[00:00] <congmaster> no, thanks to reply.. ^_^
[00:02] <sammyg> it's not easy for me to tell what is what, there is a lot of acpi related stuff in the logs
[00:04] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, sometimes google will help define some of those messages... to a degree we can help too
[00:08] <sammyg> that's ok too
[00:09] <sammyg> i will have a look at it tomorrow maybe
[00:10] <sammyg> so if these messages come up too early in the boot process before being redirected to a log file, you can set the kernel parameters to display them, remove the splash screen and a directive to log them to a file as well?
[00:12] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what this is about (didn't try to read the entire backlog), but surely things don't get logged to files until the file system is mounted, and mounted r/w.
[00:12] <tomreyn> until then,. you have netconsole, serial console and maybe some kvm in addition to plain screen output.
[00:13] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, issue is sammyg is concerned by an ACPI probing error message
[00:13] <tomreyn> ohhhk
[00:14] <tomreyn> do things work, though?
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, overall question, is the machine operational?
[00:14] <tomreyn> i guess every 2nd or 3rd system prints acpi errors upon boot
[00:14] <sammyg> right ok
[00:15] <sammyg> yeah it seems to be
[00:15] <grumble> sammyg: if those are kernel messages (which they are likely to be), you might be able to see them in the "dmesg" command which queries the kernel's log buffer
[00:16] <tomreyn> those who make the firmwares (ACPI implementation) don't care about anything but windows usually. ACPI_OSI=LINUX doesn't really exist in wildlife, so you will almost always run into this warning
[00:17] <grumble> there is a chance that you won't be able to see them because there were too many subsequent log entries that cause them to be rotated out. if that's the case, you'll need to increase the kernel's log buffer size by passing the kernel command line parameter long_buf_len=<length> as seen on https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[00:19] <tomreyn> this usually doesn't happen unless you have repetitive messages, though
[00:20] <tomreyn> sammyg: you can post the dmesg by using: dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999      # this will eturn a http address you can then post here to share it.
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, grumble ... the log isn't the issue... sammyg appears to have had a concern with a battery not charging. from there someone suggested change an ACPI setting (probably OSI) ... I
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> I'm guessing that has resulted in now seeing the acpi probing error
[00:22] <sammyg> i will check on that tomorrow, now it's bed time
[00:22] <tomreyn> http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:22] <sammyg> ill try not to have bad dreams about it :P
[00:22] <tomreyn> tj is into faking ACPI stuff, maybe he was supporting you?
[00:23] <pragmaticenigma> sammyg, i'd restore things back to the way they were and when you are available try again
[00:25] <tomreyn> if the battery would not charge, trying some ACPI changes seems like a good approach to me. if ti makes things worse, i'd roll it back also.
[00:26] <tomreyn> if it's an old laptop, the reasont he battery doesn't charge may just be that it's old and needs recalibration (whch can sometimes be done from the firmware configuration interface, i.e. BIOS / UEFI setup utility, and sometimes requires running windows softwares)
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, ACPI doesn't control battery charging... it allows probing so that ACPI can make decsisions based on battery level only
[00:29] <tomreyn> right, if it thinks it's already on max capaity, it wont charge
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, ACPI doesn't control charging... if it did, you'd never be able to power off the system... battery charging circuit is isolated from the main system board
[00:31] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: i agree, i'm not saying ACPI controls charging.
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, I guess it's how I'm understanding what you're trying to say
[00:33] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: i guess it's that i'm failing to explain myself properly. ;-) i won't try to improve upon it, though. thanks for pointing out the things i said which could be misunderstood.
[00:35] <arooni> how long on average would this take to complete for a 2tb usb hard drive? [I]  ✘  ~  sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd bs=1M
[00:38] <tomreyn> arooni: SATA 2 or 3? Plain HDD or SSHD? Produced when? This can make relevant differences.
[00:38] <tomreyn> arooni: without more info, i'd guess somewhere between half an hour and five.
[00:39] <arooni> tomreyn: can i use a bigger block size? like 8M?  i'm connected via usb 2
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, it's not the block size, it's the throughput of the data channel
[00:39] <tomreyn> doh. wehy dont you use ata secure erase? not supported?
[00:41] <arooni> tomreyn: not sure what that is;  i did try erasing & formatting via wd tools ( on mac ) but it didnt work
[00:41] <tomreyn> https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase
[00:41] <tomreyn> it will not always work via usb, though.
[00:42] <tomreyn> if it works, the good thing there is that the drive firmware controls the process, so you dont have to transfer all that data over the tiny bus you have there.
[00:43] <tomreyn> (on the flip side it means you have to trust the drive firmware to do it properly.)
[00:53] <ramrebol_> Hi. Do you know where is going ubuntu today? I ask because few years ago we had ubuntu-one and ubuntu-phone projects, so it was clear the goal: make an integrated (pc+cellphone) system, that was awesome!. As I remember, that's why ubuntu started with unity, to develop touch screens... because gnome was not going with the speed required. But today, without those projects,  what is the goal of ubuntu? Or
[00:53] <ramrebol_> is just resigned to be the a "free competition"?
[00:55] <pragmaticenigma> ramrebol_, that's a topic that is better suited for our offtopic room in /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:56] <ramrebol_> thanks pragmaticenigma. I going to go there (but, with a short answer is ok for me).
[00:57] <bugzbunny> ramrebol_: I've read slighty go off-topic
[00:57] <bugzbunny> ramrebol_: Best you go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:57] <bugzbunny> No short answers
[01:02] <tomreyn> ramrebol_: please note you need to !register to /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:02] <tomreyn> !register
[01:03] <ramrebol_> tomreyn: yes, I can't to enter to #ubuntu-offtopic . I'm trying to do that. But, ubuntu-discuss is not a good plate to ask that kind of things?
[01:04] <bugzbunny> You can ask there
[01:04] <tomreyn> ramrebol_: personally i'd say #ubuntu-discuss is a good place, but that's just judging by the name, i have not checked it against the channel  policies there
[01:04] <bugzbunny> I've been there
[01:04] <pragmaticenigma> ramrebol_, each room has a topic set, that will help you determine the correct room to hold your topic in
[01:13] <tiz> ty
[01:14] <bugzbunny> I am going to switch to ubuntu\
[01:25] <manonales86> hi
[01:25] <manonales86> ho can i make a window transparent
[02:06] <jk^> may i install and update apps and/or OS while i have apps opened, even if those opened apps are the same ones i'm updating in the same moment?
[02:07] <fullclip> You can update the kernel without a restart now
[02:08] <bugzbunny> jk^: Depends
[02:08] <fullclip> Regarding applications it depends
[02:08] <fullclip> Yeah
[02:08] <bugzbunny> For the most you can continue use you computer without no problem
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, you can install updates with applications running. however, they updates will not be applied to those applications until the application is exited and started again.
[02:09] <fullclip> Dont expect to use the new version of the app without relaunching it
[02:09] <bugzbunny> ^^
[02:09] <bugzbunny> Also
[02:10] <bugzbunny> Some applications will touch filesystem and see code change and crash
[02:10] <bugzbunny> Chrome, Firefox
[02:11] <jk^> bugzbunny, excuse me, i don't undertand... will apps touch filesystem?
[02:11] <bugzbunny> Chrome uses process
[02:12] <jk^> :\
[02:12] <jk^> do apps see code change?
[02:12] <bugzbunny> When you open a new tab, it lauch a new process
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, what bugzbunny means is that if a supporting file to the program is touched (opened/read/written to) after you have applied updates to that program, the program may crash because it doesn't recognize the new file.
[02:12] <jk^> i'm using chromium
[02:12] <bugzbunny> Meaning, if there is change in libraires
[02:13] <jk^> ok
[02:13] <bugzbunny> For the most part, it rarely happens
[02:14] <jk^> how could i know when i need to close all apps or just some apps and when not?
[02:14] <bugzbunny> Well, the Kernel caches the stuff in memory
[02:15] <bugzbunny> I use needrestart
[02:15] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, It would be considered good practice to regularly reboot your computer and keep track of the applications listed in the update. Those applications are best to be restarted soon after you apply the updates
[02:15] <Aztec03> I'm tryna implement a basic systemd service to run a script on startup, AFTER the network configs/inits. But, it appears to start before networking does... Here is systemd service: https://pastebin.com/9VGjJ2aS and here is appropriate script: https://pastebin.com/1P5e9SF7 What am I missing, and does anyone have -any- guidance for me?
[02:16] <bugzbunny> jk^: If it doesn't touch programs you currenly using
[02:16] <bugzbunny> jk^: You don't have to restart
[02:17] <bugzbunny> jk^: You may have crash, for the most part, you can continue to use you computer as usual
[02:18] <bugzbunny> jk^: Reboot is only necessary if you have applications have open with modified libraries
[02:18] <Aztec03> output after startup of `sudo systemctl status ruslanftp` is: "Apr 13 20:52:11 ss-minnow ruslanftp.sh[1271]: Error connecting to ftp:"
[02:19] <jk^> mmmmmmhhh :|
[02:19] <bugzbunny> Aztec03: Add Before=
[02:20] <Aztec03> in service or script? I am unfamiliar
[02:20] <bugzbunny> Aztec03: or Require=
[02:20] <bugzbunny> Aztec03: It's not a script
[02:21] <jk^> bugzbunny, if i continue to use every apps and mantaining them opened... is there any problem?
[02:21] <bugzbunny> Aztec03: Text file with instructions
[02:21] <Shmam> Are PPAs safe? I need to install Tilix on KDE Neon which from what I understand is built on ubuntu
[02:21] <bugzbunny> Aztec03: got freedesktop.org
[02:21] <Aztec03> I was under the assumption that 'After=network.target' would handle it for me
[02:21] <Aztec03> not yet
[02:22] <bugzbunny> Right
[02:22] <bugzbunny> I was wrong
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, PPA that are not maintained by Ubuntu are use at your own risk
[02:22] <Aztec03> it seems that the network target is loaded, however an AP has not -yet- been connected-to...
[02:23] <Shmam> it says that they have packages ready for artful and bionic but if I try to do "apt install tilix" it cant find the package
[02:23] <Shmam> do I need to just use the ppa?
[02:23] <xamithan> Aztec03: THat is just for network to be started,  I think you need network-online.target
[02:23] <Aztec03> I'd prefer to not put this in fstab, as I prefer services and never touching that unless /absolutely necessary/
[02:23] <Aztec03> ahhhhh
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[02:23] <Aztec03> I shall try that now
[02:23] <Aztec03> thanks xamithan
[02:24] <bugzbunny> jk^: The Kernel handles very well
[02:24] <Shmam> KDE neon 5.12 so ubuntu 16.04
 jk^: If it doesn't touch programs you currenly using
 jk^: You don't have to restart
[02:24] <jk^> And if it does? May i use it until the end of my works in it?
[02:24] <bugzbunny> jk^: Just browsers you might have problem
[02:25] <bugzbunny> Beside that
[02:25] <bugzbunny> NO
[02:25] <Aztec03> okies brb time to test
[02:25] <Bashing-om> !info tilix artful
[02:25] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, If the package isn't available in the support repos, there is a reason.
[02:25] <jk^> *can i use it until the end of my works in it? (excuse for my english)
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, *support => supported
[02:26] <bugzbunny> jk^: It's safer to reboot, but you won't get lost of data
[02:26] <jk^> beside that? bugzbunny?
[02:26] <Bashing-om> Shmam: ^^ tilix is ib the universe repo. do you have that source enabled ?
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, If you want to reduce the risk of data loss in your work. It is best to save your work, close the programs, then do the update.
[02:26] <Shmam> how can you tell that its not in the support repos?
[02:26] <Aztec03> aw poops. Still getting: "Apr 13 21:25:40 ss-minnow ruslanftp.sh[1792]: Error connecting to ftp:"
[02:26] <bugzbunny> jk^: The Kernel is very mature
[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, you just said you couldn't find it
[02:27] <Shmam> I guess my question is what are "artful" and "bionic"
[02:27] <Shmam> are those releases?
[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> they are newer versions of ubuntu
[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, yes, they are newer releases
 jk^: If it doesn't touch programs you currenly using
[02:28] <jk^> yes, but how i know if updates, or new installations touch any program i'm currently using?
[02:28] <jk^> :\
[02:28] <Shmam> oh so I'm too old :(
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> 16.04 is xenial, 17.10 is artful, 18.04 is bionic
[02:28] <jk^> excuse me, but this issue is not clear for me :(
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, as was said... if you don't want to risk losing important work or data. It's best to close your applications before doing the update
[02:28] <xamithan> Aztec03: Do you have the After= and also the Wants= that say the network-online ?
[02:29] <Aztec03> hang I will show
[02:29] <xamithan> Thats what the systemd stuff shows:  https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
[02:29] <Aztec03> I now have this: https://pastebin.com/z2BjhbR0
[02:30] <jk^> pragmaticenigma  and if isn't that risk? or i don't care of it?
[02:30] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, then why did you ask the question in the first place?
[02:31] <xamithan> Yeah read that page I linked,  if the Wants= doesn't work you may need to enable those network wait.services it lists
[02:31] <bugzbunny> jk^: You can use Ubuntu regardless
[02:32] <bugzbunny> jk^: nothing will change, I gave you tips
[02:32] <bugzbunny> Besides... It's BEST you reboot
[02:32] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, Ubuntu is able to update applications, even if the application is running. However, it is possible that the program may crash after the update is applied. You have to decide if that is acceptable.
[02:33] <turbo64> im trying to hide a bunch of wine icons from the application view but alacarte doesnt work
[02:33] <turbo64> and menulibre isnt working either
[02:33] <jk^> pragmaticenigma, just to know if it's possible and safe continuing to use every apps i know and every feature of the OS witho no other actions :\
[02:34] <pragmaticenigma> jk^, The simple answer is no
[02:34] <turbo64> how do you edit the application view in ubuntu?
[02:34] <jk^> simply, i "GUESS" i could have the changes after a system reboot or a apps reboot
[02:34] <turbo64> alacarte worked in upstream gnome the last time i used it
[02:35] <bugzbunny> jk^: The kernel is resilent
[02:36] <bugzbunny> jk^: Reboot, I like to help you, do have a problem?
[02:37] <bugzbunny> turbo64: Do you have Wine Desktop Intergrations turned on?
[02:38] <jk^> is it just to understand... :\
[02:39] <bugzbunny> No problem
[02:39] <bugzbunny> I understand
[02:39] <jk^> because u told me that there are crash risks of some apps
[02:39] <bugzbunny> How about we not wasting out time here
[02:39] <bugzbunny> Just reboot
[02:40] <jk^> because the kernel might touch files which are serving those apps... but i don't know how to see which are the apps who have one of some of their file touched :\
[02:40] <jk^> i hope my english was sufficient to explain what i want to say, what i mean :8
[02:40] <jk^> :(
[02:41] <turbo64> bugzbunny: what integrations?
[02:41] <bugzbunny> Uh, wincfg
[02:41] <bugzbunny> turbo64: or winecfg
[02:41] <bugzbunny> Take a look at the Desktop Integrations
[02:42] <leftyfb> jk^: installing a new kernle has nothing to do with your currently running kernel or the applications you're running.
[02:43] <turbo64> that has nothing to do with what im talking about
[02:43] <turbo64> thats for applying your DE theme in wine
[02:43] <bugzbunny> turbo64: Didn't you say you have icons
[02:43] <bugzbunny> in you menu
[02:43] <leftyfb> turbo64: https://askubuntu.com/posts/483945/revisions
[02:44] <turbo64> ignored
[02:44] <jk^> leftyfb find an agreement between yours :(
[02:44] <jk^> *you
[02:44] <leftyfb> jk^: huh?
[02:44] <turbo64> leftyfb: yeah but ll have to do that every time i install a wine program
[02:44] <turbo64> is there a way to just stop it from adding stuff to the menu altogether
[02:44] <bugzbunny> Did you say
[02:44] <jk^> it seems others think different :(
[02:46] <bugzbunny> turbo64: Double check Desktop Interogrations
[02:46] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: please stop
[02:46] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: your answer is of no help in this case
[02:47] <xamithan> Can't you just remove the .desktop files for those wine services you don't want ?
