[00:00] no, thanks to reply.. ^_^ === congmaster is now known as Ch4ri0t === Ch4ri0t is now known as ch4ri0t [00:02] it's not easy for me to tell what is what, there is a lot of acpi related stuff in the logs === ch4ri0t is now known as syifa [00:04] sammyg, sometimes google will help define some of those messages... to a degree we can help too [00:08] that's ok too [00:09] i will have a look at it tomorrow maybe === Thargoid is now known as stwalkerster [00:10] so if these messages come up too early in the boot process before being redirected to a log file, you can set the kernel parameters to display them, remove the splash screen and a directive to log them to a file as well? [00:12] i'm not sure what this is about (didn't try to read the entire backlog), but surely things don't get logged to files until the file system is mounted, and mounted r/w. [00:12] until then,. you have netconsole, serial console and maybe some kvm in addition to plain screen output. [00:13] tomreyn, issue is sammyg is concerned by an ACPI probing error message [00:13] ohhhk [00:14] do things work, though? [00:14] sammyg, overall question, is the machine operational? [00:14] i guess every 2nd or 3rd system prints acpi errors upon boot [00:14] right ok [00:15] yeah it seems to be [00:15] sammyg: if those are kernel messages (which they are likely to be), you might be able to see them in the "dmesg" command which queries the kernel's log buffer [00:16] those who make the firmwares (ACPI implementation) don't care about anything but windows usually. ACPI_OSI=LINUX doesn't really exist in wildlife, so you will almost always run into this warning [00:17] there is a chance that you won't be able to see them because there were too many subsequent log entries that cause them to be rotated out. if that's the case, you'll need to increase the kernel's log buffer size by passing the kernel command line parameter long_buf_len= as seen on https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html === username is now known as Guest12732 === john__ is now known as oinkoink [00:19] this usually doesn't happen unless you have repetitive messages, though [00:20] sammyg: you can post the dmesg by using: dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999 # this will eturn a http address you can then post here to share it. [00:20] tomreyn, grumble ... the log isn't the issue... sammyg appears to have had a concern with a battery not charging. from there someone suggested change an ACPI setting (probably OSI) ... I [00:20] I'm guessing that has resulted in now seeing the acpi probing error [00:22] i will check on that tomorrow, now it's bed time [00:22] http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html [00:22] ill try not to have bad dreams about it :P [00:22] tj is into faking ACPI stuff, maybe he was supporting you? [00:23] sammyg, i'd restore things back to the way they were and when you are available try again [00:25] if the battery would not charge, trying some ACPI changes seems like a good approach to me. if ti makes things worse, i'd roll it back also. [00:26] if it's an old laptop, the reasont he battery doesn't charge may just be that it's old and needs recalibration (whch can sometimes be done from the firmware configuration interface, i.e. BIOS / UEFI setup utility, and sometimes requires running windows softwares) [00:28] tomreyn, ACPI doesn't control battery charging... it allows probing so that ACPI can make decsisions based on battery level only [00:29] right, if it thinks it's already on max capaity, it wont charge [00:30] tomreyn, ACPI doesn't control charging... if it did, you'd never be able to power off the system... battery charging circuit is isolated from the main system board [00:31] pragmaticenigma: i agree, i'm not saying ACPI controls charging. [00:31] tomreyn, I guess it's how I'm understanding what you're trying to say [00:33] pragmaticenigma: i guess it's that i'm failing to explain myself properly. ;-) i won't try to improve upon it, though. thanks for pointing out the things i said which could be misunderstood. [00:35] how long on average would this take to complete for a 2tb usb hard drive? [I] ✘  ~  sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd bs=1M [00:38] arooni: SATA 2 or 3? Plain HDD or SSHD? Produced when? This can make relevant differences. [00:38] arooni: without more info, i'd guess somewhere between half an hour and five. [00:39] tomreyn: can i use a bigger block size? like 8M? i'm connected via usb 2 [00:39] arooni, it's not the block size, it's the throughput of the data channel [00:39] doh. wehy dont you use ata secure erase? not supported? [00:41] tomreyn: not sure what that is; i did try erasing & formatting via wd tools ( on mac ) but it didnt work [00:41] https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase [00:41] it will not always work via usb, though. [00:42] if it works, the good thing there is that the drive firmware controls the process, so you dont have to transfer all that data over the tiny bus you have there. [00:43] (on the flip side it means you have to trust the drive firmware to do it properly.) [00:53] Hi. Do you know where is going ubuntu today? I ask because few years ago we had ubuntu-one and ubuntu-phone projects, so it was clear the goal: make an integrated (pc+cellphone) system, that was awesome!. As I remember, that's why ubuntu started with unity, to develop touch screens... because gnome was not going with the speed required. But today, without those projects, what is the goal of ubuntu? Or [00:53] is just resigned to be the a "free competition"? [00:55] ramrebol_, that's a topic that is better suited for our offtopic room in /join #ubuntu-offtopic [00:56] thanks pragmaticenigma. I going to go there (but, with a short answer is ok for me). [00:57] ramrebol_: I've read slighty go off-topic [00:57] ramrebol_: Best you go to #ubuntu-offtopic [00:57] No short answers [01:02] ramrebol_: please note you need to !register to /join #ubuntu-offtopic [01:02] !register [01:02] For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. [01:03] tomreyn: yes, I can't to enter to #ubuntu-offtopic . I'm trying to do that. But, ubuntu-discuss is not a good plate to ask that kind of things? [01:04] You can ask there [01:04] ramrebol_: personally i'd say #ubuntu-discuss is a good place, but that's just judging by the name, i have not checked it against the channel policies there [01:04] I've been there [01:04] ramrebol_, each room has a topic set, that will help you determine the correct room to hold your topic in === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:13] ty [01:14] I am going to switch to ubuntu\ [01:25] hi [01:25] ho can i make a window transparent [02:06] may i install and update apps and/or OS while i have apps opened, even if those opened apps are the same ones i'm updating in the same moment? [02:07] You can update the kernel without a restart now [02:08] jk^: Depends [02:08] Regarding applications it depends [02:08] Yeah [02:08] For the most you can continue use you computer without no problem [02:09] jk^, you can install updates with applications running. however, they updates will not be applied to those applications until the application is exited and started again. [02:09] Dont expect to use the new version of the app without relaunching it [02:09] ^^ [02:09] Also [02:10] Some applications will touch filesystem and see code change and crash [02:10] Chrome, Firefox [02:11] bugzbunny, excuse me, i don't undertand... will apps touch filesystem? [02:11] Chrome uses process [02:12] :\ [02:12] do apps see code change? [02:12] When you open a new tab, it lauch a new process [02:12] jk^, what bugzbunny means is that if a supporting file to the program is touched (opened/read/written to) after you have applied updates to that program, the program may crash because it doesn't recognize the new file. [02:12] i'm using chromium [02:12] Meaning, if there is change in libraires [02:13] ok [02:13] For the most part, it rarely happens [02:14] how could i know when i need to close all apps or just some apps and when not? [02:14] Well, the Kernel caches the stuff in memory [02:15] I use needrestart [02:15] jk^, It would be considered good practice to regularly reboot your computer and keep track of the applications listed in the update. Those applications are best to be restarted soon after you apply the updates [02:15] I'm tryna implement a basic systemd service to run a script on startup, AFTER the network configs/inits. But, it appears to start before networking does... Here is systemd service: https://pastebin.com/9VGjJ2aS and here is appropriate script: https://pastebin.com/1P5e9SF7 What am I missing, and does anyone have -any- guidance for me? [02:16] jk^: If it doesn't touch programs you currenly using [02:16] jk^: You don't have to restart [02:17] jk^: You may have crash, for the most part, you can continue to use you computer as usual [02:18] jk^: Reboot is only necessary if you have applications have open with modified libraries [02:18] output after startup of `sudo systemctl status ruslanftp` is: "Apr 13 20:52:11 ss-minnow ruslanftp.sh[1271]: Error connecting to ftp:" [02:19] mmmmmmhhh :| [02:19] Aztec03: Add Before= [02:20] in service or script? I am unfamiliar [02:20] Aztec03: or