[18:59] <eylul> not sure if we are meeting but I am here
[19:02] <captain-tux_> Hi, somebody here? :)
[19:04] <slidinghorn> I'm here :)
[19:04] <captain-tux_> Hey
[19:06] <eylul> hi
[19:09] <eylul> ErichEickmeyer: we are meeting today right? :)
[19:11] <captain-tux_> He sent out a mail with a couple of points a few hours ago, so I assume he's aware..? ;)
[19:12] <eylul> I assume so? :)
[19:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, sorry!
[19:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Ran late.
[19:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Had to run my wife to Urgent Care, which is where we're at now.
[19:12] <captain-tux_> About that, have there been any other issues with the application selector in ubiquity? I thought that was sorted out?
[19:13] <ErichEickmeyer> captain-tux_: No, I was just wondering if we heard anything.
[19:13] <captain-tux_> Oh, hi.
[19:13] <slidinghorn> ErichEickmeyer: yikes...hope everything's alright
[19:13] <ErichEickmeyer> Hence the item on the agenda.
[19:13] <captain-tux_> Okay
[19:13] <ErichEickmeyer> She's fine, probably strep throat.
[19:13] <ErichEickmeyer> So, I'm getting the agenda in front of me...
[19:14] <eylul> O.O
[19:14] <captain-tux_> Should we postpone this for now?
[19:15] <captain-tux_> I'll be here for the evening anyway (21:00 in Ger), I don't know about you guys.
[19:16] <eylul> yeah same here. i will be around for at least a few more hours, and can be around tomorrow evening too
[19:16] <ErichEickmeyer> The problem is Im not round tomorrow.
[19:16] <ErichEickmeyer> And apparently can't type.
[19:17] <ErichEickmeyer> We're just waiting for test results and what-not, which will take about 15 minutes.
[19:17] <ErichEickmeyer> I know OvenWerks couldn't be here.
[19:18] <eylul> *nods*
[19:18] <captain-tux_> Yep, I've read that as well. 
[19:18] <ErichEickmeyer> Let's just hit what we've got. 
[19:19] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: Love the wallpaper. Any thing else on that? Is it in the repo? And, is it default?
[19:19] <eylul> Len did the upload (after I tried, and.. well tldr failed :) )
[19:19] <ErichEickmeyer> Ugh... I guess we can keep pushing ahead on that.
[19:19] <eylul> but I am not sure if those changes were merged in. 
[19:19] <eylul> not sure who else except ross has access to that
[19:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Set should have access, if not one of us needs that access.
[19:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Looks like Ross is a bit incommunicado for the forseeable future.
[19:20] <eylul> well.. there is a reason why we asked for the help :)
[19:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. That's when I came along. :/
[19:21] <eylul> :)
[19:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, let's move to the next item and keep plugging away on the wallpaper.
[19:21] <eylul> I think some new people should have that access, at least you, or we should have backup people to have access to it
[19:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Already talked about the package selection, have we had any further bug reports? I haven't seen any.
[19:22] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: Agreed. I'll bug Set.
[19:22] <captain-tux_> Me, neither. I haven't tested a more recent ISO, but it worked fine a few days ago.
[19:22] <captain-tux_> Should be fine.
[19:22] <eylul> the way we did this in previous releases were a few people did at least try to test the RC and the release copy before we released it formally. 
[19:22] <eylul> so the question would be figuring out who is around to do that
[19:23] <eylul> ErichEickmeyer:  and captain-tux_ I might be covering stuff you already know here.
[19:23] <ErichEickmeyer> One of us, and since I'm on the release team, I guess that defaults to me. Excuse me while I bench-press that weight on my shoulders.
[19:24] <eylul> :D
[19:24] <ErichEickmeyer> So, we'll call the package selection solved.
[19:24] <ErichEickmeyer> We'll continue exploring DEs.
[19:24] <eylul> I do agree with ross about not touching that this close to release
[19:25] <eylul> we are far past the feature freeze
[19:25] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep.
[19:25] <eylul> I am even hesitant to merge the wallpaper but at least that is easy to test, if we do it by the RC
[19:26] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah.
[19:26] <captain-tux_> eylul, I'll run some tests on all ISOs close to the release, but I can't cover every use-case, of course.
[19:27] <ErichEickmeyer> Do you want to keep plugging-away at getting that wallpaper uploaded and defaulted? I think getting a FFe this close might be problematic.
[19:27] <eylul> its completely up to you guys. it is not something I can help with beyond this point
[19:28] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. Just for the sake of time, I think it would be best to implement that wallpaper for 18.10. Would've been nice to get it in 18.04, but since it's no longer LTS for us, I don't think we should make it priority.