[02:48] <turbo64> well yeah but i have to do that every time i install something, it seems kind of stupid
[02:48] <leftyfb> xamithan: they want it to stop adding them every time a new wine application gets installed
[02:48] <turbo64> anyway what i was really asking is is there a graphical menu editor that works with ubuntu 17
[02:48] <turbo64> because i tried menulibre and alacarte and neither of them work
[02:49] <leftyfb> I don't think so
[02:49] <xamithan> Might could try ezame,  no idea if it works on 17 though
[02:50] <leftyfb> btw, there is no ubuntu "17"
[02:50] <turbo64> oh really
[02:50] <leftyfb> really
[02:50] <turbo64> so it just goes from 16 to 18 then
[02:51] <leftyfb> there is no 16 or 18
[02:51] <turbo64> i must be on some serious drugs
[02:51] <Shmam> so why is tilix only available in a ppa for ubuntu 16.04?
[02:51] <leftyfb> There is 17.04 and 17.10, but no 17
[02:51] <Shmam> pragmaticenigma
[02:51] <turbo64> i think #wrongplanet might be spilling over into this channel
[02:51] <xamithan> Is 17.04 still in service ?
[02:51] <leftyfb> the versions numbers are based on the year and month it was released
[02:51] <leftyfb> xamithan: no
[02:51] <xamithan> Then any reasonable person would assume I meant 17.10 =/
[02:52] <turbo64> trying to start autistic arguments about semantics should be considered a form of trolling imo
[02:52] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, you mean why isn't it?
[02:53] <turbo64> i mean look how badly that derailed the discussion
[02:53] <Kon-> turbo64, the problem is that it's an important distinction. For example, 17.04 used the Unity desktop, while 17.10 used GNOME
[02:53] <turbo64> now nobody even remembers what i was asking about
[02:53] <Kon-> 17.04 used X by default, while 17.10 used Wayland by default
[02:53] <turbo64> great channel
[02:53] <leftyfb> turbo64: the version 100% matters. Someone saying "17" should not be assumed to be meaning 17.04 or 17.10 and one or the other makes a very big difference when troubleshooting
[02:53] <xamithan> Well ezame has an artful package,  but it is a PPA
[02:53] <xamithan> Give it a try
[02:53] <turbo64> is there another ubuntu channel for actually asking questions and getting answers
[02:53] <turbo64> instead of just having mindless chit chat
[02:54] <leftyfb> turbo64: you've been given several answers
[02:54] <turbo64> or is it all just thrown together in this one
[02:54] <Kon-> You might get better support if you stopped with the trolling
[02:54] <turbo64> and i just have to hope someone sees my question before it gets buried under arguments about ponies or something
[02:54] <leftyfb> turbo64: you've been given several answers
[02:54] <pragmaticenigma> turbo64, if you're not satisfied with our answers, how are you going to be satisfied with us telling you a different room
[02:54] <Shmam> like why can't you install it via apt on slightly older versions of ubuntu? Is it safe to install via the ppa? I'm not concerned that much about a bad package bit I am concerned about messing up my system
[02:55] <turbo64> Shmam: not now, we're having serious discussions right now about why you cant call ubuntu 17.10 "ubuntu 17"
[02:55] <turbo64> this is very important stuff
[02:56] <pragmaticenigma> turbo64, that behavior is not allowed here. anyone can speak and anyone can ask a question
[02:56] <slidinghorn> ^^ so long as it's on topic*
[02:56] <Shmam> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning
[02:56] <Shmam> there
[02:56] <Shmam> now tilix
[02:56] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, tilix has a dependency that isn't met by the versions available in 16.04
[02:57] <Shmam> oooo
[02:57] <Shmam> so can I install that dep?
[02:57] <turbo64> maybe ubuntu 18's attempt at incorporating gnome wont be as much of a disaster
[02:57] <Shmam> is that what the ppa does?
[02:57] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, Ubuntu Bionic is about to be released... it would be easier to just wait for the upgrade to 18.04 and then you won't have to worry about it
[02:59] <pragmaticenigma> turbo64, there is no such thing as Ubuntu 18... The next version of Ubuntu is 18.04... the full version number is very import differentiation between the releases, since there are two of them each year
[02:59] <Shmam> yeah I guess so. I just want to understand what the risk of the PPA is (assuming that it provides the correct package and no virus junk)
[02:59] <Shmam> like what can happen to my system?
[02:59] <leftyfb> Shmam: usually, there's no problem installing software from a PPA
[03:00] <leftyfb> Shmam: mind you, they're also usually not supported here
[03:00] <Shmam> I really screwed up a debian system by installing packages from a different release so I would assume that thats the same sort of problem that I could encounter
[03:00] <leftyfb> Shmam: the software in the PPA should still reflect the release you're on
[03:00] <Shmam> ok thats fair. I just want to ensure that I dont f up my system again
[03:00] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, A PPA that isn't managed by Ubuntu can carry extra packages that can cause issues with the existing installation. Some developers choose to include libraries that aren't tested against a base line install and therefore can break other installs
[03:01] <Shmam> oh so it can still cause problems eek
[03:01] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, the only way to garuentee not to break your system is to avoid PPAs that are not officially offered by Ubuntu
[03:01] <genii> Shmam: The worst thing that usually happens is it wants a bunch of dependencies that aren't supplied in the PPA, or the application just doesn't work and has to be purged
[03:01] <genii> There's also ppa-purge
[03:02] <Shmam> but it shouldn't cause problems with other packages right?
[03:02] <leftyfb> Shmam: I would just try it. I have about a dozen PPA's installed. No problems here
[03:02] <genii> Shmam: Not usually, but in some cases where shared libraries are altered, it can
[03:03] <genii> Shmam: If you find it doesn't work, remove it with ppa-purge
[03:03] <Shmam> will it break gtk stuff? it includes gtk-d. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/terminix
[03:03] <Shmam> but will removing it actually put things back to how they were?
[03:03] <leftyfb> Shmam: mind you, if you're just looking for a terminal emulator that supports tiling windows, you can just install terminator which is in the official repos
[03:03] <Shmam> I also want tabs/windows and background image
[03:04] <leftyfb> Shmam: you cab do that with terminator
[03:04] <leftyfb> can*
[03:04] <Shmam> :O
[03:04] <Shmam> installing 1 sec
[03:04] <Shmam> does it support color PS1?
[03:04] <Shmam> it doesnt look like it :(
[03:05] <leftyfb> that's not really a feature of a terminal emulator but your shell
[03:05] <leftyfb> so yes, it does
[03:06] <Shmam> it looks like it's making it all white. Do you know how I can make it so that it allows color from the shell?
[03:07] <leftyfb> Shmam: https://www.howtogeek.com/307701/how-to-customize-and-colorize-your-bash-prompt/
[03:08] <Shmam> sorry, I wasn't clear with my question. I already have a PS1 set (it shows fine in Konsole) but it's just white in terminator
[03:09] <leftyfb> terminator supports PS1. I have colors in my bash prompt just fine
[03:09] <Shmam> it seems like the profile color settings are overwriting the PS1
[03:09] <leftyfb> Shmam: if there were colors you saw in konsole that aren't working in terminator or regular gnome terminal, then those are not standard PS1 settings and you shouldn't rely on them
[03:10] <Shmam> how can I tell if they are standard PS1 settings? I used http://bashrcgenerator.com/ to create it
[03:12] <leftyfb> Shmam: hold on a moment
[03:13] <leftyfb> Shmam: what exact color scheme are you trying to achieve?
[03:14] <leftyfb> Shmam: can you give me 1 example to try out?
[03:14] <Shmam> this is the one that I'm currently using:
[03:14] <Shmam> PS1="[\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;1m\]\T\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;15m\]] \[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;1m\]\u@\h\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;15m\] \w\[$(tput sgr0)\]\$(parse_git_branch)\[\033[00m\] $ "
[03:14] <Shmam> you also need the parse_git_branch function
[03:15] <Shmam> but it should work without it
[03:15] <leftyfb> I already have it :)
[03:15] <Shmam> cool
[03:16] <leftyfb> Shmam: it's all red. Is that what it's supposed to look like?
[03:17] <Shmam> mine doesnt even show the [time] on it
[03:17] <leftyfb> mine does
[03:18] <Shmam> maybe it gets stuck on this in .bashrc "if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then"
[03:18] <Shmam> do you have yours in there or just export after that
[03:19] <leftyfb> I don't have that at all
[03:20] <leftyfb> PS1="#${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h[\[\033[00m\]\${PIPESTATUS[@]}\[\033[01;37m\]]\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\[\033[33m\]\$(parse_git_branch)\[\033[00m\]\$ "
[03:20] <leftyfb> That's mine
[03:20] <Shmam> weird. My default .bashrc has a case to check for color support: https://pastebin.com/G4tayAHA
[03:21] <pragmaticenigma> most do Shmam
[03:21] <Shmam> so then why doesn't terminator say that it supports color?
[03:22] <leftyfb> it does
[03:23] <leftyfb> I've been using terminator for years
[03:24] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkwu51gzr5w01c0/Screenshot%20from%202018-04-13%2023-18-11.png?dl=0
[03:24] <leftyfb> there's your prompt
[03:24] <Shmam> right I believe you but I'm confused as to why " -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null" is false for terminator but not for the other ones that I've tried
[03:25] <Shmam> I dont really know what that line is doing, it was there when I installed ubuntu
[03:26] <leftyfb> I've got it as well on a default install of ubuntu 16.04
[03:26] <Shmam> it works if I turn on force color prompt
[03:26] <Shmam> so idk
[03:26] <Shmam> just weird
[03:27] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ve102cb8c4mtsed/Screenshot%20from%202018-04-13%2023-24-36.png?dl=0
[03:27] <leftyfb> there's my prompt btw
[03:27] <Shmam> whats the [0]?
[03:28] <leftyfb> exit code
[03:28] <leftyfb> of the last command
[03:28] <Shmam> oh thats cool
[03:28] <Shmam> you should make the "[" & "]" the same color. Its driving me insane lol
[03:29] <leftyfb> ha!
[03:29] <leftyfb> never noticed
[03:29] <leftyfb> I'll fit it
[03:29] <leftyfb> also notice the background
[03:29] <bugzbunny> hmm
[03:29] <leftyfb> I make it semi-transparent so I can watch what goes on in the background
[03:29] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: You can ban from this room
[03:29] <Shmam> yeah I made mine transparent too
[03:34] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: You can ban me
[03:34] <Shmam> can I make it never show the scrollbar?
[03:34] <leftyfb> Shmam: now that you pointed that out, it bugged me, but now that I changed it, it bugs me since I notice the difference :)
[03:35] <leftyfb> Shmam: yup, in the profile. I have mine disabled
[03:36] <Shmam> oh cool
[03:36] <Shmam> the scrollbar is super ugly lol
[03:36] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: ban me
[03:37] <Shmam> ugh I wish there were separate keybindings for split directions (ex add on right or add on left instead of just split vert)
[03:38] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: Just ban me
[03:38] <leftyfb> Shmam: you know you can rearrange the windows ... or just move to the left or right window and split
[03:40] <Shmam> how do you disable a keybinding?
[03:40] <leftyfb> Shmam: how do you mean?
[03:41] <Shmam> some of the keybindings say "disabled" for the binding
[03:41] <leftyfb> hit ESC on it?
[03:41] <Shmam> and I want to remove some of the bindings
[03:41] <leftyfb> you'd have to read the docs on that one, it's been a while
[03:42] <Shmam> ok
[03:43] <pxh> how to change the close button to right?
[03:44] <leftyfb> pxh: what version of ubuntu?
[03:44] <pxh> 1.6 lts
[03:44] <Shmam> here we go again xD
[03:44] <leftyfb> pxh: try that again pelase
[03:45] <leftyfb> pxh: try: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout ':minimize,maximize,close'
[03:45] <pxh> ok ,thanks,I will try it again
[03:46] <leftyfb> ok, i'm out for the night
[03:46] <pxh> good night
[03:56] <bugzbunny> Shmam: Please 23:44 < Shmam> here we go again xD
[03:56] <bugzbunny> That's not funny to me
[03:56] <Shmam> what?
[03:57] <Shmam> it was just a joke about the versioning conversation that we had a while ago
[03:58] <slidinghorn> !ot | bugzbunny bringing this back up 15 minutes later is unnecessary
[03:59] <Shmam> whats the recommended way to install atom text editor?
[03:59] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: Then ban me
[04:00] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: if I could, you would have been banned a week and a half ago
[04:00] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: Why was my time
[04:01] <Shmam> ok so whats the recommended way to install atom on ubuntu 16.04
[04:01] <bugzbunny> Personally, you on a power trip
[04:01] <Shmam> use a ppa or?
[04:01] <slidinghorn> Shmam: you'll have to find a PPA that offers it, unfortunately\
[04:01] <Shmam> im so scared to use a ppa tho
[04:01] <Shmam> I dont want to f up my system
[04:02] <slidinghorn> Shmam: or you could build from source: https://github.com/atom/atom
[04:03] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, you already were given an answer... Using a PPA that's not from Canonical/Ubuntu is use at your own risk. Besides, we are literally 2 weeks away from the release of 18.04
[04:03] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, is it that hard to wait?
[04:03] <Shmam> will atom be in 18.04?
[04:03] <Shmam> im going to wait on tilix
[04:03] <Shmam> but atom
[04:04] <Shmam> theres no text editor better than atom
[04:04] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, that's a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:05] <Shmam> checking if atom will be included in 18.04?
[04:05] <bugzbunny> Shmam: I think you've you got leeway
[04:05] <Shmam> that's pretty on topic imo
[04:05] <bugzbunny> Shmam: Yeah, it was
[04:06] <bugzbunny> Shmam: I don't support it, but ##linux might help
[04:07] <slidinghorn> Shmam & bugzbunny pragmatic was talking about discussing which text editor is best...to answer your question, Shmam, I don't see atom in the bionic (18.04) repositories
[04:07] <bugzbunny> Shmam: Go to http://www.kernel.org
[04:08] <bugzbunny> Oh
[04:08] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: what does kernel.org have to do with a text editor???
[04:08] <bugzbunny> Nvm
[04:08] <bugzbunny> My Mistake
[04:08] <slidinghorn> can we PLEASE ban this dude already?? It's obvious that they're just here to troll
[04:09] <bugzbunny> Ban me
[04:09] <slidinghorn> ^^
[04:09] <slidinghorn> yes.
[04:10] <bugzbunny> Set this room +,
[04:10] <bugzbunny> Set this room +m
[04:10] <bugzbunny> Set this room +rm
[04:10] <Shmam> I'm asking serious questions. I'm just somewhat new to linux in general. sorry
[04:10] <pragmaticenigma> Shmam, you're doing just fine
[04:10] <bugzbunny> Same
[04:11] <bugzbunny> Shmam: You have specific questions?
[04:12] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: if you were here for any purpose other than to troll, you would have seen that they already asked their question and were answered.
[04:13] <bugzbunny> Perhaps I didn't have answer to his question
[04:13] <bugzbunny> Or perhaps I didn't want to answer that question
[04:13] <bugzbunny> Fine
[04:18] <Shmam> I know this is slightly off topic but does anyone know how to make dolphin require two clicks to open a folder? I accidentally open folders with the single click.
[04:19] <slidinghorn> Shmam: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=223&t=128669 <~ should help :)
[04:20] <Shmam> Awesome thanks! I was looking in the touchpad settings
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:50] <slidinghorn> maybe for you... :p
[04:56] <shanky> $ virtualbox  WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module          available for the current kernel (4.4.0-119-generic) or it failed to          load. Please recompile the kernel module and install it by             sudo /sbin/vboxconfig           You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed.
[04:57] <shanky> getting this error
[04:57] <shanky> on starting virtualbox
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> shanky: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[04:57] <shanky> 14.04
[04:58] <pragmaticenigma> shanky, the solution is in the error messsage
[04:58] <shanky>  sudo /sbin/vboxconfig  on running this vboxdrv.sh: Stopping VirtualBox services. vboxdrv.sh: Building VirtualBox kernel modules. vboxdrv.sh: Starting VirtualBox services. vboxdrv.sh: Building VirtualBox kernel modules. vboxdrv.sh: failed: modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why.
[04:58] <pragmaticenigma> well there goes that idea
[04:59] <pragmaticenigma> shanky, are you using Virtual Box from the Repo or direct from Oracle?
[04:59] <shanky> on running dmesg
[04:59] <shanky> [ 2932.326450] vboxdrv: version magic '4.4.0-119-generic SMP mod_unload modversions ' should be '4.4.0-119-generic SMP mod_unload modversions retpoline '
[04:59] <shanky> i hv intalled virtualbox
[05:00] <shanky> as per instruction in site
[05:00] <rypervenche> shanky: Which site?
