09] <bugzbunny> heh
[08:10] <JimBuntu> I know it may be rare, but not unique... if I am not using 9 monitors and at least 3 discreet machines and networks... I feel limited
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> Neo extreme
[08:15] <JimBuntu> Why do people keep saying that?! I simply like to run things in an environment where I don't care if 120MB of RAM are being used by the local copy of the database while I run queries... and am still able to perform rolling updates... and can have my own copies of all the application servers running locally for immediate testing of new release candidates?!
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> you dont hear me complain :p
[08:17] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje, you  may if you had to handle maintenance on my home systems, lol, remember I work from home. It's not quite as easy. I was recently thinging of spinning up a new copy of all remote AWS environments though, so I can drop one of the machines.
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:19] <JimBuntu> It's really only the other devs from work who complain... they forget I paid for all this, I guess... except that one MBP.
[08:20] <JimBuntu> No one seems to complain when I respond with solutions quickly... funny how that works.
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> :p
[08:21] <JimBuntu> geez, it's Saturday, please excuse my whining about Mon-Fri type stuff
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> haha
[08:21] <bugzbunny> You see wallpapers?
[08:21] <bugzbunny> Otherwise meh :-p
[08:21] <JimBuntu> bugzbunny, I do, behind my translucent terminal windows
[08:21] <bugzbunny> oO
[08:21] <bugzbunny> k
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> workoholic with 9 screens :p
[08:22] <JimBuntu> bugzbunny, custom wallpapers though... that span across monitors to show a very wide view of a cool pace nearby
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> your even worst then tj-
[08:22] <bugzbunny> Yeah Yeah
[08:22] <bugzbunny> I know YOU people
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> who us?
[08:22] <JimBuntu> tj- is basically a demi-god as I am concerned. May need to find balance, but highly knowledgeable.
[08:23]  * lotuspsychje didnt do anything..
[08:23] <bugzbunny> People who have 9 screens, the wallpaper has to be perfect
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> i thought only sumo's were half-gods
[08:23]  * bugzbunny seen people who are tedious about that stuff
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> i like eyecandy too
[08:23] <ducasse> i don't use a wallpaper, pointless with a tiling wm
[08:23] <JimBuntu> bugzbunny, Mine looks to be in sepia, but that's actually how the day looked.
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> green on black terminals
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> https://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/
[08:25] <JimBuntu> I go for a grey on black, for general files via term
[08:25] <bugzbunny> I like Eye Candy but it takes quite of time to get it right, and honestly, I focus more on functionaly.. If the DE doesn't have nice Eye Candy to start with.. It's ardious
[08:25] <JimBuntu> bugzbunny, my eye candy spends most of their time in the living room.
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> i always liked linux originality vs windows
[08:26] <bugzbunny> heheh
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> you always can tell creative minds when you see one
[08:26] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje,  I like https://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930 the most
[08:26] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje, if that was a live wallpaper, with the time encoded into the image,... you may haveme sold on it
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> JimBuntu: :p
[08:29] <JimBuntu> Spiral Julian datetime, the only time worth looking at all day
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:52] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - it's pretty quiet today. all well, i hope?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse,  yes all is fine here, how about you?
[11:55] <ducasse> i'm ok, thanks. luna and i are enjoying a quiet day, just relaxing on the sofa.
[11:57] <ducasse> considering being wild and take a nap :)
[11:57] <BluesKaj> yes, it's a good day to relax :-)
[11:59] <ducasse> absolutely :) other than make dinner i'm not going to do much :)
[12:03] <BluesKaj> we have a winter storm approaching with freezing rain, sleet with high winds and 10-25cm of snow by Sunday and Monday, and with it warnings of power outages. Spring has not really arrived here yet and the long range forecast is for cool weather until May....very depressing :/
[12:07] <ducasse> mostly had warm weather here lately, and forecast says more is coming.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> nice
[12:08] <ducasse> did you get your new modem yet?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> no, Canada Post tracking indicated that it was supposed to be delivered yesterday, but it didn't arrive. I'll probly receive it on Monday
[12:10] <ducasse> cool. hope it works well and gives you a better solution than you have now.
[12:12] <BluesKaj> well, my internet speed should be upwards of 100mb vs the dsl 7mb I have now so it should be quite an improvement
[12:12] <ducasse> that should certainly be noticeable, yes
[12:15] <BluesKaj> I cancelled my my sat tv service and plan to watch tv via streaming with kodi or browser ...I don't watch much tv other than live news and 6 or 7 tv shows so using an expensive is sat tv service poor economy IMO
[12:15] <BluesKaj> is poor economy, rather
[12:18] <ducasse> i get that. i don't watch much tv either, but the cable package is included in the rent here. it's not that expensive, so it's ok.