[19:29] <eylul> *nods*
[19:29] <ErichEickmeyer> I think we need to hit 18.10 with a little "shock-and-awe" to get more attention. I plan on talking to a few linux news outlets about new features, etc.
[19:30] <eylul> oh.. if we are going ahead and discussing next cycle I have 2 things to say related to that
[19:30] <eylul> 1) I do.. have a... presence on mastodon and I am using it to signal boost ubuntustudio's existence. but beyond that would we be insterested in having a mastodon account, a formal one?
[19:31] <eylul> it is one thing I can commit to updating since I am on the platform. fediverse (mastodon/friendica/gnusocial etc) is a niche area but a lot of open source people in there
[19:31] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: I'm for it, if mastadon is a good way to get information. Do any of the other flavors (or Ubuntu proper) have one?
[19:31] <eylul> I think kubuntu might have gotten one for a while
[19:32] <eylul> some of the ubuntu community council folk were there
[19:32] <eylul> I know gimp has it, pixls.us's pat davis is there
[19:32] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. It's not a bad idea. We need all the publicity we can get.
[19:32] <eylul> *nods*
[19:33] <eylul> I'll continue promoting ubuntustudio there, and instagram when I get back there :/ but yeah there does seem to be a few users there. plus.. open sourced social media platform :)
[19:33] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. That would be good to at least show we're part of the open source community.
[19:33] <eylul> *nods*
[19:34] <eylul> well. I'll create the account by next meeting. yell at me if I haven't. :)
[19:34] <eylul> 2nd issue is.... we STILL do have very few people. we didn't do recruitment (until that SOS signal that is) as we couldn't mentor people
[19:34] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. :)
[19:35] <eylul> is this something we can, or are interested in tackling?
[19:35] <eylul> by we, of course I mean you guys.. :)
[19:35] <eylul> as I can't really mentor anyone except for wordpress related things, art and design :)
[19:36] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, I'm getting mentorship & help from other flavors. I can't really mentor right now, but I know there are others in other flavors that would fit that role, and I could talk to them about it.
[19:36] <eylul> or if we can't mentor. any clear ideas as to how to get a few more people to sustain this distro
[19:37] <ErichEickmeyer> Involve people from other flavors. Let me put it this way: Alan Pope is stoked that I've been here pushing, and I'm sure he could reference a few people for us.
[19:37] <ErichEickmeyer> My time is running short, so I want to hit as much as possible. I'll ping you both (eylul, captain-tux_) when I'm available again after I'm off.
[19:38] <eylul> alright
[19:38] <captain-tux_> Sure
[19:38] <ErichEickmeyer> And that time has come. We'll pick-up in about 60-90 minutes. Will you both be around then?
[19:39] <eylul> I should be
[19:39] <ErichEickmeyer> Oops,, gotta go. Bye!
[19:39] <captain-tux_> Yes
[19:39] <eylul> bye
[19:39] <eylul> I'll be semi afk. captain-tux_ unless there is something you want to discuss / do while we wait?
[19:40] <captain-tux_> Not really, I'll also have a look at Mastodon, I haven't checked it out, yet. ;)
[19:41] <eylul> :)
[19:41] <slidinghorn> while we're not in "official meeting mode" - I have time to give, however, I'd require a good bit of hand-holding, as I don't know how to do much at this point.  I think the "bringing in mentors" idea would be helpful for folks like myself :)
[19:41] <eylul> slidinghorn, lack of mentorship has been an issue for a while now
[19:41] <eylul> I joined in originally hoping to learn packaging
[19:42] <slidinghorn> same here eylul 
[19:42] <eylul> but yeah.
[19:44] <eylul> slidinghorn, I assume the first part we will need your help at will be during the testing of RC candidate
[19:44] <eylul> release candidate*
[19:44] <eylul> and the release
[19:44] <slidinghorn> I'm running the beta right now, actually
[19:44] <eylul> *nods*
[19:45] <eylul> ok so: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:45] <eylul> is where we keep track of testing
[19:46] <eylul> right now there is the beta 2, daily, the release candidate will be there when it is up
[19:46] <eylul> and we will have a couple of days to do the checks for ubuntustudio and mark the release candidate as.. well ready to release
[19:47] <eylul> then we will do the same thing for the actual release
[19:47] <eylul> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/170302/testcases
[19:47] <eylul> this is what the test looks like.. 