[05:01] <shanky> all was wrking but yesterday my cursor stopped so i force shutdown and n restart when tried to use vbox i m getting this error
[05:01] <pragmaticenigma> shanky, we need to know where and how you installed virtual box
[05:01] <shanky> https://www.virtualbox.org
[05:02] <shanky> today i reinstalled also
[05:02] <shanky> 5.12
[05:02] <rypervenche> Yep, that's Oracle then.
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> !latest | shanky
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> shanky: we advise to install package versions, specific for your ubuntu version instead
[05:04] <shanky> sudo dpkg -l | grep virtualbox ii  unity-scope-virtualbox                                0.1+13.10.20130723-0ubuntu1                         all          VirtualBox scope for Unity ii  virtualbox-5.2                                        5.2.8-121009~Ubuntu~trusty                          amd64        Oracle VM VirtualBox ii  virtualbox-dkms                                       4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1ubuntu1.14.04.1                 a
[05:04] <shanky> i think many vbox is there :(
[05:04] <shanky> lotuspsychje: how?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox trusty
[05:05] <pragmaticenigma> this is a hard one to solve shanky ... since so much occured from when the VM crashed, upgrading vbox, etc
[05:05] <EriC^^> !paste | shanky
[05:05] <pragmaticenigma> shanky, it is possible that the kernel version for Ubuntu 14.04 isn't compatible with the latest Virtual Box provided from Oracle
[05:06] <shanky> pragmaticenigma: what should i do help pese
[05:06] <shanky> please*
[05:07] <pragmaticenigma> shanky, I don't know where to begin
[05:08] <shanky> :(
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> shanky: i would purge latest vbox first
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> shanky: and try using your trusty version
[05:09] <stevendale> What seems to be the problem shanky?
[05:09] <shanky> how to purge
[05:09] <stevendale> Or lotuspsychje could fill me in o/
[05:09] <shanky> give me command i will do it fast
[05:09] <stevendale> shanky: sudo apt-get remove virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms --purge
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> stevendale: he installed latest vbox instead of the trusty version
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> stevendale: got errors on launch
[05:10] <stevendale> Oh, yeah that's just asking for trouble on trusty, might work on xenial thoughh
[05:11] <shanky> lotuspsychje: no i hv vbox working but later it stopped wrking saying compile module then i did it and got error messsage
[05:11] <pragmaticenigma> shanky, you can port your VMs to another instance... so your data is safe... we just have to figure out how to get Vbox up and running again for you
[05:11] <shanky> so i have installed the latest version and still its causin same issue
[05:12] <pragmaticenigma> shanky, has installed Virtual Box direct from Oracle using their install instructions... shanky does not currently have the PPA released version stevendale, not sure how to bring them back to the PPA version
[05:12] <shanky> there is no data in vm dont worry
[05:13] <shanky> i can uninstall and purge vm
[05:13] <stevendale> Oh
[05:13] <shanky> just give me proper command
[05:13] <stevendale> I see... Just need a moment o/
[05:15] <shanky> stevendale: hey it seems u can solve my problem please check the error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gyvGPgZzCK/
[05:15] <shanky> pragmaticenigma: you can help me too :)
[05:16] <shanky> stevendale: sudo apt-get remove virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms --purge   i have used this it uninstalled something but when i type virtualbox its still showing same error means its not uninstalled :(
[05:17] <shanky> stevendale: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3NGyQKwRZp/
[05:18] <shanky> stevendale: there?
[05:18] <stevendale> Okay shanky, in a terminal enter this followed by enter and your password then enter again: sudo apt-get -f install ; sudo apt-get update ; sync ; sudo apt-get upgrade ; sudo apt-get autoclean ; sudo apt-get remove virtualbox virtualbox-5.2 --purge ; sudo apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms
[05:20] <shanky> stevendale: i didnt get :(
[05:20] <stevendale> shanky: What happened? Pastebin? o/
[05:21] <shanky> a
[05:21] <shanky> stevendale: i mean the command u just gave how to enter sequential?
[05:21] <stevendale> Copy paste o/
[05:21] <shanky> can you paste in pastebin with new line
[05:21] <stevendale> Okay
[05:22] <shanky> when i used sudo dpkg -l | grep virtualbox
[05:22] <shanky> ii  unity-scope-virtualbox                                0.1+13.10.20130723-0ubuntu1                         all          VirtualBox scope for Unity
[05:22] <shanky> ii  virtualbox-5.2                                        5.2.8-121009~Ubuntu~trusty                          amd64        Oracle VM VirtualBox
[05:22] <shanky> i got two vbox
[05:22] <stevendale> shanky: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JkkTxJ55z8/
[05:23] <stevendale> Copy paste that into terminal, you don't need new lines because the ';' does that
[05:23] <shanky> semi colon is same as & ?
[05:24] <stevendale> It's similar to &&
[05:24] <shanky> stevendale: thats great :)
[05:24] <stevendale> The difference is commands after ; always run, even if the first command fails
[05:24] <stevendale> If I put &&, and one command fails, the whole sequence stops
[05:24] <stevendale> With ;, it doesn't
[05:24] <shanky> stevendale: how you guys remember this big big command OMG
[05:24] <stevendale> It keeps going regardless of failures
[05:25] <stevendale> shanky: Autism Spectrum, can discuss it further in #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like :)
[05:25] <shanky> stevendale: and now can u help me install vbox which is compatible with my machine
[05:26] <shanky> pleaseee
[05:26] <stevendale> shanky: sudo apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms
[05:26] <shanky> i got error
[05:26] <shanky> modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out wh
[05:26] <shanky> when uninstalling
[05:26] <stevendale> o/
[05:26] <stevendale> Reboot your computer
[05:26] <stevendale> And run command again
[05:27] <stevendale> Kernel modules are kind of like Windows Drivers
[05:27] <shanky> stevendale:
[05:27] <shanky> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cQmYXZFcxb/
[05:27] <stevendale> Some of them don't fully initalize until after a reboot
[05:27] <shanky> ohk u will be here naa
[05:27] <shanky> please dont go
[05:28] <shanky> i will reboot and connect with u
[05:28] <stevendale> Okay
[05:28] <stevendale> Virtualbox is installed :D
[05:28] <stevendale> Reboot though
[05:28] <stevendale> It'll need it
[05:28] <shanky> no i ddnt installed ye
[05:29] <shanky> i didnt run sudo apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms
[05:29] <stevendale> Yeah you did :)
[05:29] <shanky> i got eerror while uninstaling
[05:29] <stevendale> Open virtualbox from start
[05:29] <stevendale> It's installed
[05:29] <stevendale> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cQmYXZFcxb/ "DKMS: install completed."
[05:30] <stevendale> "etting up virtualbox-qt (4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1ubuntu1.14.04.1) ..."
[05:32] <shanky_> hey
[05:32] <shanky_> stevendale:
[05:32] <stevendale> Is virtualbox working when you open it from the dash/app menu shanky_?
[05:32] <shanky_> no :(
[05:32] <stevendale> Did you run anything after I told you to run that pastebin
[05:32] <shanky_> no
[05:33] <shanky_> i didnt run  anything after that
[05:33] <stevendale> Open terminal and type 'virtualbox' in it, followed by enter, shanky_
[05:34] <stevendale> You can quick open terminal with Control + Alt + T in Ubuntu
[05:34] <shanky_> stevendale: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/kvmk55zBWh/
[05:35] <shanky_> i want to paste one image can u send me image link
[05:35] <shanky_> paste image link
[05:35] <stevendale> shanky_: Run "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms virtualbox virtualbox-qt build-essential linux-headers-generic" (without the quotes)
[05:37] <shanky_> stevendale: https://imagebin.ca/v/3yK3z2rsoKG0
[05:38] <USERNAME00> How can I enable graphics acceleration in qemu in ubuntu?
[05:39] <stevendale> Did you run what I just told you too shanky_
[05:39] <stevendale> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms virtualbox virtualbox-qt build-essential linux-headers-generic
[05:39] <shanky_> yes
[05:39] <shanky_> still same issue
[05:39] <stevendale> Now run it with --reinstall
[05:39] <stevendale> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms virtualbox virtualbox-qt build-essential linux-headers-generic --reinstall
[05:40] <shanky_> stevendale: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CKdDmsd7rH/
[05:40] <shanky_> which version of vbox i just installed linux headers 3.*
[05:41] <stevendale> Close virtualbox and open it again
[05:41] <halfclip> USERNAME00 what is the use case?
[05:41] <shanky_> stevendale: u know so much can i add u as friend :) please
[05:42] <halfclip> If your cpu supports vt-d you can forward the pci slot containing the graphics card to a vm
[05:42] <stevendale> Is it working yet shanky_? :) And sure ^^
[05:42] <shanky_> stevendale:  no https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hvBWbsvPDm/
[05:43] <shanky_> stevendale: can i get your facebook or email id ?
[05:43] <stevendale> Okay shanky_, run: sudo modprobe vboxdrv
[05:44] <stevendale> o/ Ask me in #ubuntu-offtopic, shanky_
[05:44] <shanky_> stevendale: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZRk39V2J9d/
[05:44] <shanky_> stevendale: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vboxdrv': Exec format error
[05:45] <shanky_> stevendale: i cannot join ubuntu offtopic :(
[05:46] <shanky_> stevendale: my email id is shankarkumarchaudhary96@gmail.com and fb id is shanky.8080 ping me please i am going to office now
[05:46] <halfclip> shanky_ wrong architecture ??
[05:46] <stevendale> halfclip: Sounds like it o/
[05:46] <halfclip> I.e. you're using arm or x64 on x86 or something?
[05:47] <shanky_> its x86
[05:47] <stevendale> I remember getting that error on 32-bit Linux right when Steam dropped linux32, halfclip
[05:47] <halfclip> You got the wrong binary
[05:47] <shanky_> $ uname -mrs Linux 4.4.0-119-generic x86_64
[05:47] <halfclip> Thats 64bit
[05:47] <halfclip> Lol
[05:48] <shanky_> yes i mean that onlt lol
[05:48] <shanky_> stevendale: i am getting late i will go to office will talk later
[05:48] <halfclip> Dis u download the 64bit version?
[05:48] <shanky_> stevendale: just ping me on my id thanks for help
[05:48] <shanky_> stevendale: its not resolved but i hope i will resolve it soon :)
[05:48] <stevendale> Okay o/
[05:49] <shanky_> stevendale: i didnt get any ping or msg on my id :(
[05:50] <Shmam> so if I build a package from the source (with a tar.gz), can I ensure compatibility/wont break my system?
[05:50] <Shmam> I need to install eclipse but the one in the ubuntu repo is super old
[05:51] <stevendale> I think I finged you shanky_ o/
[05:51] <stevendale> pinged
[05:51] <shanky_> i got it :)
[05:52] <netmaniack> Morning. My ubuntu server is restarting from time to time. Syslog only shows https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FCJGtK29kq/ . My idea is that there are power problems as it is flickering. What do You think?
[05:52] <netmaniack> Before that log shows usual enries like ufw blocks, mail logins.
[05:52] <JimBuntu> Uhm, that doesn't look like an Ubuntu kernel, looks mainline to me.
[05:53] <JimBuntu> netmaniack, One of my machines reboots without warning, I too show nothing of interesting the kernel logs. In my case, I feel 90% sure that it's the power supply.
[05:54] <netmaniack> JimBuntu: Tnx, I tought about that too. PC is new, but parts can fail.
[05:55] <JimBuntu> netmaniack, (wo)man can they ever! It could be a variety of things, especially with a new build. I always start with the PS though.
[05:56] <netmaniack> In this case it might be. But ups is needed for server anyway.
[06:03] <aakash> your system is running on low graphics mode
[06:04] <aakash> intel graphics
[06:04] <aakash> can anyone help me ?
[06:04] <aakash> it is in ubuntu 16.04
[06:11] <pxh> help ...I can not use the shadowsocks
[06:12] <pxh> in ubtntu
[06:19] <cruciform> a
[06:30] <kille> hi
[06:36] <no_gravity> Hello! When I run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' and see a package and think 'why ist that installed?' - how do I find out?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: find out what exactly?
[06:37] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: Why a package is installed.
[06:37] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: depends on the package
[06:37] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: what is your actual question?
[06:38] <no_gravity> That is my question. Not sure what is not 'actual' about it.
[06:38] <genii> Most often if it's something you don't recognize it's usually some dependency of another package which you did remember installing
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: a package is installed because you installed it?
[06:38] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: No. For example 'ruby' is there. I did never instll ruby.
[06:39] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: you probably installed something that required ruby to run
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: ah the why of dependecys..
[06:39] <no_gravity> Maybe. If so, I would like to find out what that something is.
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: apt-cache policy yourpackage
[06:40] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: whenever you install something, its dependencies are shown and it tells you what else will be installed to make it work
[06:40] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: That seems to only show infos about the version that is installed. Not why.
[06:41] <no_gravity> slidinghorn: I know.
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: the why part of dependecies is easy, because ubuntu system needs it
[06:41] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: How do I know it's ubuntu and not some package I install later?
[06:41] <davido_> You can use apt-cache rdepends jetty to see what depends on jetty.
[06:42] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: apt-cache rdepends ruby
[06:42] <davido_> (just an example)
[06:42] <no_gravity> Woah, that outputs 694 lines.
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: we reccomend you using only packages from ubuntu repos, so if you install something the needed dependecies will also install
[06:44] <no_gravity> 'apt-cache rdepends' is also not very useful. It shows everything that depends on ruby. But not why ruby was installed. I think it should make a tree like output so you could see whats going on.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: why dont you just 'trust' what apt has installed for your system?
[06:44] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: that just means you weren't paying attention when you installed random stuff
[06:45] <davido_> It shows everything you have installed on your system that depends on ruby, which is different from everything that depends on ruby.
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: if apt says you need something, its needed
[06:45] <no_gravity> 'apt-get remove ruby -s' seems a bit more informational.
[06:46] <no_gravity> From the output of that, it's rather clear that it was installed along with Ubuntu itself.
[06:46] <davido_> It was installed by one of the dependents. And if it hadn't been installed by that dependent, it would have been installed by another of the many dependents listed.
[06:46] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: you can also look at /var/log/apt/history.log
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: we dont reccomend uninstalling random packages neither
[06:46] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: Nobody uninstalled anything.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: well liek the sound of it, your interested to remove ruby?
[06:47] <no_gravity> slidinghorn: There are only infos about updating ruby. Maybe another sign that it was installed along with Ubuntu itself.
[06:47] <no_gravity> lotuspsychje: No. I want to know how it got on my system.
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> no_gravity: you can also !msgthebot here and !info ruby to see if its in main or optional
[06:48] <no_gravity> !msgthebot
[06:48] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: then you can look at this to see: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ruby
[06:49] <no_gravity> slidinghorn: Hmm... not sure what to make of that page.
[06:49] <no_gravity> My conclusion is that it was installed along with Ubuntu itself.
[06:50] <cyborg_> hi
[06:51] <no_gravity> Yo cyborg_
[06:51] <cyborg_> hi michael
[06:53] <slidinghorn> no_gravity: if you're concerned about extras, you can always use a minimal install and build from that
[06:53] <no_gravity> slidinghorn: Yup, I know.
[06:53] <slidinghorn> ok...then NEXT!
[06:54] <cyborg_> ok man how u
[06:54] <slidinghorn> cyborg_: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[06:54] <cyborg_> yes man
[06:55] <cyborg_> how can I use it to survey someone
[06:55] <slidinghorn> cyborg_: you need to provide more detail than this
[06:56] <no_gravity> cyborg_ just won the turing test.
[06:56] <cyborg_> ok but how I am a beginner
[06:56] <genii> Survey or surveil ?
[06:57] <genii> Because we don't condone the second one
[06:57] <cyborg_> surveil
[06:57] <slidinghorn> cyborg_: then this isn't the distro or channel for you.
[06:57] <Skaface82> using a camera?
[06:58] <cyborg_> yes using it
[06:58] <no_gravity> cyborg_: Is the power on?
[06:59] <Skaface82> i use i use zoneminder for my surveillance cameras
[06:59] <genii> If you're setting up a CCTV system, check out motion or zoneminder
[07:01] <cyborg_> ok motion but I wana use beef to steal money in my bank can I use it
[07:01] <genii> !illegal
[07:02] <no_gravity> genii: Hey, he said it's *his* bank.