Require= [02:20] Aztec03: It's not a script [02:21] bugzbunny, if i continue to use every apps and mantaining them opened... is there any problem? [02:21] Aztec03: Text file with instructions [02:21] Are PPAs safe? I need to install Tilix on KDE Neon which from what I understand is built on ubuntu [02:21] Aztec03: got freedesktop.org [02:21] I was under the assumption that 'After=network.target' would handle it for me [02:21] not yet [02:22] Right [02:22] I was wrong [02:22] Shmam, PPA that are not maintained by Ubuntu are use at your own risk [02:22] it seems that the network target is loaded, however an AP has not -yet- been connected-to... [02:23] it says that they have packages ready for artful and bionic but if I try to do "apt install tilix" it cant find the package [02:23] do I need to just use the ppa? [02:23] Aztec03: THat is just for network to be started, I think you need network-online.target [02:23] I'd prefer to not put this in fstab, as I prefer services and never touching that unless /absolutely necessary/ [02:23] ahhhhh [02:23] Shmam, what version of Ubuntu are you running? [02:23] I shall try that now [02:23] thanks xamithan [02:24] jk^: The Kernel handles very well [02:24] KDE neon 5.12 so ubuntu 16.04 [02:24] jk^: If it doesn't touch programs you currenly using [02:24] jk^: You don't have to restart [02:24] And if it does? May i use it until the end of my works in it? [02:24] jk^: Just browsers you might have problem [02:25] Beside that [02:25] NO [02:25] okies brb time to test [02:25] !info tilix artful [02:25] tilix (source: tilix): Tiling terminal emulator for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.4-2ubuntu1 (artful), package size 479 kB, installed size 2505 kB [02:25] Shmam, If the package isn't available in the support repos, there is a reason. [02:25] *can i use it until the end of my works in it? (excuse for my english) [02:26] Shmam, *support => supported [02:26] jk^: It's safer to reboot, but you won't get lost of data [02:26] beside that? bugzbunny? [02:26] Shmam: ^^ tilix is ib the universe repo. do you have that source enabled ? [02:26] jk^, If you want to reduce the risk of data loss in your work. It is best to save your work, close the programs, then do the update. [02:26] how can you tell that its not in the support repos? [02:26] aw poops. Still getting: "Apr 13 21:25:40 ss-minnow ruslanftp.sh[1792]: Error connecting to ftp:" [02:26] jk^: The Kernel is very mature [02:27] Shmam, you just said you couldn't find it [02:27] I guess my question is what are "artful" and "bionic" [02:27] are those releases? [02:27] they are newer versions of ubuntu [02:27] Shmam, yes, they are newer releases [02:28] jk^: If it doesn't touch programs you currenly using [02:28] yes, but how i know if updates, or new installations touch any program i'm currently using? [02:28] :\ [02:28] oh so I'm too old :( [02:28] 16.04 is xenial, 17.10 is artful, 18.04 is bionic [02:28] excuse me, but this issue is not clear for me :( [02:28] jk^, as was said... if you don't want to risk losing important work or data. It's best to close your applications before doing the update [02:28] Aztec03: Do you have the After= and also the Wants= that say the network-online ? [02:29] hang I will show [02:29] Thats what the systemd stuff shows: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/ [02:29] I now have this: https://pastebin.com/z2BjhbR0 [02:30] pragmaticenigma and if isn't that risk? or i don't care of it? [02:30] jk^, then why did you ask the question in the first place? [02:31] Yeah read that page I linked, if the Wants= doesn't work you may need to enable those network wait.services it lists [02:31] jk^: You can use Ubuntu regardless [02:32] jk^: nothing will change, I gave you tips [02:32] Besides... It's BEST you reboot [02:32] jk^, Ubuntu is able to update applications, even if the application is running. However, it is possible that the program may crash after the update is applied. You have to decide if that is acceptable. [02:33] im trying to hide a bunch of wine icons from the application view but alacarte doesnt work [02:33] and menulibre isnt working either [02:33] pragmaticenigma, just to know if it's possible and safe continuing to use every apps i know and every feature of the OS witho no other actions :\ [02:34] jk^, The simple answer is no [02:34] how do you edit the application view in ubuntu? [02:34] simply, i "GUESS" i could have the changes after a system reboot or a apps reboot [02:34] alacarte worked in upstream gnome the last time i used it [02:35] jk^: The kernel is resilent [02:36] jk^: Reboot, I like to help you, do have a problem? [02:37] turbo64: Do you