[12:18] <ducasse> it also makes my broadband cheaper.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> that's cool
[12:20] <BluesKaj> heh, I hope the old cable company connection here still works after being disconnected for almost 20 yrs  :-)
[12:21] <ducasse> now that i can share my mother's netflix account, i only need something that can play it on the big tv and i don't really need any channels.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> my daughter uses her laptop to play netflix on her big tv and it works well. I use my tv as a monitor connected to this new pc my son and i built. I've had my desktop pc connected to the tv since 2010
[12:27] <ducasse> i'm thinking of getting a chromecast, looks like the cheapest and easiest solution
[12:28]  * BluesKaj has been a home theater user for many yrs. I've had an audio connection from every TV set thru my stereo system since 1970
[12:29] <BluesKaj> chromecast is a pretty good solution, my guitar player loves his
[12:32] <ducasse> they seem to be getting good reviews, and it looks like it will do what i need
[12:34] <daftykins> \o
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hey daftykins
[12:40] <daftykins> aaaah a lovely long lie-in today :D feels good
[12:42] <BluesKaj> yeah i managed to sleep til 6AM which is an hr longer than usual :-)
[12:42] <daftykins> :O
[12:42] <ducasse> \o daftykins - how goes?
[12:42] <ducasse> luna says hi :)
[12:43] <daftykins> :D i'd say Mischief returns the greeting, but i think it'd be more of a scream
[12:43] <daftykins> pretty good here thanks, about to try a game on PC with a friend who lives in England these days
[12:43] <daftykins> though i'd probably rather be playing with that haswell PC i put together :D
[12:44] <ducasse> i should really do a bionic upgrade today, but i feel lazy
[12:44] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/xFF6oaI.jpg
[12:44] <daftykins> still waiting for the IO shield to arrive from the Netherlands
[12:46] <ducasse> some days i feel like a cat treat distribution device
[12:47] <daftykins> ah then she's got you where she wants you!
[12:48] <ducasse> i'd say so, yes
[12:49] <ducasse> any other plans for the day?
[12:50] <daftykins> i'd love to carry on working :D i've been helping a client set up a charity, but there are some blocking registration processes holding up what i wanted to do, right now
[12:50] <daftykins> i did however find out you can get a free .org.gg domain, free web hosting and free google g suite email setup when you're a non-profit
[12:53] <daftykins> really detest it when you need even a yes/no from someone and they don't reply for days!
[12:53] <ducasse> going to take advantage of that?
[12:53] <daftykins> absolutely, i have a few clients on g suite including myself
[12:53] <daftykins> ducasse: what's on the cards for you? apartment browsing time?
[12:55] <ducasse> daftykins: not yet, waiting for them to offer me something as something suitable becomes available
[12:55] <daftykins> oh good, they have to help - that's handy at least
[12:57] <ducasse> they don't just have to help, it's entirely their responsibility to find an appropriate replacement that matches what i have today
[12:57] <daftykins> oh indeed
[12:57] <ducasse> thank $deity for that
[12:57] <daftykins> Tux ;D
[12:57] <ducasse> for instance :)
[12:58] <daftykins> so priority 1 Luna, priority 2 fast internet - and priority 3 space for a human
[12:58] <ducasse> that's pretty much the list i gave them :)
[12:59] <daftykins> hrmm now how to do voice chat on this game
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:03] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: good late morning :-)
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> hey hggdh
[14:18] <lotuspsychje>  0.030483] Spectre V2 : Spectre mitigation: LFENCE not serializing, switching to generic retpoline
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> cool stuff in dmesg
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> afternoon pauljw
[14:19] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje :)
[14:19] <pauljw> hi everyone
[14:23] <EriC^^> evening fellas
[14:23] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[14:24] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[14:24] <EriC^^> what's up?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> im colortailing syslog
[14:24] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> all kinds of weird gnome warnings lol
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: checked new bionic wallpapers too, they rock
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/04/13/ubuntu-desktop-weekly-update-13-april-2018
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[16:29] <EriC^^> odd, the microphone is muted in settings, yet it's picked up in dmesg
[16:29] <EriC^^> pavucontrol says no hardware input devices detected, in windows it works
[16:31] <EriC^^> i wonder if a newer kernel would fix it
[20:50] <tomreyn> thanks Bashing_om ;-)
[20:51] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: I do have my irking moments .. and "that" pulls my trigger .
[20:52] <daftykins> someone being rude?
[20:53] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Yah .. when good assistance and guidance offered .
[21:14] <daftykins> :<
[21:20] <pragmaticenigma> quack?
[21:34] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: Ih Huh .. they day right ... quacks like a ducj, walks like a duck ... must be a <troll>, <idiot>, <mad at the world> . :P
[23:33] <pragmaticenigma> something like that Bashing-om ... I think
[23:35] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: LOL .. yeah . Agreed it is " something like that " .