[07:02] <Skaface82> but not his bank account
[07:02] <slidinghorn> either way, it's against the rules of this channel, so drop it
[07:03] <genii> Yep
[07:03] <cyborg_> nothing is legal in this world also i'm living in Africa so they aren't so good
[07:04] <genii> We can't help you, if you want to persist you'll have to go somewhere else
[07:04] <cyborg_> ok man don't be in the temper
[07:06] <cyborg_> could you help me i wana download new drivers for ubuntu 14.04
[07:10] <JimBuntu> ol, geez, this is what I get for not paying attention, this is the kind of thing I miss. Uhm, on topic... Chrome was having trouble with switching from full-screen to non-fullstream YouTube, so I installed my NVidia drivers... problem solved.
[07:11] <JimBuntu> cyborg_, uhm, please update to 16.04
[07:12] <JimBuntu> cyborg_, Which 14.04 are you using, just in-case
[07:13] <pumba> 
[07:25] <akem> I got tearing/Vsync issues when playing video with vlc or mplayer in Ubuntu 17.10, nvidia drivers - I tried looking in nvidia-settings, there is just one "sync" option, enabled... any idea about this?
[07:25] <pxh> thanks for all
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> akem: xorg or wayland?
[07:28] <cyborg_> wayland
[07:30] <akem> lotuspsychje, xorg.
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> cyborg_: that wasnt for you
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> akem: wich nvidia driver version?
[07:30] <cyborg_> ok man
[07:30] <akem> lotuspsychje, 384.
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> akem: have you tested tearing on nouveau yet?
[07:32] <akem> lotuspsychje, I didn't; do i need to uninstall the nvidia drivers to test?
[07:32] <bugzbunny> There is TearFree option in Xorg
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> akem: yes you can switch in additional drivers, or sudo apt purge nvidia*
[07:33] <akem> Ok i'll try with nouveau.
[07:33] <bugzbunny> http://www.thelinuxrain.com/articles/got-tearing-with-proprietary-nvidia-try-this
[07:35] <akem> Ok i'll try this nvidia setting first, ty bugzbunny.
[07:36] <chegney> I'm running ubuntu 17.10 on linode... If I upgrade my linode, how do I resize my dist and swap partitions?
[07:37] <chegney> will that require a complete re-install?
[07:38] <bugzbunny> Resize the partition?
[07:38] <bugzbunny> Is this KVM? Xen?
[07:38] <chegney> linode
[07:38] <laddite> hello! I'm trying to upgrade to arm64 version of Artful, but when I run the upgrade I get errors like this: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/artful/main/binary-arm64/Packages
[07:38] <laddite> 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.23 80], E:Failed to fetch I've looked into the parent paths and there is stuff from x86 and amd64, but not for arm? isn't arm supported?
[07:39] <bugzbunny> chegney: Speak to Linode support
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> !arm | laddite
[07:40] <ducasse> chegney: you would need to boot from a live image
[07:41] <akem> Will try nouveau i guess, ty lotuspsychje.
[07:41] <chegney> ducasse: what do you mean? I can boot the server in rescue mode
[07:42] <JimBuntu> live image, as in a bootable USB/DVD/CD chegney
[07:42] <genii> laddite: Use ports.ubuntu.com
[07:44] <ducasse> chegney: it will probably be best to just spin up a new vps and transmit the data/settings
[07:45] <barti> i wish ubuntu 18.04 had whole disk encryption (luks) with tpm implemention #idea
[07:45] <bugzbunny> chegney: ducasse Unless you host the server itself, when you can boot the container from a LiveCD
[07:46] <bugzbunny> Ask Linode support? Has Linode support say they can't accomodate ?
[07:46] <ducasse> bugzbunny: which he doesn't
[07:46] <ducasse> !18.04 | barti
[07:46] <bugzbunny> You can Live resize, but I think Ext4 supports that
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> barti: join #ubuntu+1 please
[07:52] <akem> lotuspsychje, it works i don't have any more tearing, thanks.
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> !yay | akem
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> akem: consider a new !bug to help the community now you found a fix
[07:54] <akem> However, i have a strange problem after reboot, i cannot drag n drop to veracrypt anymore ? but it still works in gimp :/ if you have any idea why...
[07:54] <akem> lotuspsychje, How so?
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> !bug | akem
[07:55] <akem> Ha ok.
[07:57] <akem> I usually drag n drop files from nautilus to veracrypt, volumes and keyfiles, and it stopped working just now, i don't know why it would be related to my nvidia driver uninstall...
[08:13] <Guest69543> does anyone know what version of ubuntu galliumos is based on?
[08:14] <ducasse> Guest69543: better ask them?
[08:14] <Guest69543> I should probably ask in their channel instead
[08:31] <mancman3> oh hes gone, galliumos is based on xubuntu
[08:31] <mancman3> for chromeos
[09:04] <sammyg> how do i get higher resolution on my new pc?
[09:04] <sammyg> i have the intel uhd 630
[09:05] <sammyg> there is no option to change resolution to full hd
[09:05] <mancman3> is your monitor an HD monitor
[09:06] <sammyg> yes
[09:06] <mancman3> settings - screen display
[09:06] <sammyg> only 1024x768 available
[09:06] <mancman3> change resolution in there
[09:06] <mancman3> update intel drivers
[09:07] <sammyg> how?
[09:08] <ducasse> sammyg: which release are you on?
[09:08] <mancman3> super key (windows key) additional drivers - let it search and see - if not goto intel.com/support
[09:08] <sammyg> 17.10
[09:08] <mancman3> www.intel.com/support
[09:08] <sammyg> ubuntu
[09:09] <ducasse> sammyg: you might want to try a later kernel from mainline, see if that has better support for your gpu
[09:09] <ducasse> !mainline
[09:11] <tomreyn> sammyg: also try switching between wayland and X, and see what xrandr has to offer.
[09:13] <sammyg> is there supposed to be an option at login screen to switch to x?
[09:13] <sammyg> i think i have seen it before but i don't see it now
[09:13] <tomreyn> yes
[09:14] <tomreyn> a tiny gear wheel
[09:14] <negrito> hello
[09:14] <sammyg> i only have password field, cancel, sign in
[09:14] <tomreyn> sammyg: i think it only shows after you entered / picked the username
[09:14] <negrito> im a hacker
[09:15] <JimBuntu> negrito, bad hacker
[09:15] <tomreyn> negrito: are you a hacker with an ubuntu support request, though?
[09:15] <negrito> be carefuuullll
[09:15] <JimBuntu> or what?
[09:15] <sammyg> tomreyn, i tried "not listed"
[09:15] <stevendale> negrito, Please run /part before I have to call the ops for disiplinary action
[09:15] <negrito> yo ser RRUUSOO
[09:15] <sammyg> tomreyn, asks for username, then password, then sign in, no option for x
[09:15] <tomreyn> !ot | negrito
[09:16] <sammyg> no gear wheel
[09:16] <negrito> habladme en español c
[09:16] <tomreyn> sammyg: hmm, can you show a screnshot
[09:16] <tomreyn> !es | negrito
[09:16] <JimBuntu> !es | negrito
[09:16] <negrito> ate you a fuck person???
[09:16] <JimBuntu> By negrito
[09:16] <stevendale> !ops
[09:17] <negrito> ??????????????????
[09:17] <MonkeyDust> negrito  wrong channel
[09:17] <negrito> helloooooo???
[09:17] <negrito> hola
[09:18] <sammyg> tomreyn, on imgur or what? is there a built in tool i can use for that?
[09:18] <msanchezl35> jjjjk
[09:18] <negrito> sammyg hello
[09:18] <msanchezl35> hola bebes
[09:18] <msanchezl35> kjmkvmjpfv
[09:18] <msanchezl35> sfvcjsjvfcs
[09:18] <msanchezl35> kreore
[09:18] <negrito> kasv
[09:18] <msanchezl35> feprforkj+fr
[09:18] <msanchezl35> vfrf
[09:18] <msanchezl35> vb
[09:18] <tomreyn> sammyg: hmm no i don't think there is one which works at the login screen
[09:19] <tomreyn> sammyg: i was thinking of taking a photo really.
[09:19] <JimBuntu> negrito,
[09:19] <tomreyn> sammyg: oh and yes, imgur is fine.
[09:19] <JimBuntu> Hablas español ?
[09:19] <sammyg> ok
[09:19] <negrito> bx
[09:19] <msanchezl35> b
[09:19] <negrito> f
[09:19] <msanchezl35> b
[09:19] <negrito> x
[09:19] <msanchezl35> b
[09:20] <JimBuntu> Oh well, I was gonna say Luego ve al canal español
[09:24] <tomreyn> sammyg: if you like watching videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dUyX_kFUDo
[09:25] <tomreyn> written explanation https://itsfoss.com/switch-xorg-wayland/
[09:29] <sammyg> tomreyn, echo says i use x11
[09:29] <sammyg> so i am not in wayland?
[09:30] <sammyg> maybe that's why the gear wheel is missing at login?
[09:30] <tomreyn> sammyg: right, it's one or the other
[09:30] <tomreyn> if you uninstalled wayland thrn that would explain the missing gear wheel
[09:30] <sammyg> i though wayland was the new one
[09:30] <sammyg> i didn't uninstall anything, if that's the case then it never was installed
[09:30] <tomreyn> it's default in 17.10, so you will have modified that
[09:31] <tomreyn> hmm maybe it behaves differently on upgrades
[09:31] <sammyg> i don't know, i just used a usb stick with 17.10 last night and picked "install ubuntu" on the grub menu
[09:31] <tomreyn> so it was a fresh install?
[09:32] <sammyg> it was a clean install yeah
[09:32] <sammyg> but i had two boot options
[09:32] <sammyg> "uefi: ubuntu" and "ubuntu"
[09:32] <sammyg> i used "uefi: ????"
[09:32] <sammyg> not sure of the exact wording
[09:32] <tomreyn> well that's unrelated
[09:33] <sammyg> ok
[09:33] <tomreyn> was this the ubuntu 17.10 desktop installer?
[09:33] <sammyg> yeah it's desktop iso
[09:34] <sammyg> downloaded from ubuntu website
[09:34] <tomreyn> okay, no idea how this happened. maybe 17.10.1 nmo longer installs wayland by default
[09:34] <Emmarof> need help
[09:35] <Emmarof> my / is full. Resizing with gparted doesnt work
[09:35] <tomreyn> sammyg: try mainline then
[09:35] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, when did you last clean out old kernels?
[09:35] <sammyg> i don't think so, because iirc i used this same usb stick to install ubuntu on my old pc and i remember seeing that gear wheel you talk about, but that was an old bios system
[09:36] <Emmarof> yesterday
[09:36] <Emmarof> cfhowlett: that didnt solve my problem
[09:36] <Emmarof> It added about 12Mb of memory
[09:37] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, from command line:         df -H | pastebinit
[09:37] <sammyg> tomreyn, coffee lake not supported on 4.13.0-38-generic?
[09:37] <cfhowlett> and paste the url here, Emmarof
[09:38] <tomreyn> cfhowlett: i don't think it is unless you use the i915 alpha module option
[09:38] <EriC^^> Emmarof: what happened with you yest?
[09:38] <sammyg> tomreyn, yeah it looks like it, https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.15-CFL-No-Alpha
[09:38] <tomreyn> sammyg: modinfo i915 | grep alpha
[09:40] <sammyg> alpha_support enabled
[09:41] <tomreyn> so i guess it doesn't work so well. try mainline+
[09:42] <Emmarof> cfhowlett: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XH2Vcz4Vcs/
[09:43] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, you were right.  not a /boot/ full issue
[09:44] <sammyg> im getting some updates now
[09:44] <sammyg> i think i know now how to add full support for my gpu
[09:45] <sammyg> there is an option for my "unknown device" to get some packages from intel in the software updater
[09:45] <Emmarof> cfhowlett: what do i do now?
[09:46] <tomreyn> sammyg: that'll be microcode updates. worth a try.
[09:46] <cfhowlett> drop some of the snaps, Emmarof e.g. 2 versions of VLC, slack, etc?
[09:47] <tomreyn> Emmarof: this can get you some extra megabytes, too: sudo apt clean
[09:49] <sammyg> tomreyn, yeah it was... now it's no longer displayed after getting the regular updates, says "no additional drivers available"
[09:49] <Emmarof> tomreyn: didn't work
[09:49] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, this ^^^.  In fact, I run this weekly. No out of space issues: sudo apt clean && sudo apt autoclean && sudo apt purge && sudo apt autoremove && sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade && sudo apt -f install
[09:49] <mike_papa> Hello. Does PulseAudio say anything in logs about connecting to server? I have set default-server in ~/.config/pulse/client.conf, but it doesn't have any effect. In pulseaudio -vvvv log there is not a single line with server address in it.
[09:50] <tomreyn> sammyg: you'll need to reboot to apply these changes
[09:50] <mike_papa> Seems like it's not even trying to connect to server :(
[09:51] <tomreyn> Emmarof: "didn't work" is not very helpful for debugging. was there an error message displayed?
[09:51] <tomreyn> !paste | Emmarof
[09:52] <Emmarof> tomreyn: no there wasnt an error message but it did not free up space either
[09:52] <eldji> hi
[09:53] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, did you try removing outdated snaps?
[09:53] <tomreyn> thanks for the improved feedback.
[09:53] <eldji> I want to restore my desktop. someone could help me with commands
[09:54] <sammyg> tomreyn, just rebooted but i still don't see that additional driver option
[09:54] <sammyg> what does the microcode update do?
[09:55] <Emmarof> cfhowlett: how do i remove outdated snaps?
[09:55] <stvn> gooday sport
[09:56] <stvn> does your kernel support the intel coffee lake integrated graphics yet?
[09:56] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, through software center I assume.
[09:56] <akem> I think that's because of Wayland i couldn't drag n drop to veracrypt...not so important.
[09:56] <eldji> i wana also kept my files
[09:56] <tomreyn> sammyg: it's proprietary so we cannot know exactly. it provides bug fixes for intel CPUs (and, i would think, GPUs, too)
[09:56] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, man snap         or tl:dr https://www.howtogeek.com/252047/how-to-install-and-manage-snap-packages-on-ubuntu-16.04-lts/
[09:57] <sammyg> tomreyn, so by selecting that option it will update some code on the cpu?
[09:58] <sammyg> is proprietary the same as closed source? it said "(open source)" next to this option
[09:58] <tomreyn> sammyg: it will update it whenever your computer boots (then forget it when you shut down)
[09:59] <sammyg> ok
[09:59] <tomreyn> sammyg: actully the microcodes are both closed source and proprietary, maybe you installed something else then.
[09:59] <Emmarof> cfhowlett: could it be that i have too many softwares?
[10:00] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, no.  how much total memory on this machine?
[10:00] <sammyg> tomreyn, i don't know, i was in the settings for "software updater" but i didn't check it, i thought i would do that later after installing the regular ubuntu update packages
[10:01] <sammyg> but then later it did not display anymore
[10:01] <sammyg> in the settings for software updater
[10:02] <Emmarof> 350
[10:02] <Emmarof> 50mb
[10:02] <tomreyn> sammyg: if you run "ubuntu-drivers list | nc termbin.com 9999", what's the output?
[10:02] <cfhowlett> ubuntu is not running on 50 mb, Emmarof
[10:02] <Emmarof> 50gb free space
[10:04] <tomreyn> Emmarof: i think cfhowlett was asking about working memory. can you show the output of "free -m | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:04] <sammyg> termbin.com/q6vz
[10:05] <sammyg> i get a blank page
[10:05] <Emmarof> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/xz4f
[10:05] <tomreyn> sammyg: was there an error in the terminal where you ran it?
[10:05] <sammyg> tomreyn, no error, it just output a http address
[10:06] <tomreyn> sammyg: ok, when you run "ubuntu-drivers devices", is there also no output?
[10:06] <Emmarof> cfhowlett: http://termbin.com/xz4f
[10:06] <sammyg> "ubuntu-drivers list" outputs nothing
[10:06] <sammyg> "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" outputs nothing
[10:07] <cfhowlett> Emmarof, sudo snap remove SNAPNAMEHERE
[10:07] <sammyg> "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" outputs nothing
[10:07] <tomreyn> Emmarof: okay, you have 12 GB RAM installed, 9 are unused.
[10:08] <tomreyn> sammyg: okay, so try a mainline kernel
[10:08] <eldji> what beef can do?