[19:48] <eylul> if you run into any bugs, you create the bugs in appropriate places, then link them at the release (or link to existing bugs. some non-critical bugs have been there for a while :) )
[19:50] <eylul> feel free to ask any questions :)
[19:53] <captain-tux_> I'm looking for a video on Youtube on testing that's short and was a really great overview for me, but it's pretty simple. Log in, click on the build or download info in eylul's link and simply install/run it and test as much as possible.
[19:54] <captain-tux_> It's actually quite fun to go nuts with the system and just run multiple tasks at a time to break stuff (I usually use an extrnal hard drive for the installation and unplug my main drive).
[19:56] <eylul> :)
[19:57] <eylul> this reminds me, I need to sooner than later clean my old laptop for testing and development (that way I can stop tempting the fates with trying to dual boot the current one with an test partition)
[19:59] <captain-tux_> Yeah, I haven't been that brave so far. ;)
[20:01] <captain-tux_> eylul, maybe we could make your wallpaper available on the website for people to add themselves, if they want to install 18.04?
[20:01] <eylul> we could
[20:01] <eylul> or we could simply wait for 18.10
[20:01] <eylul> :)
[20:01] <eylul> assuming it didn't make it to daily builds that is
[20:47] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul, captain-tux_, slidinghorn: I'm back.
[20:47] <slidinghorn> welcome back
[20:47] <eylul> welcome back. is everything alright?
[20:47] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, wife does not have strep.
[20:47] <ErichEickmeyer> Just laryngitis.
[20:47] <eylul> well that's good
[20:47] <eylul> ...relatively that is
[20:47] <ErichEickmeyer> Either way, she had been exposed, so she needed to be checked.
[20:49] <eylul> :(
[20:49] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, back to where we were: my idea was to involve people from other flavors until we got enough experience to mentor others. In many ways, with the current crew, we are having to reboot Ubuntu Studio as a flavor. Luckily, we are already an official flavor, so at least we have that going for us.
[20:49] <eylul> *nods*
[20:50] <ErichEickmeyer> Which is why my ideas have been, for 18.10, more revolutionary than evolutionary. The idea is to tell the world, "Hey, we're still here, and we've got something to say."
[20:50] <slidinghorn> Yeah, I'd mentioned after you left that I'd need a good bit of hand-holding, so mentors would be nice if possible to get them
[20:50] <ErichEickmeyer> slidinghorn: Yeah, I saw that. I'll be asking around.
[20:51] <eylul> doing so at 18.10 is also timely 
[20:51] <eylul> because it also gives us 3 release cycles
[20:51] <eylul> to add new things that can be polished
[20:52] <ErichEickmeyer> Set and Ross clearly have their hands full, so it's up to us to get the resources we need to keep the future of Ubuntu Studio alive.
[20:52] <eylul> there will also be times I am away, one of the reasons we initially discussed the council idea is because it is very hard for 1 person to be there all the time
[20:54] <ErichEickmeyer> Agreed, eylul. I feel as though, due to involvement, the council consists of myself, you, OvenWerks, and perhaps krytarik. It wouild be nice to make it official.
[20:55] <ErichEickmeyer> Probably would need approval from sakrecoer.
[20:55] <eylul> *nods*
[20:55] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, back to the agenda.
[20:55] <eylul> yes sorry :D
[20:55] <ErichEickmeyer> hehe
[20:56] <eylul> captain-tux_ as well 
[20:56] <eylul> btw
[20:57] <ErichEickmeyer> What's funny about that is I meant to list him but my brain didn't get that info to my fingers.
[20:57] <eylul> :D it happens. alright back to agenda as you said
[20:57] <eylul> :)
[20:57] <ErichEickmeyer> I think we can table the move from ubuntustudio-installer to ubuntu-mate-welcome for now, but keep it in the agenda for next time. Not much to discuss there.
[20:58] <eylul> *nods*
[20:59] <ErichEickmeyer> On to new business, I have, after getting feedback in the ML, advised jbicha not to move Gimp 2.10 from debian experimental to 18.04 since it would break MyPaint's ability to be installed simultaneously, therefore breaking workflows.
[20:59] <eylul> we definitely need to not do that for 18.04.
[20:59] <eylul> as for 18.10 I'd argue we need to test what snap is able to do. 
[21:00] <ErichEickmeyer> Further info can be found in bug 1759625
[21:00] <ErichEickmeyer> Good bot.
[21:00] <eylul> :)
[21:00] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: Agreed. I'll try to get into contact with Popey on that one.
[21:01] <eylul> *is still hoping 1.3.0 will show up before 18.10 release and that this will become a non-issue
[21:01] <ErichEickmeyer> Agreed. That'd make it a no-brainer.