have Wine Desktop Intergrations turned on? [02:38] is it just to understand... :\ [02:39] No problem [02:39] I understand [02:39] because u told me that there are crash risks of some apps [02:39] How about we not wasting out time here [02:39] Just reboot [02:40] because the kernel might touch files which are serving those apps... but i don't know how to see which are the apps who have one of some of their file touched :\ [02:40] i hope my english was sufficient to explain what i want to say, what i mean :8 [02:40] :( [02:41] bugzbunny: what integrations? [02:41] Uh, wincfg [02:41] turbo64: or winecfg [02:41] Take a look at the Desktop Integrations [02:42] jk^: installing a new kernle has nothing to do with your currently running kernel or the applications you're running. [02:43] that has nothing to do with what im talking about [02:43] thats for applying your DE theme in wine [02:43] turbo64: Didn't you say you have icons [02:43] in you menu [02:43] turbo64: https://askubuntu.com/posts/483945/revisions [02:44] ignored [02:44] leftyfb find an agreement between yours :( [02:44] *you [02:44] jk^: huh? [02:44] leftyfb: yeah but ll have to do that every time i install a wine program [02:44] is there a way to just stop it from adding stuff to the menu altogether [02:44] Did you say [02:44] it seems others think different :( [02:46] turbo64: Double check Desktop Interogrations [02:46] bugzbunny: please stop [02:46] bugzbunny: your answer is of no help in this case [02:47] Can't you just remove the .desktop files for those wine services you don't want ? [02:48] well yeah but i have to do that every time i install something, it seems kind of stupid [02:48] xamithan: they want it to stop adding them every time a new wine application gets installed [02:48] anyway what i was really asking is is there a graphical menu editor that works with ubuntu 17 [02:48] because i tried menulibre and alacarte and neither of them work [02:49] I don't think so [02:49] Might could try ezame, no idea if it works on 17 though [02:50] btw, there is no ubuntu "17" [02:50] oh really [02:50] really [02:50] so it just goes from 16 to 18 then [02:51] there is no 16 or 18 [02:51] i must be on some serious drugs [02:51] so why is tilix only available in a ppa for ubuntu 16.04? [02:51] There is 17.04 and 17.10, but no 17 [02:51] pragmaticenigma [02:51] i think #wrongplanet might be spilling over into this channel [02:51] Is 17.04 still in service ? [02:51] the versions numbers are based on the year and month it was released [02:51] xamithan: no [02:51] Then any reasonable person would assume I meant 17.10 =/ [02:52] trying to start autistic arguments about semantics should be considered a form of trolling imo [02:52] Shmam, you mean why isn't it? [02:53] i mean look how badly that derailed the discussion [02:53] turbo64, the problem is that it's an important distinction. For example, 17.04 used the Unity desktop, while 17.10 used GNOME [02:53] now nobody even remembers what i was asking about [02:53] 17.04 used X by default, while 17.10 used Wayland by default [02:53] great channel [02:53] turbo64: the version 100% matters. Someone saying "17" should not be assumed to be meaning 17.04 or 17.10 and one or the other makes a very big difference when troubleshooting [02:53] Well ezame has an artful package, but it is a PPA [02:53] Give it a try [02:53] is there another ubuntu channel for actually asking questions and getting answers [02:53] instead of just having mindless chit chat [02:54] turbo64: you've been given several answers [02:54] or is it all just thrown together in this one [02:54] You might get better support if you stopped with the trolling [02:54] and i just have to hope someone sees my question before it gets buried under arguments about ponies or something [02:54] turbo64: you've been given several answers [02:54] turbo64, if you're not satisfied with our answers, how are you going to be satisfied with us telling you a different room [02:54] like why can't you install it via apt on slightly older versions of ubuntu? Is it safe to install via the ppa? I'm not concerned that much about a bad package bit I am concerned about messing up my system [02:55] Shmam: not now, we're having serious discussions right now about why you cant call ubuntu 17.10 "ubuntu 17" [02:55] this is very important stuff [02:56] turbo64, that behavior is not allowed here. anyone can speak and anyone can ask a question [02:56] ^^ so long as it's on topic* [02:56] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning [02:56] there [02:56] now tilix [02:56] Shmam, tilix has a dependency that isn't met by the versions available in 16.04 [02:57] oooo [02:57] so can I install that dep? [02:57] maybe ubuntu 18's attempt at incorporating gnome wont be as much of a disaster [02:57] is that what the ppa does? [02:57] Shmam, Ubuntu Bionic is about to be released... it would be easier to just wait for the upgrade to 18.04 and then you won't have to worry about it [02:59] turbo64, there is no such thing as Ubuntu 18... The next version of Ubuntu is 18.04... the full version number is very import differentiation between the releases, since there are two of them each year [02:59] yeah I guess so. I just want to understand what the risk of the PPA is (assuming that it provides the correct package and no virus junk) [02:59] like what can happen to my system? [02:59] Shmam: usually, there's no problem installing software from a PPA [03:00] Shmam: mind you, they're also usually not supported here [03:00] I really screwed up a debian system by installing packages from a different release so I would assume that thats the same sort of problem that I could encounter [03:00] Shmam: the software in the PPA should still reflect the release you're on [03:00] ok thats fair. I just want to ensure that I dont f up my system again [03:00] Shmam, A PPA that isn't managed by Ubuntu can carry extra packages that can cause issues with the existing installation. Some developers choose to include libraries that aren't tested against a base line install and therefore can break other installs [03:01] oh so it can still cause problems eek [03:01] Shmam, the only way to garuentee not to break your system is to avoid PPAs that are not officially offered by Ubuntu [03:01] Shmam: The worst thing that usually happens is it wants a bunch of dependencies that aren't supplied in the PPA, or the application just doesn't work and has to be purged [03:01] There's also ppa-purge [03:02] but it shouldn't cause problems with other packages right? [03:02] Shmam: I would just try it. I have about a dozen PPA's installed. No problems here [03:02] Shmam: Not usually, but in some cases where shared libraries are altered, it can [03:03] Shmam: If you find it doesn't work, remove it with ppa-purge [03:03] will it break gtk stuff? it includes gtk-d. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/terminix [03:03] but will removing it actually put things back to how they were? [03:03] Shmam: mind you, if you're just looking for a terminal emulator that supports tiling windows, you can just install terminator which is in the official repos [03:03] I also want tabs/windows and background image [03:04] Shmam: you cab do that with terminator [03:04] can* [03:04] :O [03:04] installing 1 sec [03:04] does it support color PS1? [03:04] it doesnt look like it :( [03:05] that's not really a feature of a terminal emulator but your shell [03:05] so yes, it does [03:06] it looks like it's making it all white. Do you know how I can make it so that it allows color from the shell? [03:07] Shmam: https://www.howtogeek.com/307701/how-to-customize-and-colorize-your-bash-prompt/ [03:08] sorry, I wasn't clear with my question. I already have a PS1 set (it shows fine in Konsole) but it's just white in terminator [03:09] terminator supports PS1. I have colors in my bash prompt just fine [03:09] it seems like the profile color settings are overwriting the PS1 [03:09] Shmam: if there were colors you saw in konsole that aren't working in terminator or regular gnome terminal, then those are not standard PS1 settings and you shouldn't rely on them [03:10] how can I tell if they are standard PS1 settings? I used http://bashrcgenerator.com/ to create it [03:12] Shmam: hold on a moment [03:13] Shmam: what exact color scheme are you trying to achieve? [03:14] Shmam: can you give me 1 example to try out? [03:14] this is the one that I'm currently using: [03:14] PS1="[\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;1m\]\T\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;15m\]] \[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;1m\]\u@\h\[$(tput sgr0)\]\[\033[38;5;15m\] \w\[$(tput sgr0)\]\$(parse_git_branch)\[\033[00m\] $ " [03:14] you also need the parse_git_branch function [03:15] but it should work without it [03:15] I already have it :) [03:15] cool [03:16] Shmam: it's all red. Is that what it's supposed to look like? [03:17] mine doesnt even show the [time] on it [03:17] mine does [03:18] maybe it gets stuck on this in .bashrc "if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then" [03:18] do you have yours in there or just export after that [03:19] I don't have that at all [03:20] PS1="#${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h[\[\033[00m\]\${PIPESTATUS[@]}\[\033[01;37m\]]\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\[\033[33m\]\$(parse_git_branch)\[\033[00m\]\$ " [03:20] That's mine [03:20] weird. My default .bashrc has a case to check for color support: https://pastebin.com/G4tayAHA [03:21] most do Shmam [03:21] so then why doesn't terminator say that it supports color? [03:22] it does [03:23] I've been using terminator for years [03:24] https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkwu51gzr5w01c0/Screenshot%20from%202018-04-13%2023-18-11.png?dl=0 [03:24] there's your prompt [03:24] right I believe you but I'm confused as to why " -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null" is false for terminator but not for the other ones that I've tried [03:25] I dont really know what that line is doing, it was there when I installed ubuntu [03:26] I've got it as well on a default install of ubuntu 16.04 [03:26] it works if I turn on force color prompt [03:26] so idk [03:26] just weird [03:27] https://www.dropbox.com/s/ve102cb8c4mtsed/Screenshot%20from%202018-04-13%2023-24-36.png?dl=0 [03:27] there's my prompt btw [03:27] whats the [0]? [03:28] exit code [03:28] of the last command [03:28] oh thats cool [03:28] you should make the "[" & "]" the same color. Its driving me insane lol [03:29] ha! [03:29] never noticed [03:29] I'll fit it [03:29] also notice the background [03:29] hmm [03:29] I make it semi-transparent so I can watch what goes on in the background [03:29] leftyfb: You can ban from this room [03:29] yeah I made mine transparent too [03:34] leftyfb: You can ban me [03:34] can I make it never show the scrollbar? [03:34] Shmam: now that you pointed that out, it bugged me, but now that I changed it, it bugs me since I notice the difference :) [03:35] Shmam: yup, in the profile. I have mine disabled [03:36] oh cool [03:36] the scrollbar is super ugly lol [03:36] leftyfb: ban me [03:37] ugh I wish there were separate keybindings for split directions (ex add on right or add on left instead of just split vert) [03:38] leftyfb: Just ban me [03:38] Shmam: you know you can rearrange the windows ... or just move to the left or right window and split [03:40] how do you disable a keybinding? [03:40] Shmam: how do you mean? [03:41] some of the keybindings say "disabled" for the binding [03:41] hit ESC on it? [03:41] and I want to remove some of the bindings [03:41] you'd have to read the docs on that one, it's been a while [03:42] ok [03:43] how to change the close button to right? [03:44] pxh: what version of ubuntu? [03:44] 1.6 lts [03:44] here we go again xD [03:44] pxh: try that again pelase [03:45] pxh: try: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout ':minimize,maximize,close' [03:45] ok ,thanks,I will try it again [03:46] ok, i'm out for the night [03:46] good night === Wulf4 is now known as Wulf [03:56] Shmam: Please 23:44 < Shmam> here we go again xD [03:56] That's not funny to me [03:56] what? [03:57] it was just a joke about the versioning conversation that we had a while ago [03:58] !ot | bugzbunny bringing this back up 15 minutes later is unnecessary [03:58] bugzbunny bringing this back up 15 minutes later is unnecessary: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [03:59] whats the recommended way to install atom text editor? [03:59] slidinghorn: Then ban me [04:00] bugzbunny: if I could, you would have been banned a week and a half ago [04:00] slidinghorn: Why was my time [04:01] ok so whats the recommended way to install atom on ubuntu 16.04 [04:01] Personally, you on a power trip [04:01] use a ppa or? [04:01] Shmam: you'll have to find a PPA that offers it, unfortunately\ [04:01] im so scared to use a ppa tho [04:01] I dont want to f up my system [04:02] Shmam: or you could build from source: https://github.com/atom/atom [04:03] Shmam, you already were given an answer... Using a PPA that's not from Canonical/Ubuntu is use at your own risk. Besides, we are literally 2 weeks away from the release of 18.04 [04:03] Shmam, is it that hard to wait? [04:03] will atom be in 18.04? [04:03] im going to wait on tilix [04:03] but atom [04:04] theres no text editor better than atom [04:04] Shmam, that's a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic [04:05] checking if atom will be included in 18.04? [04:05] Shmam: I think you've you got leeway [04:05] that's pretty on topic imo [04:05] Shmam: Yeah, it was [04:06] Shmam: I don't support it, but ##linux might help [04:07] Shmam & bugzbunny pragmatic was talking about discussing which text editor is best...to answer your question, Shmam, I don't see atom in the bionic (18.04) repositories [04:07] Shmam: Go to http://www.kernel.org [04:08] Oh [04:08]