[10:08] <tomreyn> !ot | eldji
[10:11] <Emmarof> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/xgo5
[10:12] <tomreyn> Emmarof: what about it?
[10:13] <Emmarof> sda4 is almost full
[10:13] <Emmarof> i want space on it
[10:14] <tomreyn> Emmarof: yes. so (as suggested twice before) delete some snaps.
[10:15] <Emmarof> tomreyn: can i delete any snap at all?
[10:15] <tomreyn> Emmarof: i don't see why not
[10:16] <tomreyn> Emmarof: "snap list" will list the installed snaps
[10:16] <tomreyn> Emmarof: you can delete a package using: sudo snap remove <package>
[10:18] <Emmarof> tomreyn: yea, but there are only 4 snaps
[10:18] <Emmarof> out of which, i regularly use 3
[10:18] <Emmarof> will removing the snap ininstall the software?
[10:19] <Emmarof> tomreyn: there is a snap file called `core      16-2.32.3         4407  stable    canonical     core`, will removing it cause problems?
[10:19] <tomreyn> Emmarof: removing the snap will uninstall the software, unless you still have it installed by other means. for example, you have two versions of "vlc" and two versions of "slack" installed via snaps. you may also have some of these packages installed via apt.
[10:20] <popey> Emmarof: no, removing snaps wont cause a problem other than that software no longer being on your system
[10:20] <tomreyn> Emmarof: the snap "core" is required for snaps to operate properly, so do not remove this.
[10:21] <Emmarof> ok
[10:21] <Emmarof> tomreyn: this freed just 700mb of space
[10:22] <Emmarof> can i get more?
[10:22] <tomreyn> Emmarof: we can try to find out where the space you have available on sda4 is being used, and maybe clear some more data you dont need. we can also check whether you have unpartitioned space available to resize your sda4 partition and file system.
[10:22] <Emmarof> ook
[10:22] <tomreyn> sudo du -shx /*  >&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:23] <Emmarof> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/mn8h
[10:24] <popey> it hasn't finished
[10:24] <Emmarof> popey: ok
[10:24] <Emmarof> i realised
[10:25] <tomreyn> Emmarof: hmm right that's incomplete output. run it again using just this, then paste the output to https://paste.ubuntu.com and tell us the http address you end up on: sudo du -shx /*
[10:26] <popey> it takes a while, probably scanning your home directory as that comes after etc
[10:26] <tomreyn> /home is on a different file system, wont be scanned
[10:26] <popey> it will
[10:26] <tomreyn> not with -x
[10:26] <popey> if it's mounted
[10:26] <popey> ah
[10:27] <Emmarof> tomreyn: it is still loading
[10:27] <tomreyn> Emmarof: that's fine, it can take some minutes
[10:28] <Emmarof> ok
[10:28] <Emmarof> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/0soz
[10:29] <tomreyn> Emmarof: this command loops over all your directories on the root file system ( /dev/sda4 as mounted at / ) and checks how much space is allocated in each.
[10:29] <Emmarof> popey: http://termbin.com/0soz
[10:29] <Emmarof> yea, makes sense
[10:29] <popey> :) 301G home :)
[10:30] <Emmarof> popey: but it has 50Gb space
[10:30] <Emmarof> free space i mean
[10:30] <Emmarof> and home is on sda7 not sda4
[10:30] <tomreyn> popey: sorry, you were right, i'm not sure why it did this, though
[10:31] <Emmarof> popey: http://termbin.com/l13l
[10:32] <Emmarof> tomreyn: what can i do now?
[10:32] <tomreyn> Emmarof: what is in /opt ?
[10:32] <sammyg> tomreyn, in usb live session now, bios mode, session type x11, no gear wheel at login, full hd res working ok
[10:32] <popey> I like to use the "ncdu" tool to see the specifics of whats in a folder, so "apt install ncdu" and then "ncdu /opt"
[10:32] <popey> which will show you a sorted navigable list of directories. very handy for this problem
[10:33] <tomreyn> sammyg: which ubuntu release?
[10:34] <sammyg> 17.10
[10:34] <Emmarof> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/m37is
[10:34] <tomreyn> sammyg: interesting :) i don't knwo what caused your full resolution not to be available on X on the installed system then.
[10:35] <sammyg> in sofware and update settings, additional drivers, "unknown: unknown; this device is not working; using processor microcode firmware for intel cpus from intel-microcode (proprietary)" but it's set to "do not use the device
[10:35] <sammyg> this is the line i was seeing before
[10:35] <tomreyn> Emmarof: so if you  dont need some of this i suggest you uninstall it
[10:36] <tomreyn> sammyg: right, it wont use microcode updates on the installer, i think.
[10:36] <Emmarof> tomreyn: i use all of them
[10:37] <sammyg> tomreyn, eyah i had exactly the same thing displayed on the installed instance, so i think this is unrelated
[10:38] <sammyg> tomreyn, now in live usb session again, this time in uefi mode, and i do NOT have full hd support now, so there you go it's the bios vs. uefi war again
[10:38] <sammyg> so i basically need to install ubuntu in bios mode and it will just work
[10:39] <tomreyn> Emmarof: whenn then i guess you ownly remaining options are to (a) increase the capacity of the / (dev/sda4) partition (by either shrinking others, such as /home, or by allocating free space you arecurrently don't have allocated, if any) or (b) install additional storage.
[10:39] <sammyg> don't ask me why i have no idea
[10:39] <tomreyn> sammyg: oh, that's a bummer. :-/ bad mainboard firmware. maybe install an update, if there is one available.
[10:40] <ToZn> hey, how do i change keyboardlanguage from english to danish, from terminal in ubuntu 11.10 ?
[10:40] <tomreyn> ToZn: 11.10 ?
[10:40] <cfhowlett> tdn, 11.10 is old and unsupported here
[10:40] <cfhowlett> WAY obsolete
[10:40] <Emmarof> tomreyn: i tried that option. Booted from a liveusb, freed space on /sda7, added it to sda4 but it only ends up in error and never completes
[10:40] <sammyg> yeah i will toy with it a bit later, it's the asus rog z370 f gaming
[10:40] <sammyg> thanks for your help tomreyn
[10:41] <tomreyn> Emmarof: what kind of error?
[10:41] <Emmarof> i thought i didnt give it enough time, i started at 8pm, as at 6am, it was still in progress so i had to cancel it
[10:41] <ToZn> hmm that sucks..
[10:42] <Emmarof> is it because i used 16.04 liveusb on 17.10 installation?
[10:42] <akik> ToZn: you can temporarily set it with setxkbmap. are you going to update the installation?
[10:43] <tomreyn> akik: this is SO old, it should not be upgraded.
[10:43] <tomreyn> 7 years old, and it wasn't LTS to begin with
[10:43] <akik> tomreyn: well i meant, update to current
[10:44] <ToZn> im following a exploiting course, on https://exploit-exercises.com/nebula/ and the machine they use is ubuntu 11.10 .. the problem is that i have a danish keyboard
[10:44] <cfhowlett> your course is using obsolete software?  and you PAID for this?
[10:45] <tomreyn> Emmarof: it should not take this long, unless your file systems were already almost or entirely full then.
[10:45] <akik> maybe it's that old so that it can be exploited :)
[10:46] <tomreyn> Emmarof: always use a liveusb version of the ubuntu release you have installed to modify the system. or any newer one, this usually works, too.
[10:46] <Th3Mafia> Due to an overlap in subnets in two networks I had to merge I have used a double NAT and mapped 172.16.0.0/12 to 1.16.0.0/12. Is there a way DNS masq can query the DNS server and rewrite all results to 1.16.x.x
[10:47] <Emmarof> tomreyn: read gparted doesnt work well on 17.10
[10:48] <tomreyn> ToZn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases lists the support periods and end of life dates for ubuntu releases. 11.10 was released in oct 2011 and supported until may 2013. that's 5 years ago.
[10:49] <tomreyn> Emmarof: you can use the gparted live iso
[10:49] <Emmarof> i tried using linuxliveusb to mount it, it didnt work
[10:49] <tomreyn> Emmarof: https://gparted.org/download.php
[10:50] <tomreyn> Emmarof: obviously, be sure you have current, complete, and actually restorable backups.
[10:51] <ToZn> okay can i update my old ubuntu so i get a newer version there is supported ? tomreyn ?
[10:51] <Emmarof> tomreyn: how do i mount it?
[10:51] <Emmarof> the only way i know isnt working
[10:52] <tomreyn> ToZn: you could try, but i really recommend against it. it would probably also brak the test scenario.
[10:52] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | ToZn
[10:52] <tomreyn> Emmarof: what are you trying to mount?
[10:53] <Emmarof> mount the gparted live
[10:53] <akik> ToZn: setxkbmap dk
[10:53] <tomreyn> Emmarof: you don't mount it, you write it to an usb stick or cdrom/dvd-rom
[10:54] <tomreyn> Emmarof: and then you boot off it.
[10:55] <Emmarof> tomreyn: isnt that same as how we create bootable usb for linux installation?
[10:56] <tomreyn> Th3Mafia: double nat is super ugly. and you should really not use ip address ranges which are used on the internet within any local / other networks. other than that, i suggest you seek assistence in ##networking
[10:57] <tomreyn> Emmarof: yes, same process
[10:58] <Emmarof> so i use liveliveusb creator
[10:59] <Emmarof> but it doesnt work for gparted
[11:00] <akik> Emmarof: what do you mean doesn't work?
[11:00] <Emmarof> it tells me everything is ok but i am not able to boot into it
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:01] <tomreyn> Emmarof: what are you planning to do once you'll be running gparted? do you actually have spare capacity which you can assign to sda4?
[11:01] <Emmarof> i am planning to shrink sda7 for 20Gb and add it to sda4
[11:01] <Emmarof> BluesKaj: hello
[11:02] <tomreyn> Emmarof: okay, good strategy.
[11:03] <Emmarof> i have never experience this problem before
[11:03] <Emmarof> is it cause i dont have a swap partition?
[11:03] <tomreyn> Emmarof: what is "this problem"?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Hi Emmarof
[11:03] <Emmarof> i mean lack of space on / when  /home has space
[11:04] <akik> Emmarof: rufus is another windows program to write isos on usb sticks. after you launch it, press alt-i once. this activates its dd write mode, then you can write the gparted iso on the usb stick
[11:04] <Emmarof> the linuxliveusb worked
[11:05] <Emmarof> i am about to start
[11:05] <akik> :}
[11:05] <akik> magic
[11:05] <Emmarof> yea, magic
[11:05] <tomreyn> Emmarof: this is not because you don't have a swap partition, but because / ran full. / can run full if you install more software than there is space available on this file system (there are other possible explanations, but they do not apply here).
[11:05] <Emmarof> tomreyn: ok
[11:06] <Emmarof> so during installation, you must think about the number of softwares you wanna install and do the allocation accordingly
[11:07] <tomreyn> Emmarof: if you decide to have /home on a seperate partition, as you did (or the installer did for you), yes.
[11:07] <Emmarof> ok
[11:07] <Emmarof> about to start
[11:08]  * tomreyn holds breath
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Emmarof, do you occasionally run, sudo apt-get autoremove and  sudo apt-get autoclean to keep your / partition free of unused data
[11:10] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: we ran apt clean earlier, not much (any?) space was recovered.
[11:10] <Emmarof_> tomreyn: USB is the highest priority in my bios but the boot manager is the one being selected
[11:11] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, ok, that's unfortunate
[11:12] <Draegon> Is there any way to map a graphics tablet to only one monitor? I'm using Ubuntu 14.04
[11:13] <tomreyn> Emmarof_: try enabling / disabling compatibility support module (CSM) / Legacy BIOS support in your BIOS.
[11:13] <tomreyn> Emmarof_: be sure to take note of what the current settings are before you change them
[11:14] <Emmarof_> i cant see it
[11:18] <akik> Emmarof_: sometimes i've had to turn the computer off first for the usb stick to show in the boot menu
[11:18] <Emmarof_> akik: did that
[11:22] <tomreyn> Emmarof_: maybe the usb stick wasnt written properly. you could try doing it the way it is discussed on the gparted website. https://gparted.org/liveusb.php
[11:24] <Irritiable|LT> Emmarof_: What's your issue...?
[11:24] <tomreyn> Emmarof_:  you could also tell us more about the environment you work with, the hardware you have, whether its a ready-made system or one you assembled yourself etc.
[11:27] <Irritiable|LT> tomreyn: What was his issue? He can't get Ubuntu to see the USB or he can't get his EFI to load Ubuntu (sort of like what my problem was)?
[11:29] <Draegon> Is it possible to map a graphics tablet to only 1 monitor in a dual monitor setup?
[11:31] <Irritiable|LT> [06:12:25] <Draegon> Is there any way to map a graphics tablet to only one monitor? I'm using Ubuntu 14.04
[11:31] <Irritiable|LT> [06:29:04] <Draegon> Is it possible to map a graphics tablet to only 1 monitor in a dual monitor setup?
[11:31] <Irritiable|LT> Unfortunately: I have no idea. I'm just letting you know: Others have seen your message. :s
[11:31] <Draegon> OK, thanks.
[11:31] <tomreyn> Irritiable|LT: / ran full, we recovered some space, but more is desirable. /home is on seperate partition and has space available. goal no is to shrink /home and add then unpartitioned space to / . the installed system is 17.10. they say the 17.10 live's gparted does not work well, so now they're trying to gparted-live to boot off a usb stick. the bios does not seem to list this usb stick as a bootable  device, though.
[11:32] <Irritiable|LT> OH. Okay.
[11:32] <tomreyn> s/goal no is/the goal now is/
[11:32] <Irritiable|LT> I understand. The bootable USB part is what's making me wonder. I'm assuming he's using a SSD?
[11:33] <Irritiable|LT> This SSD had a bad sector somewhere. It was the source cause of most of my dd issues (from last month).
[11:38] <tomreyn> the type of the removable storage is yet unknown.
[11:39] <akik> if the 17.10 live gparted problem was because of wayland and sudo, the fix is to run "xhost +si:localuser:root"
[11:40] <inwill> hello
[11:40] <Irritiable|LT> Hi, inwill.
[11:43] <inwill> I am installing XAMPP,but it seems don't support postgresql
[11:47] <bazhang> inwill, we dont support xampp
[11:47] <bazhang> use lamp instead
[11:49] <inwill> oh,thanks.renewing
[12:36] <eldji> here are people?
[12:37] <asissuthar> yup
[12:38] <eldji> ok i have a real bug with my ubuntu could you help me?
[12:40] <MonkeyDust> eldji  let's hear it, in one line
[12:41] <eldji> you couldn't
[12:56] <MonkeyDust> shortest support ever
[12:57] <Irritiable|LT> !next
[12:57] <Irritiable|LT> Darn. No bot. :(
[13:04] <sammyg> installing ubuntu 17.10 desktop on coffee lake intel in bios mode enables full hd res support, doing the same in uefi mode does not enable full hd res support
[13:05] <sammyg> could this have anything to do with secure boot?
[13:06] <sammyg> also x11 gets installed instead of waland
[13:09] <sammyg> why am i not getting wayland? has it been removed in the latest desktop iso files?
[13:11] <sammyg> selecting "using processor microcode firmware for intel cpus from intel-microcode (open source)" and applying changes prompts for password, but providing my root password results in "sorry, that didn't work. please try again"
[13:12] <sammyg> i am pretty sure i am using the correct password
[13:12] <sammyg> it's the same one i log in with is it not?
[13:12] <sammyg> i am the only user here
[13:13] <Hexagenic> Have you tried the password of your current user?
[13:13] <sammyg> yes, i can sign in with it, just tested to verify that it's correct
[13:14] <sammyg> it's a very simple and dumb one, just "pass"
[13:14] <sammyg> so no spelling mistakes
[13:14] <sammyg> am i root?
[13:14] <ducasse> sammyg: is this a hybrid gpu system with both intel and nvidia?
[13:15] <sammyg> integrated graphics in the cpu
[13:15] <sammyg> intel + intel
[13:16] <sammyg> intel 8700 cpu
[13:16] <sammyg> non-K model, so this one has IGP
[13:16] <sammyg> one of the reasons i bought it, plus the reduced price i got
[13:16] <sammyg> rumor has it that chips with IGP get faster support on linux/gnu
[13:17] <sammyg> because they get support in kernel
[13:17] <wh0ami> help
[13:17] <wh0ami> whois
[13:17] <sammyg> hi! it's me!