[21:02] <ErichEickmeyer> Next: manpower: I've already let the powers-that-be in #ubuntu-release know that 18.04 needs to be a non-LTS this cycle based on feedback from the ML.
[21:02] <ErichEickmeyer> Thoughts?
[21:02] <eylul> not much
[21:02] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. It's sad, but true.
[21:03] <eylul> I like your description of rebooting the distro
[21:03] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. Kinda needs to happen. Stagnated too long.
[21:03] <eylul> and we could frame it as such on our posts
[21:03] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep. That'd get attention, for sure. That, along with the website revamp, would get some attention.
[21:03] <ErichEickmeyer> Still working on that?
[21:03] <eylul> I did find the new images.
[21:04] <eylul> new being from 2016 |:D
[21:04] <ErichEickmeyer> Sweeeeeet. Think we can roll it out by the 26th?
[21:04] <eylul> uh dear
[21:04] <eylul> probably not
[21:04] <captain-tux_> If you need some help, tell me. I've also got experiences with web-design (at least simple HTML/CSS/JS stuff) and Wordpress.
[21:04] <ErichEickmeyer> Let's just try to get it as close as possible to the opening of the 18.10 repos then. That'd be decent timing for a big announcement.
[21:04] <eylul> basically last time we got stuck trying to get our theme moved to live
[21:05] <eylul> we were trying to add some flexibility
[21:05] <eylul> to change images later etc
[21:05] <eylul> and.. well
[21:05] <eylul> it got complicated
[21:05] <eylul> I need to look in there (or somebody else do)
[21:05] <slidinghorn> I can also possibly help with the website
[21:06] <eylul> figure out how to simplify the theme into a proper childtheme, and talk to IT. talking to IT side requires the lead
[21:06] <eylul> or officiating the council
[21:06] <eylul> this is where things kept getting stuck
[21:06] <ErichEickmeyer> Hmm... captain-tux_, slidinghorn: If you can, ask join the Ubuntu Studio web team on Launchpad. This needs some priority.
[21:06] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, then let's do this: I'm going to list the names of those proposed to be the council in a ML email. If Set gives it the approval and gives us next steps, we'll go from there.
[21:06] <captain-tux_> Alright.
[21:06] <eylul> alright
[21:07] <slidinghorn> ErichEickmeyer: I just put in a request
[21:07] <ErichEickmeyer> slidinghorn: Thanks!
[21:08] <eylul> ok it looks like the admin of that website group is core team
[21:08] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay. Next item: We've already talked about Ross missing this release, and I stepped-in to try to fill those shoes to the best of my ability. I've also enlisted the help of Simon Quigley, so we've got that going for us.
[21:08] <eylul> and only len and set are on it
[21:08] <eylul> another thing to fix. just saying it to note this
[21:09] <eylul> when is the RC release and actual release?
[21:09] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, I'm going to be reading back through everything we discussed to create meeting notes. Due to the circumstances, I haven't been doing it as we go.
[21:09] <ErichEickmeyer> RC is the 19th, Release is 26th.
[21:09] <eylul> ..
[21:09] <ErichEickmeyer> So, <1 week to RC.
[21:09] <eylul> we don't have an RC candidate yet on ISO test.
[21:10] <slidinghorn> are there any lists I should subscribe to other than the -devel one?
[21:10] <ErichEickmeyer> All we have is Beta 2 and the dailies. We'll probably snapshot a daily.
[21:10] <ErichEickmeyer> slidinghorn: Perhaps ubuntustudio-user.
[21:11] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, I'll be getting with Simon on how to get the RC candidate on ISO test.
[21:11] <eylul> I think it didn't happen for any of the flavors..
[21:11] <slidinghorn> done
[21:12] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: In that case, it's probably a matter of putting the latest daily out there and making it the RC.
[21:12] <eylul> but it would be good to double check if there is anything that needs to be done from our end. ross was handling that coordination in past
[21:12] <eylul> probably
[21:12] <eylul> also we should start thinking release notes
[21:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. I'll see if he can at least email me what needs to be done.
[21:12] <eylul> *nods*
[21:12] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. A lot of the release notes can be compiled from what we've discussed in the past few weeks.
[21:13] <eylul> yep
[21:13] <slidinghorn> I knw that there was a noveau bug I encountered, but pretty sure that's ubuntu-wide and not just studio - bug 1762360
[21:13] <eylul> *nods*
[21:13] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh yeah, that's definitely being tracked by mainline.
[21:14] <ErichEickmeyer> That's a show-stopper, for sure.