[13:18] <sammyg> ;)
[13:18] <sammyg> but why would ubuntu installation differ so much depending on if you run the installer in bios or uefi mode?
[13:20] <sammyg> "applying changes... a proprietary driver has private code that ubuntu developers can't review or improve. security and other updates are dependent on the driver vendor"
[13:21] <sammyg> i was able to authenticate the installation after signing out and signing back in while i was verifying the correctness of my password
[13:21] <sammyg> but how is this proprietary? when it says "using processor microcode firmware for intel cpus from intel-microcode (open source)"?
[13:22] <sammyg> note "open source"
[13:22] <JRS> test
[13:22] <lapaga> sammyg, i have no idea if this is something you are interested but...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UEFI-and-BIOS
[13:24] <sammyg> lapaga, you mean the password is "changeme"?
[13:26] <sammyg> i don't know what to make of that article, don't see the relevance here
[13:27] <sammyg> i am not making a universal, bootable, installed, usb pendrive that i can bring with me and boot the school and work computers off of
[13:28] <sammyg> yes it discusses the unique problems of uefi systems vs bios, but so do so many other articles
[13:28] <sammyg> uefi is something we can't run away from anymore, but still, most linux/gnu systems and tools are optimized for bios
[13:30] <sammyg> even though i now have full hd support after installing ubuntu in bios mode, i can see a lot of lag when drawing UI elements
[13:31] <sammyg> so much so that after i log in for example the whole desktop screen is drawn like in slow motion, like on old computers from the 1980s, starting with the top of the screen and then drawing it line by line as it goes down
[13:32] <sammyg> or an old GIF image on the internet in year 1996
[13:33] <sammyg> so even though it works now, it's not optimal, and i have already installed these "proprietary" drivers/intel microcode that are marked as "open source"
[13:35] <sammyg> installing some updates now...
[13:39] <sammyg> still slow UI rendering and the blinds being pulled down kind of effect
[13:39] <akik> sammyg: did you try the xorg session instead of the wayland session? the choice is in the login screen
[13:40] <sammyg> akik, no it's not i discussed this earlier with tomreyn
[13:40] <akik> sammyg: it's not what?
[13:40] <sammyg> for some reason i don't get wayland installed at all, ever
[13:41] <sammyg> not on this new pc
[13:41] <sammyg> i did have it on the old pc
[13:41] <sammyg> i mean the gear wheel is only visible (i assume) if you have wayland installed, if it ain't installed there is no need to display that since x11 is only installed
[13:42] <sammyg> it's a custom built desktop pc, so there was no OS on it before, and i wanted to install and run ubuntu on it
[13:42] <sammyg> but it looks like i will have to wait for kernel 4.15
[13:43] <sammyg> this is 4.13
[13:44] <sammyg> i don't want to mess with kernels myself, i think i have done that only once before when i had an issue with a usb wifi antenna, years ago, i know it was not very easy to do, not for me
[13:44] <akik> sammyg: you can test with the mainline kernels
[13:44] <akik> sammyg: they are pre-built and install easily in ubuntu
[13:45] <sammyg> yeah i could do that
[13:46] <sammyg> but i have already spent several hours on this
[13:46] <sammyg> what's another hour! :)
[13:46] <sammyg> lmgt
[13:46] <akik> it's a journey
[13:47] <cfhowlett> the economists would suggest that those hours are a sunk cost.  now it's time to apply the best solution.
[13:54] <Thedarkb> I'm having some serious issues with sleep on Lubuntu 17.10
[13:54] <Thedarkb> It keeps crashing.
[13:54] <sammyg> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15.17/
[13:55] <sammyg> do i need all the header files for amd64?
[13:55] <sammyg> or only the generic and the image for it?
[13:55] <akik> sammyg: i usually install the three debs, all and generic
[13:58] <katnip> those kernels arent in 18.04 /yet/
[13:59] <sammyg> hey i got the gear wheel now! :)
[13:59] <sammyg> wow!
[13:59] <sammyg> it all works now! :)
[14:00] <sammyg> thanks for persuading me to try a different kernel :)
[14:00] <sammyg> i was expecting it to be more complicated than it was
[14:04] <sammyg> i wonder if i can make it work in uefi mode as well, will try
[14:07] <sammyg> uefi mode installation requires an "ESP" partition?
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | sammyg
[14:12] <acdc_> hello. I upgraded my Ubuntu from 14.04 to 16.04. There were errors unfortunately and now when I try to turn on my laptop in doesn't even enter grub
[14:13] <acdc_> How do I fix this?
[14:15] <compdoc> it just sits there? no drive light activity?
[14:18] <Serizawa> hihihi
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> Serizawa: can we help you?
[14:19] <Serizawa> no thanks
[14:19] <Serizawa> lotuspsychje hi
[14:20] <Serizawa> hmmm
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> Serizawa: only ubuntu support here please
[14:24] <sammyg> with kernel 4.15.17 i now get full hd support in uefi mode, and wayland also works
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> !yay | sammyg
[14:25] <sammyg> huge relief! :)
[14:25] <sammyg> thanks for your support everyone!
[14:26] <Thedarkb> I'm having some serious issues with sleep on Lubuntu 17.10
[14:26] <Thedarkb> It keeps crashing.
[14:31] <ashkanani> hi all
[14:38] <Guest10948> hi! do i need any tweaks if select the btrfs filesystem during manual partitionig, when OS install?
[14:39] <adrian_1908> I'm trying to set up iptables rules for my Desktop. The following article mentions that iptables rules might conflict with NetworkManager. How would you suggest I proceed? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo#Configuration_on_startup
[14:40] <adrian_1908> For server installations, you'd not have NetworkManager from what I gather, but what does on do on the Desktop?
[14:42] <tomreyn> adrian_1908: you can use network manager with servers just fine
[14:42] <tomreyn> have you considered using gufw for firewalling your desktop?
[14:43] <adrian_1908> tomreyn: I suspect that (g)ufw is not well suited for custom rules, or is it? I need to handle things like containers/NAT too.
[14:44] <adrian_1908> I used nftables until now but LXD is a pain to use without iptables, so I think I'll revert to it for now instead of fighting against it.
[14:44] <tomreyn> i see. it works for me, using virtualbox and bridging, but i don't know how well it would work with containers
[14:47] <tomreyn> adrian_1908: i suspect that network-manager and iptables don't actually conflict nowadays. but i don't know for sure whether NM still configures iptables rules (which is what i assume this statement referred to back when this section on the ubuntu wiki was last updated).
[14:49] <tomreyn> Feisty and Hardy, the ubuntu releases this text refers to, are releases from a long forgotten past.
[14:49] <tomreyn> !feisty
[14:49] <adrian_1908> yeah, i wonder about that. quite a few programs like to inject their own rules, given the opportunity. It might not be an issue anymore. I'll do some more digging, maybe ufw isn't such a bad choice after all. I'm just worried about hidden complexity, since I want fixed rules I'm in control of.
[14:49] <tomreyn> !hardy
[14:51] <tomreyn> adrian_1908: ufw's ruleset can be complemented by your own set of custom rules if you need any
[14:52] <tomreyn> see /etc/ufw/before.rules etc
[14:53] <tomreyn> there are several ways to add rules for both ipv4 and ipv6, and even hooks to run custom scripts.
[15:06] <root_> hi
[15:06] <root_> korean ubuntu irc server
[15:07] <root_> no?
[15:07] <root_> oh
[15:07] <root_> hey
[15:08] <root_> korean ubuntu irc server
[15:08] <root_> not?
[15:13] <adrian_1908> !korean | root_
[15:24] <jakatingkir> hello
[15:36] <serizawa> hi i want to ask
[15:36] <tomreyn> !ask | serizawa
[15:38] <serizawa> wait..
[15:48] <acdc_> !patience
[15:49] <adrian_1908> I have a question about "netplan". Is is basically just a configuration generator for other utilites?
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> !msgthebot | acdc_
[15:50] <adrian_1908> I originally thought it replaced existing infrastructure, but it seems more like it unified configuration in one place, feeding the config to the usual suspects. Is that correct?
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> adrian_1908, I'm not familiar with netplan, however this site should have all the information you need: https://netplan.io/
[15:52] <adrian_1908> pragmaticenigma: yeah, i looked at that, just trying to confirm if I got the basic idea right.
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> adrian_1908, from my interpretation, it allows static settings to be set in a more friendly manner and then generates a config file to be used by the system network management services
[15:54] <adrian_1908> yeah, that's the way I understood it too.
[15:54] <ducasse> adrian_1908: it generates configs for nm or systemd-networkd, yes
[15:54] <adrian_1908> a related question, does "systemd-networkd" run on all ubuntu systems by default? I only found "networking.service" on my machine and was wondering if that's the same.
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu uses NetworkManager by default
[15:55] <adrian_1908> Yeah, I uninstalled that.
[15:56] <ducasse> server uses networkd
[15:59] <adrian_1908> i see. looks like the "networking.service" just invokes ifup on startup, ifdown when disabled. I think I'll look into netplan when i switch to 18.04, everything works fine right now without a network manager (it seems).
[16:00] <adrian_1908> s/disabled/stopped
[16:05] <Sven_vB> I have a working "find" command to find files whose name matches a certain regexp. however, I want to have files in higher directories listed first, matches in subdirectories later. I found no such option in "man find"; is there a trick, or another tool that can do it?
[16:12] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: write a script to search 1 layer at a time
[16:13] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, I try to avoid having to implement all the other checks like -xmount
[16:13] <metalbiker> hey i wanted to ask where i can find the place where all ppa:repositories are kept
[16:13] <confluency> Sven_vB: have a look at these discussions: https://www.google.com/search?q=unix+find+breadth+first
[16:13] <leftyfb> metalbiker: you mean the file(s)?
[16:13] <confluency> metalbiker: /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[16:13] <Sven_vB> -mount I meant (alias for -xdev)
[16:13] <Sven_vB> confluency, thanks!
[16:14] <EriC^^> metalbiker: what confluency said
[16:14] <metalbiker> oh so repositories are files on our computers?
[16:14] <fxnoob> ubuntu mate on raspberry pi 2 is kinda slow
[16:14] <metalbiker> can you tell i'm a noob? lmao
[16:14] <confluency> metalbiker: there is nothing on your computer which is "the repository".
[16:14] <EriC^^> metalbiker: those files tell the package manager to download the list of packages from that repository
[16:14] <leftyfb> metalbiker: exactly why I asked the question. Are you referring to the list of sources of ppa's or the actual ppa's hosted on launchpad.net?
[16:15] <metalbiker> leftyfb: the actual ppa's hosted on launchpad.net
[16:15] <confluency> metalbiker: those are not a thing on your computer.
[16:15] <leftyfb> metalbiker: they're hosted on launchpad.net
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> fxnoob, Do you have a support question regarding Ubuntu?
[16:16] <fxnoob> yes, how can I make it a lil faster
[16:16] <leftyfb> metalbiker: why do you ask?
[16:16] <fxnoob> I already use class 10 sd card
[16:16] <metalbiker> so i'm looking to install, say thunderbird, i'd go to launchpad and search for it and got through the commands to get it?
[16:16] <confluency> metalbiker: your computer stores configuration which says that your package manager knows about those repositories, and it stores some files it downloads from those repositories (the package files, and metadata which describes the available packages).
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> fxnoob, You're running Ubuntu on a low powered computing device. There is nothing you can do to make it faster. Except to purchase a full computer.
[16:16] <leftyfb> metalbiker: sudo apt install thunderbird
[16:16] <confluency> metalbiker: you don't need a PPA for Thunderbird.
[16:16] <Sven_vB> for log readers: one of the workarounds from http://stackoverflow.com:80/questions/539583 is what I currently use, printf-ing the depth (%d) as first row, then sorting
[16:17] <fxnoob> pragmaticenigma: :)
[16:17] <confluency> metalbiker: unless you want some bleeding-edge version (don't do that unless you really really need one).
[16:17] <confluency> metalbiker: you search for the package using your local package manager (using a GUI, or apt on the commandline).
[16:17] <fxnoob> pragmaticenigma: runs great in console
[16:18] <confluency> metalbiker: then you install it with the package manager. It's like an app store.
[16:18] <metalbiker> confluency: oh ok! that'd be great!
[16:18] <confluency> metalbiker: you only look for PPAs if something is not in the official repos.
[16:18] <metalbiker> leftyfb: i was wanting to use the minimal installation of kubuntu and just install what i wanted to use
[16:19] <leftyfb> metalbiker: ok, so install thunderbird as suggested above
[16:19] <metalbiker> confluency: ok, gotcha!
[16:19] <confluency> metalbiker: because adding a PPA means you can still use the package manager to get the thing -- if you have to install from source or some standalone binary, your package manager doesn't know about it and that makes thing more messy.
[16:20] <metalbiker> confluency: understood. and i don't want messy. lol i want things to run smooth. i just like the idea of minimal installs since i get to install what i want and learn more about doing it in the process.
[16:21] <confluency> metalbiker: if you can't find the package because you're not sure what the name is (sometimes it's not exactly the same as the application name), then you can do a web search to try to find out. But you should still use the package manager to install it, not download installers from websites. Searching for ubuntu package <whatever> usually works pretty well.
[16:21] <leftyfb> metalbiker: again, do you minimal install, but thunderbird is still available to install in your minimal install from the official repositories
[16:22] <fxnoob> pragmaticenigma: how is support for armv7? when 18.04 stable will be released, how much time will I have to wait for arm port?
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> metalbiker, while installing a package looks like a lot of stuff is being installed, it's all required for the application to run smoothly. In the opensource community applications build off of each other. One application may require other applications to be installed in order to run. It's to reduce to remaking something that already exists. But know that it's only installed because it needs to be.
[16:23] <metalbiker> leftyfb: ok. one thing i noticed when i did the minimal installation for kubuntu, the discover software center wasn't there. i think the muon package manager was there, but not the software center. so to get the software from the official repositories, i'd go through muon package manager?
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> fxnoob, please see /join #ubuntu-arm for ARMv7 support, see /join #ubuntu+1 for support questions on 18.04
[16:25] <fxnoob> ty
[16:25] <metalbiker> pragmaticenigma: now that changes my way of thinking. so a program that i may never use has to be installed for something i do use to run correcly?
[16:25] <metalbiker> just to make it easy and less messy? i think i'm getting the hang of this! lol
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> metalbiker, that's the idea... I write a lot of software, it doesn't make sense for me to start from scratch when someone else has already done all the work. While I may not need all the features of their code/library/application, it helps me get my application development done faster and less buggy
[16:27] <confluency> metalbiker: if it's required by another package, then you are going to "use" it. But packages aren't just applications that you run; they're also utilities and libraries that applications depend on.
[16:28] <metalbiker> pragmaticenigma: understood. makes sense.
[16:28] <confluency> metalbiker: applications don't have monolithic installers that bundle up a copy of everything the application uses -- applications use lower-level components which are installed in standard locations on your system.
[16:28] <confluency> And they share them.
[16:29] <confluency> Sometimes an app has its own custom copy of something, but that's rare,
[16:29] <metalbiker> confluency: ok, i get that, too.
[16:29] <confluency> Unless it's something from outside the ecosystem, like a commercial game.
[16:29] <metalbiker> ok, cool.
[16:29] <confluency> They usually come in a big blob of stuff.
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> Another way to think of it is a buying a car. You buy a car from companies like Toyota, GM, Fiat... but they didn't make the tires, engines, wires, glass, seats. Those all come from other companies. The advantage in linux is, the tires can also be used on any of those cars. So they come packaged independently
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> The metaphor breaks where you can't share the tires at the same time in the real world, but in the computer multiple applications can use those libraries at the same time
[16:36] <metalbiker> pragmaticenigma: lol that's a good analogy. it's like saying that each vehicle can't share a single set of tires but they can use the same brand and type of tires. so like you and i need a set of tires, we can't share just 4 tires between us but we can both use the same brand and type of tires.
[16:43] <x0r_> exit
[16:45] <bnason> Does anyone know of a replacement dock that works more like the windows taskbar? I want to be able to ungroup the app windows and see window titles
[16:49] <george2002> j/ #panas
[16:56] <Simonious_> still getting, "ImportError: No module named serial", after doing, "pip install pyserial"  Please advise
[16:56] <xangua> bnason: it seems you'd be more interested in more traditional desktop environments (kde, Xfce, mate). I don't really remember all the names of all the "docks" out there but I believe there's one called dockbar X
[16:57] <bnason> thanks ill look into that
[17:24] <rypervenche> Simonious_: Are you sure you're using the same version of Python as your pip version?
[17:24] <Simonious_> rypervenche: I'm not sure, how do I become sure?
[17:25] <rypervenche> Simonious_: How are you trying to import the module? In a script?
[17:25] <Simonious_> yes
[17:25] <Simonious_> esptool.py to be exact
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> Simonious_, what version of Python are you targeting?
[17:25] <Simonious_> 2.7
[17:25] <rypervenche> Simonious_: And what is at the top of the file? Do you have a shebang?
[17:25] <Simonious_> yes
[17:26] <Simonious_> #!/usr/bin/env python
[17:26] <rypervenche> Simonious_: And type "python" from the command line. What version does it show?
[17:26] <Simonious_> Python 2.7.12
[17:26] <rypervenche> Simonious_: How about "pip -V"
[17:26] <eraserpencil> is vsftpd still relevant in 2018?
[17:26] <Simonious_> pip 10.0.0 from /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pip-10.0.0-py2.7.egg/pip (python 2.7)
[17:28] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil, vsftpd is still available as a package. As for relevance, that's a better topic for /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:30] <Simonious_> https://ghostbin.com/paste/qqgp9
[17:30] <Simonious_> puzzling, things *seem* to line up, but it doesn't work
[17:30] <ioria> Simonious_, how did you install pip ?
[17:31] <Simonious_> well.. I tried multiple times..  standby
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> Simonious_, if you open a Interactive Python prompt, can you import it through there?
[17:31] <Simonious_> ioria: https://ghostbin.com/paste/zswfa
[17:32] <Simonious_> pragmaticenigma: import serial does not work at the python prompt
[17:32] <ioria> Simonious_, nope, i mean  ... you should have /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages not /usr/local/lib/python2.7/
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> Simonious_, what is the output of "whereis python" ?
[17:33] <Simonious_> pragmaticenigma: https://ghostbin.com/paste/zswfa
[17:33] <Simonious_> ioria: looking
[17:34] <Saaq> Hi guys, I managed to do something incredebly stupid and now my sudo access is "denied". I accidentally wrote "sudo mv / /randomfolder". Now I get the error message https://ghostbin.com/paste/xb6tm . Does anyone know what I should do to restore my sudo access?
[17:34] <ioria> !info python2-serial
[17:34] <ioria> !info python3-serial
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> Simonious_, what version of ubuntu are you on?
[17:35] <Simonious_> ioria: https://ghostbin.com/paste/3p7sq
[17:36] <Simonious_> pragmaticenigma: DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS"
[17:36] <ioria> Simonious_, try   sudo easy_install pyserial
[17:37] <Simonious_> ioria: that appears to have done it, trying some things
[17:38] <ioria> ok
[17:39] <Simonious_> ioria: yes, the tool seems to be working, thanks!
[17:39] <hggdh> Saaq: pretty mouch your only option is to boot from a USB/CD/DVD, mount your old root, and move back the directories
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> !yay | Simonious_
[17:40] <ioria> Simonious_, ok, you'r welcm
[17:40] <Saaq> @hggdh I do have root access with "su -". Does this help?
[17:41] <hggdh> Saaq: if you can su - to root, then you are probably OK
[17:41] <hggdh> Saaq: just undo what you have done
[17:43] <hggdh> I would be sort of surprised, though
[17:44] <mumrikmoose> nvidia and rt kernel.. possible?
[17:45] <ioria> retpoline ?
[17:47] <Saaq> @hggdh I have moved back all the files that I messed up. Still getting the message.
[17:47] <Saaq> Got any other ways to restore sudo permission?
[17:47] <hggdh> Saaq: *same* error?
[17:47] <MJCD> where the heck in ubuntu mate do I set the mouse scroll behaviour/sensitivity
[17:48] <vigour> Hello, I want to make a sever on my network with all my media on it, and then connect to it with my phone and a kodi box. What software is good for that?
[17:48] <vigour> if it was windows I'd do samba but are there other things?
[17:49] <Saaq> @hggdh https://ghostbin.com/paste/xb6tm
[17:50] <hggdh> Saaq: well, the error message is clear: there is no /etc/sudoers
[17:50] <Saaq> @vigour I use plex for that exact usage. But I guess kodi would do the same
[17:50] <hggdh> Saaq: ergo, you did not recover everything
[17:51] <Saaq> Okay :/ Well, can I somehow recreate /etc/sudoers ?
[17:51] <mumrikmoose> vigour: maybe google for "linux media server"?
[17:51] <hggdh> Saaq: yes, of course you can. But the point is if /etc/sudoers was not recovered, what else is missing?
[17:53] <compdoc> vigour, i use mythtv as a backend server. it records tv shows for me, that I watch on kodi
[17:53] <vigour> @saaq I'll look into kodi, didn't know it oculd be a server
[17:53] <mumrikmoose> vigour: was a while so not up to date with the current status of linux media servers and their mobile phone connectivity.. Last I used a RaspBerryPI with some success at a party :)
[17:53] <vigour> also, I guess just take a copy of another sudoers file and adapt it to mean what you need it to mean?
[17:54] <hggdh> Saaq: for reference, this is the standard /etc/sudoers in Bionic: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qk56VqckH8/
[17:54] <Saaq> @hggdh The problem is that I do have a /etc/sudoers file. Content: https://ghostbin.com/paste/52en2 . I don't really know what's missing since I've moved all the files back from the mv fuck-up.
[17:55] <hggdh> Saaq: looks kosher. But the error states NO /etc/sudoers was found, which does not quite match with you having a /etc/sudoers
[17:55] <hggdh> Saaq: oh
[17:55] <hggdh> Saaq: the error is "permission denied"
[17:56] <vigour> aha!
[17:56] <vigour> anyone know if it has to be in a special group or anything?
[17:56] <Saaq> hggdh: (Y) Yeah, I was thinking that x)
[17:56] <hggdh> Saaq: /usr/bin/sudo should be setuid to roor
[17:56] <hggdh> *root
[17:56] <hggdh> and I bet it is not
[17:57] <mumrikmoose> quite frustrating that I lost my screen resolution cause Nvidia apparently does not support a PREEMPT RT kernel :(
[17:57] <Saaq> @hggdh how do I check that?
[17:58] <hggdh> Saaq: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[17:58] <hggdh> Saaq: if it is not owned by root, and does not have the setuid bit on, it has the wrong permissions
[17:58] <Saaq> @hggdh -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 136808 Jul  4  2017 /usr/bin/sudo
[17:58] <hggdh> the plot thinckens
[17:59] <Saaq> Is this getting fun yet? ;)
[17:59] <hggdh> Saaq: what is the output of whereis sudo?
[18:00] <Saaq> https://ghostbin.com/paste/ds37z
[18:00] <Saaq> @hggdg https://ghostbin.com/paste/ds37z *
[18:01] <hggdh> Saaq: the only other thing that comes to my mind now is the filesystem mount with nosuid...
[18:02] <vigour> ooh ohh
[18:02] <vigour> visudo is a thing
[18:02] <vigour> maybe if you use visudo it'll make you a nice file with everything set nice
[18:02] <vigour> I don't know why visudo exists but it must be for a reason
[18:02] <ioria> Saaq, stat / | grep Access
[18:02] <Saaq> @hggdh And that means? x) Sorry for being a noob at this
[18:03] <hggdh> gotta go, grab lunch before the day ends, be back in a few
[18:03] <vigour> it's not really a good idea but I believe there is a command visudo. It opens a vi instance editing the sudoers file
[18:03] <Saaq> @ioria: https://ghostbin.com/paste/g6cqp
[18:03] <ioria> Saaq, wrong
[18:03] <vigour> so you could go visudo, hope it makes you a nice file, and then do esc then wq  enter immediatly
[18:04] <Saaq> @hggdh Hey thanks for the help! have a nice lunch
[18:04] <ioria> Saaq, 0755/drwxr-xr-x
[18:04] <confluency> visudo exists for security reasons. I don't know why off-hand, but it's a more secure way of editing the sudoers file than launching an editor directly.
[18:05] <Saaq> @ioria Oh yeah, you're right. How to fix? x)
[18:05] <ioria> Saaq, chmod
[18:05] <Saaq> Just chmod on / ?
[18:06] <ioria> Saaq,  and i don't get how can the uid/gid be 1000
[18:06] <confluency> The man page explains what visudo does better (e.g. blocks simultaneous edits and doesn't save changes unless they're parsed correctly.)
[18:06] <Saaq> @ioria OMG! Thank you! It works
[18:07] <ioria> Saaq,  interesting ....
[18:08] <Saaq> @ioria Just doing a reboot to check that all servers and services run correctly. But thank you so incredebly much. This irc is really the best place ever. Always helping when I have noob questions that aren't "googleble"
[18:09] <ioria> Saaq,  no problem mate
[18:09] <Saaq> And the uid. Let's not ever think of that again :D It works...
[18:10] <Saaq> Plex server up. Samba working. This is perfect. Thanks once again.
[18:15] <lol768> 1
[18:16] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello. I am running Ubuntu Budgie 17.10    Want to install kodi. Kodi is present in the Ubuntu repo but it has several issues. I want to install it from the XBMC repo
[18:16] <Mr_Cyclops> How do I tell the system to install kodi from the XBMC repo and not the Ubuntu repo? thanks
[18:17] <Mr_Cyclops> Wow, the system did it by itself! I removed kodi, added XBMC repo, apt-get update and install kodi, and it installed the right one
[18:18] <Mr_Cyclops> no more issues with Kodi as I was experiencing from the install which was from the Ubuntu repo.
[18:18] <Mr_Cyclops> :)
[18:21] <noway43> Hello, I recently upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04. Unfortunately currently it won't even enter grub on restart. All I see is lenovo POST followed by lenovo startup screen and then repeats this infinitely. How do I fix this?
[18:22] <dougquaid> I'm trying to compile a program from github but I'm getting this error when I run ./configure "No package 'protobuf' found". How do I install protobuf via apt-get?
[18:26] <noway43> dougquaid, try apt-get install protobuf-compiler
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> vigour, you still around?
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> vigour, kodi isn't a server per say, but it can be setup to share a database with other clients. I have mine setup so I can share my media collection via samba, and kodi is setup to retrieve information from MySQL server. It allows me to keep everything in sync. As for mobile, I haven't tried that yet, but I imagine it can work too
[19:04] <Saaq> @pragmaticenigma Plex is ideal for this situation. You can easily setup a server that streams to a lot of different devices. If that's what you want
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> unfortunately plex costs $$ for what I want to do
[19:11] <Brawcks> What u want to do ? just joined
[19:12] <Saaq> Yeah, but the cost is actually very low for the possibilities you have with it. I pay for plex pass even though I could live without the aditional features it adds.
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> unimportant and not an appropriate topic for this channel
[19:14] <Saaq> True, sorry.
[19:48] <BMO-noire> Could someone point me to a tutorial that will let me send commands from computer A to computers B, C, ... ? Should I start an ssh server on computers B, C, ... then connect via pssh on computer A?
[19:49] <BMO-noire> simultaneously*
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> BMO-noire, The most effective way to remote control another linux computer is via SSH. There are ways to send a command via SSH without needing to open an interactive prompt
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> BMO-noire, pssh will also do what you need
[19:54] <thedude2152> th3dude2152
[19:56] <ntd> why was it decided to ship 1604 with an xorg version that simply won't do fglrx?
[19:56] <ntd> they're effectively killing pre-gcn with trusty eol
[19:58] <Bashing-om> ntd: Because AMD moved on .. and has no support in the later kernels for that old in-efficient interface .
[19:59] <ntd> yeah, amd moved on, but xenial xorg wouldn't have suffered from being one bit older
[19:59] <Bashing-om> ntd: The AMD drivers are now in the kernel ..provided - by request - by AMD .
[20:00] <ntd> yeah, but there will be no support for compute on these cards
[20:00] <ntd> with perf equivalent of fglrx
[20:01] <brainwash> that's how it is
[20:01] <Bashing-om> ntd: IF it is fglrx you have to have .. then release 14.04.1 has that function .
[20:01] <brainwash> don't buy AMD next time!
[20:02] <ntd> Bashing-om, what are you talking about? i'm saying that when trusty goes EOL in 2019 you will have no sec updates for boxes that need fglrx
[20:02] <Bashing-om> brainwash: ntd AMD is going to great lengths to give us - ubuntu - what we asked them for .. a open source driver !
[20:03] <ntd> with opencl and compute accel?
[20:05] <brainwash> Bashing-om: you mean an improved open source driver
[20:05] <ntd> cause amdgpu ain't it. and amdgpu-pro only does gcn
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> Bashing-om, ntd, brainwash - This topic is better served in the #ubuntu-offtopic channel please
[20:06] <brainwash> it's not better server anywhere
[20:06] <brainwash> we can't do anything about it
[20:06] <ntd> there's specialized software that will only run on teracore4/5 (pre gcn). and this software runs waaay more efficiently than any opencl port
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | brainwash, ntd
[20:14] <azizLIGHT> where is rteh default bell sound stored
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, I think they're in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu
[20:17] <azizLIGHT> hmmm its not that one
[20:19] <texla> Ubuntu 16.04: How to list which partitions are primary using gparted
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, possibly in one of the other directories under /usr/share/sounds ? could it be specific to the application and not a system bell?
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> texla, could you add some detail to your question? what are you attempting to do?
[20:35] <texla> pragmaticenigma, I have four partitions which one is listed as extended: In fdisk 3 or type linux and id is 83 the fourth is id 5 and extended are the three typed linux primary in gparted I have no idea which are primary
[20:37] <azizLIGHT> pragmaticenigma: hmm im trying top see where the terminal's bell sound is located
[20:37] <azizLIGHT> like when i press backspace on an empty prompt, i hear a sound
[20:38] <slidinghorn> azizLIGHT: I think you're talking about "beep"
[20:38] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: xset does that
[20:39] <katnip> isnt that in the preferences of the term?
[20:39] <EriC^^> i think it's "xset b off" to turn it off
[20:39] <Bashing-om> texla: ' sudo parted -l ' will identify the partition types .
[20:39] <azizLIGHT> its just a checkbox in the preferences for the profile
[20:40] <azizLIGHT> no specification as to where or what it is
[20:40] <tomreyn> texla: a while ago, punctuation was introduced in the english language. it helped recipients of written english a lot in understanding what the people communicating with them meant to say.
[20:41] <tomreyn> texla: in other words, i do not understand this: In fdisk 3 or type linux and id is 83 the fourth is id 5 and extended are the three typed linux primary in gparted I have no idea which are primary
[20:42] <katnip> gparted is a gui? no? just click on the partitions
[20:42] <texla> Bashing-om, The part -l command answered the questions about the primary and extended and logical
[20:43] <tomreyn> texla: you could post a scxreen shot to imgur.com. you can also run parted in a terminal and show its output, it's like gparted just textual.
[20:44] <Bashing-om> texla: :) .. Best always to be absolutely sure when messing about partition wise :)
[20:44] <texla> tomreyn, The answer to my question has been answered sorry you could not read the question!!!
[20:45] <Bashing-om> texla: Respect .. tomreyn has been around for a long time !
[20:45] <tomreyn> i was a biit salty, too, so sorry about that.
[20:47] <f00> when I shutdown my pc, the console output is shifted around the screen. what could be the reason for that?
[20:48] <Random832> f00, changing video modes?
[20:48] <Random832> I mean, presumably it's for a split second before the screen is turned off, so having a stable screen view isn't a priority
[20:48] <Random832> (not 100% sure what you mean by shifted around the screen though)
[20:48] <f00> no. fixed resolution
[20:49] <f00> 1366x768
[20:49] <f00> native
[20:49] <f00> never changed that
[20:55] <Random832> it doesn't drop into text mode?
[20:55] <Random832> or change from X to the framebuffer console etc :P
[20:56] <f00> its text mode. I disabled the quiet splash
[20:56] <f00> but very shifted
[20:56] <f00> during boot everything is ok
[21:02] <texla> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/2btyk3Nk  How did I create the extended then create the #6 logical which is an o/s
[21:03] <Bashing-om> texla: look'n .
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> f00, does the computer experience when you turn it back on?
[21:05] <f00> pragmaticenigma: what is meant with experience?
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> f00, sorry... appears I didn't complete my thought...
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> f00, does the computer experience any issues when you turn it back on?