[21:14] <ErichEickmeyer> I doubt anyone will let that go unfixed.
[21:14] <eylul> that might also account for lack of RC
[21:14] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh, easily. It'd leave NVidia users out in the cold.
[21:14] <eylul> which is a lot of people :)
[21:15] <slidinghorn> you mean I found an important one?  I kinda feel special
[21:15] <eylul> (btw off topic erich but after we are done, I can tell you about the meeting recording bot)
[21:15] <eylul> (I do have my notes still from when i was running the meetings)
[21:16] <ErichEickmeyer> slidinghorn: That's easily important. If it's causing an X failure, then it's affecting every DE/WM that uses X, therefore all flavors.
[21:16] <ErichEickmeyer> eylul: Absolutely. I might have to jet, so feel free to email me.
[21:16] <eylul> or that.
[21:17] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, I've got nothing further unless someone else does. Just to let you know, we've had a number of naysayers hitting us, saying the Ubuntu Counil won't let us do some of our ideas, based on information from 5 years ago (and some burnt bridges). Let's prove them wrong.
[21:18] <eylul> o.O?
[21:18] <eylul> huh?
[21:18] <ErichEickmeyer> Like that ubuntu-mate-welcome isn't allowed and the only reason it's still there is because it was there before it was an official flavor.
[21:18] <captain-tux_> *playing an orchestral soundtrack* ;)
[21:19] <eylul> then we try, and if they say no then we evaluate again
[21:19] <eylul> and in that particular case advocate for it
[21:19] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep. No sense in not trying. I know that if it wasn't allowed, Wimpress wouldn't be doing it.
[21:20] <ErichEickmeyer> What I'm saying is, let's prove the haters wrong and... MUSGA?
[21:20] <eylul> I have no idea what that means. 
[21:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Make Ubuntu Studio Great Again
[21:20] <ErichEickmeyer> ...
[21:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Bad joke.
[21:20] <ErichEickmeyer> I know.
[21:20] <captain-tux_> Oh crap, I'll have to look it up as well. :D
[21:20] <eylul> :D
[21:20] <slidinghorn> nice.
[21:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, that's it for the meeting unless anyone else has something.
[21:21] <captain-tux_> Maybe a little controversial point in time, but appreciated. :)
[21:21] <captain-tux_> No
[21:21] <ErichEickmeyer> captain-tux_: Indeed.
[21:21] <slidinghorn> Well, I'll be around, so if there's anything I can do to assist, please hit me up...here or by email if I don't respond 
[21:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Cool. Thanks for coming, slidinghorn!
[21:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Your help is very much appreciated.
[21:22] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, then let's officially close the meeting. I'lll get notes out as soon as I can. :)
[21:22] <eylul> alright sounds good
[21:22] <Wimpress> What did I do? 
[21:22] <eylul> AHAHAHAHA
[21:22] <ErichEickmeyer> AHAHAHAA!
[21:22] <ErichEickmeyer> Wimpress: If you are the same Martin Wimpress...
[21:22] <ErichEickmeyer> you've done a lot. :D :D
[21:22] <Wimpress> It is I
[21:23] <eylul> its nothing bad. we were talking about the ubuntu-mate-welcome
[21:23] <ErichEickmeyer> We're considering adopting ubuntu-mate-weldome for Ubuntu Studio.
[21:23] <ErichEickmeyer> I was going to talk to you about how to go about doing that. But, that can wait. I've gotta get to work relatively soon.
[21:24] <ErichEickmeyer> By work I mean my regular job.
[21:24] <Wimpress> Ubuntu Budgie forked it as Ubuntu Budgie Welcome too. 
[21:24] <Wimpress> It's all a bit of mess right now. 
[21:25] <Wimpress> Should improve midway through the 18.10 cycle. 
[21:25] <ErichEickmeyer> Wimpress: Good to hear. I'd love to chat with you about it sometime in Mumble, if you wouldn't mind.
[21:26] <ErichEickmeyer> We've all been brainstorming a bunch of ideas to basically "reboot" Ubuntu Studio as a distro/flavor, and creating ubuntu-studio-welcome would be part of that.
[21:26] <ErichEickmeyer> Our goal would be to make that happen by 18.10.
[21:28] <ErichEickmeyer> The big thing, Wimpress, is that we are in a bit of a directional transition with those that have led the project for a long time no longer have time. So a handful of us have stepped-up. It's a good time.
[21:28] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyhow, off to work with me. Night, all!
[21:28] <eylul> gnight
[21:28]  * ErichEickmeyer switches to lurk mode
[21:29] <captain-tux_> See you around.