[21:07] <Bashing-om> texla: "Partition Table: msdos" means this a MBR partitioned. in this scheme there is a MAX of 4 partitions. now the way around this limitation is an 'extended' partition ( that is one of those primary partitions) that can contain a MAX of 128 additional 'logical' partitions .
[21:07] <f00> pragmaticenigma: no
[21:07] <f00> everything is ok
[21:08] <f00> when boot, how can i say, everything is in right place.
[21:08] <Bashing-om> texla: one thinks of a  'extended" partiton as a container to hold the additional 'logical' partitions .
[21:09] <f00> [OK] BLA bla bla
[21:09] <f00> [OK] BLA bla bla
[21:09] <f00> [OK] BLA bla bla
[21:09] <f00> like this
[21:09] <f00> when shutdown
[21:09] <f00> [OK] BLA bla bla
[21:09] <f00>                        [OK] BLA bla bla
[21:11] <pragmaticenigma> f00, I wouldn't worry about it with shutdown. it is likely the mode switching from desktop to terminal. As long as the computer isn't crashing on boot, or showing disk errors, I wouldn't worry about it
[21:14] <pragmaticenigma> f00, now that you're able to speak again, did that make sense?
[21:16] <f00> pragmaticenigma: yes
[21:25] <The_Mec> if you create a file using Cat. how do you edit the file? i'm trying to open it in Gedit but it keeps saying file not found even though it comes up with Cat.
[21:26] <phil42> try nano
[21:26] <pragmaticenigma> The_Mec, cat doesn't create files by default. It reads them and outputs them to the terminal
[21:27] <phil42> yes, the syntax is cat > filename
[21:27] <phil42> but is show in sl
[21:27] <phil42> shos
[21:27] <phil42> shows
[21:27] <phil42> so,
[21:27] <The_Mec> i've been using it to create files. like that . but nano worked. ty
[21:27] <texla> Bashing-om, When I used something else during the install I messed up and set an extended partition rather than primary. Now if I delete extended I will also delete logical.To add other logical partitions I will need to resize extended
[21:27] <f00> :)
[21:28] <phil42> shows in ls,  i guess my dyslexia is showing too
[21:29] <Bashing-om> texla: In oder to remove that extended " container" will require that the contents be removed 1st .
[21:30] <texla> Bashing-om, Is there a way to change logical to primary
[21:31] <texla> Bashing-om, Or can I just install another o/s and assure it is primary
[21:32] <Bashing-om> texla: Nope .. a MAX of 4 partitions in MBR .
[21:34] <texla> Bashing-om, So my unused disc space is lost
[21:36] <Bashing-om> texla: Just not usable as you have formatted . What are you going to loose if you now reformat using the knowlege you now have ?
[21:37] <texla> Bashing-om, Nothing important I just have to reinstall one o/s
[21:39] <ct529> hello everybody!
[21:40] <ct529> I have a problem with ubuntu 16.04 64 bit on lenovo X1 Yoga carbon
[21:40] <ct529> the laptop connets to the wifi and can connect to ip addresses but cannot resolve hostnames
[21:41] <ct529> anyone who can help? I need to leave tomorrow with the laptop for a conference and I am stuck!
[21:42] <mateothegreat> ct529, set your dns servers on your interface to 1.1.1.1
[21:42] <matty> ct529, just set Googles DNS servers
[21:42] <matty> or 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.8.4
[21:42] <matty> or 1.1.1.1
[21:43] <ct529> how do I do that? I can ping the dns servers using the ip address but not resolve them .... why?!
[21:43] <ct529> I am using network-manager
[21:43] <matty> because whatver your gatewya is didnt send the dns servers
[21:44] <matty> ct529, at thsi point the why is irrelevant.
[21:44] <ct529> matty: why? How do I understand that?
[21:44] <matty> https://www.google.com/search?num=50&q=ubuntu+set+google%27s+dns&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7zdug3rraAhVEEawKHYXnDskQBSgAegQIABAn&biw=1142&bih=615
[21:44] <matty> google it, pretty easy
[21:44] <slidinghorn> ct529: you can add the following to the end of your /etc/resolv.conf    nameserver 1.1.1.1
[21:44] <ct529> matty: mateothegreat how do I set the dns for my interface?
[21:44] <matty> that should have the answers you require
[21:45] <mateothegreat> ct529, calm down lol
[21:45] <ct529> matty: thank you! It is just that I would like to udnerstand the reasons ....
[21:45] <matty> your gateway(router, modem) shouod have sent the dns servers to your interface when it set its IP addy unless you opted for a static one
[21:45] <Bashing-om> texla: If ya know what you want .. easiest and best is RE-format for what you want . For reference my system with 2 drives presently on-line: http://termbin.com/0lev .
[21:51] <ct529> matty: trying your suggestion
[21:51] <matty> ok
[21:53] <beefjoe> Why are software updates on ubuntu always a couple of days late ?
[21:53] <slidinghorn> beefjoe: what do you mean?
[21:53] <beefjoe> almost for anything like firefox or vscode
[21:54] <beefjoe> compared to macos or windows
[21:54] <texla> Bashing-om, That picture explains a lot about extended and logical: Thanks a lot for the help and info
[21:54] <beefjoe> updates arrive a couple of days later
[21:54] <ct529> matty: thanks it works! how do I now understand why?
[21:54] <slidinghorn> beefjoe: Most likely, any delay would be due to the fact that the updates need to be packaged for Ubuntu before they're entered into the repos
[21:55] <oerheks> beefjoe, we need to test and build it, ofcourse.. a few days is not that bad
[21:55] <beefjoe> not that bad
[21:55] <beefjoe> was just wondering why other os get it faster
[21:56] <oerheks> They can tell you..
[21:56] <oerheks> "we get paid"
[21:57] <Bashing-om> texla: Maybe an even better "picture" http://termbin.com/dq66 of my system setup for your reference .
[22:00] <ct529> is there a way to see whether I have removed packages accidentally?
[22:01] <ct529> on the CLI, I mean ....
[22:03] <matty> ct529, you have to be more specific buddy
[22:03] <oerheks> check out /var/log/apt/history.log and history.log.1 etc
[22:03] <matty> welcome to linux, specifics matter
[22:04] <ct529> matty: tail /var/log/apt/history.log I mean, I did not remember
[22:04] <matty> but why are you concerned you may have removed a package?
[22:04] <matty> is an app not running? is it crashing?
[22:04] <slidinghorn> ct529: to further what oerheks suggested, you can search for specific package names (ex:  grep -ir package /var/log/apt/ )
[22:04] <matty> what errors are you getting
[22:09] <ct529> matty: because the network was working and then suddenly it stopped working after I tried to VPN int my organisation
[22:09] <ct529> slidinghorn: yes, thank you! This is what I am doing.
[22:10] <matty> ct529, have you attempted to stop and restart network services?
[22:10] <ubuntu-mate> hi guys.i have ubuntu-mate live .why when i dounload an iso file from ubuntu site like lubuntu ,the iso  size increasd.it became 1.3gb instead of 1.2gb?
[22:10] <oerheks> so that VPN action dropped your dns service... totally different from the issue you started with
[22:11] <ct529> oerheks: and here you lost me .... I started with a problem, which is now solved (see my line above)
[22:12] <ct529> oerheks: now, I am looking at the root of the problem (a different issue alltogether)
[22:13] <ubuntu-mate> can someone answer me.please?
[22:16] <slidinghorn> !patience | ubuntu-mate
 hi guys.i have ubuntu-mate live .why when i dounload an iso file from ubuntu site like lubuntu ,the iso  size increasd.it became 1.3gb instead of 1.2gb
[22:17] <hggdh> ubuntu-mate: it may be just rounding of the value. What you should do is verify the checksums to guarantee you have the correct file
[22:19] <ubuntu-mate> i did that. and its ok. but im wonderig from where 100 mb came from?
[22:20] <slidinghorn> ubuntu-mate: as hggdh said, it's likely that the 2 displays of the file size used different rounding methods
[22:20] <hggdh> there is no additional 100MB, or whatever value it is. (1) your storage block size may be different from the site's; (2) the site (as I already said) may be -- for example -- truncating the value, while 'ls'is rounding it
[22:21] <ubuntu-mate> it means is it ok or not
[22:21] <hggdh> ubuntu-mate: I will assume the above is a question. Id the checksum match, then it is OK
[22:22] <ct529> oerheks: I am not sure I understand how the VPN can have dropped the DNS .... and what I can do to recover it ....
[22:22] <ct529> oerheks: all configuraton files seem to be correct
[22:22] <ubuntu-mate> bcz i thought that the isp service redirect or tamper with the file
[22:23] <hggdh> if you downloaded it from the official site, no. It might even be under Akamai control, or something, but (assuming you are using a decent DNS) it would still be the same file
[22:24] <ubuntu-mate> aha ok thanks alot fo evryone helped me
[22:51] <The_Mec> i've got some commands, and it says to make a symlink with this code. but i'm not sure how you would do that.  do you put this in a bash script or just run in terminal? https://i.imgur.com/ho82BFv.png
[22:54] <tomreyn> The_Mec: this is to be run by the root user in a terminal. no need for a script, you could just copy and paste those three lines to a temrinal window.
[22:54] <The_Mec> ty
[22:54] <tomreyn> The_Mec: but it woul dbe good if you were to try and get a better idea of what you're doing there and why,
[22:56] <tomreyn> The_Mec: it will create a /tools directory, so a directory "tools" on the uppermost file system hierachy level. normally, the directories to exist on this level are well defined, and these instructions violate this definition. this is not really much of an issue, it won't break anything, but you'Re polluting a namespace.
[22:57] <courrier> Do you see any issue with this /etc/network/interfaces that prevents me from connecting to the web, e.g. debian.org? http://paste.debian.net/1020352/
[22:57] <courrier> Assuming that 192.168.0.1 is my home router
[22:57] <erasmus> is lubuntu a good choice for a system with an atom cpu?
[22:58] <tomreyn> courrier: are you asking a debian question on #ubuntu?
[22:58] <courrier> tomreyn: nope I'm asking an ubuntu question on #ubuntu
[22:59] <courrier> 16.04.4 LTS
[23:00] <tomreyn> courrier: okay, could have been, so much "debian" around there. :) so this netmask on enp2s0 is *really* wide, and this address is probably not yours?
[23:03] <courrier> tomreyn: Well, I'm using this interface as an Art-Net device, whose specs are running on a 2.0.0.0/8 network
[23:03] <tomreyn> courrier: if debian.org resolves to anything in 2.0.0.0/8 for you, then traffic will go over enp2s0, and not leave your LAN
[23:04] <courrier> ha yes, I haven't though to that, however on my DHCP-addressed other computers it resolves to 5.153.231.4
[23:04] <courrier> mmmh, actually I think it is just a DNS problem
[23:05] <tomreyn> erasmus: yes, possibly / probably a better choice than classic ubuntu (so unity or gnome).
[23:06] <erasmus> I was thinking LXLE
[23:07] <tomreyn> courrier: 5.153.231.4 is one of the four ipv4 addresses debian.org resolves to for me. none of those are in 2.0.0.0/8, however. so if it resolves the same for you, and there are no other factors involved, then i guess you should be able to connect to the actual debian server.
[23:08] <tomreyn> courrier: maybe one of your name servers are in 2.0.0.0/8
[23:09] <courrier> tomreyn: I got the issue: it's only a DNS issue because I can connect to 5.153.231.4 very well
[23:09] <courrier> I guess I should force the DNS in that file as well
[23:10] <courrier> dns-nameservers attribute looks the appropriate way
[23:10] <tomreyn> on pre 17.10 ubuntu, that'd be correct i think.
[23:12] <courrier> tomreyn: what has changed after 17.10?
[23:13] <tomreyn> courrier: netplan (nplan) is introduced
[23:15] <tomreyn> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/artful/man5/netplan.5.html
[23:15] <courrier> tomreyn: oh OK
[23:15] <courrier> Oops, dns-nameservers broke everything
[23:16] <courrier> I cannot ssh to that machine anymore :(
[23:17] <courrier> it works with its IP though, but no longer with xxxx.local name
[23:17] <tomreyn> you should not use the .local domain for anything other than its designated (RFC) purpose.
[23:20] <courrier> I fixed it by setting OpenDNS instead my router as a DNS server
[23:20] <courrier> tomreyn: isn't .local a good way for connecting to machines on a local network that has no DNS server?
[23:21] <tomreyn> probably not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local
[23:23] <tomreyn> courrier: for generic networking related questions, you may find ##networking to be a better place to ask than #ubuntu.
[23:28] <courrier> tomreyn: thank you :)
[23:28] <dpallares> Hi, can someone help me please?
[23:29] <jerichowasahoax> !ask | dpallares
[23:29] <tomreyn> welcome, e-mail!
[23:31] <dpallares> Ok, How can i install ubuntu on a machine with windows 10, erasing windows, but later install windows from a recovery image?
[23:33] <dpallares> anyone?
[23:34] <tomreyn> dpallares: we usually recommend you install ubuntu after installing windows if you'd like to dual.boot
[23:35] <tomreyn> dpallares: that's primarily because the boot manager ubuntu comes with, grub, is a lot more compatible and capable than the one windows comes with.
[23:35] <dpallares> I need only ubuntu. But when i finish my project i want windows back
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, if you are interested in just trying out Ubuntu, the recommended download is called a Live image, which means you can boot from it, and try out Ubuntu and decide if you would like to install it, or just run it temporarily
[23:36] <dpallares> No, i´m going to work with mininet
[23:36] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, A suggestion might be to install Ubuntu into something like Virtual Box then. You then run your computer like normal, start the Virtual Box program and then run Ubuntu as a guest operating system
[23:36] <Vic2> dpallares: using a recovery image to restore Windows you will remove Ubuntu as the recovery image will erase it.
[23:37] <x_> join #ubuntu
[23:38] <dpallares> Vic2: yes, that´s my idea. But i don´t know the implications. My HD has two partitions. Sy
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, you will have to consult your computer's manual to know which partition holds the system back up/recovery image
[23:39] <tomreyn> dpallares: note that you can also install ubuntu to secondary or mobile (usb attached) storage.
[23:40] <Vic2> dpallares: I suspect the 2nd partition is only large enough to hold the recovery image ... have you checked?
[23:40] <dpallares> I want to use a backup application
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, you could use something like Clonezilla to create a back disk image of your computer.
[23:41] <dpallares> Make an image from the system and install linux, erasing windows
[23:42] <leftyfb> dpallares: get a 2nd hard drive for ubuntu and disable the one with Windows for the time being
[23:42] <leftyfb> dpallares: the Windows recovery will wipe the entire drive
[23:43] <dpallares> Good idea but i can afford a second hd right now
[23:43] <dpallares> cannot
[23:43] <leftyfb> then dual boot windows and ubuntu
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, how are you going to back up your machine then?
[23:44] <leftyfb> keep windows on it, install ubuntu
[23:44] <Vic2> dpallares: so you have been offered two excellent potential solutions ... dual boot or install Ubuntu in a Virtual Box.
[23:45] <dpallares> Ok, my machine has two partitions, 250 gb and 750 gb
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, It would be best to install Ubuntu along side Windows in a duel boot configuration. When you are done, you can either use the windows recovery to reinstall the computer, or you can simply delete the Ubuntu partition and restore the original size for windows.
[23:45] <leftyfb> or
[23:45] <leftyfb> !wsl | dpallares
[23:46] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, take a look here for mininet project page. http://mininet.org/download/#option-1-mininet-vm-installation-easy-recommended
[23:46] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: mind you, the windows recovery will wipe the entire drive
[23:46] <dpallares> in a dual boot config, ubuntu has the same performance?
[23:47] <leftyfb> yes
[23:47] <pragmaticenigma> dpallares, yes
[23:47] <leftyfb> you don't need performance for mininet though
[23:47] <leftyfb> since it also runs in vm's just fine
[23:48] <Vic2> dpallares: yes because in a dual boot scenario - only one OS is booted at a time, so it will be almost as if Windows did not exist, other than you would have access to the Windows partition's files.
[23:48] <dpallares> i´m going to run sdn simulations with many virtual hosts
[23:50] <dpallares> using different sdn controllers
[23:52] <dpallares> Well, the dual boot appear to be the best choice
[23:53] <leftyfb> dpallares: mind you, if you plan on using the windows recovery tool when you're done, it's going to wipe ubuntu
[23:55] <dpallares> ok, now to read how to install in dual boot mode.
[23:56] <dpallares> I wanna thank you all for your help, i appreciate it
[23:58] <dpallares> Goodbye